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Auventera Two
Dec. 16, 2010, 10:59 AM
I'm back at this problem again, so maybe you guys have new suggestions for me?

My Pit Bull has extremely sore feet and thin pads. Now that winter is here again, he's back to being extremely uncomfortable on the ice and snow. (He totally avoids the gravel driveway regardless of season.)

Last year I bought him a set of Muttluks which are thick suede leather and nylon boots. He wears them on all 4 but they have to be strapped EXTREMELY tight in order to stay on. That's a problem because he has his dew claws and the straps go directly over the dew claws. So I exchange one problem for another.

Last year we got through the season with the Muttluks but I wasn't putting them on as tight, then they were falling off - every time he went out, he would lose a boot and I'd have to go around and find it.

The company said you have to pull the strap as tight as you can, and when I do that, it clearly is uncomfortable over his dew claws.

So, does anybody use any REALLY GOOD boots that you would recommend?

This morning I put the Muttluks on looser, and one fell off. I didn't realize it at first because I was doing chores. I heard him whining, and found him hopping on 3 legs trying to keep the naked foot from touching the cold concrete. I found the boot, put it back on, then he was fine. On the way to the house, 2 more boots fell off and he started whining and hopping/skipping on 2 legs to the house.

Our temps are around -5 to -10 below every morning and around 0 at night and this poor mutt just can't be out there with naked feet. :( The other 2 dogs are fine.

The Mushers Secret was a suggestion from my other thread and that did help during the hot months for just general toughing of the pads, but the ice and snow is what's the problem now. He really needs a good thick boot and we can't suffer through another winter with the Muttluks. Any ideas on brands?

Edited to add: I'm most interested in the Neo Paws. Has anyone used those?

tasia
Dec. 16, 2010, 11:12 AM
Maybe the dog boots by Pro Active paws? Good luck with this.

jherold
Dec. 16, 2010, 11:16 AM
It's a bit extreme, but if all else fails, you could have the dew claws removed.

Somermist
Dec. 16, 2010, 11:21 AM
We have Ruff Wear Bark n Boots Polar Trek Boots. They go farther up the leg and stay on really well. They are about $80 for a pair (if I remember) I tried the cheaper ones, but I should have just went with these in the first place. They really stay on.

Good luck.:)

wendy
Dec. 16, 2010, 11:36 AM
try Pawz boots- they are rubber shells, sort of disposable (you can usually get 5 or six days of use out of them), easy on, stay on, protect the foot. Never had any luck with other brands of boots.
You can also try musher's wax- you smear it on the foot and it provides a protective barrier.

kmw2707
Dec. 16, 2010, 02:53 PM
Could you try putting some vetwrap at the top of each boot to help hold them on? I would think just a couple turns around each leg would work.

belleellis
Dec. 16, 2010, 03:17 PM
I have a corgi with a spinal injury who knuckles under. Tammy and Teddy's custom makes boots. It was hard to find the short fat legged boots for a corgi that would stay on. I thought they were a bit $ but after looking at none custom boots they are are great deal. Great to work with too! They could probably make you something taller or shorter to miss his dew claw.

Wendy were do you get Mushers Wax? I only use the booties when we walk in the neighborhood (asphalt/gravel) but would love to try this for out in the yard. She gets her litte toenails worn down to nubs and the hair rubbed off.

JackieBlue
Dec. 16, 2010, 07:11 PM
http://www.therapaw.com/

Thera-paw has a number of options, some of which even have nice little gel soles. "Are you gellin'?" I know the designer/owner of Thera-paw. She's a lovely woman, an occupational therapist originally, and can also custom make protective footwear. Sad puppies are no fun. :no:

tallyho392
Dec. 16, 2010, 08:56 PM
how about just wrapping the entire foot with vetwrap?..maybe with a bit of fleece on the pads for a cushion?......the wrap is waterproof........stays on really well, and is pretty inexpensive

RiverBendPol
Dec. 17, 2010, 07:50 AM
I had NeoPaws for my old Lab when she started losing traction on the bare floors. The boots were great.
I'd use Mushers too, maybe it'll help toughen him up a little? Poor guy.
http://musherssecret.net/index.html

Long Spot
Dec. 17, 2010, 01:46 PM
Ugh. The boot staying on problem. Feel your pain. I've got a jack russell who has allergies and chews one foot. I bought a set of four neoprene "pawtectors" (brand) so I could swap them out on the one foot. I had the same problem you did, which is she's still got her dew claws, and when I put them on as sized, they hit right there. This brand, however, you can trim down if you need to as the velcro strap is totally removable from the bootie. You can place the strap where ever you need to on the bootie.

Once I got them trimmed down to below her Dew claw, I could really tighten them up without bothering her.

Auventera Two
Dec. 17, 2010, 02:56 PM
These are all great suggestions, thanks! I think I like the look of the Polar Trex best because of where the straps are but he Thera Paws look nice too. They need to be above the dew claws and that's the problem I'm seeing with some types of boots. Also he has huge feet and some boots don't come big enough.

I really think he needs something thick and cushioned because especially on weekends, he is with me in the barn for a couple of hours at a time. I try to make him lay in the hay stall to keep his feet off the concrete but of course he wants to wander around and do doggie things but his feet hurt.

Brio
Dec. 17, 2010, 08:30 PM
You can also try dogbooties.com

ladybugred
Dec. 17, 2010, 10:26 PM
These are not boots, they are stick on traction pads for dogs that slip on wood floors, but maybe they would work??

http://pupgearcorporation.com/Products/Paw-Pads

Jingles that you can find a long term solution!!

LBR

Petstorejunkie
Dec. 17, 2010, 10:48 PM
go to party city and buy balloons. stretch one over each foot and see what happens.

EqTrainer
Dec. 18, 2010, 05:53 PM
House dog?

Xanthoria
Dec. 20, 2010, 07:11 PM
duct tape! :D

Auventera Two
Dec. 26, 2010, 11:32 AM
I ended up ordering two complete sets of Neo Paws. I got the summer orthopedic shoes, and the winter orthopedic shoes. (Ordered from Lucy's Dog House and used a $20 off coupon!) Two days ago he came in from a potty break bleeding fairly heavy from the pad on one foot. He had pulled a Muttluk off and sliced his foot open (I assume on some ice.) The cut couldn't be stitched, as it had completely peeled the skin off. So he's been in a pressure bandage. It looks great today, is sealed up nicely and doesn't appear to be sore.

I am so p*ssed at those Muttluks.

The pads on his feet are just so thin and smooth. They don't feel rough to the touch, but feel as soft as a baby's skin.

Auventera Two
Dec. 26, 2010, 11:35 AM
House dog?

LOL he IS a house dog. He's laying under my chair snoring right now. :) But just going to the barn or for walks without boots is really miserable for him.

ladybugred
Dec. 28, 2010, 12:26 PM
I have an odd idea, I'm not sure how tall your dog is, but how about a pair of human knee high socks pulled all the way up & velcroed over her back? You could then put the Muttluks on over the socks and stitch them to the socks?

I'm not sure if that makes sense, if it doesn't let me know, I will cobble something together, and post a pic.

Hope you can find a solution

LBR

alto
Dec. 28, 2010, 05:06 PM
I ended up ordering two complete sets of Neo Paws. I got the summer orthopedic shoes, and the winter orthopedic shoes. (Ordered from Lucy's Dog House and used a $20 off coupon!) Two days ago he came in from a potty break bleeding fairly heavy from the pad on one foot. He had pulled a Muttluk off and sliced his foot open (I assume on some ice.) The cut couldn't be stitched, as it had completely peeled the skin off. So he's been in a pressure bandage. It looks great today, is sealed up nicely and doesn't appear to be sore.

I am so p*ssed at those Muttluks.

:confused:
knowing the Muttluks are determined to come off & the considtion of his feet & the condition of the ground - why would you not do the potty escort???
The Muttluks don't fit his feet properly - whether it's dew claw related or not - blaming the boot when you already knew this was an issue seems absurd.
Hopefully the new shoes will fit his feet better.




The pads on his feet are just so thin and smooth. They don't feel rough to the touch, but feel as soft as a baby's skin.
Have you addressed this nutritionally? what are you feeding? what's available to you locally?
I'm not sure what breed your dog is but American Pit Bull Terrier's (& high mixes) tend to have alot of allergy related skin issues (that also result in ouchie feet).

Auventera Two
Dec. 30, 2010, 09:47 AM
:confused:
knowing the Muttluks are determined to come off & the considtion of his feet & the condition of the ground - why would you not do the potty escort???

I can escort the dog around my property all day long but it doesn't change the fact that we are covered in ice and snow right now. Simply standing next to a dog while he takes a crap isn't going to prevent him from getting cut if he steps on a sharp piece of ice. Sure maybe I would have seen the boot come off and put it back on right away, but often I don't see the boot come off because the dog is black, and the boots are black and if pulls it off in deep snow, it gets buried under the snow and you don't always see it right away. I've been out there hunting for boots in the deep snow for hours before.


The Muttluks don't fit his feet properly - whether it's dew claw related or not - blaming the boot when you already knew this was an issue seems absurd.

The boots fit his feet as properly as they're ever going to. I have measured his feet many times and I bought the size that is recommended for him. They fit fine, they just don't stay on and the strap is sewn in such a place that it goes directly over the dew claws.

I did a lot of research before I bought those boots, and yes there was good and poor reviews on them, but then there is on EVERY brand of dog boot on the market. I found some threads on dog forums talking about boots and the concensus seems to be "You don't know till you try." What works great for one dog, won't stay on another dog. Their individual gait and foot conformation has a lot to do with it. So yeah, maybe I'm wrong to be mad at the boots, but I'm mad at the boots on this dog's feet. They might work fine for another dog.



Have you addressed this nutritionally? what are you feeding? what's available to you locally?
I'm not sure what breed your dog is but American Pit Bull Terrier's (& high mixes) tend to have alot of allergy related skin issues (that also result in ouchie feet).

He eats Taste of the Wild and the high end Fromm varieties (all my dogs do), which are both 6-star rated premium foods. They are grain free and I don't feed my dogs garbage food. This dog has no allergies or skin issues of any kind.

AnotherRound
Dec. 30, 2010, 11:59 AM
Oh, I know what he needs! A pair of doggie waders. You know. The armpit-high rubber suit thingy fishermen use. Instead of suspenders, you rig a strap over his back to hold them up. Heck, he could go swimming, he could go anywhere.

I would think before you put him out in muckluks, you would wrap his feed in vet wrap. That seems the logical thing to do until you find the right ones. Surely you've tried that? How did that work?

Auventera Two
Jan. 4, 2011, 09:16 AM
The Neo Paws came and we love them! They work great :-) Based on what I've seen so far, I would recommend them without reservation. They fit great, they are snug and form fitting without having to be strapped on super tight. They hug the entire leg and you can wrap the velcro under and above the dew claws and don't have to go right over them. They stay on, they don't twist or turn. And they don't slide down the leg and get floppy on the end of the foot like the Muttluks did.

The mesh summer shoes seem to fit a little snugger in the foot bed and looser in the leg wrap portion than the neoprene snow boots do.

So it looks like we have a winner :)

Piatt Farms
Jan. 4, 2011, 01:13 PM
You might have covered this on the origional thread, but have you talked to the vet? I'm guessing you have, but this sounds alot like my dad's Shiba that he adopted. He has SUPER sensitive feet and eventually dad took him to the vet thinking an allergy but he ended up having an actual long standing infection and some other problem under the pads of his skin.
It has taken about 6 months to clear up the infection and they have him on some sort of maintenance to prevent a flare up of the other problem...

just a thought

Auventera Two
Jan. 4, 2011, 02:20 PM
Wow that's interesting. Do the pads look different, smell, ooze...?? His feet are dry and the pads look fine. They're just thin and smooth. They don't have the rough calloused feel.

Auventera Two
Jan. 5, 2011, 12:55 PM
Took some pics last night but they didn't turn out great. The boots are holding up to extended barn time and running through the snow. He seems to have decent traction on ice and these boots do NOT come off! :) You don't have to put them on very tight either.

Only small problem I've noticed is that he has that bulldog type pigeon toe stance and the boots seem to turn inward a bit meaning he puts more pressure on the outside of the boot. They might wear out faster, not sure on that. I'd imagine the boots would wear out faster on bigger dogs anyway, but even getting one season out of them would still make it worth the money.

www.hphoofcare.com/LocheyInBoots.jpg (http://www.hphoofcare.com/LocheyInBoots.jpg)

ladybugred
Jan. 6, 2011, 10:52 AM
A2- Cute pup! I like how the boots fit, I think I might try them for my JRT, he still has DC, and gets ouchy in the snow & salt.

LBR

ddashaq
Jan. 7, 2011, 10:04 PM
AT, that dog is adorable!!