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technopony
Mar. 27, 2011, 02:03 PM
I'm looking at a Chevy Silverado 2500 with a short bed. I currently have a bumper pull, but hope to get a gooseneck in the near future. I have friends who haul 2-3 horse goosenecks with shortbed trucks who say its fine, but the dealer mentioned that some trailers would be a problem.

Does anyone have any advice or experience to share? The trailer would be a 2-horse, something like this:

http://www.sundownertrailer.com/trailers/horse/gooseneck/straight_load/sunLite_777

Thanks for any help!

Aerial
Mar. 27, 2011, 02:22 PM
Shouldn't be a problem

wsmoak
Mar. 27, 2011, 02:29 PM
The more angled the nose of the trailer is, the better. That's the part that will come through your rear window if you turn too sharp. ;)

You won't have the flexibility to jack the trailer around 90+ degrees to the truck like you can with a long bed, but in general it still works. I think the trailers that cause the most trouble are RVs or the ones with the big square fronts.

We just bought an F250 and there were no long bed extended cabs to be found -- I'd have had to take a crew cab to get the long bed, and I'm not sure *that* would have fit in the garage! So, short bed it is. I don't have the hitch installed yet but I backed it up to the trailer and it looks fine.

Years ago my friend borrowed my trailer (Logan Coach) and pulled it with her short bed Dodge and didn't have any trouble.

Since you're getting the truck first, you'll be able to check the clearance before you buy the trailer. I wouldn't worry too much if that's the truck you want.

deltawave
Mar. 27, 2011, 02:29 PM
I have a short bed F350 and a brand new Merhow gooseneck. The dealer (our own Tobruk) had me purposely manhandle the rig into a near-jackknife situation (and showed me how to extricate myself, LOL) and the gooseneck portion was in NO danger of walloping the truck, ever. The trailer does have a slightly tapered nose, which I believe makes a difference. If there is any potential for collision, you can buy an extension for the ball that moves the trailer back 6-8".

Bluey
Mar. 27, 2011, 02:37 PM
There is also a short bed that is a foot longer, you can ask for that.
My short bed is not 5 1/2' but 6 1/2'.

Or you can get the gooseneck extension mentioned if you do later feel you have a problem.

A friend just went to trade and for just a few hundred dollars more he got what he wanted in a ton pickup, the 3500, not 2500, same mileage, etc. and is very happy with it.
He said there was not any difference in size for driving or handling, just that much more power.
That would also be another option.

rmh_rider
Mar. 27, 2011, 03:04 PM
I currently have a 2011 chevy short bed crew cab duramax. I had a 2002 short bed gas chevy king cab. No problem with hauling a bumper or a goose.

Only thing on the 2011 is the truck is higher off the ground than the 2002 so had to adjust the gooseneck stem down a bit.

Also the bed on the 2011 is a bit different being the ball is a bit in front of the axle. There is a huge beam/support in the middle of the bed underneath. So the business which does the hitch puts it just a hair in front of the center. You do not want somebody to drill or cut through that support underneath. There is an adapter you can get so it puts the hitch further back. I didn't get it. Pulls just fine. I have a goose right now, but do have a drop down extender to pull a bp.

You would never notice pulling or a visual the hitch being just a hair in front of the axle's. My friends older ford is like that. Pulls fine.

I would RUN FAST away from the dealer at $1600. Find a reputable business to install your new hitch. STAY away from the dealer. That is a rip off. Mine cost a couple hundred bucks. The dealer more than likely would take the truck to this place have the hitch installed then bring back to dealership for you. Oh, and charge a huge premium for the service. They usually do not do those in-house. You want somebody who knows how to do it, and do it really well, and will do a great job.

Bluey
Mar. 27, 2011, 03:45 PM
For what I have been told by all gooseneck experts, the ball is supposed to be a few inches in front of the back axle, to work as intended.
Those that are mounted like that are the correct ones.:yes:

rmh_rider
Mar. 27, 2011, 03:49 PM
Oh thanks, that is some great info Bluey. I have always wondered. I have had no issues with the ball where it is located now on the 2011. Cool and thanks again for the info.

Fairview Horse Center
Mar. 27, 2011, 03:56 PM
I haul by gooseneck with a short bed (6.5') Dodge half ton. It does a great job. The short bed with the longer cab can actually haul more weight, and is more stable than the full size with a standard cab on my type truck.

The biggest issue is that when backing in a tight jackknife, you may hit the window with some trailers - mine is one that would. Still, I can turn it around in a TINY parking lot, it just takes a few moves, and I stay aware not too get too much of a jackknife.

The other issue I was told is that the turnover ball may not be safe to turnover as it may damage the differential. I have not tried that. I just leave mine upright, but was told to remove it if needed, rather than flip and put it back in the hole.

shawneeAcres
Mar. 27, 2011, 04:04 PM
I have always had short bed trucks and pulled goosenecks, just be careful not to totally jackknife it when turning and never had any problems

Personal Champ
Mar. 27, 2011, 06:48 PM
I have an 06 F350 short bed and a 07 Featherlite. Never any problems and I have crammed it into some serious places.

foggybok
Mar. 27, 2011, 07:24 PM
I have a short bed Dodge. No problem with my 2008 Kiefer. It is tapered in front.

technopony
Mar. 27, 2011, 07:53 PM
Thanks for all the replies! Sounds like it should work fine - and this one is actually 6 1/2 ft rather than 5 1/2, so added bonus there.

Digit2009
Mar. 28, 2011, 01:24 AM
I have a short bed F250 and a 2 H Sundowner gooseneck. Had no problems at all but for the 1 incident. I found out about the jackknifing thing at my own expenses. I jackknifed the truck while trying to park the trailer in a tight spot. My eyes were on the trailer and then I heard a huge pop, as my back truck window 'exploded' LOL. Learned a valuable lesson and have been super careful ever since. Luckily my insurance covered it, but I was at a horse show and used up 2 rolls of duct tape taping up the window opening LOL Sound scared the pants off me :-)

Lovinglife5757
Mar. 28, 2011, 07:41 AM
I have always had short bed trucks and pulled goosenecks, just be careful not to totally jackknife it when turning and never had any problems

^ Yep. :)

fordtraktor
Mar. 28, 2011, 08:37 AM
I have a 5.5 foot short bed and a square-fronted Hawk. I got a 9-inch gooseneck extender that makes it impossible to jackknife/crunch the cab. One less thing to worry about. My extender is built into the coupler, not the ball.

Pcostx
Mar. 28, 2011, 08:43 AM
For ANY truck and trailer questions I would recommend going to Horse Trailer World.

You can search the forum or post a new question. You will get great information from folks that are professional haulers and KNOW horses, trucks AND trailers.

I've learned a ton there.

Here is the link or you can just search Google/Yahoo, etc:

http://www.horsetrailerworld.com/forum/forum-view.asp?forumid=2

SonnysMom
Mar. 28, 2011, 01:03 PM
Friend broke 2 back windows on her short bed truck before she traded the truck back to the dealer. I think she only kept the truck for a couple of months before trading it back.

She has a slightly tapered front on the trailer. However she pretty much has to jackknife her trailer to get it turned around in her drive.
I am pretty sure the truck she had was one with a 6 1/2 foot bed but she did not have the coupler extender thingy.

shortbusgeek
Mar. 28, 2011, 05:49 PM
We have a shortbed F350 crew cab and a Sundowner 740... never had any problems. I can get it to just over 90 degrees before I have to stop. As someone else mentioned, there's an adapter that you can put on the trailer that shifts it back a little bit.

HoofaSchmigetty
Mar. 29, 2011, 11:44 AM
Just make sure you have a spare rear window around...the question is not IF you hit your back window...it's WHEN!!!

Fairview Horse Center
Mar. 29, 2011, 12:26 PM
Axtually, I have not even gotten close, and I have had the trailer for almost 2 years. If you are used to a bumper pull that can also jackknife and damage your vehicle, you won't have a problem. I am always watching how much I tightly jackknife, but it is pretty rare that you need to go that tight anyway.

I was riding with a person with a full size truck bed, and she was showing me how great a gooseneck was. tried to turn it around on a 2 lane country road. Well, it ended up being so tight almost into one of the side ditches, that she had to jackknife and did major damage to the truck, high up, just behnd the driver's door - really crunched it in. No truck is safe if you don't pay attention, except for those turnaround rigs. Then you just turn to face the trailer, and drive forward. ;)

tabula rashah
Mar. 29, 2011, 01:11 PM
When I bought my truck (long bed- never understood why you'd want a short bed anyway:lol: ) the dealership told me if I got a short bed and installed a GN hitch it would void my warranties- so might want to check into that

Fairview Horse Center
Mar. 29, 2011, 01:19 PM
When I bought my truck (long bed- never understood why you'd want a short bed anyway:lol: )

Well, um, parking around town with a long bed and extended cab can be rather challenging. I chose a short bed as I needed the extra seating for my everyday, only vehicle. Around a farm though, if all I needed my truck for was farm stuff, I would definitely go with the 8' bed. Hay (both square and round bales), lumber, farm gates, moving homes, packing for shows, etc., become much more challenging to move with a 6 1/2' bed.

< I gave up my wonderful back slider window too when I bought an extended cab> :(

camohn
Mar. 31, 2011, 02:15 PM
we have a shortbed F350 and a 4H gooseneck trailer. There is 1 small dent in the rear cab corner. Shortly after getting it (not used to the small bed) and having to try to park the trailer in a slot with very little room to maneuver the rig I did do that backing/turning very sharply......but have never done it again and have had the truck since 1999. So once used to the space you have to work with.....it is not a problem. I purposely got the short bed due to the parking problems big trucks present.....did drive it for work and farm at the time and had to do city parking at times.

spook1
Jan. 25, 2012, 07:30 PM
Anyone pull a GN with a 5 1/2 short bed? Truck in question have more then enough power train to pull the weight. Its the bed size I am concerned with. BTW its to late not to concider ......other half have already brought the truck....lol
T.I.A

fordtraktor
Jan. 26, 2012, 09:57 AM
Anyone pull a GN with a 5 1/2 short bed? Truck in question have more then enough power train to pull the weight. Its the bed size I am concerned with. BTW its to late not to concider ......other half have already brought the truck....lol
T.I.A

Yes, my truck has a 5.5' bed. I use this in a 9 inch on my Hawk: http://popuphitch.com/sb1coupl.htm. It is awesome, super easy to hook up alone which is pretty much always me.

My trailer guy tried to jackknife it to make sure it would work when I bought the trailer. He said he couldn't get it in a place where it would crunch the cab. I have not tested it that much but I have not had any problems and I do have to turn pretty sharply to get my trailer parked on my farm. Good luck!

airhorse
Jan. 26, 2012, 10:10 AM
Short or long bed can always crunch the cab...

China Doll
Jan. 26, 2012, 01:15 PM
Thanks for all the replies! Sounds like it should work fine - and this one is actually 6 1/2 ft rather than 5 1/2, so added bonus there. I have never heard of a 5.5 bed in a regular truck. By regular I mean a 3/4 ton Chevy, ford or something standard.
They are 6.5 or 8'

fordtraktor
Jan. 26, 2012, 02:00 PM
China Doll, I have an F150 crew cab and it most certainly has a 5.5 bed. It is rated to 9600 lbs. and has no problem pulling my 4200 lb. Hawk 2H GN. The newer F150s are pretty much like having an older F250.

katyb
Jan. 26, 2012, 03:41 PM
< I gave up my wonderful back slider window too when I bought an extended cab>

My F350 crew cab has a power back slider window. It's one of my favorite features.