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yventer
Dec. 5, 2003, 10:14 PM
Is there a clique for spelling and grammar nazis like me? My teeth sweat at the mere "site" of "confirmation" and "lounge", not to mention the whole subject/verb agreement thing, and the the "it's" vs. "its" thing. I *really* try to restrain myself from correcting others, as Pegasus knows I am not without fault myself. But the genetic heritage of my teacher parents plus my own indoctrination via grad school makes it hard. Not to mention the fact that I am a "woman of a certain age" and therefore prone to a wee bit of irritability?!
As I said, I'm not perfect, so don't blast me for errors in the above. I was just wondering: Is there a support group for people like me?
"Hello, my name is Yventer, and I'm a spelling nazi. I can't stop myself from correcting others...."
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yventer
Dec. 5, 2003, 10:14 PM
Is there a clique for spelling and grammar nazis like me? My teeth sweat at the mere "site" of "confirmation" and "lounge", not to mention the whole subject/verb agreement thing, and the the "it's" vs. "its" thing. I *really* try to restrain myself from correcting others, as Pegasus knows I am not without fault myself. But the genetic heritage of my teacher parents plus my own indoctrination via grad school makes it hard. Not to mention the fact that I am a "woman of a certain age" and therefore prone to a wee bit of irritability?!
As I said, I'm not perfect, so don't blast me for errors in the above. I was just wondering: Is there a support group for people like me?
"Hello, my name is Yventer, and I'm a spelling nazi. I can't stop myself from correcting others...."
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Rocky
Dec. 5, 2003, 11:31 PM
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif huk'd on fonics werk'd for me
But seriously, I wish there was a spell check feature on this BB.
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Dancing Lawn
Dec. 6, 2003, 02:47 AM
I give english grammar lessons, along with my english riding lessons.
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baileygreyhorse
Dec. 6, 2003, 04:52 AM
I'm a high school English teacher and I do notice these little grammar infractions. On the other hand, I think I have become desensitized over the years from reading so many really bad essays. Yventer- I could send you some papers to grade. You know, as a kind of "sacking-out" for the grammar sensitive. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
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Sakura
Dec. 6, 2003, 05:00 AM
I have a program that allows me to check my spelling no matter where I am. I will try to remember the name for you all, but it is as easy as a right click and selection of spell check. It works here, in chat, MSN Messenger...everywhere http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
p.s. My pet peeve is "alot", it is two words PEOPLE... A LOT http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
N&B&T
Dec. 6, 2003, 05:35 AM
Yventer, I feel your pain. Enough time on the board and you will become somewhat desensitized, BUT---
It's longe!!! LONGE, LONGE, LONGE!!!!!
I'll go quietly now.
(Slinks off after annual post on dressage forum.)
budman
Dec. 6, 2003, 05:40 AM
Yes, LONGE!!!!! Thank you, I thought I was the only one about to go insane over "lounge." I mean, all the rest really irritate me too, but that word should be in everyone's "horse vocabulary." I mean, if I see stirrup or saddle mispelled, I assume it's a typo, but I'm afraid many people just don't know it's "longe."
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Sakura
Dec. 6, 2003, 05:40 AM
IE Spell, you have to have Microsoft Word in order to install it.
N&B&T
Dec. 6, 2003, 05:42 AM
Oops, I just realized this is Off Course.
Glad I wasn't driving.
Kels
Dec. 6, 2003, 06:06 AM
Yes, I am a spelling/grammar nazi...It all comes down to the your vs. you're mistake. I don't get how some people just don't understand these things...I guess growing up with parents who are spelling/grammar nazis made me into one...Not that I mind! I'd rather look intelligent. (Well, somewhat, since the things I say aren't always intelligent themselves!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif)
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ShotenStar
Dec. 6, 2003, 06:11 AM
My name is Star and I am a grammar nazi. I proofread and format reports as a part-time job and one of the authors I work for has a major problem with the placement of commas.
It makes me crazy.
Her use of commas is so strange that it doesn't pay to run the spell-checker -- the poor thing gets confused and offers suggested changes that are worse.
*star*
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MHM
Dec. 6, 2003, 06:34 AM
* Edited because Miss Manners would disapprove! *
Schoolmarm
Dec. 6, 2003, 08:13 AM
I'm a high school English teacher, too, Bailey, and I feel your pain! I find that my spelling and grammar skills deteriorate during the school year as I read the same errors in dozens of essays and term papers. I tend not to answer ads that contain spelling or grammar mistakes. If the seller can't spell the breed of horse, then what are the odds he or she even KNOWS the breed of the horse? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
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Eventer55
Dec. 6, 2003, 08:30 AM
Hey guys, wouldn't it be funny to make up a thread with all the horse vocabulary misspelled.
How about all the misinterpretations? ie: I asked a woman once if her horse longeing and she said "no he doesn't kick or bite either." This is a a true story and I'm sure it's happened a lot. I'm on another BB, that is mostly young girls I think and some of the posts are indecipherable.
A lot is fine, alot is annoying. Thanks Summit.
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BaldEagle
Dec. 6, 2003, 08:48 AM
Well, this a way off topic subject, but I allow myself just a small comment about it.
First of all, my mother tongue is not English, (I use word spell checker) and second, I belong to a generation that had as its best past time “reading”. The best thing my parent’s house had was a library assembled during 5 generations, where we could find almost everything. I learned my language (along with four others) well beyond and above what was needed. No kid coming from a fresh University course can beat me in sophistication and clarity of writing my language.
Today’s kids just watch TV and movies full of the worst kind of just about anything, language included. No wonder the spelling mistakes.
On another Forum I found this very curious posts about this spelling problem…
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Member # 1
Yes i just read my local newspaper and it tell me that having an illigal satilate ( doesn't say what one to be exact DSS or Bell express view) can have false distress on the 121.5 feq. How is this possible???? can anyone please elablorate!
shouldn't aviation have there own freq's and how can the FAA and TC allow this to happen.
Member # 2
TC does not regulate frequencies, aircraft or other - try Industry Canada. You might want to invest in a spell-check while you're at it.
Member # 1
Spell check who needs that!!!!
AND member # 2 read the following info!!!
"Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae.
The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm.
Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
Petrty amzanig huh?"
YAHH THIS IS SUPOSE TO BE A FUN SITE NOT PPL TRASHING OTHERS ABOUT SPELLING......
:wacko:
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After this, no more comments about spell-checks http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
birdsong
Dec. 6, 2003, 08:53 AM
Teehee...Glad to find that I'm not the only one...Even though I make mistakes too...I keep a dict. close at hand...My big one is that I play around with internet dating...If a gentleman writes to me with misspelled words I instantly delete him. As far as the commas and such...I tend to use them as if I were speaking...with pauses. I am a Southern lady and I know that some instantly drop our IQ's when they hear the accent...I instantly drop the IQ when I see a misspelled word.
Erin Pittman
Dec. 6, 2003, 09:19 AM
I'll join the grammar nazi clique!!! I, too, come from a long line of teachers and am also a teacher. My biggest pet peeve is the totally incorrect overuse of the word, "myself." I'm going to take myself off the BB for now so I can get some work done today...
NRB
Dec. 6, 2003, 10:15 AM
Jumping out go the frying pan into the host of spelling nazies......
Ooooooo I must be a sado-masochistic nut bar but really folks I can't spell to save my life. And grammer?? Even though the Strunk and White (Elements of Style) sits next to the PC I hardly have time to reach for it while I'm trying to type a reply into the BB during lunch hour. So please go ahead a correct me if it pleases you, I need all the help I can get. I don't watch Tv, haven't since college, so I can't use that excuse for poor grammer. I do think that email HAS had a profound impact on our language.
My name is NRB and I am a spelling and grammer nitwit...there I feel better now.
FrittSkritt
Dec. 6, 2003, 10:33 AM
Ahh, I am definitely a grammar/spelling nazi. I'm always being asked how to spell a certain word or phrase a sentence. My biggest pet peeve? The difference between writing "You're" and "Your." Drives me up the wall. To sum it up, here's one of my favorite Grammar Nazi quotes:
"Y-O-U-'-R-E means YOU ARE. Y-O-U-R means YOUR!" -Ross, "Friends."
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CanadianGolden
Dec. 6, 2003, 10:46 AM
Oh my god I am a complete Nazi. I use correct grammar all the time, even on AIM.
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nightsong
Dec. 6, 2003, 12:04 PM
If you use correct grammar, you use correct grammar. Period.
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Dec. 6, 2003, 01:44 PM
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SpiritInTheSkye
Dec. 6, 2003, 01:48 PM
yventer, its a 12 steppe progranne yoo knead! lol http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Whiskey Lullaby
Dec. 6, 2003, 02:18 PM
Ver(rrrr) funny Rocky! Even though I am not that *old*, I have it whenpeople "mizspell" words!
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buryinghill1
Dec. 6, 2003, 02:30 PM
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To Cold
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Dakotawyatt
Dec. 6, 2003, 02:40 PM
Yes, my name is Jen and I'd like to join the grammar/spelling nazi clique. Mine is they're/their. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
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Tin
Dec. 6, 2003, 02:41 PM
no offence but if the poster is putting effort into their post (ie not a- y are u going 2morrow) then why the heck does it matter? Boards are NOT a english document and it drives me nuts when people correct others grammar or spelling, life is too short IMHO.
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achcosuva
Dec. 6, 2003, 04:19 PM
"good" and "well" are my pet peeves. And, yes, "you're" and "your", though I've been known to type "youre" when I'm typing faster than I'm thinking. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif Speaking of, I always put an 'e' on "with" or "both" when I'm writing quickly. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif
An occasional spelling/grammar mistake doesn't bother me in this informal setting, however I will NOT read a post that is composed of nothing but misspelled words and grammar mistakes. I also hate the overuse of ellipses. Not that I can spell ellipses... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif
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The Muffin Man
Dec. 6, 2003, 04:43 PM
Ok ok,sum off us just cant spill write!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
ladydoctor
Dec. 6, 2003, 05:18 PM
I wanna join! My pet peeve is the misuse of "I" as in: "here's a pic of So-and-So and I"
*Next*Star*To*Shine*
Dec. 6, 2003, 05:28 PM
I hate it when people cannot spell properly. Last week we had to peer edit each other's essays in history. It drove me crazy! The person whose essay I got had so many spelling mistakes. He didn't cite any of his work, most of his ideas and sentences were incomplete and his spelling was horrible. It's not fun at all to try and understand an essay when the writing is that bad. I gave up, gave it to someone else to edit, they gave up and then we told him how bad it was lol. This was in a grade 12 class, you would think he'd know how to properly write by now!!! However, I must admit I'm a horrible speller which is why I always use my computer to write stuff I'm going to hand in.
winnie
Dec. 6, 2003, 05:54 PM
ladydoctor - That is my pet peeve, too!
I know that I don't always have propper grammer and spelling, but I do at least make an attempt to speak and write correctly. Anyone of you should feel free to correct me; I need all the help I can get! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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nightsong
Dec. 6, 2003, 06:12 PM
Actually, FourSocks, you got it right. Ellipsis is singular; ellipses is plural!!!
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lilblackhorse
Dec. 7, 2003, 08:22 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Four Socks:
I also hate the overuse of ellipses. Not that I can spell ellipses... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif
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Well, then you must hate me and my posts! Sorry, but like the other person posted, I tend to type like I write, and a lot of the time, that includes those nasty little ellipses. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Been doing it here for years, and even made a clique out of it.......and I consider myself part of the grammar nazi clique as well.
My favorite? Prolly for probably, and that horrible new use of apostrophes for plurals. (ie "Framer's wanted")
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Midge
Dec. 7, 2003, 08:26 AM
'Good' and 'well' are my pet peeves, too. Every once in a while I hear it coming out of my own mouth and it makes me shudder.
'Got' is my current annoyance.
Spelling definitely 'definately' is probalby the most common BB mistake.
Typos do not bother me.
MdLib
Dec. 7, 2003, 11:02 AM
Typos do not bother me, either. Consistantly bad grammar, misuse and overuse of punctuation are annoying, though.
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JustaLurker
Dec. 7, 2003, 03:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ladydoctor:
My pet peeve is the misuse of "I" as in: "here's a pic of So-and-So and I"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Oooo, oooo, oooo! This one is everywhere today. I cringe every time I hear that one and it seems I'm cringing most of the time.
*Next*Star*To*Shine*
Dec. 7, 2003, 03:47 PM
Ok then how do you correctly use "I"??? I remember being taught it in gr. 3 but I cannot remember anymore.
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nightsong
Dec. 7, 2003, 03:55 PM
"I" is a subject, "me" is the object. "I" is the thing doing: "I ate pie." "Me" is the thing being done to: "He flipped me the bird."
Now, the hard part: trying to APPLY that.
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Madeline
Dec. 7, 2003, 03:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by N&B&T:
It's longe!!! LONGE, LONGE, LONGE!!!!!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Or Lunge, Lunge, Lunge.
But definitely not lounge...
madeline
Madeline
Dec. 7, 2003, 04:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Frozen Tin:
no offence but if the poster is putting effort into their post (ie not a- y are u going 2morrow) then why the heck does it matter? Boards are NOT a english document and it drives me nuts when people correct others grammar or spelling, life is too short IMHO.
~ they tease you cause they like you ~<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Because spelling like a Jessica Simpson thinks shows complete disrespect for the reader. Sloppiness in presentation of the message is a sign of sloppiness in the message itself.
If you want your reader to pay attention to what you're saying, say it correctly!
madeline
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Offset
Dec. 7, 2003, 04:16 PM
Pet peeve: Ending a sentence with 'at'.
"Where's it at?"
Makes my head spin. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
fleur
Dec. 7, 2003, 04:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Because spelling like a Jessica Simpson thinks shows complete disrespect for the reader. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
if you can read what is says, what does it matter? do you have nothing better to think about than whether someone on coth spells correctly?
p.s. do you guys put bad spellers in concentration camps? or do you just shoot them execution-style?
Tin
Dec. 7, 2003, 04:21 PM
ditto fleur http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
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MHM
Dec. 7, 2003, 04:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by norahlee:
"I" is a subject, "me" is the object. "I" is the thing doing: "I ate pie." "Me" is the thing being done to: "He flipped me the bird."
Now, the hard part: trying to APPLY that.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
IIRC, the acid test for this one with multiple subjects is to remove the other subject from the sentence. For example:
(My horse and) I/me showed yesterday.
Randi took a great picture of (my horse and) I/me.
If you remove the words "my horse and" from these examples, the correct choice is clear.
The typos that bother me most are my own! As in, how did I miss that?!
My pet peeve would have to be lie down/lay down. They are misused SO much! I give my big dog credit for being smarter than most people. When I say, "Go lie down," she lies down immediately. If someone else says, "Go lay down," she just gives them a puzzled stare. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
FionaJ
Dec. 7, 2003, 04:37 PM
I cannot stand the usage of irregardless for regardless. It is just incorrect and when people are trying to make a point and sound intellegent it doesn't work.
BustersMom
Dec. 7, 2003, 04:40 PM
Like ladydoctor, the misuse of I and me just grates on me. I have been flamed before for correcting here (I might add that Dublin wrote me a nice note in support of good grammar.) Deedee is now my grammar angel.
Offset, lately at my office, a cubemate (yes like Dilbert) has taking to saying "Where are you at on such and such deal?" I want to climb over the wall and say "Right behind the flipping 'at'!" Lately I have taken to counting the number of offenses/day to maintain my sanity.
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Madeline
Dec. 7, 2003, 04:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fleur:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Because spelling like a Jessica Simpson thinks shows complete disrespect for the reader. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
if you can read what is says, what does it matter? do you have nothing better to think about than whether someone on coth spells correctly?
p.s. do you guys put bad spellers in concentration camps? or do you just shoot them execution-style?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, but if posters don't take the trouble to write clearly, I figure that they don't really care about what they're saying, so why should I?
madeline
Madeline
Dec. 7, 2003, 04:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FionaJ:
I cannot stand the usage of _irregardless_ for _regardless_. It is just incorrect and when people are trying to make a point and sound intellegent it doesn't work.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Everyone knows that the correct term is "disirregardless."
madeline
Spot
Dec. 7, 2003, 04:48 PM
Oh God! You mean there are others out there who despise incorrect grammar and spelling as much as I do ???!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif
And go back on their posts every single time and correct then one teeny weeny spelling mistake to make sure that the rest of the COTH population doesnt think they cannot spell?!
It drives me wild. There is no other way to put it.
It drives me nuts to see spelling errors in yearly reports that large corporations put out. They pay a fortune to produce those things - you'd think someone would care enough to make sure that it is 100% correct before Joe Public gets their hands on it.
I also tend to not take a company or individual as seriously if there are glaring spelling errors on their web sites. If you are not fastidious to make sure that the entire world has a good impression of you at first glance on your website, why would I believe that you care enough to consistently research and produce an equally excellent product?
I HATE seeing:
- Which is your favorite gate to ride? (how many of us sit astride gates to ride?!)
- Does your horse have good or bad confirmation? (jeez - how many times do you need to be told correct spelling of this particular word?!)
and on and on it goes ...
I am SO picky about this particular subject - I am SO gratified and thankful that there are others JUST LIKE ME http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif out there!
"Spot"
OLD A/O
Dec. 7, 2003, 05:24 PM
The notes my BTT use to leave me were terrible. I just grew up thinking that really good riders could not spell. So, I guess as long as my spelling is terrible my riding is on track. (Hehe.) (Is Hehe allowed in Scrabble?)
Celebrity
Dec. 7, 2003, 05:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dancing lawn:
I give english grammar lessons, along with my english riding lessons.
less hard work, more fine dining.
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If guys can do it, how hard can it be?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I had a coach that used to do that! I would be riding and say "So me and [name], blah blah.."
And instantly she would reply "[name] and I.."
It used to make me so mad!!! But it also made me laugh!!
I find that when I am typing on here I will type 'its' instead of 'it's' if I am in a hurry... I wasn't aware it bothered so many people! oops! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif
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nightsong
Dec. 7, 2003, 06:02 PM
I know there are people who don't spell well and seem to be educated (don't they have visual memories to remember what words look like? Is that it?), but STILL, I see an ad with misspellings or poor grammar, and I think, if they can't get that right, which they were taught in second grade, what kind of products can they have?!!
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Kerby
Dec. 7, 2003, 10:15 PM
slinks about as founder and probably only member of the "I kant speel werth krap clique" and is now afraid... very afraid... beware the grammer nazi's
Spot
Dec. 8, 2003, 04:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> slinks about as founder and probably only member of the "I kant speel werth krap clique" and is now afraid... very afraid... beware the grammer nazi's <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Now THAT is damned funny! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif
"Spot"
Oldenburg Mom
Dec. 8, 2003, 04:53 AM
Well, I hate to mention this ... but has everyone forgotten the massive spelling/grammar thread that was 30+ pages long?
I'll never forget the opening post (paraphrased here)
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> If I see 'conformated' one more time in a post I'm going to stick a spork in my eye. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
BTW, I can't spell correctly ... but if I think there's a problem with a word, I ALWAYS spell check it on word.
Spelling correctly and using good grammar, I believe, shows respect for other people.
It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed. (T. Roosevelt)
KT
P.S. The more people I get to know, the more I love my horse.
Tux61096
Dec. 8, 2003, 04:54 AM
Finally, a place to release my frustration! "Alot" is not a word, it is a phrase "a lot". Thank you, I feel better now. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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Paddys Mom
Dec. 8, 2003, 05:02 AM
A new day care is opening soon near me. The name is "Just 4 Kidz". http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif
I try not to let a couple of misspelled words or grammar errors bother me. However, if someone has a post that has more wrong spellings than right, then I tend to skip past it.
My husband often sends me drafts of emails to proof before he sends them on to his superiors.
jilltx
Dec. 8, 2003, 05:12 AM
I don't mind it here on the boards, but I do mind if it's an add or a professional message (ie superiors and co-workers).
I have to admit that I am guilty of not spell checking and proof reading. Sometimes I just get so excited about replying that I typo all over myself. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
~Jilltx
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Spot
Dec. 8, 2003, 05:43 AM
I think we're ALL guilty of SOME typos here and there.
Sometimes I know I'll end up spelling "and" as "adn" because one finger just got ahead of the other one while I was typing ... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
But it truly does drive me wild when I see "weather or not your horse canters properly" or "my horse is heavy on his fourhand" or "How many days a week too keep a competative horse competative" or "what is your favorite gate to ride"
aggghhhh ... I honestly dont know if people are lazy, simply dont know better, were not taught correctly throughout the school system or ???
I correct my daughter on the slightest grammar or spelling mistake that she makes. Maybe I'm being anal, but I also think that if I don't do so and she thinks it is correct, then we are encouraging future generations of grammatically incorrect people and then who will be around to correct them?
All I know is that through successive generations, the spelling and grammar is getting worse and worse so something needs to be addressed in the schooling system to correct this before it is too late.
Geez - I know of some teachers at some schools around here that wont mark down spelling mistakes, in ENGLISH of all classes, because "they tried their best" ???? And "they ALMOST got it ??!
I dont know in that case if the teacher is the stupid one, he is just plain damned lazy or for some misguided reason, he actually believes that he is HELPING them by doing that?
Its sad. It is truly sad ...
"Spot"
rileyt
Dec. 8, 2003, 06:18 AM
Grammar and riding go hand in hand! I was drilled, from a very early age, in both riding and grammar by my riding teacher!
Me: Ooh Ooh! Can I ride Madi today?
Riding Teacher: (with a gleam in her eye) I don't know, CAN you?
Me: Oh, I mean, MAY I ride Madi today?
RT: Of course.
I am going to start a new thread of commonly misspelled horse terms... feel free to weigh in.
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Norsire
Dec. 8, 2003, 06:58 AM
Perfect topic...I need someone to do a spelling/grammar check on my new real estate site. I need to make the words flow much better than I currently have them on my web site. Anyone up for this? Please contact me privately at NorsireFarm@aol.com TIA!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif
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Erin Pittman
Dec. 8, 2003, 07:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MHM:
(My horse and) I/me showed yesterday.
Randi took a great picture of (my horse and) I/me.
If you remove the words "my horse and" from these examples, the correct choice is clear.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ooooh! Oooh! Don't forget to add "myself" to the list of irritations (I know, I already mentioned it earlier). I used to be a secretary for a physician and he would dictate letters. He would always say something like, "The meeting will include myself..." EVERY time, I would correct it by putting in "me." Why, oh why, are people so afraid to use the word ME????? It IS a word and it can be used properly!!! ME ME ME ME ME In order to use the word "myself," the subject of the sentence has to be "I" because it's a reflexive pronoun (reflects back on the subject). You can do another acid test for this one, too - identify the subject of the sentence first. As in the case above, "The meeting will include me/myself..." There, I'm done (or is that finished?) venting. See? I had 6th grade teacher that would correct me for that - she'd say, "Are you a turkey? No? Then you are FINISHED, not done." http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Eventer55
Dec. 8, 2003, 07:55 AM
It's anybody not any body, unless you're refering to a person's body. Oh boy and I wasn't going to do this. . .
"When Allah created the horse he said. . . Thou shalt fly without wings and conquer without sword."
lilblackhorse
Dec. 8, 2003, 08:18 AM
horsehugger-thank you for that lesson. The "myself" thing seems to be plaguing many in the TV media celebrity world. I hear it often during interviews , and it drives me nuts.
At 42 I have finally learned about the I and Me thing-sometimes it's difficult, but your way is the way I work out the correct choice.
I can also differentiate between lay and lie from this:
LAy...PlAce...they have the same A sound...as in "I lay the book on the table"..."I PLACE the book"
I was telling my mother, the super grammar nazi who puts me to shame, about this thread and how one person discussed objects and other parts of sentence structure. As the mother of two bright kids, 8th and 5th grade, I can tell you that most kids (and most adults under say 35) have NO idea the parts of speech anymore. They don't know about objects, and modifiers and even adverbs or adjectives, etc. How can they fix what they don't know? It's very sad. I remember having to diagram sentences when I was young-they need to do that again in schools.
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Eventer55
Dec. 8, 2003, 08:23 AM
Also, if someone is "laying down" they're committing an unnatural act with a feather pillow! By the way it's free, not for free.
Flame suit almost on. . .
"When Allah created the horse he said. . . Thou shalt fly without wings and conquer without sword."
EventerAJ
Dec. 8, 2003, 08:29 AM
I HATE net jargon, netspeak, whatever you want to call it. ne 1, u, ur, 2, y, etc. GRR drives me nuts! It takes me *a* *lot* longer to type "b 4" than "before"-- my fingers just automatically type the word (well usually http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif). I've always been good at grammar in school; I may get Ds for content but you better believe my grammar/organization is an A! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
I'm not one to loudly complain and point out the mistakes of others, though they do bother me. I'm willing to make allowances for minor imperfections http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif but I skip messages with many basic repeated mistakes.
-Learn your adverbs! WELL!
-There are *several* ways to say "a lot:" much, many, bunches, hoardes, masses, a multitude...but never "alot"
-There/their/they're, your/you're, etc.
-LIKE. This is a very important word used in comparisons and similes. But it is so frequently overused when you are NOT comparing something! Is your horse "LIKE bay?" or IS he a bay?? GRRR this isn't often a "written" flaw, but hearing it all the time drives me, like, INSANE! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif (and to my horror I often start adopting it subconsiously! My trainer and I are out to rid the world of LIKE!)
Most others have already been mentioned. I think it is worth noting that I do not mind, and sometimes enjoy the intentional use of vernacular and common speech. Reflecting local dialect doesn't bother me, unless it is something truly horrid such as, "Can you borrow me your bridle?" http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif I do not have a problem with contractions such as "ain't," "y'all," or chopping off word endings ("goin' ridin'").
I feel better now. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
~AJ~
I've been there...that's why I'm here.
Nikki^
Dec. 8, 2003, 08:42 AM
OK everybody! I use a free spell checker that I use to check my posts.
www.iespell.com (http://www.iespell.com)
Someone from this board posted this before the BB got a make over. Just download it and wa la! Not more looking up words in the Dictionary for spelling! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
So here you go!
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MHM
Dec. 8, 2003, 08:46 AM
Oh, my goodness! The overuse of the word "like"! It's, like, not even funny! And, like, so contagious!
True story on the subject of local dialect. Years ago, a friend and I spent more than a week in South Carolina, visiting friends and looking at horses. On the eighth day, my friend asked me if we had another piece of tack of some kind, to which I replied, "We didn't bring but one." I couldn't believe those words popped out of my mouth!
Oldenburg Mom
Dec. 8, 2003, 08:59 AM
Ok.
As nicely as possible, with generosity in my spirit and love in my heart ...
It's not "wa la"
It's Voila. It's French. And basically means, "there it is!"
It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed. (T. Roosevelt)
KT
P.S. The more people I get to know, the more I love my horse.
Paddys Mom
Dec. 8, 2003, 09:44 AM
Thought of another one...
It is would HAVE, not would OF.
I would have called the vet.
or
I would've called the vet.
NOT
I would of called the vet.
Like nails on a chalkboard to me! [Intentionally left as a fragment
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MHM
Dec. 8, 2003, 09:53 AM
Phew! Thank you.
Oldenburg Mom
Dec. 8, 2003, 10:07 AM
MHM ...
HA! I did the dirty work, huh? Typical NY-er. *Sheesh* http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed. (T. Roosevelt)
KT
P.S. The more people I get to know, the more I love my horse.
Oldenburg Mom
Dec. 8, 2003, 10:11 AM
OMG, I forgot the one that drives me ROUND THE F*%$ING BEND!!!!
Hello Folks, everywhere.
It's INVITATION. NOT INVITE. Invite is a VERB. Y'know ... verb ... action ... movement?
I am going to INVITE you to see me rip out the next person's tongue (<---note the correct use of possession) that says invite for the noun, invitation.
Wheeeeewwwwwwww. I've wanted to get that off my chest for a looonnnngggg time.
It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed. (T. Roosevelt)
KT
P.S. The more people I get to know, the more I love my horse.
Velvet
Dec. 8, 2003, 10:12 AM
N&B&T
It is NOT longe! It's not in any dictionary as "longe." That's just what the Brits want. It is pronounced as "lunge" so it should be a variation of the word "lunge!"
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I can only conclude that I'm paying off karma at a vastly accelerated rate.
MHM
Dec. 8, 2003, 10:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oldenburg Mom:
MHM ...
HA! I did the dirty work, huh? Typical NY-er. *Sheesh* http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I beg your pardon?!?
According to Miss Manners, one should not correct another's grammar. So I refrained. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
And on behalf of all NY-ers, double http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif !
alabama
Dec. 8, 2003, 10:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horse_hugger:
Why, oh why, are people so afraid to use the word ME????? It IS a word and it can be used properly!!! ME ME ME ME ME <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh, that is the question I am constantly asking when I read bbs.
That said, I am a terrible speller and usually type out my post with every intention of going back to check certain words. It never fails that I forget to do so - and I STILL haven't figured out how to edit a post. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
I think my grammar is ok (though I do have serious misgivings about my signature line). I was an English major way back in college. Hopefully, some of it has stuck with me.
Don't set your drink on the post upon which you are hammering.
MHM
Dec. 8, 2003, 10:42 AM
Oh, alabama! The edit feature is priceless! Look at your post- to the right of the date and time, you'll see several icons. The edit icon looks a bit like a paper and pencil. It's to the right of the quotation marks. You can click on it to edit your post at any time, but if you do it within a few minutes, you won't get the dreaded "edited by" addition to your post. Then you can pretend you never make mistakes!
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lilblackhorse
Dec. 8, 2003, 10:49 AM
One of the designers on Trading Spaces says "wa-la" all the time. I too cringe. Vwa-laa, what's so hard about that? ( I am missing the NY thing-is this something that is typical NYC?)
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Oldenburg Mom
Dec. 8, 2003, 10:51 AM
(ah-em! braaa-cka *cough*cough*cough* KT clearly announces her displeasure with MHM.)
Beg pardon, Ms. MHM. But might I bring to you (and Miss Manners' (<----note correct use of possession) attention the title of this thread, hmmmmm? Yes, this is called the "Spelling and Grammar Nazi" thread. This is not, repeat NOT the Spelling and Grammar Little Bo Peep thread, nor the Spelling and Grammar Miss Manners' (<---note correct use of possession) thread.
Nazi=Harsh, Brutal, relentless.
I rest my case. (Wild applause is heard as KT returns to the defense table. The judge is heard banging his gavel, "Order. Order or I'll clear the courtroom. ORRRRRR-DERRRRRRR.")
It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed. (T. Roosevelt)
KT
P.S. The more people I get to know, the more I love my horse.
Midge
Dec. 8, 2003, 10:52 AM
My favorite grammar joke.
A freshman at Duke University approaches an upperclassman.
'Excuse me. Where's the library at?'
Upperclassman replies, 'At Duke University we do not end our sentences with a preposition.'
Freshman replies, 'Okay. Where's the library at, a$$hole?'
Oldenburg Mom
Dec. 8, 2003, 10:57 AM
Lilblackhorse,
Well, you know what those NYers are like. Always an angle, ... eagle-eyed for any thing for free ... watching for the least little advantage. Tough. Ruthless. (btw, does that mean they live without Ruths (<---that's plural. Not possessive.))
Sorry, ... all this talk of grammar, on top of all this snow, and all this wind. Well, KT is losing it. She hasn't ridden in over ONE WEEK and she is going downhill Faaaaaast.
It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed. (T. Roosevelt)
KT
P.S. The more people I get to know, the more I love my horse.
MHM
Dec. 8, 2003, 11:06 AM
Well, O. Mom, now that you've brought it up... I'm not keen on identifying myself as a "Nazi" of any variety, whether it be soup, spelling, or kitten.
I thought the thread might have been more pleasingly called "spelling/grammar clique," but in my mild-mannered way I did not wish to criticize.
From my Webster Handy College Dictionary:
Nazi n. a member of the former National Socialist Party, which controlled Germany 1933 to 1945. Nazism n. the principles of this party, quasi-fascistic and racist.
If you're so eager to call yourself a Nazi, by all means, be my guest! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Oldenburg Mom
Dec. 8, 2003, 11:09 AM
OkoKoK.
Nooooo. I don't want to call myself a Nazi. But I didn't name this thread.
*sulk*
<KT is seen walking to the trading desk, hands shoved in pockets, head bent, thoroughly chastised,... she sniffs every other step and silently looks around at MHM with pitiful woebegone eyes... we hear a slight mutter ... "Well ya didn't have to be so meeeaan." burbleblubberburble.>
It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed. (T. Roosevelt)
KT
P.S. The more people I get to know, the more I love my horse.
[This message was edited by Oldenburg Mom on Dec. 08, 2003 at 02:27 PM.]
MHM
Dec. 8, 2003, 11:15 AM
There, there. It's all right. Here, you may have my cyber-hankie, the nice linen one with the lace edge. It's just like the one Miss Manners favors.
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Oldenburg Mom
Dec. 8, 2003, 11:18 AM
Honnnnnnnnnk. Blllllllllappppppp. Sniff sniff. Okaaaaay.
Thanks a lot.
<KT is seen with an evil glint in her eye returning the slightly soggy and limp cyber-hankie to MHM. Mwaahahaha>
It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed. (T. Roosevelt)
KT
P.S. The more people I get to know, the more I love my horse.
Janet
Dec. 8, 2003, 11:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eventer55:
Also, if someone is "laying down" they're committing an unnatural act with a feather pillow! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Unless the person is "laying down his sword"
Janet
chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle, and Brain
MHM
Dec. 8, 2003, 11:25 AM
You're very welcome.
<It is only as MHM surveys the sorry state of her favorite hankie that she ponders whether to question the phrase "head a slight mutter" in O. Mom's previous post. But MHM thinks again of Miss Manners, and elects to let it slide.>
Mwaahaaahaaaa, indeed.
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Oldenburg Mom
Dec. 8, 2003, 11:28 AM
MHM ...
ROTFLMAO (at myself)
Good one! I really can't top it!
Hahahahaha.
It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed. (T. Roosevelt)
KT
P.S. The more people I get to know, the more I love my horse.
reddungirl
Dec. 8, 2003, 11:32 AM
And forgive me if someone already covered this one... What's a "prolly"? A new adverb? I seem to see this frequently in place of the word "probably", and it makes the librarian in me cringe.
alabama
Dec. 8, 2003, 01:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MHM:
Oh, alabama! The edit feature is priceless! Look at your post- to the right of the date and time, you'll see several icons. The edit icon looks a bit like a paper and pencil. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yea! Thanks! I have no idea why I've never noticed that blasted icon before.
Don't set your drink on the post upon which you are hammering.
Nikki^
Dec. 8, 2003, 01:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oldenburg Mom:
Ok.
As nicely as possible, with generosity in my spirit and love in my heart ...
It's not "wa la"
It's Voila. It's French. And basically means, "there it is!"
__
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks for pointing that out. Now I know.
New Yorkers also say this: Yous Guys. I heard my dad say that over Thanksgiving! You probably seen it in my posts. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif
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Erin Pittman
Dec. 8, 2003, 01:38 PM
Psssst...Nikkibaby27 - you need to update the web address for Del Mar's Pedigree query page in your signature line. It's now http://www.pedigreequery.com/
MHM
Dec. 8, 2003, 01:39 PM
You're very welcome!
The edit icon is very handy for people *cough*OldenburgMom*cough* who need to correct their mistakes.
<MHM ponders whether to post this or not, and for once finds Miss Manners' gentle teachings overcome by Robby Johnson's motto "What the fuh!">
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J. Turner
Dec. 8, 2003, 01:50 PM
Another English teacher here. Oo, those homophones get me. Plus my student's like to spatter apostrophe's everywhere in there paper's. They like's that. Yes, I knew I used the wrong "there, they're, their."
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-- Shakespeare, Henry V
terra
Dec. 8, 2003, 03:44 PM
Oldenburg Mom, not sure what I missed but I believe "Miss Manners" is correct unless the possessive is used, in which case it should be Miss Manners's.
BaldEagle, don't you mean pastime?
MHM
Dec. 8, 2003, 04:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by terra:
Oldenburg Mom, not sure what I missed but I believe "Miss Manners" is correct unless the possessive is used, in which case it should be Miss Manners's.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I must gently leap to the defense of O. Mom, my esteemed colleague of the grammar court. In Miss Manners' own books, AKA the books written by Miss Manners, she herself uses "Miss Manners'" for the possessive form.
According to my copy of The Elements of Style, "Miss Manners's" might be correct for a lesser personage, but "exceptions are the possessives of ancient proper names." (Jesus' robe, for example.) I'm not sure if Miss Manners considers herself ancient, but that is the form she uses in her books.
<Now MHM is wondering if she has used the word "herself" correctly. MHM is starting to feel a bit paranoid about this whole grammar thread. MHM may need to get away from the BB for a short time.>
nightsong
Dec. 8, 2003, 04:55 PM
One thing that I HAVE to comment on is the misuse of slashes (/). They actually are supposed to separate equal items, like walk/trot/canter. But people are putting them any old place, leading to such inanities as: (seen in an on-line horse ad) a color being described as black/white stripe.
They were not describing a zebra, but a black horse with a white stripe (narrow blaze) on its head.
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Anything can happen to anybody at any time.
terra
Dec. 8, 2003, 05:01 PM
With respect, yes, the important question is whether or not the possessive was accurate in the first place.
Assuming it is, ancient wisdom trumps recent.
GrayTbred
Dec. 8, 2003, 05:47 PM
You've got another spelling/grammar nazi here! The "your/you're," "its/it's" confusion seem so widespread (and widely accepted) in our current culture that perhaps a few years from now there will be NO single acceptable spelling. But the foul-up that really sets me off is the use of an apostrophe to make a plural...as in, "I own two Arabian horse's" (ouch, it hurt just typing that).
As Dave Barry once wrote, people use apostrophes in hand-lettered signs as a warning: "Look out -- there's an S coming up!"
subk
Dec. 8, 2003, 05:47 PM
For what it's worth I did pull out my old "Harbrace" for you guys. Of course, the copyright is 1972 so a lot my have changed since then...(by the way when you use those little dots you're only suppose to use three of them.)
My favorite trick is to copy my post, paste it in my e-mail program, spell check, copy and paste back into the BB. See, we bad spellers actually can be quite clever. As I've always said, "when in doubt, change the word."
I just hope none of you spelling nazi send me a type set word using an inch mark instead of an apostrophe. If you do I WILL jump all over your a$$!
Oldenburg Mom
Dec. 9, 2003, 05:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by terra:
Oldenburg Mom, not sure what I missed but I believe "Miss Manners" is correct unless the possessive is used, in which case it should be Miss Manners's.
BaldEagle, don't you mean pastime?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, you are correct. And yes, again, this BB points out that O.Mom is NOT perfect.
How could I miss such a mistake on a grammar thread!?
<KT looks depressed. She slurps her Starbucks sadly, having been thoroughly whomped by two individuals on the BB, albeit one might be an alter. *sigh* Where is that spork to stick in her eye ...>
It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed. (T. Roosevelt)
KT
P.S. The more people I get to know, the more I love my horse.
N&B&T
Dec. 9, 2003, 06:00 AM
Belatedly..Velvet, to me, "lunge" is what you do when something is about to fall off a table, your (indoor) cat is about to run out the front door, or you are engaged in the sport of fencing.
But I think we can ALL agree that "lounge" is not the mot juste.
buryinghill1
Dec. 9, 2003, 06:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GrayTbred: ...as in, "I own two Arabian horse's" (ouch, it hurt just typing that). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Worse yet:
"I own to Arabian horse's" http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif
MHM
Dec. 9, 2003, 08:55 AM
Did you not see my justification for your proper use of "Miss Manners'"? You were correct in the first place on that one, but does that mean you've now made a mistake by saying you were wrong, when, in fact, you were not?
<MHM's head is starting to spin from the frequency of *someone's* mistakes on the grammar thread.>
P.S. I meant to mention earlier that I've owned beagles for twenty years, so I am completely immune to any use of pitiful or woebegone glances by a human. I see the beagle version of those every day when I limit their food intake!
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USgrandprix
Dec. 9, 2003, 10:39 AM
Ok guys, do'nt u think your being a little rediculus hear? I, mean what differense does it make? As long as u understand wat the poster is sayin thats all that matters right? U realy do'nt need to jump down someones throat just cuz they make a spelling mistake or had bad grammer! (Where not all perfect u know!)
I like to lounge my horse b4 I ride, so wat's the problem?
Teehee... I couldn't resist.
I'm going to run from the grammar nazi's now! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif
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foursocks
Dec. 9, 2003, 12:07 PM
Well, TBeventer, *most* of the time, I don't think we spelling and grammar fanatics do make comments within posts. Sometimes, yes, there is that one snide little correction- sometimes, it is simply too hard to resist. For the most part, I think those zaps slip out only after many, many atrociously worded posts go grinding part our eyes, like being forced to listen to Rush L. with a hangover.
I am an academic- writing is my life. I am also a member of the dyslexic clique, so spelling things wrong is also my life, unfortunately. Like people in newly democratizing countries are much more excited about and involved in their political system than we are, I tend to pay a lot of attention to how I spell. Grammar seems to come to me a lot more naturally- most of the time, if it looks or sounds wrong, it is grammatically incorrect. I feel happy and lucky that I write well, but the thing is- I also work on it. What I write reflects lots of things about me, so I take some time over it.
I'm a tolerant person, for the most part, especially since I see my own faults all too clearly. However, I think the whole point is that for many of us, it is hard to know how to deal with someone who writes and/or speaks so badly it produces (mental) cringing.
When I give out writing assignments, I tell my students to come see me if they want some proof-reading help. I'm a political scientist, but if the English department isn't going to help these kids write palatable papers for me, then I'm going to have to step in and do it for myself. I know BBs and college papers are very far from each other, but as I decided not too long ago, writing as if you are ten is only a good idea if you are ten. Or if you are eight but precocious. <-- Please note here the incomplete sentence. We are all flawed, after all. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
You can take a line and say it isn't straight- but that wont change its shape. Jets to Brazil
Erin Pittman
Dec. 9, 2003, 12:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>...like being forced to listen to Rush L. with a hangover<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Midge
Dec. 9, 2003, 12:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by foursockshttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gifnly after many, many atrociously worded posts go grinding part our eyes, like being forced to listen to Rush L. with a hangover.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Or forced to listen to a hungover Rush L. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Eomer
Dec. 9, 2003, 01:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by yventer:
Is there a clique for spelling and grammar nazis like me? My teeth sweat at the mere "site" of ... I am a "woman of a certain age" and therefore prone to a wee bit of irritability?!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
YOUR way to picky!
"The fool on the hill"
nightsong
Dec. 9, 2003, 01:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eomer:
_YOUR_ way to picky!
"The fool on the hill"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
MY way to picky is to go left at the intersection.
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Eomer
Dec. 9, 2003, 05:04 PM
A ... norahlee ... that's why your is in bold. The topic is spelling and grammar, if there's one thing that drives me nuts is improper use of contractions. But, as everyone knows, I can't spell and have little room to criticize. I tried to slipped it in, attempting a bit of dry humor. You're sense of humor needs dusting.
"The fool on the hill"
nightsong
Dec. 9, 2003, 06:26 PM
Is THAT what you meant? I really couldn't understand the post, then. I stared at it, puzzling, for QUITE a while. Isn't the point of writing to communicate? Then you failed.
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fleur
Dec. 9, 2003, 06:35 PM
yawn http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sleepy.gif nazis never did have a sense of humor...
Eomer
Dec. 10, 2003, 03:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fleur:
yawn http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sleepy.gif nazis never did have a sense of humor...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ain't it the truth!
"The fool on the hill"
SillyHorse
Dec. 10, 2003, 04:42 AM
Sheesh, I'm not very smart, and I got it, Eomer. But maybe that's because I'm not a Nazi (my rabbi would disapprove), more like a maven. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
SillyHorse
~ You can do anything if you want it bad enough. That is why we see so many people who can fly. ~
equestnow
Dec. 10, 2003, 05:07 AM
Nazi here!!!!
While teaching college in a Horsemanship program, one of my students (now this is COLLEGE mind you.....)in my Farrier Science class spelled the word "hock" (brace yourselves, this is horrifying....) HAWK.
Couldn't you just die?
Aside from that, yes, I do cringe regularly when reading some of the posts on here.
Most normal Nazi types are considerate of their writing and therefore careful of their spelling, punctuation, and grammar.
I must admit that I'm a comma-using freak......
KD
AR Clique Member... and proud of it!
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"Seasons will change, you must move on, follow your dreams!"
SillyHorse
Dec. 10, 2003, 05:29 AM
This is not directed particularly at you, equestnow, but why do so many people here happily call themselves Nazis? I don't want to hijack this thread, but I think we should all keep in mind who and what the Nazis were (and still are, under the guise of different names).
Stepping off soapbox now.
Carry on!
p.s. Nikkibaby27, thanks for the link to ieSpell. I LOFF it!
SillyHorse
~ You can do anything if you want it bad enough. That is why we see so many people who can fly. ~
Midge
Dec. 10, 2003, 06:32 AM
SillyHorse, I always had the same feeling about Drug Czar. I mean, it sounds the same as Drug Kingpin!
Love you new signature, BTW. The Ashcroft quote is untoppable, though. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
SillyHorse
Dec. 10, 2003, 06:35 AM
Thanks, Midge! I'm sure I'll go back to the Ashcroft one eventually, but I love this one enough to use it for a while. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
SillyHorse
~ You can do anything if you want it bad enough. That is why we see so many people who can fly. ~
CTT
Dec. 10, 2003, 10:29 AM
CTT just stepped back into hiding again. Too afraid of you mean Nazis. I am not at all entertained with people’s long letters to me about my grammar or spelling and I do not feel it is anyone’s right to hack on me about it. It is hard enough writing for me but people feel that in order for them to feel high about their day they must bring me down. I’ve gotten to the point I just give up with some of you people. I like being here for enjoyment not to get bullied by people.
terra
Dec. 11, 2003, 07:16 PM
"You were correct in the first place on that one, but does that mean you've now made a mistake by saying you were wrong, when, in fact, you were not?" (MHM)
Rosencrantz: 1
Guildenstern: ?
[This message was edited by terra on Dec. 11, 2003 at 10:35 PM.]
terra
Dec. 11, 2003, 07:29 PM
CTT, you're right to feel uncomfortable with all this language-Nazi outing. As long as a thought is expressed to the best ability of the author, who cares what form it takes?
I'm happy to proclaim: I AM NOT A LANGUAGE NAZI.
Unless I happen to meet a language-Nazi.
MHM
Dec. 11, 2003, 08:27 PM
I just saw your post, so of course now I'm dying to know what it said BEFORE you edited it. Am I Rosencrantz? In a good way? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I don't remember the play that clearly.
Please note, I am so leery on this thread I triple-checked the spelling of "dying" so nobody could bust me for being a tie-dyed Deadhead.
terra
Dec. 11, 2003, 08:55 PM
MHM, we're all leery. That's what makes it toxic and unuseful.
MHM
Dec. 11, 2003, 09:02 PM
Ah, but I'm leery in the "fun and joking around with like minds" way. Perhaps others are taking it more seriously than I. (Me? No, I. I think. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )
terra
Dec. 11, 2003, 10:20 PM
Ah, good.
You are Guildenstern.
Oldenburg Mom
Dec. 12, 2003, 05:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MHM:
Ah, but I'm leery in the "fun and joking around with like minds" way. Perhaps others are taking it more seriously than I. (Me? No, I. I think. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
AHA! Caught at last! You're doing this for FUN! Outed, MHM. You've been outed.
<KT rubs her hands together with glee realizing she has at LAST caught MHM with her proverbial "pants down." As KT strolls to the trading desk with that "look of eagles" in her eye, the traders hurriedly look down, not wanting to test KT's mettle this morning.>
It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed. (T. Roosevelt)
KT
P.S. The more people I get to know, the more I love my horse.
hoopoe
Dec. 12, 2003, 06:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> CTT just stepped back into hiding again. Too afraid of you mean Nazis. I am not at all entertained with people’s long letters to me about my grammar or spelling and I do not feel it is anyone’s right to hack on me about it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
CTT has been a long term member of this BB and has made some stunning contributions. Review the "Favorites" forum.
CTT I hate the idea that you might leave yet again. Even more that there are people here so self righteous as to e mail you over this issue. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif
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The ancient Greeks did not write obituaries. They only wanted to know if you had a passion.
MHM
Dec. 12, 2003, 06:07 AM
Well, of course I'm doing it for fun! What is the purpose of this BB, if not for fun and entertainment?!?
I'm leery of getting caught in a grammar goof on this thread just as I'd be leery of getting a balloon in the face during a water fight- I'd rather avoid it, but it wouldn't be the end of the world.
I'd just rather be the one wielding the hose!
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Midge
Dec. 12, 2003, 06:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MHM:
Ah, but I'm leery in the "fun and joking around with like minds" way. Perhaps others are taking it more seriously than I. (Me? No, I. I think. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think it's me. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Others is the subject. It would be I if you said, 'Others and I are taking...'.
I could be wrong so turn on the hose, just in case. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
nightsong
Dec. 12, 2003, 06:35 AM
Since you asked, it's "I", because you are doing something (taking it). It helps A LOT to imagine "am" at the sentence: "Perhaps others are taking it more seriously than I am." Subject/object can be SO hard to determine; the other way to determine I/me, I is doing and me is being done to, is easier.
Now, I'm not being picky, I only posted this because people asked. I really don't care; I understood the sentence just fine.
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Oldenburg Mom
Dec. 12, 2003, 06:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MHM:
Well, of course I'm doing it for fun! What is the purpose of this BB, if not for fun and entertainment?!?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<KT grins, as she realizes that MHM took her dangled bait, hook, line and sinker. KT can be seen wiggling with glee ... and she continues to tease MHM. She is a bit suspicious, however, that MHM is leading her down the garden path, just waiting to pounce, once KT is really off guard.>
It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed. (T. Roosevelt)
KT
P.S. The more people I get to know, the more I love my horse.
MHM
Dec. 12, 2003, 06:44 AM
Midge-
I believe it should be "I" since the implied verb would be "am taking." (Others may be taking it more seriously than I *am taking it*.)
But since I'm not taking it that seriously, why quibble?
<MHM remains poised with hose at the ready, prepared for whatever may come her way.)
Edited to add, norahlee beat me to it, and KT should keep her shower cap handy!
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Oldenburg Mom
Dec. 12, 2003, 06:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MHM:
<MHM remains poised with hose at the ready, prepared for whatever may come her way.><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif
It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed. (T. Roosevelt)
KT
P.S. The more people I get to know, the more I love my horse.
Midge
Dec. 12, 2003, 07:22 AM
MHM, do you have that hose hooked to the hot or cold? <bbbrrr>
MHM
Dec. 12, 2003, 08:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Midge:
MHM, do you have that hose hooked to the hot or cold? <bbbrrr><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh, definitely warm! Cold water is just cruel unless it's at least 85 degrees outside!
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CTT
Dec. 12, 2003, 08:43 AM
Don't wory Hoopoe Im not going anywhere. But I am tired of it..... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
SillyHorse
Dec. 12, 2003, 08:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CTT:
I am not at all entertained with people’s long letters to me about my grammar or spelling and I do not feel it is anyone’s right to hack on me about it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What the fuh??? People write to you about that? Sounds like there are some people on this board who need a hobby. Let me suggest horseback riding. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
SillyHorse
~ You can do anything if you want it bad enough. That is why we see so many people who can fly. ~
CTT
Dec. 12, 2003, 09:16 AM
It typicly comes from new people who don't know us old timers have come to accept these issues.
yventer
Jun. 6, 2007, 12:47 AM
I'm bumpimg this up because I *do* feel some people need a "hobby". (If that's what you call using "proper" or "standard" English.) (As opposed to text messaging abbreviated messages to people you don't really know.)
When I'm shopping online and I come to a website with numerous mispellings and/or grammatical errors, I'm much less likely to buy from them: I assume they're as inept at customer service as they are at putting up a website! I mean, WTF?? For grammer and spelling errors to appear on the website it means that they either originated with the client and were not corrected by the webmaster, or were caused by the webmaster and not corrected by the client. Either way, it's sloppy.
I know, I'm a grammer nazi. And I've probably made numerous mistakes in the above, but the difference is that i *care*! So please correct me!
Yvonne
Bluey
Jun. 6, 2007, 12:51 AM
I'm bumpimg this up because I *do* feel some people need a "hobby". (If that's what you call using "proper" or "standard" English.) (As opposed to text messaging abbreviated messages to people you don't really know.)
When I'm shopping online and I come to a website with numerous mispellings and/or grammatical errors, I'm much less likely to buy from them: I assume they're as inept at customer service as they are at putting up a website! I mean, WTF?? For grammer and spelling errors to appear on the website it means that they either originated with the client and were not corrected by the webmaster, or were caused by the webmaster and not corrected by the client. Either way, it's sloppy.
I know, I'm a grammer nazi. And I've probably made numerous mistakes in the above, but the difference is that i *care*! So please correct me!
Yvonne
Pssst, I think it is "gramm-a-r".:)
spiderbelle
Jun. 6, 2007, 01:06 AM
I'll add my name to the list of spelling/grammar freaks. I'm an high school English teacher-to-be -- can't wait to unleash my OCD wrath on unsuspecting students making careless mistakes. :D I actually edit my posts if I find the smallest grammatical error . . . I'll even edit posts if I just don't like how a certain sentence 'sounds'. (Dork.)
yventer
Jun. 6, 2007, 01:10 AM
Pssst, I think it is "gramm-a-r".:)
I *knew* I'd make a mistake somwhere! Thanks!!
Y
spotted mustang
Jun. 6, 2007, 04:11 AM
My pet peeve is that no one in America (except moi, of course :D) knows the difference between "to lie" and "to lay" anymore.
So here: "to lay, laid, laid" requires an object. You can lay eggs, people, things; you can lay down the law or lay waste to the country side. But if it's just you and your bed, you're lying (to lie, lay, lain), not laying - unless you're laying eggs, which is an impressive feat, if not a grammatical one.
So when someone tells you "I was laying in bed", a proper response might be, "whom?".
spotted mustang
Jun. 6, 2007, 04:31 AM
Here's another one. I once graded an essay question on an anatomy exam, and out of 39 people, NOT ONE could correctly spell "diarrhea" (or diarrhoea, if you're british). Okay, it's not an easy word, but out of 39 college students you'd hope there'd be at least one or two who could get it right (sigh).
Instead I got stuff like:
direa
dayruh
dirreah
durrea
dearyeah
and my favorite:
diary
:D:D
Now excuse me. I'm going to write a bit in my diarrhea before I go to bed...
Bluey
Jun. 6, 2007, 07:57 AM
I'll add my name to the list of spelling/grammar freaks. I'm an high school English teacher-to-be -- can't wait to unleash my OCD wrath on unsuspecting students making careless mistakes. :D I actually edit my posts if I find the smallest grammatical error . . . I'll even edit posts if I just don't like how a certain sentence 'sounds'. (Dork.)
Oh, I edit and edit and edit and I still don't get it all right.:(
I will say that, from the several european languages I have learned, coming late to this phonetically challenging language here, I can understand why there are spelling bees and so many people that have a problem with English, even those born into it.
I think English is two definitely distinct languages, one the written one, another the spoken one and both are a compendium of a few rules filled with many exceptions.
The exceptions have to be learned each one on their own, those few rules are not very helpful.
There is a reason other languages don't have spelling bees, because when speaking we pronounce every LETTER in the word as we speak.
No need to have spelling bees that, because short of a few exceptions, you are clearly already hearing every letter in each word, barred a few well known exceptions.
In English you have individual letters AND groups of letters that produce all kinds of sounds and not always the same or close to it. Many of them.
Those of you that work so hard at getting it right, don't look down at those of us that have problems getting it all straight, because it is NOT easy.:no:
archieflies
Jun. 6, 2007, 09:25 AM
My pet peeve is that no one in America (except moi, of course :D) knows the difference between "to lie" and "to lay" anymore.
So here: "to lay, laid, laid" requires an object. You can lay eggs, people, things; you can lay down the law or lay waste to the country side. But if it's just you and your bed, you're lying (to lie, lay, lain), not laying - unless you're laying eggs, which is an impressive feat, if not a grammatical one.
So when someone tells you "I was laying in bed", a proper response might be, "whom?".
Oh my gosh, are you Mrs. Sandoval, my 10th grade Englishg teacher???? :) I also remember some emphatic lectures about how children are not "raised," children are "reared." I always found this funny, because in my world, horses rear. Writing essays on how I was "reared in East Texas" tended to bring back bad memories of evil horses...
I'm a reformed Grammar Nazi myself. You people [this board, the internet in general] cured me of it. I'm now fully convinced that grammar and spelling have gone to hell. Maybe the internet is like some 21st century version of the Great Vowel Shift or some sort of Norman invasion... maybe in 50 years English will be unrecognizeable and today's misspellers are actually the visionaries, the pioneers of Post-Modern English. I guess it is (its? it's? it doesn't matter anymore!) like the crest release. ;)
And if the internet hasn't fully desensitized me, I'm on my way to interview for job teaching 5th grade English. :cool:
Aggie4Bar
Jun. 6, 2007, 09:33 AM
But if it's just you and your bed, you're lying (to lie, lay, lain), not laying - unless you're laying eggs, which is an impressive feat, if not a grammatical one.
So when someone tells you "I was laying in bed", a proper response might be, "whom?".:lol: :lol: :lol:
Engineers are some of the worst writers. Ever. Being one of a very few engineers in the office who can write, guess how I spend a lot of my time? But I have to say, the grammar issues don't disturb me as much as the guys who float graphics and tables over the text and hit <Enter> 1,584,661,879,672 times to space them out. These are the same guys who'll set 52 tab stops in lieu of creating custom headings or - for one guy in particular - use <Enter> and a ton of spaces to justify text versus selecting the button at the top of the page. Reformatting hell. Bad grammar is much more easily fixed.
Those of you that work so hard at getting it right, don't look down at those of us that have problems getting it all straight, because it is NOT easy.Bluey, I don't think you have anything to worry about as far as grasp on the English language is concerned. You speak it - or write it, at least - better than a lot of us native speakers. "Compendium?" I had to look that one up. :lol:
Lori B
Jun. 6, 2007, 10:01 AM
Incorrect writing, spelling, and diction is physically painful for me to read, here and elsewhere. I try not to be a pain about it, but it does make me nuts. However, it's the constant mis-spelling and misuse of equestrian terms on this board that is least forgivable. I don't care if horsey folks can't spell 'prestidigitation', but 'confirmation', 'lounge', and similar???
I do understand that some folks are typing with one hand, wearing a cast, are dyslexic, and have other challenges. But many folks are just plain lazy. Step up and make an effort, that's all I ask.
ironbessflint
Jun. 6, 2007, 10:28 AM
So when someone tells you "I was laying in bed", a proper response might be, "whom?".
:lol::lol::lol::lol:
THIS, is officially my new favorite quote :D
Bogie
Jun. 6, 2007, 10:52 AM
As a writer, I do get a kick out of people who are using the wrong words. Especially when they are saying something snarky :D. Otherwise, I try not to notice. I try to remember that some (many?) people on this BB are probably only teens and that their vocabulary and spelling may lag behind mine. Then again, I'm not the best speller in the world either.
Mtn trails
Jun. 6, 2007, 11:08 AM
My biggest peeve is "advice" and "advise"
Advice = examples of correct usage -- Would you please give me some advice? I need your advice. Your advice is usually correct.
Advise = examples of correct usage -- I advise you not to eat that third Krispy Kreme. I need to be advised about whether or not to eat that third Krispy Kreme.
Also: When you are asking for help, say advice.
Ghazzu
Jun. 6, 2007, 11:12 AM
Here's another one. I once graded an essay question on an anatomy exam, and out of 39 people, NOT ONE could correctly spell "diarrhea" (or diarrhoea, if you're british). Okay, it's not an easy word, but out of 39 college students you'd hope there'd be at least one or two who could get it right (sigh).
Instead I got stuff like:
direa
dayruh
dirreah
durrea
dearyeah
and my favorite:
diary
:D:D
Now excuse me. I'm going to write a bit in my diarrhea before I go to bed...
Sigh.
I'm planning to announce that I'll be deducting points for spelling errors in my anatomy class this fall. (I can already hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth...)
JoZ
Jun. 6, 2007, 11:12 AM
Here's my pet peeve (in addition to many already mentioned) --
I am vigilant about proper spelling and grammar.
I am a spelling and grammar "nut".
Improper spelling and grammar drive me crazy.
I am not, however, a spelling and grammar "nazi". I'm not any KIND of a nazi.
I really hate how that term has come to be used. There is of course the Nazi Party association, but even its newer secondary meaning isn't exactly what I think many of you wish to convey:
b : one who is likened to a German Nazi : a harshly domineering, dictatorial, or intolerant person
Again, I recognize this is my pet peeve... carry on! I DO enjoy the discussion.
BigMick
Jun. 6, 2007, 01:33 PM
Words that are often misspelled:
Farrier - note the second letter is an "a", NOT an "e"
Definitely - note that the letter "a" appears nowhere in this word
Lose - used in a sentence "I hope I don't lose my favorite hoofpick."
Loose - used in a sentence "That horse is running loose."
chawley
Jun. 6, 2007, 01:49 PM
I'm a writer/editor for a large corporation, and after editing so many press releases, speeches, etc., over the years, I can say I'm fairly numb to it. I had a fairly good typo on this board once and was crucified by a select few for it. Nobody is perfect, so I feel we should give each other a pass on the board, or at the very least P.M. a major typo as to not front stage other posters. After all, this is supposed to be a place we come to learn, relax, and share our passion with others that are equally horse crazy....
All that being said, I can appreciate your post totally! :)
Hopefully
Jun. 6, 2007, 02:02 PM
OK, how about "fewer" vs. "less"????? This one drives me BANANAS! Also, "offer up". Excuse me, "offer up" is something a priest does with the sacrament. We mere mortals simply "offer". (which leads to 'we' vs. 'us'... help, I'm editing and I can't stop!)
Back to lurking.....
BeastieSlave
Jun. 6, 2007, 02:08 PM
I'm pretty easy going, but the incorrect use of lose/loose and chose/choose drive me nuts!
Where is that online dictionary site? I want to add it to my favoites :)
lizathenag
Jun. 6, 2007, 02:11 PM
Is there a clique for folks who are offended by the casual use of the word nazi?
Lori B
Jun. 6, 2007, 02:18 PM
www.merriamwebster.com
I think there is a clear distinction between occasional typographical errors and posts that have errors studded through them like raisins in a muffin. Hassling a fellow COTHer for one or two typos in a paragraph is a clear sign that one has too much free time and not enough Prozac. On the other hand, being tired of reading posts where few words are spelled correctly is completely understandable, IMHO.
BeastieSlave
Jun. 6, 2007, 02:23 PM
Thanks Lori B! :D
wishes4horses
Jun. 6, 2007, 02:25 PM
Definitely - note that the letter "a" appears nowhere in this word
Thank you. If someone else hadn't posted that I would have. For some reason, while other spelling errors just make me feel smugly superior, that one is like nails on a chalkboard to me.
You know, I think that many grammar errors could be overcome by learning an inflected foreign language. I never got who/whom etc. until I took some Latin a couple years ago. Suddenly the difference between subjects and objects, practically irrelevant in English, was vitally important. If I had kept with it a little longer I might have got the lay/lie thing as well! :lol:
Aggie4Bar
Jun. 6, 2007, 02:36 PM
You know, I think that many grammar errors could be overcome by learning an inflected foreign language. I never got who/whom etc. until I took some Latin a couple years ago. Suddenly the difference between subjects and objects, practically irrelevant in English, was vitally important. Interesting point. I never thought about it, but studying other languages did make me focus much more on the structure of English. It was a by-product of learning to think in a different format. But I think it does depend on the language. I've studied Spanish, German, and Russian - three very different languages from one another. Spanish did not have that analytical effect on me, but German and Russian really made my wheels spin.
Camstock
Jun. 6, 2007, 02:37 PM
If you really want to quit volunteering correction of other people's posts, all you need to do is develop empathy. I realize you asked to not have your original post corrected, thereby preemptively protecting yourself from experiencing the effects that your sytem of behaviour inflicts on some others. (I suppose not all, becasue some are very good at the "water off a duck" thing.)
For instance, the sentence following this one has an error. You wrote, "But the genetic heritage of my teacher parents plus my own indoctrination via grad school makes it hard." The subject of that sentence, 'genetic heritage of my teacher parents plus my own indoctrination via grad school' is a plural one. In order to be correct, the verb would also need to agree, thus eliminating "makes" as a possibility and suggesting "make" as correct, as in "They make".
Now, examine how you feel at this moment. It is not fun to be corrected. Yucky feeling inside. Sorry. I didn't like doing that, I am doing it in an effort to help you get out of the habit you said you wanted to eradicate in your original post. Please remember this next time you have the urge to nitpick. Empathy rules.
All that said, my particular aversion is "couldn't care less" when "could care less" is really what the communicator is attempting to convey. But I just giggle to myself about it.
Edited to say, Ha! That last paragraph's sentiment is backwards! I am a total knob! Ha!
Old Jr. Hunter
Jun. 6, 2007, 02:40 PM
Well, I am a punctuation nazi, so remember, Yventer, the comma belongs inside the quotation marks (i.e., "lounge,").
Bluey
Jun. 6, 2007, 02:44 PM
Thank you. If someone else hadn't posted that I would have. For some reason, while other spelling errors just make me feel smugly superior, that one is like nails on a chalkboard to me.
You know, I think that many grammar errors could be overcome by learning an inflected foreign language. I never got who/whom etc. until I took some Latin a couple years ago. Suddenly the difference between subjects and objects, practically irrelevant in English, was vitally important. If I had kept with it a little longer I might have got the lay/lie thing as well! :lol:
Lets not forget the problem of the missing plural in English.
That seems to cause some confusion when addressing someone and meaning at times them, at others "all of you".
Old Jr. Hunter
Jun. 6, 2007, 02:50 PM
Bluey, you are so busted! It should be "all of you." Not "all of you". :)
Aggie4Bar
Jun. 6, 2007, 03:07 PM
Actually, punctuation inside or outside of the final quotation mark is a stylistic preference. There is no hard and set rule. With the exclusion of quoted speech, the punctuation was traditionally outside the final quotation, but this changed with the printing press, when the larger character (set of quotations) was used as a means to protect the smaller one (comma, period).
My own beef about commas has to do with abbreviated titles like "MD" or "Corp". I was always taught that a title seperated by a comma needed to be followed by one. As an example, "John Doe, P.E., is well known in his field," versus, "John Doe, P.E. is well known in his field." But nobody ever includes the second comma. MS Word's grammar check will even flag it as wrong, which I just find strange. I suspect this is probably a US versus British type of punctuation discrepancy.
Interesting convo to be having on CoTH anyway. :lol:
Ghazzu
Jun. 6, 2007, 03:17 PM
Words that are often misspelled:
Definitely - note that the letter "a" appears nowhere in this word
On that note, the word "ridiculous" does not contain the letter "e".
Ghazzu
Jun. 6, 2007, 03:21 PM
Now, examine how you feel at this moment. It is not fun to be corrected. Yucky feeling inside. Sorry. I didn't like doing that, I am doing it in an effort to help you get out of the habit you said you wanted to eradicate in your original post. Please remember this next time you have the urge to nitpick. Empathy rules.
I disagree.
It does not make me feel "yucky...inside" to be corrected when I am in error.
(Thank goodness for that. Otherwise I'd commit seppuku after a jumping lesson.)
There is a difference between correction and derision.
spotted mustang
Jun. 6, 2007, 03:22 PM
Sigh.
I'm planning to announce that I'll be deducting points for spelling errors in my anatomy class this fall. (I can already hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth...)
Oh my. We did that once, and we just about had a mutiny on our hands. We found we had to reduce deductions for spelling errors to a symbolic 1/4 point; otherwise, all of them would have failed on the basis of spelling alone. :D All we wanted to get across was the idea that correct spelling in anatomy is absolutely vital, because there are so many similar words with completely different meanings.
some examples my students always get wrong:
ilium: part of your hip bone
ileum: part of your small intestine
pancreas: an organ
pancrease: an enzyme
foramen: an opening or window through a bone
foreman: a guy who works on a ranch
foramen magnum: the opening in the occipital bone at the base of your skull
foreman magnum: a really big guy who works on a ranch, I suppose
spiderbelle
Jun. 6, 2007, 03:32 PM
OK, maybe I'm not as obsessive-compulsive as I thought. I'm not going to nitpick anyone for occasional mistakes because I'm sure I make those myself. Plus, it is true that not everyone speaks/writes English as their first language, nor do native English speakers automatically have a 'natural' grasp of the myriad idiosyncrasies of the language. (It's obviously NOT natural, since most people don't have it.)
However, it REALLY irks me to see common words being mangled -- for instance, when it comes to horses, seeing misspellings such as 'bridal' for basic terms. I also really hate misplaced/unnecessary apostrophes (ex. I have two horse's.).
I'm fine with calling myself a grammar freak, but not a nazi. Nazis are bad.
Camstock
Jun. 6, 2007, 03:34 PM
There is a difference between correction and derision.
Yep. And I'm seeing a lot of both on this board.
Unsolicited advice regarding grammer is fundamentally different than remunerated advice from a professional.
equinelaw
Jun. 6, 2007, 03:44 PM
It makes me feel yucky to be corrected. I also have many friends who are professors and can't spell--some of who/whom are dyslexic and have worked very hard to outgrow the taunts of their childhood classmates.
Is just as rude to correct others errors as it is to make them in the first place.
In an informal setting such as a BB or forum some slack should be acceptable, but in no forum should flat out rudeness be acceptable by correcting people who did not come here for a spelling lesson.
That said, I do understand how it can drive you crazy, but imagine if people told you everything you did wrong on a horse or if some unasked person constantly told you your horse was lame, not on the bit, ugly, too much for you ect. . . .
If we want advice we ususally ask. I haven't seen too many posts asking for grammer lessons in the COTH.
I usually get Re:'s with the comment "spellcheck is free, you should use it" I reply so is courtesy.
I do feel your pain, but its your choice not to read what offends you and we are not all perfect spellers.
I mostly greatly enjoy this place, but I wonder why I had a vivid nightmare about being in high school last night. Anxiety that somewhere, someone was laughing at my poor spelling I guess.
We all have out pet peves, but when did it become acceptable to critisize total strangers?
I am not directing this to any particular person or post, its just that as a naturally bad speller and almost blind without bifocals now I just wonder when spelling became more important than kindness. Seeing lame horse drives me crazy but I would never take it upon myself to tell the rider unless asked my opinion.
I used to spell very well, but some bad teacher jumped on me for one mistake so hard I just stopped. All the teachers out there should learn something from that--I'm not sure what--but something. . ?
For some strange reason althogh I can;t spell myself, I can see a mis-spelled word or typo others wrote from a mile away. Its is jarring and bothersome, but to mention it if not asked? I'd feel bad.
archieflies
Jun. 6, 2007, 03:51 PM
Edited to say, Ha! That last paragraph's sentiment is backwards! I am a total knob! Ha!
Hahaha, I am glad you pointed that out- I read it about 5 times trying to figure out why someone would ever mean to say that they could care less. I wasn't getting your point. :) See, mistakes make thsi board fun!
Tiki
Jun. 6, 2007, 03:51 PM
There is a reason other languages don't have spelling bees, because when speaking we pronounce every LETTER in the word as we speak. I guess you've never run into Irish or Gaelic then, have you? Baile ath Cliath (or Dublin) pronounced Bla Clia.
I sure do wish them people out their thinking they's good speller's and grammatician's wood leaf myself alone and not kerrect my bad spelling and grammer to much. If myself cud be hear more offen on this hear bord talking about boarders having prolems with they're horses then us cud hav more fun. Its only a matter of time that sum of us kin spend too make sure words is spelld rite. Its easy for myself becuz I been to school alot and used to compet in spelling be's. I here youse guys though sum peeple don like to bee keerected very good. Some peeple beared the brunt of the prolems and some din't.
archieflies
Jun. 6, 2007, 03:53 PM
Lets not forget the problem of the missing plural in English.
That seems to cause some confusion when addressing someone and meaning at times them, at others "all of you".
Come on Bluey, you live in Texas. You KNOW we have already solved that one. :) Or do "y'all" not speak Texan in your part of the state?;)
Windsor1
Jun. 6, 2007, 03:55 PM
Actually, punctuation inside or outside of the final quotation mark is a stylistic preference. There is no hard and set rule.
I actually thought the rules governing closing quotes and other punctuation were hard and fast (or about as hard and fast as these kinds of rules ever are, anyway), so I looked it up--in four different style guides/manuals (Chicago, AP, Hodges' Harbrace College Handbook [10th Edition], and Turabian's A Manual for Writers of Term Papers, Theses, and Dissertations)! Each one of them states that periods and commas go within quotation marks, but that dashes, semicolons, question marks and exclamation points go within quotation marks "when they apply to the quoted matter only" (to quote AP).
None of these books seems to consider it a stylistic preference, although a couple of them do specify that these "rules" apply in American usage.
That said, Chicago DOES mention an alternative system:
According to what is sometimes called the British style (set forth in The Oxford Guide to Style [the successor to Harts Rules; see bibliog. 1.1]), a style also followed in other English-speaking countries, only those punctuation points that appeared in the original material should be included within the quotation marks; all others follow the closing quotation marks. This system, which requires extreme authorial precision and occasional decisions by the editor or typesetter, works best with single quotation marks. (The British tend to use double quotation marks only for quotations within quotations.)
Now I feel all yucky inside.:p
Ghazzu
Jun. 6, 2007, 03:55 PM
Oh my. We did that once, and we just about had a mutiny on our hands. We found we had to reduce deductions for spelling errors to a symbolic 1/4 point; otherwise, all of them would have failed on the basis of spelling alone. :D All we wanted to get across was the idea that correct spelling in anatomy is absolutely vital, because there are so many similar words with completely different meanings.
I think I'm going to temper it by offering to restore the points if the work is resubmitted with
corrections.
After all, these people are going to be writing in medical records, which are legal documents. They need to get it right.
Ghazzu
Jun. 6, 2007, 04:01 PM
Yep. And I'm seeing a lot of both on this board.
Unsolicited advice regarding grammer is fundamentally different than remunerated advice from a professional.
What then, would be your position if someone posted veterinary advice which was seriously incorrect to the point of being dangerous?
Should I, out of courtesy, refrain from comment so as to not render the insides of the poster "yucky"?
Camstock
Jun. 6, 2007, 04:06 PM
Fine sport, Ghazzu, but I won't be baited into it. I'm comfortable that my position is clear and wish you well.
Old Jr. Hunter
Jun. 6, 2007, 04:27 PM
I actually thought the rules governing closing quotes and other punctuation were hard and fast (or about as hard and fast as these kinds of rules ever are, anyway), so I looked it up--in four different style guides/manuals (Chicago, AP, Hodges' Harbrace College Handbook [10th Edition], and Turabian's A Manual for Writers of Term Papers, Theses, and Dissertations)! Each one of them states that periods and commas go within quotation marks, but that dashes, semicolons, question marks and exclamation points go within quotation marks "when they apply to the quoted matter only" (to quote AP).
None of these books seems to consider it a stylistic preference, although a couple of them do specify that these "rules" apply in American usage.
That said, Chicago DOES mention an “alternative system”:
“According to what is sometimes called the British style (set forth in The Oxford Guide to Style [the successor to Hart’s Rules; see bibliog. 1.1]), a style also followed in other English-speaking countries, only those punctuation points that appeared in the original material should be included within the quotation marks; all others follow the closing quotation marks. This system, which requires extreme authorial precision and occasional decisions by the editor or typesetter, works best with single quotation marks. (The British tend to use double quotation marks only for quotations within quotations.)”
Now I feel all yucky inside.:p
Thanks, Windsor, for backing me up. You are right. "The Chicago Manual of Style" is the Bible!
Ghazzu
Jun. 6, 2007, 04:32 PM
Fine sport, Ghazzu, but I won't be baited into it. I'm comfortable that my position is clear and wish you well.
As is mine--spelling and punctuation count.
catknsn
Jun. 6, 2007, 04:32 PM
Yventer, I feel your pain. Enough time on the board and you will become somewhat desensitized, BUT---
It's longe!!! LONGE, LONGE, LONGE!!!!!
I'll go quietly now.
(Slinks off after annual post on dressage forum.)
lolololol...that is probably the one that tweaks me the most. Every time someone posts about their horse "loungeing," I picture him wearing a straw hat with a pail full of pina coladas and a flowered straw sticking out of it.
Aggie4Bar
Jun. 6, 2007, 04:39 PM
Clearly, I should have said "international stylistic preference". Next thing I know, you'll being insisting that "humour" doesn't have "u" in it. Pfft. ;)
BeastieSlave
Jun. 6, 2007, 05:22 PM
Okay, this was touched on before the thread was revived and it needs to be repeated: "I" is a subject, not an object.
It is correct to say, "Jim and I went to the store."
It is not correct to say, "He went to the store with Jim and I."
If you can't remember that, a neat trick is to remove the other person (Jim in this case) from the sentence and it should still make sense.
"I went to the store." and "He went to the store with I." illustrate the trick.
(Please note that I do not claim to be the qeen of punctuation)
Ghazzu
Jun. 6, 2007, 05:24 PM
Okay, this was touched on before the thread was revived and it needs to be repeated: "I" is a subject, not an object.
It is correct to say, "Jim and I went to the store."
It is not correct to say, "He went to the store with Jim and I."
If you can't remember that, a neat trick is to remove the other person (Jim in this case) from the sentence and it should still make sense.
"I went to the store." and "He went to the store with I." illustrate the trick.
(Please note that I do not claim to be the qeen of punctuation)
Doesn't this depend on whether or not the speaker is a Rastafarian? :D
BeastieSlave
Jun. 6, 2007, 05:33 PM
Doesn't this depend on whether or not the speaker is a Rastafarian? :D
:lol: Of course, there are many exceptions.... ;)
Chief2
Jun. 6, 2007, 05:33 PM
I am assuming that, after reading all ten pages of this thread, most of the posters are adults. In a few weeks the kids will be out of school and we will be dancing through their text messaging interspersed with spelling errors and no regard for paragraphs, periods or anything else resembling grammar and punctuation. HAGT,YOGL! (Have a great time, ye old grammar lovers!)
Sincerely, your bff,
Chief! :)
BeastieSlave
Jun. 6, 2007, 05:37 PM
:lol: Mine are already out! :eek:
I love that cellular phone commercial: TISNF! (That Is So Not Fair! - you have to emphasise the words just right to sound like a teenaged girl) is now standard at my house. We don't text it, we just say it though :D
Chief2
Jun. 6, 2007, 05:40 PM
Beastie Slave, you're reading my mind! :)
Rachel L
Jun. 6, 2007, 06:28 PM
Is there a clique for folks who are offended by the casual use of the word nazi?
I'll join.
stpat
Jun. 6, 2007, 07:11 PM
Yventer, you should go to the forum marked, "what do you think of this email." After reading that message, you should completely destruct! :winkgrin: Best of luck controlling your OCD when it comes to grammar and spelling. Keep in mind that many of us know better, but simply type while doing other projects. I think they call it, controlled chaos. Or is it multi-tasking? They both run together for me!
Tiki
Jun. 6, 2007, 11:47 PM
So, I can no longer say,
Me went to the store, or
Myself went to the store, or
Jim and me went to the store, or
Jim went to the store with Mary and I AND while we were their we picked up some of them chittlins and brought them back hear and we shoulda did it befoar becuz them chitlins was good (or was they well?).
MoonBallad
Jun. 6, 2007, 11:49 PM
[QUOTE=equinelaw;2483427]It makes me feel yucky to be corrected. I also have many friends who are professors and can't spell--some of who/whom are dyslexic and have worked very hard to outgrow the taunts of their childhood classmates.
Is just as rude to correct others errors as it is to make them in the first place.
In an informal setting such as a BB or forum some slack should be acceptable, but in no forum should flat out rudeness be acceptable by correcting people who did not come here for a spelling lesson.
I agree wholeheartedly - are some people so perfect that they feel the need to "correct" other people's errors unasked? Or is it that they have so little else to be concerned with in life that the misspellings of others is so important that they feel the need to "correct" another person so publicly? I also can't wrap my head around the idea of judging what kind of person the poster is or their level of intelligence based on some misspelled words - How many of our acclaimed geniuses were/are dyslexic? They couldn't spell either. It just seems pretty petty and shallow to me.
There are just way too many people who's posts I enjoy very much that couldn't spell their way out of a paper bag and frankly I will never judge them or make assumptions about them based on their spelling talent or lack of it.
Kate66
Jun. 6, 2007, 11:50 PM
Please can someone send me Jim's phone number - sounds like he is going to the store for everyone and I could certainly do with some help there!
Kate66
Jun. 6, 2007, 11:57 PM
[QUOTE=equinelaw;2483427]
I agree wholeheartedly - are some people so perfect that they feel the need to "correct" other people's errors unasked? Or is it that they have so little else to be concerned with in life that the misspellings of others is so important that they feel the need to "correct" another person so publicly? I also can't wrap my head around the idea of judging what kind of person the poster is or their level of intelligence based on some misspelled words - How many of our acclaimed geniuses were/are dyslexic? They couldn't spell either. It just seems pretty petty and shallow to me.
I guess it comes down to the different way that people have been brought up or the way that their minds work. We all tend to jump to conclusions, like it or not, depending on different attributes - accents, the way people dress, personal habits etc. They are generalisations, but unfortunately we all make assumptions in our own way. The interesting thing about a bulletin board, email or the internet, is that all you see of someone is how they write, and therefore that is the only information that you have to make a judgement on. When I was internet dating (a long time ago), my ad actually read something like "please do not respond unless you are capable of stringing together a coherent sentence without the aid of a dictionary". Arrogant or not, the fact is that I KNEW that I would end up just getting irritated at someone corresponding with me who could not spell or, at least the majority of the time, use correct grammar.
BeastieSlave
Jun. 7, 2007, 08:37 AM
Hey! Jim's all mine - hands off!!
scottishgirl
Jun. 7, 2007, 09:14 AM
lolololol...that is probably the one that tweaks me the most. Every time someone posts about their horse "loungeing," I picture him wearing a straw hat with a pail full of pina coladas and a flowered straw sticking out of it.
Sadly, being a Brit, I find myself screaming;
"It's LUNGING, LUNGING I tell you!" at my monitor.
You can't win!
Aggie4Bar
Jun. 7, 2007, 09:31 AM
Do we have to fight over Jim?
'Cuz me 'n Jim had supper last week, and he done all the cookin' hisself. And I ain't so sure I wanna share him.
:D
-----
"Hisself" and "theirselves" are words I hear often. They come out of the mouths of some very well educated people, too.
One of my friends was complaining about the way her mother talks a few days ago. Instead of saying, "Suzy will drive me to... " she says, "Suzy will ride me to... " That one struck me as funny.
Old Jr. Hunter
Jun. 7, 2007, 10:25 AM
Jim's prolly cheatin' on you.
Another pet peeve of mine is the use of "myself" in all the wrong places. That has become pretty popular.
Also, the use of the word "literally." It has replaced the word "like."
Did you see the SNL skit a while back with everyone overusing the word "literally"? It was hilarious!
Sdhaurmsmom
Jun. 7, 2007, 10:35 AM
[quote=baileygreyhorse;1191383]I'm a high school English teacher and I do notice these little grammar infractions. On the other hand, I think I have become desensitized over the years from reading so many really bad essays. Yventer- I could send you some papers to grade. You know, as a kind of "sacking-out" for the grammar sensitive. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
Pftwww@! on the keyboard... :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Windsor1
Jun. 7, 2007, 10:50 AM
And another thing:
Just before you ride into the ring, when your nerves have you feeling like you're going to hurl--what you feel is not "nauseous," it's nauseated.
Unless, of course, you feel fine but you make everyone AROUND you want to puke, in which case you are, in fact, nauseous.
:D
catknsn
Jun. 7, 2007, 11:56 AM
Can I ask a question of the Europeans/Canadians here?
Is it correctly spelled lounging in your countries, as it is humour and flavour over there?
If so, I will ensure that I only snark at Americans who use that spelling :)
I did live in Canada for a year and I adapted pretty quickly to using the proper alternative spellings while I was there, but I don't recall that one coming up.
Aggie4Bar
Jun. 7, 2007, 12:08 PM
Neither Canandian nor European here, but I grew up across the pond and never saw "lounging". The spellings were either "longeing" (classical spelling) or "lungeing" (adapted spelling) just as they are here. Lounging is something you do on a beach with a drink in one hand and a cabana boy at your beck and call. :D
Tiki
Jun. 7, 2007, 12:18 PM
Hey, Jim, come over hear, I have sum shopping I want you to do for myself. I shoulda did it yestidy, but I run outa time and din't got no time to finish it.
findeight
Jun. 7, 2007, 12:27 PM
i CAN STAND THE BAD SPELLING. bUT not THE COMPLETE failure TO UNDERSTAND THE CAPS lock.
Druid Acres
Jun. 7, 2007, 12:48 PM
This BB DOES have a spell checker! It's the little check mark with the ABC above it in the upper right corner of the window where you compose your post. Of course, I've never used it since I'm an awesome speller ;) but it's there if you need it!
zannebar
Jun. 7, 2007, 12:56 PM
And another thing:
Just before you ride into the ring, when your nerves have you feeling like you're going to hurl--what you feel is not "nauseous," it's nauseated.
Unless, of course, you feel fine but you make everyone AROUND you want to puke, in which case you are, in fact, nauseous.
:D
Windsor -- that's my favorite, instilled in me by a beloved 12th-grade English teacher. Unfortunately, though, progress has marched on, and most dictionaries now consider the two to be synonyms. But I still giggle when someone says "god, I am so nauseous" (and think, "you sure are!"). :D
RiddleMeThis
Jun. 7, 2007, 01:07 PM
And another thing:
Just before you ride into the ring, when your nerves have you feeling like you're going to hurl--what you feel is not "nauseous," it's nauseated.
Unless, of course, you feel fine but you make everyone AROUND you want to puke, in which case you are, in fact, nauseous.
:D
So is it I feel nauseated or I feel nauseous???
SillyHorse
Jun. 7, 2007, 01:13 PM
If you feel you're going to make someone else puke, you feel nauseous.
fabulousfred
Jun. 7, 2007, 01:13 PM
My husband is from Norway. I know he's got the whole ESL thing on his side but I get so frustrated at his grammar and spelling. It makes me mad! He's been her 16 years so it's time he took the time and figured it out. People are lazy.
findeight
Jun. 7, 2007, 01:53 PM
My husband is from Norway....He's been her 16 years
:lol::lol::lol: those gender neutral Scandanavians.
Windsor1
Jun. 7, 2007, 02:00 PM
Windsor -- that's my favorite, instilled in me by a beloved 12th-grade English teacher. Unfortunately, though, progress has marched on, and most dictionaries now consider the two to be synonyms.
You're right--more on the subject here:
http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-nau1.htm
My Oxford American Dictionary still maintains that "Careful writers do not use nauseous in its second [experiencing nausea] sense. Write we felt nauseated not we felt nauseous.
Chicago states that The use of nauseous may be too common to be called error anymore, but strickly speaking it is poor usage.
This is why terms like "puke" and "hurl" are so handy. :)
Janet
Jun. 7, 2007, 02:39 PM
Can I ask a question of the Europeans/Canadians here?
Is it correctly spelled lounging in your countries, as it is humour and flavour over there?
If so, I will ensure that I only snark at Americans who use that spelling :)
No. Not "lounging", but both "longeing" and "lungeing" are correct. Yes. In British English, as used in Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, as well as the UK, the corect spellings are colour, flavour, etc., as well as centre, theatre, and so on. And don't forget aluminium.
Erin
Jun. 7, 2007, 02:53 PM
This has to be HORSE RELATED.
If you want to kvetch about spelling in general, do it elsewhere.
Bluey
Jun. 7, 2007, 04:41 PM
My husband is from Norway. I know he's got the whole ESL thing on his side but I get so frustrated at his grammar and spelling. It makes me mad! He's been her 16 years so it's time he took the time and figured it out. People are lazy.
Hey, we are not "lazy", just clueless.:confused:
When half the people don't speak correctly, how are we to learn?:(
---"This BB DOES have a spell checker! It's the little check mark with the ABC above it in the upper right corner of the window where you compose your post. Of course, I've never used it since I'm an awesome speller but it's there if you need it!"---
NOW you tell me? Thank you!:)
Didn't work, has to be downloaded, etc.:no:
Horse related: When I came over, not speaking one word of English, I spoke "horse" and got along fine, thank you.
There are no words needed to communicate with horses.;)
Chief2
Jun. 8, 2007, 10:57 AM
DruidAcres, thank you!
Old Jr. Hunter
Jun. 8, 2007, 02:13 PM
OK, I am not seeing the spellcheck. My window where I compose the post is just an empty block.
stpat
Jun. 8, 2007, 03:02 PM
OK, I am not seeing the spellcheck. My window where I compose the post is just an empty block.
I think you must download it from the internet or something. I do not have it either. :no:
Bluey
Jun. 8, 2007, 03:07 PM
On the upper right hand side of the posting window, there are the letters ABC above a blue check mark, the first icon of three there.
That is the spell check, but once you click on it, if your computer is set like mine, you have to download it, to access that program.
I don't like to download a bunch of stuff on my computer, makes it run too slow.
You will have to live with the misspelled words I don't catch.
Sannois
Jun. 8, 2007, 06:29 PM
On the upper right hand side of the posting window, there are the letters ABC above a blue check mark, the first icon of three there.
That is the spell check, but once you click on it, if your computer is set like mine, you have to download it, to access that program.
I don't like to download a bunch of stuff on my computer, makes it run too slow.
You will have to live with the misspelled words I don't catch.
All I have is Color and Bold and all the usual stuff, no spell check But I am using Safari.:confused:
Bluey
Jun. 8, 2007, 06:36 PM
It is right above the smilies on my posting window.
Bold and such are on the top left side, not right.:confused:
How about asking below the Off Course forum, where you can ask the moderators?
Sannois
Jun. 8, 2007, 06:36 PM
Since we are discussing grammer and spelling, how about this one. I had a coworker that repeatedly said I Brang it from home or its storeboughten:confused::eek::no:
stpat
Jun. 8, 2007, 07:11 PM
Since we are discussing grammer and spelling, how about this one. I had a coworker that repeatedly said I Brang it from home or its storeboughten:confused::eek::no:
Ok, in the south, instead of saying, "chimney", some say, "chimley." I am not sure what that is about but even my dad says that. I have noticed alot of the old guys say this. :lol:
stpat
Jun. 8, 2007, 07:13 PM
OMG! I found the spell check! Now if they just had one for grammar.
Sannois
Jun. 8, 2007, 08:23 PM
Ok, in the south, instead of saying, "chimney", some say, "chimley." I am not sure what that is about but even my dad says that. I have noticed alot of the old guys say this. :lol:
Now that you say that I remember mu dear Grand poppy saying Chimley. LOL I was just a kid but I remember that, NEver questioned it either! LOL:eek::winkgrin:
Huntrs+eq
Jun. 8, 2007, 09:31 PM
One mistake i see quite often is "ect." The abbreviation is "etc." and stands for "et cetera" (= and the rest). Latin may be a dead language but it still comes in handy every once in a while! :)
Erin
Jun. 8, 2007, 09:44 PM
Sorry... y'all got your warning, and this is not horse-related.
If you are having trouble figuring out the BB spell check, do a search in the Help forum.
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