View Full Version : Trying to find out my OTTB's history! Help?
Mar. 1, 2011, 06:17 PM
So I paid for my dearly beloved OTTB's racing records, pedigree, etc. I'm having a lot of fun researching who he was and what he did before he ended up as my former awesome show hunter, now my retired (spoiled rotten!) pet and trail horse. I even found out that this Friday (Mar. 4) is his birthday!
So now I'm trying to find out more about his racing owner/trainer and breeder. I tried googling their names and literally NOTHING came up, which I thought was somewhat strange. His owner/trainer is listed as Richard M. Algerio and his breeder is Joan B. Bissett (listed as being from NY). Anyone know anything about them? I know it's a long shot and a pipe dream that they even remember my guy - he was a TERRIBLE race horse hahaha
Also, and this might be totally out there, but is there any way to get a copy of the winner's circle picture from the ONE race that he did win? Would I contact the track for that? Is it even possible? Thanks for sticking with me if you read this whole post :lol: - again, this is all just for fun since this horse is the absolute love of my life (besides DH of course!). Thanks for any help and suggestions!! :D
Mar. 1, 2011, 07:37 PM
If you know where your horse won then yes contact that track. Their photographer may have the old negatives for the win. If its not too long ago they may even be able to reproduce a video of the race.
Ask the track, for sure. I went through the same procedure....but they arent cheap !
PS: The Daily Racing Form can sell you the complete past performance charts for your horse. That way you would have the complete racing history and dates of all the races...in case you wanted more videos..... etc
Mar. 1, 2011, 08:14 PM
You can always pull stuff like pedigree and race charts on equibase.com (unless the races are a long time ago, in which case the charts might not be available.) It will still show you the dates and basic info on the races.
And yes, contact the track--if we're talking years and years the photographer might not be there any more, but they should have the name. More recent races, the photos are stored digitally. I was able to get multiple copies of Lucky's Gulfstream allowance win. You'll need the name of the track, the date of the race, the race number, and the horse's name.
Mar. 2, 2011, 09:16 AM
Thank you for your help! I did pay for and download his full race report from Equineline.com - so I know the exact race that he won, etc. It was in 1997 - is that too far back I wonder? I'll try to figure out which track it was (still trying to figure out how to read these reports - I don't know much about racing!)
Mar. 2, 2011, 10:03 AM
What's his name?
Mar. 2, 2011, 10:46 AM
What's his name?
Emily - His racing name was Don't Assume :lol:
Mar. 2, 2011, 11:05 AM
Joan Bissett has a farm on Long Island I believe. If I am thinking of the right person, she is the mother of Diane Nelson who was a jockey in NY for many years.
I'm in NY and follow the NY breds pretty well but I don't specifically recall your horse from his racing days. Do you know who trained him?
Mar. 2, 2011, 11:13 AM
OK well let's look at the race where he won...
He won a race that was a Maiden Claiming race running a distance of 1 mile and one sixteeth of a mile which was the second race on this day. . Only horses who had never won could run in it, and they were all available to be claimed for a price of $15,000-$13,000. Your guy was set at $13k. Going across his line here's what it all means:
1.) Last Raced: well kind fo a duh.. it means he last raced 17 days prior also at Finger Lakes in the 3rd race and finished 3rd.
2.) PGM : Was his Program number. He was #1
3.) Horse Name and Jockey (I think you know this ;) )
4.) Wgt: Weight he carried: 118lbs
5.) M/E: Medicine/Equipment. He was given Lasix (L) which is a typical anti-bleeder medication. And he was wearing blinkers (b)
6.) PP = Post Position. He was in post # 1, also known as the "rail" given that it's the closest to the inside rail of the track.
7.) Start: At the start he was 4th
8: 1/4: At a 1/4 mile into the race he was in second by a half a length
9.) 1/2: At a half mile into the race he was in second by 1 and a half lengths
10.) 3/4: At 3/4 of a mile into the race he was second by 3 and a half lengths
11.) Str: At the head of the stretch (also known as straightaway) he was in first by a head.
12.) Fin: At the finish he was first by a head.
13.) Odds: He was the favorite as he went off as the bettors choice (noted by the asterix) at odds of 3-1 (Someone else verify this part... I think I am right since he paid $5... )
14: Comments: Dueled and driving denotes that he and the second place horse were both trying. And driving denotes that he was surging forward and increasing his pace at the end.
15.) Fractional times: those are the times for the 1/4, 1/2, 3/4, 1 mile, and the final time.
16.) Split times: are the times in between the fractions above.
17.) Winner: Includes his basic pedigree and foaling info. He was a NY bred foal.
18.) Breeder and Owner I think you understand :-) PS... might be worth contacting her for a pic.
19.) Claiming prices include what the whole field was up for.
20.) Total WPS pool: Is how much money was bet on this race in all bets.
21.) The last thing is how much each of the top 3 paid.
(the two on the right.... 1-6 is the exacta, which is betting on which 2 horses will come in 1st and 2nd) and the 7-1 is a double... which two horses will win 2 races consecutively. In this case the #7 horse won the 1st race and your guy won this, the second race.
If you look now at the rest of his race charts on equibase (free btw) you should be able to translate the rest using this key.
Click on "see All Results"
Hope this helps. Feel free to ask more questions.
Mar. 2, 2011, 11:26 AM
Emily!!! You are so wonderful and amazing!! Thank you SO MUCH for taking the time to write that out for me - honestly I am so excited! This horse is the love of my life and I just wanted to find out more about his earlier days. Seriously, THANK YOU! :yes: :)
Linny - the link Emily provided says his trainer was Bruce Anderson, but the other paperwork I have says Richard M. Algerio? Trying to piece this all together!
Mar. 2, 2011, 11:35 AM
In all likelihood what you got may be showing who his last trainer was.
Just looked... yep last trainer was Richard.
He had a 12 race career... among those 12 starts I see that the 6/13/98 start was his last for Bruce as his trainer and Joan as his owner. It looks like a private sale as he wasn't claimed and ran back shortly thereafter for the same price.
All you have to do is go click through the equibase chart links and read carefully and slowly. Take notes...
A 12 race career is short and thus not a lot to figure out...
Now check out this one....Try to find the patterns in his record:
And yes.... he was first time blinkers in his 101st start!! I know... I saddled him.
Mar. 2, 2011, 11:48 AM
Wow! Now I do feel lucky that I only have to sift through 12 races! I really can't thank you enough for taking the time to educate me in all of this - I have learned a lot!! :D
Mar. 2, 2011, 11:57 AM
It's my pleasure Kay!
When you have some time why not read through the Racing 101 sticky thread on the top of the racing forum.
There are a ton of people who have contributed to this and there is a wealth of information to be learned from it.
All my best,
Mar. 2, 2011, 12:04 PM
I will definitely do that! :yes:
Mar. 2, 2011, 12:05 PM
Just as a heads up Kay, I added the post where I described your horses one race record to the Racing 101 thread.
It's already written out and others can learn from it.
So now you're a part of the whole learning process!!!