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S4zeus
Aug. 16, 2005, 05:19 AM
Who all is going? I will be doing my second recognized Novice run. The thought of dressage in the indoor scares me. Excited for cross country and stadium.

Anyone else? I know people have to be going. Its probably gonna be a scorcher.

S4zeus
Aug. 16, 2005, 05:19 AM
Who all is going? I will be doing my second recognized Novice run. The thought of dressage in the indoor scares me. Excited for cross country and stadium.

Anyone else? I know people have to be going. Its probably gonna be a scorcher.

Invested1
Aug. 16, 2005, 05:57 AM
Yah man, I'm in! Doing BN.
But again, shhhh, don't tell my horse---I want him to keep all his shoes on between now and then. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

colliemom
Aug. 16, 2005, 06:42 AM
I'll be there. I've never gone before so have no real expectations. We're doing Training, rather than Prelim, since we only did one event in April before a minor injury sidelined our season. This is hopefully our "low key, get back in the groove" event. We'll see... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Not sure what to expect about dressage in the indoor. We school indoors all the time, but that's OUR indoor, not some OTHER indoor! The last time we rode a dressage test in an indoor, we got the comment "Sympathetic ride on an overwhelmed horse." Gulp. Hope not to repeat THAT test, thank you very much!

Dr. Doolittle
Aug. 16, 2005, 07:02 AM
colliemom--I feel your pain! (It's always hard to get one's horse's attention in FPP's indoor; I have yet to achieve a relaxed dressage test on one of mine in there! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif)

I'll be taking my mare ("The Princess of Everything" http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif), and it will be her debut at Novice. (She's had 3 outings at recognized HTs at OBN this year, and is ready.)

I'll have 4 students riding--2 in BN and 2 in NR. (It should be a hectic weekend!)

I'll keep my eye out for Invested--who will be on foot, with her horse snoozing at home in his stall wink, wink! (SHHHH!!!) http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif Anyway, they at least do have a farrier on site for those "last-minute shoe issues..."

Let's hope the weather moderates a bit for us--yeesh! (It's been a rough summer...http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif)

2869
Aug. 16, 2005, 07:06 AM
Last year I took both my horses for their first trip away from home. My youngest had a FIT when he was in the indoor. I think it wasnt the indoor as much as the fact that he could no longer see any horses. So he screamed, bucked, almost knocked over the table the judge was sitting at, almost double barreled the jeep next to the table. And all this before going down the center line. We barely got a walk across the diagonal. To my pleasant surprise, we werent last after dressge! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
It was pretty warm and muggy that weekend but it was a lot of fun.

colliemom
Aug. 16, 2005, 07:16 AM
Well, at least everyone has to endure the same indoor. Makes it fair, I suppose. Are there flocks of pigeons inside? That was our biggest problem at Virginia. They were using the new indoor for the first time, it was deathly quiet, anyone who shifted their weight on the bleachers made a screeching sound, and then there were the pigeons..... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Anyone there just look for the two collies (one tri, one sable) and either I or Mr. Colliemom (colliedad??) will be attached.

2869
Aug. 16, 2005, 07:18 AM
Dont remember any pigeons, but its big and airy w/bleachers along one side. It's quite nice

Dr. Doolittle
Aug. 16, 2005, 08:08 AM
Yeah, there are pigeons... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif (Sometimes they're more of a "presence" than other times.) The roof is metal, and there are metal bleachers alongside (and metal fence enclosing the ring.) If your horse is sensitive to "random noises", it can be quite distracting--especially if there are "screaming children running around and banging on the bleachers"; always a hazard at Frying Pan, since it's a public park. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Lucy Eddins always judges the tests ridden in there, and likes to sit at a table on top of a large platform (I think it's a flatbed), with her Jeep parked off in the corner of the ring. If you have the rare horse who doesn't mind all this, you're in good shape! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

carolprudm
Aug. 16, 2005, 10:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 2869:
Dont remember any pigeons, but its big and airy w/bleachers along one side. It's quite nice </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I haven't been there in 20 years, did they get rid of the peacocks?
I rode my mare in her first test and the judge said I did a fantastic job of keeping her in the ring and remembering the test!

Carol Ames
Aug. 16, 2005, 10:09 AM
I think an especially difficult problem at Frying Pan is the lighting,which is through the skylights into the dark arena and produces bright areas onthe dirt, try to walk your horse through them, so , he knows it's alright, safe., just hope that in setting the ring, they did not not set it up so that that those areas t are on the center line http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif !

Carol Ames
Aug. 16, 2005, 10:17 AM
t was a lot of fun. do you mean the entire experience or before going down thecenter line http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif ?

Dr. Doolittle
Aug. 16, 2005, 10:17 AM
Carol's right; this especially becomes a problem in the afternoon, when the sun is at an angle! (At the River Bend CT in the spring, it caused a lot of refusals, since there was a "square sun patch" shining directly on one of the jumps...)

(And they still have the peacocks, but they are a good distance away--at Kidwell Farm, on the other side of the parking lot...you can sometimes still *hear* them, though! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif)

On a related note, has anyone gotten their most recent Eventing magazine? There's an article in it by Sally O'Connor (about the suitability of cross country questions posed by courses at the N and T Levels), and the pix used are of the water complex at the DRHT! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif (There is also a photo of the old BN water jump--but not the new one...)

Invested1
Aug. 16, 2005, 10:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dr. Doolittle:
Yeah, there are pigeons... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif (Sometimes they're more of a "presence" than other times.) The roof is metal, and there are metal bleachers alongside (and metal fence enclosing the ring.) If your horse is sensitive to "random noises", it can be quite distracting--especially if there are "screaming children running around and banging on the bleachers"; always a hazard at Frying Pan, since it's a public park. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Lucy Eddins always judges the tests ridden in there, and likes to sit at a table on top of a large platform (I think it's a flatbed), with her Jeep parked off in the corner of the ring. If you have the rare horse who doesn't mind all this, you're in good shape! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not sure how Tedi is with metal and bleachers and pigeons, but Lucy Eddins is the judge who wrote "Nice Horse!" on my last test. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Invested1
Aug. 16, 2005, 10:42 AM
Hey Dr. D---check your PTs. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

displacedyank
Aug. 16, 2005, 10:47 AM
Hey, not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but if your dressage is in the early afternoon, the xc runs right next to the dressage warm up. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Last time I was there, it certainly made for some interesting transitions. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

S4zeus
Aug. 16, 2005, 11:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dr. Doolittle:
On a related note, has anyone gotten their most recent Eventing magazine? There's an article in it by Sally O'Connor (about the suitability of cross country questions posed by courses at the N and T Levels), and the pix used are of the water complex at the DRHT! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif (There is also a photo of the old BN water jump--but not the new one...) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I noticed this too. They were kind of bashing it. It schools alright though. I will be going Novice. Look for me and my big Draft cross who goes by the name of Zeus. Black and White draft cross. You can't miss us. Hope to meet some people!

Dr. Doolittle
Aug. 16, 2005, 06:56 PM
Hey Invested--This is how it works, in my experience: if Lucy E likes your horse, you're golden (if she doesn't, you are "up sh$t's creek without the proverbial paddle!" http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif) (an aside--please send me your e-mail address so I can forward something to you--thanks!)

Yeah, the warm-up next to cross country is always fun--but consider it a challenge that will prepare you for trying to keep your horse's attention in the dressage ring, LOL! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
(Doesn't *always* work, but I'm trying to put a "positive spin" on it... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif)

S4Zeus--your horse sounds hard to miss! Which Novice Division are you in? I'm in ON, and two of my students are in NR--I'll have to keep an eye out for you!

Janet
Aug. 16, 2005, 07:25 PM
If you show under Lucy, she definitely likes a long, loose, rein for the free walk.

I have always found her very fair- with a wide variety of horses.

asterix
Aug. 16, 2005, 07:45 PM
Peacocks, schmeacocks...you all had better hope they get rid of the donkeys before the event!

I was schooling there a few weeks ago with a friend on a quiet Sunday. We were contemplating jumping the trakheners into the cow field, when suddenly we heard a donkey braying from the clump of trees just beyond the trakheners...

This was my horse: http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

So we thought, Oh, hmm, maybe not so much with the trakheners.
Went off and schooled around, came back to front field to walk out. Two girls came flying out at us over the white gate in the fence line, shrieking and laughing....their horses were being CHASED by not one but TWO donkeys, who charged right up to the gate and stood there looking like, well, two peeved donkeys.

We laughed so hard -- and I can only imagine what would have happened if we'd jumped in, only to have two wound up donkeys run after us. I would probably still be in a cast.

Dr. Doolittle
Aug. 16, 2005, 08:43 PM
Yeah, the donkeys--holy crap! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
(I ran into them about 3 or 4 weeks ago while schooling there with a student...her mom chased one into the adjacent field, but the other refused to leave the cow field--he was a young one, with his er..."equipment" still intact, and was very curious. We let my student's horse "meet" this donkey over the white gate, but then after she jumped her horse into the cow field, we spent most of our time chasing him away from her horse, who he apparently thought was his new "friend" http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif--he kept trying to get right up to my student's horse's barrel, and said horse was understandably *alarmed* http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif, so kept skittering away--mom and I, wielding sticks and yelling "Hyah!", were able to keep him at bay long enough to enable my student to jump a few things in there and then escape back over the white gate...the donkey spent a good while afterward standing with his head over the gate, looking longingly in our direction and braying! What an experience! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

(They were gone the next time I went over there a couple of weeks later, and will of course not be anywhere nearby for the HT--thank goodness!)

Let's just hope that the horses who got to experience "the donkeys in the cow field" will forget about them, come cross country time... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Janet
Aug. 16, 2005, 08:44 PM
Unless they have changed it, the Trakhener is designed to be jumped OUT of the cow field, not INTO it.

asterix
Aug. 17, 2005, 04:30 AM
Janet --
we didn't get close enough to find out -- we were just eyeing it from far away when we heard the donkey and changed our mind. The girls coming out were jumping the white gate further along that same fence line...

Invested1
Aug. 17, 2005, 05:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dr. Doolittle:
Hey Invested--This is how it works, in my experience: if Lucy E likes your horse, you're golden (if she doesn't, you are "up sh$t's creek without the proverbial paddle!" http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heh, wouldn't that be great?! Though I must admit that Ted was on his best behaviour at our last HT--who knows if that'll continue. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Janet
Aug. 17, 2005, 07:31 AM
I just don't buy it (about Lucy liking or not liking horses). People say "she only likes warmbloods" (I don't have ANY warmbloods) becuase they don't understand what she is looking for.

Especially at the lower levels, Lucy likes forward, and she likes relaxed. "Balanced" is not QUITE as important. If you have to chose between losing some forwardness and relaxation in order to balance, or being a little on the forehand, but staying forward and relaxed, go with the latter. With some other judges, I would say go with the former.

But she does NOT base her score on whether she "likes" or "doesn't like" the horse!!!!

Invested1
Aug. 17, 2005, 08:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Janet:
I just don't buy it (about Lucy liking or not liking horses). People say "she only likes warmbloods" (I don't have ANY warmbloods) becuase they don't understand what she is looking for.

Especially at the lower levels, Lucy likes forward, and she likes relaxed. "Balanced" is not QUITE as important. If you have to chose between losing some forwardness and relaxation in order to balance, or being a little on the forehand, but staying forward and relaxed, go with the latter. With some other judges, I would say go with the former.

But she does NOT base her score on whether she "likes" or "doesn't like" the horse!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just an aside--my boy is a TB. And again, he was really, really good that day--I walked out of the test saying I didn't care how we placed because the test felt good!! I did REALLY enjoy the "nice horse" comment though. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And we did have a couple comments on loss of balance....

EvntRydr
Aug. 17, 2005, 09:22 AM
Greetings all! Another fun August DRT trip to be made. Wish and I are eager and after our brilliant dressage lesson with Dr. D yesterday I'm feeling VERY confident.

I had to laugh when reading the comments about Lucy E. I have ridden for her many times. My last time was at DRHT in May. Wishes and I put in one of the most solid, pleasant, elegant tests we have ever done. I left the ring feeling like a superstar (rare for me in dressage) and tickled with Wishes doing so lovely.

Upon departure from the ring I was greeted by my coach and others who raved about how lovely it had been and how well we had done. On video replay everything looked really good. Imagine my surprise to then find out I was placed 12th out of 14 after dressage.

Now Wishes is no Bretina, but he sure did a nice job that day and definately deserved a better score then he got (almost 20 points out of 1st). I was pretty unhappy. I will say that others who were there were floored by the results too...

One of the hardest things to overcome when competing with her is the enormous spread of points. Once you are that far out (20 points) its pretty hard to overcome. EGADS!

However, eventing for us is all about having fun, doing our best, and surviving it all. Needless to say, I plug on, continue to work hard on dressage and increase my knowledge base. Hopefully she will like Wishes and I more this time around...

Barn Cat
Aug. 17, 2005, 11:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Janet:
I just don't buy it (about Lucy liking or not liking horses). People say "she only likes warmbloods" (I don't have ANY warmbloods) becuase they don't understand what she is looking for.

Especially at the lower levels, Lucy likes forward, and she likes relaxed. "Balanced" is not QUITE as important. If you have to chose between losing some forwardness and relaxation in order to balance, or being a little on the forehand, but staying forward and relaxed, go with the latter. With some other judges, I would say go with the former.

But she does NOT base her score on whether she "likes" or "doesn't like" the horse!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had an Arab I showed under her at novice and training and she really liked him so I completely agree with your view on Lucy's judging. Sally O'Connor even liked him at prelim giving us nice marks and comments.

Carol Ames
Aug. 17, 2005, 03:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Hey Invested--This is how it works, in my experience: if Lucy E likes your horse, you're golden (if she doesn't, you are "up sh$t's creek without the proverbial paddle!" ) (an aside--please send me your e-mail address so I can forward something to you--thanks!) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
you r so right! so, sounds as if you should be ok trough the dressage, but,watch forthe "longyears" great story! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Carol Ames
Aug. 17, 2005, 03:11 PM
What timedoesXC start, and, end? I might try toget Metro Access rtotake me, though sittingout in the sun does not sound inviting, and , I will have NO Neil to shepherd me aeround!

Dr. Doolittle
Aug. 17, 2005, 06:29 PM
Don't know yet, Carol--Steve doesn't have the times up (now watch--I'll go check the DRPC website and there they'lle be http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif), but you can either check the website, or as soon as we get them I'll post on here and let you know...(Good luck with your transportation!)

S4zeus
Aug. 18, 2005, 06:39 PM
Lucy Eddins LOVED my horse in our very first walk/trot intro test. She gave us a 29.5 with nothing but good things to say. Since we have been showing beginner novice and above, more times then not showing under her, we have not received any better than a 39.5 I can't say it is all her, because his canter is really heavy, but it is kind of disappointing not to hear any other feedback. She gives me the same comments everytime. I wish I could get some different feedback.

Flycatcher
Aug. 18, 2005, 08:14 PM
Every time I have ridden for Lucy, she's been very fair in her marks and comments. We usually get a proverbial "Cute Horse!" but in addition to a variety of good, constructive comments.
I haven't been eventing very long, but most of the comments and marks on my dressage tests have been pretty accurate and fair, no matter who is judging. Some of the judges are tougher than others, but you just go in and do the best you can!

Janet
Aug. 18, 2005, 08:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">She gives me the same comments everytime. I wish I could get some different feedback. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
If you want to get different comments, you need to CHANGE soemthing about the way you ride the test.

S4zeus
Aug. 19, 2005, 10:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Janet:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">She gives me the same comments everytime. I wish I could get some different feedback. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
If you want to get different comments, you need to CHANGE soemthing about the way you ride the test. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This I understand completely. It is very difficult to get a different ride out of my horse. All her comments are on our canter. He is heavy. She tells me to demand more of him. It is very difficult to DEMAND anything out of my horse. But I do try. I have committed myself to a month of dressage leading up to Difficult Run. I will jump the week before but not until then. I know he can jump, the dressage is where our difficulties lie.

2Traks
Aug. 19, 2005, 11:30 AM
Asterix -

My 2 Traks lived with a donkey named Wilma for a few years. The first few days were http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif but after that they were http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif with her. Should have seen their faces the first time they heard her. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

colliemom
Aug. 19, 2005, 12:04 PM
Does anyone know of hotels in the area that accept pets? I've tried several that are listed in the Omnibus -- even chains that tradionally DO allow pets like Comfort Inn -- and so far I'm coming up empty. Help!!!

Janet
Aug. 19, 2005, 12:08 PM
I THINK tehre is a Red Roof Inn in Manassas, and they usually accept pets.

colliemom
Aug. 19, 2005, 12:11 PM
THANK YOU!!! Just found the website and they do indeed accept "one well behaved family pet" ... maybe they won't count?

About how far is it from FPP?

2Traks
Aug. 19, 2005, 12:16 PM
I was going to suggest RRI also. They've always let me keep my Rott and Min Pin there when we're on trips. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Dr. Doolittle
Aug. 20, 2005, 08:07 AM
Didn't mean to open up the proverbial "can of worms", but I just wanted to clarify re: Lucy E...During my (pretty long) experience observing her judging (including of me, students, friends, etc.), I have noticed that she has the tendency to create a large point differential within the same division at HTs--more so than any other judge (that I've observed) on a regular basis. (*Often* there will be 20-25 points between first and last, not *sometimes*.) This would seem to indicate that "if she likes you, she REALLY likes you", and conversely, "if she doesn't like you"...well...let's put it this way: you will *not* be able to move up enough to place after the jumping phases http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
IOW, she will "reward" what she likes to see by giving it *really* good scores...here are just a couple of quick examples: Comments made by a friend after her Novice test in was scored in the 20's by Lucy: "He was good, but he wasn't THAT good!!" And she rolled her eyes. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
OTOH, if Lucy is not happy with the way the horse goes, expect a score in the 40's, even when the horse has some nice moments. (A horse--not a "dressage specialist", mind you http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif--who regularly scores "X" under *all* other judges at Recognized HTs, scored *worse* than "X" after performing his best test ever for Lucy--this particular test was probably 20-30% better than the ones that scored in the same ballpark--or scored better--under a number of other judges...)
I could give other examples, but that's the general gist...
Anyway, Janet is right, she does prefer a forward, relaxed test--and will reward it (maybe excessively? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif), but ultimately, the *only* way to get consistently better dressage scores (under ANY judge) is by simply improving your dressage http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif
Dressage judging IS subjective, however, so always keep that in mind. If your horse is improving OVERALL as time goes by, the opinions of a particular judge on a particular test on a particular day shouldn't be cause for despair...

Okay, Steve--so where are the times?? (He's usually gotten them out by now, and as a result, we are spoiled http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif)

S4zeus
Aug. 20, 2005, 03:59 PM
TIMES ARE POSTED!

Dr. Doolittle
Aug. 20, 2005, 05:40 PM
OOO-OOO!!
Please let me know what link you're using--when I go on the regular DRHT website, all I get is the "latest" update from Aug. 4th! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Eeeesh!!
(Thanks for any assistance! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

Janet
Aug. 20, 2005, 07:04 PM
Times are here.
http://drpc.ponyclub.org/timesinfoht.htm

Janet
Aug. 20, 2005, 07:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by S4zeus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Janet:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">She gives me the same comments everytime. I wish I could get some different feedback. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
If you want to get different comments, you need to CHANGE soemthing about the way you ride the test. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This I understand completely. It is very difficult to get a different ride out of my horse. All her comments are on our canter. He is heavy. She tells me to demand more of him. It is very difficult to DEMAND anything out of my horse... </div></BLOCKQUOTE> remember that "demand" doesn't mean "use the same signals "louder". it means try a different approach and timing.

Dr. Doolittle
Aug. 20, 2005, 08:45 PM
Especially in the case of a mare!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

(And thanks for the link to the times... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

Invested1
Aug. 22, 2005, 06:56 AM
Wow, gonna be a looonng day---big lag time b/w phases.....

Dr. Doolittle
Aug. 22, 2005, 03:33 PM
Hey Invested,

I'm assuming that you didn't get a stall?? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif (I always do at DRHT for just that reason--it's expensive, but boy is it worth it when you need a place to "park" the horse--and tack!)

S4zeus
Aug. 22, 2005, 10:42 PM
Not to mention the stall is nice for the horses because you can hook fans up. Makes the day more comfortable!

Invested1
Aug. 23, 2005, 05:27 AM
Nope---didn't even think about it. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

Irish Momma
Aug. 29, 2005, 04:18 AM
Are the results posted anywhere for this HT? Was there a photographer there?

TIA http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Invested1
Aug. 29, 2005, 05:17 AM
I don't know if the results are posted anywhere.

There was a photographer!! Can't wait to get my shots back! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Other than being rained on most of the day, it was great fun!!

Janet
Aug. 29, 2005, 05:48 AM
Results are here.Aug 05 results (http://drpc.ponyclub.org/resultsaug05.htm)

Dr. Doolittle
Aug. 29, 2005, 07:48 AM
Boy, Steve & Company are fast! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Irish Momma
Aug. 29, 2005, 08:42 AM
Anyone have the Photographer's name and contact
info.. Thx

S4zeus
Aug. 29, 2005, 10:49 AM
The photographer was GRC Photography. They usually get proof sheets sent out rather quickly. They take good pictures. If you search they do have a website, but they don't post any photos online.

S4zeus
Aug. 29, 2005, 11:00 AM
So how did everyone do? I had a "respectable" dressage test, for us. If I would learn to relax we may get better scores. But the comments were GREAT! We had a clean cross country well within the time, (despite my lack of a watch) http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif good boy for knowing how fast to go! lol. I let him pick his speed. Show Jumping we pulled a stupid first rail. He was lazy with his front end and pulled it hard, he then proceeded to jump me almost out of the tack at number two. We had the rest of the course clear with only the 1 rail. But of course that 1 rail cost me the lovely brown ribbon! lol. We finished 9th out of 18. I will take it! I was very proud of my boy. He was awesome cross country. Jumped everything right out of stride.

OK so lets hear everyone elses stories!

Janet
Aug. 29, 2005, 11:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">But the comments were GREAT! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Were the comments DIFFERENT from before?

Congratulations on your good go.

S4zeus
Aug. 29, 2005, 11:41 AM
The comments were similar but a little more specific. She wrote at the end of the test in the collective marks, that "he is a lovely and obliging horse, but at this stage he needs you to hold him together more."

He was a little looky in the indoor. When he gets hollow and fast I have a tendancy to just want to hang on to his mouth and try to "pull his head down onto the bit" I know this is wrong but I can't relax enough to try and push him up to me. I can do it at home, but at the events the only thing that stresses me out is dressage.

Janet
Aug. 29, 2005, 11:48 AM
It sounds to me as if you need to get yourselves to some schooling dressage shows!

FlowerPower
Aug. 29, 2005, 11:58 AM
My horse was very good - 32.5 in dressage, one rail, clean xc. We had an incident in the morning though when the pigs got loose and congregated right behind our trailer. My poor ponies thought the gates of hell had opened up to take them off... those pigs make some freaky noises!! The parking guy came over and waved his flag at them to keep them off the xc course - some very lucky people have no idea how close they came to that kind of chaos! However, the waving flag did nothing to sooth my horses' minds!!

Invested1
Aug. 29, 2005, 01:15 PM
My HT was awesome--Tedi was a rockstar. After our dressage test (which I thought was 'eh') we were in 4th place (out of 17), and even got the comment "handsome horse with a lot of potential." http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Went clean xc and within time. Then in stadium, we landed on the right lead after an in-and-out but had to make a sharp turn to the left. I just couldn't get there---he's too big and being on the wrong lead, that turn was just not happening. Totally forgot that in the jumper world I could break to a trot--that would've worked. So, I chose to circle the jump, get my lead change and re-attack. Unfortunately we picked up 4 time faults (but thankfully it was apparent that I made the decision not to jump, so they did not call it a refusal), which dropped us into 6th (without that, we would've finished 3rd). But, for our first recognized HT and only our 3rd BN event ever, I am still really happy with how we did. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Janet
Aug. 29, 2005, 01:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">So, I chose to circle the jump, get my lead change and re-attack. Unfortunately we picked up 4 time faults (but thankfully it was apparent that I made the decision not to jump, so they did not call it a refusal) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually you benefittede from a quirk in the rules, and the fact that you CIRCLED THE JUMP, rather than circling in front of the jump.

In Show Jumping, it doesn't make ANY DIFFERENCE whether or not you made the DECISION "not to jump".

What the rule says is
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">3. DISOBEDIENCES.
a. The following are considered as disobediences and are penalized as such (Rule
EV147.1):
(1) a corrected deviation from the course;
(2) a refusal;
(3) a run-out;
(4) a resistance;
(5) a more or less regular circle or group of circles no matter where they occur on
the course or for whatever reason (except under 3.b(1) below);
b. Notwithstanding the above, the following are not considered to be disobediences:
(1) circling around the last obstacle jumped or the next obstacle to be jumped;
(2) circling for up to 45 seconds after a run-out or a refusal (no matter whether the
obstacle has to be rebuilt or not) to get into position to jump an obstacle; </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Invested1
Aug. 29, 2005, 02:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Janet:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">So, I chose to circle the jump, get my lead change and re-attack. Unfortunately we picked up 4 time faults (but thankfully it was apparent that I made the decision not to jump, so they did not call it a refusal) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually you benefittede from a quirk in the rules, and the fact that you CIRCLED THE JUMP, rather than circling in front of the jump.

In Show Jumping, it doesn't make ANY DIFFERENCE whether or not you made the DECISION "not to jump".

What the rule says is
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">3. DISOBEDIENCES.
a. The following are considered as disobediences and are penalized as such (Rule
EV147.1):
(1) a corrected deviation from the course;
(2) a refusal;
(3) a run-out;
(4) a resistance;
(5) a more or less regular circle or group of circles no matter where they occur on
the course or for whatever reason (except under 3.b(1) below);
b. Notwithstanding the above, the following are not considered to be disobediences:
(1) circling around the last obstacle jumped or the next obstacle to be jumped;
(2) circling for up to 45 seconds after a run-out or a refusal (no matter whether the
obstacle has to be rebuilt or not) to get into position to jump an obstacle; </div></BLOCKQUOTE> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh wow, thanks for that! Honestly, I had no idea---was just kind of thinking of the fly as I did it. Though I did have 2 or 3 random people tell me that it was a "good decision."
Not worth getting hurt over.

porklet
Aug. 29, 2005, 08:22 PM
So how was the BN Championship? Was it fun ? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif My friend went and I didn't hear how it was yet....and whether it was fun -- heard it was raining all day?

cjmicro
Aug. 30, 2005, 05:10 AM
I rode in ON, was worried about riding against the "pros". I'm such a NR, not an ON!! LOL

It rained most of the day on Sat., but was blissfully COOL because of it. And I got lucky and did not have rain during my test.

The rain also improved the footing, although the SJ ring was pretty sloppy with a big puddle earlier on Sun. morning. Dried out nicely by the time I rode in the afternoon. XC footing was pretty darn good, considering I have heard it can get hard.

I had a 35 in dressage (along with about 80% of my whole division, ties all over the place). Then went clean/clean, and ended up clinching my place because I was closest to Opt. ONE second under!! I took a wrong turn after fence 2 and found myself facing some huge triple step down... OOPS... so whipped around and got back on track. That was probably what helped me get so close!!

I had a great time, and ended up in 4th, finishing on my dressage. Opus hasn't been in the ring in almost 2 years, so I was very pleased. The old man is better than ever.

I would definitely go back. Stalls are small, but horse friendly, and we had a great group of people--lots of fun! Rings are nice, and the course is different... kind of twisty turny, but fun, and I even made time on Mr. Slowpoke.

I probably saw a bunch of you there, but have no idea because I don't come on this board much, and don't know names (except of course colliemom!) I am the short chunky one with short brown hair, who talks to EVERYONE! Big red horse whom I was frequently hugging and patting all weekend http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Cheryl & Opus

Dr. Doolittle
Aug. 30, 2005, 07:47 AM
Cheryl, you were my competition, and you were the one who beat me out for 4th place in the ON division--how funny you posted! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif (Yes, she was very friendly, and stuck up a conversation with me since our horses were stabled just a few stalls apart. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif We talked about the cross country times, and about how close all the scores were--I didn't realize she was the one who took the "detour" around the steps! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif Opus seemed like quite a nice horse, very sweet, and never put a foot wrong anywhere, from what I could see...)

My mare (coming back from having strained her back playing in the field 10 days prior, and having had "a team of professionals", including me--rehabbing her night and day since then) was wonderful--she had her *best dressage test ever* (in her "proud mom's" opinion), and wound up with a 35, though I thought (as did about 4 or 5 other observers) that it should have been several points lower...she has gotten better scores with worse tests--consistently!--in the past... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif (Oh, well--that's dressage judging...coincedentally, the ONLY other time I've felt that my score should've been better--on this horse--was when I was riding under this very same judge; so, if I ride under her again, I will have to A) ride my best test ever, and B) prepare to be philosophical! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif) Anyway, I was delighted with her, and that's what counts...She was double clear and double clear in the jumping, and jumped the crap out of the stadium and cross country courses (what sore back?), though she was a little "forward thinking" after two weeks of not jumping http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. We wound up in a 3 way tie for 4th with Cheryl and one of Jen Simmons' horses, and since Cheryl was only 1 second off optimum (can't beat that! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif), we were 5th, after being 13 seconds off optimum. All in all, for my girl's first Novice outing, it was a big success, and I'm hugely proud of her. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

My students did well, too--I had 5 of them competing http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif, so felt like the proverbial one-armed paperhanger, and was running around all weekend trying to coach them and at least see *most* of their phases. (By the time I did my jumping on Sunday, I was worn to a frazzle!)
One of them was tied for second in OBN after finishing on her dressage score of 31.5 (Lucy LOVES her horse http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif, since she said it wasn't her greatest test--I didn't get to see it, unfortunately...), and lost the tie-breaker by 4 seconds in cross country--she came in at 4:13, and the other rider came in at 4:17--so she was 3rd.

One of my other BN riders was Invested (but since I've just started teaching her, I can't take credit!), but she (and her horse) did a great job at her first ever Recognized HT! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

My final BN rider has been having some problems with her horse lately, but she rode him very well, and got him over the CC with sheer will and determination--alas, he just decided that he did NOT like the looks of the final oxer on Stadium http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

My 2 Novice students both placed; one of them was in 4th after dressage with a 30.5, was clean CC, but had a rail in stadium (that darn first fence that was a bugaboo for many--it was coming down all day!), so wound up 4th in the other ON division. (she would have been 2nd without the rail--but she was pleased with her mare's performance because she's going to the AEC, so was using this as her final prep....)

The final Novice rider was Evntrydr, who had her best score ever under Lucy E--a 38.5 (Lucy was feeling magnanimous on Sunday http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif), and had a clean (and awesome) CC--and despite the fact that her horse lost a shoe before stadium (so she had to be moved to the end of the start order while the farrier put another one on) had a clean stadium, though with one time fault, since she went around the fence at the top of the ring (instead of inside it)...she yelled her horse over the last 2 or 3 fences, so perhaps S4Zeus remembers her round, since she was in the same division! I saw part of Zeus's round too (he's hard to miss, with his unique coloring and the blue eye!) Anyway, she wound up 7th in the division.

The scores were very close in many of the divisions, which made it all quite exciting, right up until the end!

Invested1
Aug. 30, 2005, 10:42 AM
Just put some pix in my webshots album. Look under the "Difficult Run Horse Trial" album and let me know what you think!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
(BTW, I am not asking for riding critiques! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif)

Invested1
Aug. 30, 2005, 11:09 AM
Question---if we had a "perfect entry" and we're told we'd get a $20 refund, how/when do we do that??

Janet
Aug. 30, 2005, 11:21 AM
Invested,

Usually, if you have a "perfect entry", they give you a $20 bill when you pick up your packet.

If you didn't get it, email steve s.

bornfreenowexpensive
Aug. 30, 2005, 01:06 PM
Invested--looks like a really cute horse!

Dr. Doolittle
Aug. 30, 2005, 01:16 PM
Nice pix--Tedi looks great! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif (I had forgotten how wet it was on Saturday! Hopefully the GRC folks got some good jumping shots...)
Yeah, Janet's right--Steve should have given you the refund when you got your packet. (It's nice to get cash back--you can go buy dinner with it! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif) I'm sure he'll send you a check, though, if you bring it to his attention...
I'm jealous of the fact that you apparently got a WHOLE CARROT with your ribbon! By the time we were picking ours up on Sunday afternoon, all that were left were carrot *pieces*, and they were a little rubbery by that time ("The Princess" took hers rather reluctantly, as if to say: "THIS is my reward?!?" http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif)

Invested1
Aug. 31, 2005, 06:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bornfreenowexpensive:
Invested--looks like a really cute horse! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah thanks! Yah, he's a good boy (generally)! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Invested1
Aug. 31, 2005, 10:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dr. Doolittle:
Nice pix--Tedi looks great! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif (I had forgotten how wet it was on Saturday! Hopefully the GRC folks got some good jumping shots...)
Yeah, Janet's right--Steve should have given you the refund when you got your packet. (It's nice to get cash back--you can go buy dinner with it! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif) I'm sure he'll send you a check, though, if you bring it to his attention...
I'm jealous of the fact that you apparently got a WHOLE CARROT with your ribbon! By the time we were picking ours up on Sunday afternoon, all that were left were carrot *pieces*, and they were a little rubbery by that time ("The Princess" took hers rather reluctantly, as if to say: "THIS is my reward?!?" http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heh, the poor Princess--she definitely deserved a full carrot! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Dr. Doolittle
Aug. 31, 2005, 03:10 PM
Does anyone know where the GRC photographers were stationed (as in near which jumps) on Cross Country?? (I didn't see them, but there were a lot of people "milling about"...on a still green horse, I was having to concentrate primarily on HER when approaching jumps! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif)

cjmicro
Sep. 1, 2005, 04:01 AM
Wow what a small "internet world". Funny to see you here (Mara right??) You guys did great. I didn't realize it was your mare's first novice! Opus has done a few novices but we don't compete much. It had been 2 years since he was at a HT, so I was very pleased.

As far as the $20 someone asked about, they gave us ours as we checked in to pick up our packets.

The phototgraphers got tons of shots from dressage (could I SLOUCH anymore??) and stadium (woohoo!) but they didn't have the xc ready yet when I went. My friend got hers but I don't remember what jumps. They said they would send a proof sheet out. Wish they had them online.

Nice to have met you, good luck with the rest of your season and students!

Cheryl

Invested1
Sep. 1, 2005, 09:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dr. Doolittle:
Does anyone know where the GRC photographers were stationed (as in near which jumps) on Cross Country?? (I didn't see them, but there were a lot of people "milling about"...on a still green horse, I was having to concentrate primarily on HER when approaching jumps! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think they mainly took pix of the jumps in the open field.

Dr. Doolittle
Sep. 1, 2005, 04:58 PM
Hey Cheryl,

Yeah, it's a small "COTH world" out there! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
(I'm not Mara--I'm Lee--though I usually don't divulge my identity on this board on by using my "real name", LOL! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif)

Yeah, my mare is pretty green to eventing--this is really her first year (I don't really count one First Timers at Foxcroft in April of last year), and she had 3 BNs under her belt before DRHT. (She's ready for Novice, and has schooled a lot of bigger stuff this spring and summer--had no problem with it--I have made sure she was *thoroughly* prepared! Anyway, I was very proud of her. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

When is your next HT? I'm going to Middleburg later this month (along with two of my students...) You and Opus didn't look too rusty for having had two years off--congrats! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Invested, I'm hoping they had a photographer at one of the bigger jumps in the cow field for Novice on Sunday--those would have been the best "photo ops!"

cjmicro
Sep. 4, 2005, 10:11 AM
Lee (Dr. Doolittle I mean!!)

Were you not the one with blonde hair stabled down from me with your husband there, and the chestnut mare?? If not, I am not picturing you, so refresh my memory! If so, sorry I obviously got the name wrong! (duh)

I am going to the ATC in New Jersey next (ESDCTA Oct. 15). I used to live in NJ, and am very excited to come back up for this HT. Hopefully Opus' old owner will come out and watch, she'll be so excited to see him go (CLEAN hopefully LOL).

Good luck at Middleburg! We don't do too many horse trials, just a couple a year at most.

See you soon!
Cheryl

Abbey_Normal
Sep. 4, 2005, 11:04 AM
speaking of traks and donkeys. Last year we had two nice trak babies come in t othe farm. One has passed away from colic but thats not the point.

We had an ANCIENT pig. Whom is now also dead. But at that time she was our ticket to winning at schooling shows. She would wander out to the trailers and walk by all of those highstrung warmbloods and FREAK them OUT!

WEll she walks over to the fillies and they gave the biggest start EVEr. THe took one look . Kind of puffed up and swung around on their haunches and RAN!

It was extremely funny to see this old blind pig that can barley waddle frighten these babies so badly.

Ana

Dr. Doolittle
Sep. 4, 2005, 04:03 PM
Hey Cheryl,

Yup, your description was accurate--that was me--and my "team" http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
Good luck at New Jersey, and keep posting on the board...who knows--we may meet again! (And I hope Opus' old owner comes out to watch you at your HT--my mare's former owner/breeder may come out to Middleburg to watch "The Princess" go...Of course that always puts the pressure on to do well! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif)

That's a funny story about the pig--what is it about pigs that terrifies horses so?? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

cjmicro
Sep. 5, 2005, 04:42 AM
How embarrassing, I thought your name was Mara!! What's your horse's name?

My neighbor has pigs, and the horses hate the smell. Most all horses get agitated when we have to go past there. I've taken the horses up to SEE the pigs and that doesn't seem to bother them. I guess it's the smell!!

Cheryl

Dr. Doolittle
Sep. 5, 2005, 08:54 AM
Hey Cheryl--
My horse's show name is "Hope Springs Eternal"...(Her registered name is Art Nouveau, but she's called Vo, Vo-ee, Ms Vo, "The Princess", "My Angel", or "Mare!!" http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif around the barn--depending on my mood--and hers! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif)

camouflage
Sep. 5, 2005, 12:19 PM
I'm a little late with this because I've been out of town, but I want to respond to some of the comments about Lucy Eddins' judging. I've known her for a long time, and I know this about her: Yes, she likes warmbloods. She also likes Arabians, Thoroughbreds, Morgans, Quarter Horses, etc., etc. In short, she likes horses, and as long as they move well, have good manners and are ridden correctly they'll get good scores. She uses all the numbers, starting at 10 and working down. She is very fair and very consistent, and doesn't care who you are or what you did the last time she saw you. In fact, she probably doesn't remember what happened the last time she saw you!

Dr. Doolittle
Sep. 5, 2005, 03:12 PM
Yes, I agree--Lucy *does* like a variety of different types of horses; she doesn't have a "favorite type". She also uses the full range of scores. In my experience (and the experience of others), she tends to reward forward, and would rather see a forward-going horse (and one with bigger gaits), and may "excuse" the fact that said horse is *not yet* completely submissive or supple or "round". (And she will "reward" it with better scores, and "look the other way" at some things in the test that other judges might not, in those cases...) The issue is that when judging a BN or N or T group of eventers (which, at a Recognized HT, are generally a "bunch of apples", i.e. no Ringwood Cockatoos, but OTOH, most of them reasonably well prepared, and not going around the dressage ring doing their "giraffe on crack" impression http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif--and yes, there are always exceptions! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif, anyway, among this type of group, *most* dressage judges tend to score them so that they wind up being bunched pretty closely, with a very few at the top or bottom ends of the scoring curve; the divisions that Lucy scores routinely have a 20-25 point differential between the top 25% and the bottom 25%, leading me to infer that when she likes a horse, she gives them REALLY GOOD scores, and when she doesn't, they have real trouble getting any scores over 5 or 6, and wind up not being able to climb out of the 40s. (I have been on either end of her scoring preferences, as have *all* of my students http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif...the other thing is that from test to test with a single mount, her scores can vary a lot--proving that she doesn't remember individual horses! I've ridden *identical* tests for her, 5 months apart (and compared and examined on video with a fine-toothed comb after the fact http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif), that were scored 9 points apart...my students have had this happen, too...So, I must conclude she has days when she rewards a particular horse (with really generous scores), based on whether she likes what she sees at that moment; on other occasions, he will have *more* trouble getting a 7 out of her, even if he has a good movement or 2 or 3. (This is true of all dressage judges to some degree or another. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif)
So, this is just an *observation*--not mine exclusively, I might add--and not a criticism.
(And as I said before--all one can do is to work hard on dressage and prepare as well as possible...then go in and ride your very best test--and let the chips fall where they may!)

Flycatcher
Sep. 5, 2005, 07:48 PM
Lucy NAILED me on my mistakes at DRHT (rightfully so) and rewarded us for the movements we did properly. I scribed for her once and she was great- I learned a ton!
The biggest thing I have learned by scribing is that the judges don't "want" certain horses to win. It's not like hunter judging in that the judge doesn't keep particular horses in mind when pinning. Often they don't know who ends up on top. Obviously, some horses and riders have spectacular tests that set them apart from the rest, but I don't neccessarily agree that most judges intend to score everyone in bunches.
Anyway, I had an enjoyable time at DRHT and my pony was a good boy. We turned in a reasonable test and he jumped out of his skin. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Invested1
Sep. 6, 2005, 08:56 AM
How long does it generally take to get the photo proofs?

Dr. Doolittle
Sep. 6, 2005, 12:10 PM
I've gotten them (from GRC) as quickly as a week to 10 days after the event, but it has also taken as long as 2-3 weeks http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif (I guess it depends on how busy they are...)
Re: the previous post, yes, dressage judges don't pick the winners (and don't know who scores what in each division), they simply decide what scores to put in the boxes next to each movement (and the collectives, of course); however, they *do* have some "subjective leeway" on what score to give, which makes it possible for them to reward what they prefer to see. (It's up to them as to how highly! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif)

Miss C
Sep. 6, 2005, 04:21 PM
Invested1 --

GRC was at WeaveADream this weekend and they told me they had a big backlog from doing several events (including DRPC) but were hoping to get everything finalized and in the mail by this Friday.

Invested1
Sep. 7, 2005, 05:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Miss C:
Invested1 --

GRC was at WeaveADream this weekend and they told me they had a big backlog from doing several events (including DRPC) but were hoping to get everything finalized and in the mail by this Friday. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Woohooo! Thanks for the update!
I'm just excited since this will be the first time we'll have pix from xc and dressage! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

steves
Sep. 7, 2005, 05:24 AM
As secretary, I gave them a file of the addresses of all competitors but they contacted me yesterday and said the file was corrupted. I sent them a new file which they could read. Obviously they are ready to send them out or they would not have asked me for the address list again

Dr. Doolittle
Sep. 7, 2005, 07:38 AM
Thanks, Steve! (We're all waiting impatiently, apparently...http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif)

FlyinXC
Sep. 8, 2005, 03:54 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dr. Doolittle:
OTOH, if Lucy is not happy with the way the horse goes, expect a score in the 40's, even when the horse has some nice moments.

Hello - I know I'm a little late getting to this thread - apologies. I've only ridden dressage to training level, so am by no means a sage on the matter. However - I do know Lucy Eddins, and have been judged by and scribed for her. I'd like to suggest scribing to anyone riding dressage in any capacity - it is an enormous learning experience, and something that I feel strongly all us of should do. Lucy's fabulous to scribe for, by the way - very organized of course, but she's also a teacher, and I almost felt like I should be paying her! She'll tell you her assessment, and why a certain movement earned a certain score. That being said, and note that I am not speaking "for" her, this is still my humble opinion: some of the beauty of dressage (to me, anyway) is that you can "blow" a movement, try and get over it, kick ass on the next movement, and be rewarded. Sure, we all would like consistent tests - but that doesn't always happen to me! She judged my mare's first ever test, and we got some middle of the road scores for some mediocre trotwork, but a 7 on the free walk and trot across the diagonal, which my mare did very nicely. From scribing, I can tell you that Lucy doesn't "look at the numbers", so to speak, to ensure a horse she "doesn't like" earns a score in the 40s - she looks at each individual movement, grades it, and moves on. So, a score of 3 for a canter circle on the wrong lead can easily be followed by an 8 on a nice trot circle. I can also attest to the fact that Lucy likes any horse with nice movement, putting in a nice test! She never commented to me during the show that she favored any one horse more than another. So, I might be way off on my interpretation of dressage judging, but wanted to offer my 2 cents anyway!

S4zeus
Sep. 10, 2005, 07:22 PM
Has anyone recieved their proofs yet???

Invested1
Sep. 12, 2005, 08:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by S4zeus:
Has anyone recieved their proofs yet??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, just got mine on Saturday!

Dr. Doolittle
Sep. 12, 2005, 09:52 AM
Yay! (Maybe the rest of us will get ours today...)
How did they turn out? And how did it go on Saturday??

Invested1
Sep. 12, 2005, 10:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dr. Doolittle:
Yay! (Maybe the rest of us will get ours today...)
How did they turn out? And how did it go on Saturday?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are a couple really great shots!! I went ahead and just ordered the whole CD as I'd like to watch my dressage test.

Ha, Saturday? Um, well, we certainly have become jumpers over hunters. When we walked into the ring for our o/f class, Tedi's ears shot up and he started doing his little antsy-pants dance "ohhhh, jumps!! YEAH! Let's get going!!" We motored around that course!! And we almost did a 5 stride in 3!!! The only reason we made 4 strides was that I hauled back on him! It was great fun though. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Carol Ames
Sep. 12, 2005, 11:52 AM
Let's hope the weather is as nice as it has been recently; is your horse healthy again?

S4zeus
Sep. 12, 2005, 12:21 PM
I still haven't gotten mine. I am a little dissappointed. I guess I shouldn't worry, but I always seem to think the worst. I am thinking, maybe they don't have my address. I hope I get them soon.

Flycatcher
Sep. 12, 2005, 04:31 PM
S4zeus- I haven't gotten mine yet, either. It does take them a bit sometimes. If you e-mail GRC they'll get back to you in a jiffy.

Dr. Doolittle
Sep. 12, 2005, 06:09 PM
Yeah, no proofs yet for me, either... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
(And I'm leaving for the AECs tomorrow in the early morning, not to return until late Thursday--with luck they will be in my mailbox by the time I return--providing that Mr. Dr. D remembers to pick up the mail--that's usually *my* job! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif)

(If Carol was referring to my horse, her back is getting better, thanks for asking http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif She still has days where it's tighter than other days--God knows what she does out in the field! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif--but overall, she's been feeling *fantastic* http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif...I have entered her at Middleburg, and have every hope that I will be able to compete, at this point...)

As for Invested's horse, "Mr. Eager Beaver", he is feeling quite chipper, and will be ready to roll for Foxcroft (which I believe is her next scheduled HT...) Just don't MENTION it out loud, because that is the surest way to guarantee that he will throw a shoe 3 days beforehand! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Invested1
Sep. 13, 2005, 05:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dr. Doolittle:
As for Invested's horse, "Mr. Eager Beaver", he is feeling quite chipper, and will be ready to roll for Foxcroft (which I believe is her next scheduled HT...) Just don't MENTION it out loud, because that is the surest way to guarantee that he will throw a shoe 3 days beforehand! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heh, isn't that awful? I now put my farrier on notice when we have a show planned. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Actually our next HT is Elysian Hills on Oct. 2nd, then we've got Foxcroft on the 23rd, then we'll do Rubicon on Nov. 12th. YEAH! Though I do need to find some jumper shows too.....

camouflage
Sep. 14, 2005, 05:36 AM
I thought that FlyinXC made a valid suggestion, that scribing was a good experience for anyone who rode dressage, and I'm wondering why nobody has responded to that. Dr. Doolittle, for example? I agree that it provides excellent insights into what judges look for..........

Invested1
Sep. 14, 2005, 08:01 AM
I believe Dr. D is out of town right now for the AECs.