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Fantastic
Sep. 30, 2010, 03:54 PM
Could I get away with a childs saddle? If so, how small?

I keep seeing small/childs saddles and wonder if they'd work, or am I dreaming?

ponymom64
Sep. 30, 2010, 04:00 PM
Not sure if that would work, it really depends on a lot of things, like the style of the flap and depth of the seat.

By way of example, my DD is 5'2", a size 2 and outgrew her pony saddles 1 1/2 years ago. Her current saddle is a 17". It has a deeper seat and because she is long from hip to knee, needed a more forward (but not longer flap)

Fantastic
Sep. 30, 2010, 04:16 PM
Thanks ponymom64! Hmm, length of hip to knee: do you happen to know what her measurement is? What is normal vs what is considered short?

I am guessing that I am short, but I dunno. My standing hip to knee is 16.5".

Fantastic
Sep. 30, 2010, 04:19 PM
Oh, and I ride with a much longer leg under me than is correct, because I am a dressage rider and the short stirrup, knee hiked up just doesn't feel right to me. So, maybe that will make a difference in seat size, too?

flopsaut
Sep. 30, 2010, 04:29 PM
Oh, and I ride with a much longer leg under me than is correct, because I am a dressage rider and the short stirrup, knee hiked up just doesn't feel right to me. So, maybe that will make a difference in seat size, too?

Nah.
The biggest size seat you can get a child's saddle in is 15 1/2" (unless this has changed since I was a kid?). I'm 5'2" and wear kids' size clothing, but kids' size saddle? Nope. Mine is a 16 1/2".

ponymom64
Sep. 30, 2010, 04:31 PM
Nah.
The biggest size seat you can get a child's saddle in is 15 1/2" (unless this has changed since I was a kid?). I'm 5'2" and wear kids' size clothing, but kids' size saddle? Nope. Mine is a 16 1/2".

Pessoa makes a 15 3/4 but that was the most recent one we outgrew

Nickelodian
Sep. 30, 2010, 04:37 PM
I'm 5'2, wear a size 0. I can also wear size 14 or 16 children's (in skirts). I ride in a 16.5 Amerigo. I can ride in a pony saddle when I have to, but it wouldn't be comfortable for every day. I also have a long leg for my height, 18" from hip to knee, and require a forward flap due to this.

*JumpIt*
Sep. 30, 2010, 04:41 PM
I am 5'1 and 100lb, I ride in a 16.5.

http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/54406583@N04/5038050756/

Fashion Police
Sep. 30, 2010, 04:42 PM
could you get away with it? depends on what you're trying to get away with. I've seen a not skinny, 5' 6-ish trainer hop on a pony with a 15" saddle and give it a what-for very effectively. Didn't look very pretty, and I can't imagine it was that comfortable for either the trainer or the pony. But she got away with it.

If you're over 5' and a size 4 I can't imagine you could squish into anything smaller than a 16 1/2" - I'd guess you're probably a 17", and in some saddles possibly 17 1/2. The deeper the seat the larger size you'll need.
As someone else pointed out, it has a lot to do with your hip-to-knee length, and a lot on the angle of the flap of the saddle you're trying.

Look for a few fingers width behind your backside, and a bit of flap in front of your knee,you don't want to be hanging over. That's where riding with a longer stirrup will help you fit into a smaller saddle (leg-wise) (but not backside-wise).

mvp
Sep. 30, 2010, 05:22 PM
I'm about your size and would like to ride with a pretty straight, toes turned forward dressage leg.

I like a 16.5 with a straight flap. I also like some 16"ers but I don't buy those because I to maximize surface area on the horse's back. I wouldn't buy a 15 3/4" even though it is financially *so* tempting for brands like Pessoa.

enjoytheride
Sep. 30, 2010, 05:25 PM
The kids saddles have really short flaps, you might fit in a 16 but the flaps would not fit right.

Also, even though a longer stirrup makes you feel more secure because you are used to it from dressage, in reality it will make you less secure and cause your leg to swing when you jump. You are much better off riding as short as your trainer wants you to ride and soon you will be just as confident in shorter stirrups.

The Centaurian
Sep. 30, 2010, 05:27 PM
Thanks ponymom64! Hmm, length of hip to knee: do you happen to know what her measurement is? What is normal vs what is considered short?

I am guessing that I am short, but I dunno. My standing hip to knee is 16.5".

IIRC, length from hip to knee = saddle seat size.

pinkme
Sep. 30, 2010, 06:00 PM
I rode in a kids Antares for a long time, while mine was being made..didnt look bad, felt fine..and I am 5'5
Go sit in some..

tamarak_equestrian
Sep. 30, 2010, 06:12 PM
Nah.
The biggest size seat you can get a child's saddle in is 15 1/2" (unless this has changed since I was a kid?). I'm 5'2" and wear kids' size clothing, but kids' size saddle? Nope. Mine is a 16 1/2".
This. I'm 5'2", size 26/28 breeches and my saddle is a 16 1/2 (I do hunters so it's 16 1/2 M 2 1/2 Childeric to be exact, not a dressage model). I have a 16 that I can still ride in, but I like the 16 1/2 better.

kisstherain
Sep. 30, 2010, 07:27 PM
I'm 5'2," wear a size 4 or 6 in most pants, and ride in a 15.5" Antares. Most days it's fine, but on some days (for what ever reason), it's a total crotch masher. It's a semi-deep seat. I don't think I'd have the "mashing" problem if it were a flat seat. Flaps are good (normal length and forwardness...although I'd like them just a hair more forward).

For what it's worth, I brought it to an Antares rep to look into ordering the same saddle in a 16" or 16.5" and he was baffled as to why I wanted a different saddle and he thought it looked like a good fit.

lesson junkie
Sep. 30, 2010, 07:32 PM
OP-unless you are very short from the knee to the back of your hip, you are going to need a 16 1/2.

I am 5'2", 100lbs. I am long from knee to hip. My saddle is a 16 1/2 with a long flap.

Just for grins, try sitting in a varity of different seats, from 15 to 17, and without looking at the size, decide what feels the best.

pony4me
Sep. 30, 2010, 08:14 PM
I'm about your size and have a 15 3/4 Smith Worthington, and a 16" Pessoa. Currently looking for a new saddle due to wear on the Pessoa, and like the Arc de Triumphe very much. They come in a 15.5 and a 16.5 so trainer wants me to try both before I commit.

trinityhill
Sep. 30, 2010, 09:09 PM
I am also 5' 1 1/2", breeches size 26" and I finally found the perfect fit for me in my replacement saddle that I got after tree twisted in my Pessoa A/O Jr. (go Pessoa for standing by it even through it was very old and replacing it with a brand new saddle!!!). It is the new Pessoa Genx Natural 16" with a forward flap. I fit in the kids 15 3/4" and 16" seats but my knee would pop in front of the flap when I picked the stirrups up to jump. Felt like I was swimming in our 16.5" or 17" saddles. But like everyone is saying it is up to your hip to knee length. Sit in a bunch of different saddles and you'll find your match.

Alterrain
Sep. 30, 2010, 09:20 PM
I ride in a kids saddle (15" Butet) but I am significantly smaller than you. 4'10, 90 lbs. I think I am about the max for that size saddle (and I hear that Butet's run large? Although I don't know since I have never not ridden in one)

So, my vote is no. sorry :)

terasa
Sep. 30, 2010, 09:58 PM
I'm 5'2" and ride in a stubben juventus saddle. I bought it because although it is a 'youth' saddle with approriate sized flaps for my short legs, it also comes with up to a 17" seat :)

Madeline
Sep. 30, 2010, 11:09 PM
IIRC, length from hip to knee = saddle seat size.

Where to where? Point of hip to top of kneecap I'm 19.5". My 17.5 saddle is a little short flap wise, but I can't see need ing a 19.5 saddle. Especially since my horse has a roach back. There are not enough front riser pads to level me up with a tree that long...

Darkstar
Oct. 1, 2010, 06:01 AM
Pessoa makes a 15 3/4 but that was the most recent one we outgrew

I just sold my Pessoa 15 3/4. I had it in a regular flap (although I think you used to be able to get a long flap) and I am 5'1, size 2/4 clothes. However, I am really short legged, and it worked for me for about 4 years. That said - when I was away at college I was riding in a lot of different saddles - many of them 16 1/2, and sometimes I fit into them and sometimes I swam. Really, just go to the store and sit in a bunch of them. I found that that saddles like County Stabilizer ran a bit big for me, while some of the Prestige's fit me amazing.

Piadosa
Oct. 1, 2010, 10:30 AM
I'm 5'2 with a horribly short femur. When I was in my early teens I had a custom saddle made, and actually got what the fitter said was a kids/pony version since it was so small. I outgrew it as I reached 19-20 years old...I blame the teenage metabolism failing to stay with me lol.

I ride in a real adult saddle now. It's a 16.5", but I ordered the short flap and had it shortened even more.

The Centaurian
Oct. 1, 2010, 12:48 PM
Where to where? Point of hip to top of kneecap I'm 19.5". My 17.5 saddle is a little short flap wise, but I can't see need ing a 19.5 saddle. Especially since my horse has a roach back. There are not enough front riser pads to level me up with a tree that long...

You're pretty much measuring your femur. So from your kneecap to where your femur attaches to your hip.

It sounds like you did it this way, though, which puts you in the ballpark of a 16.5:
http://www.thorowgood.com/fitting_guide_01.html

I prefer a slightly-too-large saddle to a slightly-too-small one, because if the saddle is too small for me, the placement of the stirrup bar (in front of my center of balance) can really make me fight to stay centered. Some people will have trouble with their seatbones being wider than the seat or with their knees jutting over the flaps if the seat size is too small for them.

Good luck with your search!

Indy
Oct. 1, 2010, 02:40 PM
I'm 4'10" and ride in a 16" Beval. My legs can fit in a smaller saddle but my ass cannot.
I'm also fairly comfortable in a 16 1/2" but I prefer a snugger saddle fit so I like my 16.

Fantastic
Oct. 1, 2010, 03:38 PM
Lots of Itty Bitties out there! :D So that's where all of the 16.5" saddles have gone - to all of you!

Your response has been seriously helpful! I guess that I sadly cannot fit into a 15.5" Pessoa, then? Oh poo! And the price was so right!