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Friendscallmekiller
Jan. 31, 2011, 06:07 PM
Hi,

I am new to the forum, and I am curious what you think of her. She is a 5 year old gypsy vanner X arab. I have done all of her training,and am very happy with how she has turned out. I have done one test with her so far, and we got a 69.5. I never really appreciated dressage until I got this horse.



sorry, this is the best confo shot I have

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b116/TrippExamples/bf7ad946.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b116/TrippExamples/Nhalla%20Berry%20Bey/961173c5.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b116/TrippExamples/Nhalla%20Berry%20Bey/130e45d7.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b116/TrippExamples/Nhalla%20Berry%20Bey/150d73f3.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b116/TrippExamples/Nhalla%20Berry%20Bey/Brimfield8-15-10398.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b116/TrippExamples/Nhalla%20Berry%20Bey/Phil8-7-10011.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b116/TrippExamples/Nhalla%20Berry%20Bey/Brimfield8-15-10059.jpg

luchiamae
Jan. 31, 2011, 06:24 PM
Gypsy Vanner x Arab, that is an unusual mix (in Australia!) How do you find her to be? Did you have the usual issues with the canter because she is a part bred arab? I have a QH x Arab mare that is the best horse I have ever owned.

Does the cross in her weigh out the arab traits? Sorry for all the questions, just curious!

She looks very nice :)

Friendscallmekiller
Jan. 31, 2011, 06:32 PM
She is not overly sensitive and reactive like a lot of arabs, but she has the intelligence, and work ethic. She really strives to please, and loves people. She learns things very quickly, and always goes into a new situation well. I don't know what issues at the canter you are referring to, but her canter is very naturally balanced. She has just enough motor for my liking. Not overly forward, but willing to go if you ask.

luchiamae
Jan. 31, 2011, 06:36 PM
By usual issues, I meant that alot of Arabs and Arab-crosses have issues with the canter due to the back missing a vertebrae. My own mare cross-gaited for a good 6 months.

Friendscallmekiller
Jan. 31, 2011, 06:40 PM
Interesting. I am not new to arabs, but I had never heard that before. Luckily she is very naturally balanced, so I am sure that helps a lot.

Cruisesmom
Jan. 31, 2011, 06:54 PM
I am not an arab fan, but your mare is beautiful. Just the right mix for a nice sport horse prospect. Her confirmation is nice, and that neck is gorgeous. Have fun with her, she looks like a blast.:)

Megaladon
Jan. 31, 2011, 07:42 PM
Wow, great share!! I think she is awesome!! :D

enjoytheride
Jan. 31, 2011, 07:48 PM
Never heard that arabs have issues with canter due to lack of a vertebrae :lol:

Many are built croup high and this can lead to an uncomfortable (for horse and rider) canter that can only go so far.

Friendscallmekiller
Jan. 31, 2011, 08:46 PM
thank you for the kind words, she means the world to me. I have worked very hard to get her to where she is.

luchiamae
Jan. 31, 2011, 09:29 PM
I can't find the original website where I sourced my information but I did find this:

http://www.ultimatehorsesite.com/info/facts.html

Most horse breeds have 18 ribs.
The Arabian has 17 ribs.



And also:

http://www.equinekingdom.com/breeds/light_horses/arabian.htm

Arabian horses have 17 ribs, five lumbar vertebrae, and 16 tail bones, whereas the other equine breeds have 18 ribs, six lumbar ribs, and 18 tail bones. This unusual skeletal structure of the Arab accounts for their compact back and high tail carriage.

My instructor has confirmed this and so have the Endurance people that I have contact with.

Just seems to me that they have the most issues with canter (out of all the horses I’ve had including many, many Arabians/Arab crosses, I mean.)

I’m glad you were one of the lucky ones that got a good canter, you definitely can’t make those. She is a very sweet looking mare.

dwblover
Feb. 1, 2011, 12:14 AM
Super cute girl! Good job with her!!

mickeydoodle
Feb. 1, 2011, 12:24 AM
She is cute, and a nice lower level dressage horse. If she can jump, her nice dresage frame could get her good scores at training/prelim eventing. Her gaits do not have unlimited scope, so it is unlikely she will be a high level dressage horse- but she looks cute, fun and safe.

mbm
Feb. 1, 2011, 01:51 AM
what a cutie! she looks like a connemara! :) when you said gypsy vanner x arab, i wasn't expecting something as nice as her!

she looks to be very lovely and you will have a ton of fun on her!

Friendscallmekiller
Feb. 1, 2011, 09:45 AM
Thanks! I honestly didn't know what to expect when I went to look at her as a yearling. Fortunately she is well bred on both sides, so I think that made a difference.

mickey doodle-

She can jump, but I don't prefer jumping myself. I want her to be an all around horse, but this year we are doing dressage and cow events (those go hand in hand...right? lol)

here is a photo of her jumping

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b116/TrippExamples/Nhalla%20Berry%20Bey/Phil8-7-10315.jpg

here is a super old video, we have both come a long way since, but I figured it would give you an idea of her movement

http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b116/TrippExamples/Nhalla%20Berry%20Bey/?action=view&current=5-15-10072.mp4

ThreeFigs
Feb. 1, 2011, 11:21 AM
Very cool that you do dressage and cattle work with her!

Cross-training is gooood!

mjmvet
Feb. 1, 2011, 02:16 PM
What a cutie! I love her look!

mickeydoodle
Feb. 1, 2011, 11:18 PM
Yes, I looked at the video and the pic, she is very cute. I did not change my opinion of her limitations, enjoy her as a very cooperative, safe, FUN horse to ride and own.

Big_Grey_hunter
Feb. 2, 2011, 08:19 AM
Wow, much, much nicer than I expected from that cross. I was expecting to cringe, but she's quite lovely! How long between the first and last pictures?

You have done a great job with her, I can tell you took it slow. She seems very relaxed and not forced into a false frame. Cute little mare and lovely rider.

scubed
Feb. 2, 2011, 08:44 AM
cute jump. Maybe you should take up eventing:lol:

Friendscallmekiller
Feb. 2, 2011, 09:17 AM
pictures 5 and 7 are the oldest, then 6, then 3-4-5, and the first is the newest.

Thanks for the comments, MD, I just wanted people to be able to actually see her move. We would never go past 2nd or 3rd lvl dressage anyway, I don't know how to train that high, and we just do it for fun. She was fairly inexpensive to buy, so I don't have any delusions of her being a star in the future, lol.

Friendscallmekiller
Feb. 3, 2011, 10:03 AM
I found photos of both her parents

EW Collin of Brackenhill (sire)

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b116/TrippExamples/Nhalla%20Berry%20Bey/1b9fa5ec.jpg

and

BW Bridleberrybey (dam)

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b116/TrippExamples/Nhalla%20Berry%20Bey/Dam3.jpg

SisterToSoreFoot
Feb. 3, 2011, 01:08 PM
She is cute, and a nice lower level dressage horse. If she can jump, her nice dresage frame could get her good scores at training/prelim eventing. Her gaits do not have unlimited scope, so it is unlikely she will be a high level dressage horse- but she looks cute, fun and safe.

I don't see how one can assess gaits from still shots of a green horse during a schooling session.

ETA: Okay, now I see MD responds the same way to the video. Again, how could you make an assessment from such a brief, poor quality clip? In addition, the trot is the one gait that can be improved a great deal in dressage, again making comments about her limitations based on 15 seconds of trotwork nonsense. Now, if she showed a good quality clip of a poor walk or impure canter, that would be a different story. But little can be predicted from what we've seen, so I think its jumping the gun to talk about limitations.

Also, the mare's use of her hind leg in the trot pics is nice.

She's lovely. No telling how far the two of you might get.

Friendscallmekiller
Feb. 3, 2011, 02:49 PM
Thank you, STSF.

I have always heard that you judge a dressage prospect on their walk and canter, and that the trot can have room for progress, but I wasn't sure, as I am fairly new to dressage.

She has scored really well on her walk so far in training level.

like a said, I am not expecting her to be an FEI superstar. I have been told she was really nice by a few people, and I wanted to get some other opinions on her.