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evans36
Jan. 4, 2011, 03:53 PM
From what I can tell this seems like a great bargain and I'm considering switching my dog over.

He's a Lab who eats like a vaccuum cleaner though. Can anyone tell me the kibble size on this? Specifically the LiveSmart Chicken and Brown Rice Weight Management formula. If it isn't a larger kibble, he won't chew it. And we know where that leads.

Thanks!

Auventera Two
Jan. 4, 2011, 04:01 PM
In my opinion, there are much better dog foods out there for the same price as the Smartpak food. They use beet pulp as a cheap filler, which is great for a horse whose gutt is designed to be filled with bulk forage, but for a dog who is a carnivore? Eh, not so much. Cheap filler. They also use undisclosed "flavors" and cheap grains such as oats and barley. Dogs are not horses. They are not designed to eat grains and forage filler type products. They are carnivores.

I love Smartpak and buy just about everything from them but I think their dog food line is a huge thumbs down.

www.dogfoodanalysis.com (http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com) Pick a 5 or 6 star category food and go with that.

Of course the Smartpak food is a step up from junk like Pedigree and Iams, but is not worth the price they charge for it.

Taste of the Wild, Fromm, Innova, Blue Buffalo, Wellness..........there are plenty of foods out there that are significantly better than the LiveSmart line.

Edited to Add: I just looked at the specific formula you are interested in. In addition to the other cheap fillers, they include alfalfa meal and powdered cellulose. Neither of those are appropriate carnivorous foods. I would not feed that food to any of my dogs, if I had a choice in the matter.

Auventera Two
Jan. 4, 2011, 04:07 PM
He's a Lab who eats like a vaccuum cleaner though. Thanks!

We have one dog who inhales food without chewing and then vomits, gets horrendous gas, and is uncomfortable. For him we made our own "no bloat" bowl by placing a smaller bowl inside of a larger bowl. The smaller inner bowl is placed upside down (with the dome side up). When you pour in the food, it slides down between the two bowls and he has to lick it out with his tongue. It slowed him down so much that we had to train the other dogs to leave him alone so he could finish eating. It eliminated all the problems we had with him, and didn't cost a dime.

Phaxxton
Jan. 4, 2011, 04:11 PM
I haven't tried the SmartPak dog food, and I likely won't... I am not impressed with what I have read about it, though they don't seem too bad compared to most dog food.

I feed my dog Canidae All Life Stages (a 5-star rated feed on that web site the AP posted). It's around the same price as the SmartPak feed and MUCH better food. Check out those reviews and information on that web site. You'll be sure to find a better food, at a price you can afford.

FWIW, the kibble size of the Canidae is small. It's for all life stages (including puppy), so the kibble is sized accordingly.

ETA -- The SmartPak food is better than Purina and just about anything you'll get at a chain pet store... I just think there are better products out there. They certainly aren't "bad" foods.

evans36
Jan. 4, 2011, 04:39 PM
We have one dog who inhales food without chewing and then vomits, gets horrendous gas, and is uncomfortable. For him we made our own "no bloat" bowl by placing a smaller bowl inside of a larger bowl. The smaller inner bowl is placed upside down (with the dome side up). When you pour in the food, it slides down between the two bowls and he has to lick it out with his tongue. It slowed him down so much that we had to train the other dogs to leave him alone so he could finish eating. It eliminated all the problems we had with him, and didn't cost a dime.

Brilliant. I got one of those bowls with the pole things in the middle and it helped a little - until he just took his paw and knocked the thing over. We tried putting in rocks and he tried to eat them. I will be trying this and hopefully he'll get a few weeks in before he figures out how to knock this over too!

As far as the smartpak food - thanks for the input. I had seen the good reviews on the SP website and then nosed around a tiny bit and saw other good reviews on the internet - hadn't seen anything negative until now. Figures that it wouldn't be as good of a deal as the Wellness since it's cheaper.

A2 - what do you feed your dogs? Is kibble size an issue at all with your bloater? After trying a smaller-sized kibble food and seeing what happens, I'm really reluctant to go that route again, even with a magic bowl.

Auventera Two
Jan. 4, 2011, 04:55 PM
A2 - what do you feed your dogs? Is kibble size an issue at all with your bloater? After trying a smaller-sized kibble food and seeing what happens, I'm really reluctant to go that route again, even with a magic bowl.

Mine eat primarily Taste of the Wild - all flavor varieties except the new "Lamb" one, and the Fromm Four Star line - any of those flavors. We mix and switch things up every couple of bags so they don't get bored. And they eat Fromm cans - 1 can split between the 3 of them each night just for something yummy and exciting to look forward to.

All of the higher end foods have a very small kibble size. This is one difference between poor, low end foods, and high end premium foods. It seems like the more premium the food, the smaller the bite size is. :lol: I suspect it is cheaper and easier to manufacture large chunks of food rather than the tinier ones.

So of all the 4-6 star premium foods I've fed (In addition to the ones listed, I have also tried Wellness but they didn't like it, Chicken Soup, Innova, and several varieties of Nutro), the kibbles have all been roughly the same size - very small.

Mali
Jan. 4, 2011, 07:45 PM
Funny, these are the very first negative comments I've ever seen regarding the Smartpak dog food.

Here's a pretty positive unbiased review:

http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/livesmart-dog-food/

Also, the Whole Dog Journal approves the Smartpak food, so is that a load of crap? Are they not reputable?
I'm sure there are better choices, but there are ALOT worse choices as well. My lab loves the Livesmart food, and he's been raised on the puppy formula, and now is on the adult formula. I certainly have no reason to switch and am very pleased with the product. I don't do the individual servings, but purchase the 30lbs bags.
The kibble size is pretty darn small, about dime size.

Phaxxton
Jan. 4, 2011, 08:12 PM
I don't think they are terrible. I just think there are better foods for about the same price. I also don't care for beet pulp in dog food. Just a personal preference. They are certainly better than anything you can buy in Petco.

I also find it odd that SmartPak advertises them on their web site as "high protein" diets for dogs when all of the ones I have seen are lower protein as far as dogs are concerned (about 24%). That's not necessarily a bad thing. My doberman is intentionally on a below-average protein diet compared to most commercial feeds.

StGermain
Jan. 4, 2011, 09:27 PM
evans36 - have you thought about taking a cupcake pan (http://www.amazon.com/Farberware-52106-Nonstick-Bakeware-12-Cup/dp/B00008W70J/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1294194249&sr=8-1) and superglueing (or bolting) the pan to a piece of plywood? The way, your dog has to stand on the holder to get to the food, so he can't tip it over, and lick the food out of the cups.

StG

wildlifer
Jan. 4, 2011, 09:51 PM
I do get my dog food from SmartPak since I just get it shipped with my horse's supplements. I get the Wellness food though, I didn't want beet pulp, and it's fabulous stuff.

PiaffePlease
Jan. 4, 2011, 11:29 PM
I agree that you can get a better food for the same price. Several others posted great suggestions, Blue Buffalo, Innova, Taste of the wild, etc. I dont think that the smartpak food is bad, but there are better foods.

I love smartpak for everything else.

ETA: I feed my guy the Innova and they have a 'small bites' option. He has a slow down bowl too. Its similar to this:

http://www.smartpakcanine.com/ProductClass.aspx?productclassid=4655&cm_vc=Search

but I got a cheap one at Petsmart for under $10

Mary in Area 1
Jan. 5, 2011, 12:47 AM
Between the Dog Food Analysis site and the Whole Dog Journal, I'd take their advice over the posters here. I switched my dogs to the Livesmart brands and they are doing amazingly well! They have no more digestive upsets and their coats are gorgeous.

I think Smartpak has very good dog food, esp. for the price.

BetterOffRed
Jan. 5, 2011, 12:58 AM
Blue Buffalo! Great food. My dogs are at a perfect weight, healthy shiny coats. I don't make eye contact when people comment, 'wow, their coats are so shiny and clean." They just came from the barn, so not clean...but very shiney thanks to the food! heehee!

JWB
Jan. 5, 2011, 09:02 AM
IMHO Taste of the Wild is one of the best for the price. I love Orijen/Acana but they are to pricey for our SIX dogs. I also used Innova for a bit but we have a dog with a poultry allergy and another that could not adjust to the beef formula (too rich) and we got tired of buying two types of food. It was also confusing for our pet sitter, and if she made a mistake, the results were messy.

These days we stick with TOTW Salmon formula. Everyone tolerates it well. It is also grain free which makes the -um- output more compact so yard clean up is easier.

For a food bolter, try serving it floating in water. Not just moist - float the whole meal in water. Our little piggy dog destroyed her anti-bloat bowls. Now we just feed her 1/2 cup at a time, in a cup of water OR her meal comes in one of several treat dispensing contraptions so she has to work for it.

http://http://www.animalbehaviorassociates.com/toys-tug-a-jug.htm The Tug-A-Jug worked well till she chewed the rope off.

http://www.amazon.com/KONG-Genius-Extra-Large-Colors/dp/B003JVDV6W Current method of food intake slow down - but it only holds about a 1/2 cup and I need a funnel to load it.

http://www.arcatapet.com/item.cfm?cat=10572 Squirrel Dude was one of the best and had a long life. We just have not replaced him.

Edited to add - SmartPak dog food is not a "bad" food per se. It is just overpriced for what you are getting. It won't hurt your dog but it's sort of like paying for organic ground sirloin when your really getting ground chuck.

Auventera Two
Jan. 5, 2011, 10:34 AM
Between the Dog Food Analysis site and the Whole Dog Journal, I'd take their advice over the posters here. I switched my dogs to the Livesmart brands and they are doing amazingly well! They have no more digestive upsets and their coats are gorgeous.

I think Smartpak has very good dog food, esp. for the price.

Well bless your heart.

But as far as I can see, Dog Food Analysis does not have the SmartPak food on their site. If you've found it, please provide a link, because I cannot find it. And I know for a fact that the reviewers there do NOT appove of unidentified "flavorings" (which could be anything), powdered cellulose, and beet pulp in dog food. Those items usually land the food down in the 1-3 category somewhere.

I don't know what Whole Dog Journal is, but if they recommend a food which is slim on meat products and heavy on cheap fillers, I can't say I'd be terribly interested in their reviews anyway.

Yes, the Smartpak food would be better than the truly trash foods like Pedigree, Iams, Diamond, Science Diet, Alpo, etc. but for the $$$$, there are much better choices out there. You can buy top end, high premium foods for the same cost or only a tiny bit more.

Another thing is that SmartPak does not declare that their fish sources are ethoxyquin free, which isn't a HUGE deal because TOTW doesn't either. But some of the premium foods in that same price range do use only e-free fish sources.

And I also have a bit of a problem with them advertising their food as "high protein" when it's not. Protein levels in the 20s is not high. For example some of the Innova varieties are in the 40s, TOTW in the 30s, Orijen 40, etc.

Auventera Two
Jan. 5, 2011, 10:45 AM
They are certainly better than anything you can buy in Petco.

Not necessarily. I was just at Petco the other day and they carry several of the top end premium brands. (Blue Buffalo, Wellness, Before Grain, Canidae, etc.) I was really surprised to actually see that their aisle of Pedigree, Bil-Jac, and Iams had shrunk considerably. There were 3 aisles full of premium brands, and 1 aisle with junk food.

Now Petsmart is a different story ENTIRELY. Their dog food stock is 90% crap and they only carry a couple varieties of Wellness and I think that's it.

I hadn't been in a Petco in years but got a gift card for Xmas. I was pleasantly surprised!

ladybugred
Jan. 5, 2011, 11:29 AM
evans36- I used to soak my bolters food. You have to do it before every feeding, normal portion, pour over hot water, let soak and cool, just like beet pulp!! Even if they get it down quick, good luck with that, it's not hard kibble, sort of pre digested like soft food.

LBR

Desert Topaz
Jan. 5, 2011, 12:24 PM
Check to make sure there isn't citric acid in your dog's food if you're going to get it wet. It increases chances of bloat.

Phaxxton
Jan. 5, 2011, 12:29 PM
Not necessarily. I was just at Petco the other day and they carry several of the top end premium brands. (Blue Buffalo, Wellness, Before Grain, Canidae, etc.) I was really surprised to actually see that their aisle of Pedigree, Bil-Jac, and Iams had shrunk considerably. There were 3 aisles full of premium brands, and 1 aisle with junk food.

Now Petsmart is a different story ENTIRELY. Their dog food stock is 90% crap and they only carry a couple varieties of Wellness and I think that's it.

I hadn't been in a Petco in years but got a gift card for Xmas. I was pleasantly surprised!

Hmm, interesting! I guess all of the stores are different. I feed Canidae and I have never found it in any of the Petco stores near either of our homes... And I was in Petco yesterday. :lol: Most of what the stores near me carry is crap. I'm glad they aren't all that way. :)

Phaxxton
Jan. 5, 2011, 12:36 PM
Also, if you are soaking / wetting your dog's food to prevent bloat, make sure you are brushing their teeth regularly. :yes:

Cavan
Jan. 5, 2011, 10:04 PM
My Lab has done far better on the Smart Pak food then he did on the Canidae and a couple of others I tried (skin issues). I don't know where some of you shop, but at the stores in my area, Canidae and the other premium foods by the large bag are quite a bit more expensive than the portion controlled, fresh Smart Pak brand food.

Auventera Two
Jan. 6, 2011, 09:55 AM
My Lab has done far better on the Smart Pak food then he did on the Canidae and a couple of others I tried (skin issues). I don't know where some of you shop, but at the stores in my area, Canidae and the other premium foods by the large bag are quite a bit more expensive than the portion controlled, fresh Smart Pak brand food.

The TOTW that I feed is cheaper than the large bags of Smart Pak food. The Fromm is a few dollars more expensive.

Phaxxton
Jan. 6, 2011, 01:10 PM
My Lab has done far better on the Smart Pak food then he did on the Canidae and a couple of others I tried (skin issues). I don't know where some of you shop, but at the stores in my area, Canidae and the other premium foods by the large bag are quite a bit more expensive than the portion controlled, fresh Smart Pak brand food.

I can get a 35 lb bag of Canidae All Life Stages for anywhere from $40-50 depending on the store, even less if if I buy online PetFoodDirect is having a sale. (Right now, it's about $35 for a 35-lb bag there, so even with shipping to me it's about $47.) With a coupon at PetNetDirect.com a 35-lb bag costs me $44 including shipping. Also, my pet store has a special on Canidae where every 13th bag is free.

The LiveSmart Chicken and Brown Rice formula is $43.95 for a 30-lb bag. Plus shipping (though SmartPak frequently has free-shipping codes).

As an aside not related to the poster I quoted:

I'm not saying the SmartPak food is crap, nor am I saying I feed the best dog food on the planet. We all feed what works best for us. Formulas vary, even among premium dog food brands. What works for one dog doesn't work for another. Just because a dog does or doesn't do well on a food doesn't mean that another dog can't do great on it.

I just feel that for me, there are better dog food choices in the same price range. Others feel the same way about what I feed, I'm sure. To each his own.

Aggie4Bar
Jan. 6, 2011, 02:36 PM
Hmm, interesting! I guess all of the stores are different. I feed Canidae and I have never found it in any of the Petco stores near either of our homes... And I was in Petco yesterday. :lol: Most of what the stores near me carry is crap. I'm glad they aren't all that way. :)

It probably depends on the local market. The PetCo near me carries almost exclusively premium brands. There's only one aisle for the Nutro, Purina, Iams, etc. They've really stepped up to the plate with healthy treats, too. I feed grain-free (unless you have a severe sinus blockage, you don't want to be within a 1-mile radius of the TurboMutt if she's eaten any grain :dead:), and it's nice to have a variety of natural jerkies and freeze-dried treats to choose from.

Now PetSmart... that's a different story. They never have any of the good stuff.

evans36
Jan. 7, 2011, 11:27 AM
Well, I guess now I have a new decision to make!

My lab is itchy. He's currently getting Wild Salmon Oil as a top dressing on Authority Large Breed Weight Management Lamb & Rice. He's also, as I said before, a food bolter/bloater. Add to that his digestive issues - he has runny stool.

When he was a puppy and until about 2 years ago I had him on Nutro Natural Lamb & Rice Large Breed. Then I lost my job, and I couldn't quite afford Nutro Natural anymore, so he ate crap for a while.

I still am stretching to afford something more expensive, but he's itchy enough that he needs it. He doesn't have fleas (he's on sentinel, we've fogged the house, and he's had capstar. no fleas) but still continues to be itchy. This was controlled with salmon oil until he got fleas in October from the beach house where we stayed.

I'm thinking that instead of paying $20 every 6 weeks for salmon oil in addition to $35 for food, that I could just do the food instead and it would be a tiny bit more, but not itching is worth that.

I've tried bathing him with t-gel shampoo, etc as well.

So, gurus.... what feed do you recommend for an itchy lab who has firmer stool on the weight-management feed that I've tried (his weight is good, we just went with the less-rich food and it seemed to even things out for him digestively).

Side note, StGermain - EFFING BRILLIANT. I am going to try that muffin pan rig and see what happens!

Auventera Two
Jan. 7, 2011, 12:12 PM
I'm sure people get sick of hearing my itchy dog story....but....:lol:

One of my mutts had become so itchy and raw he was getting steroid injections and orally repeatedly. Didn't help. Vet gave us perscription shampoo, didn't help. Sprays, soaks, lotions, nothing helped. That poor mutt rubbed and itched himself so raw he had open sores on his head. Vet put him on Science Diet Z/D Ultra and he could not have ANY treats - not even a piece of cheese - nothing. For treats I would slice up the cans of Z/D and bake it in the oven til it was a hard rubbery texture. We did cortizone and prednizone. The dog ended up living with a cone on his head and even still he would flop down on the gravel or on the carpet and rub until his hair came out. He had bald patches.

I kept up with this nightmare for a whole year and he did NOT improve. His skin was peeling and flaking off and it was so gross I had to wash his bed every couple of days. You couldn't hardly pet him he was so gross, and it was embarassing to have people come over. I was really ashamed to admit I lived with that thing in my house.

Finally I said screw it and bought him the grain free Fromm and switched him over. The vet said NO, this was a terrible idea. He did NOT recommend it at all.

Well, it's what - like 5 years later now, and the dog has had no more problem.

Corn, wheat, and beet pulp are cheap fillers, and known allergens in dogs. From that point on I only bought the high end Fromm and eventually started buying Taste of the Wild also, and the dog has had no more problem. I had also made a point to choose a novel protein source instead of a food with the standard chicken and beef in it, as dogs commonly develop allergies to proteins they are accustomed to. His coat is glossy and shiny, healthy, and as another bonus, he has not had his anal glands expressed since, and that used to be an absolute necessity on a regular basis.

Aggie4Bar
Jan. 7, 2011, 12:54 PM
I'm thinking that instead of paying $20 every 6 weeks for salmon oil in addition to $35 for food, that I could just do the food instead and it would be a tiny bit more, but not itching is worth that.

PetCo usually has a PALS card price around $48 for a 28-lb bag of the grain-free Natural Balance. You could start there. They have that "buy 10, get one" deal if you buy 10 bags of the same brand within a 12-month time frame.

I alternate between NB and Wellness Core. I think the Core is around $52 for a 26-lb bag. Core contains chicken and turkey though, which are also fairly common allergens. In addition to opting out of grains for an itchy dog, I'd stay away from the common meat sources (beef, chicken, lamb) as well.

I wouldn't necessarily view the runny stools and itchiness as separate issues. Odds are high that when you fix whatever it is that causes him to itch, his digestive troubles will clear up as well. Unhappy tummies often go hand in hand with food allergies.

MistyBlue
Jan. 7, 2011, 02:14 PM
Finally I said screw it and bought him the grain free Fromm and switched him over. The vet said NO, this was a terrible idea. He did NOT recommend it at all.

Same exact thing happened with your cat. Health issues, SD prescribed by vet, almost killed cat, asked about switching to raw diet and vet told you no but you switched anyway and saved your cat's life.

And the same thing happpened 5 years earlier with a dog?

Seriously...you need new vets in your area. Sounds like there are dozens from the mutliple vet posts and not a single competent one in large or small animal practice.

Those statistics are scary.

evans36
Jan. 8, 2011, 02:56 PM
Update - I bought a small bag of Taste of the Wild this morning (to make sure he liked the food before I dropped $43). Fed his breakfast feeding subbing 1/4c TOTW for old food - dog actually chewed it more than I have ever seen him chew. So unexpected - I was planning to go to Target this afternoon and buy a muffin tin, but maybe the taste of the new one is better so it's not like he has to bolt it past his mouth or something... who knows? But I am looking forward to seeing improvement :) Thanks everyone!!

Cworthen12
Nov. 7, 2012, 05:48 PM
Hi Auventura Two. Good news, you [I]can[I] like SmartPak dog food too! As a veterinarian for nearly 15 years, I have always been taught (and am now teaching) that dogs are OMNIVOROUS, not carnivorous. In fact, they need a ratio of carbs to protein at 2 or 3:1! Beet pulp (especially without the sugar), oats and barley are terrific fillers! No, I do not work for the company, but have been doing a lot of research lately to not only teach my students appropriately, but also to see if I can find a food that I like as much as Royal Canin, that may be less expensive now that I am no longer living on a veterinarian's salary. I can't say I'm sold yet on SmartPak, I have a bit more research to do (like, where is there food made... It might be made in the same factory as Blue -not my favorite- or even Pedigree), but I'm hoping to find a food that has the same quality, proven ingredients, and evidence based research behind it as Royal Canin does (no, I don't work for them either). My point is, before you start bashing anything, food, company, person, make sure you have the FACTS to support you. Guess what? Corn is not the biggest cause of food allergies or sensitivities either, the food companies would just like to take advantage of the average consumers' lack of education on the subject. And finally, beware the food companies who practice "ingredient splitting" they are the ones with something to hide!

Zwarte
Nov. 7, 2012, 07:25 PM
My border collie used to scratch himself constantly when I fed him Nutro. When I switched to grain-free Taste of the Wild, he got so much better. I realize that one more anecdote does not make for good science but it is serves for my purposes.

Dogs are carnivores. Maybe not obligate carnivores - we have all seen our dogs eat other things. The family canidae is in the order Carnivora and a review of their teeth shows that they are adapted for flesh eating..

Stushica
Nov. 10, 2012, 03:55 PM
huh I find this thread interesting and I think I'll have my mom read it because they have an itchy dog who is usually on a very expensive "grain free" diet... except for friday night when I was horrified to see my dad feeding him potato chips (I know their not a grain but their not good for him either) :rolleyes:

Anyway, my dog has weight issues and always has, less than 2 cups a day for a 70lb dog :/ I "smartpack" his food myself along with his MSM, Glucosamine, Chondroitin, fish oil, CO Q10, and Jello. He's 4 and has had tendon surgery. ugh. To make my life easier he also has IBD (like mother like dog!) I had had him on a grain free blue buffalo, until I had a friend in vet school offer to get me science diet for practically free, not having a job I had to say yes. His poop has actually been good although he's not as shiny when I talked to my vet he basically said this...

"I'm not going to tell you exactly what to feed your dog because I don't monitor him every day the way you do, however I will say this, a higher fat content will make him shinier, but it's also hi-fat... not something he needs. So you have a choice do you want the shiny coat and risk him hurting himself again because he's too heavy? He then explained that just because something is thought to be "hypoallergenic" doesn't mean it's so, it may just mean less dogs are on it and therefore there are less reported allergic reactions."

so I was like okkkkk but science diet look just so crappy.... and he basically said..

"It may not be the absolute best quality food, however science diet and royal cannin make science diet and royal cannin, all of their food is quality checked and you know your not going to have a Salmonella or similar outbreak. Just because a food says it's grain or beef or chicken free doesn't mean it's not made on the same equipment that uses those ingredients, it's dog food I highly doubt the clean the machinery meticulously and you end up cross contaminating. like I said if it bothers you try something else but at least you know the science diet is safe and he's pooping pretty good"

I was like O.O holy cow... It still bothers me looking at the label but I haven't switched it....

Simkie
Nov. 10, 2012, 03:59 PM
"It may not be the absolute best quality food, however science diet and royal cannin make science diet and royal cannin, all of their food is quality checked and you know your not going to have a Salmonella or similar outbreak. Just because a food says it's grain or beef or chicken free doesn't mean it's not made on the same equipment that uses those ingredients, it's dog food I highly doubt the clean the machinery meticulously and you end up cross contaminating. like I said if it bothers you try something else but at least you know the science diet is safe and he's pooping pretty good"

Science Diet and Royal Canin have both had PLENTY of recalls. In fact, Royal Canin KILLED MY CAT with a food that was later recalled.

While I will feed Hills (Science Diet) if I have a critter with those specific needs, I will NEVER touch Royal Canin again.

My Two Cents
Nov. 10, 2012, 08:08 PM
Wow. This thread is almost 2 years old! Anyway my two cents. My daughter feeds Smart Pak dog food and really likes it. The dogs look good and one of them has had a history of allergies. It works well because the portion size is always the same. Her scoop is the same size as her husbands scoop now. It also works well having the serving size packets so when the dogs are here they are fed the same as at home. Our dogs go out in the field and pick their own corn and bring it to the yard to eat so I don't worry about corn in their diet.

The Crone of Cottonmouth County
Nov. 11, 2012, 10:44 AM
When last I looked, SmartPak dog food was made in China.

Zwarte
Nov. 11, 2012, 12:12 PM
Where that awful faux protein melamine (sp?) was used to adulterate dog food. Killed a bunch as I recall.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_protein_adulteration

Petstorejunkie
Nov. 11, 2012, 02:57 PM
Stushica, blue buffal has several grain free, lower fat options for your dog that will have the right omega balance to keep him shiny.
Look at wilderness weight control for higher protein (what my cat eats)
Or basics grain free turkey and potato. It's low in calories but designed for food sensitivities. There's also a basics weight control but it does have some healthy grains in there.

Sanely Eccentric
Nov. 11, 2012, 04:40 PM
When last I looked, SmartPak dog food was made in China.

I checked into various dog foods in the summer and Smartpak's dog food is made at a plant in Ohio.

Lori
Nov. 11, 2012, 11:07 PM
I also thought that Smartpak food used ingredients from China.
I use Wellness Simple and Lg Breed Puppy. I purchase my foods from PetFlow. Free shipping and lower prices than the store. That said, when I get coupons, I purchase from Petco.
I don't worry too much about the corn in foods. I live on a dairy farm, so avoiding corn is nearly impossible. The dogs love to snatch a bit here and there from in front of the cows. ;)

CobJockey
Nov. 12, 2012, 08:42 PM
My Huskies have been on Taste of the Wild for two years now, and their coats are better quality and I'm feeding less than I did on Purina. The cost actually evens out, since there's less filler and Huskies eat so little. I will say that the pre-packaged SmartPak dog food makes me look forward to babysitting my friends' Huskies - so much easier for the caretaker than measuring or baggies. Then again, that's how SmartPak made its money in the first place, so I shouldn't be surprised.

chancellor2
Nov. 14, 2012, 12:14 PM
Also, if you are soaking / wetting your dog's food to prevent bloat, make sure you are brushing their teeth regularly. :yes:

Care to explain why? Please don't tell me you think that chewing kibbles helps clean the tartar off their teeth.

Entourage
Nov. 14, 2012, 05:23 PM
I can't speak for SmartPak's dry food, but I get whole boxes of their wet food and it absolutely has "Made in Thailand" stamped on the box.