Does this offend you?

[starboard]

I recently came across a horse advertised for sale called "Not See"

I simply cannot fathom this name being broadcast at a show and not giving off the wrong idea. Am I being hypersensitive?

[starboard]

I recently came across a horse advertised for sale called "Not See"

I simply cannot fathom this name being broadcast at a show and not giving off the wrong idea. Am I being hypersensitive?

[Everythingbutwings]

Maybe I'm slow but what is wrong with it?

Friendship is Love without his wings
-Lord Byron

[starboard]

To me, it sounds like "Nazi"

[mrs.smith]

not see = nazi ?

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[ESG]

I think someone has too much time on their hands. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif

[Everythingbutwings]

I think I'd be working really hard at being offended.

It's easier to ignore someones misplaced attempt at humor than to get your undies in a bundle over that.

Friendship is Love without his wings
-Lord Byron

[Seven]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by starboard:
Am I being hypersensitive?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes.

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[magnum]

There have been several horses on the show circuits with names like "Sight Unseen," "Made to be Scene," etc. Maybe this one was related to one of those horses?

Or, when I first saw it, I assumed that it was some sort inside SALE-related joke (like maybe someone went looking for a horse, and found this one by accident -- it's NOT the one they went to see, but the one that was NOT the one to see?)

Even if it was meant to sound like NAZI, that group DID exist and they WERE around. It's a part of world history.

Likewise, lots of names like "Kahn" are given to horses these days. Genghis Kahn killed thousands upon thousands of peasants, yet no one takes offense to the name "Kahn" for a horse -- in fact, that name is now associated with POWER, not killing. ....

Maybe it's just a matter of time .....

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[MissCapitalSplash]

Not offensive to me. Ingenious, actually. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[starboard]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ESG:
I think someone has too much time on their hands. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
says she who loves to blather.

Simple question, If you dont want to answer, dont.
To those of you who have answered without being ESGish
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[War Admiral]

I'm with Starboard. I find it offensive. If I bought it that'd be the quickest name change EVER filed.

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[starboard]

So Magnum, are you saying that is it ok to name a horse "nazi"?

I'm apt to be hypersensitive http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif however, as a spectator, I would not know that an announcer was saying "Not See" or "Nazi"

Just sayin http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[deltawave]

Dunno if it offends me, but it's DUMB (I hate word play horse names, boat names, etc.) and it might very well offend somebody...why would you want to name a horse something like that??

And I don't buy the "Kahn" analogy...maybe the passage of time IS important, but would anyone name their horse HITLER? The name "Kahn" or "Khan" is extremely common.

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[Kels]

I agree that if the announcer were to say "Not See" over the loud speaker, I would be unable to distinguish it from "Nazi."

That, I might find a little bit offensive...Actually, I think I would think it was one of the stupidest things I've heard in a long time. What would be the point of naming the horse Nazi?

Anyway, seeing it on here, written out, it doesn't offend me but it is a stupid name. And yea, nazis happened, but I wouldn't condone it by naming something that- just as you wouldn't body clip a swastika onto your horse's rump. (Well, I wouldn't http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

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[mcmIV]

Since Seinfeld did the Soup Nazi thing.. I think the word Nazi sometimes has lost the original horrendous meaning and might mean "super strict, unbending, unyielding, mean person" in the mind's of some people, depending on context.

This name doesn't offend me, but I find it tasteless, and like War Admiral, I'd be changing it fast.

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[Box-of-Rox]

it is "offensive," in the way that like nicole richie is offensive, but it's not up-in-arms offensive. I decided that the local show scene was never to be repeated, ever, even for practice, when i competed in a schooling jumper division against a horse called "Hot Sex." Why people name their horses things like that is just too stupid to worry about. Horse people are weird. So obviously this horse's owner is an odd duck. so are a lot of people. shake your head and move on.

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[Jumphigh83]

The horses name IS NOT Nazi ..it is NOT SEE. Could we all please jump off the PC bandwagon and get a life?

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[jilltx]

I don't find it offensive, although I'm certain that some Eurpoeans would (like my German MIA for instance...she somehow feels that people in America connect NAZI's with all Germans). It was a misguided political party; not a derogatory slang term. It would be no different than naming a horse "Marxist" or "Communist". Perhaps not the best political or historical affiliations, but it IS just a name. It all depends on the way it's used...just like everything else. JMHO...I will not argue the point for those that don't agree.

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[Kels]

Kind of like some cliques on this BB http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"Helmet nazis"
"Hairnet nazis"

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[starboard]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jumphigh83:
The horses name IS NOT Nazi ..it is NOT SEE. Could we all please jump off the PC bandwagon and get a life?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why must you be nasty? Its simply a question, and it moved you enough to post a nasty reply.

Would the name Fah Ker Harder offend you? After all, the name isnt actually Profane. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Holly Jeanne]

I'd change it.

[SquishTheBunny]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> it is "offensive," in the way that like nicole richie is offensive <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif So true...

My old friend in high school's NAME was "Nazi" yup, even spelt like that. Although her name was pronounced Nasie.

I dont know if I find it offensive - maybe the horse is mean?! I wouldnt name my horse that, but I dont think I would label it offensive (Unless perhaps I lived in germany...)

So, for you who think that is offensive, what do you think of the name Chernobyl? (or however its spelt). We were considering naming one of our insane TB's this because he would go from being a nice quiet hard working hunter then unannouncingly EXPLODE into the air. Named seem fitting http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[Everythingbutwings]

Who's offended that I'm not offended? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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-Lord Byron

[OneonOne]

I'm not offended by that at all. But I do think it's a dumb name. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Xctrygirl]

Seen worse,

Seen better.

I don't have a huge issue with it. In much the same way back after the Columbine shootings a racehorse who was already running was granted permission to change its name. Now I agree the owners there were doing it to reduce attention, but come on. A Columbine is many things other than a school that had been through a horrible travesty.

"Not See" is not offensive and as someone else already stated, the Nazi's were a part of our history. Lear from the past... don't run from it.

~Emily

"The brave may not live forever, but the cautious never truly live at all"

[starboard]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Everythingbutwings:
Who's offended that I'm not offended? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

not me wingsy http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Beck]

Yes, it could be offensive.

The fact that the namer chose to 'hide' it in a cutesy/clever sound-alike demonstrates that THEY were aware that it could offend. Does that signify intent?

[starboard]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Xctrygirl:
A Columbine is many things other than a school that had been through a horrible travesty. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not to change the topic, but what is a colombine?

[caffeinated]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Everythingbutwings:
Who's offended that I'm not offended? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm shocked, appalled, and horrified that you're not offended, and think you should take a "politically correct sensitivity" course immediately.

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[Beck]

A Columbine is a type of flower - and the name of a character in an older play, who has been a sort of an icon for literary types.

What else it may be, I do not know.

[starboard]

I think my next showhorse will be named Fuh Q2 http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif

[OhioColleen]

I think that it could very truly offend some people who lost relatives in concentration camps.
Me, I think I'm sensitive to that fact, horrified that someone would use it; I'd wonder if they were a white supremist or a racist or something along those lines.
If I bought that horse, I'd change it right away. Maybe think of a name on the OTHER end of that scale to really upset the @$$ that named it in the first place!

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[caffeinated]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by starboard:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Xctrygirl:
A Columbine is many things other than a school that had been through a horrible travesty. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not to change the topic, but what is a colombine?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

a flower, for one

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[wanderlust]

starboard, a columbine is a type of flowering plant. My mom had some planted in the yard, I remember her talking about them when I was a kid.

Edited to add a link (http://www.tsflowers.com/html2/aquilegia_pink.bonnets.html) to a picture of a columbine.
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[arcadia]

I just did a double take at the bottom of your page one response starboard and spit my pop at my screen.....now that was funny. Offensive yes, but definately funny.

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[First Gold]

I don't like it either, Starboard. I'd change it. I LOL when I read the name that you picked for your next show horse http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[starboard]

I have the feeling that the name wasnt something intended to be offensive, I think it just looked like a cute name on paper, but maybe the owners didnt think it through. Its funny how each person has their own viewpoint on this--all different, and definately enlightening.

PS, arcadia--i'm glad you picked that up http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Dune]

I do NOT SEE what the fuss is all about. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif C'mon guys, I couldn't resist and I'm really surprised no one beat me to it. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[Horses4sport]

I find it very offensive. Just because they spelled it differently, the intent is there.

How would you feel about a horse named Nigg Her? Would you find that offensive? Where else do you draw the line? It is simply disrespectful, classless and, yes, offensive.

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[Kimberlee]

Sometimes you never know the story behind a show name, and it probably has a comletly different meaning. Such as, the horse as a baby at some point hide behind his dam and you couldn't see him, so the name 'Not See' came about. Personally, I think that getting offended by this is a waste of time, but can see your point in the fact that this name being misunderstood could really hurt someone's feelings. However, this is not the only offensive name out there, and there will be more so...

If wishes were horses... I would be sooooooo happy!!

[Finzean]

Columbine High School was where the two boys (Dylan Klebold one of them??) armed themselves with automatice assault weapons and proceeded to mow down other students....this was in Colorado a few years back and the topic of a "documentary" of sorts...I believe it was called Bowling for Columbine and it addressed gun control issues in the USA.

Offended at Not See?? Me personally, upon hearing this announced would probably just roll my eyes. Not really offended but then again, times changes and the power of certain words diminish. Then again I am not Jewish nor do I have any friends, etc. who were Holocaust survivors. Interesting to note though, I recently read an article about a student documentary film called Paperclips. Students documented on film trying to collect 6 million paperclips - each clip to signify a holocaust victim - the Norwegians wore a paperclip on their lapels as a secret show of support for Jews.

Fine I give up, do it your way: heels up, eyes down!!

[starboard]

Thanks Fin--i was actually looking for what else a columbine is, i remember columbine a little too well. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

[RugBug]

It's mildly offensive in the "roll-my-eyes-stupid-people-suck" way. The biggest problem with it is there is no context. Yes, we can laugh at the Soup Nazi b/c there's a context to go with it. Hearing the name "Not See" over a loud speaker leaves it up to individuals to apply a context, which may or may not be the owner's intended context resulting in some people taking offense and other's not.

'Course, I recently got offended by a bumper sticker of a confederate flag that said "Yankee by birth, Rebel by choice." Grrr....

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[War Admiral]

Wow, RugBug, really??

Maybe it's just a Southern perspective, but it strikes me that ALL Yankees were once by definition Rebels... When you overthrow a crown government that generally seems to be the perception... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[Kels]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by starboard:
I think my next showhorse will be named _Fuh Q2_ http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Am I sick for laughing at this?

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[Nikki^]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kels:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by starboard:
I think my next showhorse will be named _Fuh Q2_ http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Am I sick for laughing at this?

-<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, becuase I'm rolling on the floor laughing my head off!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

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[MistyBlue]

Okay, the name Fuh Q2 is hysterical, IMO. Not saying you'll get away with it at a show, but funny as heck to giggle about over the 'net.

The name Not See isn't 'offennsive' to me, but then I'm pretty thick skinned. However, I do find the name sophomoric and in VERY poor taste. I wouldn't be offended upon hearing, but would shake my head at the sheer stupidity and lack of social graces one would have in naming a horse that. Even if the horse comes from a line of horses with 'not seeing' in their names.
And yes, there are a bunch of horses with "Khan" in their names. However, Khan is not equated with the genocidal megalomaniac from history. Khan simply means "leader" or equals "king" in thir language. Genghis Khan just happens to be the most famous leader from that point in history, however Persia and neighboring countries also had other Khans more known for their contributions to modern day war maneuvers and even some known for their contributions to art.
On another forum here I think I read of a race horse having the name Sofa King Slow...which they got away with until an announcer caught on to what he was calling during a race! I have to admit I laughed about that for DAYS!

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[nrg]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nikkibaby27:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kels:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by starboard:
I think my next showhorse will be named _Fuh Q2_ http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Am I sick for laughing at this?

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No, becuase I'm rolling on the floor laughing my head off!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

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I laughed my head off at this, too! Not to worry though, my co-workers already think I'm nuts!

[SweatySaddlepad]

I'm not offended but I think it's in poor taste. Though these people better be careful there are alot skinheads and neonazi's in the US, maybe it is a statement who knows.

[fleur]

i'm so glad that no one finds this name offensive. now i can make my showing debut on my new string of show horses:

regular working hunter 'adolph hitler'
eq horse 'tim mcveigh'
junior jumper '9-11 hijacker'

sound good? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[RugBug]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by War Admiral:
Wow, RugBug, really??

Maybe it's just a Southern perspective, but it strikes me that ALL Yankees were once by definition Rebels... When you overthrow a crown government that generally seems to be the perception... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

True at one point, but doesn't this bumper sticker point to the Civil War, slavery etc? It doesn't bother me that someone would choose a "Southern" lifestyle but it does bother me when someone points back to a time of oppression and glorifies it. I admittedly have a bias against the confederate flag in all forms because, to me, it signifies oppression/racism.


Misty Blue: Yeeks! I had to say that name quite a few times before I "got" it. Too funny. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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[closer to fine]

A Columbine is a plant related to the buttercup. It is really quite beautiful. I sell vintage postcards and just sold a Columbine card a few days ago. If you think about it is a lovely name for a mare!

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[magnum]

I can't help it - I don't go looking for trouble where there isn't any.

There still remains the fact that ther COULD POSSIBLY BE another story behind the hores's name besides something sinister!

Heck, who knows? Perhaps the person who named the horse isn't terribly fluent in English?
A perfect example: The name of the GM Car, "NOVA" comes to mind, as NOVA translates to "NO GO" in Spanish. Little wonder the car didn't sell well in Mexico.....

UNTIL and UNLESS the OWNERS of the horse make a public statement that they MEANT this name to sound like a German Political party, why get upset about it?

I think it's more important when we think of this horse to wonder about whether or not he has good hay and water in front of him, and perhaps a nice green paddock to play in, and whether or not he's abused or not. .... Beyond that, unless the owners make some public statement, I sure wouldn't jump to conclusions about the name.

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[fleur]

sorry magnum, i don't buy it. you could argue that the owner of "hoof hearted" thought that his horse had a heart shaped like a hoof... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[SweatySaddlepad]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>On another forum here I think I read of a race horse having the name Sofa King Slow...which they got away with until an announcer caught on to what he was calling during a race! I have to admit I laughed about that for DAYS!

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mistyblue http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

It took me a few times of saying it too, I'm getting old my brain ain't working as quick!!!!!!!! OH BOY TOO FUNNY

[Kels]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fleur:
i'm so glad that no one finds this name offensive. now i can make my showing debut on my new string of show horses:

regular working hunter 'adolph hitler'
eq horse 'tim mcveigh'
junior jumper '9-11 hijacker'

sound good? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And since I am in Columbus, how about "270 Sniper" http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[Kels]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arizona:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>On another forum here I think I read of a race horse having the name Sofa King Slow...which they got away with until an announcer caught on to what he was calling during a race! I have to admit I laughed about that for DAYS!

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Member of: Non-GPA Clique
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Connecticut Clique
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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mistyblue http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

It took me a few times of saying it too, I'm getting old my brain ain't working as quick!!!!!!!! _OH BOY TOO FUNNY_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

When I was a kid- 7th or 8th grade- this was the "funny" thing to say- "Say Sofa King Slow fast."

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA What cool kids my friends and I were!!!

-Kelsey-
It is so easy, in the presence of horses, to appear foolish or incompetent.
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[fleur]

kels, that reminds me of 'i am we todd did, sofa king we todd did.'

[Kels]

YES! We did that one too http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif How cool we were.

-Kelsey-
It is so easy, in the presence of horses, to appear foolish or incompetent.
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[SweatySaddlepad]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fleur:
kels, that reminds me of 'i am we todd did, sofa king we todd did.'<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Oh my gosh I am a college grad, but I stare at these and it takes me forever!!!!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif. YUCK I'm getting old!!!

[Frank B]

No offense here, and I was born into the world of blackouts and wailing sirens as Nazi U-boats prowled off the NC coast. Two Uncles fought The Desert Fox in North Africa.

My first car was Hitler's 'Peoples Car', a Volkswagen.

I worked with some of the Penemunde (of V-2 fame) boys at NASA.

I agree that 'Nazi' has become dissociated from Germany's National Socialist Party and for many simply implies a mindless, unyielding attitude.

"Time Heals All Wounds"
Or is it "Time Wounds All Heels"? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

As for funny names: A large sloop often passed our condo at the marina entrance. It was piloted by a weathered, elderly gentleman, and usually had several bikini-clad honeys lounging about the deck. It's name? "The Horny Unicorn" !

Edited to add:
At a local show, one wiseacre listed his new game horse's name as 'Jack Mehauff'.

[This message was edited by Frank B on Jan. 16, 2004 at 05:05 PM.]

[starboard]

magnum, I agree, just read my later post. This wasnt a complex issue about society, I simply wondered what people thought http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Frank B--Thats almost as good as the boat I saw in SC. "Muff Diver"
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[Katydid82]

I remember the "we todd did" thing! We used to write it down and make other people read it. Elementary school was awesome.. I peaked in 4th grade..

As for Not See.. I honestly don't see the problem. There were Nazis once. &lt;edited b/c it came out sounding worse than I meant it too&gt;


I see horses named Kamikazee all the time and all that is is a suicide bomber.. where's the uproar for that. Alcohol kills people all the time and makes them sing horrid karaoke but there are still more Bailey's and Kahlua's out there than I care to count. Oh and don't even let me get started on naming your horse Picasso. Does your horse like cubes? French cafes? Syphillus induced hallucinations? Did he have a blue period or present an ear (I guess any other part of the body would do too..) to a "lady of the night?"

See my point here folks? I think the question should be "is this name stupid?" In which case yes. Change it. But not because you're going to offend anyone. Give him a cool one. Like Bailey. Or Kahlua. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Casey

****Note: The above names are examples. Please don't get offended if your horse's name is Kamikazee (does he crash a lot of fences?), Bailey or Kahlua (looooooooves the beer bran mash), or Picasso (looooooves dead flowers).

[This message was edited by Katydid82 on Jan. 16, 2004 at 04:01 PM.]

[MistyBlue]

Frank B, that reminds me of the Sultan of Brunei's yacht and the two speed boats on it. Even though it's bad taste, I had to admit to laughing at the name T*ts for the yacht and Nipple 1 and Nipple 2 for the speed boats, LOL! Not that I've been on them...I saw it on the History Channel of all places! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Arizona and RugBug...don't feel bad about not getting it at first. I had to read it a few times, then still shook my head. Then another post came up statting that you had to read the name aloud and fast. So I sat all alone in my little home office hollering Sofa King Slow about 4 times before the darned light bulb above my head went off! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif My poor hubby (bless his heart) heard me and thought I had FINALLY gone completely off the deep end...or contracted Turrets! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

I also got a huge giggle out of Hoof Hearted. I tried to convince hubby it would make a cute name for our little farm to be. He nixed it along with Passing Winds...even though his Native American name is Wind In His Pants. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

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[Frank B]

Starboard, in his younger days, one of my Uncles had a Lightning class sloop that he'd named 'The Mayflower' -- because all the gals came across on it. Or so he claimed!

[bigbay]

I'll tell you what, one thing I've gotten out of this thread is that bigbay needs to have more coffee in the mornings. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

My first response when I read the original post what exactly what ETBW said- "Umm, I don't get it." Then after I read some other people's responses, I had to slap my forehead, "D'oh!"

Then I see this quote:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by starboard:
Would the name Fah Ker Harder offend you? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

and my brain's still stuck on the Nazi track, so I once again go "I don't get it, must be German." http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I was on the verge of calling my dad, who speaks fluent German, into the room to translate for me! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif Luckily the meaning permeated my brain before I did that. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

On a good note, I'm now awake enough that I got the Fah Q2 reference right off the bat. So bring on the cleverly (and not so cleverly) disguised un-PC show names, I'm ready for ya! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[starboard]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Katydid82:
Alcohol kills people all the time and makes them sing horrid karaoke but there are still more Bailey's and Kahlua's out there than I care to count. Oh and don't even let me get started on naming your horse Picasso. flowers).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you honestly trying to compare the word Nazi to alcoholic drinks? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[bigbay]

BTW, I think Profane would be an excellent show name for a horse. I think that's what I'll name my next jumper. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[foursocks]

I hesitate to say this, because I think it's gotten overblown in here, but I know a horse with that name, or did- I used to see it on his stall every time I'd go down the aisle, and his barn name was "See". Not only did it never occur to me to bring up the word Nazi in connection with this horse, but given what little I know about his owner, who was a teenage kid, I have a feeling it was an inherited name from the track (get it- he's going so fast, you don't see him...?), and not meant to be in any way offensive. Now that I have thought about it as something being said over the loudspeaker, yes, it seems like a name that would be easily misheard. But as far as this horse goes, who may or may not be the same one, I am no longer part of that barn, I would argue seriously against the idea that any nasty connotations were intended.

You can take a line and say it isn't straight- but that wont change its shape. Jets to Brazil

[SweatySaddlepad]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I also got a huge giggle out of Hoof Hearted. I tried to convince hubby it would make a cute name for our little farm to be. He nixed it along with Passing Winds...even though his Native American name is Wind In His Pants. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

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http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif You see I didn't get that until now either, Hoof Hearted http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif. I'm loving this post, I'll show hubby when he gets home, he will too. Thanks guys I need to laugh today, keepem coming http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif.

[SweatySaddlepad]

[QUOTE]As for Not See.. I honestly don't see the problem. There were Nazis once. Yep. They killed a lot of people. Big deal. It happened now we have to move on.



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Not sure I have enough gremme faces for this quote, Oh my.

[Katydid82]

Starboard- Yes that's what I was doing.

Arizona- Sorry- I should have said, "It shouldn't be forgotten but we need to move on." It sounded a lot more flippant than was originally intended.

Casey

[GatoGordo]

OT, but along the lines of "No va", what were they thinking when they named a car "Toyota Previa"? I really would like to know if Toyota Previas cause more trips to the ER each year than placenta previas. Do they make you lose a lot of blood? Or is it just your wallet that bleeds? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

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[MyShadeOfPink]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Horses4sport:
I find it very offensive. Just because they spelled it differently, the intent is there.

How would you feel about a horse named Nigg Her? Would you find that offensive? Where else do you draw the line? It is simply disrespectful, classless and, yes, offensive.

*Amy*
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Have you all SEEN some of the QH names lately? Was this horse by any chance a QH?

I think the difference between those two names is the N-word name really takes alot of thought. The Not See name could either be a really dumb person OR a person who just jumped on the bandwagon and came up with a 'clever' new way to use the coolest new ring word. The I think that if this person intentionally thought of the name like that... their an idiot and it was just kind of rediculous and they deserve a knock upside the head.

I'd change it.

If their just kinda ditzy and didn't mean it that way... well what are you going to do. Hopefully someone will let them know http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Jennie
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[bigbay]

I got it!!

We can just change his name to Hell Met Not See. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

That way at least he'll be promoting good in the world!

[RugBug]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Frank B:
Starboard, in his younger days, one of my Uncles had a Lightning class sloop that he'd named 'The Mayflower' -- because all the gals came across on it. Or so he claimed!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My brother bought a boat named, "Blow Me." He then proceeded to tell the family that he would change it except for the fact that it was bad like to change a boat's name (I think that's how it goes) but I'm sure as a 20 yr old he loved the name. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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[hansiska]

In a word: No.

"Not See" does not offend me. George Bush using $$$$millions to put a space station on the moon offends me. Can we just put him on Mars? Can he "Not See" that this is a waste of money?

(rant over)

[linquest]

MistyBlue-

thanks for pointing out the history on "khan"

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[Frank B]

Rugbug, lucky indeed is the sailor that may get blown offshore! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[bip]

I'm not exactly offended, but it is in quite poor taste, isn't it?

[dray]

Snicker...I had to read the thread because I didn't even get it to start with...my mind just doesn't seem to "go there".

[Flash44]

I know the horse and owner.

Not See is his nickname, his show name is longer, and neither name has anything whatsoever to do with "Nazi." I believe Not See was his nickname when his owner got him, and the name just kind of stuck to him.

[SweatySaddlepad]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hansiska:
In a word: No.

"Not See" does not offend me. George Bush using $$$$millions to put a space station on the moon offends me. Can we just put him on Mars? Can he "Not See" that this is a waste of money?

(rant over)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



HMMMMMMMMMM, could be a good idea, exactly how would we go about that http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif. Lure him up there on a campaign drive and drop him off http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[GatoGordo]

Tell him two things:
A) Velvet's already living up there, so we don't really want to go inhabit the Moon. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
B) The Martians who bought her old property on Olympus Mons, made it into 1 acre lots with 1/2 acre houses, and refused to pass any laws regulating air pollution resulting from these developments would love to have a chat with him and contribute 1,000,000,000 gorblots to his campaign. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

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[ESG]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Flash44:
_I know the horse and owner._

Not See is his nickname, his show name is longer, and neither name has anything whatsoever to do with "Nazi." I believe Not See was his nickname when his owner got him, and the name just kind of stuck to him.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you, Flash. That was my suspicion. Sheesh, talk about people making mountains out of molehills. Go ride, people. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

[elizabeth]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hansiska:
"Not See" does not offend me. George Bush using $$$$millions to put a space station on the moon offends me. Can we just put him on Mars? Can he "Not See" that this is a waste of money?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And the most creative reach for an opportunity to bash the President goes to. . . HANSISKA.

TELL THE LADY WHAT SHE'S WON!!!
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[starboard]

How, exactly, has this "molehill" been made into a mountain? I dont see it, I see a reasonably discussion on a discussion board.

m'kay?

Flash--thats good to know http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by elizabeth:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hansiska:
"Not See" does not offend me. George Bush using $$$$millions to put a space station on the moon offends me. Can we just put him on Mars? Can he "Not See" that this is a waste of money?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And the most creative reach for an opportunity to bash the President goes to. . . HANSISKA.

TELL THE LADY WHAT SHE'S WON!!!
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Judging by the patriot act... she probably doesn't want to know her prize. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

(And that came from a staunch Republican!! :P)

[nightsong]

I suspected that this name, Not See, was an unintended slur. Like the software program named "Publish It." Did they EVER say the name out loud?

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[Richmond]

We have a local talk radio guy that has a group he has fondly termed "P.O.O.P"s. (People Offended by Offended People)I want to be a charter member! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Black Market Radio]

My Dixie Wrecked http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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He buggerd off!

[MyShadeOfPink]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by norahlee:
I suspected that this name, Not See, was an unintended slur. Like the software program named "Publish It." Did they EVER say the name out loud?

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Love is all there is<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

forgive me for being dumb but after saying it out loud... i still dont get it..

Jennie
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[Lambie Boat]

I would change the horse's name. But I think it's funny to see such outrage: has anyone wondered if any of the trainers from Europe actually were Nazis in real life, during that time? It is possible. They are still alive living and working somewhere.....

[magnum]

Hey, if we don't claim Mars, the Martians will get to keep it!

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by feisomeday:
I would change the horse's name. But I think it's funny to see such outrage: has anyone wondered if any of the trainers from Europe actually were Nazis in real life, during that time? It is possible. They are still alive living and working somewhere.....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think one taught me how to ride!

"Throw your heart over the fence and your horse will follow"

[gottageteasier]

Oh geez... PC PC PC PC.
The name Not See does not bother me and I think if I even heard it at a show I would not even blink. Personally, half the time I can not hear the "names" anyhow.. somehow horse show speakers always seem muffled.

But back to the point... yes the Holocaust happened as it has happened to people of all different races since the dawn of humanity. It still continues... ie... mass genocide in some african countries, past in Serbia, between Albanians and Greeks, in the Middle East, in South America. I think what happened was a horror, and I think it is equally sad we continue to remember what happened during the Holocaust while many people turn their eyes to current atrocities.

As for the South.. I am very proud of the South and the history. Am I a rebel? Hmm probably in a lot of ways, the South's history was not just based on slavery just like hardly anyone looks at Rome and think about how at one time Rome had more slaves than citizens.



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RugBug:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by War Admiral:
Wow, RugBug, really??

Maybe it's just a Southern perspective, but it strikes me that ALL Yankees were once by definition Rebels... When you overthrow a crown government that generally seems to be the perception... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

True at one point, but doesn't this bumper sticker point to the Civil War, slavery etc? It doesn't bother me that someone would choose a "Southern" lifestyle but it does bother me when someone points back to a time of oppression and glorifies it. I admittedly have a bias against the confederate flag in all forms because, to me, it signifies oppression/racism.


Misty Blue: Yeeks! I had to say that name quite a few times before I "got" it. Too funny. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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[Baileybff]

Pardon me, I've only read the first page of this. It doesn't really offend me...all though I find it a bit tasteless.

Here's one for you. I worked at a dinner theater for 8 years. We had some name doosies. Try signing autographs and when asked what your horses name is...you have to say "Lowball" or "Black Silk Undies".
Another is, a friend of mine bought an OTTB. It was during the time of the Simpson trial and this horses name was O.J. They were on the way to a show and had stopped to get some gas. Well, you know how it is, people flock to see the ponies. This nice african american man came over and said what a pretty horse he was...and asked his name. Panicked, she said...Uhhhh "His name is Fred" http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif. So between the gas station and the horse show, they decided his name should be Opie, not O.J.

Ok...so there. There's my contribution. Maybe now I should read the other 4 pages to see what this thread has turned into.
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[Bored*]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Richmond:
We have a local talk radio guy that has a group he has fondly termed "P.O.O.P"s. (People Offended by Offended People)I want to be a charter member! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I want to join! And I'll join fleur and tyedyecommando on my new horse 'Who's Sane'

"We got no troubles, life is the bubbles!" -"Under The Sea"

[risingstarfarm]

YES

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[OhioColleen]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by norahlee:
I suspected that this name, Not See, was an unintended slur. Like the software program named "Publish It." Did they EVER say the name out loud?

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AHHHHHHHH, that's hysterical!!! Wonder if that indicates the quality you get with the product! ROFL!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

To you, she's a horse. To me, she's a family member who is big, hairy, walks on all fours and is easily startled.
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[Celtic Witch]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by starboard:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jumphigh83:
The horses name IS NOT Nazi ..it is NOT SEE. Could we all please jump off the PC bandwagon and get a life?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why must you be nasty? Its simply a question, and it moved you enough to post a nasty reply.

Would the name Fah Ker Harder offend you? After all, the name isnt actually Profane. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with jumphigh. I do not have trouble with names such as that, but then I actually enunciate when I speak. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And the second name is absolutely brilliant. Pity I'd never get away with it.

My free advice; loosen your thong and have a laugh. You'll live longer.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rugbug:
True at one point, but doesn't this bumper sticker point to the Civil War, slavery etc? It doesn't bother me that someone would choose a "Southern" lifestyle but it does bother me when someone points back to a time of oppression and glorifies it. I admittedly have a bias against the confederate flag in all forms because, to me, it signifies oppression/racism. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And it signifies something entirely different to just as many people -their heritage and all its glory. FWIW, it is just as big a travesty to assume the civil war was fought over slavery as it is to assume that those who wave that flag are white supremists. I do not know a single Southerner who longs for the days of slavery to return but they are fiercely loyal to their past.

I actually own part of a Nazi flag. Am I going to burn it? Hell no. My grandfather immigrated from what was Prussia as a child. He comes from a long line of atristocrats who bred horses and cavalry officers. Most of his family served in Hilter's armies by default. Because of the stigma, it took 20 years of research to actually find out who we were as grandfather wasn't talking nor was he originally willing to share a chest that contained the last of his family's belongings from home.

Nor does it bother my in-laws who lived through the WWII bombings of Yorkshire and London (my mother-in-law actually had a bomb come through their barn roof and not explode).

So while we do not wave the flag from our porch, it is kept safe and will be passed to my son when the time comes. But then, I also have a photo of two great-great-uncles standing outside a tent in their Confederate uniforms on my mantle. I think that history is something to be learned from and remembered, not abhorred to the point of it's becoming unspeakable.

Susie

[Schrat]

Not See = Nazi?

I am German and would never have had the idea of making that connection myself. To me, that are not even sound alikes.

I really do believe that nick is nothing more than a personnal thing of the owner, who never thought of what "outsiders" might think or hear.

If the name was meant as a soundalike of nazi, however, I wouldn't be offended but shocked and frightened.

Anyone who is concerned about his dignity would be well advised to keep away from horses. (Prince Philip)

[HuntJumpSC]

Well said, Celtic Witch http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

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[FrenchFrytheEqHorse]

Hey everyone. Not See is in my barn. He is a lovely horse with a lovely owner. His name comes from his show name, "Not Supposed to Be" because he was a suprise foal. He is really a wonderful animal, and absolutely gorgeous. I can't say enough for him or his owner, meeting them in person is truthfully the only way you would understand how wonderful they are (she's my barn manager). Hopefully Not See will find a great new owner within the next few months.
If you are offended by his name, sorry but its his name and you are reading into it a little to far.

Sugartowne II- "French Fry"
Ears To 'Ya- "Jake"
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[goobs]

Okay with all this talk about Not See we need to see a picture!

[Alagirl]

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six pages and you are still at it?!

Much addo about nothing, to quote Shakespeare...

I have to say, I get more offended by people who made it their life's work to find something to be offended by, usually fits a certain demographic group....


But a couple of points I wanted to add, Kamikaze does not mean suicide bomber - at least not from the getgo, it means *Devine Wind*.
Y'all need to watch "Midway" and "Tora Tora Tora" more often...a term derived from Japanese history...longtime before WWII....

And lastly, the Civilwar was not about slavery, most folks could've cared less about it, bt it was a nice tool to achieve victory, kind of like shooting the Indian Ponies....
According to my information, Maryland, as Union State also had Slavery, and did not abbolish it with the Emancipation Proclamation, but some time after the war...talking about double standart....


That where mu 4 cents worth, carry on!

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[Albion]

Celtic Witch, that was a good post - my stepfather was in WWII at 18, landed at D-Day, got shot in France, etc. We have a copy of Mein Kampf downstairs that they jacked from someone's library (it has the name of the newly-weds it was presented to in the front), in addition to a Nazi flag that he also 'liberated'. It lives downstairs in the basement. I look at it as his war memorabilia, the same as the bullet casing they removed from him that lives on his key chain (Airport security tried to remove it as a 'weapon' - he was so angry he could barely speak, and FINALLY one of the higher-ups realized it was a bullet casing that was over 60 years old and was NOT leaving his keychain under any circumstances. It was almost as bad as the WWII vet who was carrying his Medal of Honor - and airport security tried to confiscate it as a weapon! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif). We're certainly not Nazis. It's history.

The Civil War WAS about slavery - all this stuff about state's rights and citizens rights is bunk once you realize that Southern states were trampling all over the rights of their citizenry (who needs the right to free speech and freedom of press?). The SPREAD of slavery (or lackthereof) was the crux of the issue for YEARS leading up to the Civil War - Missouri Compromise anyone? The Compromise of 1850? Abolition was what the radicals talked of, but the spread of slavery was very MUCH in the forefront of politicians' mind, as well as regular people. Was the average person on either side fighting specifically for/against slavery? I doubt it - but let's not ignore the root causes of the war. Yes, the Emancipation Proclamation had serious political ramifications, and if a number of things had happened before (ie, overwhelming Union victory at Antietam, Union defeat, etc.) the course of the war would've been greatly altered. Alagirl, the border states (MD, Kentucky, etc.) were a touchy issue. Lincoln NEEDED their support and courted them, essentially. Luckily for him, when the Confederates 'invaded' Kentucky and set up there in the Western Theatre, they REALLY irked the Kentuckians, who threw their lot in (generally) with the Union. Actually, Lincoln tried to persuade the border states to accept a compensated emancipation plan, which they refused - he then went ahead with the Emancipation Proclamation. Pick up James McPherson's "Battle Cry of Freedom", one of the (IMHO) best Civil War books out there.

'O lente, lente currite noctis equi' - Ovid

[Alagirl]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Actually, Lincoln tried to persuade the border states to accept a compensated emancipation plan, which they refused - he then went ahead with the Emancipation Proclamation. Pick up James McPherson's "Battle Cry of Freedom", one of the (IMHO) best Civil War books out there <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I guess that accounts for the quote contributed to Lincoln: *If I could save the Union without freeing a single Slave I would do so*

The civil war was also about deniing the states legal right to secceed from the Union...Screw the civil rights (and don't get me started on the Indian wars following that!)
It has become PC to say that it was about Slavery...so most books will declare it this way. (Just watch the Simpsons, when Apu takes his Citicenship test: There where multiple reasons starting with....Just say Slavery...Slavery it is....)

But come to think of it, the political arena hasn't changed much. Abolitionists got much support due to the bleeding heart novel(in the best of meaning) *Uncle Tom's Cabin* While the Indian wars were fuel by dimenovels and tabloidstyle newspaper reports...Nowadays legislation gets it's starting point by much the same means...prompted by the panicy masses...

And quiet frankly, It irkes me when the deporable living conditions and child labor of the slaves are pointed out, when at the same time the majority of workers, both in the American north as well as in Europe where living just as bad or even worth, with just as little means to escape this vicious cycle, just because they where so poor, they could not afford to walk of into the sunset! And let us not forget the (Irish need not aply) phase the country went through...

But this is getting way off the topic now!

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[starboard]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alagirl:
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six pages and you are still at it?!
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at what, exactly? a conversation? Gasp, a discussion? Its not ok for people to weigh in on a question? God forbid we discuss something other than helmets and "critique me" threads. If it bothers you, then dont read the thread. I find it interesting, and since I'm the one that started the topic, I'll keep the conversation open. that ok with everyone? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[ClemsonGraduateRider]

Doesn't offend me one bit. There are only a few things that do offend me, people who use racist and biased words FOR THAT REASON. And occaisionally when they are just plain ignorant.

IMHO this doesn't fall under either of those two,so nope, not me! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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"We learn from history that we do not learn from history." ~ George Bernard Shaw

[Alagirl]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by starboard:
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six pages and you are still at it?!
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at what, exactly? a conversation? Gasp, a discussion? Its not ok for people to weigh in on a question? God forbid we discuss something other than helmets and "critique me" threads. If it bothers you, then dont read the thread. I find it interesting, and since I'm the one that started the topic, I'll keep the conversation open. that ok with everyone? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Are you offended that I stated the obvious?
Where you are trying to offend me?
Do you find it offensive when I am am not offended?

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[elizabeth]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alagirl:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by starboard:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alagirl:
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six pages and you are still at it?!
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at what, exactly? a conversation? Gasp, a discussion? Its not ok for people to weigh in on a question? God forbid we discuss something other than helmets and "critique me" threads. If it bothers you, then dont read the thread. I find it interesting, and since I'm the one that started the topic, I'll keep the conversation open. that ok with everyone? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you offended that I stated the obvious?
Where you are trying to offend me?
Do you find it offensive when I am am not offended?

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I am absolutely offended that you are not offended by starboard's offense taken at your comment!!!

[Alagirl]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I am absolutely offended that you are not offended by starboard's offense taken at your comment!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now THAT is truely offensive....

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[Lookout]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by starboard:
Would the name Fah Ker Harder offend you? After all, the name isnt actually Profane. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your made up name doesn't actually MEAN anything, whereas Not See does mean something completely unrelated to what you're jumping to.

Everything offends me, and I'm not offended.

[Midge]

The states rights everyone yells about as starting the Civil War was the state's right to determine for themselves whether they would allow slavery and not let that decision go to the Federal Gov't. When the Confederacy formed their Gov't, the right to keep slaves was listed right in the...the...Successionist papers? Whatever..the Confederacy's version of a constitution.

[Oxerbound]

I'm not offended. Just like I wouldn't be offended to find a dog named Yankee or Rebel, or a cat named Axis or Conquistador. They're just names http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I suppose it just seems to me like knowing someone named "Bob" who was a real jerk, and then having a bias against anyone else you meet named Bob because they had the same name.

Out of curiosity, would those who are offended still be offended if the name was something like "Knottsy" - maybe on a little shetland pony who was infamous for always being able to untie herself?? I just can't imagine being offended if a little 8 yr old girl came up and asked if I'd seen her pony Knottsy who had untied the knot and escaped again.

I suppose the same holds true for Not See - I would assume there's a story or breeding behind it. In fact, I didn't "get it" until someone typed it out, even though I said it out loud.

Is anyone offended by the name "The British are coming?" Or "Atom Bomb" or "Pearl Harbor" or "Ring around the Rosie" or "American Revolution" or "Mason-Dixon" or how about the famous QH mare "White Trash," dam of Trashedeous(sp?) who was named thusly because she had too much chrome to count as a QH and not enough to count as a paint.

Or how about the name "Strapless," for that certainly could lead to implied sexual connotation.

If you are offended, I'm truly sorry, because I don't think that offending anyone was the point of the name "Not See," and the owner would probably feel horrible if s/he knew that it caused this much fuss. Anyway, even if the horse was named something like "Sheezaslutt," there's still freedom of speech, and perhaps there are greater worries in this world than a horse's name based on someone's perverse sense of humor. JMHO. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

"You people have held me back long enough! I'm going to join a clown college."

Prayers for Silver (http://silvan.home.mindspring.com/prayersforsilver/)

[Kachoo]

Oxerbound - heh. We have the same signature.

Cheers,
Susie
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"That's it! You people have stood in my way long enough. I'm going to clown college!" ~Homer Simpson

[Drummerboy]

Methinks someone starched their knickers...(nickers, neighkers, kniicker...)

[olympicprincess]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FrenchFrytheEqHorse:
Not See is in my barn. If you are offended by his name, sorry but its his name<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, actually, it doesn't HAVE to be his name FOR LIFE. If it's just a call name, so the call name could just be "Not".

[starboard]

First, Those of you who are bothered that some people are bothered--I dont get it. People can have opinions, cant they?

Second, I never said that I was personally horribly offended. In fact, I'm not really. I simply wondered what other people thought. Go back and read my original post. I think the name (if it was intended to be derogatory) is tasteless, but I also dont think that it was supposed to be in the first place (which is also something i stated previously)

Folks, my panties are neither wadded, or bunched. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[FrenchFrytheEqHorse]

Olympic Princess-
Not See comes when called. He knows his name. It was never intented to be offensive. Yes, frequently people do a double take at his stall card, but its JUST A NAME. He has NEVER shown under it and will never show under it. His show name is Not Supposed to Be. Bottom line is, Alexis (his owner) shouldnt have to change her horse's NAME because someone read too far into the fact that his name is Not See. It's really not that deep people, relax. If you want to buy the horse, then change his name. Until then, leave it be.

Sugartowne II- "French Fry"
Ears To 'Ya- "Jake"
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[ImTheOwner]

Oh my--look at all this. I just had to get online and see this for myself. Thanks to "French" for referring me to this interesting discussion on my horse Not See. I registered and everything just to respond to all of this. Thanks for visiting our website, too, by the way, where I am sure you saw his name with his ad. If you had e-mailed to the webmaster with your concerns, they would have come directly to me, as well as to the gentleman who coordinates everything on our site, and I would have responded with a similar message to this one. Well, his name (and show name) is Not Supposed to Be, as he was a "surprise" to his owner after trying to get the mare to take for months. So that eliminates about 75% of the messages on this whole thing about "Not See/Nazi" being announced over the loudspeaker at shows. What can I say, I bought him, my one and only baby, with the nick-name years ago and never changed it. The old owner did "Not See" him happening. Get it?? I am the manager and one of the instructors, as well as rider and competitor, at the barn where Not See is, in addition to being a recent college graduate. I honestly can't say that anyone, in the nearly 7 years I have had him, has been terribly offended by my horse's name. If they were, or preferred not to say "Not See", then they call him Nots. No big deal. We have clients from many ethnicities and religions, may I add. It seems to me that there are quite a few people who have way too much free time on their hands. Thank you to everyone who wrote in and expressed their opinions. I read some very interesting messages.

No need to respond to my message, as I will probably not have the time to come back anytime soon. I just felt obligated to check this all out since it is my horse. Good luck to everyone in the '04 show season.

[Sakura]

I almost bought a TB mare named Sexy N***** ("n" word). The ironic thing was... she was owned by a black man and he did not seem offended by it in the least as he gladly told me her name with a big grin (perhaps he liked the shock effect). I guess it all depends on your mind set.

[drifting cloud]

All I can say about this whole thread is

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