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Rollie Pollie
Aug. 7, 2011, 08:06 PM
I need to get a breastplate for Jake but I've seen so many styles I don't really know where to go! I know he doesn't need a 5-point, but what exactly is the difference between those with the bridge and those without? Is one more appropriate for eventing? The reason I ask is because I found a beautiful CWD breastplate that does not have the bridge. Most I've seen, unless they were the elastic type, have the bridge, so I'm just not sure if, even though the CWD is lovely, it's the best purchase. I'd love to hear from some tack gurus :)

whicker
Aug. 7, 2011, 08:44 PM
The Woff likes the old fashioned breastplate that runs straight around the chest back to the girth. It stays level trhough out the jump and keeps the saddle from slipping back. The hunting breastplate attaches high up, by the saddle dees. It will push the points of the tree down into the horse and flip the back of the saddle up.

The 5 point attempts to mix the 2 types. I think it is neither fish nor fowl as it doesn't have the advantages of each. I would like to see a straight around breastplate with 2 straps at rings that can attach higher on the saddle to keep the breastplate hanger from sliding forward when the horse puts his head down.

I worry that elastic inserts will give at the wrong time and the amount of stretch will be variable as the elastic weakens.

I will probably have a prototype made and play with it. It would be easy to just pick up the breastplate straps at a tack shop and tweak it myself.

Rollie Pollie
Aug. 7, 2011, 08:47 PM
Hmmm. The one in question looks like this: http://www.diamondbfarm.com.au/breastplates.html

I think it still attaches to the dees?

wildlifer
Aug. 7, 2011, 09:17 PM
The types like what you have pictured, I don't really find to be very effective for anything other than looking pretty. I use a polo breastcollar and it WORKS. Keeps the saddle in place without restricting motion (mine is elastic, not very expensive, but has held up beautifully over the last couple years). There is a reason you still see a lot of this older style around -- remember, function first, pretty second.

whicker
Aug. 7, 2011, 09:19 PM
Where does it attach? It looks like it is a hunter breastplate, but I'm confused by the extra end pieces.

Rollie Pollie
Aug. 7, 2011, 09:23 PM
The types like what you have pictured, I don't really find to be very effective for anything other than looking pretty. I use a polo breastcollar and it WORKS. Keeps the saddle in place without restricting motion (mine is elastic, not very expensive, but has held up beautifully over the last couple years). There is a reason you still see a lot of this older style around -- remember, function first, pretty second.

The hunter in me is clawing to sneak in.

As long as it works and is nice quality, I don't really care where it's from. The one thing my trainer mentioned is that she doesn't like the elastic jumper breastplates. I had no idea there were so many kinds!

wildlifer
Aug. 8, 2011, 11:16 AM
Hahahahaha! Well, mine is all elastic across the front, which I do like, but you might like the one that Bit of Britain sells. My BO has this one and it's really lovely and a quality piece of tack. It does have some elastic, but it's heavy duty stuff, even more so than what I have and the leather is very nice.

http://www.bitofbritain.com/Nunn_Finer_Jumper_Breastplate_p/0059.htm

As for the one you posted, yes, it would still attach to your dees and to the girth. It just has a running martingale attached to it.

Hilary
Aug. 8, 2011, 11:53 AM
My preference is the hunt breastplate - for one because you can grab the yoke with a finger for security - and doing that also has the effect of slowing many horses down when they get wound up - not sure why, but it works. Also my horses have fit a hunt style nicely and it works on them.

Get dee savers so you can attache to your stirrup bars, or if you get long enough straps you can attach it to the billets. Depends on how it fits the horse.

Rollie Pollie
Aug. 8, 2011, 11:56 AM
My preference is the hunt breastplate - for one because you can grab the yoke with a finger for security - and doing that also has the effect of slowing many horses down when they get wound up - not sure why, but it works. Also my horses have fit a hunt style nicely and it works on them.

Get dee savers so you can attache to your stirrup bars, or if you get long enough straps you can attach it to the billets. Depends on how it fits the horse.

Other than Nunn Finer, do you have any specific brand recommendations?

Thanks for all the advice!

scubed
Aug. 8, 2011, 12:52 PM
I like the amigo I have, no yoke. Also like, but don't love Nunn Finer and have been impressed with paris tack for price. The five star tack one is also really nice.

yellowbritches
Aug. 8, 2011, 01:04 PM
I use something similar to what you linked to for every day on Vernon. It does an adequate job of keeping things in place for every day kind of work, however for REAL xc, big jumping, or lots of terrain (like when I take him on hunt trail rides, etc), I prefer a polo style breastplate (and that's what I use on Toby day in, day out). Those are my choice. Hunting breastplate my second. I tend to think 5 points are redundant and unnecessary, but that's just me. :yes:

purplnurpl
Aug. 8, 2011, 01:43 PM
The types like what you have pictured, I don't really find to be very effective for anything other than looking pretty. I use a polo breastcollar and it WORKS. Keeps the saddle in place without restricting motion (mine is elastic, not very expensive, but has held up beautifully over the last couple years). There is a reason you still see a lot of this older style around -- remember, function first, pretty second.

BAM!!
this is the only kind I will use.

breastplate: old fashioned that attaches to girth via between the front legs, saddle via Ds, and has a bridge.
http://www.theequine.co.uk/users/UserFiles/Image/breastplates/hunting.jpg

breast collar: polo breast collar. attaches to the girth just above the girth billets on your saddle pad. It has a bridge.
http://www.horseoncourse.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=225&currency=USD

I find it a little funny when people fail to use the girth billets for this type of equipment. They end up with the attachments too far down the girth and then it pulls down on the horse's shoulder.
please, use the girth billets!!!!

here is an example. The straps attach above the girth billet to the girth. They need to use the whole girth to work well, not just one strap from a split strap girth.
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p189/xckaboom/drivingrein2.jpg

breast girth: attaches to the Ds. I hate this one extra specailly much.
It has no bridge.
http://www.doversaddlery.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_X1-0903

and then there are the combination equipments such as the 5 point.
Which I hated as well. It was a lot of gingerbread bouncing around on my horse. It was really distracting for me!

I buy the Courbette collars.
NO Elastic.
Elastic is another one of my pet peeves. I find it kills the whole point of the tack.

Fancy That
Aug. 8, 2011, 02:02 PM
I am so glad to see this being discussed!

So many people use breastplates without any real thought to WHY they are using them and HOW COMFORTABLE it is for the horse, and the EFFECT/IMPACT it has.

I only believe in one style of breastgirth, and it is the one shown on Bit of Brittain, also known as a Polo Breastcollar, Breastgirth, and Jumper Breastplate.

BUT - I only believe in using it at the GIRTH and WITH a neck strap/wither strap/bridge.

Purple...question for you. Why would you hate this one? This is the exact same style you like - you just have to have the WITHER STRAP (usually sold seperately) You can attach this one to the girth, the way you like, and add your wither/neck strap and it is perfect:

"breast girth: attaches to the Ds. I hate this one extra specailly much.
It has no bridge.
http://www.doversaddlery.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_X1-0903

"

I don't even use any kind of breastplate unless it is absolutely neccessary. If you are jumping HUGE jumps and your saddle slips, then by all means, use one :)

I normally don't use one at all - but I do have this one for schooling XC, if I go above BN/N level....


BAM!!
this is the only kind I will use.

breastplate: old fashioned that attaches to girth via between the front legs, saddle via Ds, and has a bridge.
http://www.theequine.co.uk/users/UserFiles/Image/breastplates/hunting.jpg

breast collar: polo breast collar. attaches to the girth just above the girth billets on your saddle pad. It has a bridge.
http://www.horseoncourse.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=225&currency=USD

I find it a little funny when people fail to use the girth billets for this type of equipment. They end up with the attachments too far down the girth and then it pulls down on the horse's shoulder.
please, use the girth billets!!!!

here is an example. The straps attach above the girth billet to the girth. They need to use the whole girth to work well, not just one strap from a split strap girth.
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p189/xckaboom/drivingrein2.jpg

breast girth: attaches to the Ds. I hate this one extra specailly much.
It has no bridge.
http://www.doversaddlery.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_X1-0903

and then there are the combination equipments such as the 5 point.
Which I hated as well. It was a lot of gingerbread bouncing around on my horse. It was really distracting for me!

I buy the Courbette collars.
NO Elastic.
Elastic is another one of my pet peeves. I find it kills the whole point of the tack.

Rollie Pollie
Aug. 8, 2011, 02:04 PM
Purplnurpl: Thanks so much! That really helps to clarify... I had no clue how much variety was out there!

Fancy That: Are there any stores other than Bit of Britain that you would recommend?

WW_Queen
Aug. 8, 2011, 02:08 PM
I have been doing lots of hillwork lately, and figured I would treat myself to a new polo-style breastplate (I have one with the yoke). I looked and looked... so far I think this one is going to be "the one". I love how it's simple but has useful features (detachable martingale, saddle support from the girth and not the D's):

http://tiny.cc/cwdbreastplate

Now... where to buy it for the "cheapest" price. ;)

It may actually be cheaper to have a local saddler "custom" make it! I would probably have a short section elastic built in around the chest.

BarbB
Aug. 8, 2011, 02:12 PM
I use the hunt style breastplate, but I only need it to hang a martingale on. If I was jumping anything big enough that a breastplate would be useful I would use the polo style. I don't expect mine to actually help hold the saddle in place.

Fancy That
Aug. 8, 2011, 02:24 PM
Why don't you just get this one? It's only $100
http://www.bitofbritain.com/Nunn_Finer_Jumper_Breastplate_p/0059.htm

Or do you need a Running Martingale, too?

(that's a whole nother subject for me. i don't believe in those/don't think they "do" anything :) heheheheheheee! I know, I go against the grain on that opinion)


I have been doing lots of hillwork lately, and figured I would treat myself to a new polo-style breastplate (I have one with the yoke). I looked and looked... so far I think this one is going to be "the one". I love how it's simple but has useful features (detachable martingale, saddle support from the girth and not the D's):

http://tiny.cc/cwdbreastplate

Now... where to buy it for the "cheapest" price. ;)

It may actually be cheaper to have a local saddler "custom" make it! I would probably have a short section elastic built in around the chest.

WW_Queen
Aug. 8, 2011, 02:36 PM
Why don't you just get this one? It's only $100
http://www.bitofbritain.com/Nunn_Finer_Jumper_Breastplate_p/0059.htm

Or do you need a Running Martingale, too?

So funny you should post that one! I actually bought it... then returned it because it didn't fit. Even on the longest holes I couldn't get it to reach the girth!

Rollie Pollie
Aug. 8, 2011, 02:48 PM
I have been doing lots of hillwork lately, and figured I would treat myself to a new polo-style breastplate (I have one with the yoke). I looked and looked... so far I think this one is going to be "the one". I love how it's simple but has useful features (detachable martingale, saddle support from the girth and not the D's):

http://tiny.cc/cwdbreastplate

Now... where to buy it for the "cheapest" price. ;)

It may actually be cheaper to have a local saddler "custom" make it! I would probably have a short section elastic built in around the chest.


I want to show that one to Bartville and see if they can make it!

Fancy That
Aug. 8, 2011, 03:42 PM
Purplnurpl: Thanks so much! That really helps to clarify... I had no clue how much variety was out there!

Fancy That: Are there any stores other than Bit of Britain that you would recommend?

I think if you google Jumper Breastgirth, you can find lots. Nunn FIner has one, which means Bartville makes it - so you can get it cheaper via Bartville.

You normally have to buy the wither strap seperately, and the best place for that is Bartville. Only $17 (whereas Nunn Finer charges $32. Bartville makes it for them :)

SecondInCommand
Aug. 8, 2011, 03:54 PM
I'm also on the hunt for a new breastplate/collar/etc right now, and am torn about types, so this thread is very timely for me!

I don't have much experience with breastcollars, but I feel like often times when I see them, they don't fit. They seem to be up in the horse's wind. Even in the above-referenced Nunn Finer link, it seems to be encroaching on the horse's wind a bit, and I'd imagine that would only increase as the horse stretches down galloping. Am I seeing this wrong?

Does the five point not offer the best of both the breastcollar and breastplate worlds? So many options... :confused:

purplnurpl
Aug. 8, 2011, 04:10 PM
I am so glad to see this being discussed!

So many people use breastplates without any real thought to WHY they are using them and HOW COMFORTABLE it is for the horse, and the EFFECT/IMPACT it has.

I only believe in one style of breastgirth, and it is the one shown on Bit of Brittain, also known as a Polo Breastcollar, Breastgirth, and Jumper Breastplate.

BUT - I only believe in using it at the GIRTH and WITH a neck strap/wither strap/bridge.

Purple...question for you. Why would you hate this one? This is the exact same style you like - you just have to have the WITHER STRAP (usually sold seperately) You can attach this one to the girth, the way you like, and add your wither/neck strap and it is perfect:

"breast girth: attaches to the Ds. I hate this one extra specailly much.
It has no bridge.
http://www.doversaddlery.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_X1-0903

"

I don't even use any kind of breastplate unless it is absolutely neccessary. If you are jumping HUGE jumps and your saddle slips, then by all means, use one :)

I normally don't use one at all - but I do have this one for schooling XC, if I go above BN/N level....

breat girth attaches to Ds, not girth billets.
I believe it rides up on the horses neck like a wedgie. Think about how hard it would cut into a horse who jumps with dramatic bascule over a fence...

used with a bridge it puts pressure on the chest in a different way...and does not pull up on the neck.

purplnurpl
Aug. 8, 2011, 04:12 PM
Why don't you just get this one? It's only $100
http://www.bitofbritain.com/Nunn_Finer_Jumper_Breastplate_p/0059.htm

Or do you need a Running Martingale, too?

(that's a whole nother subject for me. i don't believe in those/don't think they "do" anything :) heheheheheheee! I know, I go against the grain on that opinion)

make sure you buy the detachable neck strap otherwise it's just another breastgirth...instead of a breastcollar.

purplnurpl
Aug. 8, 2011, 04:16 PM
collar:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WMLJW9X6BqU/TCD54tkQ7XI/AAAAAAAALCg/RyCk06QuQLA/s400/SABRE%2520ELASTICATED%2520BREAST%2520GIRTH.bmp

girth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cadre_Noir_dsc03639.jpg


a plain breast girth can be converted to a collar by buying the attachement and dropping the connction down from the Ds to the girth billet.

whicker
Aug. 8, 2011, 04:17 PM
You are going to have to carefully fit any polo type breastplate to the horse.

As mentioned, it has to be low enough to not hit the windpipe, high enough to move easily across the chest and point of shoulder and long enough to reach both billets above the saddle pad loop. Another factor is that the hanger on the polo type needs to be close enough to the withers to stay up on them and not slide down the neck when the horse uses his head and neck in a downward motion.

It takes adjustment options on all the elements. If you measure your horse with string before you purchase, you can save yourself some frustration.

I think the Bartville idea is great. Then you can have all the distances be correct and have extra space in adjustment options on both sides. You will have a piece that will work for multiple horses and give you 15 years or so of hard use. (I hunt, too).

Fancy That
Aug. 8, 2011, 06:01 PM
Purple - i'm saying the exact same thing you are. We are using the terms differently.

In my mind there is ONE "thing" called a BREAST GIRTH. You properly use it attached to the GIRTH, and you buy a wither strap to do so.

You do not want to attach it to the D rings.

I have never thought of a BREAST GIRTH versus a BREAST COLLAR the way you are defining them.

It is the same "item" - just some people erroneously attach it to the D rings, and some people use it with a wither strap and attach it properly to the girth.

I am advocating you attach it to the GIRTH and use it with a WITHER STRAP.

I don't call any of them a Breast Collar :) So this is a symantics-confused-conversation ;)

I call that thing a BREAST GIRTH only. And that is whether you correctly attach it at the GIRTH, with Strap, or ......some people use it at the D Rings with no strap (which I DO NOT CARE FOR :)

Anyhoo - just symantics. We are saying the exact same thing...LOL

In my mind, a Breast Collar is one that attaches to the D rings anyways, more like a Hunting Breastplate....so it is even more confusing!


breat girth attaches to Ds, not girth billets.
I believe it rides up on the horses neck like a wedgie. Think about how hard it would cut into a horse who jumps with dramatic bascule over a fence...

used with a bridge it puts pressure on the chest in a different way...and does not pull up on the neck.

yellowbritches
Aug. 8, 2011, 06:24 PM
collar:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WMLJW9X6BqU/TCD54tkQ7XI/AAAAAAAALCg/RyCk06QuQLA/s400/SABRE%2520ELASTICATED%2520BREAST%2520GIRTH.bmp

girth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cadre_Noir_dsc03639.jpg


a plain breast girth can be converted to a collar by buying the attachement and dropping the connction down from the Ds to the girth billet.
According to this, I use a breast GIRTH on Vernon for every day type stuff but a breast COLLAR for serious jumping, xc, or serious terrain. I use a breast COLLAR on Toby for everything.

And I call them both breastplates. ;)

Fancy That
Aug. 8, 2011, 06:35 PM
Funny - the image that youc all a "Collar", is actually a Breast Girth, and that is what I call it:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WMLJW9X6BqU/TCD54tkQ7XI/AAAAAAAALCg/RyCk06QuQLA/s400/SABRE%2520ELASTICATED%2520BREAST%2520GIRTH.bmp

And in the photo - it is actually labeled correctly as a BREASTH GIRTH :)

I think that is why there is confusion :) The good thing is that we agree on the best useage. I think they are great when properly attached at the girth, with a wither strap.



collar:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WMLJW9X6BqU/TCD54tkQ7XI/AAAAAAAALCg/RyCk06QuQLA/s400/SABRE%2520ELASTICATED%2520BREAST%2520GIRTH.bmp

girth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cadre_Noir_dsc03639.jpg


a plain breast girth can be converted to a collar by buying the attachement and dropping the connction down from the Ds to the girth billet.