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TheOrangeOne
Nov. 13, 2004, 08:26 AM
OK, so anyone who wants to chip in for the add, please Put em down here. I currently have a pair of tall boots on ebay, and I will have the money go towards this cause (probably around 100 bucks or so) If a three day is close enough to me, I will do anything to help out (free mucking to all CCI competitiors ROFL) I will even work the desk and stuff goodie bags. Heck, I'll make 2000 chocolate chip cookies for the banquet! I make good chocolate chip cookies... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

TheOrangeOne
Nov. 13, 2004, 08:26 AM
OK, so anyone who wants to chip in for the add, please Put em down here. I currently have a pair of tall boots on ebay, and I will have the money go towards this cause (probably around 100 bucks or so) If a three day is close enough to me, I will do anything to help out (free mucking to all CCI competitiors ROFL) I will even work the desk and stuff goodie bags. Heck, I'll make 2000 chocolate chip cookies for the banquet! I make good chocolate chip cookies... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

TheOrangeOne
Nov. 13, 2004, 08:28 AM
Oh, and if anyoen wants to find a fine holiday gift, here are my COTH Boots http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7113972212

Erin
Nov. 13, 2004, 09:53 AM
OK... since time is short here, I will (gritting my teeth) volunteer to collect money for the ad. If we don't get enough or end up not going through with it, I will just return everyone's money. But we gotta get organized quick.

A full page black and white ad will probably be in the neighborhood of $900-1000 or so. I won't be able to get the details from COTH until Monday.

Someone (NOT me!) will need to design the ad. Hopefully someone with actual experience doing ads so they can follow COTH's specs. (Or at least someone with that kind of experience will be needed to help out, if not actually design the ad.)

We would need to have permission from the photographer before any professional photographs could be used... just as an advance warning.

If you want to contribute money, email or PT me for my PayPal information or my mailng address to send a check.

Erin
Nov. 13, 2004, 10:35 AM
Oh, and of course, if I happen to get a buttload of money and we have more than will be needed for the ad, whatever is extra will be dumped into the Save The Three-Day Fund (is there a fund? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) or given to charity. I'm sure that probably went without saying, but just wanted to cover all the bases, lest someone accuse me for taking off to Tahiti on the extra dough! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

deltawave
Nov. 13, 2004, 10:43 AM
IF there's extra money, I'd vote to buy a bunch of the "Save the 3 Day" hats and hand them out to BNT's to wear conspicuously if they have the cojones to do so. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif AND buy a nice, big fat one for CMP's big, swollen head, too. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

PS...any graphic designers/ad people out there? If we raise enough for a nice big ad, it needs to look FABULOUS! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oxerbound
Nov. 13, 2004, 12:15 PM
Okay... I used to be a graphic design major, so if no one else volunteers (hinthint actual graphic artists), I'll design the add if someone tells me what they want.

Tom King
Nov. 13, 2004, 01:49 PM
Where do we send the money?

Erin
Nov. 13, 2004, 03:42 PM
Tom, send me an email or PT and I'll give you my PayPal info/mailing address.

Gnep
Nov. 13, 2004, 04:16 PM
I would sugest, that the extra money could be used for more ads.
Keep the presure on, as much as possible.

Pol
Nov. 13, 2004, 05:09 PM
Oxerbound- What a nice offer- Please be sure to consult your spell check before you ADD pictures to the new AD!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif
Erin, check yer PT's -I wanna send $$$$$$$ http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

(ps, is this the coolest thing going? What a great bunch of people)

RoeVee
Nov. 13, 2004, 05:15 PM
Thanks for collecting Erin - I will pitch in $25.

Could you keep a running tally - so we know where we are. As we get closer, it we don't have enough $, I'm sure people will pitch in more!

Thanks!

oskaar
Nov. 13, 2004, 05:18 PM
Well...I have graphic designer friend who kind of owes me a favor, so if we can figure out what we want the ad to convey/look like and give her a general idea, she *might* be willing to do it (if she's not swamped this week). I also have a REALLY cool picture that my uncle (pro photographer) took from Radnor. I'll ask for rights--I think it'd still be cool in b and w. If someone with picture posting rights wants to let me email them, I would be happy to do so. Then y'all can check it out.

Erin
Nov. 13, 2004, 06:20 PM
oskaar, you can send it to me and I'll post.

VetRep
Nov. 13, 2004, 08:19 PM
I'll pitch in my entire PayPal balance. Sounds great, I know, but its only about forty bucks! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Hey, every bit helps! I'll PT you, Erin, for the email addy. Thanks for organizing this!

free
Nov. 13, 2004, 08:56 PM
Erin...emailed you. Thanks.

bigdreamer
Nov. 13, 2004, 10:02 PM
on the other thread someone mentioned using the t-shirt money. Unfortunatly i have to wait 45 days from the day the order was completed before I can actually get the check, which is only sent at the end of the month. So i probably won't get a check til the end of december. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

BUT! I have absolutly no problem sending my own check and then just keeping the check from cafepress. I would absolutly LOVE to pitch in guys, but i am a poor college kid with no job.

How much of the t-shirt money should we us for this? so far we have about $90 profit.... all of it? or just some? or wait til the final tally is up and send what is needed??? I don't want to make the decision on my own, i'd like a popular vote so that way I don't make a decision i will regret later! let me know.

Oxerbound
Nov. 13, 2004, 10:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pol:
Oxerbound- What a nice offer- Please be sure to consult your spell check before you ADD pictures to the new AD!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL I'm sorry. What a horrid way to advertise, eh? In my defense, I do have mono and an awful fever, so I'm not really trucking with all 18 wheels today. Ah, well.. so is life.

Pol
Nov. 14, 2004, 05:24 AM
Oxerbound! I'm sorry you are so sick! Mono is the WORST.
Also, I happen to think you are one of the most articulate posters on here and I always look forward to reading your remarks. I quoted you somewhere on these boards yesterday. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif
I hope you feel better soon. Stay off the horses and force fluids!

Hilman Farm
Nov. 14, 2004, 05:43 AM
The Save the Tradiontal Three Day rally has brought me out of about two years of "lurking".

I spoke with Brian Ross yesterday at Rubicon about the traditional three day. He encouraged me to do something to help save it. I am one person - what can I do? I have an idea.

This Board is full of highly educated, highly motivated and very intelligent people. In order to contiune the efforts that have started, I think a not-for-profit or limited liability company should be set up to continue the efforts.

Individuals can donate to the entity. Funds could be used to support the traditional three day organizers through volunteer support, advertising support, sponsorship support etc. This would provide a true avenue for those organizers who are willing to run A, B and C to turn to - an organized list of people who support them and are willing to help.

I am a certified public accountant. I am willing to donate my time and energies to make this happen.

Robby Johnson has offered to provide public relations support.

Not to call anyone else out on the carpet, but I believe GotSpots is an attorney and Boss Hoss does webdesign...and there are many many more professional skills out there waiting to be tapped into.

With the internet, the web and the conference call, we can easily create a nationwide entity with leaders from all avenues of life. An organized committee to continue what has already started.

Feel free to tell me I have fallen off my rocker or if you think this idea has some merrit.

Warmest regards to everyone who has stepped forward so far.

Gry2Yng
Nov. 14, 2004, 05:55 AM
HF - You are still on your rocker. Great idea.

flyingchange
Nov. 14, 2004, 06:05 AM
HF -

This is a great idea and I am so glad you have come forward with it. I think asterix also was trying to nudge us in this direction last week in one of her posts.

titan
Nov. 14, 2004, 06:44 AM
I have slowly withdrawn from eventing over the years for a number of reasons and finally decided to sell the last horse and put my gear on eBAY earlier this month. I do still believe in the 3 day and will donate the winning bid for a pair of lightly used Woof Pro O/F Boots (less shipping) for the COTH ad. Boots are at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7113925047&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT on eBAY and end in 5 days. Hope that is in time.

asterix
Nov. 14, 2004, 06:48 AM
Thanks, flyingchange http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Yes -- I really think we need to make a formal entity out of this, if we want it to have "legs"... beyond the immediate community of the BB.
If we are at all successful, we are going to have money on hand, and if we have money that we don't IMMEDIATELY spend on something like the COTH ad, we really can't just rely on goodwill all around and expect people to keep sending out checks.

It would be great if we could have a name and a token web presence somewhere (maybe connected to the blog?) by the time Denny's piece goes to press. The URL should go in the ad -- would be a one-stop place to learn more, contribute online, hop over to the store, the petition, etc.
We can link back to this forum for discussion, too...

Laurie@CBF
Nov. 14, 2004, 06:58 AM
I would like to make a suggestion to add "Save the Three Day" to the title.

TheOrangeOne
Nov. 14, 2004, 12:01 PM
Hey...It's catching on! eBAY for the 3 day! Its a small way to help out. Clean out those tack rooms!

Miss Maddie
Nov. 15, 2004, 07:54 AM
I think using any money leftover to do additional ads is a great idea. Erin could work out the grand total and we can all decide how many to buy at what size. Maybe do the full page with Denny's article and then a series of smaller ads to keep the momentum going, with a link to the petition and gear order site on all of them.

Erin, I will PT you.

Jupes
Nov. 15, 2004, 08:25 AM
Hi!

I AM a graphic designer by profession and have lots of experience doing ads. Plus I have the logo and can easily configure it in black and white.

Erin, where can I get the specs? Are we doing a half-page, B/W? I can get started right away once I have the specs...

What exactly should it say? Please give me all your input ASAP, so I can work on it today. I can get in done in just a day or two.

Oh, and I'll chip in 25 bucks...

VetRep
Nov. 15, 2004, 08:28 AM
Jupes,

I have to say, you rock the house! Your contributions have really helped this thing soar! Thank you!

Pol
Nov. 15, 2004, 09:04 AM
Jupes, seems to me you don't HAVE the logo, you
** ARE** the logo!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Ooooh, and now your logo is all over my house, truck, trailer, barn-my Cafe Press order just arrived! The stuff is great!

Erin
Nov. 15, 2004, 11:52 AM
OK, I am attaching two pictures that folks sent me for ad consideration... please note that I am only collecting money and organizing with COTH. What the actual ad looks like is up to you folks!

Also, those of you who are going to send checks, please do so ASAP so I know how much money we have to work with. I need to be able to give the money to the folks at COTH by the 26th, I imagine, but we need to have it in hand much sooner than that so Jupes knows how much space we're buying.

OK will attach pictures momentarily...

Jupes
Nov. 15, 2004, 11:54 AM
Oh boy, I'm going to be in trouble at work! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I just spent the morning working on a full page, black and white ad for COTH. I am unable to post it, but have asked tle to help me out whenever she has time.

Will everyone please review?
What do you think of the copy? Compelling enough? Too dramatic? Too wordy? Explanatory enough?
I will need bigdreamer to email me a picture of the gray steeplechase horse... the one I used is just a low-resolution frame grab.

Thanks to everyone!!

Pol
Nov. 15, 2004, 11:54 AM
Erin, I'm sending you $50. Shall I make it out to YOU or COTH or Save the 3-Day Campaign? Thanks for all your good works.

Erin
Nov. 15, 2004, 11:57 AM
Pol, uh, I'm not sure... lemme check with COTH.

Jupes, you can email to me to post if you like.

Here is a pic from KateDB...

Erin
Nov. 15, 2004, 11:59 AM
I think this pic is from oskaar... and yes, I can put copyright wording on it, but am swamped at the moment... will add it later. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

This pic is Copyright Jeff Lendrum 2004. The previous pic is a Shannon Brinkman photo, and I believe Kate said she had purchased additional rights to it, so it's good to go.

http://chronicleforums.com/RADnor.jpg

JDufort
Nov. 15, 2004, 12:03 PM
both photos are very nice.

I prefer the first one because it shows a steeplechase fence clearly.

Erin
Nov. 15, 2004, 12:06 PM
Also, we are going to need to decide if we want to go BIG and get a full-page ad, if we get enough money. Or, if we'd rather maybe do more, smaller ads.

purplepants
Nov. 15, 2004, 12:11 PM
I would vote for a big ad to get the word out at first at least. Then we can go from there. Hopefully if we do a good job with this first ad support will be rallied and more ads will be in the future!

Pol
Nov. 15, 2004, 12:14 PM
KateDB's pic would be my choice to take public. I'd say hit 'em hard to start with 1 giant (color??) ad. The way this thing is mushrooming, I'd guess the $ will continue to trickle in for subsequent, smaller ads. Can the COTH guarantee the ad will face Denny's next Between Rounds?

tle
Nov. 15, 2004, 12:20 PM
Jupes... got the ad. Can't post it in PDF, but transferred it to gif... hope everyone can read it.

http://image16.webshots.com/16/9/1/31/217590131vTryOH_ph.jpg

My comments:
<LI>Like the style... love the first line ("grandeur and grit")
<LI>Technically, the "short format" does include a shortened Phase A... it's the Phase C roads & tracks that are eliminated along with steeplechase so perhaps the "meaning no Roads & Tracks and no Steeplechase" should be re-worded (although at the rate teh FEI is going, i wouldn't be surprised if the next step was to make everything a horse trial anyway so the statement isn't THAT far off).
<LI> is anyone putting together the Savethe3Day.org page (or whatever) so we can reference it instead of the michigancta page that Lynn so WONDERFULLY threw together?

Erin
Nov. 15, 2004, 12:22 PM
tle, if you want to email it to me, I can post it as a PDF.

tle
Nov. 15, 2004, 12:24 PM
on its way, erin!

Erin
Nov. 15, 2004, 12:25 PM
BTW, rather than send people to the Michigan CTA website, do we want to set up a domain and a site exclusively for Save the Three-Day?

I'm not a whiz at web design, but can certainly put SOMETHING attractive together quickly and can host it.

savethethreeday.org is available. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Doh! Shoulda known tle had mentioned it already. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Erin
Nov. 15, 2004, 12:28 PM
Here's a link to the PDF:

http://chronicleforums.com/threedayad.pdf

tle
Nov. 15, 2004, 12:32 PM
that's ok Erin. Always nice to know what I'm thinking isn't TOTALLY "out there" somewhere. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

I can also put something together web-wise if needed. Be happy to... someone would just need to give me the go-ahead.

deltawave
Nov. 15, 2004, 12:33 PM
Just FYI...I grabbed the URL "savethe3day.org" and it's available for use in support of this effort. I can do some website stuff, but nothing as high-tech as a pro can do. Will be happy to transfer the domain name to anyone who wants to do a website, or I can put something together.

Jupes
Nov. 15, 2004, 12:36 PM
Thank you so much guys!

I agree that we should set up a website specifically for this effort. I definitely think we should simplify a web location with all pertinent links, rather than have people clicking to a bunch of different sites. Erin, you're game?

Also, changing this ad to color is a snap IF we raise enough money. ...and if we don't, I can make it a half page almost as easily...

tle, I'll get on those changes...

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subk
Nov. 15, 2004, 12:45 PM
Jupes just a suggestion if its not to obnoxious. What about the logo top left, head top right then switch the photo to the right instead of left. This will have both horses jumping "into" the ad instead of encouraging the eye to travel away from the copy.

I agree we need a non-profit and fast. Include a request for tax deductible (?) donation in ad. Webpage could have a paypal button. Do we need a lawyer or an accountant to set it up?

subk
Nov. 15, 2004, 12:49 PM
Also what about getting permission from Jimmy Wofford, Jim Graham, Jane Atkinson and any upper level big name riders to list their names in the ad as people that have already signed. Something like:

"Join JW, JG, JA in supporting this effort by adding your name to the ST3D petition"

Pol
Nov. 15, 2004, 12:56 PM
Jupes, I love it! My only picky comments are that perhaps a short line could be added to say something like: In early runs of the 'short format' it appears that the changes do not benefit the horses.
The whole point of keeping the full format is that the original 3-day was designed in accordance with the physiological make up of a horse. It seems to me that we have to keep this point in the forefront of the campaign. As much as we all LOVE to run and jump and that there is no greater thrill on earth than the partnership we all build thru the fitness work and intense training we put in so we CAN go run steeplechase, we have to keep the good of the horses as the main focus. (was that a run-on sentence or WHAT!) I think I might take out the line about playing ice hockey on grass. I had to read it twice and still it didn't really make a point... I'd also be careful not to throw in too many fonts. As I said, I LOVE it. Thanks! (I am wearing my new sweatshirt-it is FAB)

asterix
Nov. 15, 2004, 01:13 PM
Great, and very quick, work!
My 2 cents:
1. change it to "what the sport IS" instead of "what IS the sport" -- think it flows better (and agree we can bag the ice hockey line -- fun image, but this is a horse audience, so I think they'll get the point.

2. It would be great if we could move the URL up or make it more prominent (now that it will be savethe3day.org, thanks DW!), so you don't have to read all the copy (which is good, but some will skip) to see that we have a website with more info. Right now it is rather buried... not sure how I'd do this in B/W short of moving it up on the page...thoughts?

Erin, I'll paypal you my contribution...

Erin
Nov. 15, 2004, 01:33 PM
Yep, I will take on website duties... I can't contribute much in the form of cash, so this will have to be my contribution. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

deltawave, I'll get hosting for it set up later tonight and will get in touch with you for specifics...

How about putting the URL along the top and/or bottom of the page instead of ABCD?

BTW, has anyone mentioned that Fair Hill is two words rather than one? Sorry, old proofreading habits die hard. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

asterix
Nov. 15, 2004, 01:43 PM
Oh, while we are proof reading, is the word "eventing" missing from the sentence that begins "If the FEI wishes...[eventing?] to remain..."?

Erin, I like the border and am afraid the url would get lost up there-- but am not good at design, so defer to those of you who are...

Jupes
Nov. 15, 2004, 01:44 PM
Wow!

Thanks for all the input. I'll wait a little while for more comments, then make everyone's changes tonight. I'll ask Erin to re-post the revised version tomorrow. Sound good?

Keep the comments coming.

Erin
Nov. 15, 2004, 01:51 PM
OK, for those sending checks, if you haven't already... MAKE THEM OUT TO THE CHRONICLE OF THE HORSE! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Belinda says they can take a bunch of checks, rather than me depositing money and making one check out to them.

Denny's article is running in the Dec. 17th issue (which is also the Holiday Issue). The ad deadline is Dec. 3rd. So let's make the deadline for getting cash in hand Nov. 26, so I can get it to COTH. I'll write a check for the PayPal donations, and send along everyone else's checks.

Belinda can give us the 12x rate for a full page B/W: $889.10. If we end up with more cash than that, we can certainly do 2 or 4-color (not sure exactly what the costs are for those). But I think we can set the full-page B/W as our goal.

I'm not sure she can guarantee it will be on a facing page from Denny's article or not, but I wil ask. The Eventing section doesn't tend to have many ads anyway, so worst-case scenario it would only be a page or two away. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jupes, can you get the ad to them camera ready? If they have to typeset it, it will cost extra.... but I am assuming we don't need to worry about that.

So... I think I have about $100 in PayPal donations already, and I'm guessing I have at least another $400 in "pledges" to come via check... shall I go ahead and reserve the full-page?

subk
Nov. 15, 2004, 02:24 PM
Jupes nothing like having a "committee of art directors!" http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif You're great to do this!

ss3777
Nov. 15, 2004, 02:55 PM
just sent my humble paypal donation. If we get close to the date and we are short, can someone let "us" know? If I have to buck up some more $ for the cause I willhttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

THANKS TO ALL!

bigdreamer
Nov. 15, 2004, 03:44 PM
Jupes-

I just sent you a reply to your e-mail, but i hadn't checked on here- so now i see the ad, and i love it!

just so you know, there does need to be photo credit on the pic of the gray horse for sport horse studio (just writing "sport horse studio photo" is what i did for the shirts)


**do we want to use t-shirt money for this ad???**

It's not exactly "my money" to spend, so i don't want to make decisions with it without consulting you guys... erin, do you think we'll have enough and that it should be saved?? or do we need it?


My mom has experience with setting up 2 fully running non profit organizations- i can talk to her about how to set everything up if you guys need any help.

let me know if there is ANYTHING ELSE i can do!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

RoeVee
Nov. 15, 2004, 04:18 PM
Wow! Love the ad! I agree on taking out the hockey reference - but like where the "is" is, in the sentence. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VetRep
Nov. 15, 2004, 04:30 PM
Jupes, love it love it love it!!! Once again, sister, you rock the house.

Thanks, bigdreamer, you beat me to it...I've paid for the rights to use that photo, but it does need a credit. Its SO cool to see my great old guy in print! Some of you may actually remember him--his name is Ben Nevis ("Benny"), and he was literally famous for being quite enthusiastic (to say the least) about his steeplechase and cross country! Seems fitting...

I say "yes" to using the t-shirt money for this ad, for sure.

If there is anything else I can do, please let me know! Other marketing efforts?

asterix
Nov. 15, 2004, 04:36 PM
I vote for using the Tshirt money, too.

deltawave
Nov. 15, 2004, 04:42 PM
I vote for using the T-shirt money, too.

You can change the website on the bottom of the ad...the URL www.savethe3day.org (http://www.savethe3day.org) is now linked to the michigancta page and if I have time tonight I will put up a temporary mini-site until Erin can have a crack at it. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Edited to add that Erin has already gotten the ball rolling, so stand by for her updates...the URL is officially in her hands now!

Bigdreamer, how about making a bumper sticker in your shop that has <span class="ev_code_BLUE">SaveThe3Day.org</span> in big, bold letters? Those are pretty inexpensive, and folks who want to spread the word can easily buy a dozen and distribute them. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

bambam
Nov. 15, 2004, 04:53 PM
I think it is great Jupes! I think any comments I might have were covered (my biggest being to make the website really visible). The only other one I have is just a suggestion- along the line's of Pol's (?) suggestion to make it about the horse- where it says the change has been made without the consent of the populace maybe also add "and without any research or thought about whether it is safe for the horses" or something to that effect
Just a suggestion
I say definitely use the t-shirt $
And Erin- if we are short on $ when the deadline is approaching- let us know- I can sratch together a little more

asterix
Nov. 15, 2004, 05:03 PM
OK, forgive me, because I am CLUELESS (but in awe of) all the Tshirt and hoodie-making machinations...
but could we add a version of the Tshirt etc. that has the URL on it???
That would be great!!!
If so, I will wait and buy my goodies with URL...

Erin
Nov. 15, 2004, 05:14 PM
I've got just over $200 in PayPal donations at the moment... keep 'em coming, folks! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

If by chance we end up with more than enough for the COTH ad, perhaps we can place the same ad in a couple other publications?

I'll throw something together on the website as soon as I can. BTW, we'll also have 10 (I think) savethe3day.org email addresses at our disposal. I'll set up a contact@savethe3day.org account, at least, but if anyone else has a use for one for "official" business, just let me know. I can have the email forward straight to your regular account.

deltawave
Nov. 15, 2004, 05:18 PM
Can you link one of the email addresses right into Mark Phillips's private email account? MWAHAHAHAHA! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

asterix
Nov. 15, 2004, 05:51 PM
yes, that would be complain@savethe3day.org

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Gnep
Nov. 15, 2004, 05:57 PM
Sorry Erin, but my check is in your name.
I have been cheking German language Websites, they are pretty much unconcerned about it, or their is nothing happening. So I am stirring the pot a little bit.
I would strongly suggest that we use any extra money for additinal ads in other publikations, and keep on beating the bush ( hihihihi ) for more money.
In case that there is an interest to internationalise the Website, for example German, that means 3 to 4 countries, I can do the translations and place threads with the URL into 10 forums.
I think the T-shirt would sell very good abroad.

Bliss
Nov. 15, 2004, 11:27 PM
y'all rock.

I haven't gone cross country since pony club, but gosh darn it, the short format isn't right.

$25 (not much, I know!) on its way via check with a big SAVE THE THREE DAY written on the outside of the envelope.

Way to go, guys. Verrrry impressive organisation on a short time frame. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

You have lots of us dressage riders rooting for you! B

flyingchange
Nov. 16, 2004, 05:36 AM
Wow, this is amazing!

Jupes - I love the design. I also like both pix that Erin posted. However, I personally like the second picture better (taken at Radnor?) It shows "grit" very clearly on the horse's expression - I'm sure that the first horse would show that too but the second one I guess just shows up clearer. It really captures the spirit of what we're saying I guess.

Jupes
Nov. 16, 2004, 06:39 AM
Hi Guys,

Thank you so much for your suggestions! I think I was able to incorporate almost all of them, and I think the ad looks a lot better, thanks to y'all.

I asked Erin to post it when she has a chance.

Please keep the comments coming; I want everyone to be happy with it.

BTW, do we NEED denny's, jimmy's, jane's permission to use their names in the ad? The fact that they signed the petition means they're on board, right? Just checking. Don't want to step on any toes...

canterlope
Nov. 16, 2004, 07:33 AM
I would be happy to make up the balance of the cost of the ad. Erin, if you could let me know the shortage a day or two before the COTH needs payment, I will Paypal you the balance.

bambam
Nov. 16, 2004, 07:36 AM
Jupes- I would definitely ask them before we used their names- even if it is not strictly required, it is the courteous thing to do IMHO
And, jupes- you ROCK!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Pol
Nov. 16, 2004, 07:52 AM
I'd say courteous to ask as well. They might even give you more to quote! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I have to disagree with Flyingchange on the picture from Radnor. I think the horse's expression is not a good one. I think he looks stressed and worried. Plus, the fence doesn't show as it does in KateDB's picture. Also, Kate's horse has a very confident expression.

(Another vote for T-shirt $ going towards ads.)

KateDB
Nov. 16, 2004, 08:00 AM
Hey, thanks Pol, and how did you know it was us?!?!

My apologies for appearing to being absent through all these discussions. I'm totally in favour of the ad. Of $ going to the ad and such.

I did obtain permission from the photographer to use Paddy's photo in "Saving the 3Day" as long as she was given credit. So we are good on that front, should y'all choose to use it. I also offered to pay her myself, if that's ok, too. Thanks to everyone for pitching and working towards such a worthy cause. I'm looking forward to a full 3day format and aiming to Radnor next year!

Cheers, K


Edited to add that I'm saying DUH to myself! I finally found Erin's threads with the photos attached...boy, I really AM out of it!!!

Jupes
Nov. 16, 2004, 08:28 AM
Maybe I'll just leave the specific "big" names off the ad altogether, as there are so MANY now anyway. (How could I chose? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

What if I replaced the line with "Please join prominent eventers in signing our online petition to save..."

Any help with wording is appreciated! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

tbpalsx2
Nov. 16, 2004, 08:44 AM
Well I am the dope who made a stupid remark on one of the earlier threads by Denny that "not one BNR was supporting the grass roots effort". Bambam and Janet rightfully called me on that one. At the time I was not meaning to ignore that BNRS J Wofford, Denny, Stuart Pittman, Ashley McVaugh and others had signed. I was really referring to the names like O'Connor, Severson, Williams, Chicacchia,Dutton etc. However since that time I have had to eat my words and I am glad about that. Seeing Peter Atkins and Bruce Mandevile among others add their names is awesome. Also Great to see so many riders in the Young Riders program signing. To those who started this whole idea and process thanks for the hard work.

flyingchange
Nov. 16, 2004, 12:10 PM
Pol,

I went back and looked at the pix again. You are right ... so my vote is now for Kate DB's pic.

I guess I'm a flip flopper!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Pol
Nov. 16, 2004, 12:28 PM
http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif Flyingchange, Flip-flopping is just fine, as long as you end up agreeing with ME!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Schrat
Nov. 17, 2004, 03:33 AM
Hi folks!

Though not beÃ*ng an eventer myself, I really appreciate the discipline and consider it one of the last possibilities in a rapidly sissy-ing-up horse world to show what a horse can do - and with lots of pleasure at that - and what breeders are breeding for.

I can offer you free use of my photos I took last yeas in Temecula for this campain - for ads, for a web side, whatever. You find the Pics at http://users.telenet.be/horses/. I will select all steeple-chase pics and mail them to Erin for free use. Feel free to contact me any time if you like one or more of the pics. Most of the pics, and all of the steeple chase pics - are taken with a Nikon D1x in medium print quality = good enough for Letter format.

Erin, if you give me your snail mail address, I can send You a CD plus the dollar-left-overs from last years stay in USA.

Thats all I can do to help at the moment.

frugalannie
Nov. 17, 2004, 05:00 AM
Canterlope, I just read your VERY generous offer.

I'd love to make some wisecrack here, but it wouldn't be fair. What I really want to say is plain and simple.

You are terrific. Thank you from the bottom of my humble eventing heart.


PS Erin: a small check is on it's way via snail mail.

flypony74
Nov. 17, 2004, 05:33 AM
As I said before, if someone will get me some artwork, I'll be glad to run an ad for free in my own publication, www.horse-exchange.com (http://www.horse-exchange.com) . It's not COTH, but we have a pretty decent circulation, and it is FULL color.. I need to check my space availability once I get to the office, but I'm sure I can do at least a 1/4-1/2 page ad, maybe more. If someone will email me in the next day or so then I can easily get it into the December issue. kelly@horse-exchange.com

Jupes
Nov. 17, 2004, 06:57 AM
Hi Guys,

I emailed flypony 74 for the specs for the ad space she is offering. What a generous contribution! I can conform the ad I've been working on for COTH...

Just a deadline note: I feel confident about meeting COTH's artwork deadline on Dec. 3. HOWEVER, I will be going out of town from 11/19 to 11/26. Once Erin has a chance to post the revision of the COTH ad, will you guys please do the following BY NOV. 26th:

(Erin, please let me know if you need me to re-email the ad for you to post.)

1. Make any revisions/text changes etc.

2. Let me know if you all want the photo changed. (I personally like the one I'm currently using, since it will reproduce so well in black and white.)

3. Decide if we should get permission to add big names (someone would have to help me... I don't have any way to get their consent) -OR- just replace the line with "Join many top eventers..."

I'll check the boards once I return, make final changes, then send in the ad.

Thanks guys!! This has been awesome.

bigdreamer
Nov. 17, 2004, 07:10 AM
flypony- i tried e-mailing you before and i got a response from your e-mail that said you would not see the e-mail- an auto responder i'm guessing. and i posted about it on here, but you never responded http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif sorry it never worked out before!! hopefully this time you got them from who sent them! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Erin
Nov. 17, 2004, 07:53 AM
Hi folks... sorry to be MIA, I was at Leesburg all day yesterday with a lame horse and need to rush a kitten off to the vet in a minute here, but I'll check back later. Jupes, I'm sorry, I haven't checked my COTH email, but I get the ad revision posted later.

One quick thought... I printed the original PDF out, and the photo seems to be a bit pixelated. Wasn't sure if that was the original print quality or if you just downsized the photo a bit to play with while creating the ad, or if it's just my printer... is anyone else noticing this? Can we get a higher-res photo if that's the problem?

VetRep
Nov. 17, 2004, 11:17 AM
Erin,

I just emailed a higher-res copy of the photo to you, in case you all decide to use it.

Pol
Nov. 17, 2004, 11:23 AM
I think this whole effort is just so cool. There are too many thank-yous to hand out but right now, right here, I want to say thanks to Schrat. I haven't seen your name a lot on the forums and then here you are, offering up BEAUTIFUL pictures! Erin and Jupes, when you have a second, check out these pix, (http://users.telenet.be/horses/) if the one you have isn't PERFECT. From Schrat's website, go to (**) # 71, Jaimie Kidston and Out of the Blue on Phase B. Also, in the (*) section, #14, Loreen Kay and Fifth Quarter, the right hand photo of them on the 'chase, where the horse is right over the top of the fence. Beautiful!

flypony74
Nov. 17, 2004, 12:43 PM
I received Jupes email and sent her the specs. Looks like I'll have room for a 1/2 page ad in Dec. If I have some unsold space in Jan I can run it again then, too.

Glad to help in any way I can!

merryone
Nov. 17, 2004, 01:51 PM
I am a graphic designer and a web designer with lots and lots of equine clients. I would be more than happy to design and execute an ad, or ad campaign. Web - you got it. Shorts, caps, saddle pads, no problemo. Just put me in touch with who is in charge.

denny
Nov. 18, 2004, 05:56 AM
This article is basically done--thanks, everyone for all the help.
I talk about both the Cafe Press items, and the petition, but I didn`t put in the web info (didn`t know how much commercialism they would allow, and didn`t want to press it)
So--- maybe the "Save the 3-day" ad should have all of that. It`s probably already thought of, but I figured I better mention it.
Denny

deltawave
Nov. 18, 2004, 05:57 AM
Between John S's editorial this week and the upcoming article, we will definitely put some "face time" on this issue! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

One of our fellow BB'ers has written a letter to the UK's "Horse and Hound", too.

tle
Nov. 18, 2004, 06:15 AM
Denny that's great! Wish I had your forethought when I was in high school (always finishing papers at the very last second!) http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

bambam
Nov. 18, 2004, 07:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jupes:
3. Decide if we should get permission to add big names (someone would have to help me... I don't have any way to get their consent) -OR- just replace the line with "Join many top eventers..."

I'll check the boards once I return, make final changes, then send in the ad. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Just a really nit picky suggestion (which I think we can stoop to since it is coming along so nicely http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif). If we can get permission from somebody like Jimmy Wofford and/or Jim Graham and/or Denny, then I think it would add some weight to it (we are not paranoid screwballs with some random petition http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif although Denny's article should take care of that perception).
My suggestion with the language (whether we use names or not) is rather than say "many top eventers" say "the leaders of the sport" or "those at the pinnacle of the sport" since we have names that are truly leaders separate and apart from any riding(like Jim Graham, Jimmy W and Denny and the organizer of the only 4* in the US)- their importance derives not, or not only, from riding but from their other contributions- so I personally like using slightly broader language
Just my 2 cents and quite nit picky.
I think the whole thing is excellent!

Erin
Nov. 18, 2004, 10:19 AM
Sorry for the delay, but here's the revised ad...

http://chronicleforums.com/ad2.pdf

colliemom
Nov. 18, 2004, 10:33 AM
Question... is it appropriate to copy this ad to hand out at the Area II meeting this weekend, or would it be better to keep it under wraps to make a bigger splash when it's printed?

deltawave
Nov. 18, 2004, 10:42 AM
Erin, did you decide to go with "www.savethethreeday.org" or "www.savethe3day.org"? The URL I sent you and linked your IP to is the latter...the ad says the former. Please check!

Miss C
Nov. 18, 2004, 10:42 AM
Uhm, is it savethe3day.org or savethethreeday.org? I thought in Deltawave's post she gave the url as have a "3" but in the ad it is spelled out. My computer gave me an error for both, though, so maybe I'm just computer illiterate!

Miss C
Nov. 18, 2004, 10:42 AM
Ok, posted about when DW did I guess. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Erin
Nov. 18, 2004, 10:43 AM
It is savethe3day.org.

JDufort
Nov. 18, 2004, 11:22 AM
I'm getting an error on both - when will the site be up?

I was thinking to use this ad as a handout at Pine Top next weekend - if that's okay.

Erin
Nov. 18, 2004, 11:39 AM
Please don't hand out the ad until the site is ready to go... I will try to get something up there tomorrow, but I just haven't had any time to work on it yet.

colliemom
Nov. 18, 2004, 11:49 AM
Okay, will stick with other hand outs for now. Thanks!

oskaar
Nov. 18, 2004, 12:23 PM
Jupes--

Way to go!!! It looks awesome. I have a couple of suggestions:

The 2004 Olympics were (not was)

instead of "upper-level riders are now being encouraged to NOT run..." use "upper-level riders are now being discouraged" You'll get rid of the awkwardness and the split infinitive.

I would change "Luckily..." to "Fortunately..." or something to that effect. The people who began this campaign have been working their butt off, and it had nothing to do with luck!

In the sentence that begins, "If the FEI..." you need a "then" (If...then). "If the FEI wishes..., then it may use the format already in place: the Horse Trial (CIC); however..." (however should not be used to start a sentence but may be used after a semi-colon).

I would also change the last sentence to read: "Such a mandate changes the entire heart of the sport." It's a little less awkward.

Sorry y'all--I have a concentration in English and do quite a bit of writing and editing. I'm a grammar Nazi and I can't help myself!

I think the ad looks great, and ya'll are amazing!

denny
Nov. 18, 2004, 12:24 PM
I just saw the ad. It`s FABULOUS! However, suggest you take my name out, and replace it with new (about to be) USEA president Kyra Stuart. People already know how I feel, and, besides, I`m at risk of sounding like the proverbial broken record. Another name, somewhere early on, former USEA president Walter Straus.
Denny

tle
Nov. 18, 2004, 01:11 PM
Love the ad... agree with the changes suggested both in the grammar and denny's suggestion (especially since the ad will appear near his article). USET Selector Jim Graham would be another name to possibly add as well, but Kyra's is a great one.

Pol
Nov. 18, 2004, 03:30 PM
I agree, the ad IS fabulous!! In addition to our English major's remarks, might I add a couple? 'In an online petition, we call for the following: Request a scientifically-led study...' Couldn't you simply say 'scientific study'? Then how about leaving that sentence to END at ...on the event horse.period. Then continue with what is in the parens re:early runs.
In paragraph 2, I would take out 'Luckily' and not insert 'Fortunately' at all. Just start the sentence: A grassroots...
Bingo on the mandate correction above- never end a sentence with a prep! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
This ad is so cool. You guys are just great. Thank you all again, so much!

bambam
Nov. 18, 2004, 03:42 PM
Agree with the suggested grammatical and wording changes suggested on this page.
But I also want to say I LOVE it!
Thank you for all the hard work you put into it!

Erin
Nov. 18, 2004, 03:58 PM
Money update! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I currently have $414 in PayPal contributions and $300 in checks. So I've got $714 in hand... only $175 to go!

asterix
Nov. 18, 2004, 04:01 PM
Hey, Erin, I think bigdreamer said in the T-shirt thread that we had $100 in profit there a few days ago -- and I think we voted to spend that on the ad, right?
So we are only 75$ away!!!

Erin
Nov. 18, 2004, 04:10 PM
I have a feeling we probably won't even need the t-shirt money... I only have about 5 checks now, and a LOT more people than that asked me for my address. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I haven't been following the thread too closely the last couple of days, but does anyone have suggestions for other places we might want to run the ad? We will most likely be able to cover the COTH ad and have some left over... and canterlope and one other poster have very generously offered to make up the difference if we came up short on the COTH ad.

For another $750, we could run a full page BW in Eventing magazine... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://eventingusa.com/publications/advertising_index.htm

titan
Nov. 18, 2004, 04:17 PM
I still have the eBay auction for the lightly used Woof Pro O/F Boots that if someone bids, I will donate the auction proceeds (less shipping). The boots are at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7113925047&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT so if you need a pair you can get them and support the 3 day campaign. The winner can just paypal Erin the winning bid and me the shipping.

GreyDawn
Nov. 18, 2004, 08:06 PM
TlE Have you thought of contacting SADDLETUDE.Com? They cover big events and one of the producers is a former Steeplchase jockey.IThey coverd Burghley HT snf others I think if you check out the web site you can decide if they offer another way to adverstise the cause.

bambam
Nov. 19, 2004, 06:28 AM
In response to Erin's question about other places to publish the ad, I think the first place we should do another ad is Eventing magazine. I think there is a huge contingency of eventers who are completely unaware of the petition, but would support it.
Maybe a second place (and to give credit where credit is due this was Miss C's idea but am happy to appropriate it http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) would be the Rolex program. Lots of people there who obviously enjoy the long format.

bigdreamer
Nov. 19, 2004, 07:59 AM
erin- is there any way to get a total from you at this point???

We have $145 from the t-shirts. Do we need it all? From the poll, a lot of people want to use all the t-shirt money for the ad, so- let me know!

I'll send the check ASAP once I hear from you! (sending you an e-mail right now for contact info- just posting so everyone else knows what's going on http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

titan
Nov. 19, 2004, 08:13 AM
There is at least 24.99 coming from my eBay auction. Will let you know final amount in a few hours.

Erin
Nov. 19, 2004, 09:45 AM
I'm still at $714, I believe. I can update again after my mail comes today.

We still have quite a bit of time, so don't worry about having to rush to send me the tshirt money. Hang onto it, and if we don't have enough by the end of next week, I'll let you know what I need.

Is anyone out there experienced with buying ad space? I don't mind doing it for the COTH since obviously they know me there and don't care if I don't do it exactly right. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif But if we want to start thinking ahead to doing one in Eventing magazine, I'd rather someone else (who knows what they're doing) make the actual "buy."

Did we ever get info on getting an actual non-profit started? I think that definitely needs to be looked into, since we've got a lot of money floating around here now and will be soliciting more donations.

deltawave
Nov. 19, 2004, 10:13 AM
How about ads in the Omnibus?

Sannois
Nov. 19, 2004, 10:17 AM
Great minds Lynn! I was just about to post that! Ummm I hate to be dumb, But where is the link to the ad. HAvent been on alot and I have catching up to do! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

bambam
Nov. 19, 2004, 10:40 AM
My only question about putting it in the Omnibus is that it might get fewer looks than in say Eventing magazine. I have no idea if I am unusual in this, but I rarely look at the omnibus other than to double check directions or look for some discrete piece of information. I usually plan my events based on the area website or the online omnibus, plus if it got placed in the Area 1 section of events, would people from Areas 2-10 ever see it?
I am not saying we should not do it, in part because I do not know how unusual I am or if it is way cheaper than placing it other places then it is still a good idea, but just asking if we could get better exposure somewhere else, like Eventing magazine which I read cover to cover http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Am I way off base?

frugalannie
Nov. 19, 2004, 10:46 AM
Since I just got my winter Omnibus, I assume the next one won't be out until next quarter. What is the expected timeframe for this petition? That may have an impact on which publication you want it to be in.

tle
Nov. 19, 2004, 10:50 AM
The petition will be "used" at the USEA meeting December 2-5, and the USET meeting mid-January IIRC. After that we can decide if we should take any of it to the FEI.

I'm also not sure the Omnibus is the best place. I think there are others that would be better -- Eventing (USEA publication), Eventing (UK publication), Hunter & Sport Horse, Horse & Hound... for that matter a bulk mailing to all USEA members.

Erin
Nov. 19, 2004, 10:58 AM
If we wanted to do an ad in Eventing, we would have to place an insertion order by Dec. 3. That would be for the January issue.

subk
Nov. 19, 2004, 11:29 AM
Well done, Jupes!

VetRep
Nov. 19, 2004, 12:00 PM
I wonder how John Nunn of Bit of Britain feels about this issue. I was just thinking...which publications do I reach for when I want an eventing "fix"? The Bit of Britain catalog is at the top of the list!

He is SUCH a huge "champion" of the sport--maybe he'd be willing to let us advertise in his catalog. That would surely be seen and respected by eventers everyehere. I'll give him a call, if you think its a good idea.

Sannois
Nov. 19, 2004, 12:09 PM
http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif Anyone??? Link to see the ad??? I seem to have missed it, havent ben on alot! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

oskaar
Nov. 19, 2004, 12:25 PM
Good idea VetRep... He did sign the petition. Erin, I would be happy to take care of getting the ad in Eventing, if that's what we decide to do.

Erin
Nov. 19, 2004, 12:33 PM
Sannois, a link to the revised ad is posted a page or two back, by me.

VetRep
Nov. 19, 2004, 12:36 PM
Even better! I didn't realize he signed the petition already. I'll call him right now.

bambam
Nov. 19, 2004, 12:40 PM
subk it is <pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">http://chronicleforums.com/ad2.pdf </pre>- if that does not work it was posted by Erin on page 5
I think putting it in Eventing magazine is great and we should definitely try but then we need to start collecting $ now since the deadline in December 3. I am happy to contribute but we need a designated $ collector again. If it is just a matter of collecting checks and getting them to the magainze, I can probably do it, but unlike Erin, most of you don't know me from a hole in the wall so I don't know if you are willing to send me $ that I might spend on, oh a new saddle or soemthing http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

titan
Nov. 19, 2004, 12:55 PM
Erin, need your paypal addy please.

Erin
Nov. 19, 2004, 01:14 PM
Titan, I will PT it to you ... I'd rather not post it.

I don't mind continuing to collect money. Actually, it makes sense, because I will likely end up with more than we need for the COTH ad anyway.

Money update... I got another $50 in the mail today. So that brings me to $764 in hand.

annikak
Nov. 19, 2004, 01:29 PM
Erin=
just paypal'ed you $$ Let me know if you get it!
Annika

Erin
Nov. 19, 2004, 01:40 PM
Yep, got it....

Counting the last couple of paypals I got, we're up to $846. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Janet
Nov. 19, 2004, 02:27 PM
Erin,

Would it be OK to distribute copies of the ad with the URL removed, or replaced by the URL for the petition?

Janet

Erin
Nov. 19, 2004, 02:46 PM
Oh sure... I just think it looks really unprofessional to direct people to a URL that doesn't exist yet. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

You could always use Jupes's first version, that has the Michigan CTA URL on it.

I am going to work on the website this evening... so I might have something decent looking up by tomorrow.

Tom King
Nov. 19, 2004, 02:54 PM
Erin, Sorry for the trouble but could you email me an address that I could send a check to. We did away with credit cards and I don't want to punch in the #s to the ATM card anywhere but the bank. A bit old fashioned I know but we don't do credit. Thanks,

none...
Nov. 19, 2004, 02:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VetRep:
I wonder how John Nunn of Bit of Britain feels about this issue. I was just thinking...which publications do I reach for when I want an eventing "fix"? The Bit of Britain catalog is at the top of the list!

He is SUCH a huge "champion" of the sport--maybe he'd be willing to let us advertise in his catalog. That would surely be seen and respected by eventers everyehere. I'll give him a call, if you think its a good idea. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

John Nunn has his name on the petition. I wonder if he would be willing to put anything in BoB. You arent a true eventer if you dont have a BoB magazine!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I also REALLY like the eventing mag. ad idea. I bet it would get a ton more hits than the omnibus (though still a good idea.) I read the eventing mag. cover to cover and inside out, but the omnibus I only quickly flip through. I think people would be more likley to pick up on the ad in the eventing magazine. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sannois
Nov. 19, 2004, 03:16 PM
Wow its excellent! This is really something for us to all be proud of! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif What a wonderful effort!

deltawave
Nov. 19, 2004, 03:49 PM
I guess that makes me an oddball...I read the Omnibus cover to cover! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif I like to see what other events have to offer besides the ones I'm familiar with, and it's kind of fun to fantasize about heading to Florida for the winter and doing a show every weekend... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Pol
Nov. 19, 2004, 04:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by deltawave:
I guess that makes me an oddball...I read the Omnibus cover to cover! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif I like to see what other events have to offer besides the ones I'm familiar with, and it's kind of fun to fantasize about heading to Florida for the winter and doing a show every weekend... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
DW, MEEE TOOOO!!!!
I think the Eventing mag is probably the right one tho- what about Practical?

none...
Nov. 19, 2004, 04:32 PM
Na, I dont think I would go with practicle. The level of riders they have been writing for has dropped a lot in the last year or so. I know a lot of my friends have not renewed their subscription. But I guess it still may be an option...


as for the omnibus, maybe I need to go flip through that thing. Apparently Im missing out on some fun!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sannois
Nov. 19, 2004, 04:37 PM
I agree with Allie, about Practical. I dropped the sub as well, Its nothing like it used to be!

Erin
Nov. 19, 2004, 04:57 PM
I think COTH and Eventing would be a pretty good start. Between those two and promotion at the annual USEA meeting and area meetings, I have to think word will reach the majority of eventers.

I think I will have a rough draft website ready by later this evening. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Although the domain name is still not resolving, which is odd... usually they don't take quite this long.

Edited to add... rough draft is ready! (Although the URL still isn't working.) Go to: http://168.144.172.97

Erin
Nov. 19, 2004, 10:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VetRep:
Even better! I didn't realize he signed the petition already. I'll call him right now. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey VetRep, don't know if you managed to get hold of him yet or not, but BoB sends out a weekly (?) email with info on sales and specials and stuff like that. Maybe ask if the petition/website/whatever could be mentioned in the email?

Sonesta
Nov. 20, 2004, 08:12 AM
erin, send me the paypal email address so I can contribute to the ad fund.

gillenwaterfarm
Nov. 20, 2004, 02:14 PM
I noticed that the url in the ad is incorrect?

It is written as www.savethethreeday.org (http://www.savethethreeday.org).

Erin
Nov. 20, 2004, 04:14 PM
Yeah, the URL in the ad needs to be fixed.

Sonesta, I'll send you a PT.

Sonesta
Nov. 20, 2004, 08:32 PM
got it and sent my paypal contribution.

Erin
Nov. 20, 2004, 09:16 PM
Money update! Still have $300 in checks and now up to $541.48 in PayPal contributions for a total of $841.48. We're about $50 from having the COTH ad paid for. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And the website appears to be working at the http://www.savethe3day.org URL now...

Gnep
Nov. 21, 2004, 02:51 AM
Has anybody thought about printing a sticker. If not than I would like to do that.
It could be sold.
I would advance the produktion cost.

If this whole operation would be put into a nonprofit, it could help to get more money flowing, taxdeductable.

If there is no stiker it has to wait since I will be for 8 days in Kraut Country.

deltawave
Nov. 21, 2004, 05:30 AM
Gnep, you can get bumper stickers, shirts, hats, etc. at the "Save the 3 Day" store. (http://www.cafepress.com/eventingforlife)

Erin
Nov. 22, 2004, 03:17 PM
Money update!

I have $360 in checks and $580 in PayPal contributions for a total of $940. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif So the COTH ad is paid for. (Although I still think we should try for an Eventing magazine ad too. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

Schrat
Nov. 22, 2004, 05:09 PM
@erin,

here are still 65 dollars waiting to be mailed, if you would give me your address, pliiiiiieeeeeezzzzzze????? If You already did, try again, I didn't get it.

Erin
Nov. 22, 2004, 05:13 PM
Schrat, please PT or email me, and I'll send it to you. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Email is COTHCatHerder *at* yahoo *dot* com.

bambam
Nov. 23, 2004, 07:11 AM
So are we officially trying for the Eventing Mag ad too? If we are, I will paypal another contribution but won't bother if we aren't since COTH is paid for.
Deadline is next week, isn't it Erin?
I really think we should try to do it. What does everyone else think?

tle
Nov. 23, 2004, 08:21 AM
I think hitting them both is the way to go. I have to wait for payday but will then be making a contribution. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

mcd
Nov. 23, 2004, 09:59 AM
OK I will admit I just clicked on the topic, read the first page and the last page, and don't actually have any idea what you guys are talking about.

I'm ASSUMING you want to do an ad in the Chronicle to promote a save the traditional 3-day etc... but I can't find anything on the first page that tells me this (and since I don't subscribe, I can no longer actually read any part of the magazine which is a shame). Can ANYONE fill me in on what is going on? I am a professional photographer if more photos are needed.

Also - what did the Chronicle say when asked to donate ad space or cut the rate towards a cause that will affect them? (I repeat, I did not read all 8 pages so perhaps this is already looked after...)

~ Michelle

subk
Nov. 23, 2004, 11:47 AM
Update for mcd:
Denny Emerson started another thread wanting information as to "how this whole thing got started." He is writing his next "Between the Rounds" column on how the petition got started. Immeadiatley this savvy group realized that a Save the 3-Day ad running in tandem with the column would be a good thing. So we started this thread so as not to hijacks denny, and the previous eigth pages are all about creating the ad and raising funds. The COTH ad has now expanded to a placement in "Eventing Mag" as well. I'm not sure of the cost.

Jupes created the ad. Erin negotiated with COTH and became the funds collector via paypal and snail mail. The rest of us sent money as we could and offered advice.

mcd
Nov. 23, 2004, 06:12 PM
Thank you subk, I meant no disrespect and I appreciate you taking the time to explain to me.

Please email me on mdunn at canadafilm dot com if it is not too late perhaps Dara or Jo at Eventing might be persuaded as well to reduce their advertising rate for so many of their readers and members who are obviously putting a great deal of effort into raising funds for a cause they support.

The website looks first rate btw. I'm sorry I found out about this so late in the game!

michelle.

tbpalsx2
Nov. 23, 2004, 09:16 PM
Mike Hillman wrote an interesting article on what will happen to racetrack rejects without the long format. Just FYI if you want to add something else to your article section on the web site.

Without The Long Format, What Will Become of Race Track Rejects?
Website:

Emmitsburg.net

tbpalsx2
Nov. 23, 2004, 09:20 PM
Without The Long Format, What Will Become of Race Track Rejects?

Mike Hillman

In 2002, Secret Intention was a hot 8-year-old Thoroughbred who had just won a steeplechase, but was not fast enough to make it a career. Prior to that try at steeplechasing, his life was spent at the flat track. When I got on him, he threw me off. As I trotted him over a fence, he threw me off. He had one watch eye, four white socks and an attitude. It took me half an hour to load him. As we drove away and I listened to him kick the trailer wall, I wondered why I had bought him.

Today, he's without a doubt the finest horse I have ever owned.

How many of us have gone horse shopping and had a horse presented that "didn't have the moves for dressage," or "didn't have the jump for the show ring," or "was too hot for a hack horse," but "would make an excellent event horse."

At one time, the ranks of eventing were filled with these dressage, hunter and hacking rejects. We knew little about their race record, nor did we care. All we knew was that they had come into our care for only a fraction of their original pre-race price, and now they were priceless.

We laughed at the head toss and the buck in dressage,

knowing we would make up the points lost to those steady warmbloods with our fast and clean cross-county run. While the warmbloods huffed and puffed their way around the steeplechase, racking up penalty points like a slot-machine gone nuts, Thoroughbreds were in seventh heaven flying effortlessly over fences and around the courses.

In days of old, one didn't have to take out a second mortgage on the farm for a new mount to be competitive. Because cost was never really an issue, the ranks of the sport were open to any rider with the will to do it and the brains to follow through. You didn't have to be rich to be good. Eventing was the ultimate egalitarian equestrian sport.

For the castoffs from the tracks, eventing was their back up career, their Plan C (steeplechasing usually the Plan B). Eventing gave a purpose to that speed. Maybe they didn't have the speed for the track, but it sure was useful in eventing. Eventing gave these race-track rejects a second purpose, a chance for glory. It required stamina, ability, heart, and most of all brains. Sadly, those days seem to be fading.

Slowly, eventing has been shifting to favor the warm-bloods and heavier mixed breeds. I personally never did understand the addition of the second 10 minute hold box at a three day—other than to level the cross country phases playing field for the warmbloods—to give them time to recover—something the Thoroughbreds didn't and don't need.

Having lost their natural edge on the cross country phase, dressage has become the deciding factor in many events. The outright elimination of the steeplechase phase in the Olympic format will only increase the weighting on the dressage phase, putting upward pressure on the price of success.

The recent modifications to the format of the Olympic event only further erode the Thoroughbred's chances, weighing the odds even more against our fleet-footed friend.

As dressage scores increasingly come to dominate the sport, riders will no longer head to the local race track for their next mount. Bidding wars for a horse that can win the dressage phases will start, indeed, already have started. It'll not take long for eventers to realize that one's ranking at the end of the day is reflective of the price one paid for the horse. And many, unable to bear the increasing costs to be competitive, will choose not to participate.

Which brings me back to my loony ex-race horse—had I not come along, what would have been his fate? What will become of all the racehorses? Who's going to put up with all their shenanigans when their speed and endurance no longer give them an edge?

I was proud of our sport for being able to offer a second chance, for "recycling," for being a sport that found some-thing good in something old.

I like being part of a sport that put higher value in what was in a horse's heart, mind, and spirit, than in his pedigree. I liked being in a sport where a kid without two nickels to rub together had the same chance of winning as one born with a silver spoon in his mouth.

The race track is not going to cease producing horses, and thus there will always be race-track rejects. What will be-come of these off-casts in our increasingly disposable, throw-away world? I cast my vote in favor of keeping the steeple-chase phase, and while we're at it, let's deep six the extra 10 minute hold box, and in doing so, give a second chance to all the Secret Intentions of the world and hope to every kid, rich or poor, that they too can one day represent the U.S. at a `real' Olympic Three Day Event.

Pol
Nov. 24, 2004, 05:12 AM
Well, THAT brought me to my knees. What a beautifully written essay, and so true it makes me weep.
How is it that so many of us can so clearly see the ruination of an extraordinary sport and yet the 'short format' marches on?

Gnep
Nov. 24, 2004, 03:46 PM
I have to make the very sade anouncement, that Harlekin 334 at age 7 died today because of a broken leg. She was a true 3D eventer.
But I will not give up and try again.

So I will donate the Eventer ad in Her name

Pol
Nov. 24, 2004, 04:44 PM
Gnep, I am so, so sorry for your tragedy. What a very sad thing. Do you have any pictures you'd like to share? I love your spirit and attitude. Keep on keeping on.

eventer4ever
Nov. 24, 2004, 05:22 PM
What a beautiful essay....I have a track reject and he was by far the best money I ever spent. We have gone from Beginner Novice to Prelim and it looks he can do more! He loves to run and jump and he does it well.

Tom King
Nov. 24, 2004, 06:13 PM
tbpalsx2, I stand to initiate a standing ovation and raise a glass in toast!!!!!!!!!!!

Gnep
Nov. 25, 2004, 12:41 AM
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/guehardt/detail?.dir=d6d9&.dnm=6cf6.jpg&.src=ph

HARLEKIN; Rebecca Farm, Montana, Intermediat

deltawave
Nov. 25, 2004, 07:15 AM
Gnep, what a tragedy--I'm so sorry. She was a beautiful mare, and so talented for a young horse!

RacetrackReject
Nov. 25, 2004, 08:14 AM
I'm so sorry Gnep.

I also have a question about the ads. What about putting one in the USEF magazine? I never thought about it until I received the e-mail flyer they send every week. I'll post it below. I know this wouldn't be a congratulatory ad, but I don't see how that would make a difference. Even if it was something, it might get attention.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Celebrate Their Achievements!

Congratulate your favorite rider, horse or trainer with a congratulatory ad in EQUESTRIAN magazine.

The March 2005 issue is the annual Horse of the Year Awards issue. Ad space closes January 31.

Show them how special they are by celebrating their victory with a congratulatory ad. Special rates are available for USEF members.

For more information or to schedule your ad contact:
West of the Mississippi
Kim Russell
(859) 225-6938
krussell@usef.org

East of the Mississippi
Crissi Eggers
(859) 225-6936
ceggers@usef.org

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

asterix
Nov. 25, 2004, 09:27 AM
Gnep, we are so sad to hear your news. What a beautiful mare she was!

Erin
Nov. 26, 2004, 04:21 PM
Gnep, I'm sorry to hear about your mare.

Here's an update on funds collected... today was the deadline for people to contribute to the COTH ad (although I think I might still have a check on the way from overseas... have to dig back through my email for the info on that one), and as of right now, I have $580 in PayPal contributions and $470 in checks for a total of $1050. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

canterlope
Nov. 27, 2004, 12:20 AM
Hey Erin, since it looks like the COTH ad is covered, how much more do we need to cover an ad in the Eventing News magazine?

Erin
Nov. 27, 2004, 07:58 PM
The COTH ad will be $890, so we have about $160 extra. (Plus I am still expecting at least one more donation.) I think we also have about $200 in cafepress profits, so we've got about $400 extra, total.

From the info on the USEA website, it looks like an ad in Eventing would be $750, although no one has confirmed that with them yet. So we'd need about another $350 or so. (Assuming we were going to put the tshirt money toward an ad... I don't recall what the final decision was on that.)

canterlope, I'm going to send you a PT in a bit.

Lisamarie8
Nov. 28, 2004, 06:09 AM
Hey Erin!

You're correct about the 750 for eventing mag, and that's a net rate.

I've been working my ass off with school, but I was a media director for 7+ years, if y'all need ANY help planning or placing media drop me a line and I'll do whatever I can to help.

lgdehart (at) radford (dot) edu

Gnep
Nov. 28, 2004, 10:42 AM
Erin,
lets keep the t-schirt money as the savings acc.
I will pay for the eventing ad in full.
I just want a line adeed that this one is in memory of my HARLEKIN:
I am abroad and back hopefully on tuesday and I will send the check out as soon as I am back.

frugalannie
Nov. 28, 2004, 01:35 PM
Gnep, I just had a chance to catch up with this thread. I'm so sorry about Harlekin. What a lovely mare (I'm very partial to mares!). And what a generous and thoughtful tribute you've decided to make to her.

To whomever is designing the ad: is there anyway to get a small pic of Harlekin added without distracting from the content?

Gnep, I hope your sorrow has been eased by the good memories by the time you return.

Schrat
Nov. 28, 2004, 02:28 PM
@frugalannie

if that would help you till gnep is back?

I'm ever so sorry about Harlekin, have no words.

My Tribute to The Queen (http://users.telenet.be/horses/agrar/harlekin.jpg)

Gry2Yng
Nov. 28, 2004, 03:55 PM
gnep,
Thank you for your generosity. My sympathies on the loss of your wonderful partner.

gry

bambam
Nov. 29, 2004, 07:35 AM
Gnep,
I am so so sorry about your mare http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
What a generous offer you made and a nice tribute to her.

Jupes
Nov. 29, 2004, 07:41 AM
Firstly, Gnep, my deepest sympathies. You have my wishes during this time.


Now that I'm back from vacation, can someone update me on the ad status? Before I left, I knew that the ad is due this Friday. From some quick browsing, it looks like there are some grammatical changes. I promise I will go back and read all the pages I missed, but if I could get a quick summary, that'd be great. Thanks!

Erin
Nov. 30, 2004, 07:52 AM
Jupes, yes, it needs to get to COTH by Friday. The one biggie correction that needs to be made is the website URL... it's www.savethe3day.org (http://www.savethe3day.org).

Oskaar, I sent you a PT about reserving space with USEA. Lisamarie8 said she'd help out too, so if you'd rather, I'll ask her... but I think we need to reserve space by Friday.

GotSpots
Nov. 30, 2004, 08:35 AM
Gnep - my sincerest condolences. It has been a sad, sad year. As I mentioned to Erin, I would also be happy to help cover whatever might be needed.

Gnep
Dec. 1, 2004, 06:47 AM
GotSpots,
This has been not a sad year, by no means. It has been a year like every other one.
The nature of live with horses includes Uncle Murphy and once in a while that misserable sucker wins.Evnting is probably the most frustrating but glorious sport one can do. But it teaches one lesson, when one get hit hard and is actualy out for the count, thats when one gets up and does it, because of it, no matter what.
Aint a sport for quitter.
I call it the Ironie of Live.

Pol
Dec. 1, 2004, 07:35 AM
Well said, Gnep, well said.

ponygrl
Dec. 2, 2004, 09:40 PM
I have not read this thread in a few weeks, Gue, you have the new mexico contingent's greatest sympathy. Your mare was amazing. How is Wildfire holding up? I hope you are doing well considering, and that your trip home goes well. All I can think of is how good she looked coming in off of D at Galway...