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vineyridge
Feb. 28, 2011, 11:47 AM
Got this and was totally bummed that I only have dial up and can't watch videos easily.


ST launches online video spot
The 1986 Breeders' Cup Steeplechase. English Grand Nationals from 1938 (Battleship), 1965 (Jay Trump) and 1980 (Ben Nevis). Plus individual races from the Carolina and Colonial Cups, the 2010 Eclipse Awards presentation and more You can watch them all on YouTube via the new ST Channel. We'll try to corral as much pertinent video information as we can, plunk them in our favorites and let you see them. Check back often, tell your friends and enjoy the ride.

Our favorite? Tough call but Census' romp in the first Breeders' Cup is fun to watch. The field seems to fly around Fair Hill with Turtle Head pushing the pace and Census literally flying his fences en route to the $250,000 win. Seems like a long time ago - one ST editor was in college while another had just gotten his driver's license.

Glimmerglass
Feb. 28, 2011, 02:52 PM
Thanks for posting that as I too received the ST-Times email giving notice of their new youtube page. The page link (to subscribe to, etc) is almost impossible to find if you search for it. So here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/user/STPublishing

When poking about I found this color version of the UK Grand National with its classic snappy voice-over commentary mixed with often far better camera work then seen today in most racing. Not to spoil it for anyone, but its one of the most unusual GN's ever: Grand National 1967 with Foinavon and John Buckingham up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0n--QhZQgI)

The horse, named for Scottish mountains, was owned by the Dutchess of Westminster and was sent off at 100-1. As noted in the video neither the owner nor trainer was there for the horse's greatest victory ;)

Drvmb1ggl3
Mar. 1, 2011, 02:06 AM
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When poking about I found this color version of the UK Grand National with its classic snappy voice-over commentary mixed with often far better camera work then seen today in most racing. Not to spoil it for anyone, but its one of the most unusual GN's ever: Grand National 1967 with Foinavon and John Buckingham up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0n--QhZQgI)



Here, instead of the Cliff notes, you can watch the real deal here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_9D8UDAcV4), with the famous commentary from Mícháel Ó hEithir (perhaps Meehawl's finest hour) and the ever dependable Peter O'Sullevan.
Btw, my granny had a 10 shillings each way on Foinavon... savage money in those days.

awm
Mar. 1, 2011, 09:29 AM
Being able to watch these Classics from the past is a dream come true!
I've seen Maryland Hunt Cups, Genesee Valley Hunt Cups (my home turf!)
and so many more, each video has connections to more, you could watch
for days on end!

Glimmerglass
Mar. 1, 2011, 10:05 AM
Btw, my granny had a 10 shillings each way on Foinavon... savage money in those days.

Sensational! You have to confess if you ever asked her - why did she make that bet? Was it perhaps the name?

I'm reminded with a long shot wager paying-off big being the stuff of legend in how The Beatles somewhat came to be. Pete Best, Lester Piggott, Never Say Die and the Singer Sewing Machine heir (http://www.drf.com/news/bell-indirectly-aided-piggott-and-beatles) all come together.

It will be nice if the Clancy brothers will be able to coax more historical video out of the archives from different NSA sources to be shared on-line.

Drvmb1ggl3
Mar. 3, 2011, 01:17 PM
Sensational! You have to confess if you ever asked her - why did she make that bet? Was it perhaps the name?

While I wish I could claim she was a formidable handicapper and judge of horseflesh, the method she used was the old trusted close your eyes and stick the pick in the newspaper method that actually gave her a decent return in the National over the years.

Just realised from looking at that site, that the BC Steeplechase in '86 was broadcast on NBC. I'm presuming live? maybe on delay, either way it was still on Network TV. How times have changed. Nowadays even the regular BC races are cable only.
Also, the purse of that race is still the same $250k twenty five years later. Shame.

Glimmerglass
Mar. 3, 2011, 03:30 PM
.... stick the pick in the newspaper method that actually gave her a decent return in the National over the years.

At least it paid off and handsomely at that.

1986 was the first year that steeplechasing was folded into the live NBC Breeders' Cup telecast. The 2 3/8-mile race from New Jersey aired on NBC at noon EST as part of the four-hour Breeders' Cup show which originating from Santa Anita that year.

I think it ceased being part of the BC tv package after 1989. The NSA continued to license the "Breeders' Cup" name with the year-end race at Fair Hills, NJ. Off hand I don't know if the race in 2010 did retain the BC title.

Agreed that shrinking purse sizes are a shame with NSA races, but the sport has always been exceedingly challenged with generating the $$ to increase the purses. Plans to tap into wagering and getting a cut of the handle to feed the purses stalled out. Last I read the NSA is backing off entirely from even putting efforts into this. (Some races do by virtue of being at a race track do get some wagering money kicked back - e.g., Saratoga - but that's a rare exception.)

To make it worse with that BC Steeplechase race in recent years the $250k purse at Fair Hills NJ (http://www.breederscup.com/content.aspx?id=20782) only was for BC nominated horses. So if your mount wasn't then they run for "just" $150k. Then again I think at best a handful of races like the Gold Cup in Virginia run for $150k. Everything else is run for less and mostly far, far less.

As the purses have floundered its only made it harder to get new owners and retain them too. While Ken & Sarah Ramsey have been a welcomed addition with their silks the sport has seen Cot's Dogwood Stables come and go ("dwindling interest with steeplechase partnerships") and Augustin Stables. The latter did of course almost outright own the sport for a long stretch. Sort of a and when Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer. His departure has perhaps opened the door for multiple outfits to have a chance.

Good news for those interested in steeplechasing for the New York region.

New York Racing Association will have a novice stakes at Belmont Park July 3 and then three additional jump races have been added to the Saratoga schedule.

WhiteCamry
Mar. 3, 2011, 03:32 PM
Foinavon's '67 GN was the most spectacular but, for me, the hardest fought in the telesvion era was Red Marauder (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FBUjadDoSY)'s 2001 win in the rain: 40 starters, 4 finishers and the last two were remounts. 11m 0.1 in a race which normally runs under 10m!
:eek:

vineyridge
Mar. 3, 2011, 04:01 PM
Strawbridge is out of chasing? When did that happen? I knew he was doing a lot of breeding and flat racing in Europe, but not that he'd given up jumps racing over here.

Glimmerglass
Mar. 3, 2011, 04:58 PM
Strawbridge is out of chasing? When did that happen?

I won't say he's completely out but no way is George's outfit still involved as they had been. At the end of 2007 Augustin Stables finish 3rd in the standings with 41 starters in NSA sanctioned races and $275,750 in earnings. By the just concluded 2010 season - no Augustin (http://www.nationalsteeplechase.com/wp-content/files_flutter/1289689264standings.pdf) to be found in the top.

Anyone recall an Augustin runner this year in an NSA sanctioned race?

WhiteCamry
Mar. 8, 2011, 02:23 PM
Just realised from looking at that site, that the BC Steeplechase in '86 was broadcast on NBC. I'm presuming live? maybe on delay, either way it was still on Network TV.

Here's the Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzkGUACpjME)clip.