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dressagedevon
Dec. 14, 2010, 01:40 PM
Can someone please tell me what makes a rider in the open and not AA category anymore. I'm trying to redo our local club to have these divisions, since it's not really fair to compete against a trainer :no: So what is the amount of money cut off. TIA

ACP
Dec. 14, 2010, 01:53 PM
There is no amount of money below which you are an AA. Check the USEF Wed Site at www.usef.org for the whole rule. It is quite long.

You might want to say: "USEF Rules for Amateurs apply to all AA classes." Put this on your entry form in boldface type.

2tempe
Dec. 14, 2010, 01:56 PM
Rules are in the USEF rulebook Chapter 13. Pretty detailed list, but basically if you make any money doing teaching or the rest, you are NOT an amateur.

SillyHorse
Dec. 14, 2010, 03:17 PM
There is no amount of money below which you are an AA. Check the USEF Wed Site at www.usef.org (http://www.usef.org) for the whole rule. It is quite long.

You might want to say: "USEF Rules for Amateurs apply to all AA classes." Put this on your entry form in boldface type.
I wholeheartedly agree. If you want to follow the USEF rules, let them speak for themselves. They are available for everyone to read, USEF member or not.

ACP
Dec. 14, 2010, 05:11 PM
A lot of people don't know how extensive the restrictions are. I might get several copies printed, just in case someone asked. That should have been Web, not Wed. Duh....

Renae
Dec. 15, 2010, 07:26 AM
Basically if you do ANY training (this includes "just" exercising or longeing horses) or teaching/coaching you are not an amateur. There is also a rule stating that if you are paid to do one thing, such as groom, and you train or give instruction for your employer or their clients you are also not an amateur (this keeps barns from hiring assistant trainers, calling them grooms and letting them show as amateurs). As others have said read the rules.

SillyHorse
Dec. 15, 2010, 09:02 AM
Basically if you do ANY training (this includes "just" exercising or longeing horses) or teaching/coaching you are not an amateur.
Amateurs can do any or all of those activities. Getting paid to do them makes one a pro.

S A McKee
Dec. 15, 2010, 09:13 AM
Amateurs can do any or all of those activities. Getting paid to do them makes one a pro.

Yes, but payment does not have to be in cash.
Getting free board or lessons etc is the same as getting paid.

hoopoe
Dec. 15, 2010, 10:20 AM
Agree to the others OP the AMMY rules are in the rule book

ANYONE can ride OPEN that is true but only AMMY can ride in those classes

If you offer Ammy by the USEF rules you will have to offer Jr / YR for dressage.

For most shows the ammy rule kicks in at age 18 but in Dressage the age break is a bit complicated by the recognition of Young Riders up to age 22. THEY can be pros and still ride in this classification

Pros are those who accept compensation for teaching, training, selling for other, and showing horses. Compensation can be money or barter goods such as room, board and tangible goods.

There is no dollar level and NO skill level. The claim that you only teach 2 people or that they are only up down lessons does not matter.


You cannot be hired in one job such as a bookkeeper and rider the employers horses, particularly those they are paid to train. Same goes for spouses, you cannot ride horses your partner is paid to train