Any really good Eq photos out there??

[crackerjack]

Does anyone have any really good equitation photos... be it on the flat or over fences... Many of the phots I see from even the big eq classes don't really look like great examples of what good equitation should be!! I know its hard to get the perfect photo but there must be some out there!!

[crackerjack]

Does anyone have any really good equitation photos... be it on the flat or over fences... Many of the phots I see from even the big eq classes don't really look like great examples of what good equitation should be!! I know its hard to get the perfect photo but there must be some out there!!

[To the MAX]

*coughPTDeaconHPcough*

[*In Vogue*]

Well this might not be the perfect eq picture but to me this is perfect eq and this is how i want my eq. i think their awsome ridershttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://community.webshots.com/photo/155114627/155126892GEHfXE

http://community.webshots.com/photo/141325569/150015107XYWXOY

http://community.webshots.com/photo/155114627/155115588yJQQNc

http://community.webshots.com/photo/141325569/153089620GrlvPZ

Tara and carolyn you guys rock your my idolshttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[*popsicle*]

I have some eq. pics on my webshots. Here are a few though... yay for flat jumpers http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://community.webshots.com/photo/86255998/95332338kUzeKT

http://community.webshots.com/photo/86255998/159365375DsSwlq

http://community.webshots.com/photo/99591084/159355301anSzkb

[Anticipation]

No offense, but the previous pictures posted are nowhere near "perfect" examples of good equitation. I wouldn't even call them "good". If you want to see pictures of INCREDIBLE equitation look at any photos of Maggie McAlary. I have never seen such stunning, classy, textbook equitation.

[hunterpa]

I think the photos people have posted are showing good equitation. They all show riders with a solid position, with horses who jump well and look relaxed, and the horse/rider combinations are all working well as a team. Good equitation is not all about looking perfect... some actual riding is involved as well.

[stopher]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Anticipation:
No offense, but the previous pictures posted are nowhere near "perfect" examples of good equitation. I wouldn't even call them "good". If you want to see pictures of INCREDIBLE equitation look at any photos of Maggie McAlary. I have never seen such stunning, classy, textbook equitation. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, that's a little harsh...

[horseygurl182]

I agree that Maggie has a very nice position, but the pictures posted above weren't horrible by any means. The flat picture posted by the first person is great, the rider is looking down (a big no-no) and she has what I define as "chicken elbows", hard habbit to break, but yet another equitation no-no. There are hundreds of other riders out there, juniors and pro's with great positions, like Addison Phillips, our own Heather Dobbs http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Maggie Macalary, Brianne Goutal, Sachine Belle, and many many others.

[Madeline]

Nelson Pessoa? Mary Mairs Chapot? George Morris? Michael Matz? William Steinkraus?

Current Issue of the Chronicle: P.15

http://tinyurl.com/4smok
http://tinyurl.com/4holw
http://tinyurl.com/4wb3g
http://tinyurl.com/56kr8

Just my opinion, of course.

[Hucklebug]

I think George Morris would comment (if I may be so presumptuous) that most of the riders pictured (except those posted by Madeline) are throwing their bodies and don't have their crotches high enough out of the saddle and their bodies are collapsed on their arms, rather than being supported by them, but they're still better than most of my photos, so I'd be happy with them if I got them back as proofs, but wouldn't point them out as perfect eq. photos. If I'm looking for classic style, I always go back to Conrad Homfeld (still looks like he could win the medal finals) and Joe Fargis...now there's equitation at its best! Of the pro hunter riders, I think Scott Hofstetter comes the closest to good equitation form. Many of the juniors I see doing the eq.'s today look stiff and rigid, not fluid and with their horses like the true classics. Of course, again I say they all ride better than I do, but I would not say that this is the hayday for paragons of form over fences.

[PonyJumperGRL]

I thought all of the pictures were pretty darn good...Popsicle, I particularly love yours!

[Illyria]

Far from perfect, but here's one that I don't think is too bad. If nothing else, the horse is jumping well.

Picture (http://community.webshots.com/photo/93350783/93351777jTOSjT)

[Party Rose]

THIS (http://community.webshots.com/photo/173097229/199980762eGgodt) is a shot I took last weekend, while getting my camera settings together for a client that was going into the ring next. Same coloring, which was great for me.

Though it's not a "perfect" example, it's pretty darn cute. I also have no idea as to who it is, so if anyone knows, please PT/PM me with the information. It was just one of those spur of the moment/catch that horse shots.

[Equestriana]

Ok well i looked up pictures of what I consider decent EQ

The basic leg/lower body position - http://trumbullmtn.com/Saddle_Pics/New_ccpics/stardr.JPG

Not sure the rider - http://www.sebastiansproducts.com/shamrockplanks-stamped.jpg

Not sure the rider - http://www.ridgeviewstables.ca/images/ASolomon-Hunter-300.jpg

Her arms could be bent more, not sure who she it - http://www.saddlelakeequestrian.com/resultsall/BeatOfMyArt.jpg

[Madeline]

Let me add a few: Go to the Chado Farms website (www.chadofarm.net (http://www.chadofarm.net)) There are photos of Laura Chapot on Little Big Man ( in teh Newsworthy section) and on Hamar( in stallions) that are even better than all the rest...

Edited to give the correct URL

[Anticipation]

The only pictures that show decent eq that have been posted on here are Madeline's.

[vahunterjumper]

Well then, Antictipation, if you think you are the expert, why don't you share some of your eq pictures with us?

Most of the pictures posted have been of juniors that have fairly good equitation. No, they are not perfect. Each has minor faults, but this is hwy they are not professionals. They are still pretty darn good and could probably win an eq class here and there http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

If you are going to criticize so harshly, please be able to back up your mean statements.

[Diva98]

*popsicle* I thought your shots showed a good, functional rider who's form complimented her horse - which is what I think of when I think of good eq. Obviously, a lovely position is nice, but I would rather see a good rider with some slight position flaws than a rider posing. If you look at the pictures posted of G. Morris and M. Matz - their position isn't picture perfect, but their equitation is great because they are responding to their horses. (BTW - I think that picture of Matz and Jet Run is awesome - I loved that horse!)

I think all of the pictures posted showed young riders with good positions - and yes some flaws. But there was no reason to get nasty.

[dcm]

Another junior pic. Its the start of a turn, mid air in a USET qualifier, so maybe it is not the best for position of the hands.

[EStieg12]

Even though I think we can learn from ALL Eq pictures I took mine down - people are crabby.

[Madeline]

If you look back to the OP's question, she wanted really good...

IMO, perfect( or even really good) MUST include a solid leg and a following, independent hand.

But I'm an old fart...

[Gunnar]

Ok, I will be brave and join in on the fun.
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif First of all I wish I could ride like Laura but alas I cannot. Great pictures of her on Little Big Man. Great hands.

Now on to the entertainment.

I have a picture of old lady Steph and Gunnar (Old Man QH). http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I think http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif my equitation is pretty good for a Rerider who did not really have great eq as a Junior in the 70's http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Don't be too harsh and I know I do not have a following independent hand but a pretty good crest release. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif


Steph
http://community.webshots.com/photo/185757178/185764596ORhQEt

[sienna&shot's]

Madeline, Those pic's of Laura Chapot were awesome. Thanks for sharing the website...

[RugBug]

Someone posted a picture last May or June or so that was amazing. The poster was an A/A riding a leased dark bay mare w/ a blaze who would get a little strong/spooky. I beleive she was from Canada, at an indoor show and the fence being jumped was about 3'. One of the best eq pictures I've seen posted on this board. I did a search to find the post, but haven't been able to locate it.

Illyria: I like the one of you on Holiday over the liverpool. You look like you got a tiny, tiny, tiny bit left but everything is still soft and all the angles are beautiful. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[Anticipation]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by vahunterjumper:
Well then, Antictipation, if you think you are the expert, why don't you share some of your eq pictures with us?

Most of the pictures posted have been of juniors that have fairly good equitation. No, they are not perfect. Each has minor faults, but this is hwy they are not professionals. They are still pretty darn good and could probably win an eq class here and there http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

If you are going to criticize so harshly, please be able to back up your mean statements. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I NEVER said my equitation was perfect....if you want me to go back and tell you why I think each picture does NOT demonstrate good equitation, I will gladly do so.

[reppy]

Bigeq.com actually has a video of Ana Ousouljoglou's HBO Winning trip. Its really really good. I know its not a picture but I just thought I'd let you know http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Coreene]

You know who had some of the best eq photos? Dublin's photos of herself. I think I have the link somewhere, I will look. They are divine.

[Anticipation]

http://hometown.aol.com/vtskinneeskinnee/myhomepage/photo.html

Here is a photo of the equitation queen herself, Missy Clark. It hink so far this is the position that is "closest to perfect".

Her heel is down, her lower leg is firmly in place without pinching, her eyes are up, her back is flat, she is not ducking, he is out of the saddle a perfect amount, her hand is independent and following her horses mouth without restricting him.

[crackerjack]

Thanks for all the responses guys... keep'em coming....and I am ignoring any negative comments http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif !!!

[Illyria]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RugBug:
Illyria: I like the one of you on Holiday over the liverpool. You look like you got a tiny, tiny, tiny bit left but everything is still soft and all the angles are beautiful. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif . I think I did get left behind there - I'm not sure how the picture turned out so well.

[BAC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Madeline:
Nelson Pessoa? Mary Mairs Chapot? George Morris? Michael Matz? William Steinkraus?
Just my opinion, of course. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

IMO Mary Mairs Chapot was one of the most classic stylists ever and I was fortunate enough to watch her ride on the USET for several years, love Joe Fargis and Conrad Homfeld too.

And although maybe not perfect eq the pictures posted showed very nice positions I thought.

And how could I forget Bill Steinkraus, another favorite.

[Ni]

I think one of the classiest eq riders is Brianne Goutal. Her upper body and hands are beautiful and always in control. She often uses automatic releases instead of a crest release, and it looks classy, stylish- and most important she's so effective, too. She also has a solid base of support through her leg and heel. Lovely to watch. I wish I had a photo to post.

[RugBug]

Pocket Pony has a very nice picture of herself on Miles. It's not perfect, but is pretty darn good. Maybe she'll venture over here and post it? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Quinn]

Truly a beautiful following hand here. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

[archieflies]

Quinn-
The leg stayed pretty intact too... aha! I deem THAT perfect equitation! Anticipation, is that what you were going for? Only the best, only the best...

[EStieg12]

edited to remove the photo - people are snarky!

[Boston Chicken]

WOW - I would take that eq! and after 5 years???? HOLY STROMBOLI.

[Windsor]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RugBug:
Pocket Pony has a very nice picture of herself on Miles. It's not perfect, but is pretty darn good. Maybe she'll venture over here and post it? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I bet I know the one you mean! I think GM would approve!

[EStieg12]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Boston Chicken:
WOW - I would take that eq! and after 5 years???? HOLY STROMBOLI. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif Thank you for the compliment.

[Cindeye]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Anticipation:
http://hometown.aol.com/vtskinneeskinnee/myhomepage/photo.html

Here is a photo of the equitation queen herself, Missy Clark. It hink so far this is the position that is "closest to perfect".

Her heel is down, her lower leg is firmly in place without pinching, her eyes are up, her back is flat, she is not ducking, he is out of the saddle a perfect amount, her hand is independent and following her horses mouth without restricting him. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

God I hated showing eq against her growing up in Buffalo! It didn't help that her legs are about 6x longer than mine either. Other than the fact she beat me in eq constantly, she's a great person http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[nycjumper]

Quinn http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Esteig - I think you look very nice, I'd take that eq in a heartbeat http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[Silver_Lining]

What do ya think? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

http://i.myspace.com/58/98/2318985/13763227_l.JPG

[Diva98]

Silver Lining - wow, what a jump! I sure couldn't keep my form as well as you do and stay with your horse.

From that angle, it is tough to tell everything, but I can see that your eyes are up and looking ahead and your leg looks good. Your seat may be a touch too far out of the tack, but again, it might just be the angle. And it looks like your horse packs a lot of oomph in his jump. He looks like fun!

[Party Rose]

Gunnar Hey,I'll take that position as a rerider. Give yourself MORE credit, PLEASE.

Here's (http://community.webshots.com/photo/175962533/176061013NDjsfH) a photo of James Hulick. It is not his best, but he was an awesome hunter/jumper/eq rider. His elbows are a bit like bird wings in this photo, but I love it just the same. It was on the cover of the October 1969 "Horses" magazine.

Geroge Morris describes James as "Workmanlike polish: James Hulick, from his tailored clothes to his horse's condition to his excellent form, is a study in show ring presentation; yet there are no artificial frills. He and Tiny's Thoughts are the epitome of an equitation-junior hunter combination."

If you want a variety of good equitation shots, grab a copy of George's book, "Hunt Seat Equitation". There are some incrediable equitation shots in there. Even George on the cover is pretty darn impressable.

[EStieg12]

Thanks NYCJumper!

Just a random question - what is the standard definition of a rerider? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Boston Chicken]

silverlining - nice position! You look like you might be sticking your chin out to help your horse but it's hard to tell from this angle. Let me tell you as a true chicken, airy verticals make me cluck!

[Silver_Lining]

Thanks guys, I definately don't have perfect eq, but I thought that pic as blurry as it is, wasn't all too bad!hehe

I was looking thru gms's book and if you can find the pic of Jim Kohn.. it just plain awesomeness. Im trying to scan it but my computer is giving me trouble...

edited to add: I found part of it on another website, weird color though...

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/7078/jimkohn.jpg

[OneonOne]

How about this one?

http://www.pbase.com/czeiner/image/35056430

I'd say it's a pretty nice display of a straight line from bit to elbow, and the lower leg looks fairly solid beneath the rider.

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[EStieg12]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OneonOne:
How about this one?

http://www.pbase.com/czeiner/image/35056430.

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hehe.. whoops. Quite the opportune picture moment.

[Silver_Lining]

lol reminds me of a picture of me. The picture didnt show me slowly slide down my horses neck and land mouth open into the dirt!!

[Gunnar]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Party Rose:
_Gunnar _ Hey,I'll take that position as a rerider. Give yourself MORE credit, PLEASE.

Geroge Morris describes James as "Workmanlike polish:
]

Party Rose thanks for the compliment. I had to laugh that George has been known to say Old Steph is from the old school and very effective (even if he says I ride by the seat of my pants sometimes) He does not like my stirrup position and constantly yells, "Stephanne put your stirrup nearer you toe" and I cannot. We have argued but I cannot keep my foot there. Try as I might.

[SBT]

nm

[2487lyf]

This was from a few years ago on my old pony. It's not perfect, but I think it's probably the best Eq pic of me that I have (Nattie jumps too round... my eq is absent on him). I think that if my stirrups hadn't been so short (my legs hung below her belly if I dropped my stirrups), then my butt wouldn't have been so high, and then it would have been near perfect IMO.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/74478767/74479816pIMQFk

[BAC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Silver_Lining:
Thanks guys, I definately don't have perfect eq, but I thought that pic as blurry as it is, wasn't all too bad!hehe

I was looking thru gms's book and if you can find the pic of Jim Kohn.. it just plain awesomeness. Im trying to scan it but my computer is giving me trouble...

edited to add: I found part of it on another website, weird color though...

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/7078/jimkohn.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I saw Jim Kohn ride as a junior, he was flawless, in fact didn't he win either the Medal and/or Maclay finals? Whatever happened to him is he still involved with horses?
And PR, I also remember James Hulick, he was one of my favorites for years, another beautiful rider.

[Gunnar]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SBT:
Well, http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=showMyPhoto&albumID=198623322&photoID=198644536&security=srZQSMisn't so bad, I just wish it was taken a second later. Oh...and my loopy rein is because he's green over fences. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>cannot see the picture.

Also, looking at the Jim K's eq I wondered if you would get judged well now. I do not see this type of form in current eq ranks. More perching and posing. I am curious how George would judge Jim K now.

[LostMySock515]

Okay, I'll give this a try. These are far from perfect I think, but relatively good eq. in general.

Eq 1 (http://community.webshots.com/photo/165307378/165305375hiImpF)

Eq 2 (http://community.webshots.com/photo/190445853/190446819BKZHSt)

Eq 3 (http://community.webshots.com/photo/150721438/150719840OnxOwB)

Eq 4 (http://community.webshots.com/photo/113180630/113180630rQlQYO)

Edited to say the last pic isnt me, it's my horse with his previous trainer in Canada. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Heinz 57]

I'm not perfect either, but I'll give it a shot.
http://www.PictureTrail.com/gid5442990

Absolutely no comments about any of these 3 horses form.. they are all EXTREMELY clean jumpers despite their lack of style at times. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Diva98]

LostMySock - that 3rd picture is beautiful!

Please note, I am not sharing any pictures of myself, because my eq leaves a lot to be desired. Which is why I love to be an A/A Hunter rider! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[*In Vogue*]

wow some people are pretty harsh http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[dcm]

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif No comments on the picture I posted? Just in case ya'll missed it on page 1, I'll post it again. Its a good one, not quite perfect.

(PS - yes, I've ordered copies http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif)

[Boston Chicken]

DCM - Lovely picture. Beautiful combination.

[Other]

I can understand if people feel offended by the "harsh criticism", but I don't think any of the comments posted here yet are intended to be personal attacks or are mean-spirited. I think they are just responses to the original poster's request.

She was looking for "really good eq photos"-in fact, looking for the few "perfect photos" out there. Agreed-most of the pics were of juniors, and are nice pics indeed.

However, I'll agree that the most are far from "perfect photos". Not that they SHOULD be perfect, not that there's anything wrong with them...just that there haven't really been many picture perfect, textbook form shots. That's all.

This is not to contest the notion that picture perfect form means the most effective... we all know that some of the best pros out there jumping ride with slightly unorthodox positions to get the most out of their horses/communincate the most effectively.

[Weatherford]

What I find fascinating in comparing the old pictures with the new is that in the old pictures, we are so much more RELAXED and PART of our horses - I think this is especially true if you look at the picture of the (unfortunately, late) Jimmy Hulick compared to the other Jr Hunter pictures posted. But also true of the jumper shots.

My question is why? Does the forever "crest release" get in the way of "FEEL"? Certainly leaning on one's hands or "supporting your upper body with your hands" does!

Does anyone do the no reins, no stirrups grid anymroe with arms out to the side? Or jumping bareback? Why all the posing?

I see SO many (at all levels)setting their hands and preventing their horses from truly using their head, necks, and backs - I find it quite depressing! The problem is, it is VERY HARD TO STOP using the crest release once you have "learned" that it is correct AND all the photos you see are people using it!

OK, I've said it - now can I do it... Here is an auto release - and, yup I am looking slightly down, but it was the last fence, I was allowed. ($10,000 jumper class in 1973 - a LONG time ago....)

[Windsor]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dcm:
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif No comments on the picture I posted? Just in case ya'll missed it on page 1, I'll post it again. Its a good one, not quite perfect.

(PS - yes, I've ordered copies http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Looks pretty darn good to me, but is the release too short? The horse's head is actually behind the vertical.

[Windsor]

My copy of A Field of Horses is in my car, and I would sure love to scan a couple of the pictures in here. Two old ('60s maybe?) photos of Ellie Wood Keith Baxter and Noel Twyman spring to mind. Like Weatherford said, I think both photos are exemplary in terms of showing a relaxed horse and relaxed rider--talk about making it look easy. The photo captions say pretty much the same thing.

[Horsaholic]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dcm:
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif No comments on the picture I posted? Just in case ya'll missed it on page 1, I'll post it again. Its a good one, not quite perfect.

(PS - yes, I've ordered copies http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif)[/QUOTE

I think this photo looks gorgeous!. The only thing that might be a factor to me is the release looks just a tad short.. I wish I could look that good! Gorgeous horse too! You look great together!!

[Horsaholic]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Quinn:
Truly a beautiful following hand here. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Love it Quinn http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif The question remains, did you stay on or?

[EStieg12]

I think that perfect eq all depends on a number of factors. The judges today DO pin the "Pose" - as ineffective as it may be - that is the style that is winning these days. IMO - All these pictures demonstrate "good eq" through the ages and different disciplines. I mean, Laura Chapot looks great on those jumpers but that look wouldn't win an big eq class today. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Weatherford]

I think that would depend very much on the judge! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Diva98]

I don't know if judges pin the pose - maybe that is more true on the flat, but I think that the most effectively ridden course is going to win the class. Maybe that's just wishful thinking???

[EStieg12]

Well, yeah, of course you have to ride the course effectively but I do think there is a pretty stereotypical "look" a lot of judges seem to be pinning these days. Just an observation - didn't say I agree with it.

[dcm]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Weatherford:OK, I've said it - now can I do it... Here is an auto release - and, yup I am looking slightly down, but it was the last fence, I was allowed. ($10,000 jumper class in 1973 - a LONG time ago....) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very lovely!

In the picture I posted, yes his head looks behind the verticle, but they are starting a slight turn over the fence which is why you see her hand dropped below the withers. You can float the reins at this horse and he will still curl his head up (and fall over the fence, too). He's an eq horse, flat & head up.

Thanks for the compliments. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif She's a beautiful and natural rider, one that we hope people will watch in the medals over the next couple of years.

[RugBug]

dcm, is that your daughter? I know you let another person ride Arthur so I'm not sure if it's her or the other young lady.

Whoever it is, it is a FANTASTIC picture. Just lovely.

[Ketch]

Weatherford, very well put. I totally agree with you.

[Sebastian]

I will admit that I'm NOT a big fan of the current trends of "Big Eq," I do think there is too much "posing" being rewarded. And, back when I was a whipper-snapper, Equitation was not an end unto itself. Good Eq meant good riding and was necessary for the challenges ahead that would be presented in the Jumper ring.

But, that said, most of the posted pics are of people who look like safe and accomplished riders, having fun (which is still my top priority). http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And, I'm with you Weatherford, when will we stop using the (less effective in my opinion) "crest" release and return to the far more productive "automatic" release? See the link I've added for case in point! LOL.

http://www.showjumpinghalloffame.net/inductees/k_kusner.shtml

Now, THAT'S an inspiring ride...

Seb http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Madeline]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EStieg12:
I think that perfect eq all depends on a number of factors. The judges today DO pin the "Pose" - as ineffective as it may be - that is the style that is winning these days. IMO - All these pictures demonstrate "good eq" through the ages and different disciplines. I mean, Laura Chapot looks great on those jumpers but that look wouldn't win an big eq class today. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why not? And is that a GOOD thing?


I think not...

[EStieg12]

I think it is hard for us younger riders who never got to experience the true "Auto-Release" era in the hunters. I think it is still being utilized in the jumpers but not nearly as much as it should, in the hunters. I would have loved to been around to see it!
But a lot of us "New schoolers" have been taught to pose and look pretty. I know I am a good rider but I will be the first to admit that I can't do an auto-release worth beans.
But I do think there are plenty of good riders out there utilizing the "new style".

[Ketch]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>But a lot of us "New schoolers" have been taught to pose and look pretty <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, then I think that's a poor reflection on today's teachers.

[EStieg12]

Madeline - that is why I added the http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif because I don't agree with it either but in the shows I have been in lately - looking pretty wins. Lame in my opinion but I ain't the judge! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[EStieg12]

I don't think it is a reflection of the teachers - I think it is a reflection of judging. It's human nature to want to WIN when competing and if judges are not pinning the "correct" ride, and are pinning the "pretty" ride, trainers are going to TEACH the pretty ride. Winning is good for teachers because it make the clients happy. I never said I agreed with the current trend but I also don't agree with blaming it on the teachers.

[levi]

There was a photo of Laura Chapot on Sprite in the Chronicle a couple of weeks ago. Pretty darn close to perfect if you ask me!!!

[LostMySock515]

About the auto-release - I agree with what everyone has been saying that the automatic releae is not taught enough!!

My trainer is a BIG advocate of the automatic release, but she also feels that it's something that a rider can be trained to do, but more of something a rider should learn to feel out on their own.

So I've been practicing, and I have it pretty solid, but I dont think it's solid enough to use it in the eq.(which I'd like to start doing soon) but I constantly use one in the jumpers.

And about the judging, I honestly don't know if the judges would pin the auto over another rider who was using a crest, especially if even though the first rider had a nice round, the second rider was "prettier".

But I don't know, maybe that's just what I've noticed happing in the equitation.

[Nor_Cal_Gal]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BAC:

I saw Jim Kohn ride as a junior, he was flawless, in fact didn't he win either the Medal and/or Maclay finals? Whatever happened to him is he still involved with horses?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">Sadly, Jim Kohn passed away several years ago. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif (I think it was due to throat cancer.) He did win one of the national finals...I think the AHSA. I believe his horse...actually, originally his sister's, was called Stonehenge (Sp) You know, the place in England http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif</span>

[Equestriana]

Heres a few more pics of great EQ:

Frank Chapot: http://www.showjumpinghalloffame.net/gfx/sjhf_inductees/f_chapot2.jpg

Mickey Walsh, You cant say thats not impressive! http://www.showjumpinghalloffame.net/gfx/sjhf_inductees/m_walsh2.jpg

[Ketch]

EStieg,

A good judge will reward effective, fluid, unposed and effortless eq. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

I stand by my assertion that teaching kids to pose with that floaty, overpronounced crest release is abysmal teaching.

[PTDeaconHP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MsMarley:
*cough_PTDeaconHP_cough* <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow! Thanks so much!!

My equitation isn't perfect by any means, but I will share pictures! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://community.webshots.com/photo/70782462/100613411bzWDlq
http://community.webshots.com/photo/70782462/100605720EwPRIn
http://community.webshots.com/photo/100605409/158136437ivAFCc
http://community.webshots.com/photo/100605409/179135214oNYiay
http://community.webshots.com/photo/100609928/146723983aOWFOw This one isn't all that great, but oh well

[ponierider101]

i love your eq. PTDeaconHP http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[SaddlePotato3]

Looks pretty damn good to me PTDeacon. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Beethoven]

This is my favorite eq picture of me. Not great, but oh well.

oops wrong pic..
this is the one i meant to post: okay eq (http://community.webshots.com/photo/83094262/83094262GRSCjE)

Critique away!

[PTDeaconHP]

Thanks, Ponyrider and saddlepotato!!


Ok, random question, but does anyone know how to upload videos from a digital camera onto the computer? (Done being random now http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

[VWScully]

I don't think I look too bad here?? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
(In an Eq. class; we got 2nd http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif and my Coach liked the pic.) I just think my helmet looks retarded :|
May 21 Niagara Challenge Eq. (http://www3.sympatico.ca/elkesieg/Equestrian/images/bentleymay21.jpg)

[Pocket Pony]

Wow, a shout out to Pocket Pony? I am so flattered!

Here's the picture of me on Miles. (http://community.webshots.com/photo/106154542/136019324rEoafE)

Here's a photo of me on Paddy on the flat. (http://community.webshots.com/photo/196925021/196925021EYjBLu)

And here's one of me and Paddy over a XC fence. (http://community.webshots.com/photo/196936117/196936117RTNiAO) This was my FIRST XC FENCE EVER!!!! So I was grabbing mane!!! I think my leg looks ok, though.

[archieflies]

On the whole automatic/crest thing... I grew up kinda teaching myself to ride. Jumping was definitely an on my own thing... maybe not a safe idea, but I turned out ok... Anyways, I just sorta did it how it happened, not thinking about how I was releasing or what I looked like, but how I was gettign the horse to perform. I ended up with more of an auto release, not perfect, but I never would have dreamed up ducking into a crest release, especially over the relatively small jumps I was going over- why be more forward than the horse sent me, when I wouldn't feel balanced that way? Fast forward a few years and I start riding with a trainer, and I go into the jumpers- trainer feels no need to change my style-- its effective, I'm balanced, I'm not bothering the horse. Naturally I'm a little lower over the neck over a bigger fence, but I didn't make a practice of it... now I'm riding IHSA and just pointed up to Novice, so I have to totally relearn jumping... aaargh so frustrating... I go over the way that feels natural, balanced, safe and effective... coach says "No, no no, flex your hips a little more, drop that body just a bit." I try again, figuring she's goign for the hunter duck... I give it a try, and she says "You look like your hips aren't working right." Sooo frustrating, because I want to do well, but MAN this feels so unnatural. of course my hips weren't agreeing... it just doesn't feel smooth at all... oh well, I'm learning to fake it, and apparently it looks ok, because the reviews have been good. but i still go home and ride the jumpers by feel. its like another world

[Cindeye]

PTDeacon...still love that trotting pic. One of the prettiest shots I've even seen (I still pop it up to show Annie after her lessons). And, you're no slouch O/F either!

[Threedaychick]

Wow Equestriana that picture is amazing. I can barely jump 2' bareback let alone.. how ever ginormous that vertical and with no bridle too boot. One day... that will be me. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Illyria]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by archieflies:
On the whole automatic/crest thing... I grew up kinda teaching myself to ride. Jumping was definitely an on my own thing... maybe not a safe idea, but I turned out ok... Anyways, I just sorta did it how it happened, not thinking about how I was releasing or what I looked like, but how I was gettign the horse to perform. I ended up with more of an auto release, not perfect, but I never would have dreamed up ducking into a crest release, especially over the relatively small jumps I was going over- why be more forward than the horse sent me, when I wouldn't feel balanced that way? Fast forward a few years and I start riding with a trainer, and I go into the jumpers- trainer feels no need to change my style-- its effective, I'm balanced, I'm not bothering the horse. Naturally I'm a little lower over the neck over a bigger fence, but I didn't make a practice of it... now I'm riding IHSA and just pointed up to Novice, so I have to totally relearn jumping... aaargh so frustrating... I go over the way that feels natural, balanced, safe and effective... coach says "No, no no, flex your hips a little more, drop that body just a bit." I try again, figuring she's goign for the hunter duck... I give it a try, and she says "You look like your hips aren't working right." Sooo frustrating, because I want to do well, but MAN this feels so unnatural. of course my hips weren't agreeing... it just doesn't feel smooth at all... oh well, I'm learning to fake it, and apparently it looks ok, because the reviews have been good. but i still go home and ride the jumpers by feel. its like another world <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wonder if that's why it's called an automatic release - you automatically do it because it feels better?

I'm better in the air when I'm not leaning on my hands too, but the crest release, for me, is so much easier, especially now that I haven't been riding a lot and lost my base.

[Equestriana]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Wow Equestriana that picture is amazing. I can barely jump 2' bareback let alone.. how ever ginormous that vertical and with no bridle too boot. One day... that will be me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh i know, i would be on the ground on the other side of the jump if i tried.. lol

[ADambra]

To everyone who has said that judges today are pinning "posing" in the air - They aren't pinning the round based on the rider's particular form in the air, they pin on who has the smoothest 8 jumps. As affective as a lot of the top eq riders today are, I have a feeling if judges took a snapshot and judged the class by a picture of each rider in the air, the results would be quite different.

[PTDeaconHP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cindeye:
PTDeacon...still love that trotting pic. One of the prettiest shots I've even seen (I still pop it up to show Annie after her lessons). And, you're no slouch O/F either! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, you are so nice! Thank you so much!

I'm doing big eq next year, and it will be my only year (as it will be my last junior year), but I'm going to try to make a go of it! (what a supremely awkward sentence lol). Whether I end up qualifying for everything or not though, I think it will be a great experience!

[dcm]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RugBug:
dcm, is that your daughter? I know you let another person ride Arthur so I'm not sure if it's her or the other young lady.

Whoever it is, it is a FANTASTIC picture. Just lovely. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is rider #2. Dtr wishes she rode that well, and fully believes watching this one ride Arthur helped improve her own. Thank you, I love the pic, too, especially with the foggy background. I ordered an 8x10 for the barn photo gallery, and a couple of prints for Arthur's portfolio. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I recall several times listening to our trainer say so-and-so was working too hard on being pretty instead of riding. She and our co-trainer "tag-team" the equitation training. One teaches technique, the other how to look pretty doing it. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

PTDeaconHP, love that first photo, expecially it being in black & white.

Not everyone can look as well as these photos show. They all show pretty decent, if not great eq. I used to have a photo from the 60's or 70's of someone jumping a puissance with near perfect leg over the top. I think it was on the old pc we cleaned up and gave to my father-in-law. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[shmon]

Pocket Pony, that is a great shot of you and Miles. I love that picture! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Boston Chicken]

I have to comment on Fiction's shot. Very impressive!

[nycjumper]

Anyone have an eq on the flat picture to show? I have a friend who is switching from dressage to h/j & her leg is contstantly too far back. I want to show her a pic of ideal position on the flat so she has an idea what trainer is asking her for. Cheers.

[Illyria]

This site (http://www.wbvc.bc.ca/photos.htm) has a pretty good flat pic at the very bottom of the page.

[AtFirstSight]

I really loved Madeline's post with the gray that "might be cavalier." I know it's not perfect but i'd be pretty content if could just like that! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Magnolia]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Does anyone have any really good equitation photos... be it on the flat or over fences... Many of the phots I see from even the big eq classes don't really look like great examples of what good equitation should be!! I know its hard to get the perfect photo but there must be some out there!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think "good equitation" means changing your position to accomodate the situation. Does that make sense? I think that what wins in a 3'6 equitaition class is essentially a showing of bodily control - a demonstration that you have the control and security to jump a 5' oxer and can adjust to not interfering with a greenie overjumping a cross rail - make sense? From there, you may have a jumper rider on a balky horse in a defensive position (good form if you are on a stopper!), or the overly relaxed hunter rider showing off how little he needs to do.

I think if you looked back at some Olympics pics, some of our riders - McLain Ward comes to mind, have lovely eq - never seen a photo where his leg looks less than perfect!. IMO, most of the eq riders I see, look very stiff - then of course, you see a photo of them doing junior jumpers and they look relaxed!

[Chef Jade]

OK - hear it goes...

This is Chef and I back when I was a junior rider. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Gosh - that's over 10 years ago! Seems like yesterday - only I wish I still had this position!

I could deffinitely used a auto release, but back then the crest release wasy still the thing to do.

[Nikki^]

Pocket Pony: You EQ is PERFECT! I think most of the pictures are great examples of correct eq. I'm teaching myself how to do the suto release by holding the reins like a driver would. I flat like that and then pop over some low verticles (2'3 to 2'6) and it helps out a lot. My horse also seems to crack his back harder when I hold the reins that way.

I did do the auto release once last week and let me tell you, it was the most wonderful feeling. Everything just fell into place..I can't explain it, it just felt correct.

I'm going to see George Morris tomorrow so hopefully I can see the auto release in motion.

[BAC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nikki^:
Pocket Pony: You EQ is PERFECT! I think most of the pictures are great examples of correct eq. I'm teaching myself how to do the suto release by holding the reins like a driver would. I flat like that and then pop over some low verticles (2'3 to 2'6) and it helps out a lot. My horse also seems to crack his back harder when I hold the reins that way.

I did do the auto release once last week and let me tell you, it was the most wonderful feeling. Everything just fell into place..I can't explain it, it just felt correct.

I'm going to see George Morris tomorrow so hopefully I can see the auto release in motion. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is so smart of you to use a driving rein. I don't have the book in front of me but in School for Young Riders there is a photo of Colonel (?) Alex Sysin on Light Heart (I think thats who it is) jumping using the driving rein, what a beautiful example it is.

[Cindeye]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nycjumper:
Anyone have an eq on the flat picture to show? I have a friend who is switching from dressage to h/j & her leg is contstantly too far back. I want to show her a pic of ideal position on the flat so she has an idea what trainer is asking her for. Cheers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I use this one:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/100605409/179135214oNYiay
Great leg position, great balance. The heel could be a little lower, but I'd put her at the head of the class any time.

[Other]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VWScully:
I don't think I look too bad here?? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
(In an Eq. class; we got 2nd http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif and my Coach liked the pic.) I just think my helmet looks retarded :|
http://www3.sympatico.ca/elkesieg/Equestrian/images/bentleymay21.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your horse is too cute! I just love his coloring. What is he?

[MAD]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EStieg12:
I think that perfect eq all depends on a number of factors. The judges today DO pin the "Pose" - as ineffective as it may be - that is the style that is winning these days. IMO - All these pictures demonstrate "good eq" through the ages and different disciplines. I mean, Laura Chapot looks great on those jumpers but that look wouldn't win an big eq class today. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


EStieg12, I found 2 articles by George Morris that are not recent but worth reading. I haven't watched much equitation recently, but I find it hard to believe that "posed" is going to win over "effective".

"Posed", as George wrote, could not answer the questions his course asked.

Why Could So Few Juniors Answer The Questions Our Course Asked? - November 1, 2002 Issue
http://chronofhorse.com/index.php?cat=40311030495963&nav=Top&amenu=22705043345578&z_get_Article_ID=12705043581853&Year=&Month=


http://chronofhorse.com/index.php?cat=40311030495963&nav=Top&amenu=102703042980175&z_get_Article_ID=12705044166310&Year=&Month=

[Beethoven]

So I uploaded another picture. I cut my horse out because it was not his best jump. I like my leg in this jumping picture, but I could be sitting up more and have a flatter back.

Here is the pic:Another okay eq (http://community.webshots.com/photo/51148860/200559900VqddUB)

Edited to remove a pic and say critique! I am far far far from perfect, but I would like to know what others think of my picture.

[Nor_Cal_Gal]

That is so smart of you to use a driving rein. I don't have the book in front of me but in School for Young Riders there is a photo of Colonel (?) Alex Sysin on Light Heart (I think thats who it is) jumping using the driving rein, what a beautiful example it is.[/QUOTE]

Alex was a fine horseman, talented artist, and a wonderful gentleman! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif I'm so pleased that his name came up and someone remembers him. When he was much older and retired, he lived on my dad's training stable property in a small apt. my dad gave him. In the 70s, he worked with my best friend using the driving rein to help her understand jumping out of hand better. Alex is buried in New Castle not far from my parents' ranch.

[S4zeus]

Beethoven-the first picture you uploaded was amazing. Your horse is soaring heart first over that jump. That was a huge spot!

[Nikki^]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BAC:

That is so smart of you to use a driving rein. I don't have the book in front of me but in School for Young Riders there is a photo of Colonel (?) Alex Sysin on Light Heart (I think thats who it is) jumping using the driving rein, what a beautiful example it is. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I read it in my book "Training Showjumpers." It's such a different feeling when you use the driving rein.

[BAC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nor_Cal_Gal:
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Alex was a fine horseman, talented artist, and a wonderful gentleman! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif I'm so pleased that his name came up and someone remembers him. When he was much older and retired, he lived on my dad's training stable property in a small apt. my dad gave him. In the 70s, he worked with my best friend using the driving rein to help her understand jumping out of hand better. Alex is buried in New Castle not far from my parents' ranch.[/QUOTE]

That beautiful picture of him has always stayed in my mind, its a shame there aren't more horseman like that nowadays. You were lucky to have known him. I also once rode with someone who taught a driving rein, what a difference it makes in developing a light hand and feel of the horse's mouth.

[Beethoven]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by S4zeus:
Beethoven-the first picture you uploaded was amazing. Your horse is soaring heart first over that jump. That was a huge spot! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks!! I love Noah in that picture. It was a two stride I think and we got in short so I had to push to get out! That was the GHJA Junior medal finals and I ended up 3rd behind two awesome riders!! I was so happy.

[SBT]

I think there is a lot to be said for "perfect" equitation, and I have great respect for anyone who even gets close to that ideal. However, I've also come to realize that picture-book form is simply not possible on every horse over every jump, and I think it's better for a rider to go WITH their horse instead of fighting to maintain the "correct" body position when it's inappropriate to do so. To me, the "posers" are the riders whose form does not closely mirror the horse's jump. And even though I love GM to pieces, I think he's got all of us OCD-prone riders nit-picking ourselves to death. Before and after we break down a rider's position to individually judge all of its components, we need to look at the WHOLE picture. Is the horse being hurt or hindered in any way? Is the rider's position a dangerous one? I think if the answer to these two questions is "no," then one's equitation can't be too far off the mark. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[MAD]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>An error has occurred.

You do not appear to be the owner of this album.
Make sure you are logged in.

Please push the Back button on your browser to correct this problem.
Thank you. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

SBT~Can you fix this? Every link you post to your album this happens. Earlier links on this thread, too. I believe someone else mentioned it a few pages back.

[SBT]

nm

[Illyria]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SBT:
That's really wierd...I know the links are right, and my albums are public. I don't understand what's going on. But http://community.webshots.com/user/sbt78lw is the link to my main page; maybe this will work.

Sorry! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You have to link from your community page, not your albums page or it won't work, even if the albums are public.

[SBT]

nm

[Little Indian]

yes they do

[VWScully]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Other:

Your horse is too cute! I just love his coloring. What is he? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif He was a Paint/TB. He was my friend's horse and we shared him during my last year of Undergrad studies since she was also a Student and it was a way for us to both continue riding and afford it http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif She showed Jumper with him and I did the 3' Hunters and Eq. He was great fun and NEVER refused a fence; he was a great confidence booster and all I had to do was steer http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif (He did like to go fast though http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif ).
She sold him to someone in NY but I don't know where he is now http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

[lilbayhunter]

I'm not really an EQ rider but I have a few that are okay:
Okay (http://community.webshots.com/photo/134925513/181898628mlFTUj) This one's pretty good.
Ahead (http://community.webshots.com/photo/134925513/141645837PQjNKB) I'm jumping a little ahead here.
Flat (http://community.webshots.com/photo/134925513/176825777CMNcaA) Okay flat picture.

[Charlotte]

I have some that I think are okay:
My hands could be better but oh well (http://community.webshots.com/photo/68306795/72996425zKSBjk)
My leg is off his side but other than that I think it's actually decent (http://community.webshots.com/photo/68306795/89686314OkOypz)
Ducking but otherwise I like it (http://community.webshots.com/photo/103348400/103348444KPeWlo)
I HATE my hands here (super stiff horse) and my heel could be down more but I like my leg here (http://community.webshots.com/photo/187172794/187173836VccYVe)

Okay, so none of them are great, but there are things I like about each picture, and that's good, right? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[MAD]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Charlotte:
I have some <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Charlotte! I love the one of you and Parker at Old Salem in the USET. I remember your ribbon in the Childen's Jumper Classic at that show and remember how hard that course was (my friend rode in the Adults).

I had to peek at Boz's photos- I could look at his face all day http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Had to keep going and look at Hong Kong in your album. When are we going to see riding photos in there?

[Calumet'sDream]

I don't have any decent jumping ones as I haven't jumped since April (EPM, new OTT, etc)

My hands could be up a bit more but overall I like it (http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Oct/200410169077963420295603.jpg)

[SBT]

I think everybody's pics are really good! Some a bit more so than others, but they're all GOOD. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif We have some lovely riders on this BB. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Weatherford]

Take a look at the youngest Jayne kid in yesterday's COTH! Wonderful picture - though, a little shorter stirrups might allow her to drop her heel lower - but, wow, what an auto release! Definitely a picture to keep as an example!

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Dragoon]

I want to play now. I would, however, like to state that I believe the most classic, attractive, and correct equitation is that exhibited by some of the pictures of Frank Chapot and company. That's what I want to look like. But umm...on with the show. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://community.webshots.com/photo/81926668/81926824pkVLiW
The beginnings of a following hand if you look closely. (http://community.webshots.com/photo/81926668/81926780RGiEDA) http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Yet another attempt at a following hand. Whee. (http://community.webshots.com/photo/81922891/81923295vMsYVb) &lt;--- Jumpers are not my forte. So please stop laughing. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Trotting (http://community.webshots.com/photo/155142757/155724354HmtWbn)

[MistyBlue]

Dragoon...lovely as usual. (and expected, LOL) I really do like the new guy you've been working with. Your following hands are perfectly fine...especially in the jumpers. Function over form...not trying to paint a picture. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif A perfectly straight line isn't as desirable (unless in eq)as the right contact and independent seat, body and hands.

Weatherford...for those of us who do not get COTH...could you please post a picutre of the photo you've mentioned? I'd love to see it!

[TheJenners]

OK, I wanna play! First of all...some comments:

Looking at some of these pictures...holy cow, where do some of you find those gigantic greys? I saw two pictures I think of huge grey horses whose riders heels came to about the midline of their side. Monster horses!

As for my comments on what is going on with the crest release. Yeah, I think the auto-release is correct, but there are some crest releases who also seem to be following, if that makes sense. I've seen some good riding go along with the crest release. As for myself and what I use...heck if I know what's called. "getting out of the horse's way" is as close I can get to it. but, here are some pictures of me and some old horses I've had/ridden:

Not sure what I'm doing, it's a faze I went through. WAY loopy reins. (http://community.webshots.com/photo/119640999/119641319VLobnY)
I love my leg in this, but easy to do when you're not moving! (http://community.webshots.com/photo/119639032/184140019WxUWbT)

I've got some on a Connie, but I just put them on webshots, so if I'm remember I'll post them later.

[ADambra]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dragoon:
I want to play now. I would, however, like to state that I believe the most classic, attractive, and correct equitation is that exhibited by some of the pictures of Frank Chapot and company. That's what I want to look like. But umm...on with the show. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://community.webshots.com/photo/81926668/81926824pkVLiW
http://community.webshots.com/photo/81926668/81926780RGiEDA http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://community.webshots.com/photo/81922891/81923295vMsYVb &lt;--- Jumpers are not my forte. So please stop laughing. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://community.webshots.com/photo/155142757/155724354HmtWbn <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Even though I have already seen those pics so many times, I still love looking at them! Where have you been lately? We miss you on equichat.

[redford]

I wouldn't by any means say PERFECT eq. but I try http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif lol (http://community.webshots.com/user/rising_star101)
By the way, he's for sale so thats whats up with the last picture. And the person in the last pic with the tan jacket is my coach, Anne McKay (formerly Anne Auty) Personally, I think she has a PERFECT eq. and its the same on every horse she rides.

[*In Vogue*]

my eq isnt perfect in this pic but i think its pretty good.(it was good enuf to win my jumper medal that dayhttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) my elbows are a bit stuff and my wrists could be a bit more bent! (http://photobucket.com/albums/v386/KK-Digital-Images/Bluestar%20Aug%206-8/Nicole%20Cotie/?action=view&current=CatchMyDrift-Nikki21.jpg)

this pic would look cute if my head wasnt so weird! lol (http://photobucket.com/albums/v386/KK-Digital-Images/Bluestar%20Aug%206-8/Nicole%20Cotie/?action=view&current=CatchMyDrift-Nikki38.jpg)

this is ok but my leg is really far behind the girth!:S (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/KK-Digital-Images/Bluestar%20Aug%206-8/Nicole%20Cotie/CatchMyDrift-Nikki19.jpg)

What do you think?

[Dragoon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ADambra:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dragoon:
I want to play now. I would, however, like to state that I believe the most classic, attractive, and correct equitation is that exhibited by some of the pictures of Frank Chapot and company. That's what I want to look like. But umm...on with the show. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://community.webshots.com/photo/81926668/81926824pkVLiW
http://community.webshots.com/photo/81926668/81926780RGiEDA http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://community.webshots.com/photo/81922891/81923295vMsYVb &lt;--- Jumpers are not my forte. So please stop laughing. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://community.webshots.com/photo/155142757/155724354HmtWbn <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Even though I have already seen those pics so many times, I still love looking at them! Where have you been lately? We miss you on equichat. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you so much! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I've been busy with various projects, but with my schedule calming down I've found some time. I'm back around Echat too... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Looking4Trouble]

I'll play. These are by no means perfect...but I thought they looked allright, and I did pretty well at the show.
pic 1 (http://community.webshots.com/photo/107973644/154349021PnOsiz)
pic 2 (http://community.webshots.com/photo/107973644/164745900ETxmpz)
pic 3 (http://community.webshots.com/photo/107973644/193865455idBSYw)

[Charlotte]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MAD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Charlotte:
I have some <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Charlotte! I love the one of you and Parker at Old Salem in the USET. I remember your ribbon in the Childen's Jumper Classic at that show and remember how hard that course was (my friend rode in the Adults).

I had to peek at Boz's photos- I could look at his face all day http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Had to keep going and look at Hong Kong in your album. When are we going to see riding photos in there? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

MAD!
There are some riding photos in the "Raffles" album, I think-- nothing great, but it's halfway decent-- the only photographer right now is my 10 year old sister, so we do the best we can!

[DreamBigEq37]

I'd post some pictures but I'm scared of being ripped to shreds.. some people are harsh http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Weatherford]

The article online - which you can read til November 1 - about the Regional Maclay finals has Haylie's picture. Go to the home page of the COTH by clicking the banner on this page, then click the link to the article. It does have to download into Adobe Acrobat Reader, but.... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[UNCeventer]

I am very saddened to see very few automatic releases in the hunter and jumper ring today. Granted, I am not talking about the grand prix classes. Growing up, I was always taught that equitation wasnt only a solid leg, seat and flat back, rather it was the rider's position on the whole and their effectiveness in executing a smooth round. That said, you could have a decent leg position and have a crest release, but I would not consider that something as a model of equitation. Even in George Morris' book (forget what its called) He continually points out the automatic release and the reason for its use. If a rider is seriously solid in his/her leg and seat then there is no reason that they cannot have an automatic release. Yes, it is something that comes with time and has a lot to do with feel, but especially on some of the nice horses that people have who are naturally rhythmic and smooth jumpers, I feel that there should be more riders/trainers striving for the automatic release.

(stepping off my soap box now http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

[EStieg12]

I don't think people are exactly getting at what I have been posting. I AGREE that the auto release is more effective. I AGREE that it should be used more. I AGREE that a judge will pin on the total round not just one's look over fences. I just don't think that as many juniors or ammys or even pros are doing the auto as much anymore in EQ and Hunters. Oh well... I am finished trying to make sense of it all.

[UNCeventer]

I agree that they arent using it as much anymore anymore. And I wonder why......

I was merely posting an observation that I had noticed that had to do with EQ.

[lauriep]

RE: the automatic release in today's eq ring.

I asked GM about this when I visited with him during his clinic at Morven Park. He told me that (sadly) while a following hand would probably do fine in the hunters, he was afraid that it wouldn't get used in the eq because judges don't see it anymore and are afraid to use something that is "different" from the rest. I told him he needed to come back into the eq and get it back on course. He laughed...

[EStieg12]

Thank you Laurie! That is what I was getting at. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[chrissy mackris]

no offense, but i kinda agree with Anticipation, just as i would agree with her if she picked my picture apart. there were some major flaws in some of the pics posted (though i didnt look through all of them), just as there are flaws in my pictures. that is not to say that the riders' aren't good, solid horsemen/women.

heres my best eq picture- the closest thing to perfect that I have, though i know its not perfect. my leg has slipped back a little too much, along with other things, but this is the best for me so far

http://community.webshots.com/photo/188131724/188139154GINzxG

[BAC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lauriep:
RE: the automatic release in today's eq ring.

I asked GM about this when I visited with him during his clinic at Morven Park. He told me that (sadly) while a following hand would probably do fine in the hunters, he was afraid that it wouldn't get used in the eq because judges don't see it anymore and are afraid to use something that is "different" from the rest. I told him he needed to come back into the eq and get it back on course. He laughed... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Too bad he only laughed, I would love to see him come back and get those eq riders (and everyone else too) using a natural release. It just doesn't seem right that someone can win one of the major eq finals using a crest release.

[LimoWrek]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Anticipation:
The only pictures that show decent eq that have been posted on here are Madeline's. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Ericka, stop being such a jerk.

[Ketch]

May I respectfully suggest that those of you showing in equitation classes wear gloves?

I was shocked to page through these pictures and observe the number of people who stated their pictures were from actual equitation classes and they were not wearing gloves.

My trainer would rip me to shreds. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[*In Vogue*]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Looking4Trouble:
I'll play. These are by no means perfect...but I thought they looked allright, and I did pretty well at the show.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/107973644/154349021PnOsiz
http://community.webshots.com/photo/107973644/164745900ETxmpz
http://community.webshots.com/photo/107973644/193865455idBSYw <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
In ur pic 2 the ring looks sooo cool with the trees and stuff thats awsome!! we dont have ne thing like that in toronto where do you live?!?!

[Curlytoons]

New here, but I'll play the photograph game with one of my daughter:

http://www.pbase.com/curlytoons

Curlytoons

[BAC]

Wow - what a nice little rider. And welcome to the BB Curlytoons.

[kmbhoya2000]

The most important thing to remember about good equitation is that it is the basis for good effective riding. All of the members of the US Olympic team had a great equitation base. Riders have to remember that it is NOT posing. Missy Clark teaches her kids to RIDE, NOT pose.

A great example is Sheila Burke
www.sheila-burke.com (http://www.sheila-burke.com)
the front page is Sheila on Caya over a GIGANTIC jump, but you would never know. Missy gave her a great equitation base, and she is now a very effective international competitor.

[Curlytoons]

Thanks,

and I'm glad to see I've earned a title! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

OB: Eq photography, fellow photog Peter Dove has a few tips on getting a trot photo here:

http://www.rawmagick.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12

Curly

[Madeline]

In my biased and outdated opinion, Curlytoons's daughter's pic is the best of the "kid Pics" for eq. She's balanced, the leg is really solid, and the crest release is age-appropriate.

Nice pic.

[Black Market Radio]

Wow curlytoons, your daughter is awesome!!!

[Cindeye]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Madeline:
In my biased and outdated opinion, Curlytoons's daughter's pic is the best of the "kid Pics" for eq. She's balanced, the leg is really solid, and the crest release is age-appropriate.

Nice pic. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ditto!

[RugBug]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Madeline:
In my biased and outdated opinion, Curlytoons's daughter's pic is the best of the "kid Pics" for eq. She's balanced, the leg is really solid, and the crest release is age-appropriate.

Nice pic. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree it's a nice picture, but I don't think it's the best example of good eq that has been posted on this thread...even amoung the kid shots. A lot of the common eq faults are still exhibited in this picture (release floating above the crest, base too high out of saddle, ducking). The rider is balanced, soft and not jumping ahead...she's about equal with many of the other shots on this thread.

the picture dcm posted on page 3, albeit of an older rider although still a junior, is a beautiful example of good eq. While not perfect (the turn is being overly telegraphed with elbows out), it is VERY nice.

[Ketch]

Agreed, RugBug.

The release thing is starting to make my eyes bleed. Seriously, have we seen a correct automatic release even once on this thread?

I also have to say I am astounded at the sheer number of folks who have the chutzpah to post their OWN pics on a "really good eq pics" thread. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif I am not syaing I have perfect equitation, but you don't see me posting pictures of it on here either, do you? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[MistyBlue]

Here's an auto...and IMO very good eq. Not perfect, but definitely very good. Unfortunately...I have no idea who this is. I found it doing a web search to show someone the differences between releases instead of just trying to explain them. This photo came up on a search done of "horses jumping." Not the world's best turnout and the rider *may* have their upper body a tad to the left...but overall a very decent auto release, leg and seat position. JMHO... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://www.grandnationalrodeo.com/images/hrsshow2.jpg

[Silver_Lining]

Um, well i did post this one, if its not perfect I dont know what is! At least GM seemed to think it was..
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/7078/jimkohn.jpg

[Ketch]

Yes, that is fabulous.

I meant the overall quality, especially with regards to the crest releases, was not too impressive.

And, btw, I was unable to access your picture the first time around. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Madeline]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RugBug:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Madeline:
In my biased and outdated opinion, Curlytoons's daughter's pic is the best of the "kid Pics" for eq. She's balanced, the leg is really solid, and the crest release is age-appropriate.

Nice pic. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree it's a nice picture, but I don't think it's the best example of good eq that has been posted on this thread...even amoung the kid shots. A lot of the common eq faults are still exhibited in this picture (release floating above the crest, base too high out of saddle, ducking). The rider is balanced, soft and not jumping ahead...she's about equal with many of the other shots on this thread.

the picture dcm posted on page 3, albeit of an older rider although still a junior, is a beautiful example of good eq. While not perfect (the turn is being overly telegraphed with elbows out), it is VERY nice. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Some of the things I keep in mind when I look at pictures is " Where would this rider be if the horse tripped on landing?" And "Is the rider interfering with the horse's free and balanced movement?" For Curly's daughter the answers are definitely "Right where she is now" and "Not at all." There is a picture of LOstMy Sock that's pretty darn nice , too ( #3) on page 3. I flinch whenever I see a horse jumping into a fixed hand and/or a rider whose hands are back way behind, say, their Adam's Apple.

Then again, I'm not current on what wins in eq. I just know what I like.

[Ketch]

Well, see, I don't think "what wins" should be what we're talking about here. I think what is classical, effective, and workmanlike is the definition of "good" most of us are working with. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

And I disagree with you on the answers to those questions. The kid looks like she'd fall off to me, since she's pressing all of her weight into the neck. What if the horse's neck were all of a sudden no longer underneath her?

Not trying to be snarky here; just saddened by the demise of the classical position.

[BAC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Silver_Lining:
Um, well i did post this one, if its not perfect I dont know what is! At least GM seemed to think it was..
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/7078/jimkohn.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, I think that is an awesome photo. Too bad today's juniors don't look like that.

[RugBug]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Madeline:
I flinch whenever I see a horse jumping into a fixed hand and/or a rider whose hands are back way behind, say, their Adam's Apple.

Then again, I'm not current on what wins in eq. I just know what I like. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, seeing that I'm not talking about what "wins: in eq, but rather 'really good eq' seems a consensus could be reached.

I like the #3 of lostmysock. She's still ducking a little, but has a nice crest release, nice base, back etc. If she opened her hip angle a little and stretched down through her heel a little more, it would be a fantastic picture. All and all it is a very nice picture....

dcm's picture may show a little too much contact, but the rider is prepping for a turn and the horse looked to be a little strong at the moment. She is NOT exhibiting a fixed hand. From the rider's soft, balanced position, I'm guessing that if she were jumping straight through a line, the release would look different as well. It is still one of the best, current day junior pictures posted.

The Jim Kohn one is beautiful. But, if you kept the same amount of contact he has, put it into a crest release (with the understanding that the hand is soft...not set) and everyone would be commenting that the release is not enough.

[Ketch]

RugBug,

Are you my West Coast soul sistah? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[Linus]

Hey Curly, is this the same pony that you posted pictures of on rec.eq awhile back?

If so, WOW what an improvement. Your daughter looks great! Kudos to her trainer.

[RugBug]

Quite possibly, Ketch. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

My neck's gettin tired of nodding after reading your posts. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[Curlytoons]

A couple of things. *Janie's* crest release is floating above the crest rather than pressing down into it, although she generally has a good working crest release (I know, I know, it's not shown here), and I do believe that her stirrup may be just short enough to be pushing her a little to far out of the saddle over fences. As Madeline points out, though, I also consider the crest release age appropriate for a young rider not yet in her teens.

What I think this rider shows more than some of the others in this thread is a solid leg and balance on the horse; two traits that allows young riders to flourish and advance for the sheer reason that they *stay on the horse* in exigent circumstances, and gain confidence.
Feet and/or elbows angled out from the horse makes for a 'not really good eq picture'. I know because I have plenty of them.

I agree that Lostmysock515's #3 looks quite good.

Curly

[SBT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ketch:
I also have to say I am astounded at the sheer number of folks who have the chutzpah to post their OWN pics on a "really good eq pics" thread. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif I am not syaing I have perfect equitation, but you don't see me posting pictures of it on here either, do you? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mine are gone. Feel better now? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[EStieg12]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SBT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ketch:
I also have to say I am astounded at the sheer number of folks who have the chutzpah to post their OWN pics on a "really good eq pics" thread. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif I am not syaing I have perfect equitation, but you don't see me posting pictures of it on here either, do you? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mine are gone. Feel better now? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Is right! Shiesh. Mine is gone too.

[RugBug]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Curlytoons:
What I think this rider shows more than some of the others in this thread is a solid leg and balance on the horse; two traits that allows young riders to flourish and advance for the sheer reason that they *stay on the horse* in exigent circumstances, and gain confidence.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Curly,

I went back and looked at most of the pictures and have to say that the majority of those posted are balanced and show a solid leg. Nothing different from your daughter's picture...which is nice...I just don't think it's all that better than the others. A few of them, yes...but most? Nope. Your daughter exhibits the same faults as most of the other riders.

What I am realizing from this thread is that most of us don't see ducking as a fault. Anticipation posted a picture of Missy Clark on page 2 that is close to perfect. But looking at it, I think "wow, she's so upright." and then I have to remind myself that she is correct and that the overly closed hip angle that is so popular today, and looks correct because it is what I am used to seeing, is incorrect.

[Ketch]

Sorry if that offended some folks, but I just can't imagining responding to a call for good pictures with what equates to the statement "look at me, Me, ME!"

Rolly-eyes back atcha. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Also, Curly, I'll totally agree that your daughter has a nice, solid leg. I wouldn't expect someone of her age and level to have perfect eq.

[Silver_Lining]

I don't think anyone should take their pictures down, we can learn as much from what isn't perfect from what is perfect.. its really a great excersize to determine what should be improved.

Besides you don't win because you're perfect, you win because you're the best. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Also, a good crest release is better than a weak auto.

[Dow Jones]

I am sure I will be slammed for this "harsh" post, but if you have to qualify your photos, they're not really good. Really good photos stand on their own- they don't need the explanations of "we left early/late, I'm ducking, my horse is jumping flat, my leg slipped back," etc. etc. ad nauseum.

I interpreted the original post as asking for traditional old photos of riders displaying perfect (or as near to it as possible) equitation. The photos posted here, while very nice in many instances, are more appropriate for a "Let's see your best eq photo" thread.

[EStieg12]

You certainly didn't offend me - I think some of the people that posted pictures are proud of their eq and were hoping to receive some positive feedback about their riding, myself included. Not to toot my own horn but I was extatic with my picture after 5 years out of the saddle! I think others are as equally pleased wither their riding.

IMHO - everyone can learn from all the photos posted. Some of us have won in good company so why not show it off? Sorry pep's - the style's changing.

[SBT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ketch:
Sorry if that offended some folks, but I just can't imagining responding to a call for good pictures with what equates to the statement "look at me, Me, ME!" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And I can't imagine putting words in people's mouths like you've just done. The OP asked for "really good Eq photos." And a lot of people responded by sharing the best they had. If the OP had asked for "traditional old photos," as Dow Jones suggested, then yes, photos of us mere mortals would have been inappropriate. But that's not the case here.

This was a really educational, fun thread until now. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[EStieg12]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SBT:
This was a really educational, fun thread until now. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif I agree. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif

Besides - isn't EVERY "Picture thread" a "Look at me, look at me" thread? People are PROUD! Shiza - we sould be for how much we pay for this darn sport!

[chrissy mackris]

the first thing i thought about curlytoon's pic was WOW! its a great picture, BUT- there are flaws, as mentioned. crest release too high, foot a little too deep in the stirrup, and her butt is a little too high out of the saddle. but besides those things, she looks great, and has a really nice leg!

[EStieg12]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Curlytoons:
New here, but I'll play the photograph game with one of my daughter:

http://www.pbase.com/curlytoons

Curlytoons <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I want one!!! I think it is a FABULOUS picture! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Zig]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Quinn:
Truly a beautiful following hand here. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif[/QUOTED}

That made me laugh.. your own version of Thrills and Spills... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[RugBug]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SBT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ketch:
Sorry if that offended some folks, but I just can't imagining responding to a call for good pictures with what equates to the statement "look at me, Me, ME!" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And I can't imagine putting words in people's mouths like you've just done. The OP asked for "really good Eq photos." And a lot of people responded by sharing the best they had. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, people posted the best they had...and pictures that they are proud of, but that is NOT what the OP asked for. This didn't start out as a 'post your best' but as a 'examples of perfect eq - now or then' thread.

Here is the text from the OP:

"Does anyone have any really good equitation photos... be it on the flat or over fences... Many of the phots I see from even the big eq classes don't really look like great examples of what good equitation should be!! I know its hard to get the perfect photo but there must be some out there!! "

See..."perfect photo" not a call for what's your best.

It seems to me that people don't want to hear the truth, they just want someone to say that they look nice. Sorry, I can't do that. If you posted your picture on this thread, after the OP asked for pictures of what really good eq should be, you deserve to be told it's not quite as good as you think. It's just the same old faults (and yes, they are the same faults I have as well...but see, I didn't post my pictures).

EStieg: your photo was lovely. Very nice after 5 years. Not perfect, but very nice. However, a few of the other posters pics didn't even approach very nice. I didn't see anyone getting called out specifically, just that some posters don't quite have the eq they think they have.

[Zig]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EStieg12:
edited to remove the photo - people are snarky! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought your photos were great.. looks like you have a happy full life.. and nice horses too.. good for you...

[Zig]

[QUOTE]Does anyone do the no reins, no stirrups grid anymroe with arms out to the side? Or jumping bareback? Why all the posing?
)[QUOTE]

My old trainer did use the no reins and no irons grid -- it was a good exercise. I no longer do it because I dont feel comfortable doing it without anyone on the ground. If I can sucker a friend into being my ground person -- I will attempt again. {Hillary -- calling Hillary -- can you offer this service .. free of charge of course http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[EStieg12]

Thanks for the complements.
I think there was just some misunderstanding about the original post - everyone interprets things differently. One persons posts picture of themselves and everyone else jumps on the band wagon. Oh well.

Zig - please excuse the photos of my brother doing beer bongs etc - unfortunately ALL my photos are kept in one place. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[Beethoven]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ketch:
Agreed, RugBug.

The release thing is starting to make my eyes bleed. Seriously, have we seen a correct automatic release even once on this thread?

I also have to say I am astounded at the sheer number of folks who have the chutzpah to post their OWN pics on a "really good eq pics" thread. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif I am not syaing I have perfect equitation, but you don't see me posting pictures of it on here either, do you? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ketch, I don't think anyone here is trying to say they have good eq when posting their pics here. I was merely trying to get a critique, which no one really gave me. I have far from perfect eq! I have obvious flaws as most of the people that posted their pic!

I just wanted a critique! I don't mind being torn apart! Critique away with my pics on pages 5,6! PLEASE!

[SBT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RugBug:
However, a few of the other posters pics didn't even approach very nice. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ouch. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif I must apologize for polluting this thread with my less-than perfect photos. What the he!! was I thinking... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

Point is, what ONE person considers "good" might be "not so good" to someone else. Those of us who posted pictures THOUGHT we were sharing "good" ones, only to have a few snarky people inform us we aren't "good" enough. While that may be true, I highly doubt any of the spoilsports are qualified to make that judgement.

The OP certainly could have stepped in along the way and said, "this isn't what I'm looking for," and clarified his/her request. Nobody else has any authority to say the pics posted are not "good enough" for this thread. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

[RugBug]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SBT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RugBug:
However, a few of the other posters pics didn't even approach very nice. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ouch. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif I must apologize for polluting this thread with my less-than perfect photos. What the he!! was I thinking... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Goodness, did I mention any names? I didn't direct any comments at you so what makes you think I'm talking about your pictures?


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SBT:
Point is, what ONE person considers "good" might be "not so good" to someone else. Those of us who posted pictures THOUGHT we were sharing "good" ones, only to have a few snarky people inform us we aren't "good" enough. While that may be true, I highly doubt any of the spoilsports are qualified to make that judgement.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Perfect eq is perfect eq. There are concrete standards from which to base observations.

Qualified to make a judgement? Based on what, my riding, my experience, my show results? None of that really has much to do with anything. I can look at a picture of my eq and tell you just about everything wrong with it. I can also tell you what's right. I didn't post my pictures because I know they don't even approximate "perfect." That in and of itself says something.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SBT:
The OP certainly could have stepped in along the way and said, "this isn't what I'm looking for," and clarified his/her request. Nobody else has any authority to say the pics posted are not "good enough" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Authority? This is an internet BB for goodness sakes. Nobody has any authority about anything. The only authority people have here is what you give them. You can disregard the posts you think are mean, just as I can disregard the posts that I think are a load of sunshine.

The OP WAS pretty clear on what she was looking for. Just b/c people's reading comprehension was sub par doesn't mean the request wasn't clear.

And besides, if people had read correctly I'm sure this thread wouldn't have made it to 10 pages. It's really hard to find "perfect" or even close to perfect photos these days.

[Heinz 57]

ok, so does this mean that since no one said anything about my (or Beethoven's, apparently) pictures, that they are perfect?
No, of course not. Yes, I'm pretty proud of my eq especially considering the circumstances of some of those pictures. One man's perfect is another man's trash. Maybe the original poster should more clearly define exactly what they'd like to see - but beauty is still in the eye of the beholder.



Really, someone please take a look at Beethoven's and my pictures. I think mine are on page 2 or 3. As far as auto releases go - not to toot my own horn, but there is one on the page I posted that I didn't think was bad.

Beethoven- you look good to me! Maybe your heel could be a little deeper, but other than that you look effective and un-inhibiting.. beautiful!

[Beethoven]

Heniz...I think you eq looks nice as well! I love you leg position and your upper body is good to! No ducking! YAY! I constiently fight myself about that! Hard to break a habit that I got when I was a child. You auto release over the cross country course looks very good to me as well!

Thanks for all the nice words!

[RugBug]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beethoven:
Heniz...I think you eq looks nice as well! I love you leg position and your upper body is good to! No ducking! YAY! I constiently fight myself about that! Hard to break a habit that I got when I was a child. You auto release over the cross country course looks very good to me as well!

Thanks for all the nice words! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Okay. Remember that I have no authority so take what I write with a grain of salt....

Beethoven: The pict of you and Noah is a hard picture to judge because it's so far away, but...

You look balanced, with a flat back, eyes up and your base is very nice. Your leg might have slipped back some, but your horse is jumping the crap out of the fence. Did you come in a little short and have to push to get out? Your release looks nice, but I can't really tell b/c the picture is so small. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Over all a nice picture. I'm not surprised you got third.

The picture of just you is nice as well. Your back is a little roached and you could use more weight in your heel. Your weight is distributed throughout your leg...just stretch it down more and it would be that much nicer. Your base is, again, good. I like to see a pattern of nice and not just one shot and then the rest icky. It means you really have a foundation and didn't just get lucky and get the one really nice picture. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Heinz 57:

It looks like you get the job done, and have some pretty good eq doing it. The main thing I see repeated in your pics is that your weight isn't distributed all the way down your leg. It looks like you don't use much contact through the calf, although your leg maintains a acceptable position. There's an instance or two of set hands and being a little off center. I like the picture titled "Marita" the best. You're again off center there, but balanced front to back.

[Heinz 57]

RugBug, I think I know what you're talking about with the off-center deal. If you want to see off center.. I have a picture for you! Same mare (Marita), though her front end is about two feet right of her hind. I got stuck in the middle somewhere... yuck! We got eliminated on XC, it was a schooling trial so we had something like 10 refusals.



IMO, everyone here looks fabulous. Maybe not perfect, and maybe some are not REALLY good, but they are all good. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[RugBug]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fiction:
Ditto. I posted a picture, I believe on page 3, certainly not that I think is "perfect" but it's one of the best equitation pictures I've gotten. And also, I'd love to be critiqued, I think maybe 1 person said something, and turst me, if I go out and put the picture up, I'll take the comments. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My guess is people aren't critiqueing because that's not what this thread was started for. I had a hard time getting my pictures critique'd the time I asked...but because so many people ask, then get defensive when someone says something negative. I put out an invitation to rip my pictures to shreds. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

as for your picture:

Your base is nice, eyes are up. Your back is roached. You look like you may be reaching for your stirrup, something that is often seen in the eq ring these days. You could stand to bring your shoulders back some, opening your hip angle. It would make the overall picture much nicer. Your horse looks like he may have made a strong bid for this fence and you're dealing with it pretty well. Your crest release is actually on the crest, not floating above...good for you. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Again, I have no authority and am not an expert. I just play one on this thread. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

[sasa521]

Although I'm a latecomer on this thread, I did read all of it and...

Now that we have everything (somewhat) settled, how about we go back to the original purpose of the thread (since I think it would be very useful):
Does anyone have any perfect eq photos to share?

[Illyria]

Can we define "perfect eq" first?

[Zaboobafoo]

I do think eq is taking a turn in the right direction. The winners are getting looser and more natural looking and less like posers. The Janye's, Addison....there is not a trace of stiffness in their bodies and I just LOVE watching them.

[To the MAX]

If I can chime in..
I don't know about the rest of you, but I sure am having a good time looking at all the pictures people posted. I know that they are all not "perfect" but really, how many will be? Pictures are just a snapshot of what happened in the ride, the people you think have lacking equitation skills might have been riding the fence the best it could be ridden.
People posting their pictures on this topic has made it more interesting, and why is it bad if they are proud of their equitation? These photographs are allowing us to learn too, whether they're perfect or only "good". I don't see the problem as long as we're all benefitting from seeing them. (which I think is the case, people are offering advice for others and people can see what they aspire their equitation to be like, or how to improve, what's wrong with certain pictures etc)
JMO though!

[Curlytoons]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Linus:
Hey Curly, is this the same pony that you posted pictures of on rec.eq awhile back?

If so, WOW what an improvement. Your daughter looks great! Kudos to her trainer. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes! She has gotten much better; credit goes to her trainer, and it also helps to ride four days a week *and* be the instructors favorite student. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

As to what the OP wanted, better to have the critiques to our posted pictures, with explanations and reasons, than to be pointed to one picture on the internet and say "Perfect style." Oh, wait. That's already been done right here by the editors!!(checkt the thumbnails):

http://chronofhorse.com/

Curly

[ABBA]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by *In Vogue*:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/141325569/150015107XYWXOY
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That girl looks lovely!

[ABBA]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Anticipation:
No offense, but the previous pictures posted are nowhere near "perfect" examples of good equitation. I wouldn't even call them "good". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would love to hear you pick apart the girl in the second link of In Vogue's 1st post on this thread.

[ABBA]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Anticipation:
The only pictures that show decent eq that have been posted on here are Madeline's. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am a show manager in the mid-west. Since you obviously have your large R, PT me and maybe you can fill some of my judging dates. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[ABBA]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gunnar:


http://community.webshots.com/photo/185757178/185764596ORhQEt <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is a lovely picture!

[ABBA]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ketch:
May I respectfully suggest that those of you showing in equitation classes wear gloves?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And if you choose not to wear gloves, be happy with automatically scoring a 50 w/ many large R's out there http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[dcm]

All the pictures are very lovely. If you were to take what you see as the best part from all the pictures, you will have perfect eq. The pic that Silver_Lining posted was awesome! Anyone know who that was?

Thank you Rugbug for the compliments on my picture. The kid's "chicken wings" show up on occasion, but she's working on that! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

I would lay money on Curlytoon's kid showing up in the top rankings of the big eq kids in the next few years. She has a wonderful start and shows very well for such a little tyke. What is she...9 or 10 maybe?

[Beethoven]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RugBug:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beethoven:
Heniz...I think you eq looks nice as well! I love you leg position and your upper body is good to! No ducking! YAY! I constiently fight myself about that! Hard to break a habit that I got when I was a child. You auto release over the cross country course looks very good to me as well!

Thanks for all the nice words! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Okay. Remember that I have no authority so take what I write with a grain of salt....

Beethoven: The pict of you and Noah is a hard picture to judge because it's so far away, but...

You look balanced, with a flat back, eyes up and your base is very nice. Your leg might have slipped back some, but your horse is jumping the crap out of the fence. Did you come in a little short and have to push to get out? Your release looks nice, but I can't really tell b/c the picture is so small. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Over all a nice picture. I'm not surprised you got third.

The picture of just you is nice as well. Your back is a little roached and you could use more weight in your heel. Your weight is distributed throughout your leg...just stretch it down more and it would be that much nicer. Your base is, again, good. I like to see a pattern of nice and not just one shot and then the rest icky. It means you really have a foundation and didn't just get lucky and get the one really nice picture. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you very much for your critique! I agree with everything you have said!

[HSM]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MsMarley:
If I can chime in..
I don't know about the rest of you, but I sure am having a good time looking at all the pictures people posted...

...JMO though! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And I agree with your humble opinion! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif There are some lovely photos on this thread and that is always fun to look at! Plus I give a lot of credit to anyone who posts a picture of themselves no matter what - I think it's great. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[Looking4Trouble]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by *In Vogue*:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Looking4Trouble:
I'll play. These are by no means perfect...but I thought they looked allright, and I did pretty well at the show.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/107973644/154349021PnOsiz
http://community.webshots.com/photo/107973644/164745900ETxmpz
http://community.webshots.com/photo/107973644/193865455idBSYw <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
In ur pic 2 the ring looks sooo cool with the trees and stuff thats awsome!! we dont have ne thing like that in toronto where do you live?!?! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I live in Ft.White, Florida. This was taken in Newberry, Florida. Around Gainesville http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Silver_Lining]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dcm:
All the pictures are very lovely. If you were to take what you see as the best part from all the pictures, you will have perfect eq. The pic that Silver_Lining posted was awesome! Anyone know who that was?

Thank you Rugbug for the compliments on my picture. The kid's "chicken wings" show up on occasion, but she's working on that! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

I would lay money on Curlytoon's kid showing up in the top rankings of the big eq kids in the next few years. She has a wonderful start and shows very well for such a little tyke. What is she...9 or 10 maybe? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its Jim Kohn.

[xegeba]

Curlytoons munchkin rocks. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif !

[UNCeventer]

Somewhat off the topic and I apologize. My eq in this schooling pic isn't great by any means, but I was thrilled with the fact that my position stayed so well with this mare's huge jump! Look at how much she has to spare!

http://community.webshots.com/photo/187072382/203079560wcSnAe

[Weatherford]

Oh ABBA - you don't think Jimmy's Eq or that of George or Frank or Mary or Kathy would win in your ring? Or aren't "decent" eq?

Hmmm - methinks, perhaps, you didn't have time to look at them all.

And perhaps there IS a difference between Eq for the Eq classes and true Eq that is a facet of horsemanship. There shouldn't be, certainly, but it is a gap that has always been there. I agree that the Jaynes and some of the other youngsters ride beautifully - not in that posed fashion, but effectively. I would simply like to see MORE auto releases, more independent hands and legs, and less reliance on that "flat jumper" to make them "look good"

I have watched a LOT of young International riders from a variety of countries and one of the things that impresses me most is how they stay with their horses - on the other hand, I have seen some US riders - young internationals - nearly fall off at every landing over big jumps - or get jumped out of the tack - or just SIT there and DO NOTHING but pull before the fence... Somehow, we have gone from being the producer of the most beautiful, effective, and quiet riders to - well, I am not sure what. It is very disappointing, however. I also find it disappointing to see the young riders over here COPY that d***** crest release - which just gets them into trouble...

Sorry about my venting! Watching the International classes all year, both live and on tv was enlightening, to say the least! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[wednesday]

Didn't have time to read over all the posts, but I think I have pretty good eq in this picture...Sorry for the bad quality of the picture but you get the idea.

O'neill and I (http://community.webshots.com/photo/203150568/203150730lKGmAo)

[lauriep]

Ding, ding, ding! And we have a winner, folks, so far anyway, IMO. wednesday's photo illustrates a CORRECT crest release, taking light support from the SIDES of the crest. Nearly flat back (just a little roach), crotch behind the pommel, seat just clear of the saddle, and an exemplary leg with stirrup turned so outer branch is slightly ahead of inner branch, contact distributed throughout the leg, and a true feeling that she is "one with her horse." My favorite (other than the ones posted from GM's book) so far.

[glfprncs]

George Morris wrote in "The Chronicle" awhile back about rider position. He included a picture of Erik Hasbrouk in a jumper class, showing an incredibly stable leg, a seat just grazing the saddle, and an automatic release. He thought it was nearly perfect, and it was a lovely photo. Anybody know to which photo I'm referring? Anybody have a link?

[thelwell]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EStieg12:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Curlytoons:
New here, but I'll play the photograph game with one of my daughter:

http://www.pbase.com/curlytoons

Curlytoons <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I want one!!! I think it is a FABULOUS picture! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Holy wow!! How old is she? That one is going to be very good, we must have picture updates regularly, okay? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif You should be very proud--and Curlytoons, do you think I could borrow her on the weekend? Maybe a share-the-child type situation? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif Just kidding.

In regards to the rest of this thread... I'm slightly appalled. She asked for pictures of really good Eq--and people gave examples of what they considered good eq, either with flaws or not. I think it is good to get pictures where posters can say that they like their leg or release or whatever but realize what they are doing wrong elsewhere. It allows people to be proud of their achievements without, without sounding to snooty and perhaps receiving advice on how to improve otherwise. This thread was great until people started bitching about what should be considered "perfect eq"-- weren't we all learning before and isn't that (kind of) the point here? The thread is not, I'm sure, meant to be a contest of who can find a picture of the most perfect equitation. It's a thread about good equitation, and although people may be lacking in some areas, they certainly make up for it in others. One of my favorite pictures of me is a picture where I love my leg (and for me that is rare that I would say such a thing) but I am a little low in my chest and my hands are uneven. Do I think the picture has perfect equitation? No. But I do look at it when I'm trying to improve my leg position and remember that it really can look good. So what if my hands are uneven, I can learn from the whole picture and try to improve upon what is there. What is the point of riding if you are going to be perfect all the time anyway? I'll get off my soap box now, sorry that's just my two cents.


elizabeth

[Flash44]

Ditto, wednesday is wonderful. And so is her horse. And she is actually jumping something of considerable substance.

[Dragoon]

Anybody wanna take a look at these? The picture quality is poor poor poor so I apologize ahead of time. Thanks in advance. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/Colonel_Tavy13/81926780RGiEDA_ph.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/Colonel_Tavy13/81926824pkVLiW_ph.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/Colonel_Tavy13/81923295vMsYVb_ph.jpg

Perfect, no. Solid? I believe so.

[Quinn]

Dragoon, I'd say pretty darned close to perfect.

http://community.webshots.com/user/ballyduff

[BAC]

Dragoon, especially like the second photo, really excellent IMO.

[EStieg12]

Dragoon -
You look very nice! Why did you post those earlier!

[RugBug]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by thelwell:
In regards to the rest of this thread... I'm slightly appalled. She asked for pictures of really good Eq--and people gave examples of what they considered good eq, either with flaws or not. I think it is good to get pictures where posters can say that they like their leg or release or whatever but realize what they are doing wrong elsewhere. It allows people to be proud of their achievements without, without sounding to snooty and perhaps receiving advice on how to improve otherwise. This thread was great until people started bitching about what should be considered "perfect eq"-- weren't we all learning before and isn't that (kind of) the point here? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My only problem with that is you get people just reading who think someone's posted picture represents the "perfect eq" that was asked for in the original post. On page 11 ABBA seems to think that a picture posted previously is so good it cannot be critiqued. While it is very good picture, there are still things that make it less than perfect. That's why I started posting...I didn't think a lot of these pictures exhibited what was being asked for.

On another note: I spent some time last night looking for close to perfect eq photos. It's not easy to find one that has everything perfectly in place. Usually at least one thing is not quite right. I found a few pictures in PH (GM's column: I was looking for a picture from about two years ago that was fantastic but couldn't find it) and a few in GM's book (Picture of Jenno Topping on Charge Account is near perfect except her release is high) and a few in Anna Jane White Mullen's book. Those "perfect pictures" are not easy to find.

Dragoon: The second photo is lovely. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Wednesday, your picture is lovely as well.

[Ketch]

Okay, RugBug: now it's official that we were seprated at birth. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I found the picture of Jenno Topping last night as well. Crazy ...

Dragoon, I love the second pic as well. I think the rider looks a little loose in the tack in the third one and a tiny bit in the first one as well. However, I like her nice relaxed back and the fact that her eyes are looking ahead.

I obviously misunderstood the OP's post; I had no idea he/she was calling for personal photos to be critiqued. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I also wasn't aware that only "positive feedback" to quote someone above was allowed. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

[thelwell]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RugBug:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by thelwell:
In regards to the rest of this thread... I'm slightly appalled. She asked for pictures of really good Eq--and people gave examples of what they considered good eq, either with flaws or not. I think it is good to get pictures where posters can say that they like their leg or release or whatever but realize what they are doing wrong elsewhere. It allows people to be proud of their achievements without, without sounding to snooty and perhaps receiving advice on how to improve otherwise. This thread was great until people started bitching about what should be considered "perfect eq"-- weren't we all learning before and isn't that (kind of) the point here? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My only problem with that is you get people just reading who think someone's posted picture represents the "perfect eq" that was asked for in the original post. On page 11 ABBA seems to think that a picture posted previously is so good it cannot be critiqued. While it is very good picture, there are still things that make it less than perfect. That's why I started posting I didn't think a lot of these pictures exhibit was was being asked for.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with this--if you are posting a picture that does not represent exactly what the original post asked for, then you should probably identify why. That seems to be common sense to me though; unless you are asking for an outright critique of the photo. If someone's posting a picture that represents one aspect of good eq, it seems to me they would logically say, "well this picture shows the automatic release well, but my leg has slipped back," or whatever the example may be. Perhaps I'm wrong-I very well may be-that's just how I think of it. I do see what you are saying about people thinking that all are examples of "perfect equitation," if the post does not otherwise say so, and I agree. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And Dragoon-wow you have beautiful equitation. I think the thing I love the most is that although it is very very nice, it does not look posed-it looks soft. I like that; it's functional and pretty. Good job. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

elizabeth

[Perfect Pony]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ABBA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gunnar:


http://community.webshots.com/photo/185757178/185764596ORhQEt <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is a lovely picture! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, except the fact that her foot is on the INSIDE of the stirrup iron, tisk tisk!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

(just kidding btw, I only post this because Gunner is away on vacation and I watched a tape of her in a GM clinic where GM kept yelling at her about her foot placement, you know how he can get about these things....I think she would appreciate the humor as her eq is near perfect and she has the medals to prove it)

Oh, btw, this thread is a riot! LOVE the H/J forum!

[Madeline]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by thelwell:

I agree with this--if you are posting a picture that does not represent exactly what the original post asked for, then you should probably identify why. That seems to be common sense to me though; unless you are asking for an outright critique of the photo. If someone's posting a picture that represents one aspect of good eq, it seems to me they would logically say, "well this picture shows the automatic release well, but my leg has slipped back," or whatever the example may be. elizabeth <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Isn't that a little bit like "Aside from THAT, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?"

Can you have a good automatic release if your leg is gone? I don't know.

I think Wednesday's picture is nice, but I want to see it a few tenths of a second later before I confer sainthood.

I can't remember who was pictured, or what product was being advertised, but there was an ad a few years ago of someone jumping where the horse had been removed, and the rider was flying through the air in perfect balance. In a lot of these photos, if you airbrushed the horse out, the rider would not be in a position to land on his/her feet. If you buy into "Good EQ. is all about balance and not hindering the horse", then this is a visual check...

[dcm]

Here is most likely the OP was looking for: Bill Steinkraus. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[Mountaineer]

Hello,

I thought I would add a picture of mine that I think is ok. The release could be better, but I think that my leg position is pretty good.

I'm interested in your critiques of the picture, so please let me know what you think!

http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=showMyPhoto&albumID=202914551&photoID=202918869&security=idfCfk

(just in case the link to the picture doesn't work, here is my album link : http://community.webshots.com/user/mountaineerva

[fivebyfive]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dcm:
Here is most likely the OP was looking for: Bill Steinkraus. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Beautiful. Brings a tear to my eye http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif It looks so EFFORTLESS and look how high they're jumping. I can't stand (ok I'm sure I'm guilty of this too) watching riders throw themselves up their horse's neck over a 3' fence when this picture demonstrates you don't hafta do it over a bigger fence http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Thanks for posting that...I might print it out and keep it to inspire me!

[Curlytoons]

Holy wow!! How old is she? That one is going to be very good, we must have picture updates regularly, okay? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif You should be very proud--and Curlytoons, do you think I could borrow her on the weekend? Maybe a share-the-child type situation? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif Just kidding.

LOL. She mucks for rides! She looks ten, but is closer to twelve. Good for pony jumpers, though. She would *jump* at a chance in Ocala, but that'll have to wait until next year. Right now, she's working on some *leads* that might just get her there. Next up is to take on some Virginia Intermont girls on their eventing course, which has been postponed once already. Being grounded ain't all that bad, though, it keeps her in her seat.

Curly

elizabeth[/QUOTE]

[BAC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dcm:
Here is most likely the OP was looking for: Bill Steinkraus. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Any picture of Bill Steinkraus' riding is a thing of beauty.

[EStieg12]

Bill Steinkraus - now THAT is a great picture showing great eq and a great auto release.

[Dragoon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by thelwell:

And Dragoon-wow you have beautiful equitation. I think the thing I love the most is that although it is very very nice, it does not look posed-it looks soft. I like that; it's functional and pretty. Good job. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

elizabeth <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you very much! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Unfortunately I've taken some time away from horses and I've lost that position a bit. But it's always been my goal to have that sort of "soft," effective equitation.

Thank you Quinn, BAC, EStieg12, RugBug, and Ketch for the compliments and input. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And now I shall bow down to the Steinkraus. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[glfprncs]

I think this is a darn good equitation picture...tell me what you think? Thoughts...comments...all welcome.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/glfprncs/detail?.dir=/e3b6&.dnm=13b3.jpg&.src=ph

[EStieg12]

Is that really a horse?!?! It kind of looks like a donkey. That is a crazy picture though!!!

[Weatherford]

Oh, that picture of Bill S... &lt;swoon&gt; - ANY picture of Bill on a horse over a fence (or on the flat for that matter!) GORGEOUS!!

And this evening I watched yet another International class, and saw riders with perfect soft auto releases and riders with a combination of releases and riders who didn't release at all... The ones who leaned on the neck, WITHOUT FAIL (regardless of country of origin! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) got into trouble! Granted there weren't many, but just enough to create pain!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Weatherford]

OK, here is another one - well, perhaps his heel isn't quite down enough... but.... look at the hand and look at the expression on the horse's face!

[Weatherford]

ANother one of Steinkraus - this time on Sinjon

[Ketch]

I LOVE THAT PICTURE!

[Madeline]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by glfprncs:
I think this is a darn good equitation picture...tell me what you think? Thoughts...comments...all welcome.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/glfprncs/detail?.dir=/e3b6&.dnm=13b3.jpg&.src=ph <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nice. But no GLOVES!!!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

[Madeline]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Weatherford:
OK, here is another one - well, perhaps his heel isn't quite down enough... but.... look at the hand and look at the expression on the horse's face! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I love that photo! Not often that you see a horse jumping the standard with such comfort and confidence...

[EStieg12]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Madeline:

Nice. But no GLOVES!!!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL. ahhhh hahah.

[Beethoven]

of course this is an example of great eq:

http://equestrian.com.my/images/george_morris.jpg

[almost star]

&lt;Nice. But no GLOVES!!!!!!&gt;

Forget that - NO HAT !!!

But the helmets in those days were not very good, anyway.

[Beethoven]

not too bad either:

http://www.bridleandbit.com/artman/uploads/margiegoldsteinnhs03-1489.jpg

[glfprncs]

I'm still searching, but to no avail. There was a picture that GM discussed in his Chronicle article about equitation. The example he gave, and the picture WAS phenomenal, was of Andre Dignelli and Gaelic. Does anyone remember that? Exemplary leg, automatic release, britches grazes the saddle.

[MistyBlue]

Weatherford...that one of Arco is a picture of flying...not jumping! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif