Critique this picture [Archive]

Nikki^

May. 10, 2004, 01:37 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by GirlNextDoor:
making fun of a stranger's style in the saddle is just hilarious...

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As your occupation of stealing someone's boyfriend/husband and homewrecking intrests are....

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GirlNextDoor

May. 10, 2004, 01:41 PM

Yeah sure. But no, really, making fun of strangers is SUPER COOL.

"You've been hoodwinked. You've been had.
You've been took. You've been led astray, led amok.
You've been Bamboozled."

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Charlotte

May. 10, 2004, 01:42 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Nikkibaby27:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by GirlNextDoor:
making fun of a stranger's style in the saddle is just hilarious...

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As your occupation of stealing someone's boyfriend/husband and homewrecking intrests are....

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Obviously Molly is joking when she states her interests. You seem to like to rag on people and make fun of them.

Charlotte

Nikki^

May. 10, 2004, 01:50 PM

No I don't. I just want to know why someone would jump like that. I mean, it looks dangerous. Did I make fun of him...no. And why do you sitck up for someone who uses such nonsense in her profile? Why cause she owns the great Lion King? Cause she boards at an Big Name barn?

I do not think it's joking to steal someone's bodyfriend and/or Husband and to be a homewrecker. It's really immature.

Apprently you didn't read what my best friend Erin had to say about her wonderful weekend at my place. But why would you care?

Kioko (http://www.geocities.com/area51/crater/5267/HeartofGold.html)

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What did the five fingers say to the face? SLAP!!!!

GirlNextDoor

May. 10, 2004, 01:55 PM

she probably stood up for me because she is my friend and she knows me http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You, do NOT know this person who you are making fun of and I think it is rude. But no, carry on, I doubt anything I say will change your mind...you just seem to be a very rude person in general.

"You've been hoodwinked. You've been had.
You've been took. You've been led astray, led amok.
You've been Bamboozled."

-- Malcolm X

Nikki^

May. 10, 2004, 01:59 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by GirlNextDoor:
she probably stood up for me because she is my friend and she knows me http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You, do NOT know this person who you are making fun of and I think it is rude. But no, carry on, I doubt anything I say will change your mind...you just seem to be a very rude person in general.

"You've been hoodwinked. You've been had.
You've been took. You've been led astray, led amok.
You've been Bamboozled."

-- Malcolm X
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Sticks and stones, Love, sticks and stones.

Anyway, can we get back to business and somebody please tell me why someone would jump like that?

Kioko (http://www.geocities.com/area51/crater/5267/HeartofGold.html)

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What did the five fingers say to the face? SLAP!!!!

Charlotte

May. 10, 2004, 01:59 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Nikkibaby27:
No I don't. I just want to know why someone would jump like that. I mean, it looks dangerous. Did I make fun of him...no. And why do you sitck up for someone who uses such nonsense in her profile? Why cause she owns the great Lion King? Cause she boards at an Big Name barn?

I do not think it's joking to steal someone's bodyfriend and/or Husband and to be a homewrecker. It's really immature.

Apprently you didn't read what my best friend Erin had to say about her wonderful weekend at my place. But why would you care?
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Sorry for sticking up for my friends. Has she ever stolen someone's boyfriend or husband or been a homewrecker? I think not. Until you know Molly, I don't think that you are qualified to talk about what she puts in her profile and how relevant it is to her actual life.

From your original post, you really don't seem to be asking why someone would jump like that; you seem to be poking fun at the way he has chosen to jump.

And what does your friend Erin have to do with all of this?

Charlotte

Go-Go

May. 10, 2004, 02:03 PM

Whoa - what's with the catfight?

Calico

May. 10, 2004, 02:04 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Nikkibaby27:
Apprently you didn't read what my best friend Erin had to say about her wonderful weekend at my place. But why would you care?

http://www.geocities.com/area51/crater/5267/HeartofGold.html

http://www.dmtc.com/dmtc98/Pedigree/

_ What did the five fingers say to the face? SLAP!!!!_
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I must be missing something. Is it unusual that your best friend would have a good time with you? And what happened during the weekend that is relevent to this?

JAGold

May. 10, 2004, 02:05 PM

I have to say, I think it's poor taste to post a picture of someone else and then invite others to critique it. If the person wanted to be critiqued, fine, that's his business. And if it's a published picture of a professional (or a picture you took of a professional), well, then, being talked about is part of the game. But if you didn't take the picture, then posting it is up to the person who did. And if the person in the picture isn't a professonal, then until he asks to be critiqued, then I don't think we should do so.

And if you have a picture of yourself jumping such a lovely horse over such a big oxer, I'd love to see it! --Jess

MessyBritt

May. 10, 2004, 02:05 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Nikkibaby27:
No I don't. I just want to know why someone would jump like that. I mean, it looks dangerous. Did I make fun of him...no. And why do you sitck up for someone who uses such nonsense in her profile? Why cause she owns the great Lion King? Cause she boards at an Big Name barn?

I do not think it's joking to steal someone's bodyfriend and/or Husband and to be a homewrecker. It's really immature.

Apprently you didn't read what my best friend Erin had to say about her wonderful weekend at my place. But why would you care?

http://www.geocities.com/area51/crater/5267/HeartofGold.html

http://www.dmtc.com/dmtc98/Pedigree/

_ What did the five fingers say to the face? SLAP!!!!_
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I also agree with Molly, it's not fair to post a picture of someone who you do not know, adn critique it. And about the great Lion King thing...he is great. And the big name barn...that's my barn too and we earned our big name, and we show it off proudly. It's not fair to talk about other people like the barn because someone expressed how they feel, and it's not fair to talk badly about Molly. Switch the situation around...and see how you would feel.

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Baileybff

May. 10, 2004, 03:17 PM

Wow...the 3 of you need to grow up JUST a tad. No offense meant, but wtf http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif?!?!?!

Ok, so I agree that asking for a critique on someone else is unacceptable. However, I feel that the original question was fine to ask.

I admit, I did have to stare at the pic a moment before I realized what I was looking at. Sometimes riders do that to make it appear that the horse has a great, powerful jump. Like BLBGP said this horse looks to have a relatively flat jump...so the riders HUGE effort here is to make it look like the horse cracked his back and popped him out of the tack.

Anyway, I hope that answered your original question. As for the critique...take note that it IS rude to ask for a critique of another person (especially if this person hasn't agreed to having it done).

As for the childish cat fights here...grow up http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif??!!

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RisinRider

May. 10, 2004, 03:19 PM

hmmm well http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif .... nice horse http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

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FrittSkritt

May. 10, 2004, 03:37 PM

I think we can all agree that said person's style of jumping is extremely unsafe, and when he finally goes catapulting over his horse's head he'll change his style. (Maybe. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif)

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pbrownw

May. 10, 2004, 03:51 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Charlotte:
Sorry for sticking up for my friends. Has she ever stolen someone's boyfriend or husband or been a homewrecker? I think not. Until you know Molly, I don't think that you are qualified to talk about what she puts in her profile and how relevant it is to her actual life.

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I don't know about that. Molly is definetly the type to steal someone's husband just out of spite. I think we should all attack her and call her immature, because that'll make us feel better about ourselves. [sarcasm]

Go Terps!!

GirlNextDoor

May. 10, 2004, 03:55 PM

Peter does know me pretty well. I mean...hell...if he were married I'd jump all over that. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

"You've been hoodwinked. You've been had.
You've been took. You've been led astray, led amok.
You've been Bamboozled."

-- Malcolm X

pbrownw

May. 10, 2004, 03:56 PM

I do have a long term girlfriend, I'm surprised you haven't done anything about that yet.

Go Terps!!

GirlNextDoor

May. 10, 2004, 04:05 PM

hahahaha...well Nikkibaby will be dissapointed with me http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

"You've been hoodwinked. You've been had.
You've been took. You've been led astray, led amok.
You've been Bamboozled."

-- Malcolm X

Medievalist

May. 10, 2004, 04:44 PM

Molly stole my husband! Then she castrated him! I hear my ex-husband is still secretly angry that a couple people on the eventing board failed to save his family jewels.

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Erin

May. 10, 2004, 04:49 PM

Move on, people. And if you're going to disagree, can you please attempt to do it like adults?

Lauren Sturges

May. 10, 2004, 05:27 PM

Wow lol people have way too much time on their hands.....anywaysss who knows maybe it was a bad jump, maybe he lost his stirrup, maybe the horse spooked and hes about to fall off, or maybe no one cares...If you wanna know why in one picture one guy you dont know is ducking really bad...maybe ask your trainer but on public board someones bound to get offended. Dont jump on Charlotte or Molly theyre just protecting the innocent and unrepresented. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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tyedyecommando

May. 10, 2004, 05:39 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by BigEQueen:
Wow lol people have way too much time on their hands.....anywaysss who knows maybe it was a bad jump, maybe he lost his stirrup, maybe the horse spooked and hes about to fall off, or maybe no one cares...If you wanna know why in one picture one guy you dont know is ducking really bad...maybe ask your trainer but on public board someones bound to get offended. Dont jump on Charlotte or Molly theyre just protecting the innocent and unrepresented. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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I went back and looked at some of the pictures and he is copying the same ride in 2 or 3 other shots. The thing is he is really not ducking all that much more than some other riders do, just that elbow sticking up in the air really draws attention. His technique must not be bothering the horse too much as his jump does not seem to be suffering. I scanned for other pictures of him to see if he did it on other horses, but never could find any. He just has a very unique style.

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OneonOne

May. 10, 2004, 05:56 PM

If I recall correctly, in other instances where photos of "strangers" were posted with comments on their style, they received similar reactions. I know this, because I am usually one of the people that finds it inappropriate. There is nothing wrong with posting a photo of yourself or someone you know (with their permission) for a critique. But posting a photo of a random person and asking for a critique is in poor taste. What if that person were to find the post? How might that make them feel?

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lmlacross

May. 10, 2004, 06:13 PM

I don't know this person, but I think it's probably safe to say that this single snapshot in time is not indicative of a jumping "style" on her part- likely just an awkward effort over a single fence.

Moderators, aren't we prohibited from posting proofs unless we've purchased the print from the photographer?

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Nikki^

May. 10, 2004, 06:31 PM

It's his jumping style cause every picture of him is the same. I got this off of Catchride.com if you care. He seems like the pro but he is not riding correctly in my book. And It's not rude to ask questions or post pictures about a certain jumping style, esp someone showing in the big shows. This is a BB right? We come here to learn or is this the gossip page now?

We can post pictures of famous riders jumping and what not and it's ok, but oh post a picture of someone jumping very dangerously and get ripped apart. I feel sorry for this rider cause if his horse was to stumble he would fall off.

And I do remember back when someone posted pictures of her horses and you ripped her a new one. You remember right, the one whos daughter was standing barefoot next to the horse or running around without any pants on? Remember? That's dangerous right, well this picture of this rider's style is equally dangerous, more since the kiddies will try to copy it.

Sticks and stones, love, sticks and stones...

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pgm

May. 10, 2004, 06:47 PM

I find the whole thread utterly hilarious. I think I know both the horse and rider in this case and, if I am right, this guy is one of the best in the business. By the way, I'm being straight up with you when I say that I think this horse is nearly perfect, looks like he will land on the correct lead, has a geat expression and is utilizing his top line to his maximum potential. And I would say that this rider has actually manufactured this form to a geat extent.

In George Morris' classic tome, he lays out very few hard and fast black letter laws about equitation over fences. Most of what he talks about would be considered good technique for jumping the average horse. And frankly, the horse pictured does not look like an average bear to me. But George M. also included pictures of some of the greatest horse and rider combos ever, and showed them breaking what you all might consider to be unbreakable rules. In each case, it is the horse's form he notices and values first. He then assumes that the rider did something unconventional to either allow the horse to jump in great style, or at least, to avoid preventing the horse from doing its best. Many of our top horse and rider combinations have unconventional techniques that they employ to get the best performance. (How many of you could jump "Strapless" over a 1' X and even stay on? Have you seen what her partner riders have to do with themselves to stay with that jump?) The first concern of these great riders is that the form be correct and brilliant. They find the exact place they need to be in to let that happen. And they do this by using something that so few riders ever are able to develop, (and something I am guessing very few on this board, have much of) - FEEL.)

But for this rider's left elbow, I would say that he is, given his own conformation, probably exactly where he needs to be. And I don't think the horse knows at all where the left elbow is right now. Although it might be a distraction, at that moment the judges are probably more concerned about the horse's form.

[This message was edited by pgm on May. 10, 2004 at 09:56 PM.]

GirlNextDoor

May. 10, 2004, 06:49 PM

wanna know the key difference between the barefoot kid and the picture that you posted? You are not the owner of the picture you posted . Plain and simple.
And as lots of other people have stated...isn't that a proof? and aren't you not allowed to post a proof?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> I got this off of Catchride.com if you care. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i hope no one on Catchride jumps off a cliff anytime soon...you'd probably have to do that too!

"You've been hoodwinked. You've been had.
You've been took. You've been led astray, led amok.
You've been Bamboozled."

-- Malcolm X

zedcadjna

May. 10, 2004, 07:00 PM

WOW!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

That would make me DIZZY http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif if I was the rider, I wonder if he stayed on after the landing!!

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Wow people are downloading my pics, I wonder why, they are not great. I hope you enjoy your use of them!!!

UmassGecko

May. 10, 2004, 07:10 PM

This has nothing to do with this thread but...
zedcadjna,
Just saw your sig...or if it's not a sig and a random thought, whatever, but I think that this picture is wonderful and people SHOULD be downloading it! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Lovely horse and rider. (http://community.webshots.com/photo/127676509/127678836fyPYma)

Go-Go

May. 10, 2004, 07:14 PM

Actually, Umass - thanks - that brings up something I wanted to ask zedcadjna - how do you know if people are downloading your pictures?

Nikki^

May. 10, 2004, 07:23 PM

His position look so weird and dangerous! If he's a professional, then why isn't he showing correct EQ like the great masters use to have? I mean the GP riders ride to fit the horse's style, but this is Hunter for goodness sake! He's not jumping a 6 foot wall and the horse is not cracking it's back, the rider is positoning himself to make it look like the horse is, but it's not working. The horse is a saint for letting him do this.
Even George Morris says that today's the EQ star's position is "sad."

Maybe it's my scientist mind that I have to break everything down and find reason to actions. Sorry if I offended anyone, but questions like this run though my head all the time. I'm not a leader or a follwer, I'm the one who sits back and studies the situtation.

And zedcadjna, that is a very lovely picture of you and your horse!

Here are 2 pictres of nice EQ(not looking down or legs kicked to the horse's rear):

http://community.webshots.com/photo/114604063/114604251mMorTT

http://community.webshots.com/photo/114604063/114605390WXxHOF

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Stick and stones, love, sticks and stones.

[This message was edited by Nikkibaby27 on May. 10, 2004 at 10:34 PM.]

zedcadjna

May. 10, 2004, 07:48 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by UmassGecko:
This has nothing to do with this thread but...
zedcadjna,
Just saw your sig...or if it's not a sig and a random thought, whatever, but I think that this picture is wonderful and people SHOULD be downloading it! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://community.webshots.com/photo/127676509/127678836fyPYma<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks Umass that is Absolute and yes he is my man!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://community.webshots.com/user/zedcadjna

Wow people are downloading my pics, I wonder why, they are not great. I hope you enjoy your use of them!!!

zedcadjna

May. 10, 2004, 07:49 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Go-Go:
Actually, Umass - thanks - that brings up something I wanted to ask zedcadjna - how do you know if people are downloading your pictures?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

When I sign on to sebshots it said that 4 pics were downloaded... But you dont know who is doing the downloading..

http://community.webshots.com/user/zedcadjna

Wow people are downloading my pics, I wonder why, they are not great. I hope you enjoy your use of them!!!

zedcadjna

May. 10, 2004, 07:52 PM

Nikkibaby27
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And zedcadjna, that is a very lovely picture of you and your horse

Thanks guys he is awsome... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://community.webshots.com/user/zedcadjna

Wow people are downloading my pics, I wonder why, they are not great. I hope you enjoy your use of them!!!

xegeba

May. 10, 2004, 07:54 PM

Nikkibaby..... it is entirely possible that this rider either does not care about what you or anyone else thinks about his position or ....... he had a Donny sighting which took him by surprise...

PTDeaconHP

May. 10, 2004, 07:59 PM

As a friend of molly's... I need to say something hahaha
do you actually believe that her profile is serious? Because, well... It isn't http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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xegeba

May. 10, 2004, 08:02 PM

I'd have to agree with you on that one PT.

FuzzyLogic

May. 10, 2004, 08:22 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Nikkibaby27:

I got this off of Catchride.com if you care.
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Actually, the link on CR was to a page where divisions were listed by "galleries", there were no photos on that page. VERY different from the direct link you posted.

Just want to make that clear. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Oh and Molly, I never knew this about you, you naughty girl! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JAGold

May. 10, 2004, 08:48 PM

Just a suggestion: might this not be a good time for the original poster to say "I used bad judgement in posting a picture that I don't own, of a rider who didn't ask to be critiqued," close the topic, and start a new topic about the merits or detriments of using creative jumping position in hunter classes? Or about the tragic state of equitation in professional hunter divisions, or whatever the point of this topic was supposed to be? --Jess

wlrottge

May. 10, 2004, 09:59 PM

Ok, I gotta jump in just a bit here. I think the original question was valid. "What would a professional eq/hunt rider say a/b this". When I saw this I was like, "what the heck?". Then I thought to myself...oh...hunters...yeah...what ever. Maybe the rider left his car unlocked and thought he could see if anyone had stolen it from there and it was behind him…who knows. I agree though, the horse jumped flat and the rider WAY over exaggerated his own jumping position.

The comment, "And the big name barn...that's my barn too and we earned our big name, and we show it off proudly." You have to be kidding me. The pics of you (messybritt) are jumping 2'3 in kiddy hunters (horse nosed out...nice collection, ha ha ha..NOT).... yup... you made the name. I don't care where/who you ride for, makes you no better/worse than me or any other competitor.

Girlnextdoor, as a very recently married person I take offence to anyone who even jokes about the home wrecker sort of things.

This is the WHOLE reason we quit hunters and started eventing (besides the increased challenge that eventing provides). You have to take a high strung, hyper and VERY fit horse, do very precise dressage work first, then go wide open through who knows what terrain jumping onto/off of/through large obstacles from a gallop, then if you live through XC, you have the easy phase of show jumping.

Hunters has too many pompous attitudes, politics and BS. Clear/fast, you won, who cares what you looked like/ride with...oh that’s right.. you don’t EQ while eventing. It's a “bit” tougher than hunters, you have to actually be able to ride.

W

TB nazi and proud of it.

[This message was edited by wlrottge on May. 11, 2004 at 09:17 AM.]

JAGold

May. 10, 2004, 10:07 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by wlrottge:
The pics of you (messybritt) are jumping 2'3 in kiddy hunters (horse nosed out...nice collection, ha ha ha..NOT).... yup... you made the name.
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wlrottge, it looks like you are new, so you might want to take a peak at the rules. They specifically prohibit personal attacks, and criticizing someone else's pictures is treading the line. (Also, not that it changes the point at all, but I'm not sure which pictures you are looking at. In this one, (http://community.webshots.com/photo/104489427/104490520LYdWnz) for example, the fence is pretty clearly a 3' children's hunter fence.)

I'm an event rider, and I tend to agree with you that eventing is a comprehensive test of horse and rider. But on this BB, it's not acceptable to come into another dicipline's forum and attack their goals. Hunters riders aren't trying to get the same degree of connection that event riders look for in their horses, and if you want to debate the merits of the two styles, you have to do it nicely http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Or better yet, come play on the event forum, where we all do the same thing you do. --Jess

GirlNextDoor

May. 10, 2004, 10:23 PM

yikes...

i'm gonna respond to you just because it is late and my AC is broken and sleeping in this heat is out of the question...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> Girlnextdoor, it doesn’t matter what packer horse you ride, any good rider can ride a mediocre horse and do well. Most any poor rider can take a packer and do well, we see it at kiddy hunter shows all day long. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

my horse isn't a packer. No one ever said he was, did they? Nikkibaby just seems to be freakishly obsessed with my pony. And when did anyone say ANYTHING about the way I ride? Beats me! You are making some pretty rude remarks for seemingly no reason...and if there is a reason...please! Enlighten me! Because I am lost...

I think you should read JAGold's post and really think about it. She makes a great deal of sense and she is extremely reasonable and intelligent!

PS...just thought I'd add. my "packer" is an ex event horse...recently ex. He is NO hunter packer. Although he is enjoying himself in the juniors like none other!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Lauren Sturges

May. 11, 2004, 05:21 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by wlrottge:
Ok, I gotta jump in just a bit here. I think the original question was valid. "What would a professional eq/hunt rider say a/b this". When I saw this I was like, "what the heck?". Then I thought to myself...oh...hunters...yeah...what ever. Maybe the rider left his car unlocked and thought he could see if anyone had stolen it from there and it was behind him…who knows. I agree though, the horse jumped flat and the rider WAY over exaggerated his own jumping position.

The comment, "And the big name barn...that's my barn too and we earned our big name, and we show it off proudly." You have to be kidding me. The pics of you (messybritt) are jumping 2'3 in kiddy hunters (horse nosed out...nice collection, ha ha ha..NOT).... yup... you made the name. I don't care where/who you ride for, makes you no better/worse than me or any other competitor.

Girlnextdoor, it doesn’t matter what packer horse you ride, any good rider can ride a mediocre horse and do well. Most any poor rider can take a packer and do well, we see it at kiddy hunter shows all day long. As a very recently married person I take offence to anyone who even jokes about the home wrecker sort of things.

This is the WHOLE reason we quit hunters and started eventing (besides the increased challenge that eventing provides). You have to take a high strung, hyper and VERY fit horse, do very precise dressage work first, then go wide open through who knows what terrain jumping onto/off of/through large obstacles from a gallop, then if you live through XC, you have the easy phase of show jumping. Hunters has too many pompous attitudes, politics and BS. Clear/fast, you won, who cares what you looked like/ride with...oh that’s right.. you don’t EQ while eventing. It's a “bit” tougher than hunters, you have to actually be able to ride.

W

TB nazi and proud of it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hahaha http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif Your so dumb! Go back to your crusty local pony club eventing show that you came from you rude jerk. I feel sorry for your husband... Your right eventing a high strung TB is tough work especially over those 2'6'' cross country fences! And boy...when the show jumping gets up to 3 foot....wow, what a rush. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sleepy.gif

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Tha Ridge

May. 11, 2004, 05:29 AM

He looks like he's a pro which would most often lead me to believe that he rides better than 95% of us on this board... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

In words of Stephanie from Full House, HOW RUDE!!!

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grider88

May. 11, 2004, 05:51 AM

Hey I think that is my old trainer Josh Kardeny i think you spell his last name like that.

OneonOne

May. 11, 2004, 06:02 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by wlrottge:
Girlnextdoor, it doesn’t matter what packer horse you ride, any good rider can ride a mediocre horse and do well.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif Am I the only one that finds this statement ironic given the bruhaha that GirlNextDoor endured on the Eventing board recently?

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wlrottge

May. 11, 2004, 06:29 AM

Nope, been here a while.......usually just sit to the side and laugh. However poor attitudes and "I'm better than you comments" really get my goat up, especially coming from children (in age or attitude) on this board.

Like I said before, I consider the original question valid, it is too bad that it turned into what it has.

W

TB nazi and proud of it.

NoGreatMischief

May. 11, 2004, 06:34 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by BigEQueen:
hahaha http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif Your so dumb!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh the irony... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

It's "you're," as in the conjunction of "you are," in this instance, dear. If 'you're' going to insult someone you should at least have 'your' grammar straight. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Nikki^

May. 11, 2004, 06:37 AM

If he's such a pro, then why does he have to look like that? What happened to the correct EQ that was displayed by the REAL pros back in the day? I see that pro Event Riders use correct EQ and even have the Automatic Release down pat.

It's sad. These pros ride all day long so there isn't an excuse why they look like that. The Eq/Hunter rings is about style and showing how CORRECTLY you ride. I understand that in the GP ring, you have to adjust yourself on your horse in order to clear those huge jumps, but the Hunter/Eq jumps do aren't 6 feet. Also, aren't you taught to look between the horse's ears and keep yourself in the middle of the horse so that you don't hinder him? Isn't it dangerous to look down and lean like this rider does?

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Go-Go

May. 11, 2004, 06:39 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by zedcadjna:
When I sign on to sebshots it said that 4 pics were downloaded... But you dont know who is doing the downloading..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh. That's kind of creepy! Thanks for the info - I didn't know how you could tell.

MessyBritt

May. 11, 2004, 07:22 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by wlrottge:
The comment, "And the big name barn...that's my barn too and we earned our big name, and we show it off proudly." You have to be kidding me. The pics of you (messybritt) are jumping 2'3 in kiddy hunters (horse nosed out...nice collection, ha ha ha..NOT).... yup... you made the name. I don't care where/who you ride for, makes you no better/worse than me or any other competitor.
[This message was edited by wlrottge on May. 11, 2004 at 09:17 AM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
First off, I was competing in the Pre-Children's in some of those pics because those were my first shows with my horse (when we bought him a year ago). Now I am competing in the 3 foot-3'3" divisions. And personally, I find my horse to be a very tight, clean jumper. Horse nosed out??? What's with that. Also, why are you critiquing my pictures? They wre not posted her for you to critique.
Second, the whole barn name thing. I never said that a barn name made you better or worse, so why did you make that whole thing up? I was just responding to a recent post that was made about our barn, it was nothing you were supposed to comment on. So stop making htings up!!!

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Flash44

May. 11, 2004, 07:36 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by wlrottge:
Hunters has too many pompous attitudes, politics and BS_. Clear/fast, you won, who cares what you looked like/ride with...oh that’s right.. you don’t EQ while eventing. It's a “bit” tougher than hunters, you have to actually be able to ride.

W

TB nazi and proud of it.

[This message was edited by wlrottge on May. 11, 2004 at 09:17 AM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know, that's a pretty rude thing to say on a h/j board. Just because a horse will jump whatever you point it at, from whatever distance, at whatever speed, and you manage not to fall off, does not mean you can ride. When you maintain the same precision and control that you brag about in the dressage phase and maintain that through xc and stadium, well maybe then you can ride. I've seen too many yahoos on speed freak horses with big hearts jumping piles of sticks to accept your blanket statements.

PiedPiper

May. 11, 2004, 07:57 AM

Okay, I think we should agree that each sport has its merits so let bygones be bygones. This started off with some very childish insults and is turning into a total bruhaha. Come on everyone, we all know that each rider can get something out of Hunters, Eventing, Dressage, etc and the total makes a well rounded horse(wo)man. I think the orginal poster just had an honest musing about the rider's unique jumping style and wanted to discuss it. So let's drop all the insults, okay? I think she brought up a good question on why someone would try and make a horse look like they are jumping them out of the tack when they aren't? The posting of the picture wasn't a good idea though.

So come on, let's not start bashing each other's sports and up the maturity level here.

You have to see the humor and the irony of all this fighting with TheGirlNextDoor being the owner of the the lovely Lion King. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Underdog

May. 11, 2004, 08:00 AM

I thinnk he was looking at a gnome hiding under that fence. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Mosby

May. 11, 2004, 08:04 AM

Or Donny. Or Hank (the cunning language guy that he is) and Betty might be under there.

CuriousGeorge

May. 11, 2004, 08:05 AM

"The Eq/Hunter rings is about style and showing how CORRECTLY you ride." [sic]

No, actually, the hunter ring is about showing how correctly your horse jumps. The rider is not judged.

Nikkibaby, since you have posted this on at least 2 boards, it is quite obvious that you are just being a poo stirrer. Give it a rest. You are what, like 23? You weren't even around for "back in the day", so how do you feel qualified to comment on how professionals had better equitation then? By the way, grand prix jumper fences aren't 6' either. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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May. 11, 2004, 08:56 AM

Grand Prix fences can be six feet, and do I have to be around back in the day to be able to talk about it EQ? I guess we can forget all our history lessons about since we weren't living back then.

I read books and watch videos on Hunter/jumpers because I like to educate myself. I have the George Morris bible along with the old school hunter/jumper books.

So, since that guy is a hunter rider, it gives him the perfect excuse to look like that over a fence! What bull doo-doo. How in the world is the horse going to show off it's back cracking jump if the rider is throwing it off balance? So ok, if I looked like that all I can say is that I'm a "hunter" rider, not an EQ rider right? That's asinine.

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fleur

May. 11, 2004, 08:56 AM

nikkibaby, since you obviously have studied the pictures in GMs book, etc, of "old school" style, do you remember what the horses looked like? there wasn't really the trend of a horse stretching down with his head and neck and yanking his feet up to his eyeballs. the horses in those pictures mostly are jumping pretty flat. it's all just a matter of different style of the times, but today's hunter riders ride for a much different type of jump than they did in the 60's and 70's. whether or not this guy is being effective with his crazy position doesn't really matter, because he's obviously helping his horse to jump the best he can. like CG said that is what the hunters are about http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif also i doubt that that is some kind of bad habit, i'm sure he does it on purpose. have you ever seen a pro or bigtime junior who does both hunter and eq? most shift their position styles to fit the class they are in. it isn't a tragedy for equitation--it's just a style choice.

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fleur

May. 11, 2004, 08:58 AM

it would be asanine to say it if you were doing the 2'6 local hunters, but that looks like working hunters to me (might be mistaken) and honestly nikki, until you get there you might want to just assume that the dude knows what he's doing. seriously, you're just digging yourself deeper.

tgfpt clique

fleur

May. 11, 2004, 09:00 AM

p.s. i think the horse is doing just fine in spite of or because of homeboy's position. the picture, though just a snapshot in time, speaks for itself. that horse is jumping evenly, right in the middle of the jump, knees up, neck stretching, with a gorgeous happy expression on his face. when your horse jumps like that, feel free to focus on your perfect eq http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

tgfpt clique

Medievalist

May. 11, 2004, 09:05 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MessyBritt:
First off, I was competing in the Pre-Children's in some of those pics because those were my first shows with my horse (when we bought him a year ago). Now I am competing in the 3 foot-3'3" divisions. And personally, I find my horse to be a very tight, clean jumper. Horse nosed out??? What's with that. Also, why are you critiquing my pictures? They wre not posted her for you to critique.
Second, the whole barn name thing. I never said that a barn name made you better or worse, so why did you make that whole thing up? I was just responding to a recent post that was made about our barn, it was nothing you were supposed to comment on. So stop making htings up!!!

http://community.webshots.com/user/messybritt<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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C. Biederman

May. 11, 2004, 09:11 AM

This is kind of a heated thread....

Anyway, FYI, BLBGP & Baileybff are right on the money. I watched the class in question and recognize the horse and rider. The horse in question (Nietsche) is owned by a professional (Holly Shepard) and is being shown by another (Martien Vanderhoeven)(sp?) in the regular working hunters. The ducking, bobbing, falling forward and head-snapping on landing (not pictured, but I assure you it was all there) were purely for the sake of showmanship....although the horse did look like it was overjumping a bit in the class in question, Martien is an accomplished grand prix rider and more than capable of displaying good form over a 4' fence.

Personally, I find this blatantly manufactured style of showmanship--which, BTW, I see in the hunter ring these days with some frequency--extremely distracting; but then, I don't have my judge's card, so what I think doesn't matter. I believe the horse in question ended up 2nd or 3rd in the classic in question, so it must not have hurt him too much.

Oh, and since this is a professional, I do think the topic and the picture are both fair game. Although the photographer might well object to the use of the proof, my opinion as a lawyer is that this falls squarely into the category of "fair use," which is an exception to claims of copyright.

CCB

Calico

May. 11, 2004, 09:12 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Nikkibaby27:
Isn't it dangerous to look down and lean like this rider does?

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Back to the original issue; I'd argue that among the pro ranks, it's not dangerous.

JAGold

May. 11, 2004, 09:15 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Nikkibaby27:
Grand Prix fences can be six feet, and do I have to be around back in the day to be able to talk about it EQ? I guess we can forget all our history lessons about since we weren't living back then.

I read books and watch videos on Hunter/jumpers because I like to educate myself. I have the George Morris bible along with the old school hunter/jumper books.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good grief, Nikki. This is getting old. But since you say you like to educate yourself, you might want to check out the rule book. The maximum height required in an international level class with more than $25,000 in prize money is one vertical at 5'3, and two fences at 5'. Read all about it here. (http://www.usef.org/documents/ruleBook/2004/Rule-XXVII.pdf)

At the friggin Olympics, fences may be a maximum of 1.6 meters, which is 5 feet, 2.5 inches. See the FEI rules. (http://www.horsesport.org/fei/pdfs/reference/03_02/olympic-2004.PDF)

And frankly, if you can get a jump like that out of a horse, and people will pay you to do it, then you can do whatever you want. No one appointed you the equitation police. People who own nice horses apparently think this guy rides well enough that they pay him to ride their nice horses. Since they own the horses, they get to decide, not you.

Why are you pursuing this? It's time to just back off. --Jess

J. Turner

May. 11, 2004, 09:18 AM

Even in the Olympics Grand Prix jumps can't go up to 6 foot. 5'6" for verticals maybe? Ah, I looked it up under FEI rules, 1.6 meters (5.28 feet? How much is that in inches?) is the maximum. Now in a 6-bar or Puissance class, yes. Get your facts right, or at least qualify them properly.

This whole thread is disgustingly immature and petty. I'm not usually one to advocate shutting a thread down, but this may be the first for me.

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Tha Ridge

May. 11, 2004, 09:20 AM

Thank you, CBiederman. I didn't even realize that was Martien but now I know it's him, he could outride you anyday, Nikkibaby. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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QueenMother

May. 11, 2004, 09:31 AM

Ah, new girl.....
Lion King a packer? That makes me chuckle. Wasn't he a stallion until November? Wasn't he the one that bucked off all the professional event riders?

Molly -- perhaps she's seen you show your horse and you make him look like a packer. I think she actually complimented you!

As for Molly's barn being a "big name" barn -- what exactly do you mean? Its a pretty small barn, with relatively few riders that show, with great teaching, and beautiful facilities. Did she brag? Did she say I ride with "so-and-so" so I can critize the stranger's style?

So what does where she rides have to do with the comments she made questioning the appropriateness of mocking (yes, Nikki, you were mocking and continue to mock) a stranger's riding style?

Nikkibaby -- your personal attacks on Molly were old and stupid EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU'VE MADE them! Get over it.

xegeba

May. 11, 2004, 09:38 AM

How OLD are these two girls that are engaged in this verbal warfare? Over 18? Yikes!!!!!!!!!!

Lauren Sturges

May. 11, 2004, 09:49 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by NoGreatMischief:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by BigEQueen:
hahaha http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif Your so dumb!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh the irony... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

It's "you're," as in the conjunction of "you are," in this instance, dear. If 'you're' going to insult someone you should at least have 'your' grammar straight. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

_"All of us are better when we're loved"._ - Alistair MacLeod<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
sry lol, that did look pretty stupid. It was a typo, I was in a rush when I wrote it. You're right haha
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korts

May. 11, 2004, 09:52 AM

Martien is a lovely rider. Sorry, Nikkibaby.

There are lots of great riders and trainers out there that exhibit an interesting "style" when riding the hunters. When I was a junior, I never understood it, and was frankly surprised that anyone would pay money to these professionals for riding their horses or for coaching. However, when some of these trainers' students went on to great equitation successes, and when the hunters these trainers rode consistently pinned high, I had to ask. And it was explained to me by my own trainer. I'm not going to name any names, but suffice it to say that I am speaking of some extraordinarily well-respected professionals.

Expressing one's ignorance in a self-righteous manner is much more damaging than asking why something that seems wrong might actually be right or okay.

slainte!

May. 11, 2004, 09:58 AM

threads like this are why i sometimes think COTH is a waste of my time.

no one who doesn't show in the working hunters has ANY RIGHT to comment on a trainer's position. i bet that person is making a MUCH BETTER living than you are, Nikkibaby. And that person has a MUCH BETTER reputation than yourself.

tidy rabbit

May. 11, 2004, 09:58 AM

This is hillarious. Meow. Pst Pst Pst

Keep it up!

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relocatedTXjumpr

May. 11, 2004, 10:01 AM

I cant say much for Martiens personal status with me, dates back way back when...BUT he was/is a lovely confident rider and I would bet he could ride just about anything with 4 legs and a tail.

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MAD

May. 11, 2004, 10:04 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>posted by Nikkiwhatever:
Grand Prix fences can be six feet <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nikki must ride with Clarice. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

tyedyecommando

May. 11, 2004, 10:04 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by tidy rabbit:
This is hillarious. Meow. Pst Pst Pst

Keep it up!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No kidding, some people really do have retractable claws huh. I think this train wreck / great entertainment will be derailed by the mods pretty soon.

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Linus

May. 11, 2004, 10:05 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by QueenMother:
Lion King a packer? That makes me chuckle. Wasn't he a stallion until November? Wasn't he the one that bucked off all the professional event riders? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, see here. (http://chronicleforums.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=6656094911&f=2096094911&m=714603911)

tyedyecommando

May. 11, 2004, 10:05 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MAD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>posted by Nikkiwhatever:
Grand Prix fences can be six feet <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nikki must ride with Clarice. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I had to think for a minute on who Clarice was. Shame on you for making me use my brain http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

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xegeba

May. 11, 2004, 10:06 AM

Mad... funny that you should mention Clarice... i was just thinking about her! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

MAD

May. 11, 2004, 10:08 AM

I was wondering if anyone would "trot" up and get it...

xegeba

May. 11, 2004, 10:10 AM

Slainte!!!! How could entertainment like this be a waste of time?????? Where else can you go to watch stuff like this unfold... For free!

MAD

May. 11, 2004, 10:14 AM

Honestly, I wouldn't ride with a professional that CAN'T ride on his or her head, would you, XEGEBA?

xegeba

May. 11, 2004, 10:17 AM

Mad......... the head comes in handy or so I've been told... useful for the extra umph that one needs from time to time....

MAD

May. 11, 2004, 10:21 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by xegeba:
Mad......... the head comes in handy or so I've been told... useful for the extra umph that one needs from time to time....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Useful only from time to time... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif That would be when there is something in it? hmmm...

jumper11

May. 11, 2004, 10:26 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MAD:
I was wondering if anyone would "trot" up and get it...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I did, I did... But only because I'm horrible like that... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Baileybff

May. 11, 2004, 10:29 AM

No, Mods please don't close this thread. I've been fairly bored here on COTH lately...and threads like this cause me to run to my computer to see the new posts http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif.

First of all professionals don't ride to be PRETTY (which, of course, has already been stated). They ride to make the horse look, jump, go the best it can...OR they try to make it APPEAR as though the horse is jumping better than it actually is. Case in point, the picture that was shown at the beginning of this thread. Very nice horse, don't get me wrong...but it's not cracking its back with it's knees to it's eyeballs.
If you want to learn a little more about how things are done (be it correctly or not in your book) just go to a few shows and observe. He's not the only rider that rides like that. Pros ride effectively not pretty (not trying to put them all in one barrel here...some DO ride quite nice as well).
Another thing I'd like to hit up on is ok...so you say that you understand why jumper riders ride like that. I do as well, to a point. However, if you watch some of those GP riders fling their leg up over the horses back (I don't think I have to bring up names here, lol) is THAT totally neccesary? Yeah, I get the get out of the way stuff and such...but MAN http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif.
Ok, to finish my point off. Some riders DID start off as Eq riders and some did not. Usually you can easily pick out those who did. It honestly does not matter what they look like as long as they can get their horse around and make THEM look great doing it http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif.

PS~ Mods...please let this stick around a few more days. I'm enjoying being lazy and sitting in front of this box. Kinda makes me feel like I'm young again and still in High School *snort*

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zedcadjna

May. 11, 2004, 10:44 AM

I think that at times we all have bad eq, I know I do sometimes, Take alook at some of my pics and you can see, it is funny that he just happened to get caught w/ bad eq...I hope to god he doesn't ride like this all the time.Like I stated before, i got dizzy just looking at the pic..

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xegeba

May. 11, 2004, 10:52 AM

Where did wlrottge go?????????

Nikki^

May. 11, 2004, 11:25 AM

wlrottge, who is a man, is at work. His wonderful wife, Courtney owns Griff (son of KrisS) and Royal. She is a wonderful rider.

Bailybff, I love your answer. That explains everything and I thank you for it. Some pros have lovely positions and yes, some have rather unorothodox types of styles, but that one is the most extreme I have ever seen.

I see that some GP riders fling their legs up time to time, but aren't those the ones with really LONG legs? Don't they do that so they won't hit the top rail with their feet?

And oops, the GP jumps aren't six feet, excuse me, I thank you once again for the correction. You don't all have to jump down my throat. And who is Clarice?

Kioko (http://www.geocities.com/area51/crater/5267/HeartofGold.html)

Look up your TB's bloodlines (http://www.dmtc.com/dmtc98/Pedigree/)

Stick and stones, love, sticks and stones.

Nikki^

May. 11, 2004, 11:28 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Tha Ridge:
Thank you, CBiederman. I didn't even realize that was Martien but now I know it's him, he could outride you anyday, Nikkibaby. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

- L.

It's all about the act right.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did I say that I could outride him? Did I say that I'm better than him? No I don't think so. You like to assume a lot don't ya? Question somebody's style (which looks down right dangerous) and all of the sudden you think I can outride him. You know what happens when you assume right?

Kioko (http://www.geocities.com/area51/crater/5267/HeartofGold.html)

Look up your TB's bloodlines (http://www.dmtc.com/dmtc98/Pedigree/)

Stick and stones, love, sticks and stones.

xegeba

May. 11, 2004, 11:34 AM

I didn't mean literally, Nikki. , where he went. Clarice.........Bellevista Farms? The one whose horse could trot 6' jumps? It was a joke..........

JAGold

May. 11, 2004, 11:37 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Nikkibaby27:
And oops, the GP jumps aren't six feet, excuse me, I thank you once again for the correction. You don't all have to jump down my throat.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A little defensive, Nikki? Someone else posted the correct information that GP fences were NOT 6 feet. You told that person s/he was wrong -- but you hadn't done the research. Don't be surprised if the second correction you get is sharper than the first, particuarly given the tone you've used throughout this "discussion."

Also, coming from the person who dragged another poster's horse and barn into the discussion, I think it's just a bit hypocritical to whine that other people are jumping down your throat...

The consensus on this thread is that it is rude to ask for a critique of another rider. Why can't you just admit to poor judgement, ask that the thread be closed, and move on? --Jess

jumper11

May. 11, 2004, 11:44 AM

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=6656094911&f=7076024331&m=845600671

Couldn't resist... But I don't know if it will work... Here's Clarice.

xegeba

May. 11, 2004, 11:45 AM

You little stinker Jumper 11!!!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

JAGold

May. 11, 2004, 11:49 AM

ps. Nikki, if you really don't see the problem with posting a picture of someone else, and asking others to critique (or mock) it, then I propose we all take a look at your filly's conformation. Heck, I don't even have to post the link, since you have...

Let me know if you think it's ok to ask for a critique of other people or their horses, and if you still think it is, then we'll start with your filly. --Jess

MAD

May. 11, 2004, 11:51 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by xegeba:
It was a joke..........<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OH, like this whole thread should be? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

pgm

May. 11, 2004, 11:52 AM

Moderators,

Please shut this sniping down now. This is supposed to be an educational service and it seems that this thread has deteriorated into a cat fight. The answers and explanations to the original question, which was not an unreasonable one, have already been given by several of the serious horsepeople that responded thoughtfully - pages ago. Given that the conversation has centered on ad hominem attacks on individuals and a steadfast refusal to read or learn, it would seem difficult for the COTH to justify continuing to take the risk of being slapped with a liable and slander suit by allowing this stuff to continue. If they are serious about learning, they will re-read the responses that don't include an insulting subtext. If they are not, they are free to snipe at each other in their private e-mails where the rest of the world does not have to waste its time listening.

(Begging here, please lets try to appeal oto our better nature.)

jumper11

May. 11, 2004, 11:52 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by xegeba:
You little stinker Jumper 11!!!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif *runs and hides*

MAD

May. 11, 2004, 11:53 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by xegeba:
You little stinker Jumper 11!!!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do I have to award a prize to Jumper11 for linking that thread?

MAD

May. 11, 2004, 11:54 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MAD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by xegeba:
You little stinker Jumper 11!!!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do I have to award a prize to Jumper11 for linking that thread?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by jumper11:
*runs and hides*<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

::chicken::

xegeba

May. 11, 2004, 12:04 PM

pgm.... it was a catfight, but now it would appear that there is just one kitty left, licking it's wounds. The rest of us, are well, just trying to amuse ourselves.... which apparently doesn't require much effort to do!

relocatedTXjumpr

May. 11, 2004, 12:07 PM

I am reading the clarice thread and am so lost right now its not funny...what the heck is this thing about?!?!?!

------------------------------
Second Chance Farms
"Where everyone gets a second chance at life"

Member of the Paint Hunter Clique

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JAGold

May. 11, 2004, 12:07 PM

Oh, please don't shut it down until Nikki answers my last question! --Jess

xegeba

May. 11, 2004, 12:09 PM

relocated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You weren't there when it was happening live???????????????? I don't think I would be able to explain it!!!! I'm giggling so hard right now, I can barely type.............

relocatedTXjumpr

May. 11, 2004, 12:11 PM

I must have missed it some how....i tend to stay away from threads that have many pages...it usually means theres a cat fight going on!! Now I want to know!

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Member of the Paint Hunter Clique

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MAD

May. 11, 2004, 12:12 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by xegeba:
relocated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You weren't there when it was happening live???????????????? I don't think I would be able to explain it!!!! I'm giggling so hard right now, I can barely type.............<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Someone missed Clarice? EEK. It is better than Spelling TV. I'm re-reading it and ROTFLMAO all over again.

xegeba

May. 11, 2004, 12:16 PM

I'm afraid.............. Jumper 11..... you started this http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Nikki^

May. 11, 2004, 12:17 PM

Go ahead and rip my filly appart. The only thing that matters is that I love her and I worked very hard for her.

Here's another link: http://community.webshots.com/photo/131694623/131694937hvjJBQ

Kioko (http://www.geocities.com/area51/crater/5267/HeartofGold.html)

Look up your TB's bloodlines (http://www.dmtc.com/dmtc98/Pedigree/)

Stick and stones, love, sticks and stones.

Nikki^

May. 11, 2004, 12:19 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by xegeba:
I didn't mean literally, Nikki. , where he went. Clarice.........Bellevista Farms? The one whose horse could trot 6' jumps? It was a joke..........<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh oh, I remember now. That thread was brutal...ouch.

Kioko (http://www.geocities.com/area51/crater/5267/HeartofGold.html)

Look up your TB's bloodlines (http://www.dmtc.com/dmtc98/Pedigree/)

Stick and stones, love, sticks and stones.

Go-Go

May. 11, 2004, 12:21 PM

Yeah, and this one is just one long lovefest...

JAGold

May. 11, 2004, 12:23 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Nikkibaby27:
Go ahead and rip my filly appart. The only thing that matters is that I love her and I worked very hard for her.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Seems others have taken you up on the offer -- your site has been flooded. Plus, I'm secure enough that I don't need to pick on your filly. But your comment shows your double standard -- I bet the rider in the picture works pretty hard at what he does, too -- and is pretty sucessful. --Jess

xegeba

May. 11, 2004, 12:24 PM

Now Go-Go... is the glass half empty or half full? I'm inclined to say there are many positives that will come out of this thread.

jumper11

May. 11, 2004, 12:28 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by xegeba:
I'm afraid.............. Jumper 11..... you started this http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was for educational purposes only... of course. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

QueenMother

May. 11, 2004, 12:36 PM

PGM, you've taken CellosPride's (another long and winding road!) posts too much to heart. There is no slander or libel here, no discrimination, no actionable allegations, just snipping and sniping. No one will get sued, no crime has been committed, no civil tort, unless maybe someone wants to tell the police about GND's threats of grandtheft (or petty larceny) husband and/or boyfriend via an internet profile (stop me, stop me -- I don't want to go down that topic either!)

Go-Go

May. 11, 2004, 12:36 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by xegeba:
Now Go-Go... is the glass half empty or half full? I'm inclined to say there are many positives that will come out of this thread.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Geez, I hope so - like if Coreene comes around and tells us what Hank has been up to, that would be a good thing.

xegeba

May. 11, 2004, 12:38 PM

Jumper 11! I want to thank you for putting up that link, because like MAD,I am ROTFLMAO. A classic!

Nikki^

May. 11, 2004, 12:38 PM

Good for you JAGold. Yes, I looked like total idiot not knowing that GP jumps weren't 6 feet. Mistake on my part. But that does not give you the right to insult me like some of you do. And yes, poor Judgement, but at least Bailybff gave me an excellent answer for my question.

pgm, I don't mind if they rip me a new one. These are just words from people who are in cyberspace. A good friend on mine told me not to care for the insults since they are just words. They are just getting their fustrations out. But I have learned new thigs:

1. GP jumps are not 6 feet
2. Don't question a Pro's position, they know what they are doing, even though they don't look like it. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

You can keep the topic open. Please, critique my filly, I love her very much. Tell me the good points, the bad etc... My goal is to do the Jumpers with her, not GP but the 4 foot.

Kioko (http://www.geocities.com/area51/crater/5267/HeartofGold.html)

Look up your TB's bloodlines (http://www.dmtc.com/dmtc98/Pedigree/)

Stick and stones, love, sticks and stones.

xegeba

May. 11, 2004, 12:39 PM

Well, what would you rather talk about Go-Go?

Black Market Radio

May. 11, 2004, 12:46 PM

I'd rather talk about.... "Daaaayyyyooooh, Day-ay-ay-oh, daylight come and me wanna go home!"

Devilpups (http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/angelgregory87)
Don't click here... (http://www.remembermy.net/forums/index.php)

Go-Go

May. 11, 2004, 12:47 PM

Hmmm... how about salad? Salad is a nice topic. What's your favorite kind of salad, X?

JAGold

May. 11, 2004, 12:54 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Nikkibaby27:
Good for you JAGold. Yes, I looked like total idiot not knowing that GP jumps weren't 6 feet. Mistake on my part. But that does not give you the right to insult me like some of you do. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know what? I can't actually find any posts where anyone insulted you personally. Maybe you are really sensitive, and I'm not noticing things that you consider personal insults.

In fact, the place where this first got personal was when you mentioned GND's profile.

And as the original poster, you could have ended the thread at any time. You could either have said, "oops, my bad, I shouldn't have posted that," or even just closed the thread. --Jess

Go-Go

May. 11, 2004, 12:55 PM

or, as DD87 suggests, Harry Belafonte songs. Is he still alive, anyway? And do we think it's strange that he named his daughter Shari? And what is she up to now, anyway? After the "Hotel" drama series it all seems to have gone downhill for Shari. I really thought she was the Hallie Berry of her day.

MAD

May. 11, 2004, 01:07 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Jumper 11! I want to thank you for putting up that link, because like MAD,I am ROTFLMAO. A classic! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, I think she should run and hide. I've gotten nothing done because I read that thread all over again.

Nikki^

May. 11, 2004, 01:10 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by devildog87:
I'd rather talk about.... "Daaaayyyyooooh, Day-ay-ay-oh, daylight come and me wanna go home!"

http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/angelgregory87
http://www.remembermy.net/forums/index.php<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wasn't that song on Beetle Juice?

Kioko (http://www.geocities.com/area51/crater/5267/HeartofGold.html)

Look up your TB's bloodlines (http://www.dmtc.com/dmtc98/Pedigree/)

Stick and stones, love, sticks and stones.

Black Market Radio

May. 11, 2004, 01:12 PM

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif yep!

Devilpups (http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/angelgregory87)
Don't click here... (http://www.remembermy.net/forums/index.php)

MAD

May. 11, 2004, 01:12 PM

Day-o, Day-o
Daylight come and we want go home
Day, is a day, is a day, is a day, is a day, is a day-o
Daylight come, and we want go . . .

Work all night on a drink of rum
(Daylight come and we want go home)
Stack banana til the morning come
(Daylight come and we want go home)

Come Mister Tally Man, tally me banana
(Daylight come and we want go home)
Come Mister Tally Man, tally me banana
(Daylight come and we want go home)
6 foot, 7 foot, 8 foot bunch
(Daylight come and we want go home)
6 foot, 7 foot 8 foot bunch
(Daylight come and we want go home)

Day, is a day-o
(Daylight come and we want go home)
Day, is a day, is a day, is a day, is a day, is a day-o
(Daylight come and we want go home)

A beautiful bunch of ripe banana
(Daylight come and we want go home)
Hide the deadly black tarantula
(Daylight come and we want go home)

It's 6 foot, 7 foot, 8 foot bunch
(Daylight come and we want go home)
6 foot, 7 foot 8 foot bunch
(Daylight come and we want go home)
Day, is a day-o
(Daylight come and we want go home)
Day, is a day, is a day, is a day, is a day, is a day-o
(Daylight come and we want go home)

Come Mister Tally Man, Tally me banana
(Daylight come and we want go home)
Come Mister Tally Man, tally me banana
(Daylight come and we want go home)

Day-o, Day-o
Daylight come and we want go home
Day, is a day, is a day, is a day, is a day, is a day-o
(Daylight come and we want go home)

Go-Go

May. 11, 2004, 01:17 PM

See, MAD, you got stuff done! And WTF with hiding the deadly black tarantula, Harry? A) Aren't all tarantulas brown and B) They aren't deadly, are they? I think that's ignorance on HB's part.

suecoo

May. 11, 2004, 01:18 PM

You people are so silly! This is why I loff this board, even the train wrecks!

Nickki, take it all with a grain of salt sweetie! Even the bullies here are harmless. And I personally think your filly is lovely. Good luck with her.

SueCoo & the Redhead (a/k/a "Atlanta")
Life without horses is possible, but pointless......

Go-Go

May. 11, 2004, 01:21 PM

FURTHERMORE... why just HIDE the tarantula - why not skwoosh it? Maybe with the rum bottle?

Black Market Radio

May. 11, 2004, 01:21 PM

Some tarantulas are black, and some are even deadly!

You wanna see a nasty spider? Check this (http://www.gophergas.com/funstuff/camelspider.htm) out!

Devilpups (http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/angelgregory87)
Don't click here... (http://www.remembermy.net/forums/index.php)

GirlNextDoor

May. 11, 2004, 01:23 PM

i think someone owes this little cookie an apology... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

"You've been hoodwinked. You've been had.
You've been took. You've been led astray, led amok.
You've been Bamboozled."

-- Malcolm X

Go-Go

May. 11, 2004, 01:25 PM

Oh, God - I saw that thing before, DD87. Shoot, no wonder those folks are crabby over there - they still have creatures from the Stone Age crawling around in their bathrooms. Not a great way to start the morning off!

jumper11

May. 11, 2004, 01:32 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MAD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Jumper 11! I want to thank you for putting up that link, because like MAD,I am ROTFLMAO. A classic! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, I think she should run and hide. I've gotten nothing done because I read that thread all over again.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Welcome to my world.... accomplishes nothing on a regular basis...

Go-Go

May. 11, 2004, 01:34 PM

Okay. Sorry Harry, you are right. DevilDog 87 says that sometimes tarantulas are black, and sometimes they are deadly. I still don't understand why you just didn't whack the mofo with the rum bottle, but I respect your decision. You were pickled when you encountered said spider, after all.

Astraled

May. 11, 2004, 01:38 PM

There are tarantulas on Mt. Diablo. I've run over about eleventy billion of them http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif as they tried to cross the road during mating season.

__________________________
I've never had to afford things before...it's making me bitter

Go-Go

May. 11, 2004, 01:45 PM

Yuk. That's gnarly, Astraled. Where's Mt. Diablo?

Nikki^

May. 11, 2004, 01:48 PM

DevilDog, Those are some HUGE spiders!

Kioko (http://www.geocities.com/area51/crater/5267/HeartofGold.html)

Look up your TB's bloodlines (http://www.dmtc.com/dmtc98/Pedigree/)

Stick and stones, love, sticks and stones.

Black Market Radio

May. 11, 2004, 01:49 PM

Astraled, the T's on Mt. Diablo are California Browns and not deadly. I used to have one as a pet! You can actually stop and let them crawl on you, they are rather docile!

Devilpups (http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/angelgregory87)
Don't click here... (http://www.remembermy.net/forums/index.php)

Go-Go

May. 11, 2004, 01:51 PM

So, then, where are the deadly ones? Other than in Harry Belafonte's bananas?

Black Market Radio

May. 11, 2004, 01:59 PM

Go-Go, Mt. Diablo is in the East Bay Area of California and is our inactive volcano! I have a great view of it out my bedroom window (http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/angelgregory87/detail?.dir=/Misc.&.dnm=5541.jpg) (sorry for the line through it, my window has white lines in it!)

Devilpups (http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/angelgregory87)
Don't click here... (http://www.remembermy.net/forums/index.php)

Astraled

May. 11, 2004, 02:03 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by devildog87:
You can actually stop and let them crawl on you, they are rather docile!

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not a chance in @#$)%*!! I hate spiders. Not that I hit them on purpose, it was unavoidable. We have a sweet view of Mt. Diablo from here in the office.

__________________________
I've never had to afford things before...it's making me bitter

Go-Go

May. 11, 2004, 02:06 PM

Oooo - purty! I lived in SF for a while - I suppose I should have known about Mt. Diablo, huh?

Black Market Radio

May. 11, 2004, 02:07 PM

Go-Go, the deadly black ones the song refers to are from South America, and DO hang out in banana bunches.

PT me Astraled and tell me where you are and what side of Mt Diablo you see!
I know what you mean about breeding season though, and the crunch isn't exactly pleasant http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif

Devilpups (http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/angelgregory87)
Don't click here... (http://www.remembermy.net/forums/index.php)

MAD

May. 11, 2004, 02:08 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>posted by Go-Go:
See, MAD, you got stuff done! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sure, between proving we don't all DIE in the "dead" city of Charlotte, NC and that most people consider KY "the South" and come to think of it...YOU should :run & hide: because you were the one that pointed this thread out...I have accomplished nothing PRODUCTIVE in MAD's world!

Go-Go

May. 11, 2004, 02:10 PM

Can't run - sorry. Tarantulas and Harry's banana are blocking the door.

MAD

May. 11, 2004, 02:10 PM

you can't run, but can you HIDE?

Go-Go

May. 11, 2004, 02:12 PM

Okay. I'll go hide. Or do work. Nah. Hide.

MAD

May. 11, 2004, 02:13 PM

There is always this folk song you can sing:

Folk Song written By: Frank Silver and Irving Cohn (1923)

There's a fruit store on our street
It's run by a Greek.
And he keeps good things to eat
But you should hear him speak!

When you ask him anything, he never answers "no".
He just "yes"es you to death,
And as he takes your dough, he tells you...

"Yes! We have no bananas
We have no bananas today!"
We have string beans and onions, cabBAges and scallions
And all kinds of fruit and say
We have an old fashioned toMAHto
A Long Island poTAHto, but

Yes! We have no bananas
We have no bananas today!"
Business got so good for him that he wrote home today,
"Send me Pete and Nick and Jim; I need help right away."
When he got them in the store, there was fun, you bet.
Someone asked for "sparrow grass"
and then the whole quartet
All answered:

"Yes, we have no bananas
We have-a no bananas today.
Just try those coconuts
Those wall-nuts and doughnuts
There ain't many nuts like they.
We'll sell you two kinds of red herring,
Dark brown, and ball-bearing.
But yes, we have no bananas
We have no bananas today."

xegeba

May. 11, 2004, 02:35 PM

WOW! I go to the grocery store(we gotta eat) and when I get home,I have the words to my all-time favorite HB song!!! I also discover that GoGO likes hairy spiders and Jumper 11, MAD, and I are experts at doing nothing! SEE GOGO? Look at the good that came out of this thread http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Now.... in Nikki's defense!!!! She posted a picture that to me was like a blooper on TV. For whatever reason, the homewrecking Girlnextdoor saw her opportunity and went in for the kill! The ensuing Ultimate Fighting Challenge was interesting, to say the least! However, Nikki stayed around and took her licks with somewhat of a good sense of humour! I personally LOVE trainwreck threads.

Go-Go

May. 11, 2004, 02:38 PM

X - not to brownnose, but I have to say I always look forward to your posts on the trainwrecks - they immediately go from being mean to really stupidly funny (my favorite kind of funny) as soon as you show up! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

DON'T TELL MAD THAT I CAME OUT OF HIDING TO SAY THAT, ok?

xegeba

May. 11, 2004, 02:40 PM

Never GOGO! By the way, when did you live in SF?

Madeline

May. 11, 2004, 02:43 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by fleur:
nikkibaby, since you obviously have studied the pictures in GMs book, etc, of "old school" style, do you remember what the horses looked like? there wasn't really the trend of a horse stretching down with his head and neck and yanking his feet up to his eyeballs. the horses in those pictures mostly are jumping pretty flat. it's all just a matter of different style of the times, but today's hunter riders ride for a much different type of jump than they did in the 60's and 70's. whether or not this guy is being effective with his crazy position doesn't really matter, because he's obviously helping his horse to jump the best he can. like CG said that is what the hunters are about http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif also i doubt that that is some kind of bad habit, i'm sure he does it on purpose. have you ever seen a pro or bigtime junior who does both hunter and eq? most shift their position styles to fit the class they are in. it isn't a tragedy for equitation--it's just a style choice.

_tgfpt clique_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, I'm old enough to answer this. In the "old days" working and conformation hunters were the top of the heap. That's where the $$$ was. Horses with a lot of jump and "quirks"- temperament, not so good movers, etc., went into the jumper ranks. Leaving the horses with the most natural ability in the top hunter ranks.
The Steinkraus-Chapot-Morris-Mairs-Kusner axis of the USET were notable exceptions to this generalization. And nowhere was this more obvious than when the team showed up at Devon, etc., to compete against the Open jumpers.

When the top hunters were the athletic top dogs, they didn't have to snap knees and crack backs to jump 4', they could do it easily. The riders didn't have to do contortions to make it look like the horses were powerful, the horses were floating up, doing it easy, not using all their talent to get 4'.The current generation of hunters are the ones who do not have the natural pop to make it in the jumper divisions (where the $$$ is now). So maybe they are struggling to get the height.

Why the current pros try to draw attention to the fact that these horses are at the upper edge of their physical abilities is totally beyond me.

Now I'll read the next 4 pages and see what everyone else says.

madeline

Go-Go

May. 11, 2004, 02:47 PM

X - right after I graduated from college - in 1993. A few college buddies and I started out in my friend's parent's pool house Atherton then moved to Russian Hill. It was a good time, but I forgot to get a job, so I had to move after a year.

xegeba

May. 11, 2004, 02:50 PM

Ahhhh Atherton.... one of my personal favorites! I'm pretty sure Mt.Diablo was there in 93... but I'm pretty sure you had other things on your mind! Could you think of trainwreck topic and start a new thread. I don't want to put the groceries away. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Go-Go

May. 11, 2004, 02:54 PM

No, X, Diablo was not there in '93. It was created by gnomes and Al Gore in '95. I'm SURE I would have known it was there in '93.

You're a smart alek - I'm not sure I like your de-railing trainwreck ways anymore! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Besides, you are going to get me in trouble with MAD - I'm supposed to be hiding. Now go put your Spaghetti-o's away.

MAD

May. 11, 2004, 03:08 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>posted by Go Go:
DON'T TELL MAD THAT I CAME OUT OF HIDING TO SAY THAT, ok? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Peek a boo I saw you http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

xegeba

May. 11, 2004, 03:17 PM

Where the hell did Cellos go?

Go-Go

May. 11, 2004, 03:19 PM

I don't think she's logged on. She said something in some other post about her computer going out, so she has to use the library's. I'm going home - I made myself hungry by mentioning Spaghetti-O's. You behave yourself, X. Hold down the fort 'til I get back tomorrow.

xegeba

May. 11, 2004, 03:23 PM

Bring Cellos with you GoGO........

Go-Go

May. 11, 2004, 03:25 PM

I don't play well with Cellos. Her words are too big for me, and my attention span can't hang in there long enough to understand what she talks about.

slainte!

May. 11, 2004, 03:48 PM

i want someone to critique her filly.

xegeba

May. 11, 2004, 03:53 PM

WHhhhhhhhhhhhhhy slainte????? We're all getting along so well.........

jumper11

May. 11, 2004, 03:59 PM

[ I think NB's filly is cute enough I guess, I don't know why she wants people to critique her???

[This message was edited by jumper11 on May. 11, 2004 at 07:40 PM.]

xegeba

May. 11, 2004, 04:02 PM

She doesn't but she was being a good sport when someone brought it up. It was along the lines... how would you feel if.... and she was along the lines... well whack away.... I just clicked on Devildogs spider..........OH MY GOD..........

CBoylen

May. 11, 2004, 04:09 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by madeline:
Actually, I'm old enough to answer this. In the "old days" working and conformation hunters were the top of the heap. That's where the $$$ was. Horses with a lot of jump and "quirks"- temperament, not so good movers, etc., went into the jumper ranks. Leaving the horses with the most natural ability in the top hunter ranks.
When the top hunters were the athletic top dogs, they didn't have to snap knees and crack backs to jump 4', they could do it easily. The riders didn't have to do contortions to make it look like the horses were powerful, the horses were floating up, doing it easy, not using all their talent to get 4'.The current generation of hunters are the ones who do not have the natural pop to make it in the jumper divisions (where the $$$ is now). So maybe they are struggling to get the height.
Why the current pros try to draw attention to the fact that these horses are at the upper edge of their physical abilities is totally beyond me.
Now I'll read the next 4 pages and see what everyone else says.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm going to disagree with you here. First of all, any horse that can legitimately be a hunter, as in jumps well enough and looks and moves respectably, is most likely going to be marketed as one. That's simply because the hunter market IS where the money is. Prize money is irrelevant. Adult hunters are selling in the top six figures for goodness sakes, the consistently high prices, even into the millions, are in the hunter ring. Jumpers don't sell for as much until they're actually top GP horses, which takes a heck of a lot longer, and is a whole lot more expensive, to produce.
Frankly, I've been around, and even ridden, a good number of the top hunters in the last 15 years. I wouldn't hesitate to head down to anything, even the mythical 6' GP fence, on a single one of them. A good hunter is extremely scopey. A good jump comes from training and natural ability. When a horse jumps a jump in the show ring, no matter what the height, I want it to be "using all of its talent". That's what it's trained to do.
Now, what a rider does in the saddle, that's their own business. Unless one is jogging in front of them consistantly it's a bit unproductive to comment on their form. It's what you're sitting on that wins the class, and if you're not getting in the way of it doing that, then you're doing something right.

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xegeba

May. 11, 2004, 04:17 PM

It's just a hunch but I think C. Boylen just about cleared up any confusion that might have been lingering here. She wrapped it up for me, at any rate. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Black Market Radio

May. 11, 2004, 04:19 PM

Chanda, a couple questions:
1. Will you be trotting that 6' GP fence
2. Are you afraid of deadly black tarantulas?

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CBoylen

May. 11, 2004, 04:29 PM

1. My trainer makes me trot just about everything, because...
2. I would even rank encounters with deadly spiders above trotting fences of any sort. Which is saying a lot, for me, as I prefer anything of the non-spider variety http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

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MAD

May. 11, 2004, 04:44 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>posted by C.Boylen:
mythical 6' GP fence <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you think a Unicorn (mythical creature) can jump the mythical 6' GP fence?

And, Chanda, if it did, how much would it go for at WEF?

BelleBoyd

May. 11, 2004, 04:52 PM

THE CICADAS ARE COMING! THE CICADAS ARE COMING!

Black Market Radio

May. 11, 2004, 04:53 PM

I think I saw one in your hair...

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MAD

May. 11, 2004, 05:03 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by devildog87:
I think I saw one in your hair...

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A Unicorn?

MistyBlue

May. 11, 2004, 05:08 PM

Tarantula's overall are not deadly venomoous. If you're allergic to bee stings...then you're allergic to tarantula venom. It's that simialr. If you do have a bee allergy, then a tarantula bite can be deadly.
Mainly they're very shy spiders who don't even know they can make most humans soil themselves upon sight, LOL! The black tarantula in Mr Belafonte's banana bunches is a Common Banana tarantula AND the Bird Eating tarantula. (African ones are smaller than South American ones) The banana tarantula is smaller and actually rust colored, very quiet and shy. They live inside the banana peel itself. The bird eating one is extremely agressive and hides between the bananas so it can pounce on birds. Or people.
The prettiest are the Mexican Red Banded and the African Blue. If you ever see one and freak out, just blow on it. Not kidding, it'll take off like a bat outta you-know-where. They're predator is a certain wasp that stings it, paralyzes it and then lays it's eggs on it so the future larvae have a live dinner waiting. So if they feel wh

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Baileybff

May. 11, 2004, 05:08 PM

Ok, I am officially *snorting* I'm laughing so hard. This thread is HILARIOUS!!! You guys are GREAT~ http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Nikki~ I think your filly is cute btw! Good luck with her in the future. I'm glad you've decided you can be a good sport witht this thread. I was a little worried in the beginning...but you've shown that you can "joke" AND "take a joke"...or maybe they weren't jokes, roflmao.

Anyway...The other day I was picking up a rail to make an oxer. Took my hand and started to wipe some of the dirt off the underside of it. Felt something on my hand...kinda shook it to knock off what I thought was a tuff of grass or something. To my SUPRISE...it was a HUGE (and I mean like quarter size) BLACK WIDOW! Talk about doing the "Holy sheeeeeeyat" dance http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif. I promptly squashed the monsterous 8 legged freak. Called my husband who is scared of ANY spider. Was amazed that he told me to CATCH the thing so I could take it into my sons class to "show it off"...WTF?? This from a guy who almost got us in a wreck because of a weenie little spider on the OUTSIDE of the car window http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif.
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