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eniskerry
Aug. 13, 2011, 09:01 AM
I was woken up about 3.30am this morning to the strangest sound. Sounded almost like a crow "caw," but higher pitched. Extremely loud and pretty frequent, so when it didn't stop after a minute or so I got out of bed to check it out. It was dark so I didn't get a great look, but it was an animal of some sort, not a bird. About the size of a medium-sized dog, with a slender body, legs that were long in proportion to its body, and large pointed ears. I do have red fox on my property, but this was taller than any fox I've seen before. When I started to walk toward it, it ran off and was very quick/agile. From the way it moved, I don't think it was just a stray dog (plus the noise was not something I've ever heard from a dog). Several of the horses were definitely on edge this morning too, so I'm not sure if it was near the barn area at some point and got them stirred up. Any thoughts??

Tamara in TN
Aug. 13, 2011, 09:02 AM
coyote



Tamara

tasia
Aug. 13, 2011, 09:48 AM
Chupacabra:D Probably a coyote. I would keep cats and small dogs inside if it is a coyote. We found out the hard way:(

Petstorejunkie
Aug. 13, 2011, 09:57 AM
time to buy a gun and learn how to use it. they will kill your pets for sport, and large numbers will attack horses.
I have a horse that is blind in one eye from coyotes

Sipsi
Aug. 13, 2011, 09:58 AM
Coyote. When we lived in Cypress (north of Houston), I had to chase a coyote down that stole a halter from the barn. Honest, it really wasn't *that* dirty...

Out here where we live now, we have oodles of coyotes. When they really get going, they have a constant "yip" sound. And definitely keep small animals inside!

chism
Aug. 13, 2011, 10:16 AM
Coyote. When we lived in Cypress (north of Houston), I had to chase a coyote down that stole a halter from the barn. Honest, it really wasn't *that* dirty...



We have coyotes here in my backyard in Central Mass, I see them frequently and before I wised up, I lost several cats. A couple years ago I was wearing my favorite pair of nice leather sandals, when I had to catch one of my cats at dusk to get him in the house. I kicked them off together in one spot to better catch the cat, caught him in the backyard and went in the backdoor completely forgetting about the sandals. The next morning there was only one of them, and I never found its' match. I'm convinced a coyote carried the other one off.

eniskerry
Aug. 13, 2011, 11:07 AM
Sigh. I was hoping that wasn't the case. I have heard groups of coyotes howling before some distance from my property, but I've never seen one up close and I've never heard them make this noise before. My dogs are house dogs, but I do have a barn cat and the horses are all turned out at night right now due to the heat, including a young foal. Hopefully this guy was just exploring and won't decide to make my place a regular haunt.

deltawave
Aug. 13, 2011, 11:14 AM
Chupacabra:D

:lol:

They (coyotes) visit us from time to time and have yet to wreak any havoc. :) Foals, chickens, cats, dog, child . . . all present and accounted for. I wouldn't worry too much about a single, random visitor.

Foxtrot's
Aug. 13, 2011, 11:59 AM
Don't be too hasty with the 'get a gun and shoot it' attitude; we have lots of them here. They are shy, small and do not hunt in packs. They will take sheep/lambs, but everybody takes them in at night. Our cats that live in the barn seem to have their safety routes organized IF one were to come hunting.

I'd be more afraid of coy-dogs who may be less shy and run in packs. I actually love the coyotes' night time singing, especially when an emergency vehicle with its sirens on or the train whistle sets them off. We can kind of judge how the coyote population is doing by the amount of bunnies hopping around.

Living in the country with all its pleasures, including wildlife, we try to have a balance of tolerance with all things country.

S1969
Aug. 13, 2011, 12:04 PM
Don't be too hasty with the 'get a gun and shoot it' attitude; we have lots of them here. They are shy, small and do not hunt in packs. They will take sheep/lambs, but everybody takes them in at night. Our cats that live in the barn seem to have their safety routes organized IF one were to come hunting.

I'd be more afraid of coy-dogs who may be less shy and run in packs. I actually love the coyotes' night time singing, especially when an emergency vehicle with its sirens on or the train whistle sets them off. We can kind of judge how the coyote population is doing by the amount of bunnies hopping around.

Living in the country with all its pleasures, including wildlife, we try to have a balance of tolerance with all things country.

I agree with this. We have lots of coyotes. I have not heard of them hunting pets for sport or even taking on feral cats. I wouldn't encourage them to come within feet of my house, but they are often just off the edge of my property and I don't consider them a danger (for my dogs, cats, kids or horses).

They certainly work to keep the mouse & rabbit population down, and I'm not too upset about that. :)

poniesinthenight
Aug. 13, 2011, 01:32 PM
Buy an Akbash dog, they are super good at livestock guarding. We have two on the farm, they look after everything, horses, sheep, cows, not agressive to humans but deadly to intruding critters.

Frank B
Aug. 13, 2011, 04:42 PM
Good excuse to get a donkey -- or two!

Murphy's Mom
Aug. 13, 2011, 05:28 PM
They are shy, small and do not hunt in packs.
They pack up around here. They will also come right up to my front porch. Got three of my chickens two weeks ago. Tried to get the rest last night. Have lost numerous cats and poultry to them over the years. Got the neighbor's full grown dalmation and dragged it off to the den (at least a half mile). They followed the blood trail from the house to the den. Another neighbor lost his JRT to them. Definitely coyotes and not coy-dogs.

My neighbor's have a livestock guardian dog and she usually keeps them away but I haven't seen the dog in weeks so I'm wondering if she died. So far they have left the minis and goats alone but I'm keeping the bottle baby Boers in the barn at night until they are bigger.

Rudy
Aug. 13, 2011, 05:31 PM
Coyotes are generally harmless unless you are a small animal. They will hunt in packs BUT do use an ambush type hunt. One coyote goes out and either lures something towards the pack or chases it that direction and then the pack will try to surround the prey.

They are usually very timid and shy animals and much smaller than people realize. Some may look huge but most weigh in under 35lbs. The dangerous ones are the coy-dogs.

I go with the philosophy that if it isn't bothering anything, let it live. Then again I have had to take care of more coyotes than I care to for gun shot wounds from people trying to shoot them simply because they are a coyote. Painful surgery, lots of rehab time, and eventual release. They have just as much right to be on the land as any person. :)

Jumpin_Horses
Aug. 13, 2011, 05:40 PM
if it was making a high pitched... kind of...

eeeooww, eeeeoooww

it was probably a fox, and those are beneficial

here is some audio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6NuhlibHsM&feature=related

My3Sons
Aug. 13, 2011, 05:44 PM
I'm thinking a Fox..they make the higher pitch yelling kind of sound...the Coyotes howl more and yip in a pack..
There's a Fox by my house and when it see the inside critters it makes that 'yelling' sound...
Either way, be careful. I had a Coyote take my dog & kill her within 25 feet from it...the Coyote can be calculated!

happymom
Aug. 13, 2011, 06:05 PM
OK, so how do I get my dogs to calm down now that I played the YouTube sound effects??????? :eek:

eniskerry
Aug. 13, 2011, 06:07 PM
if it was making a high pitched... kind of...

eeeooww, eeeeoooww

it was probably a fox, and those are beneficial

here is some audio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6NuhlibHsM&feature=related

Wow, that was it!! The "alarm bark" in the clip was just what I heard. And I've definitely seen fox running around on my property before. This seemed a little taller than the other fox I've seen, but it did seem much smaller than what I would have expected of a coyote, and when it ran off it moved more like a fox. I just had no idea that fox made noises like that - very interesting.

Even if it was a coyote, I wasn't planning to start a nightly hunting expedition - I also feel like as long as it doesn't bother me, I won't bother it. But I do feel like it's a lot less likely that a fox will start bothering me (and my animals) than a coyote! :)

JSwan
Aug. 13, 2011, 07:04 PM
OK, so how do I get my dogs to calm down now that I played the YouTube sound effects??????? :eek:


Oh, but that's part of the fun!!!!!:lol::lol:

When I play a fox call on my computer the dogs about soil themselves in a race to get out of the house. This is my revenge on them for getting muddy and coming into the house to shake it off on my freshly painted walls. Heh heh heh...

I'm a live and let live sort of person, so don't kill wildlife unless it is posing a direct threat to my pets or livestock. But I do have a coyote at the taxidermist and he should be back in October sometime.

Coyotes do pack up and take down livestock around here. Since he is a larger predator, if you have a healthy fox population it may decrease a little, or a lot depending on how many coyotes move in. If you have pure coyotes, they will tend to act like coyote. If you have coy dogs or coy wolves......their behavior is more unpredictable. And therefore more dangerous.

You might want to read up on coyotes, so that you know a bit more about their biology. A good site will probably be your game dept website, which will have information specific to your state. The state DNR,extension, or other science oriented sites and books might be helpful too.

They are amazing animals. Hopefully you can co exist with them, and if one animal poses a problem, use nonlethal or lethal measures to deal with that problem animal.

Cruiser12
Aug. 13, 2011, 07:29 PM
OK, my dogs are confused LOL!

foggybok
Aug. 13, 2011, 07:41 PM
Chupacabra:D Probably a coyote. I would keep cats and small dogs inside if it is a coyote. We found out the hard way:(

hs ha that's what I was going to say. I am sure it was a Chupacabra! :)


Sorry about your pets and the coyote,,,,,

PRS
Aug. 13, 2011, 08:46 PM
if it was making a high pitched... kind of...

eeeooww, eeeeoooww

it was probably a fox, and those are beneficial

here is some audio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6NuhlibHsM&feature=related

Beneficial?? To whom? My chickens beg to differ. The only thing I'd be able to say a fox is benficial for is to himself for helping himself to a free chicken dinner every now and then.

paulaedwina
Aug. 13, 2011, 09:27 PM
That fox video was very cool. My old ridgeback was unmoved, but one of my cats was absolutely fascinated!

Paula

tasia
Aug. 13, 2011, 10:55 PM
hs ha that's what I was going to say. I am sure it was a Chupacabra! :)


Sorry about your pets and the coyote,,,,,

Thanks. We tried having barn cats. Thought they were running away. Neighbors said they saw the coyotes taking their cats:( So now all cats are indoor and we don't let the dogs out unless we are with them.

I've invested in the rat zapper with Jack Russell back up for the barn.

Rabtfarm
Aug. 14, 2011, 07:18 AM
I spent the afternoon rakeing the back hayfield with a coyote who was finding and eating all the field moles and mice the mower had killed. He was totally fearless of me and my tractor, sometimes as close as 10-15 feet. When they have a Pow-wow, it is fairly scary..the howling and yipping is quite loud and unnerving. So far all of chickens(2) have died of "natural" causes in the coop rather than as fox or coyote food. The cats: well, we did lose one and we never saw him again.

49'er
Aug. 14, 2011, 08:49 AM
The sound video was interesting for my indoor cats. The Bengal took off to hide and the tabby just thought it was something different tho he did take off to lie in his chair and be alert.

oliverreed
Aug. 15, 2011, 09:53 AM
If it is indeed a fox, I have seen with my own two eyes a fox chasing and trying HARD to catch a housecat. Only thing that saved the cat was her ability to dive into a place too small for the fox to reach.

We have fox and coyote here in Western Mass and our cats are now all inside cats. Last winter we had coyote tracks right up to our back porch.

Jumpin_Horses
Aug. 15, 2011, 10:33 AM
I have a fox family out here for years, and they have never gone after my barn cats. they go after other varmits. possums, coons, skunks, mice, rats, etc....

the barn cats can probably take the fox anyway. the foxes are actually smaller than the barn cats

RougeEmpire
Aug. 15, 2011, 04:43 PM
Coyotes get blamed for a lot of barn cat killing but people often forget that Owls and Hawks can reak havoc on your barn cat and even "toy" dog population. Ive lost several kittens and small barn cats to owls. Growing up as a kid we were sent out every night to try and round up as many young cats as we could and lock them in the barn or bring them in the house. Coyotes get blamed because we see them more often, but death also comes from above. Just because a faveriout barn cat goes missing don't assume the only thing that could have snatched it was a Coyote =p

expectashun
Aug. 17, 2011, 06:32 PM
I live in Texas and I have lost 5 very savvy barn cats to coyotes. I have had them come up to my back door in the barn, stand by my horse trailer parked in the driveway and stand at a paddock corner by a mare and foal. Sometimes they are a lone coyote but I have had as many as 3 in my front pasture in the broad daylight.
My Aussie goes after them and it scares me because some of them are very large but so far he has scared them off.

Do not be complacent if you have coyotes near your property. BTW, I no longer have barn cats and I don't leave any foals out at night.

tradewind
Aug. 17, 2011, 08:48 PM
Coyotes are very destructive to house dogs, cats etc. I caught a fox attempting to catch one of the barn cats. The only reason the cat lived was because I happened to be going down to the barn very very early one morning and interrupted the fox, who had his jaws on the cat. A very expensive vet bill later, the cat made it. The fox family also destroyed my chicken population. A very expensive new coop directly off the house and a very secure run later, I have chickens again. While I understand the natural order of things, it is very expensive to deal with these creatures and there was a reason that farmers shot and killed them on sight.