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Jumphigh83
Mar. 18, 2004, 12:14 PM
Some of you out there from my area will recognize a former felon (at the expense of the horse industry) advertising in our FEDERATIONS publication. (USEF) Will wonders NEVER cease.

Betsy
www.threewindsfarmny.com (http://www.threewindsfarmny.com)

Lead, follow, or get out of the way...

[This message was edited by Jumphigh83 on Apr. 25, 2004 at 11:24 AM.]

Jumphigh83
Mar. 18, 2004, 12:14 PM
Some of you out there from my area will recognize a former felon (at the expense of the horse industry) advertising in our FEDERATIONS publication. (USEF) Will wonders NEVER cease.

Betsy
www.threewindsfarmny.com (http://www.threewindsfarmny.com)

Lead, follow, or get out of the way...

[This message was edited by Jumphigh83 on Apr. 25, 2004 at 11:24 AM.]

Jumphigh83
Mar. 18, 2004, 12:54 PM
Let me refer you to "The Times Union" (Albany NY) 4/25/98 page b5 lest the BB moderators think I am "gossiping". Another highlight 5/30/98 b7....The horse industry is apparently rife with the ethically challenged who go forward UNCHALLENGED into the industry to pollute it further.

Betsy
www.threewindsfarmny.com (http://www.threewindsfarmny.com)

Lead, follow, or get out of the way...

Bells
Mar. 18, 2004, 12:58 PM
Is this a daily? Sometimes a publication takes months to get out after it leaves the editing floor. Can you send a link?

Rose

buryinghill2
Mar. 18, 2004, 01:09 PM
I work in Albany and I can't possibly come up with a paper from May 98!

Snowbird
Mar. 18, 2004, 01:31 PM
Oh! I like that Classic Yuppy philosophy, convicted felons, sexual offenders, theives and murderers are just "Ethically Impaired" what a classy way to deal with crimes?

That would certainly go along with it "depends on your definition of "IS" and "I never had sex with that lady" or the more familiar "she said NO but I knew she didn't really mean it".

Battle Scarred Veteran

lauriep
Mar. 18, 2004, 02:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jumphigh83:
Some of you out there from my area will recognize a former felon (at the expense of the horse industry) advertising in our FEDERATIONS publication. (USEF) Will wonders NEVER cease.

Betsy
http://www.threewindsfarmny.com

Lead, follow, or get out of the way...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Once a felon, always a felon - no getting rid of that chain. No "former" to it...which is a good thing in most cases.

Laurie

Sparky22
Mar. 18, 2004, 02:13 PM
For you curious folks you can go to the Times Useless online and search the archives http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

www.timesunion.com (http://www.timesunion.com)

Enjoy http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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pwynnnorman
Mar. 18, 2004, 04:55 PM
Oh, rats! I haven't gotten my mag yet.

Is this someone near and dear to my heart in particular, jumphigh83?

(I emailed you before reading the thread. I think I get it now--the name change threw me off!)

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Linny
Mar. 18, 2004, 05:27 PM
(One need only check the archives of or beloved COTH for the truth.)

The same ethically challenged individual who recently was the recipient of a $50k grant to found a tax exempt charity to benefit ex race horses? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
(HMMMM, who will likely benefit more, horse or human?)

The same felon who caused a great deal of grief to several A's shows in the area yet is "terribly proud" to receive an AWARD from our GB? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

If I had 1/100 of this persons nerve, I'd be a billionaire (or dead) by now. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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Calico
Mar. 18, 2004, 05:33 PM
Well, since it's out there... who?

Linny
Mar. 18, 2004, 05:39 PM
It's hard to say Moonkitty, her name keeps changing... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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DMK
Mar. 18, 2004, 05:39 PM
Because the fruitbatting cryptics irritate me, here is the sum total of the articles archived on the dates in section in the local news. Yeesh, like it would have killed the author of the thread to do this if she wasn't going to say the name....

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> HANNAH WOODWORTH
05/30/1998 Page: B7
Complete article. 36 of 45.
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PATRICIA A. ZIBELL
05/30/1998 Page: B7
Complete article. 37 of 45.
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WOMAN AGREES TO PAY BACK MISUSED GRANT
05/30/1998 Page: B7

ALBANY -- The woman who officials say misused a pork-barrel grant through state Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno will pay back about a third of what she is accused of spending mostly on herself and relatives.

Complete article. 38 of 45.

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ASSESSOR CANDIDATE GAINS ENDORSEMENT
05/30/1998 Page: B7
Cohoes Democratic committee backs lone candidate for vacant post
Thomas Jacques, the only candidate for the vacant city assessor position, has been endorsed by the Cohoes Democratic City Committee.

Complete article. 39 of 45.
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THUNDERSTORMS LEAVE LITTLE MOISTURE
05/30/1998 Page: B7
Lightning strikes bring trees down, but rain doesn't help dry spell
Moving at 45 mph, a line of thunderstorms swept across the Capital Region late Friday afternoon, leaving little rain but knocking down trees and power lines and surprising some boaters on Saratoga Lake.

Complete article. 40 of 45.
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PROPOSED $14 MILLION ARBOR HILL MALL WON'T GET GROUP'S FUNDS
05/30/1998 Page: B7
Albany Plan that would provide 300 jobs is passed over by organization that aids inner cities A proposed $14 million shopping mall that would provide 300 permanent jobs in Arbor Hill has been passed over for funding by a group created to help revitalize inner cities. But supporters say the project will go ahead.
After months of proposals and applications, the Henry Johnson Corridor Initiative was not among the six local businesses and programs awarded $358,244 this week by the Albany Enterprise Community Delegation.

Complete article. 41 of 45. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

and 4/28/98 p.B5


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> TROY WOMAN TO REPAY FUNDS MISUSED FROM STATE PORK
04/25/1998 Page: B5
Albany A Troy woman pleaded guilty Friday to misusing part of a $50,000 state grant obtained for her by Sen. Joseph Bruno and intended to promote horse racing in New York.
Susan Carter Rea, 31, made the plea in Albany County Court to a single felony count of filing a false record with the state Department of Agriculture and Markets and the state Comptroller's office.

Complete article. 17 of 47.
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SCHOOL BOARD SAYS SHERIFF CAN MAKE DRUG SEARCHES
04/25/1998 Page: B5
Galway Policy mirrors efforts in other districts that call on police for help The Galway school board has agreed to ask the sheriff's department to conduct random checks for drugs.
On Thursday night, the school board signed off on a policy that will allow deputies to bring drug-sniffing dogs onto the school grounds.

Complete article. 18 of 47.
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3 HURT IN HEAD-ON CRASH IN CHARLTON
04/25/1998 Page: B5
Charlton Galway couple, Schenectady man brought to hospital after accident Three people were injured in a two-vehicle, head-on crash Friday morning on Route 147.
Two of the injured were transported by helicopter to Albany Medical Center Hospital.

Complete article. 19 of 47. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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wtywmn4
Mar. 18, 2004, 05:44 PM
Thank you DMK. Sorry to be so dense, but I still don't know who this person is? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

Merry
Mar. 18, 2004, 05:45 PM
Thanks, DMK. I was beginning to feel like a dumbstruck contestant on "Jeopardy!"

And don't feel bad, wty. I am utterly clueless as to who she is, too. But I bet the backstory is great! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

SoEasy
Mar. 18, 2004, 06:06 PM
AHA!!! (http://www.chronofhorse.com/inc/98/jun26.html)

Linny
Mar. 18, 2004, 06:47 PM
Ding ding ding, we have our winner. the article from the Times Useless is the one referring to a "Troy woman..." who to this day feels she has repaid her debt but she has not.

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SoEasy
Mar. 18, 2004, 07:05 PM
Yes, but ... which ad in Equestrian???
I believe I am going blind?

Silly Mommy
Mar. 18, 2004, 07:06 PM
It was a great idea.

Someone else that was taken in by it all.

Most people who go around fanning the flames of crises are themselves the problem.

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laurie
Mar. 18, 2004, 07:40 PM
wish I had a copy of the ad that you are refering to... don't subscribe....not a member. but remember the articles in the local paper Times Union.... seems to me the person named had many friends in high places at one time. Most of them in the state politics that were involved with race horses

Jumphigh83
Mar. 18, 2004, 08:11 PM
Some folks have such Unbridled enthusiasm for our sport no matter how unsavory their past.

Betsy
www.threewindsfarmny.com (http://www.threewindsfarmny.com)

Lead, follow, or get out of the way...

Linny
Mar. 18, 2004, 08:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by laurie:
wish I had a copy of the ad that you are refering to... don't subscribe....not a member. but remember the articles in the local paper Times Union.... seems to me the person named had many friends in high places at one time. Most of them in the state politics that were involved with race horses<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It would appear that she still has those "friends." I haven't seen the ad but if Jumphigh83 has it at her barn, i may check it out this weekend.

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SoEasy
Mar. 18, 2004, 08:24 PM
OMGiH !!!!

The Excellence in Broadcast Journalism AWARD FROM USEF??????

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Tis a large ad near the front of the Mag. and it is noted in the USEF article. With, of course, no mention of past 'foibles'.

Jumphigh83
Mar. 18, 2004, 08:28 PM
Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.....

Betsy
www.threewindsfarmny.com (http://www.threewindsfarmny.com)

Lead, follow, or get out of the way...

Linny
Mar. 18, 2004, 08:33 PM
Unbridled is right... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

She was coplaining only a few weeks ago that she had "no money and where oh where was she going to keep her new horsey" when THIS (http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/search/searchdetail.asp?Section=&RecordNo=40673) appeared in my inbox. I guess she has a new infusion of cash. The horse in the article is a favorite of mine and I hope he's being well looked after. She would sell out her mother for spare change.

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wtywmn4
Mar. 18, 2004, 09:28 PM
Okay, let me try to get this right. She's the recipient of the Broadcast Journalism Award from the USEF?? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Silly Mommy
Mar. 18, 2004, 09:55 PM
How did she hook BB??? Forget it, why did I ask that... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Shakes head, and crawls into her safe corner. It's people like this that really make me http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif... I'll stop now before I post any "hearsay" http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif.

Most people who go around fanning the flames of crises are themselves the problem.

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Midge
Mar. 19, 2004, 05:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Linny:
Unbridled is right... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

She was coplaining only a few weeks ago that she had "no money and where oh where was she going to keep her new horsey" when http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/search/searchdetail.asp?Section=&RecordNo=40673 appeared in my inbox. I guess she has a new infusion of cash. The horse in the article is a favorite of mine and I hope he's being well looked after. She would sell out her mother for spare change.

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18 years old and he is starting a new career???? Geesh, Midge was ten when I bought her and I felt bad she was starting a new career after six years of racing!

SoEasy
Mar. 19, 2004, 06:07 AM
looks to me like 9 yr career, yearling of '94, so, make him 11?

Midge
Mar. 19, 2004, 06:32 AM
Ah, poor reading skills on my part. I read he retires at 18, when it said, with 18.

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

Linny
Mar. 19, 2004, 07:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wtywmn4:
Okay, let me try to get this right. She's the recipient of the Broadcast Journalism Award from the USEF?? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep! Will wonders never cease. Why exactly is the USEF giving an award to a RACING show???The NBAdoesn't give out awards for baseball coverage. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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wtywmn4
Mar. 19, 2004, 07:40 AM
And we wonder why we have so many problems with our organization.. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

Jumphigh83
Mar. 19, 2004, 09:48 AM
May I repeat those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.....Why oh why did Double B take on that headache? I guess they can look forward to owning a nice retired TB in time.

Betsy
www.threewindsfarmny.com (http://www.threewindsfarmny.com)

Lead, follow, or get out of the way...

[This message was edited by Erin on Mar. 19, 2004 at 10:38 PM.]

Linny
Mar. 19, 2004, 11:26 AM
I emailed you Betsy! Speak freely!

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pwynnnorman
Mar. 19, 2004, 11:47 AM
You guys want to know why she keeps cropping up, new names and all?

It's EXACTLY because of the "Oh, not HER" and the "Oh, give him a break--you're exaggerating," and "Unless you've been there, how can you know..." attitudes that we so often see right here.

I fought tooth and nail for two years to get people to take notice of what she was doing. The Chronicle and Hoofprints (now defunct) both treated me like I was some sore-tempered witch until she got convicted. Every article written showed her in a favorable light and me in a dark one, until the last one in COTH. EVery single one (especially in Hoofprints).

BUt, of course, SHE ADVERTISED with full page ads and I only ran 1/4 pagers every so often, so who was I to get the benefit of the doubt.

Some of you folks wonder where the vitriol you hear coming from Snowbird and I might stem from. Well, some people actually do get intimately involved in issues, just because it is RIGHT to do so...and what do we get for it?

The kind of treatment that turns one, quite frankly, into a b**ch when it comes to some things.

It wasn't until a letter I wrote to the Attorney General's office, two years after she first took that money, that someone somewhere (a nice guy named Anthony, in fact) finally started adding everything up and went after her. And THAT was AFTER I took three friends in person to a meeting with "the" Senator's "council" (lawyer like role, I guess--never was real clear who that guy was).

And you know, after I found out how she was spending the money, I called several publications about the ads she was running--and again got the cold shoulder. I even called the FTC, but they said that the publications have to police themselves (when it comes to false advertising).

And here we go again? I sure hope not.

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Snowbird
Mar. 19, 2004, 12:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Yep! Will wonders never cease. Why exactly is the USEF giving an award to a RACING show???<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Could it be because she is a very good advertiser? NAH! the USEF wouldn't do that would they?

Well Pwynn as we have both learned sticks and stones may break our bones but the names we've been called don't even hurt anymore.

Right is Right; it's like being pregnant it can't be a little bit wrong and it is in the long run that Right is it's own reward.

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Weatherford
Mar. 19, 2004, 01:29 PM
Well, if you don't get yourself nominated (and good advertisers do that) then you aren't going to win - which is why the COTHBB online hasn't one yet - unless we did this year... I was supposed to remind our esteemed editor to nominate us, and I fell down on the job.... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Regardless, if they OFFER an award, and only ONE person/mag/whatever gets NOMINATED - well, guess who is going to win http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Which is why so MANY awards of this type are bogus... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

It's OUT! Linda Allen's 101 Exercises for Jumping co-authored by MOI!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Jumphigh83
Mar. 19, 2004, 05:37 PM
I sent a copy of the thread to the editor of the Equestrain magazine...got a polite "thank you for the link.." no explaination of why they would not only encourage but reward such an individual in our industry. So if no one will do anything to STOP the dirtbags, then they can all keep their pieholes SHUT when they get burned by the same. Keep up the good work. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Betsy
www.threewindsfarmny.com (http://www.threewindsfarmny.com)

Lead, follow, or get out of the way...

2ndyrgal
Mar. 19, 2004, 06:00 PM
Ok, I'm just curious. Did the "felon"(audible gasp) actually repay the money she had misused? Lets see here, friends in high places, misused grants, politics, I believe that describes almost everyone in government, right down to the lowliest overpaid, can't fire them, worker's comp collecting....dont even get me started on the welfare "I gotta have another baby so I can get me another check" crowd. Nearly all government funds are misused on some level(no the white house does NOT need new china every four years) If she paid it back, or ANY of it back, she is leagues ahead of most of that bunch. That said, I believe the people who appointed her to a position on some governing federation might have considered the backlash a bit before doing so. Let those of us in glass houses.......

wtywmn4
Mar. 19, 2004, 07:06 PM
Hell (sorry Erin) they mighta looked into her reusme and verified it..Ya think???

Snowbird
Mar. 19, 2004, 07:33 PM
That's why my issue has been accountability, conflict of interests and special interests for the past 5 years.

Battle Scarred Veteran

Jumphigh83
Mar. 19, 2004, 08:24 PM
So IF she DID restitution (she did NOT) then thats ok? The group suspended by the federation has been villified for 30 pages after they DID their time but this person gets a bye if she says she is sorry ?????? She ... continues to "re invent" herself and the public reaction is basically "ho hum"...She is a CANCER on the industry and leopards rarely change their spots they just rearrange them.

Betsy
www.threewindsfarmny.com (http://www.threewindsfarmny.com)

Lead, follow, or get out of the way...

[This message was edited by Erin on Mar. 19, 2004 at 10:42 PM.]

Erin
Mar. 19, 2004, 08:44 PM
You can discuss what has been documented in the articles that were posted. That's it. I don't care if you have "firsthand knowledge," you can't post that on the BB if you're alleging illegal, unethical, or abusive behavior -- you have to have proof, and if you can't post proof, you can't post.

Jumphigh83
Mar. 20, 2004, 09:25 AM
My appologies for trying to obfuscate the rhetoric here with segments of truth. Maybe this is why the unsavory among us continue to dupe the general public. The search for the truth is only valid if it doesn't "offend" anyone. I will try to be more PC in the future.

Betsy
www.threewindsfarmny.com (http://www.threewindsfarmny.com)

Lead, follow, or get out of the way...

Silly Mommy
Mar. 20, 2004, 05:42 PM
Let me look through my files... Maybe I can find some documentation of stuff that didn't happen. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Most people who go around fanning the flames of crises are themselves the problem.

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Erin
Mar. 20, 2004, 07:29 PM
Betsy, how did I know you were going to gripe about having your posts edited? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

It has nothing to do with being PC. You can post anything that can be proven in writing. If you can't prove it, you can't post it.

By all means, continue with your "search for the truth"... just don't post it til you've found it.

Himbo
Mar. 21, 2004, 10:24 AM
Erin take your arms frm around that tree!! [deleted] They have lots of stuff in writing..its just you PC tree hugging liberals refuse to see it!!!!! You took the bite out of everything Linny and Jump wrote about this woman. [deleted] Oh never mind Erin, [deleted] were just a figment of our imaginations and [deleted] well that was just a little ole mistake,she was just kidding! Linny please do send your docs to Erin,maybe she will take a course in reading and comprehension so she gets it..Bye guys wont be posting here again after the great mighty PC moderator sees it. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

[This message was edited by Erin on Mar. 21, 2004 at 01:03 PM.]

[This message was edited by Erin on Mar. 21, 2004 at 01:05 PM.]

Erin
Mar. 21, 2004, 11:02 AM
Oh for God's sake... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

If you can PROVIDE proof, you can post whatever you like. What, am I just supposed to believe everyone who tells me, "Oh yeah, I have proof of all this stuff! Trust me!"

Hell no. You provide me with the proof, and you can post it. Til then, keep your allegations to yourself. And it's not because I'm PC, but it's because all it takes is one moron shooting their mouth off with bad information, the COTH gets sued, and the BB (which is a FREE service for you to use to berate the people who run it) gets shut down.

So no, sorry, you can bash me all you want, but you ain't posting anything here unless you can show that charges have been filed. And I'm willing to bet that the other 11,598 people who post here (minus you and Jumphigh... unless you ARE Jumphigh) are thankful for that, because they have some concept of how to behave responsibly when speaking in a public forum.

For your own reading comprehension, here are our rules... I think it's spelled out pretty darn clearly.

http://www.chronicleforums.com/rules.html

Himbo
Mar. 21, 2004, 04:10 PM
Linny PLEASE do send in your docs so as to enlighten those that have no clue about this woman. Jumphigh too cause I know there were pics taken of those poor horses that I delivered to her farm.

LoveHorses
Apr. 21, 2004, 12:56 AM
Sounds like an incredible comeback story. It had to be very hard to overcome the challenges mentioned in this thread, obviously the USEF recognized this.Everyone deserves a second chance, we all learn from our mistakes, and obviously this person has. The USEF should be commended NOT condemned. The material that earned the Award was filled with passion for the horse, all horses.

I know the matter you are all referencing, I worked on it. You should know that not only was restitution voluntarily paid, the conviction was relieved by the courts.

This thread is misleading and is mean-spirited. From a legal stand point YOU have all placed the beloved COTH in position of libel.

People can and do change. Haven't you all grown and evolved into better beings?

As for me, I am glad someone is out there sharing about horses and how incredibly wonderful they are. After all, isn't that why we do this?

For the Love of a Horse...

ohnowwhat
Apr. 21, 2004, 06:12 AM
Oh for heaven's sake.... what a bunch of touchy-feely crap!

ESG
Apr. 21, 2004, 06:13 AM
Evidently, some people do it for love of money. Reference the articles referred to. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And FWIW, a leopard does not change its spots. This person's documented and proven and repeated larceny are proof of that. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jumphigh83
Apr. 21, 2004, 08:38 AM
sorry Erin but I am NOT Himbo..would have thought with your computer savvey you could have told that. yeah, a comeback story indeed...coming back to bilk more unsuspecting generous horse lovers from their money.
Hypothetically, what should one think of a person if their own mother warns you NOT to trust that person? Hypothetically what would YOU do if you saw horses starving in a barn while the horses next door(same barn) to them were fat and shiney? Hypothetically of course, not that I know anyone that would have resembled same. The poor man that financed this recent foray....those who dont learn from history are doomed to repeat it. BUT history can't be learned from when you have Erins editing the text books.
Can anyone with NYRA tell me how a felon gets (and keeps) a license to gallop? With all the potential racing and wagering debacles I am given pause....
Betsy
www.threewindsfarmny.com (http://www.threewindsfarmny.com)

Lead, follow, or get out of the way...

[This message was edited by Jumphigh83 on Apr. 21, 2004 at 10:54 AM.]

[This message was edited by Jumphigh83 on Apr. 21, 2004 at 10:56 AM.]

Linny
Apr. 21, 2004, 09:42 AM
Methinks that Lovehorses=the subject of thos thread.

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Erin
Apr. 21, 2004, 10:18 AM
Betsy, I have said time and time again, IF YOU CAN PROVIDE PROOF, you can post whatever you want. You can talk about the article posted and I won't edit a word. But you can't make unsubstantiated allegations without providing verification.

Are you honestly of the opinion that I should allow people to post allegations without any documentation? Or are you just seizing an opportunity to take potshots at me because I dared edit your posts? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Since you haven't posted any documentation yet, I'm assuming you haven't got any. Just accept the fact that you're not going to be able to talk about that stuff without it, and MOVE ON. It's a gorgeous spring day... go out and enjoy it.

LoveHorses
Apr. 21, 2004, 10:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Erin:
Betsy, I have said time and time again, _IF YOU CAN PROVIDE PROOF_, you can post whatever you want. You can talk about the article posted and I won't edit a word. But you can't make unsubstantiated allegations without providing verification.

Are you honestly of the opinion that I should allow people to post allegations without any documentation? Or are you just seizing an opportunity to take potshots at me because I dared edit your posts? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Since you haven't posted any documentation yet, I'm assuming you haven't got any. Just accept the fact that you're not going to be able to talk about that stuff without it, and MOVE ON. It's a gorgeous spring day... go out and enjoy it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

WHAT IS THE INTENT OF THIS MEAN-SPIRITED ATTACK? SEEMS IN VIOLATION OF THE BB RULES?!?! WHO REALLY CARES ANYHOW? DON'T WE HAVE MORE PRODUCTIVE THINGS TO TALK ABOUT?

ANYONE KNOW ABOUT "JOCKEY" on HBO 4/28?

For the Love of a Horse...

Phinda
Apr. 21, 2004, 10:41 AM
Easy, LoveHorses. Erin's the moderator, so she's just doing her job, which is more difficult than any of us can imagine.

LoveHorses
Apr. 21, 2004, 10:52 AM
I'm not referring to ERIN. The other posts are maliscious allegations and Erin says she doesn't have the facts!

For the Love of a Horse...

Erin
Apr. 21, 2004, 11:00 AM
LoveHorses, as I told you via email yesterday, people ARE allowed to discuss documented facts. So discussion of the article that was linked earlier in the thread is fine. Making allegations without any documentation is NOT fine, which is why I removed those allegations from earlier posts.

The fact that a person with previous convictions for crimes related to horses received an award from the national equestrian federation is news... people are allowed to discuss it.

LoveHorses
Apr. 21, 2004, 11:36 AM
You are right, it is an amazing human interest story. Creme rises, and the USEF should be commended for recognizing such good work that promotes the love of horses. THe work must speak for itself as this person is able to succeed despite the challenges of mean-sirited unforgiving people who spew rumors and innuendo.

For the Love of a Horse...

Jumphigh83
Apr. 21, 2004, 12:33 PM
Lovehorses/Unbridled (same person) I have NO person grudge against you personally. I think there are a lot of decent hard working horsemen out there that deserve a break. Someone who has spent their entire career one step ahead of the law isnt someone I want handling my tax dollars or my charitable contributions. Alright already with the "malicious attacks"...These are FACTS with documentation, witnesses and corroberation (sp?) however unpublished. If you want me to round up all the players, I still talk to most of them and they will agree with the facts as I have stated them. I just dont see the point of beating a dead horse. Nothing mean spirited..just sick of the perpetuation of the low life horse dealer characature put upon horsemen!

Betsy
www.threewindsfarmny.com (http://www.threewindsfarmny.com)

Lead, follow, or get out of the way...

LoveHorses
Apr. 21, 2004, 03:47 PM
Still don't understand the intent? You folks are the ones "beating a dead horse"!

For the Love of a Horse...

CuriousGeorge
Apr. 21, 2004, 04:09 PM
YOU'RE the one who dragged this thread up from the depths of oblivion!

*****************************
I love stupid people; they're so entertaining!

LoveHorses
Apr. 21, 2004, 04:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CuriousGeorge:
YOU'RE the one who dragged this thread up from the depths of oblivion!

*****************************
I love stupid people; they're so entertaining!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

JUST CURIOUS George?!?!

For the Love of a Horse...

radio talk Aefvue Farms RCA
Apr. 21, 2004, 05:35 PM
Is this one of them thar trollaramas I've heard about? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

GatoGordo
Apr. 21, 2004, 07:06 PM
Yes'm. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif

You know you're a physics geek when . . . you have no life and can prove it mathematically.
Eventing Yahoo In Training http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

xegeba
Apr. 21, 2004, 07:12 PM
Troll stalker checking in!!!

ESG
Apr. 22, 2004, 08:55 AM
LoveHorses, you wouldn't happen to be the person these articles are written about? Or related to same? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif

Just curious.................. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Black Market Radio
Apr. 22, 2004, 09:56 AM
I brought the troll stick!

Devilpups (http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/angelgregory87)
When you take flour and water you make glue. Add eggs and sugar and you have cake. So where did the glue go? WHAT DO YOU THINK MAKES THE CAKE STICK TO YOUR BUTT???

Himbo
Apr. 22, 2004, 02:55 PM
HAHAHA the perp is trying to defend herself..made my day to read her drivel. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Coreene
Apr. 22, 2004, 03:02 PM
Ollie Hardy should have had more sense,
He bought a gee-gee and he jumped the fence,
All for the sake of a couple of pence.

____________________________
Don't nott to buy no ugly ass things for us to wear und then say it be a present for us, it don't nott to be, it be for you. - WILLEM

xegeba
Apr. 22, 2004, 03:05 PM
Oh god...........

Just My Style
Apr. 22, 2004, 03:28 PM
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif This is the same person that took out huge ads in Practical Horseman several years ago, hence, screwing me out of my commission when she ran off with the $ and didn't pay up. I was just a poor kid out of college trying to get started in advertising and publishing. Not a fan of hers. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

GA Clique/Drafties Clique
Live Large- Ride a Drafty!

[This message was edited by Just My Style on Apr. 22, 2004 at 05:36 PM.]

Jumphigh83
Apr. 22, 2004, 08:24 PM
Geeze I must have ALOT of alters.........

Betsy
www.threewindsfarmny.com (http://www.threewindsfarmny.com)

Lead, follow, or get out of the way...

xegeba
Apr. 22, 2004, 08:28 PM
I am so darned confused... Jump, could you help a poor gal out....

LoveHorses
Apr. 22, 2004, 09:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ESG:
LoveHorses, you wouldn't happen to be the person these articles are written about? Or related to same? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif

Just curious.................. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you read the thread, as I said, I worked for the organization and know the real story. Do you believe everything you read?


This is one mean-spirited group, apparently jealous of any success they didn't have a hand in. Too bad because they are loaded with misleading misinformation that will only reflect negatively back on them. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sleepy.gif

For the Love of a Horse...

OakesBrae
Apr. 22, 2004, 10:01 PM
Sorry, I'm not big on "rewards" after things like this. If one has really turned around, the biggest hope might be that people would someday not villify you - not that you would EVER be rewarded for it.

I don't mean that to be cryptic, but the basic gist in my mind is - if you have EVER been cruel to man or beast, there is no "do the time" in my book that brings you back to "ground zero".

JUST RIDE!

xegeba
Apr. 22, 2004, 10:05 PM
Well,Gosh Love, why don't you be specific rather than beat around the bush... you got something of substance to say...than say it... Great to be able to say you know the REAL story and not much else... Or is that your story, and you're sticking to it.

Snowbird
Apr. 22, 2004, 10:12 PM
Cheez! Lovehorses which end is your favorite part of the horse? Come on and get real. You've got documentation you've got history and you've got facts against you.

If you keep on with this it is going to make everyone wonder what was your percentage of the action. It's one thing to defend an underdog, I do that all the time.

But a reality check please. Did she pay back the $30,000 or not? Is she richer for the crime than before? did she use fraud for personal gain? If the answers are No, Yes, Yes then there is no reformation. I don't care if she's the 21st Century William Shakespeare.

Personally she is entitled to advertise, heck! we've got worse than that advertising. But to get a merit award is really pushing the envelope off the desk into the round file.

Battle Scarred Veteran

Katydid82
Apr. 22, 2004, 10:14 PM
Lovehorses

I can't see any misleading information posted here. It says something that so many people have come out of the woodwork to comment on this person (you, perhaps?).

And OakesBrae, hear hear! Very well said.

Casey

LoveHorses
Apr. 22, 2004, 10:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Katydid82:
Lovehorses

I can't see any misleading information posted here. It says something that so many people have come out of the woodwork to comment on this person (you, perhaps?).

And OakesBrae, hear hear! Very well said.

YES, she did pay the money back! That's a fact, and several posters in here said she did not! She invested and LOST a lot of her own personal money in the venture. She did not have any gain only loss, personal and monetary. I know I was there.

She has worked her guts out to demonstrate her good will toward this industry and the bashing on this board does not represent that truth. I know I was there.

THe subject is NOT me, it is however, a dear friend. Everyone deserves a second chance. I hope all of you get one when you need it.



Casey<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

For the Love of a Horse...

xegeba
Apr. 22, 2004, 10:58 PM
Love and Katy have just solidified my belief that I would be better off watching Kenny Blankenships "Painful Eliminations of the Day".SeeYa...

Katydid82
Apr. 22, 2004, 11:04 PM
Lovehorses

Could you alter you quotation posting so that your comment referring to mine is outside of the qoutation lines? Danke.

Casey

Snowbird
Apr. 22, 2004, 11:05 PM
What you don't understand Lovehorses is that yes! people are entitled to another chance but not at the same thing. They should start out with a clean slate in another industry.

You say you know but the documentation differs with you. I happen to know Wynn Norman and she doesn't go off on wild goose chases and she proved her point. It's on the record.

You're asking us to let the fox watch the chicken coop because he promises not to eat any more chicken. It's just not a believable concept.

Your friend can go into any business in the world and have a second chance. Nobody here is mean spirited or even unforgiving. They're just saying not here and not now.

Battle Scarred Veteran

xegeba
Apr. 22, 2004, 11:11 PM
Snowbird.... I'm having a bar-b-que in my grandmother's basement....How much do you think Love weighs??? 120? Okay 20 minutes per pound.... you bring the macaroni salad...

LoveHorses
Apr. 22, 2004, 11:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xegeba:
Snowbird.... I'm having a bar-b-que in my grandmother's basement....How much do you think Love weighs??? 120? Okay 20 minutes per pound.... you bring the macaroni salad...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are a rough group...judge and jury. The money in queestion was voluntarily paid back, it's a matter of record. Further more the Court Relieved the Injustice, that to recorded. My friend is sending this documentation to the COTH Editor, so the record will be set straight, not rumor and innuendo.

By the way, did any of you see the award-winning show?

My friend took responsibility for the matter, the court settled it. Why do you all re-convict, especially JUMPHIGH who started this discussion.

For the Love of a Horse...

Coreene
Apr. 22, 2004, 11:42 PM
What's that saying again? Oh yeah: fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Guess some people learned good enough after once and aren't up for round two.

____________________________
Don't nott to buy no ugly ass things for us to wear und then say it be a present for us, it don't nott to be, it be for you. - WILLEM

LoveHorses
Apr. 23, 2004, 12:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Coreene:
What's that saying again? Oh yeah: _fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me._ Guess some people learned good enough after _once_ and aren't up for round two.

The Girl is Doing A TV show for God's Sake...what the hell is your problem with that?
It happened to be really good...probably an Emmy or Oscar next...so you can all be REAALLY offended then!

____________________________
_Don't nott to buy no ugly ass things for us to wear und then say it be a present for us, it don't nott to be, it be for you. - WILLEM_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

For the Love of a Horse...

LoveHorses
Apr. 23, 2004, 12:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Coreene:
What's that saying again? Oh yeah: _fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me._ Guess some people learned good enough after _once_ and aren't up for round two.

The Girl is Doing A TV show for God's Sake...what the hell is your problem with that?
It happened to be really good...probably an Emmy or Oscar next...so you can all be REAALLY offended then!

____________________________
_Don't nott to buy no ugly ass things for us to wear und then say it be a present for us, it don't nott to be, it be for you. - WILLEM_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

For the Love of a Horse...

LoveHorses
Apr. 23, 2004, 12:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Coreene:
What's that saying again? Oh yeah: _fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me._ Guess some people learned good enough after _once_ and aren't up for round two.

____________________________
_Don't nott to buy no ugly ass things for us to wear und then say it be a present for us, it don't nott to be, it be for you. - WILLEM_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The girl is doing a TV show...what is your problem with that??? It was really good, that's why it was honored with an Award. What's your gripe?

For the Love of a Horse...

Snowbird
Apr. 23, 2004, 09:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If you read the thread, as I said, I worked for the organization and know the real story. Do you believe everything you read?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll take what I read in print over second hand hearsay any day.If you have proof that what you say is true then post it! If you have no proof then let this thread die from lack of attention.

Battle Scarred Veteran

LoveHorses
Apr. 23, 2004, 11:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snowbird:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>_If you read the thread, as I said, I worked for the organization and know the real story. Do you believe everything you read?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>_

I'll take what I read in print over second hand hearsay any day.If you have proof that what you say is true then post it! If you have no proof
then let this thread die from lack of attention.

_Battle Scarred Veteran_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am sending proof and letter from the Judge in the case to the Editor of the Chronicle. The misleading information all of YOU posted here opens the Chronicle to libel. It is going to the Editor and he can decide.

For the Love of a Horse...

xegeba
Apr. 23, 2004, 11:14 AM
Geez... I just invited Snowbird over for a bar-b-que...

Jumphigh83
Apr. 23, 2004, 11:39 AM
I am so NOT worried I have the truth on my side..as well as sherriffs reports, pictures, court records, personal testimony etc..Methinks thou protest to much love/unbridled..let it go already if you want it to go away STOP REPLYING TO EVERY POST! We may be dumb but we are NOT stupid. It isnt about a TV show it is about Character or the lack thereof.

Betsy
www.threewindsfarmny.com (http://www.threewindsfarmny.com)

Lead, follow, or get out of the way...

Snowbird
Apr. 23, 2004, 11:52 AM
What a pity and such a waste! A perversion of freedom of speach to use threats to accomplish what you can't do with logic and integrity.

We are all terrified, the moderators are afraid they will lose their jobs and I am sure that Robert Banner who has withstood the threats of experts at it will just capitulate in terror.

What in the world are you thinking if you seriously believe that using private information you may or may not possess will some how raise the evil demons so that your point is validated.

Can't you see that will only intensify the already solid convictions that most people have.

We are not petitioning for the award to be yanked, we are not petitioning for her to lose the farm, we are not petitioning for her not to be able to advertise.

All anyone has said is they think it is wrong. Surely, you would not prefer a world where all opinions must be homogenous. That would be like all of humanity being clones of each other. And who would pick the one human to be the original from which we are all cloned?

Battle Scarred Veteran

Erin
Apr. 23, 2004, 12:33 PM
LoveHorses, if you have documentation, you're welcome to send it to me, and I'll post it. You can fax something to me, and I'll convert it to PDF and post it here. Or just post it yourself.

Pretty much the entire COTH staff is away (either at Rolex or the World Cup), so you're not going to have much luck contacting them.

The whole point of having this board be open to all is so that errors of fact can be corrected. This isn't a publication... it's an internet message board. The stuff here isn't fact-checked, and people know to take it all with a grain of salt.

Rather than make veiled references to "the real story," why don't you just post the facts as you know them? If the person in question paid restitution, how much and when? If a court "relieved the conviction," what court and when?

If you're honestly interested in clarifying the facts, making threats and sending stuff to the magazine isn't going to help clarify what people read here.

It's not libel for people to say they don't like this person and don't believe she should have been given an award. That's an opinion, and one to which everyone here is entitled. As per the rules of the forum, only what has been documented in print has been discussed. As far as I can tell, the only issue that seems to be under dispute is whether or not restitution was made... if you're in a position to clarify that, by all means, do so.

Snowbird, JumpHigh, will you both give it a rest please? There's no reason to further inflame the topic.

[This message was edited by Erin on Apr. 23, 2004 at 02:43 PM.]

Snowbird
Apr. 23, 2004, 12:49 PM
Erin you hurt my feelings, I thought I was defusing the situation with a little humor. It offends my sense of equality and fairness that you would suggest I was inflaming a situation already hot.

I accept your invitation to the Bar-B-Que eegeba just tell me where and when.I'm hungarian and we like lots of hot paprika on everything and lots of garlic to keep away the werewolves and the vampires.

Erin along with your "Little People" tee shirt may I suggest one for the "Ethically Challenged"? We seem to all be one of those because our "ethics" are always being challenged.

Battle Scarred Veteran

Himbo
Apr. 23, 2004, 03:45 PM
Oy freakin Vey!!!!!!!!!!! The perp does not give it up easily does she???? hahahahahaha

LoveHorses
Apr. 23, 2004, 05:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Himbo:
Oy freakin Vey!!!!!!!!!!! The perp does not give it up easily does she???? hahahahahaha<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


The public records which your posters have failed to include are all publicly available; they are selectively omitted. Restitution was voluntarily paid in full. That is public record in the Courthouse. The Judge then proceeded to Officially Relieve the Conviction, that to public record in the Courthouse.

I am not threatening, I am stating fact regarding libel. As I said, the documentation is being sent to the Editor, he can decide.

For the Love of a Horse...

xegeba
Apr. 23, 2004, 05:55 PM
Love... you don't mind if anyone makes fun of you though, Right? That is legal , last time I checked.

Erin
Apr. 23, 2004, 06:38 PM
Suit yourself, LoveHorses... seems to me if you were concerned about people not having all the facts, you'd want to make them available as soon as possible. But if you'd rather wait a week and do it the roundabout way, be my guest.

Linny
Apr. 23, 2004, 07:06 PM
If you come to dinner at my house (or a BBQ at Xegeba's) and steal $50k from my dresser, paying back $7k will NOT get you invited back. Even if you paid me back the $50k, no more lasagna at Linny's. If a judge helps a friend and writes up a little note exonerating said dinner guest, they will still not get any more lasagna. Not even a beer on the porch.

I can't imagine that libel is an issue here as NO one on this thread as mentioned a name.

Jumphigh, do you have any friends over at the county sherriff's office? Maybe someone could dig through old records and they might be posted here too.

Resident racing historian ~~~ Re-riders Clique
Founder of the Mighty Thoroughbred Clique

Erin
Apr. 23, 2004, 08:30 PM
Erm, Linny, just because no one has actually typed the name on this thread doesn't mean the woman hasn't been identified. Substituting "you know who" for someone's name doesn't really make a difference. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It's perfectly fine for her name to be posted on the thread, though, if you're discussing issues that are either opinion or a matter of public record.

xegeba
Apr. 23, 2004, 08:38 PM
Linny's analogy was Super Good!!! I want to come over to her house for dinner.... I promise I won't take that Fifty K in your underwear drawer... this does not mean that I won't go through your medicine chest, however.

Linny
Apr. 23, 2004, 08:53 PM
Xegeba, after reading the "crotch thread" for lack of a better term I have to say that my underwear drawer is off limits. The medicine cabinet is ok, as well as my little gardening cabinet aka "where the bodies are buried."

As for my $50k, if I had it I wouldn't be here with cheap cabernet and the COTH bb for amusement on a Fri evening.

Resident racing historian ~~~ Re-riders Clique
Founder of the Mighty Thoroughbred Clique

LoveHorses
Apr. 23, 2004, 08:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Linny:
If you come to dinner at my house (or a BBQ at Xegeba's) and steal $50k from my dresser, paying back $7k will NOT get you invited back. Even if you paid me back the $50k, no more lasagna at Linny's. If a judge helps a friend and writes up a little note exonerating said dinner guest, they will still not get any more lasagna. Not even a beer on the porch.

I can't imagine that libel is an issue here as NO one on this thread as mentioned a name.

Jumphigh, do you have any friends over at the county sherriff's office? Maybe someone could dig through old records and they might be posted here too.

Resident racing historian ~~~ Re-riders Clique
Founder of the Mighty Thoroughbred Clique<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hmmmmm, no one mentioned that the "person", my friend invested and subsequently lost nearly the same amount of her own person money...not that any of you give a hoot about the actual facts on record.

Thanks you to Linny...now my friend can tell her story and set the record straight...

Just curious Linny, how do you manage so much time posting during work hours? Is it part of your job?

For the Love of a Horse...

LoveHorses
Apr. 23, 2004, 09:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Linny:
Xegeba, after reading the "crotch thread" for lack of a better term I have to say that my underwear drawer is off limits. The medicine cabinet is ok, as well as my little gardening cabinet aka "where the bodies are buried."

As for my $50k, if I had it I wouldn't be here with cheap cabernet and the COTH bb for amusement on a Fri evening.

Resident racing historian ~~~ Re-riders Clique
Founder of the Mighty Thoroughbred Clique<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Curious sense of humor Linny...amusement? You seem obsessed...when do you have time to get your work done....so many posts on the clock? mmmmmmm Where do you work again?

For the Love of a Horse...

xegeba
Apr. 23, 2004, 09:00 PM
You know LoveHorses, I can't figure out for the life of me what you want. If you want to trade barbs...then let's go. Linny nailed your butt to the table on her post and the best you can come up with is THAT???? Your friend must be grateful that you are sticking up for her, but apparently the people she screwed along the way aren't willing to give up the ghost. Either cough up the goods or go away........

LoveHorses
Apr. 23, 2004, 09:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Erin:
Erm, Linny, just because no one has actually typed the name on this thread doesn't mean the woman hasn't been identified. Substituting "you know who" for someone's name doesn't really make a difference. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It's perfectly fine for her name to be posted on the thread, though, if you're discussing issues that are either opinion or a matter of public record.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Erin, be careful...the opinions of these posters = defamation and then some....

For the Love of a Horse...

xegeba
Apr. 23, 2004, 09:05 PM
Are you serious????????????? Is she serious??????????????? Wow! Wow! Wow!

xegeba
Apr. 23, 2004, 09:12 PM
Lovehorses... Linny is...well..Linny is LOADED... This does not mean that she is willing to donate any money to any person for any reason. What this does mean is that she has enough time during the day to post on the BB and make me dinner... Linny, I know your underwear drawer is filled with La Perla and other nice brands. What I am really interested in is the pharmaceuticals you currently stock...

[This message was edited by xegeba on Apr. 23, 2004 at 11:29 PM.]

Jumphigh83
Apr. 23, 2004, 09:16 PM
If Linny had the pharmaceuticals then she should pass them out! I think she has them stashed in the underware drawer or she wouldnt be so worried about dinner guests checking it out! Or maybe ...they are IN the lasagna???

Betsy
www.threewindsfarmny.com (http://www.threewindsfarmny.com)

Lead, follow, or get out of the way...

xegeba
Apr. 23, 2004, 09:18 PM
I don't know Jump, one can get really hoardie(is that a word?) about their meds with friends like us around...

LoveHorses
Apr. 23, 2004, 09:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xegeba:
I don't know Jump, one can get really hoardie(is that a word?) about their meds with friends like us around...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

WOW, loaded all the way around...she must have friends in high places and great job! I think my friend is flattered at this point...she sure has a grip on your time...you must all be loaded?!?!

For the Love of a Horse...

Erin
Apr. 23, 2004, 09:28 PM
LoveHorses, opinions are protected speech. Negative does not equal defamatory.

I removed the comments on this thread that I felt were inappropriate and were in violation of our rules. I told you days ago via email that if you had an issue with any specific comments on this thread, you were welcome to bring them to my attention, and I'd take a look. You haven't done so.

I also told you you were welcome to post to clarify any facts that you felt were erroneous. Again... nothing from you but vague allusions.

You've been given ample opportunity to right any perceived wrongs, and you've declined. Rather than trying to clarify the issue, you've chosen to insult and chastize other posters. Pretty darn pointless, if you ask me.

xegeba
Apr. 23, 2004, 09:31 PM
IN MY OPINION.... You are avoiding me LoveHorses..........

xegeba
Apr. 23, 2004, 09:36 PM
And furthermore.........IN MY OPINION. your last post LoveHorses was mindboggling!!!! Do you lay awake at night thinking about what to say... Sounds to me like you need some VALIUM, the rest might do you good!!!!

LoveHorses
Apr. 23, 2004, 09:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xegeba:
And furthermore.........IN MY OPINION. your last post LoveHorses was mindboggling!!!! Do you lay awake at night thinking about what to say... Sounds to me like you need some VALIUM, the rest might do you good!!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just a hard worker!!! Trying to get loaded like LINNY...by the sweat of my brow. A good night to all...sweet dreams... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sleepy.gif

For the Love of a Horse...

xegeba
Apr. 23, 2004, 09:42 PM
It would truly be a shame if your resident black widow was sharing your bed tonight........................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ..................................

Linny
Apr. 23, 2004, 09:46 PM
Alas, I have only a case or two of cabernet, the undie drawer full of cotton and several M & M's.
If I had the $50k, Jumphigh would have long ago sold me a horse and the impending disappearane of my Black Beauty would be of no concern. I would have gone 2 steppin' tonight and bought for all. Needless to say I'm here in my jammies with a glass of cab/merlot and some chocolate, hoping that a barnmates truck wont start in the am.
Jump, I cannot believe that we are discussing my ...um...unmentionables on a public bb! Well I NEVER...okay, maybe once...

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LoveHorses
Apr. 23, 2004, 09:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Erin:
LoveHorses, opinions are protected speech. Negative does not equal defamatory.

I removed the comments on this thread that I felt were inappropriate and were in violation of our rules. I told you days ago via email that if you had an issue with any specific comments on this thread, you were welcome to bring them to my attention, and I'd take a look. You haven't done so.

I also told you you were welcome to post to clarify any facts that you felt were erroneous. Again... nothing from you but vague allusions.

You've been given ample opportunity to right any perceived wrongs, and you've declined. Rather than trying to clarify the issue, you've chosen to insult and chastize other posters. Pretty darn pointless, if you ask me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ERIN - I AM SENDING FACTS to your Editor. He is deserving of the courtesy and I am sure he will lend wisdom and guidance to my friend as to the best way to get the record set straight. These posters have a opinion and seem a small group of friends. I am looking at the bigger picture.

Did any of them see the award-winning show? Why should my friend be denied an award on a great series about horses...

The posters have flip-flopped throughout this thread and I don't have time for he said, she said...when I can present the matter to the Editor. He knows his readers, and this thread seems a bit mean-spirited, perhaps some personal matters neither one of us are aware of.

The person they all refer to, they don't know, and that makes me sad. Hope it can all get clear and the community gets on with things...now really, I must get to bed. Sweet dreams...be kind... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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xegeba
Apr. 23, 2004, 09:53 PM
YOU TOLD ME YOU WERE GOING TO BED!!!!! GO.....NOW!!!

Erin
Apr. 23, 2004, 09:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LoveHorses:

ERIN - I AM SENDING FACTS to your Editor. He is deserving of the courtesy and I am sure he will lend wisdom and guidance to my friend as to the best way to get the record set straight.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The best way to set the record straight is to set the record straight. Which you're not willing to do.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Did any of them see the award-winning show? Why should my friend be denied an award on a great series about horses...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You feel she shouldn't be denied an award, others feel she should. It's called a difference of opinion. You're certainly welcome to discuss it... that IS what this forum is for, you know.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The posters have flip-flopped throughout this thread and I don't have time for he said, she said...when I can present the matter to the Editor. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And the editor is going to tell you that if you want to clarify the matter, go right ahead and do so by posting... and you'll be right back where you started. Don't say I didn't warn you. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

xegeba
Apr. 23, 2004, 10:02 PM
Erin!!!!! Have I ever once flipped flopped in this entire thread??? I'm not sure I like the tone this particular person is taking with me.... I'm getting ready to start my verified whatevers..Tiramit...A little help please....

Beezer
Apr. 23, 2004, 10:59 PM
I hear the eventers flip their horses....

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Black Market Radio
Apr. 23, 2004, 11:04 PM
Oh yes, they flip them quite nicely Beezer!

Erin, Beer?

Devilpups (http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/angelgregory87)
When you take flour and water you make glue. Add eggs and sugar and you have cake. So where did the glue go? WHAT DO YOU THINK MAKES THE CAKE STICK TO YOUR BUTT???

xegeba
Apr. 23, 2004, 11:24 PM
But do the horses get sued for that??? The horses get sued for flipping or flopping? Who gets sued for flipping or flopping. Personally, if I was a horse I would sure as @$#% sue someone for either the flip or the flop... if it's both, well now, that is where emotional distress comes into play.... ya know... "Ranger is contnuing to see PH.d for anxiety, lack of desire, etc"

Beezer
Apr. 23, 2004, 11:45 PM
No no no ... the horses don't get sued, they do the suing.

Something called "Suing for slamder and grievous breach of BBQ."

And as far as I know, the eventers only flip. The dressage people flop. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

***** Currently assigned to the mouth-gaping, lip-flapping, head-twisting, wood-chewing, boot-shredding phase of baby greenie ownership! *****

xegeba
Apr. 23, 2004, 11:48 PM
Well in that case Beezer, could you PLEASE post on my thread over there on O.C. I'm starting to feel like a total failure and I did get Tiki for you...

Himbo
Apr. 24, 2004, 05:18 AM
OMG we really have the perp's panties in a knot now dont we?? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[This message was edited by Erin on Apr. 24, 2004 at 11:38 AM.]

El Grande Stimpendo
Apr. 24, 2004, 06:39 AM
I think I should win a award.

ESG
Apr. 24, 2004, 06:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LoveHorses:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ESG:
LoveHorses, you wouldn't happen to be the person these articles are written about? Or related to same? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif

Just curious.................. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you read the thread, as I said, I worked for the organization and know the real story. Do you believe everything you read?

Well, when "what I read" is an unbiased report of the results of investigations, litigations, and court cases, the answer would be a resounding "YES".

This is one mean-spirited group, apparently jealous of any success they didn't have a hand in. Too bad because they are loaded with misleading misinformation that will only reflect negatively back on them. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sleepy.gif

Nope, just rejoicing that at least one of the bad apples on the tree is no longer spoiling the rest of the barrel. Made my day to read that. And I think I speak for at least a few others on this board when I say I have enough successes to not be threatened by others. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

For the Love of a Horse...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Black Market Radio
Apr. 24, 2004, 08:29 AM
ET, I think you are right. What kind of award shall we give you?

Devilpups (http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/angelgregory87)
When you take flour and water you make glue. Add eggs and sugar and you have cake. So where did the glue go? WHAT DO YOU THINK MAKES THE CAKE STICK TO YOUR BUTT???

Jumphigh83
Apr. 24, 2004, 08:46 AM
And the award for psychotic behavior goes to................(YOU fill in the blank here) Thread closed too much scarey wierd delving for inuendo in simple jokes....wow...I thought I needed LSD to understand some of the posts here! Pathology is a beautiful thing.
Jealous...hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Good one!

Betsy
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Lead, follow, or get out of the way...

Coreene
Apr. 24, 2004, 09:11 AM
I just wanna say, going back to something the Love Machine said a few pages back, you don't get Oscars for television, and many of us here blew past Emmy awards years ago.

____________________________
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Special J
Apr. 24, 2004, 10:10 AM
ESG - how can a apple spoil the whole barrel if it's on the tree?

The good Lord forgives all...if only you ask!

Snowbird
Apr. 24, 2004, 12:39 PM
Because it went up the tree after it found out all the apples in the barrel were spoiled to find all the good apples to spoil.

Battle Scarred Veteran

El Grande Stimpendo
Apr. 24, 2004, 01:16 PM
I have first hand knowledge of orchards and I can assure you apples do NOT climb trees.

Snowbird
Apr. 24, 2004, 03:55 PM
Oh! I thought they did because people are always telling other people "you're up a tree".

I thought it might be because some crazy apple climbed back up. Thank you for setting me straight.

So then the point is the apple has to stay up on the tree so it can't spoil the barrel if it's rotten. But, if it gets put in the barrel because some idiot thinks it's a good apple it rots all the good apples.

Have I got it now?

Battle Scarred Veteran

LoveHorses
Apr. 24, 2004, 03:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Linny:
If you come to dinner at my house (or a BBQ at Xegeba's) and steal $50k from my dresser, paying back $7k will NOT get you invited back. Even if you paid me back the $50k, no more lasagna at Linny's. If a judge helps a friend and writes up a little note exonerating said dinner guest, they will still not get any more lasagna. Not even a beer on the porch.

I can't imagine that libel is an issue here as NO one on this thread as mentioned a name.

Jumphigh, do you have any friends over at the county sherriff's office? Maybe someone could dig through old records and they might be posted here too.

Resident racing historian ~~~ Re-riders Clique
Founder of the Mighty Thoroughbred Clique<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you saying the person you are referring to stole $50K..the same one you almost quit your job for? The job you do all this posting for??? I'm confused http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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GatoGordo
Apr. 24, 2004, 06:04 PM
Eventers flip, but we prefer not to flop in the water jump -- the best scores go to those who can flip 1, 2, 3 times and land on their feet, allowing them to levitate up the 11-ft out-bank. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I could be on fire at a dead gallop, jumping a drop into a gasoline complex, and would think, "Huh. This is probably not good." -- rttigrl
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LoveHorses
Apr. 24, 2004, 08:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GatoGordo:
Eventers flip, but we prefer not to flop in the water jump -- the best scores go to those who can flip 1, 2, 3 times and land on their feet, allowing them to levitate up the 11-ft out-bank. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

_I could be on fire at a dead gallop, jumping a drop into a gasoline complex, and would think, "Huh. This is probably not good." -- rttigrl _
Eventing Yahoo In Training http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very witty!!! Glad to know a sense of humor is alive and well on the BB...helps lighten things up http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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