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JumpinRealHigh
Dec. 17, 2003, 06:32 AM
After re-locating AGAIN (2nd time in 6 months) I was amazed at how many Hunter-Jumper barns there are in Michigan. (Long story on the switching)

My sister is currently looking for a new location for her & her mare. She does novice/limit stuff right now and does not get along with my trainer. Also, she never takes the advice of her big sis anyways.

What are some names of barns that all of you have had experiences with?? and what city are they in??? Did you like the trainers?? She wants to show this summer and the parents are willing to drive anywhere just to get her focused.

Thanks for the input.

Jumpers Rule!!!

[This message was edited by JumpinRealHigh on Jan. 12, 2004 at 06:44 PM.]

JumpinRealHigh
Dec. 17, 2003, 06:32 AM
After re-locating AGAIN (2nd time in 6 months) I was amazed at how many Hunter-Jumper barns there are in Michigan. (Long story on the switching)

My sister is currently looking for a new location for her & her mare. She does novice/limit stuff right now and does not get along with my trainer. Also, she never takes the advice of her big sis anyways.

What are some names of barns that all of you have had experiences with?? and what city are they in??? Did you like the trainers?? She wants to show this summer and the parents are willing to drive anywhere just to get her focused.

Thanks for the input.

Jumpers Rule!!!

[This message was edited by JumpinRealHigh on Jan. 12, 2004 at 06:44 PM.]

MIKES MCS
Dec. 17, 2003, 07:41 AM
Thier are sooooo many like you said , Do you know what circuit she would like to focus on? So many of the barns are one trainer and can only focus on primarily one. If you are in the Western side of the State there is Kentree, they do Lake Effects, and Many A and B shows (two trainers). Meadowview , also Lake Effects and MHJA and other select A shows (2 trainers). David Warner Stable, same as above and AQHA I believe also (1 trainer). these 3 are in the Grand Rapids area. Battle Creek and Mid State area , Windsong Stable, Same as above (minus the Qtr horse stuff)(2 trainers) Fieldstone Farms mostly Lake effects and some MHJA (1 trainer). Foxbrush same as above (2 trainers). These are people and trainers I know and or have seen in operation. If you would like to email me privately in regard to any of these stables I would be glad to answer any of your questions.

slp
Dec. 17, 2003, 08:00 AM
If she is interested in the rated shows (A's) as opposed to the local or schooling circuits, I can give you a whole list of names and barns. A lot would certainly depend on WHERE in the state they live.
Send me an email (listed in profile) if you would like a good long list, personal opinions on them shared if requested. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif
Susan

Dancetil3
Dec. 17, 2003, 05:31 PM
What part of the state? Email me, if you'd like.

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JumpinRealHigh
Dec. 17, 2003, 06:36 PM
We live in Sterling Heights. But, like I said, if it is a good barn where my sister can get the proper training my parents will make the drive. She hasn't shown yet, but would like to start, so probably C or B barn.

Thanks for the input.

My email isn't working, so I can't email anyone.

Jumpers Rule!!!

dcm
Dec. 17, 2003, 09:14 PM
I'm not sure exactly where Sterling Heights is, other than the Detroit Metro area, right?

Check the MHJA website MHJA (http://www.mhja.org) for affiliate farms. Not all MHJA farms are there, but you can see several. My dtr started on the C circuit 3 years ago, and has shown B for the last two yrs.

Susan (slp) has a great list of trainers in the area, but may not be familiar with some of the MHJA trainers. I'm heavily biased towards our trainer, as she works wonders with green horses, and despite her "tell-it-like-it-is" attitude, she is successful and has a waiting list to get into her barn. Unfortunately for your sister, she no longer does C's, and is moving away from B's.

Outside of that tidbit, if you want to know more, you can PT me or email (in profile). I won't post info of a personal nature for general public viewing. Between all of us here, we should be able to give you ideas for where you can at least start your search.

A couple of places to consider: K-Farms, Ortonville; Rochester Hills Stables, Rochester Hills (duh); Willowbrook Farm, South Lyon. Good and bad about each, but these seem to have some decent novice/limit riders, at least nothing too scarey. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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slp
Dec. 18, 2003, 04:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dcm:
Check the MHJA website http://www.mhja.org for affiliate farms. Not all MHJA farms are there, but you can see several. My dtr started on the C circuit 3 years ago, and has shown B for the last two yrs.
I won't post info of a personal nature for general public viewing. Between all of us here, we should be able to give you ideas for where you can at least start your search.

A couple of places to consider: K-Farms, Ortonville; Rochester Hills Stables, Rochester Hills (duh); Willowbrook Farm, South Lyon. Good and bad about each, but these seem to have some decent novice/limit riders, at least nothing too scarey. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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Those are all good suggestions for someone looking to do the entry level stuff, but I also won't post anything of a personal nature for public viewing and there are a lot of strong opinions out there http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. Most of the trainers that I know of do only the 'A' shows, both in and out of state which probably isn't where your sister would want to start (although you did say you wanted an "incredible competitive" barn, and a entry level rider CAN compete at the competitive A shows). Our barn is in Oakland Twp. and the trainer is fantastic, but we are completely full as far as any new boarders.
What about Springbrook over by where you live? Or is that where you currently are that isn't working out for her?

Susan

(If you look at Rochester Hills Stables, go over to their facility next door which is called Pine Ridge. Both owned by the same family but Pine Ridge is for boarders only - most of them show, A, B, & C - where the other barn is a huge lesson barn. And it really isn't in Rochester Hills, it's on Rochester Rd. just past 32 Mile, actually closer to Romeo.)

JumpinRealHigh
Dec. 18, 2003, 10:46 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by slp:
What about Springbrook over by where you live? Or is that where you currently are that isn't working out for her?

Susan


Yep, I was stuipd enough to back AGAIN. I was talked into trying it, its different now, none of the same people or trainers. But, what I didn't realize was is the owners are the same. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

I have only been at my new barn for a short while, but so far adore it.

Thanks for the suggestions.
Mom is looking over my shoulder & taking notes for sis!!!

Jumpers Rule!!!

ChampionMercedes
Dec. 18, 2003, 11:20 AM
Willowbrooke Farm is a nice place to start off with a 'C' circuit rider. The trainer there also actively competes on the 'C' and 'B' circuit. It's quite a drive from Sterling Heights (probably a little over an hour). Rochester Hills Farm is a good choice also, that is about 30-40 minutes from you -it's in Romeo- the horse I lease is like a mile from here.

Good luck in your search!! I can give you a few barns to stear clear off but I'm not going to post them on here, feel free to PM me http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

-Tami-

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Justice
Dec. 18, 2003, 12:24 PM
Just a thumbs up for Kentree in GR... Brett starts the kids and takes them to the smaller shows, and then Mark does the A shows. They're both wonderful with horses and with people, and it's a great family barn.

sparten
Dec. 18, 2003, 01:00 PM
So does that mean you like Springbrook and your sister doesn't?? Do you ride with Steve?

Natgal
Dec. 18, 2003, 01:13 PM
I live in the same area as you. You can e-mail me if you'd like more info on barns in the area. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

sparten
Dec. 18, 2003, 01:35 PM
Steve is a great trainer, does well in state and out of state.. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

slp
Dec. 19, 2003, 05:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JumpinRealHigh:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by slp:
What about Springbrook over by where you live? Or is that where you currently are that isn't working out for her?

Susan


Yep, I was stuipd enough to back AGAIN. I was talked into trying it, its different now, none of the same people or trainers. But, what I didn't realize was is the owners are the same. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

I have only been at my new barn for a short while, but so far adore it.

Thanks for the suggestions.
Mom is looking over my shoulder & taking notes for sis!!!

Jumpers Rule!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where are you riding/training now?
The guy who was the trainer at Springbrook maybe 4-5 years ago is my daughters trainer; he left there and started his own barn and I can't speak highly enough of what a fantastic trainer he is. (We've been with him almost 3 years.) The show results pretty much speak for themselves. Our assistant trainer also used to be over there I think.
Susan

sparten
Dec. 19, 2003, 06:23 AM
Yes the guy that used to be a Springbrook is great for Novice kids. Steve is more an advanced trainer and very particular about discipline which isn't always fun but very good if you want to go far in riding..

slp
Dec. 19, 2003, 06:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sparten:
Yes the guy that used to be a Springbrook is great for Novice kids. Steve is more an advanced trainer and very particular about discipline which isn't always fun but very good if you want to go far in riding..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, that is obviously a different trainer http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif; they have had more than one trainer over there prior to Steve coming in. The one I'm talking about doesn't even teach novice riders so you probably are thinking of the wrong person. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Steve is a fine trainer, and I know of several people that train with him and are very happy. Obviously the original poster of this thread is not one of them since she appears to have trained there at 2 separate times and has left for another barn again. No trainer is going to be perfect for everyone, that is just part of this business.

sparten
Dec. 19, 2003, 07:01 AM
Very True!! It's great your happy with your trainer.

JumpinRealHigh
Dec. 19, 2003, 08:18 PM
Hmmmmmmmmmm..not to start anything here, but Steve by no means does well in state & out of state!!!! He doesn't have any kids, thats another reason why I left. All's he does at the shows is hang. If that's a good trainer, I wanna be one.

I am not going to state who I am or where I went for obivious reasons now. No bashing here.
I was truly looking for a place for my sister, and I believe they are looking at a place on Sunday.

Thanks

Jumpers Rule!!!

dcm
Dec. 20, 2003, 06:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JumpinRealHigh:
I was truly looking for a place for my sister, and I believe they are looking at a place on Sunday.
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Best of luck to your sister. Finding the right trainer in the right place is not an easy task. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

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sparten
Dec. 22, 2003, 06:39 AM
Well with all do respect you clearly don't travel because I've seen Steve's kids and adults when in Chicago and Kentucky. Not to mention I would not rank Michigan as a hot bed of talented riders except for the Howard kids. Polly Howard thought enough of Steve as a trainer to send her kids to Harrisburg with him last year. Oh yea Kat was 4th in the medal....

sparten
Dec. 22, 2003, 06:42 AM
oops win, I type faster then I think

JumpinRealHigh
Dec. 22, 2003, 08:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sparten:
Polly Howard thought enough of Steve as a trainer to send her kids to Harrisburg with him last year.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, it was Steve's talent that placed her 4th over the course of the weekend's training.. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[/Quote]Originally posted by sparten:
Not to mention I would not rank Michigan as a hot bed of talented riders except for the Howard kids. [/QUOTE]
I disagree...I think Michigan has ALOT of talented riders. The Howards are not the only ones with kids that qualify for the medals or achieve year end awards.

How's your horse doing Rachel?

Jumpers Rule!!!

gummibear
Dec. 22, 2003, 10:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JumpinRealHigh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sparten:
Polly Howard thought enough of Steve as a trainer to send her kids to Harrisburg with him last year.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, it was Steve's talent that placed her 4th over the course of the weekend's training.. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif
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My observations of the trainer in question this past year were:
-delaying the hunter ring at Waterloo for 15 minutes while he gave a student a lesson to try to get her over ONE fence without stopping so she could go in and compete....only when threatened with "get in or you're out" did he comply.
-sitting on his butt at Merrill Lynch while 2 of his students worked theirs off from dawn to dusk (for NO PAY) to take care of his other princesses who couldn't even get around a course without either a stop or a fall. Needless to say, neither of these girls are riding with him anymore.
Not exactly my definition of a great trainer.
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dcm
Dec. 22, 2003, 10:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GummiBear:
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My observations of the trainer in question this past year were:
-delaying the hunter ring at Waterloo for 15 minutes while he gave a student a lesson to try to get her over ONE fence without stopping so she could go in and compete....only when threatened with "get in or you're out" did he comply.
-sitting on his butt at Merrill Lynch while 2 of his students worked theirs off from dawn to dusk (for NO PAY) to take care of his other princesses who couldn't even get around a course without either a stop or a fall. Needless to say, neither of these girls are riding with him anymore.
Not exactly my definition of a great trainer.
http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yikes! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

JumpinRealHigh - did your sister visit the barn you mentioned on Sunday? How did she like it? Is she still looking? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

When we changed barns two years ago, my dtr did not get along too well with her trainer. But, we were also told by another mom that it may take a year or so to get used to our trainer's style (she's, ummmm, blunt). Things are really clicking with her, the trainer, and the horse right now. It just took a bit of time. Could this not be your sister's problem with your new trainer?

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JumpinRealHigh
Dec. 23, 2003, 06:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally DCM:
JumpinRealHigh - did your sister visit the barn you mentioned on Sunday? How did she like it? Is she still looking? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

When we changed barns two years ago, my dtr did not get along too well with her trainer. But, we were also told by another mom that it may take a year or so to get used to our trainer's style (she's, ummmm, blunt). Things are really clicking with her, the trainer, and the horse right now. It just took a bit of time. Could this not be your sister's problem with your new trainer?

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Yes, they did go look at the barn, but no-one was around to show them the place, must of been some mis-commuication. But they did think the place was nice. It's out in Oxford.

[This message was edited by JumpinRealHigh on Dec. 23, 2003 at 08:08 PM.]

JumpinRealHigh
Dec. 23, 2003, 05:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GummiBear:
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My observations of the trainer in question this past year were:
-delaying the hunter ring at Waterloo for 15 minutes while he gave a student a lesson to try to get her over ONE fence without stopping so she could go in and compete....only when threatened with "get in or you're out" did he comply.
-sitting on his butt at Merrill Lynch while 2 of his students worked theirs off from dawn to dusk (for NO PAY) to take care of his other princesses who couldn't even get around a course without either a stop or a fall. Needless to say, neither of these girls are riding with him anymore.
Not exactly my definition of a great trainer.
http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ya GummiBear...I did not witness this, but I know who you are referring to. Yes it is a shame. This guy has made more kids want to give up riding now that I think bout it. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Jumpers Rule!!!

JumpinRealHigh
Dec. 23, 2003, 05:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sparten:
Not to mention I would not rank Michigan as a hot bed of talented riders except for the Howard kids.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I beg to differ with you. I think Michigan has ALOT of talented riders, besides those that show with Polly. I would name them, but why????

Jumpers Rule!!!

[This message was edited by JumpinRealHigh on Dec. 23, 2003 at 08:22 PM.]

sparten
Dec. 24, 2003, 07:37 AM
Hey there's nothing wrong with wanting to just be a decent rider in Michigan. I'm not Rachel, nor do I live there. I actually show at the bigger shows and have known him for a long time and he's done very well. My point was not that it was all of his training with Kat at Harrisburg although is was partly that but that Polly sent her kids with him. Did she said them with your trainer oh wasn't he there????

sparten
Dec. 24, 2003, 07:38 AM
Trust me in the scheme of real horse shows there's only a few really good riders in Michigan... Try Brewster if you need a trainer..

JumpinRealHigh
Dec. 24, 2003, 09:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sparten:
Hey there's nothing wrong with wanting to just be a decent rider in Michigan. I'm not Rachel, nor do I live there. I actually show at the bigger shows and have known him for a long time and he's done very well. My point was not that it was all of his training with Kat at Harrisburg although is was partly that but that Polly sent her kids with him. Did she said them with your trainer oh wasn't he there????<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My sources inform me that Steve was chosen to assist Polly's kids (notice I say assist) as she had a prior engagement and felt her kids can get along with out her. As for picking Steve, the way I understand it is he had no kids there that qualified and since he would be HANGING anyways the arrangement was made.

Please correct me if I'm wrong....Polly would be interested to know too... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Jumpers Rule!!!

Jumpper/Hunter
Dec. 24, 2003, 09:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sparten:
Trust me in the scheme of real horse shows there's only a few really good riders in Michigan... Try Brewster if you need a trainer..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sparten, Why is it that this is your only topic EVER on this board???? That says something right there.

As far as Michigan riders go, yes the Howards are very successful and yes they have the majority of the Michigan top riders. Why do you think that is??? BECAUSE POLLY WORKS HER BUTT OFF TO GET THE KIDS THERE AND BEEN DOING IT ALL HER LIFE

Now that Hannah Kraus is @ FOX MEADOW her team will only be enhanced. There are alot of TOP MICHIGAN riders outside of Fox Meadow, take a look at the Zone results or HJAM results.

You do know how to look at them don't you???? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

[This message was edited by Jumpper/Hunter on Dec. 24, 2003 at 01:02 PM.]

Dancetil3
Dec. 24, 2003, 08:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sparten:
Trust me in the scheme of real horse shows there's only a few really good riders in Michigan... Try Brewster if you need a trainer..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah, yes. Brewster. A few months ago he bought a lovely Trakener mare from a barn where I used to train. I wonder if he's sold her yet. Bet she goes fast if he takes her to Florida. She's a big gray who should be a wonderful hunter. She's got quite a personality, too! Kinkadia is her registered name. Let me know if you see her!

"That is, without doubt, the worst pirate I've ever seen." -- Commodore Norrington in The Pirates of the Carribbean.

blaze'swonder
Dec. 24, 2003, 08:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JumpinRealHigh:
We live in Sterling Heights. But, like I said, if it is a good barn where my sister can get the proper training my parents will make the drive. She hasn't shown yet, but would like to start, so probably C or B barn.

Thanks for the input.


My email isn't working, so I can't email anyone.

Jumpers Rule!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
hey how far away is sterling heights from paw paw or lawerence and is ther or was there a horse named Tristen at you barn? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[This message was edited by blaze'swonder on Dec. 24, 2003 at 11:35 PM.]

Gracious
Dec. 24, 2003, 10:44 PM
Paw Paw is pretty much on the other side of the state from Sterling Heights. I'm semi-familiar with barns in the Paw Paw area. Do you know the name of the barn he's at? (Or the trainer there?)

Erin B
-Set the Standard-

mmaurer
Dec. 25, 2003, 06:31 AM
Personally one of the best and talented coaches out there is Dorothy Campbell. She is located near oxford at her own place, Just A Folly farm, she teaches from beginners to A's (she also is a judge) and even teaches old Ammies like myself. I have taken lessons for decades and she gets the best out of me and my horses. Her riders have won zone, qualified for indoors and done Florida.

Email me from my profile for her phone number.

Leslie Maurer
Jump The Moon Sporthorses
Home of Echo Shea (arab sporthorse RPSI Book I) and Outrageous Fortune(overo Pinto CSHA Approved)
http://www.jtmsporthorses.com

sparten
Dec. 25, 2003, 12:11 PM
Well I happen to be good friends with Meg Howard I'd be happy to give you their number so you can ask them. Steve had a couple of kids at Harrisburg you see I was there and I had dinner with them. This is my only post because I was trying to help you find a good trainer. You don't have to like Steve that is fine but you are wrong on his talent. I grew up in Michigan and rode with many of the trainers and Steve is a good one. Is he perfect no but if you find one that is please let me know..

sparten
Dec. 25, 2003, 12:14 PM
Dorothy is a good trainer when I rode with her. I've heard she's fallen on hard times. If it's true I hope things get better for her.

sspry
Dec. 25, 2003, 12:36 PM
I agree that Dorothy is a very talented coach. I rode with her for many years and learned sooo much. Great lady- I only wish her the best. Your sister should definitely look into riding with her.

NAHuber
Dec. 25, 2003, 06:17 PM
[QUOTE] Ah, yes. Brewster. A few months ago he bought a lovely Trakener mare from a barn where I used to train. I wonder if he's sold her yet. Bet she goes fast if he takes her to Florida. She's a big gray who should be a wonderful hunter. She's got quite a personality, too! Kinkadia is her registered name. Let me know if you see her!

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"Kinky" is at our barn (Old Gold..I ride with Brewster). She is absolutely adorable and appears to be coming along very nicely. My gelding is in love with her..they visit over the pasture fence.

Court@HJ-OH
Dec. 25, 2003, 06:28 PM
Who is at Solitude now? They seem like they have a nice barn.

**Courtney**

luckydawg
Dec. 25, 2003, 07:28 PM
Just curious to know, who would you guys consider to be the top 5 hunter/jumper/equitation trainers in the state? Judged on quality of riders, quality of schooling, etc.

Jumpper/Hunter
Dec. 25, 2003, 08:06 PM
GREG CROLICK...now there's one heck of a nice guy. From what I see, he is ONE OF THE BEST trainers and riders.

[This message was edited by Jumpper/Hunter on Dec. 28, 2003 at 09:27 PM.]

JumpinRealHigh
Dec. 25, 2003, 08:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jumpper/Hunter:
Now that Hannah Kraus is @ FOX MEADOW her team will only be enhanced. There are alot of TOP MICHIGAN riders outside of Fox Meadow, take a look at the Zone results or HJAM results.

You do know how to look at them don't you???? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

[This message was edited by Jumpper/Hunter on Dec. 24, 2003 at 01:02 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow....Hanah left Foxwoode...INTERESTING http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

**Sparten** Thanks but no thanks on the phone #'s, already have em...WOULD YOU LIKE POLLY'S #?? I mean, if you want to clear up the Harrisburg issue. Steve DID NOT have any kids there...Maybe you would like to share their names so we all here on this board can confirm with you??? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Jumpers Rule!!!

dcm
Dec. 25, 2003, 08:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jumpper/Hunter:
Now that Hannah Kraus is @ FOX MEADOW her team will only be enhanced.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is this official now? Nice kid. I heard she was at their table at the MHSA banquet recently....

Brewster is coming to my dtr's barn in Feb for a clinic. I've heard lots of nice things about him, Greg Crolick, and both Meg and Polly at Fox Meadow.

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sparten
Dec. 26, 2003, 05:50 AM
Top people to ride with would be:

Howard's
Steve
Brewster
Eve and Sandy
Dorothy

Jumpper/Hunter
Dec. 26, 2003, 07:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dcm:
Is this official now? Nice kid. I heard she was at their table at the MHSA banquet recently....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif Yes it is!!! She's been over there for weeks now. Christopher must be having a HARD time letting go, she is still on his website as one of his kids... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

dcm
Dec. 26, 2003, 08:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jumpper/Hunter:
http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif Yes it is!!! She's been over there for weeks now. Christopher must be having a HARD time letting go, she is still on his website as one of his kids... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good to hear that. Is she happy there? I did not know Hannah, but knew someone who rode with her at Foxwoode (but no longer does). She really liked Hannah, and seemed concerned for her when she left the barn.

So, who is this "Steve" everyone is talking about? I'm not familiar with a "Steve" or Springbrook. Who are his successful riders? Keep in mind that my dtr has not ridden the rated circuit yet (moving up this year), so the names I know either have success in MHJA, or I know of their name through reputation or our trainer speaking highly of them. Or my dtr has lessoned or cliniced with them at one time or another.

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JumpinRealHigh
Dec. 26, 2003, 08:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dcm:
So, who is this "Steve" everyone is talking about? I'm not familiar with a "Steve" or Springbrook. Who are his successful riders? Keep in mind that my dtr has not ridden the rated circuit yet (moving up this year), so the names I know either have success in MHJA, or I know of their name through reputation or our trainer speaking highly of them. Or my dtr has lessoned or cliniced with them at one time or another.

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Since you will be seeing alot of him (moving up to the A's) you won't forget him once you see http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif him. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif HE'S THE ONE HANGING WITH THE HOWARDS DRIVING AROUND ON THEIR GOLF CART OR HANGING ON LINDA HAKE'S & BREWSTERS COAT TAILS..His name is STEVE HAWKINS and he is one of the http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif trainers http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif over at Springbrook which is in Sterling Heights.

He has made more kids than I can count STOP WANTING TO RIDE & HAVE STOPPED RIDDING ALTOGETHER.....Lost their love to want to show. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

Jumpers Rule!!!

[This message was edited by JumpinRealHigh on Dec. 26, 2003 at 01:09 PM.]

Jumpper/Hunter
Dec. 26, 2003, 10:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JumpinRealHigh:
Since you will be seeing alot of him (moving up to the A's) you won't forget him once you see http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif him. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif _HE'S THE ONE HANGING WITH THE HOWARDS DRIVING AROUND ON THEIR GOLF CART_ _OR HANGING ON LINDA HAKE'S & BREWSTERS COAT TAILS.._His name is STEVE HAWKINS and he is one of the http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif trainers http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif over at Springbrook which is in Sterling Heights.

He has made more kids than I can count STOP WANTING TO RIDE & HAVE STOPPED RIDDING ALTOGETHER.....Lost their love to want to show. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

Jumpers Rule!!!

[This message was edited by JumpinRealHigh on Dec. 26, 2003 at 01:09 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OMG-I am rollin on the floor laughin...Even tho I find it funny (that someone had the balls to post) it is all true.....re-the coat tails thingy.... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

sparten
Dec. 26, 2003, 01:23 PM
Please you guys really don't know much. First of all Brewster started haning with Steve. Brewster is a great rider but not much of a teacher, not that he couldn't be I think he'd rather ride the horses than teach. And for Linda Hake..please that is a joke!!!

Up2
Dec. 26, 2003, 01:30 PM
Howards
Zander
Cindy Phibs
Fred Ferris
Dorothy Campbell
Possibly Tim Sullivan

It is interesting Hannah left, hehehe. Not a member of any cults or clicks!!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

sparten
Dec. 26, 2003, 01:32 PM
For the people you say he has made not want to ride it's their lack of talent...I know most of the people who have ridden with him and left him and with the exception of maybe two the rest have had no to minimal talent. Let me know when you're showing at Kentucky, Chicago, Aiken etc and I would love to come watch you ride Jumpinrealhigh..A good argument is always fun... Good luck on your hunt for a trainer.

sparten
Dec. 26, 2003, 01:34 PM
Zander was good in his days and Tim is good for the B circuit. Oh yea Cindy Orr is good too

Dancetil3
Dec. 26, 2003, 03:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>"Kinky" is at our barn (Old Gold..I ride with Brewster). She is absolutely adorable and appears to be coming along very nicely. My gelding is in love with her..they visit over the pasture fence.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, we called her Katie. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif My sister and I are her fan club. She's quite a character. Please keep me updated on her. We'll have to make a trip out there to visit her. Thanks for the info. I figured she was at Old Gold.

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sparten
Dec. 26, 2003, 03:38 PM
Jumpinhigh, just wanted to let you know Steve did have a kid at Harrisburg as well schooling Chris who used to ride with Linda who rides with him now as well as 3 Howard kids.. Just didn't want you to be mis-informed!

JumpinRealHigh
Dec. 26, 2003, 07:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sparten:
Jumpinhigh, just wanted to let you know Steve did have a kid at Harrisburg as well schooling Chris who used to ride with Linda who rides with him now as well as 3 Howard kids.. Just didn't want you to be mis-informed!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What does it mean "schooling Chris @ Harrisburg"?? First off, you don't just school @ Harrisburg. This is not your typical show where you can go & school. The only way to be there is to qualify. So No-One would be there just to school, I don't care who you are or who your trainer is.

Second, Christina Jason DID NOT qualify for Harrisburg. She may of been there, but did not compete. Her horse, Chalupa did not qualify for the medal nor the Junior Hunters.

I believe Spartan you previously posted that Steve did in FACT have students there, in fact I believe you stated you went to dinner with them. Well, here's the standings list MEDAL (http://www.equestrian.org/points2003/pointsDisplay.php?year=2003&zone=0&section=6100). I don't think you will find her name here. If you do PLEASE LET ME KNOW. (In Michigan you need at least 13 points in order to qualify) Also, just in case you say she was there for Junior Hunters, here is the qualifying list of the Juniors right from Harrisburg Harrisburg Junior Hunters Large 16-17 (http://www.panational.org/RESULTS/SEC_1036.HTM)
SO, WHO WAS IT YOU WENT TO DINNER WITH???? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

I know some of you posters may find this ridiculous, (I APOLOGIZE) but Sparten has challenged me as she states that Steve was selected from the Howards's like it was some big honor, when I know for a fact he was asked because he had no students there and Polly knew he would just be hanging and knew her kids could get along without her.

POINT PROVEN http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Also Sparten, everyone should also know that Christina Jason is NO LONGER with Steve, in fact she is one of those that HATES it so bad (she was one of his Merrill Lynch victims that someone posted here earlier about) and she too has given up riding. Another bites the dust cause of Steve Hawkins.

Jumpers Rule!!!

JumpinRealHigh
Dec. 26, 2003, 07:27 PM
Sparten, a little confused http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sparten:
Trust me in the scheme of real horse shows there's only a few really good riders in Michigan... Try Brewster if you need a trainer..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sparten:
Please you guys really don't know much. First of all Brewster started haning with Steve. Brewster is a great rider but not much of a teacher, not that he couldn't be I think he'd rather ride the horses than teach. And for Linda Hake..please that is a joke!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


So, which is it?? Do you like Brewster as a trainer or not.... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif I think you don't know which end is up....

Jumpers Rule!!!

limericksg
Dec. 26, 2003, 10:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Court@HJ-OH:
Who is at Solitude now? They seem like they have a nice barn.

**Courtney**<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

From what I have heard, the trainer situation is a bit up in the air right now. I believe their professional rider left too.

Sarah

Court@HJ-OH
Dec. 27, 2003, 08:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by limericksg:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Court@HJ-OH:
Who is at Solitude now? They seem like they have a nice barn.

**Courtney**<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

From what I have heard, the trainer situation is a bit up in the air right now. I believe their professional rider left too.

Sarah<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Was that Ben something? Where is he now?

**Courtney**

gummibear
Dec. 27, 2003, 02:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sparten:
Zander was good in his days and Tim is good for the B circuit. Oh yea Cindy Orr is good too<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Obviously Sparten you have not kept up on the top riders in the state for a few years. Zander trained Ashley Delzer (his only junior rider) who won EVERY equitation division in Michigan and qualified for EVERY national final last season (finished 6th at Syracuse). Tim hasn't done a 'B' show in at least 4 years, in 2001 a rider of his won the zone 5 children's hunter championship, he trained the 2002 HJAM champs in 15 and under eq. (both over fences and under saddle), the HJAM Limit Eq. champ and Pony Eq. champ (both over fences and under saddle) and in 2003 trained the HJAM junior jumper champion (4th in zone 5), the HJAM limit medal champion, had one of his riders be the alternate for the zone prix de states team (and actually she should have been on the team 'cause of a points screw up...). Tim has a VERY small group of junior riders that show (3-4?), I don't think Zander has any now that Ashley has aged out, but the ones they have/had are good and they win a LOT. Who do you think taught the Howard girls how to ride way back when? I would train with either of these men in a heartbeat, their results certainly speak for themselves unlike some of the other trainers that have been discussed here.
Unfortunately I haven't seen Dorothy train anyone at a show for 2 years. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif She's a great lady. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[This message was edited by GummiBear on Dec. 27, 2003 at 06:49 PM.]

Up2
Dec. 27, 2003, 05:50 PM
Hear, hear Gummi http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Who do you think trained, Brewster, Dorothy, Chris Starr, Rick Dayner,Ashley Dhelzer, and many others who either have gone on to be excellent pros or very successful riders? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
On Solitude, it was Ben. He seems not to last very long anywhere. Not my favorite trainer/rider http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif

texana07
Dec. 28, 2003, 12:33 AM
Hmmm...you all are a fiesty bunch but I'm very glad to read this all as I may be applying to transfer to U Mich and would much like to visit barns while visiting the school. Which of the above mentioned, if any are within about an hour of Ann Arbor? What "incredible competitive" trainers do you recommend in that area? Sorry, don't mean to hijack the thread but, alas, I am a Texan (with Illinois and Wisconsin roots http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif) who is completely oblivious to Michigan geography and don't know where any of these towns are. Thanks in advance!

jumpforjoy
Dec. 28, 2003, 05:20 AM
Has anyone heard of "Northern Pines" in the Maple City/Leland area? Thumbs up , or down?

slp
Dec. 28, 2003, 08:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by texana07:
Hmmm...you all are a fiesty bunch but I'm very glad to read this all as I may be applying to transfer to U Mich and would much like to visit barns while visiting the school. Which of the above mentioned, if any are within about an hour of Ann Arbor? What "incredible competitive" trainers do you recommend in that area? Sorry, don't mean to hijack the thread but, alas, I am a Texan (with Illinois and Wisconsin roots http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif) who is completely oblivious to Michigan geography and don't know where any of these towns are. Thanks in advance!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are a couple of really good trainers very close to Ann Arbor, particularly Cindy Phibbs and Fred Farris. I know Cindy doesn't have school horses though, you have to have your own, don't know about Fred with that. Several other decent ones in the area depending on what level you want to compete at, also several that IMO you don't want to go near. Feel free to email me or send me a PT for more info, email address is in profile.
Susan

slp
Dec. 28, 2003, 08:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jumpforjoy:
Has anyone heard of "Northern Pines" in the Maple City/Leland area? Thumbs up , or down?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Big thumbs up for this one....they do a lot of their showing in Illinois (Chicago area which is where she is originally from) but Melissa Hirt has a great reputation and has a couple of really good junior riders.
Susan

o2binca
Dec. 28, 2003, 11:41 AM
texana07 -

You might also want to look at Hawthorn Hill Farm in Ann Arbor...nice and knowledgable trainer...good group of kids (from short stirrup riders to ones that go indoors for the medal finals, including other U of M students)...excellent horse care.

Many of the riders with big aspirations end up with Polly Howard. I think she is about 45 minutes south, but someone may correct me on this.

I have also heard good things about Cindy Orr who is about 45 minutes north of A2.

Cindy Phibbs is in Ann Arbor.

Fred Farris is in South Lyon, about 30 minutes away.

U of M has an equestrain team that rides out of Willowbrooke Farm in South Lyon. Their coach is Jennifer Blades.

Many of the barns mentioned earlier on the thread are north of Detroit and are an hour's drive if there is no traffic and no bad weather (neither of which can be counted on).

I am always shocked at how snarky the Michigan threads get. In general the people here are very nice.

[This message was edited by o2binca on Dec. 28, 2003 at 09:05 PM.]

luckydog
Dec. 28, 2003, 11:54 AM
I love Cindy Orr and Jenny her professional rider and assistant trainer. Her barn name is Huntsover located in Holly.NO DIRT ROADS easy on the car. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif We have a group of very nice kids including my daughter. Some doing beginner circut stuff and others A. Everyone is great. come check it out.

o2binca
Dec. 28, 2003, 11:59 AM
Hi luckydog - Did you know a sale horse from Cody Williams that was at you barn for a couple weeks last May? His name was Ernie.

slp
Dec. 28, 2003, 12:09 PM
Ditto on the recommendations for both Hawthorn Hill and Huntsover; I've always been very impressed with watching the trainers from both of these places and how they interact with/treat both their students and their horses.
There are a LOT of really good trainers here in the SW Michigan area (along with other parts of the state as well) and everyone of course will have their favorites. That's why it's so important to check out as many as you can and make the decision who is right for YOU. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif You can learn a lot about who is good and who isn't just by hanging around a show for a couple of days. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

o2binca, how is your sweet baby doing?? Can't wait to see him in May, he's definately a keeper!

Susan

[This message was edited by slp on Dec. 28, 2003 at 09:57 PM.]

luckydog
Dec. 28, 2003, 12:09 PM
not sure of the name sometimes the name gets changed. Can u describe him? did he get purchased?

o2binca
Dec. 28, 2003, 12:45 PM
slp - Thanks for asking. We are having a great time. When I started back I swore I wouldn't ride in winter, but I'm still out there. How is Riley? Are you guys moving up to the 3'6" this year?

[This message was edited by o2binca on Dec. 28, 2003 at 09:06 PM.]

Jumpper/Hunter
Dec. 28, 2003, 06:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dcm:

Good to hear that. Is she happy there? I did not know Hannah, but knew someone who rode with her at Foxwoode (but no longer does). She really liked Hannah, and seemed concerned for her when she left the barn. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

FYI-Hannah is HAPPY!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

dcm
Dec. 28, 2003, 07:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by o2binca:
I am always shocked at how snarky the Michigan threads get. In general the people here are very nice.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, that's because the trainers here are either really good or really bad, except for those that fall in between and you either really like or really dislike them. Nothing halfway here in MI. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Ours falls in between. She's not known much on the rated circuit outside of the "trainer circle" (...yet...she's young and moving up), but is a good trainer (esp with young or problem horses), and is definitely not for the tender hearted or timid rider. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Then again, there are plenty of good trainers here who have much better people skills. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

I will also ditto Cindy Orr at Huntsover, and Hawthorne Hill. Both are good places to try.

I do have a couple of questions on some of the posts here. First, someone said Greg Crolick was at Solitude? Isn't Solitude the barn near K-Zoo? I thought Greg was at Bloomfield. (Maybe I'm wrong, too? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif) Second, I still don't get who this Steve Hawkins is.....who are his successful riders? Or am I being obtuse and he has no successful riders? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Sorry, just curious since he is causing so much heated discussion. I do watch the results from the rated circuit and am sort of familiar with some names.

Oh, and why has no one mentioned Roger Turner?

Um, and JRH, if your sister is looking for a C or B trainer and she looked in Oxford....could it have been Debbie Butler Proux at Win-A-Gin? If so, she's a great lady and is awesome with kids. For another C or B barn in that area, try K-Farms in Ortonville - Donna Caston is good, and has a large and friendly group of kids there (wide range of ages and skills, too).

Okay, I'm done.

Well, maybe.....<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> FYI-Hannah is HAPPY!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Excellent! I wish her the best. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

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ChampionMercedes
Dec. 28, 2003, 08:03 PM
Why did Hannah leave Foxwoode?

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JumpinRealHigh
Dec. 28, 2003, 08:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dcm:
Yup, that's because the trainers here are either really good or really bad, except for those that fall in between and you either really like or really dislike them. Nothing halfway here in MI. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I do have a couple of questions on some of the posts here. Second, I still don't get who this Steve Hawkins is.....who are his successful riders? Or am I being obtuse and he has no successful riders? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Sorry, just curious since he is causing so much heated discussion. I do watch the results from the rated circuit and am sort of familiar with some names.

Um, and JRH, if your sister is looking for a C or B trainer and she looked in Oxford....could it have been Debbie Butler Proux at Win-A-Gin? If so, she's a great lady and is awesome with kids. For another C or B barn in that area, try K-Farms in Ortonville - Donna Caston is good, and has a large and friendly group of kids there (wide range of ages and skills, too).

Okay, I'm done.

Well, maybe.....<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> FYI-Hannah is HAPPY!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Excellent! I wish her the best. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

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http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif DCM-I don't suppose you want my opinion AGAIN on Steve Hawkins, but if any one else wants to step up to the plate, it will just endorse my opinion. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif I can't help but notice that Sparten hasn't had anything to say!!!! Wonder why that is?? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif

My sister & parents looked again at this barn. I believe it was Just A Folly, I could be wrong, or maybe that's the one they are looking @ on Wednesday.
STILL OPEN FOR MORE SUGGESTIONS.
Jumpers Rule!!!

gummibear
Dec. 29, 2003, 09:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JumpinRealHigh:

Um, and JRH, if your sister is looking for a C or B trainer and she looked in Oxford....could it have been Debbie Butler Proux at Win-A-Gin? If so, she's a great lady and is awesome with kids. For another C or B barn in that area, try K-Farms in Ortonville - Donna Caston is good, and has a large and friendly group of kids there (wide range of ages and skills, too).
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http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif DCM-I don't suppose you want my opinion AGAIN on Steve Hawkins, but if any one else wants to step up to the plate, it will just endorse my opinion. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif I can't help but notice that Sparten hasn't had anything to say!!!! Wonder why that is?? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif

My sister & parents looked again at this barn. I believe it was Just A Folly, I could be wrong, or maybe that's the one they are looking @ on Wednesday.
STILL OPEN FOR MORE SUGGESTIONS.
Jumpers Rule!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just A Folly is Dorothy Campbells place. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
The ones that dcm mentioned would also be good for comparisons sake.
The only successful riders that S.H has ever had were Christina and Liz and they have both left him, Christina has quit riding.....enuf said as to the quality of training. When I see a trainer with students that never move up, that to me doesn't reflect on the rider just not being good, it says they are not being taught properly. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif
GB

mmaurer
Dec. 29, 2003, 09:32 AM
although Just A Folly might not be the fanciest barn you will find, the care is excellent. The arena and outdoor rings are worked frequently and EVERY horse has out time. As a good friend and client of Dorothy's, I can say she has some excellent riders and horses coming out on the A circuit in the next couple of years..and I hope to be one of them. The barn is very friendly,well run and no politics allowed!!

Leslie Maurer
Jump The Moon Sporthorses
Home of Echo Shea (arab sporthorse RPSI Book I) and Outrageous Fortune(overo Pinto CSHA Approved)
http://www.jtmsporthorses.com

KtDid
Dec. 29, 2003, 10:29 AM
mmaurer, check your PTs...I was wondering if you could give me more info on Dorothy Campbell's place.

*Finding my way back to sanity again, though i don't really know what im gonna do when i get there.*
~Katie

For$ure
Dec. 29, 2003, 03:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GummiBear:
Just A Folly is Dorothy Campbells place. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
The ones that dcm mentioned would also be good for comparisons sake.
The only successful riders that S.H has ever had were Christina and Liz and they have both left him, Christina has quit riding.....enuf said as to the quality of training. When I see a trainer with students that never move up, that to me doesn't reflect on the rider just not being good, it says they are not being taught properly. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif
GB<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dorothy is a WONDERFUL lady...I hope to see her training at the shows again. I know she had some hard times but from the sounds of it things should be looking up.

Ah, Springbrook. Ahh, Steve....Don't want to say too much here as I don't want any stirring of the pot again, but we left Springbrook a while back after Steve was there for a week. His opinion of our then horse was "She will never have the stride to show in the "A" circuit. Boy he couldn't of been more wrong. She won almost every under/saddle class and was a spectatular hunter. This mare not only gained her stride, but was competing successfully in the Child/Adult Jumpers. Was Champion or Reserve @ every "A" show she did this year up until we sadly sold her. And her stride, WOW http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif. Steve couldn't of been more wrong. Oh Ya, she was Champion in the State for Limit Eq for her then rider. (My daughter out grew her long time ago but we couldn't part with her) None of this credit goes to us tho, all to our trainer who knows how to work miracles with what you have...would never think of convincing you to sell just to put a buck in is pocket.

slp
Dec. 29, 2003, 06:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ForSure:

None of this credit goes to us tho, all to our trainer _who knows how to work miracles with what you have...would never think of convincing you to sell just to put a buck in is pocket._<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

We are very lucky, aren't we?
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Susan

JumpinRealHigh
Dec. 31, 2003, 07:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by For$ure:
Ah, Springbrook. Ahh, Steve....Don't want to say too much here as I don't want any stirring of the pot again, but we left Springbrook a while back after Steve was there for a week. His opinion of our then horse was "She will never have the stride to show in the "A" circuit. Boy he couldn't of been more wrong. She won almost every under/saddle class and was a spectatular hunter. This mare not only gained her stride, but was competing successfully in the Child/Adult Jumpers. Was Champion or Reserve @ every "A" show she did this year up until we sadly sold her. And her stride, WOW http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif. Steve couldn't of been more wrong. Oh Ya, she was Champion in the State for Limit Eq for her then rider. (My daughter out grew her long time ago but we couldn't part with her) None of this credit goes to us tho, all to our trainer _who knows how to work miracles with what you have...would never think of convincing you to sell just to put a buck in is pocket._<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I admire your daughter, have seen her at shows and I LOVE to watch her ride!! Now that you posted some links it brings back alot of memories, especially that white horse, "Watch Me Now". That little stinker. Don't get me wrong, he was good more than he was bad and I've seen her win alot of classes with him against professionals too. Your daughter should definatly be BIG one day. I know she works very hard, sometimes I see her riding 5 or 6 horses at the same show. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gifHey, I can say "I know her" although I have never spoken to her, but I definately will approch her now.

P.S. I remember the little paint mare too. Man she can spin & turn & jump all at the same time. Who did you sell her to? Will she be showing in the same circuit??? She is a CUTIE http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Jumpers Rule!!!

For$ure
Dec. 31, 2003, 08:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JumpinRealHigh:
I admire your daughter, have seen her at shows and I LOVE to watch her ride!! Now that you posted some links it brings back alot of memories, especially that white horse, "Watch Me Now". That little stinker. Don't get me wrong, he was good more than he was bad and I've seen her win alot of classes with him against professionals too. Your daughter should definatly be _BIG_ one day. I know she works very hard, sometimes I see her riding 5 or 6 horses at the same show. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gifHey, I can say "I know her" although I have never spoken to her, but I definately will approch her now.

P.S. I remember the little paint mare too. Man she can spin & turn & jump all at the same time. Who did you sell her to? Will she be showing in the same circuit??? She is a CUTIE http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Jumpers Rule!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif, We all work very hard, me, my husband and especially my daughter. Owning 3 horses is ALOT of work. I wouldn't know life w/o horses and I would never change a thing.

Where do you ride? What's your horses name?

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For$ure
Dec. 31, 2003, 08:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JumpinRealHigh:

P.S. I remember the little paint mare too. Man she can spin & turn & jump all at the same time. Who did you sell her to? Will she be showing in the same circuit??? She is a CUTIE http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Jumpers Rule!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, I have to learn how to answer 2 questions/comments together.
We sold her to an 11 year old girl who lives in Ohio, and we are hoping to see her on the same circuit as her trainer does do the "A's" They are TOTALLY in awe with her. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

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JumpinRealHigh
Dec. 31, 2003, 09:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by For$ure:

Where do you ride? What's your horses name?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am at a Private barn for now, at least thru the winter. I don't want to say who my horse is for now for obvious reasons. I see you don't care for Steve either!! Not too many people do.. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

Jumpers Rule!!!

JumpinRealHigh
Dec. 31, 2003, 09:53 AM
Check your PT's For$ure. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jumpers Rule!!!

For$ure
Dec. 31, 2003, 10:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JumpinRealHigh:
Check your PT's For$ure. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jumpers Rule!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Check my WHAT???? What's a PT?

No, It's not that I don't like Steve. I really don't know him personally at all. He is always very nice to my family when we see him at the shows. He always says hi. We we're only @ Springbrook for a short while when he first came and I was just stating what his opionion was of our horse. He's intitled to his opinion I guess, but no, personally I think he's a nice guy, just we chose to follow our trainer and it worked out for us... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

What did I get myself into???

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ChampionMercedes
Dec. 31, 2003, 10:44 AM
A PT is a private topic. To view them click "My Space" at the top of the forum page, and then click "Private Topics"

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sarahsmiley
Dec. 31, 2003, 11:13 AM
Not to barge in on an already kind of crazy thread, but while we're talking about MI, I thought I'd give it a shot....

I'm looking for a good farm in the SE MI area that I can take h/j lessons at. However, I do NOT have my own horse. I graduated from the University of Findlay in may but ended up getting a "real" job (for now anyway....anyone want to hire me? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif). During the summer I had quite a few horses I rode (with no lessons) but they are all located about an hour from my house (in the Oxford/Metamora area). I would just like a place where I could get some lessons over fences on school horses or green horses or whatever anyone has to offer. I am still independently riding a horse, but I can only get out there once or twice a week. I also haven't had any lessons since about April, and I just want someone with a good eye who can keep me from falling into a million bad habits. Doesn't have to be a BNT at all, just someone with a good reputation. I don't have a LOT of money to spend, but would be willing to spend a little bit more for some good training.

I live in the Macomb Township area. The BEST area for me would be Romeo/Washington Township. If anyone has any ideas, please let me know! Thanks so much!

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ChampionMercedes
Dec. 31, 2003, 11:18 AM
Try Rochester Hills Stables, it's right between 32 mile road (Romeo Road) and 33 Mile Road.

http://www.rochesterhillsstables.com/

or check out http://www.mhja.org for more farms http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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slp
Dec. 31, 2003, 11:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ChampionMercedes:
Try Rochester Hills Stables, it's right between 32 mile road (Romeo Road) and 33 Mile Road.

http://www.rochesterhillsstables.com/

!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

While they are very nice over there, I wouldn't call their lesson program great; they are wonderful for the beginners but don't have a lot of more advanced riders. Many of them leave for better training once they have advanced enough.
Is Oakland Township (north of Rochester Hills, east of Lake Orion) too far? If you want info just send me an email, it's listed in my profile.
Susan

ChampionMercedes
Dec. 31, 2003, 12:17 PM
Thanks Susan http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif You're probably right, my moms old boss' kids ride there, thats like the only barn I know near there besides your barn.

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For$ure
Dec. 31, 2003, 12:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ChampionMercedes:
A PT is a private topic. To view them click "My Space" at the top of the forum page, and then click "Private Topics"

-Tami-

[Enigma 'Kid']

Thanks Tammy, PT's are kinda cool. As to your question over on the other thread-(is it okay to respond on a different thread?)

"Did she get him back around July? I think Tim pointed him out to me when I was there. Maybe not hehe, I was drooling over most of the horses in the barn."

-Tami-

I'm not sure which Bay you saw, but yes we got "For Real" in July which is when we also sold her Equitation horse "Abaco" so I dont know which one you saw. Both are striking. And yes we do have a lot of nice horse's to drool over in our barn. Thanks for the complimant, I will pass it on to Tim. "For Real's" first horse show was Waterloo, but please remember he is VERY GREEN if you saw him there. A totally different horse today and still has a long way to go.

Happy New Year to Everyone!!




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For$ure
Dec. 31, 2003, 12:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ChampionMercedes:
Thanks Susan http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif You're probably right, my moms old boss' kids ride there, thats like the only barn I know near there besides your barn.

-Tami-

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http://www.deeringdesigns.com Quality equine web deisgn!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Susan's right, we get ALOT of kids that switch over to our barn that come from there. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

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ChampionMercedes
Dec. 31, 2003, 12:25 PM
I missed going to Waterloo (couldn't get work off), but he was definately the horse I saw at the barn. Tim: ".. and this is Krystals new jumper." Me: "wow he's huge, and beautiful!"

The horse I'm leasing is 15.3hh, so everything seems big lol.

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Cabernet
Dec. 31, 2003, 03:50 PM
To Texana07,

I live in the Ann Arbor area and have ridden with both Cindy Phibbs at Hidden Lane Farm and with Jan Dooley at Hawthorn Hill Farm. If you attend U-M, both are a 10 to 15 minute drive. Both trainers are very nice, professional, and competent. Cindy's barn is smaller (fewer stalls = fewer horses) and you would need to bring your horse to school for her barn to be an option. Jan's barn includes a riding school and has horses available to lease. Both trainers have successful riders and novice adults in their programs. Jan took 2 juniors to Harrisburg for the medal finals this year, and Cindy coaches a high AO jumper rider. If you get serious about U-M, you should visit both barns.

As to the topic of the original thread, I rode on the very competitive Southern California show circuit until I moved to Michigan. It was tough to figure out where to ride when it was getting close to the big move date, but there are certainly good choices available in Michigan. While Michigan seems like a small community, to test your skills against riders across the country, you only need to go to Chicago for Equifest or to any shows at KY Horse Park. Michigan riders can hold there own out there. However, no one trainer is right for every rider. The younger sister looking for a trainer needs to decide what she wants her barn to be like.....lots of other riders her age? Other riders at the same level? Riders at lots of levels? Direct involvement in caring for the horse? More care provided by the boarding facility? Lots of shows? Just a few shows? How about the teaching style---some people like to be pushed by a screamer, other riders like a cheerleader, while still others like a collaborative teaching style. I think the person looking for a new barn should try to observe some lessons to test the comfort level. Plus, while she is novice/limit now, if she sticks with riding and is ready for a more serious environment, she could certainly make another move.

Just my thoughts....

For$ure
Dec. 31, 2003, 07:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JumpinRealHigh:
Check your PT's For$ure. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jumpers Rule!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I PT'd you back...Good Luck to you!

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For$ure
Dec. 31, 2003, 07:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cabernet:
To Texana07,

I live in the Ann Arbor area and have ridden with both Cindy Phibbs at Hidden Lane Farm and with Jan Dooley at Hawthorn Hill Farm. Both trainers are very nice, professional, and competent. Cindy coaches a high AO jumper rider. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Both trainers are very nice and talented. They seem to have a great team of riders. Re: Cindy-The High AO Jumper, is that Michelle?? We we're at our first horse show @ Waterloo in 1999 doing short stirrup on our little paint, my daughter was fortunate enough to be asked to cool Twig out for her after drooling over her & him in the jumpers. Ask her, that's how she got hooked. I should send her & Fred my bill. Just kidding, they are a GREAT family. I hope Fred is recovering and hope to see him in Florida. I know she also trains Mike too. Now there's a guy who has done nothing but IMPROVE under Cindy's care. That switch was definatley worth it.

Jan is always the nicest. Her riders are very talented and a joy to show with. Always dishing out the complement's. Man, she keeps the juniors competitive, has a nice group of young gals.

Either trainer would be a MUST to check out. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

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Jumpper/Hunter
Jan. 1, 2004, 07:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cabernet:
To Texana07,

I live in the Ann Arbor area and have ridden with both Cindy Phibbs at Hidden Lane Farm and with Jan Dooley at Hawthorn Hill Farm.
Just my thoughts....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Both ladies also get my thumbs up, although I have never ridden under their guidance, I see them at the shows and couldn't agree more. Give em a call.

sparten
Jan. 3, 2004, 09:16 AM
Jumpinhigh, Chris was there at harrisburg showing in the medals the year Kat one. SHe rode and was schooled by steve at harrisburg before her classes as well as one other student of his and the Howard kids...

sparten
Jan. 3, 2004, 09:19 AM
Funny why was Chris out riding this past weekend then??? And if you remember correctly Kat placed at Harrisburg last year not this year. You are correct Steve did not have anyone this year nor was he there. I'm talking about last year. Meg Howard happens to be a good friend of mine and I can promise you have it so wrong about Polly....

Cognac
Jan. 3, 2004, 11:04 AM
This has been an interesting read, as someone else from Michigan. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jingles for Barklay...

JumpinRealHigh
Jan. 3, 2004, 07:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sparten:
Jumpinhigh, Chris was there at harrisburg showing in the medals the year Kat one. SHe rode and was schooled by steve at harrisburg before her classes as well as one other student of his and the Howard kids...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif Chris rode and showed with Linda in 2002 http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif

Jumpers Rule!!!

gummibear
Jan. 4, 2004, 12:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JumpinRealHigh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sparten:
Jumpinhigh, Chris was there at harrisburg showing in the medals the year Kat one. SHe rode and was schooled by steve at harrisburg before her classes as well as one other student of his and the Howard kids...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif Chris rode and showed with Linda in 2002 http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif

Jumpers Rule!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why yes she did! It wasn't until spring of 2003 that she moved over to Springbrook......
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Up2
Jan. 4, 2004, 05:27 PM
The A/O rider you are thinking of is Sarah with Memphis Minnie. Michell lost Twig and has a new horse http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif So does Sarah a hunter.

For$ure
Jan. 4, 2004, 08:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Up2:
The A/O rider you are thinking of is Sarah with Memphis Minnie. Michell lost Twig and has a new horse http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif So does Sarah a hunter.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ya, I knew she lost Twig. He was @ MSU while our horse Abaco was there for enteritis, and then we stayed in touch and heard of their loss. Also I believe they lost their retired horse too shortly after. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I didn't know Sarah was with Cindy, I thought maybe Cabernet was refering to Michelle or Mike. Both have done nothing but progress with Cindy. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif NICE GROUP OF PEOPLE!! We we're stabled with them @ Merrill Lynch.

Memphis Minnie has always (for years) been a favorite of our trainer's. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

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[This message was edited by For$ure on Jan. 04, 2004 at 11:50 PM.]

luckydawg
Jan. 4, 2004, 09:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GummiBear:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JumpinRealHigh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sparten:
Jumpinhigh, Chris was there at harrisburg showing in the medals the year Kat one. SHe rode and was schooled by steve at harrisburg before her classes as well as one other student of his and the Howard kids...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif Chris rode and showed with Linda in 2002 http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif

Jumpers Rule!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why yes she did! It wasn't until spring of 2003 that she moved over to Springbrook......
http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hmmmm..... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif

Up2
Jan. 5, 2004, 02:49 PM
Her dog also , all in a short period of time. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif She was just thinking of letting me come ride and maybe show Twig.
Sarah has been with Cindy a long time. Michelle was with Rick and then went to Cindy.

Up2
Jan. 5, 2004, 02:54 PM
For$ure, is this Krystal? This is the Chaplady. Hi are you going to FL with the Waters?

For$ure
Jan. 6, 2004, 07:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Up2:
For$ure, is this Krystal? This is the Chaplady. Hi are you going to FL with the Waters?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi Cyndi,
This is Krystal's mom. How are you. Funny thing, Kyrstal want's another pair of chaps and was asking around @ the barn for your email.

Yes we are doing the whole circuit in Ocala, and we will be stabling with the Waters. Are you going? I am so looking forward to it. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif 81 degree's http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif there yesterday Hey, what's the chances of getting together before then?? We live like 1/2 mile away from you???

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sparten
Jan. 6, 2004, 01:22 PM
Yes she was riding with Linda in 2002 but Steve prepared her to go to the ring

luckydawg
Jan. 6, 2004, 02:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sparten:
Yes she was riding with Linda in 2002 but Steve prepared her to go to the ring<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif

Same song, yadda yadda.... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sleepy.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sleepy.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sleepy.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif

JumpinRealHigh
Jan. 6, 2004, 03:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sparten:
Yes she was riding with Linda in 2002 but Steve prepared her to go to the ring<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif !OMG! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif
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deltawave
Jan. 6, 2004, 03:35 PM
Nothing to add to the thread, really (I live in SW Michigan and am an eventer) but I enjoyed reading it! I used to board at Springbrook a long time ago (1991-92 and again briefly in 1996) and am wondering if the owners are still S and L? Wow, they were kinda crazy! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif How much is board there now, and do they still charge extra for turnout? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Wish I could remember the name of the trainers that were there back then--a husband and wife team who had a daughter named Hannah. Seemed like nice folks.

Back then there was so much room to ride--the last time I drove by it was surrounded by McMansions. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

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Jan. 8, 2004, 06:05 AM
Hey Chap Lady,
I hope you are still in town. If you are please respond to my prior entry here. Would love to get together!!

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Jan. 8, 2004, 05:18 PM
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Funinthesun
Jan. 9, 2004, 02:49 PM
Ok...Jumprealhigh......Steve Hawkins is a great trainer. You have your information all wrong!! Christina Jason DID NOT quit. I know her .....she thinks highly of steve. She has taken time off to focus more of her time on school. She still rides, and still rides with steve hakwins.

Justice
Jan. 9, 2004, 03:48 PM
As someone who's lived and ridden in both Southern California and Michigan, I find this thread very interesting. To me, the main problem with Michigan is the lack of nearby A shows. Within 2 1/2 hours of LA we have at least five top notch venues that I can think of off the top of my head. And if you want to do a winter circuit, it's no big deal to go to Indio for just the weeks you choose... it's still under 2 1/2 hours away.

However, Michigan didn't seem to have any A shows that I could find... even their local circuit required a hotel stay if you're from the GR area, and the facility that I experienced in my one and only venture into this circuit found my hunter up to his knees in water in his stall when I arrived at the show, with my trainer on a tractor trying to dig a ditch to get rid of the flood. Let's just say that's not something you're likely to see in the LA area for numerous reasons http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif (although the most obvious is that I can't imagine any of the trainers I've had here operating farm machinery!).

To me, the lack of close by shows meant that it cost about the same amount to attend a schooling show as it did to show in the As in Chicago (which is a fabulous place to show). And, the long trip to Florida where you can't just drive down to show for the weekend meant no winter circuit for me.

At least in the Grand Rapids area, the training program could not be more different than in LA. The barns I've ridden at in the LA area didn't even have school horses, while in GR that's how the barn owners (who are also the trainers... another big difference) seem to make the bulk of their money... resulting in little ring time for boarders since you're holed up in one ring during the winter. Also, a training program in LA generally consists of five days a week programming (either trainer rides or lessons), while in Michigan I only jumped once a week (maybe) and all flatwork was done sans trainer. I think there's a lot to be said for both ways of doing things - it's just a bit of culture shock to go back and forth as I've done in the last couple of years. And don't even get me started on the weather!

Just my observations. I've never heard of any of the trainers you guys are talking about - probably because I only lived out there for a couple of years, but I'm guessing everyone is in a different area than I was.

JumpinRealHigh
Jan. 9, 2004, 06:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Funinthesun:
Ok...Jumprealhigh......Steve Hawkins is a great trainer.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif Huh? Those words actually came off your keyboard?? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Funinthesun:
I know her .....she thinks highly of steve.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif Oh Boy!! You couldn't have it more wrong! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Funinthesun:
She has taken time off to focus more of her time on school. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sleepy.gif Hmmmmmmmmmmmm http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif

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Funinthesun
Jan. 10, 2004, 08:50 PM
The only reason Liz updike left steve hawkins...Is because they thought someone else could get the horse sold. I know liz and she would luv to come back and ride with steve hawkins.

Funinthesun
Jan. 10, 2004, 08:53 PM
Yeah. Anyone can have a short step and be champion in the child/adult jumpers. They can put as many steps as u want too. The horse doesn't have to have talent to be champion in that divison. Especialy when they just run at the jumpers and get lucky.

Funinthesun
Jan. 10, 2004, 10:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JumpinRealHigh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jumpper/Hunter:
Now that Hannah Kraus is @ FOX MEADOW her team will only be enhanced. There are alot of TOP MICHIGAN riders outside of Fox Meadow, take a look at the Zone results or HJAM results.

You do know how to look at them don't you???? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

[This message was edited by Jumpper/Hunter on Dec. 24, 2003 at 01:02 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow....Hanah left Foxwoode...INTERESTING http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

**Sparten** Thanks but no thanks on the phone #'s, already have em...WOULD YOU LIKE POLLY'S #?? I mean, if you want to clear up the Harrisburg issue. Steve DID NOT have any kids there...Maybe you would like to share their names so we all here on this board can confirm with you??? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Jumpers Rule!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Funinthesun
Jan. 10, 2004, 11:55 PM
Just to clear up any more confusion on the who taught who at Harrisburg in 2002. Steve Hawkins trained Tiffany Lukenhoff. Linda Hake Trained Christina Jason, Holly Harrison and Lauren Gersch, Both Steve and Linda helped Polly's students at Polly's request and guidance as for Kat Volk, she rode absolutely flawlessly that evening and it's too bad that Polly could not have been there due to her pregnacy to see all her years of hard work pay off. It was a special night for Kat and Steve and Linda enjoyed helping Polly out with all the kids she sent

slp
Jan. 11, 2004, 09:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Funinthesun:
The only reason Liz updike left steve hawkins...Is because they thought someone else could get the horse sold. I know liz and she would luv to come back and ride with steve hawkins.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That isn't what she told me in person several times last summer. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif
I find it interesting that the more someone comes here to post and defend someone, the more likely the accusations that they are defending are true. I really don't know any of the parties involved here, but this he said/she said stuff is getting kind of silly.
Let's give it a rest now, OK? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif
Susan

For$ure
Jan. 12, 2004, 08:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Funinthesun:
Yeah. Anyone can have a short step and be champion in the child/adult jumpers. They can put as many steps as u want too. The horse doesn't have to have talent to be champion in that divison. Especialy when they just run at the jumpers and get lucky.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You obviously are refferring to my post. You also obviously don't show or you would never make this statement because those that have seen her know that she has a BIG step. But that wasn't always the case, we worked & worked with her. She has the same stride as any horse now.

The only reason she did Children/Adults was because my daughter did NOT want to give her up so therefore our trainer decided to show her in a division that my daughter could do and not cross over with her other divisions with her other horses.

This horse (along with a different rider) was HJAM CHAMPION in 2002 for Limit Equitation Over Fences and also Limit Equitation On The Flat. Anyone who knows anything knows that your not CHAMPION in Equitation Divisions unless the horse can make the same strides as the other horses. Also, she showed in 3 out of 12 shows in Michigan in 2003 and ended up 4th overall in the State.

Why do I feel like I am educating someone?? You really need to know what your talking about before you make any statements.

SLP, your right, this is getting old.

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Ridin' Fool
Jan. 12, 2004, 11:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Memphis Minnie has always (for years) been a favorite of our trainer's. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Isn't she everybodys' fav? Always gives me hope that a thoroughbred off the track with a jump and heart as big as that mare's might be out there!

I grew up riding in MI (w/the Howards) and it's amazing that the talk, gossip and banter about trainers is basically the same as it was 15 years ago! Amazingly, I have NO clue who this Steve Hawkins is? I rode with Polly for 14 years... so why doesn't this guy ring a bell? Recent addition to the already crazy MI horse world?

Totally agree that Cindy Phibbs and Jan Dooley are excellent choices for trainers. Also agree that there is a general lack of wonderful AA shows in the state. I went to a B show at Willowbrook (? is that correct? In Williamston) this summer and enjoyed it - really good footing, decent courses, show moved along very well. Too bad they couldn't grab a few AA dates.

Still mourning the loss of BOH and Detroit/Motor City shows.

titan
Jan. 12, 2004, 11:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ridin' Fool:
I went to a B show at Willowbrook (? is that correct? In Williamston) this summer and enjoyed it - really good footing, decent courses, show moved along very well. Too bad they couldn't grab a few AA dates.

Still mourning the loss of BOH and Detroit/Motor City shows.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Willow Ridge in Williamston did try to host the Detroit/Motor City shows but could not get mileage waivers from Pat Boyle and a show in IN so all they got was the B dates. However, the new AA dates on the MI calendar look promising. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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JumpinRealHigh
Jan. 12, 2004, 03:43 PM
By popular demand, this will be the last entry under this thread. (I have had several Pt's)

For some reason some really ignorant people find a need to critize some very nice IMO people.

Sorry.....

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