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Heliodoro
Jun. 15, 2011, 09:38 AM
I'm realizing how little I know about saddle fit and conformation after trying to find a new (to me) saddle that fits my horse really well and maybe even fits me. I didn't think my horse was a hard fit until now, isn't that how it always goes?

My budget is $1000 (little wiggle room, as in $1200 maximum!), obviously less is better. My horse is a med-wide/wide depending on the saddle maker with a pretty big set of shoulders. I have a longish thigh (just under 18") and am relatively fit at 5'6" and 140lb. Trainer wants me in a saddle with a forward flap to accommodate my leg that also has knee and thigh blocks.

I've compiled a list of saddles I have ridden/tried with my thoughts on each:

- 17" w Crosby PDN: this fits pretty good, but no blocks for eventing/hunting. Trainer would love it if this saddle never came between my horse's back and my butt.
- 17.5" w Lovatt & Ricketts A/P: fits better than Crosby, I fox hunt in this, but the flap is pretty shallow with my knee hanging over in shorter stirrups
- 17.5" w SLT Newberry Dressage: fits fine, slight bridging, "fixed" with a half-pad
- 17" w Pessoa Legacy Event: too wide, never got to try the medium gullet, loved how it fit my leg and position
- 17.5" w Pariai Allegra: didn't fit horse great, when trotting the cantle would slap me, otherwise I liked the fit for myself
- 17.5" m Pariani Maximus: fit horse and rider wonderfully, difficult saddle to find in price range
- 17.5" m Toulouse Annice: Supposedly identical to Maximus, balance point very off as it tilted my whole body back, did not fit horse great
- 17" 32cm Stubben Seigfried: fit horse, I was not able to ride in it
- 17.5" 31.5cm Courbette A/P: fit horse on ground, once mounted was not happy, balance point was off for rider (tilted back). I've ridden this saddle with another horse it fit and was comfortable riding/jumping in

I also have conformation shots of my horse (taken last week) and have sent them to Pelham Saddlery for help in this matter, but I'm open to many opinions/suggestions!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64149685@N08/sets/72157626843225955/

Thanks, as always!

scubed
Jun. 15, 2011, 12:02 PM
Look here http://www.classicsaddlery.com/closeouts/consignments.htm

Some Toulouse as well as Pariani maximus in your range. Talk to Lynda. She is quite knowlegable and can help you with this fit if you tell her what you posted here.

Heliodoro
Jun. 15, 2011, 12:50 PM
Look here http://www.classicsaddlery.com/closeouts/consignments.htm

Some Toulouse as well as Pariani maximus in your range. Talk to Lynda. She is quite knowlegable and can help you with this fit if you tell her what you posted here.

I've talked with Lynda. She doesn't have the Maximus in the size I need, so I tried the Toulouse "equivalent" and that was a major no go! Don't know why it was so massively different, but the balance was really off comparatively. I could barely trot in the saddle, in 10 minutes I had ripped it off my horse and packaged the saddle to ship back!

alto
Jun. 15, 2011, 10:33 PM
Did you looked at these saddles at Rick's?

Pessoa B T (http://www.saddlesource.com/pessoa-blyth-tait-301.html)

Pessoa Legacy (http://www.saddlesource.com/pessoa-legacy-763.html)

Pessoa Leg XP (http://www.saddlesource.com/pessoa-legacy-xp-316.html)

(just enter Pessoa in the search box (http://www.saddlesource.com/)


Barnsby Schockmoele (http://www.saddlesource.com/cliff-barnsby-shockemohle-838.html)


Barnsby Diablo (http://www.saddlesource.com/barnsby-diablo-703.html)


Slightly :confused: if your thigh is just under 18in, why are you looking at 17" saddles? have you tried some 18's? (I realize that some of the Pessoa's are generous in their sizing.)
I know I extended your budget a bit but given how many of these saddles Rick's still has, make an offer - also their big sale runs June 17-19

Have you looked at the Ovation saddles? (eg, 4* Event exchange is the new version but there should still be some older fixed gullets floating around on good deal)

Hinderella
Jun. 15, 2011, 10:47 PM
Take a look at the Courbette Aristokrat or the Vision. Both have a fairly forward flap and the additional blocks/support you're looking for.

Also,County would usually be out of your price range, but this one is on eBay now...I would snap it up if my pony could use a wide tree!

http://cgi.ebay.com/County-Extreme-Cross-Country-Saddle-17-seat-Wide-tree-/250838303405?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6720c2ad#ht_474wt_135

alto
Jun. 15, 2011, 10:52 PM
Wow! that County is in lovely condition :yes:

SilvyFilly
Jun. 17, 2011, 08:58 AM
Wow...I am looking for a new jumping saddle and I know my horse fits a wide County(our dressage saddle is a County). Hmm....

scubed
Jun. 17, 2011, 09:34 AM
Some on clearance here: http://stores.briggstackshop.com/page04.html

Sat in one of these once and was surprised that it was comfortable: http://www.statelinetack.com/item/paris-tack-lafitte-close-contact-saddle/SLT901380/

You might try the Courbette Pandur: http://www.bcsaddlery.com/sadcbcb.img/cb232bl.htm

There is a Pessoa Event at Middleburg: http://www.middleburgtack.com/index.cfm?action=inventory&pCategoryID=D2DF6F93-C291-660C-4A72FCF258CF0594&name=Close%20Contact

The County ProFit is also a good option. It fit my horse the same way as the Pariani Maximus and I found it a bit more comfortable. Used ones can be found for as little as $750 (I got mine for $950 from a tack store). Here is one in your size: http://www.freehorseads.com/tack/photo.php?adnum=14076

Another thought would be the Berney Bros. This one at Middleburg for under $400: http://www.middleburgtack.com/inventory_detail.cfm?ourClientsID=A7434D51-F1F6-4983-6FE333ABE7500BC3

TheBrightSide06
Jun. 17, 2011, 09:38 AM
I just got a Dominus Bruce Davidson on trial. It has a forward flap, and I'm 6ft tall and ALL leg! Will let you know how that works! :)

pattnic
Jun. 17, 2011, 09:47 AM
Slightly :confused: if your thigh is just under 18in, why are you looking at 17" saddles? have you tried some 18's?

Probably because the balance point is often different with an 18" saddle than a 17" saddle.

Heliodoro
Jun. 17, 2011, 09:47 AM
I just got a Dominus Bruce Davidson on trial. It has a forward flap, and I'm 6ft tall and ALL leg! Will let you know how that works! :)

My trainer has one of those, an older one. It's narrowish-tree, so I haven't tried it out on my guy.

I tried a 17.5" Berney Bros. saddle the other day. If the saddle fits OK over the withers/shoulders, but lifts in the back (cantle), it means the tree is too small right? I thought it was a decent saddle, fairly comfy, flap was maybe a little short and no thigh blocks (trainer is really insistent on them for foxhunting!).

Heliodoro
Jun. 17, 2011, 09:50 AM
Probably because the balance point is often different with an 18" saddle than a 17" saddle.

Most of what I've ridden in has been 17.5" saddles and they seem to be fine on the flat and smaller jumps (2'9"). It's when I hike my stirrups up that I need the more forward flap. That and most of this saddle trying has been a group of us with the median size being a 17.5" seat. I've only personally had one saddle shipped specifically for me, all the others have been from other people so I could get a sense of what fits my horse and I and what I prefer.