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vineyridge
Jun. 19, 2011, 03:38 AM
16 places or just over half are affected.

1, 2, 3 are not. Frank Ostholt would go down one to 5th, and Dirk Schrade would come up one to 4th. 6, 7, and 8 are the same, but Paul Tapner would drop to 11th, Ollie Townend would move up to 9th and Andrew Nicholson would move up to 10th. 12 is the same, but Caroline Powell would move up to 13th, and Tim Lips would move down a place. Victoria Madsen would move up to 15th, and Kai-steffen Meier would move down to 16th.

The biggest jump because of the coefficient is Niklas Jonsson who picks up five places, while Dag Albert loses 3.

tlw
Jun. 19, 2011, 08:14 AM
Not to hijack the thread but is the coefficient only used in FEI events? I'm not familiar with how it works but have seen it mentioned on this board several times.

vineyridge
Jun. 19, 2011, 08:49 AM
Each country has its own standards for National events. The FEI dressage coefficient is not used in the US and UK national events. We and they take the average percentage of the dressage judge score, subtract from 100, and the result is the number of penalty points for dressage in our national events. (At least I'm pretty sure that's how it's done) Canada does something unusual. Not sure about other countries and whether they use the FEI coefficient in their national events.

eventing dressage has been scored many different ways over the years for various reasons and with various results. The current dressage fixation in eventing seems to me to have been CAUSED by the 1.5 multiplier for the difference between the percentage average dressage score and 100 that is applied in FEI events. In effect, the worse your dressage, the more "extra" penalty points you accrue on top of your dressage score.

vineyridge
Jun. 20, 2011, 02:31 PM
Clayton Fredericks went double clear XC and double clear SJ, which moved him up to 5th with the dressage coefficient. Without it, he'd have finished 3rd. Frank Ostholt, who finished 3rd, would drop to sixth; Dirk Schrade would move from 6th to fifth.

Again, can someone justify why double clears in both jumping phases are worth less than dressage? Not the dressage as scored by the judges, but the dressage with added FEI penalty points.

Carol Ames
Jun. 20, 2011, 07:43 PM
Very interesting:yes:, but, who won?:confused:

vineyridge
Jun. 20, 2011, 08:50 PM
Andreas Dibowski won and would have won with or without the coefficient. Second place was Sandra Auffarth, who would have come second with or without the coefficient. Third was Frank Ostholt who would have been sixth without the coefficient. Piggy French was 4th and would have been 4th no matter what. Clayton Fredericks was 5th, and would have been third. He moved up on the basis of double clears in both jumping phases (Dibowski was the other with double clears in both jumping phases.) Dirk Schrade was 6th and would have been 5th. The other Brits-Ollie Townend, WFP and Mary King--were unaffected; all went double clear XC and moved up dramatically. They finished 7,8, 9. Andrew Nicholson was 10th. After him, the next 13 places were affected.