View Full Version : Katzengruber Dressage Saddle and other questions...
Jan. 30, 2011, 10:52 AM
So I'm in the market for a saddle. Truth be told it could be either a dressage saddle or an all-purpose with dressage tendency. We're talking intro, training and maybe first level in the very far future. And trail riding. I really, really, really need it to be brown. I can only afford one saddle, and we go to the occasional "show-ring" show for fun and it's easier to sneak into the hunter pleasure class in my dressage saddle if it's brown. Plus I just like brown on chestnut.
I think my horse will be relatively easy to fit. He's a 14.3 hand Paint who's a little wide in the shoulders, but appears to wear a MW wintec gullet fairly well; the wide gullet was too wide and sat down too far on him (in the wintec close contact model).
I need anywhere from a 17 to an 18 inch seat depending on the saddle and the depth of the seat.
Here's what I'm looking for for me: a not-to-deep seat that is supportive of the correct position but doesn't make you feel like you can't move, something to help me keep my legs back--I don't ride in a chair seat, but I have to work hard at not letting my left leg creep forward, and since I only ride 2-3 times a week it would be nice to have some help, a medium to narrow twist as I have very tight hips. And I really want a regular tree (not changeable gullet) and wool flock.
Oh yeah, definitely used and won't break the bank. I actually can't really purchase until my old saddle (on consignment at Pelham) sells. (Can't sell the wintec until I have something else to ride in.)
So...saw this brown Katzengruber on consignment at VTO. http://www.vtosaddlery.com/product/US/KDSBG.htm Never heard of it--does anyone know anything about it?
Any other ideas?
Thanks for the help!
Jan. 30, 2011, 06:17 PM
Bump. No one with any info on this saddle?
Jan. 31, 2011, 08:44 AM
It seems overpriced for being an unknown name saddle. If you google the name, you don't even get any hits except for the VTO ad, your post, and a post from a long time ago (maybe for former owner of this saddle!). I always buy used saddles with the idea of resale in case something changes and I need to sell it. There are tons of more marketable/known name saddles out there that have a variety of styles in brown (Passier, Stubben, etc). Have you looked at any of those?
Jan. 31, 2011, 09:25 AM
I think you should buy a new wintec saddle - it will cost around $750-$800 and you will get a really good saddle in the exact size that you want. It won't be leather and it won't be brown. But you will have a saddle that will last and that you will be happy riding in as you progress.
If you find that you still have need for a flat saddle, you can probably find one used for around $400-500.
I would avoid the all-purpose, they end up being "no-purpose" as you will be fighting for a correct dressage center.
Jan. 31, 2011, 10:05 AM
Katzengrber Anton seems to be a saddle maker near Vienna, Austria.
Don't have a website, only phone number.
You can google Katzengruber Anton sattlerei.
Jan. 31, 2011, 01:39 PM
Thank you alibi_18. I see when you translate the pages that result from a google search that most are just address and phone. Hmmmm... Well, I never said I was going to buy that saddle, I'm just looking, and it looked interesting.
NJRider, I'm keeping an eye out for a Passier that would work. So far I prefer those to the Stubbens I've sat in. Older models of either don't have much in the way of blocks or rolls, so I'm not sure how much "help" I'd get from them, but my trainer does swear by her old Passier. :)
Jan. 31, 2011, 01:53 PM
You can get older Countys for under $800. I always give the advice of going used with a higher end saddle. You might consider Thornhill saddles, anything made in Walsall England (home of County and Albion, but many lesser known brands at lower prices).
Some sites: http://www.riderscrossing.com/consignment.htm
Jan. 31, 2011, 06:21 PM
cmdrcltr, what a unique saddle to be drawn too. may I ask, what sparked your interest in it?
I happen to like the looks of it very much, looks like a nice quality saddle and I think that brown is awfully pretty. It looks comfortable to ride too, it looks as if it might have a nice wide seat, and from what I can tell I personally like the shape of the thigh block. I like the panel design too. The saddle strongly reminds me of a roosli.
At first glance it seems over priced, but on second thought its likely a very nice riding saddle for the ride rider/horse and rivals more expensive 'name brand' saddles. Its not uncommon for little known saddlers to turn out very high end product, hand made trees, etc. It would be a tough resell in the USA at that price though if it didn't work out, thats for sure.
It also appears to be a good saddle for a short back, and the tree looks pretty curvy. This may or may not suit you. If your horse is agreeable in a wintec, then probably not, as iirc wintecs fit on the flat side.
Jan. 31, 2011, 06:28 PM
oooh if you google katzengruber sattel a lot comes up
Jan. 31, 2011, 07:33 PM
Two things drew me to that saddle: the color brown and the apparent more open seat. Other than wanting brown, I want a seat that is no more than medium deep. I personally don't feel I need ultra-deep for the level of work I do, and I really like a flatter-seated saddle.
Hmmmm. His back is pretty short, so that point would be a good one. TI didn't really notice the curve of the tree, so it may not work for me. My horse has a relatively flat back. Thanks for pointing that out, Buck22.
Jan. 31, 2011, 08:21 PM
They are "luxury" Austrian saddles. A German ad here; http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.reitforum.de/bananenkissensattel-katzengruber-masssattel-373444.html&ei=LlBHTYycDoOBlAe-kOmgBA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=7&sqi=2&ved=0CGkQ7gEwBg&prev=/search%3Fq%3DKatzengruber%2Bsattel%26hl%3Den%26cli ent%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3Dxg4%26rlz%3D1R1GZAZ_en%26prmd%3Divnsfd
Not sure if it helps though ! (1 Euro = $1.3723 )
Jan. 31, 2011, 10:40 PM
These are nice saddles
Jan. 31, 2011, 10:45 PM
Hey, NJRider, I looked at that saddle. :D I wish it was a 17.5...I'd feel more comfortable giving it a try. I've got quite a few on my watch list at the moment, but I usually end up not daring to bid and try.
Jan. 31, 2011, 11:03 PM
I've always wanted to ride a podhajsky, they are supposed to be wonderful to ride, but never found one wide enough for my horse (they do make them wide, I just never came across one at the right time/price, and now its too late as he's retired).
I thought they were made by Ideal however, never heard of being made for bullion