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TrotTrotPumpkn
Apr. 14, 2011, 03:31 PM
Just wondering what you did when you bought your place (or have had to replace stuff)? I'm talking about old, rusted t-posts and barb wire--that kind of stuff.

Second, wonder if you were looking at a place that had a monstrous trash and tree limb pile, or old equipment, or whatever lying around--did you write it in that the seller has to dispose of it (and burial doesn't count)? I somehow don't see that happening like it should...

katarine
Apr. 14, 2011, 03:35 PM
You can have it written into the contract that it is removed from the property by the seller. You'd want to eagle eye that it's done as described, not just buried if buried offends you. Or knock the price down to offset you having it removed to your specs.

Bluey
Apr. 14, 2011, 03:41 PM
Contact local builders and ask who they use to clean up for them.
Then call those and get a bid on cleaning the places you are looking into.
Then work that into your bid.

Any of those "junk removal specialists" will have a skidloader with grapples, a dump trailer or truck and make short time of any trash at a very reasonable cost, especially if you are close to any city dump.

Be sure, if there are trash piles, that your buying contract specifies any penalties, or whatever your attorney calls it, for anything that is hazardous or an enviromental problem and needs to be cleaned with special care.

jacksmom
Apr. 14, 2011, 03:47 PM
for me a lot would have to do with the price of the property.

if i felt like i was paying a premium, then i would write into the contract that the sellers remove the debris (and not just bury it).

if the property were priced with the knowledge that there were unfinished projects galore (like ours was/is) then i would expect to clean up the mess after closing.

MistyBlue
Apr. 14, 2011, 04:42 PM
Usually a buyer asks to have very visible trash removed from the property before closing...pre final walk through. This would include trash such as piles of stuff not organic or same type of stuff strewn about.

Completely normal to have that in writing in the contract. Did it myself countless times.

But brush, branches, etc...usually left/not asked for clean up. Unless it's a suburban neighborhood house.

If a large amount of clean up/removal is needed then you can either ask for it's removal (stress removal and not burial) before closing, knocking the price down to cover the cost of removal or asking for cost of removal at closing.

It's a very common bargaining point...comes in handy for back and forth negotiations. (seller says no, will not remove for that purchase price but will for this counter offer, or seller knows they can remove it cheap and so agree since it's not financially detrimental to them, etc)

I've written anything from piles of rusted old junk to be removed to an above ground pool drained and removed into contracts. Sometimes you get an agreement, sometimes you get denied. It's all part of the negotiation process.

If you have manpower, time, tractor and ability to rent a large dumpster...then walk the property carefully and decide if it's better for your bargaining position to do it yourself after closing.

But farms are notorious for having scads of junk laying around that the owners don't want to take with them or deal with. It can sometimes come in handy though. Had one property I sold to buyers who ranted about the old barn being loaded down with "junky trashy old appliances." They pitched a fit wanting them removed before closing, I warned them to keep quiet and have them left over. They finally agreed, after closing I sent out auction house owner. He bought the lot of old stainless steel huge sinks, restaurant refridgerators and freezers, 2 older fry-o-laters, etc for $8k. :eek: :D :eek: (he probably doubled that after cleaning them up, making a few repairs and auctioning them off)

So keep an eye out for possible deals. Certain metals and junk can be worth quite a bit. :winkgrin:

Alagirl
Apr. 14, 2011, 05:14 PM
I don't know if they are equipped for it, but I had some people come by the house a few times and remove metal trash from my dumpster - with permission!
They even hauled the huge metal pipe that held a basket ball goal after it crashed down in a storm (years and years of weed eating at the base had cut the pipe to about 1/4 of the original material...it crashed across the drive, about 2 feet behind my van!:eek:)

There is some money in the scrap business, so if you have such items, there might be somebody picking it up for free.

shakeytails
Apr. 14, 2011, 09:30 PM
Around here you can get rid of just about anything if you put a "free" sign next to it!!!

fordtraktor
Apr. 14, 2011, 11:34 PM
As a buyer, I would expect to clean it up myself and get the place up to my specifications. You can try to get the seller to do it, of course, but good luck. When I moved to my farm last year, I spent 6 hard weeks cleaning up pastures, completely cleaning the barn, and otherwise getting the place in shape. Then every day since I try to spend about an hour doing something farm-improvement related, on top of basic chores. There is still plenty to go. It is the nature of farms.

Last weekend we burned two HUGE brush piles of my gleanings. I already have a quite sizable one built up again! Not to mention the non-combustable stuff I've taken to the dump, which is anything not organic or that might contain nails.

CatOnLap
Apr. 15, 2011, 11:17 AM
yeah, most offers to buy are assumed to be on the place as viewed on a particular date, junky or not. Most sellers would have made some effort to clean up if possible for them, prior to listing. If it hasn't been done, assume the junk will still be there on date of possession, and work the cleanup budget into your offer.

Yoiu can also write a clause into the offer specifiying that the junk be removed, but if it isn't gone when you take possession, which is often the case in spite of such clauses, it is expensive to chase the seller for the costs after the deal is done.

saddleup
Apr. 15, 2011, 01:12 PM
When I bought my place they left a ton of their junk, even though it was in the contract that it be removed. As CatOnLap said, it would have been a ton of trouble to track the sellers down, and by the time I got in the house I was worn down by the process so didn't pursue it.

I hired a contractor to remove the old barn and prep the site for a new one, and in that process he hauled away the junk.

My very nice new neighbors found out how much stuff was left and word ended up getting back to the sellers how I was left with their mess and had to pay to get it cleaned up. Imagine my shock when the seller showed up one day with $100 to "pay for the clean up". It cost more than that, but I definitely couldn't believe they'd offered anything. I guess they felt their reputation had suffered, even though I hadn't bad-mouthed them.

The clean up clause in the contract had no effect, but since the sellers were still in the area they stepped up after the fact.

DakotaTA
Apr. 15, 2011, 02:41 PM
Just post anything metal on Craigslist for free. You'll be inundated with takers. I listed the old rusty radio tower on my house on Craigslist and it was gone in 15 minutes. I ended up hiring the guy who took it to paint the whole inside of the house and he and his muscle-bound son also helped us finish up moving from the old house to the new one, including moving the hot tub.

Drive NJ
Apr. 15, 2011, 03:04 PM
A friend bought a really run down farm - no house, just a converted pig shed as her first farm. Spent years working on it to bring it up to snuff.

One of the first projects was removing the really old truck that was buried in the field that was going to be the ring. When her neighbors found out about the truck, the universal first question was "was anybody buried in it' :eek: :D

AnotherRound
Apr. 15, 2011, 04:39 PM
These things are either done with making an offer of an amount - for example, you finally say, oh-KAY, I'll give you your price, BUT you have to have all the junk cleaned up on the property (and outline that ), OR, you can say, I'll give you your price, less the 3500 I will have to pay for cleaning up the junk you left, based on the estimate of 3500 I got from XX to have it done.

That way, the seller, who didn't want to clean it up when it was his property, can walk away, and you can be compensated for what it would take you to clean it up, AND..AND.. you get to supervise and make sure it was done properly, a win win all around, I'd say.

ReSomething
Apr. 15, 2011, 07:42 PM
We have an old truck graveyard too, and I looked at that and thought "there is no way that anybody who dozed that and thought it was the way to get rid of it is going to remove that to my satisfaction". I asked that the lawn be mowed before I took possession and it was, two weeks before so I had to scramble to find a landscaper to come out and mow for me. Use it as a negotiating tool but don't really expect to not have to do it yourself.

Chief2
Apr. 16, 2011, 10:25 AM
Turn the barb wire into cash.

http://www.countrycrittersandmore.com/wreaths.html

http://www.poncavalley.com/wreath.html

http://www.etsy.com/search_results.php?search_type=all&includes[0]=tags&search_query=barbed+wire+wreaths&page=1&ref=related

IronwoodFarm
Apr. 16, 2011, 12:36 PM
Lots so scrap metal collectors out there that will take old t-posts and barbed wire. We have been removing old barbed wire from a parcel and our neighbor asked to have it. We were delighted.

On brush piles, etc. What MistyBlue said is right on. Unless it is something really onerous to get rid of or you are paying some premium price for the property, I wouldn't haggle over it. We were lucky enough to get our farm from an estate where there heirs did not want to spend a dime on the house or cleaning up the property. So we go it for a terrific price and took care of its ourselves. It is amazing how quickly a wood chipper, some trips to the dump and a contained fire can reduce trash piles to nothing. We had 3 that we dealt with and cost a little money and some sweat equity.

If you were the seller, it is always best to have the property look as nice as possible. If you are the buyer and you don't need a pristine turnkey property, seeing the prince under all the frog warts can really pay off. Buying this farm was certainly one of the best investments I ever made.

eponacelt
Apr. 16, 2011, 08:24 PM
When I bought my place they left a ton of their junk, even though it was in the contract that it be removed. As CatOnLap said, it would have been a ton of trouble to track the sellers down, and by the time I got in the house I was worn down by the process so didn't pursue it.



Is there an emoticon for sad, sad laughter? I completely identify with this quote...I was just too worn down after 3 months under contract (and living in two itsy bitsy temporary places with a husband and two dogs in the worst snow winter VA has seen in decades) to push any further about the trash.

Unfortunately, we ended up taking 4,000 lbs of trash out of the house and off the property. More than 1200lbs of that came out of the HOUSE itself, AND we had to take her fishtank and three cats. AND we had to force the seller to put money in escrow because of the trash. Trust me - the $300 we eeked out of them wasn't nearly enough. At the time, I was just glad to get the &*^%$#@ lady out of "my" house, but as we spent weeks cleaning things up, I wished we'd written more into the contract. Either asked for more money in escrow, or written more into the initial contract.

That said - I don't think there is something that is universally the "custom". If you can be savvy enough to write something good for you into the contract, then DO IT. If not, just be happy with what you're getting and deal with it. Real estate is wild and wooly...so good luck!

MeghanDACVA
Apr. 17, 2011, 02:59 PM
Load up any of the metal stuff you can take it to a steel re-cycling place (scrap steel dealer). You can get some decent money for it. We had a bunch of old t-posts. Took some to a local weekly farm auction. Took some to the scarp yard. Got more at the scrap yard.

Alagirl
Apr. 17, 2011, 03:07 PM
Load up any of the metal stuff you can take it to a steel re-cycling place (scrap steel dealer). You can get some decent money for it. We had a bunch of old t-posts. Took some to a local weekly farm auction. Took some to the scarp yard. Got more at the scrap yard.

sometimes it is worth to let somebody else do it though, to offset the labor involved :)

CatOnLap
Apr. 17, 2011, 08:28 PM
Unfortunately, we ended up taking 4,000 lbs of trash out of the house and off the property. More than 1200lbs of that came out of the HOUSE itself, AND we had to take her fishtank and three cats.

twins raised apart we are. Our seller did come back for her cats the following day. The junk- YIKES-the basement was piled floor to ceiling with stacks of old newspapers and books. We burned paper for weeks in the trash pile.