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moonriverfarm
Jul. 7, 2011, 12:36 PM
Wild card wish here. My grandfather and Mr Hooper were good friends and that friendship birthed my passion for all things Thoroughbred. My dad took me to the barn at his Alabama farm when I was three and from that point on throughout my life horses have been my hobby, my sport, my sanity saver and my work.
Does anybody know where I might find.buy a memento from the Hooper Farm days? Saddle cloth, winners circle photo, anything with the Circle H? I know this is a way long shot, but I just watched Hoop Jr's 1945 Derby win on youtube and thought COTH would at least be one place to ask. Thanks!

danceronice
Jul. 7, 2011, 01:00 PM
I don't know, but if you find any sources, share? Lucky is out of a Hooper Farms mare, Copenqueen (one of what was probably one of Copelan's last crops) and both she and my old OTTB's dam, Justa Game, are descended from Greek Game and Olympia.

http://www.tbheritage.com/TurfHallmarks/Graves/cem/GraveMattersHooperFarm.html

How lucky your grandpa knew Mr. Hooper! I've had great luck with two horses who resulted from his breeding program and now look for mares with that breeding--those I'd make room for if I could come by them.

moonriverfarm
Jul. 7, 2011, 02:43 PM
Hi Danceronice - yes Mr Hooper bred some nice ones! I have a pic of myself leading Susan's Girl around the property in 1980. When Mr Hooper had his farm in Alabama, and I was three, my dad took me to see the horses and that was my "light bulb moment". The next year when my baby brother was on the way, and someone asked me what I wanted the baby to be, I said "a horse"! I saw on ebay a few years back someone selling some memorabilia from the farm in Ocala...and I wondered why the family didn't get the stuff when Fred died. Me want.

danceronice
Jul. 7, 2011, 05:39 PM
Aw, I'd love to see that picture if you're able to post it anywhere-that's Lucky's "great-grandma."

This is his dam: http://www.equineline.com/Free-5X-Pedigree.cfm?page_state=ORDER_AND_CONFIRM&reference_number=1319929&registry=T&horse_name=Copenqueen&dam_name=Miami Queen&foaling_year=1991&nicking_stats_indicator=Y

She was actually bred by Hooper Farms. I'd love to find a picture of her, too, but haven't seen one.

Dahoss
Jul. 7, 2011, 05:48 PM
I actually worked for Mr Hooper nearly 25 years ago. I can remember one thing he didnt like and that was his horses being led with a shank run through the halter. He only wanted it snapped to the bottom ring of halter only, which of course, made it difficult at times controlling the horses. Time flies by too fast.

moonriverfarm
Jul. 7, 2011, 05:50 PM
Wow Dahoss! Wasn't he a great fellow! I have such memories of the farm here, and feel lucky to have been on the Ocala farm to play with Susan's Girl and see Hoop Jrs grave.

moonriverfarm
Jul. 7, 2011, 05:51 PM
Dancer, PM your email and I will scan and send the pic!

Dahoss
Jul. 7, 2011, 05:58 PM
Yes Moonriver, Mr Hooper was a great man and horsemen. He truly cared deeply about his horses.

danceronice
Jul. 7, 2011, 08:52 PM
PM sent!

Da Hoss, that's funny--one reason I noticed Lucky's picture is he was standing on the backside with the shank just clipped to the bottom ring of his halter. I'll put a shank on him now if he's having one of those days that's more up than forward, but he usually doesn't need it.

moonriverfarm
Jul. 11, 2011, 10:14 AM
Mr Hooper was a HORSEMAN, not just a man who owned horses. And he believed every horse was worthy of respect and kindness. He was a generous, friendly, unpretentious fellow and has been truly missed by friends and the racing community. I wish I could thank him for that visit 50 years ago that marked me for life!

Flying Fox
Jul. 12, 2011, 04:40 AM
http://www.equicross.com/TT_Articles/Fred%20Hooper-TT%203-4-06.pdf

danceronice
Jul. 12, 2011, 11:03 AM
I'll say he liked to inbreed to Olympia--Copenqueen has him four times (Lucky ending up with three in the first five.) I've often wondered what I'd get from her or Lucky's half-sister crossed on a racing QH stallion..

Thanks for the article, Flying Fox!

moonriverfarm
Jul. 12, 2011, 01:08 PM
Thanks Flyingfox!

Piney Woods
Jul. 14, 2011, 01:22 AM
When I was about 13 my Dad bought a QH horse that had been one of Mr. Hooper's lead ponies. The horse was a wonderful buckskin "horse of my dreams" type and we shared many fine hours together. At one point I wanted to know more about Buck's history for a school paper and my dad encouraged me to write to Mr. Hooper. Dad knew him as Mr. Hooper had a huge Herford cattle ranch and Stockyard in Montgomery, Al and we were Angus cattle ranchers. My family sold many cows in that stockyard. Mr. Hooper wrote me the nicest letter with information about how my horse Buck, had traveled all over the country with racehorses and how important a good lead pony was to the success of a racehorse. It was a highlight of my youth.
Fast forward 40+ years and I meet Mr. Hooper at a FTBOA event in Ocala. He said he remembered that letter. Whether he did or not, he was very gracious to act like he did. Wish I still had that letter.

Florida Fan
Jul. 14, 2011, 09:54 AM
In the early 70's I trained some horses bred by him. One was very fast, and won races after he had been brought back from retirement and being bred for 2 years, as his then owner wanted to see him race again. Among his accomplishments was running in both the Quarter Horse handicap at the New Mexico State Fair and 4 days later the Thoroughbred Handicap. His name was Real Petty and he won several races before re-retiring. He sired a few that won stakes races out West. He was either by Olympia or his dam was by Olympia.
Many years later I raced at Calder and was stabled next to Dave Braddy who trained for him. Fred was then into his '90's and often came to the track to watch his horses train. Dave had a lot of horses for him, and I was wondering if he might not have an old saddle towel somewhere?

danceronice
Jul. 14, 2011, 12:07 PM
Given Olympia outsprinted a champion quarter horse himself, I bet it was his or he was the damsire! I would think his descendants would cross really well on Appendix QHs...

Florida Fan
Jul. 16, 2011, 02:06 PM
Danceronice....you are right. Real Petty was by Royal Coinage, who was by Eight Thirty. He was out of Pettypie by Olympia. So he ignited when he ran. It was neat to have "been there" when all these influential sires were in the first generations.
I remember when Ross Fenstermaker trained for Mr Hooper...mainly in Calif. I was stabled at the Albuquerque Fairgrounds waiting for Turf Paradise to open. Ross had 15 or so babies that he was breaking for Hooper, by himself I might add. I had a great ponyhorse at the time, and helped him get them from the roundpen to the racetrack. Talk about some wild tbs! Yea, I'd say Hooper recognizes the value of a good (and tough) saddle horse!

moonriverfarm
Jul. 18, 2011, 12:04 PM
It is sad that none of Mr hoopers grandkids care a whit about the TB. Sad that that dynasty was not carried forward.

Alibhai's Alibar
Jul. 18, 2011, 01:40 PM
Just wanted to pop into this thread and thank you all for sharing these stories and the link. I've really enjoyed reading it all.

Dahoss
Jul. 18, 2011, 05:32 PM
Here's a link to Fred Hooper's obituary and a three page story written by the NY Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/08/05/sports/fred-w-hooper-102-a-leading-owner-and-breeder-in-thoroughbred-racing-dies.html


And link to Hoop Jr Derby win, including video of Fred Hooper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo_BOS0WG0g

Sing Mia Song
Jul. 20, 2011, 09:32 PM
What a great obituary. I, too, own a grandson of the storied Copelan. On the tail-male side, he's a grandson of another famous two-year-old of my youth, Devil's Bag.

Sing Mia Song
Jul. 20, 2011, 09:48 PM
What a great obituary. I, too, own a grandson of the storied Copelan. On the tail-male side, he's a grandson of another famous two-year-old of my youth, Devil's Bag.

moonriverfarm
Jul. 26, 2011, 03:22 PM
I have a Devil's Bag grandson myself. He's quite a character.

Real Rush
Jul. 27, 2011, 04:23 PM
Hello guys, my name is Paige . This is literally the first post I've ever put on here, since I just signed up. I can't believe I found a thread about Fred Hooper while searching for something else entirely. Fred Hooper was my great-uncle, my paternal grandmother's brother. Since no one in my immediate family is horsey (but that was all I wanted ever since I could walk and talk!), it took until I was an adult to finally meet him, even though I knew about him almost my whole life.

Late last year I made a chance connection with a couple who live near me that still breeds and races thoroughbreds, and the Copelan/ Tri Jet/ Crozier bloodlines is one of their favorites. When I finally got over to visit last December, they introduced me to an older mare named Masquerade Maid, by Copelan. And they gave her to me! I couldn't believe I finally had the opportunity to own one of my great uncle's horses that he bred, raised and raced. Since then, I've acquired a 4 yr old unraced filly whose mother is also by Copelan from the same people.

This couple have become very good friends of mine, needless to say. As with a lot of people these days, they're trying to downsize their herd a bit and they have several other broodmares from the Copelan bloodline for sell, if anyone is truly interested in acquiring one. Let me know and I'll be happy to share what info I have. It's so cool to see other people who admired him, it really makes me feel special to be related to him. Dahoss, I read in one of your posts that you worked for him... It would be especially neat to talk to you and hear some stories. Thanks for everyone sharing info about my uncle and his breeding program, and I'd love to learn more.

danceronice
Jul. 27, 2011, 04:52 PM
Hi, Paige! Long shot, but they don't happen to have Copenqueen, do they? Lucky's breeder died and I can't find a record of the mares being auctioned, so either his family has them (FTOB seemed to think that unlikely) or they were privately sold off. She's a 1991 by Copelan out of Miami Queen and I know of, I want to say three foals of hers--Gypsy Jet, Lucky to Cope, and She Sure Can Cope.

This is my horse:

http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/fc_display.cgi?userfile=P12106140144502

And this is my old horse, who (not surprising, given he was a 1985 model) has some of your uncle's horses much closer:

http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/fc_display.cgi?userfile=P12106140141927

Your uncle created some good broodmare lines from where I'm sitting...

moonriverfarm
Jul. 27, 2011, 05:19 PM
realrush, he was a great man and a good friend of my grandfather. So glad to have brought his name up so we could all share our memories!

Heart's Journey
Jul. 28, 2011, 01:48 PM
great thread, enjoyed reading the personal stories, obit, etc thanks for sharing

Real Rush
Jul. 28, 2011, 03:22 PM
I would love to share what little I have about my uncle. One thing I managed to find is an article about Fred's horse Olympia, and his impact on racing bloodlines, especially sprinters. I wish there was some way I could add an attachment on here. aaargh... I have some pictures of the one visit I managed to get at his farm, and he and Wanda gave me and my dad the dime tour. Got to see the immortal Precisionist in his paddock, Hoop Jr.'s gravesite, and a bunch of other stuff. (I can't even begin to descibe his trophy room!!!) I also have a magazine, I think it's from the Florida TOBA, with a big article about Fred for when he turned 100. I'd be happy to scan that and share with anyone interested. I guess it'd have to be by private email. Does anyone know how to share stuff like that on this board? I literally just signed up, so have no clue about all the tricks of the board yet.

Oh, and looking back at my original post, I kinda screwed up when telling how I'm related. He is my great-grandmother's brother (my dad's grand-uncle). My grandfather worked for him doing road construction down in Florida, but originally all our family roots go back to the northeast Georgia area. I'd love to hear more stories, if anyone has any to share!

msei
Jul. 10, 2012, 10:51 PM
I would love to share what little I have about my uncle. One thing I managed to find is an article about Fred's horse Olympia, and his impact on racing bloodlines, especially sprinters. I wish there was some way I could add an attachment on here. aaargh... I have some pictures of the one visit I managed to get at his farm, and he and Wanda gave me and my dad the dime tour. Got to see the immortal Precisionist in his paddock, Hoop Jr.'s gravesite, and a bunch of other stuff. (I can't even begin to descibe his trophy room!!!) I also have a magazine, I think it's from the Florida TOBA, with a big article about Fred for when he turned 100. I'd be happy to scan that and share with anyone interested. I guess it'd have to be by private email. Does anyone know how to share stuff like that on this board? I literally just signed up, so have no clue about all the tricks of the board yet.

Oh, and looking back at my original post, I kinda screwed up when telling how I'm related. He is my great-grandmother's brother (my dad's grand-uncle). My grandfather worked for him doing road construction down in Florida, but originally all our family roots go back to the northeast Georgia area. I'd love to hear more stories, if anyone has any to share!i worked for fred hooper for ten years both of my kids were born while i worked at hooper farms i took care of all the yearlings... lived next door to his brother milan hooper they were great people to work for some of the hores that were running when i lived on the farm were roman envoy...precionist... gus was the stud man willie was broodmare man lot of memories...