Feb 20th - R.I.P. poor Foxy ...

[Spot]

... and just when I said I wouldnt go and do that again ... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I LOVE this mare! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

She has the stockings in behind that go up the face of her gaskin, the white leg in front, a totally bald face with an ice blue eye on her right side and a brown one on her left side.
She is by a very well known sabino TB stallion named Blueyemoment that had two ice blue eyes, and to add to that - her grandsire is Indian Hemp - the same sabino lines that you find in See Me Come En's pedigree - another lovely sabino TB stallion!

She will be getting on the trailer in ... oh ... about 30 minutes now and should be here by Tuesday or Wednesday.

Here is the link to her on line videos - there are 2 of her - the ones that say "Mattie"

I just LOVE the way this mare moves and jumps - she is so neat and makes it looks so easy as well!


http://www3.telus.net/farthink/

And Ive posted one picture of her here

"Spot"

[This message was edited by Spot on Feb. 20, 2004 at 09:23 PM.]

[Spot]

... and just when I said I wouldnt go and do that again ... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I LOVE this mare! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

She has the stockings in behind that go up the face of her gaskin, the white leg in front, a totally bald face with an ice blue eye on her right side and a brown one on her left side.
She is by a very well known sabino TB stallion named Blueyemoment that had two ice blue eyes, and to add to that - her grandsire is Indian Hemp - the same sabino lines that you find in See Me Come En's pedigree - another lovely sabino TB stallion!

She will be getting on the trailer in ... oh ... about 30 minutes now and should be here by Tuesday or Wednesday.

Here is the link to her on line videos - there are 2 of her - the ones that say "Mattie"

I just LOVE the way this mare moves and jumps - she is so neat and makes it looks so easy as well!


http://www3.telus.net/farthink/

And Ive posted one picture of her here

"Spot"

[This message was edited by Spot on Feb. 20, 2004 at 09:23 PM.]

[Spot]

and her other side (the less colorful one)

Nikita has a picture of this lovely palomino & white sabino Welsh pony (it honestly looks like Sato in mini version! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ) and he has the ice blue eyes as well. I hope that she sees this and posts the picture of him.

I am ***hoping*** that this cross with Sato will produce the coolest looking palomino & white foal with ice blue eyes. Now THAT would be SO neat!

"Spot"

[showjumpers66]

She looks nice ... congrats

Quantum Leap Farm (http://www.quantumleapfarm.com/~bsikkink/)

[jparkes]

Wow Spot, you have a way of finding them, don't you? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

She doesn't have the hunter type movement that I like, but she sure is an eye catcher. What are your plans for her?

Oh, BTW, I never heard anything for the individual that had the paint mare for sale. Not sure if she had already sold her. But, after two emails and no response, I'm going to pass on her.

Secretplace Farm
www.spfarm.com (http://www.spfarm.com)

[hunt_jump]

Spot, you have mail http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif I am very excited for you!

~ hunt_jump ~
http://home.cfl.rr.com/huntjump

[Policy of Truth]

yea, Spot! You GO girl! I really like her!

[jilltx]

She is really lovely, Spot!! Good luck with her!

~Jilltx
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[Painted Wings]

Very pretty mare, should be wonderful for you.

-Painted Wings

Set youself apart from the crowd, ride a paint horse, you're sure to be spotted

[Nikita]

Ah Jasper. I missed buying him by about 1/2 an hour. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I'm still beyond ticked at myself for even hesitating one minute. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Hopefully he has a nice home.

That would be so neat if you got a blue eyed blond kid with some nice white splotches here and there! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

[Lord Helpus]

Very nice! What makes eyes blue v. brown? Is it unusual to have one blue and one brown eye?

I am learning about all this colored horse stuff. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[Spot]

hunt jump - I LOVE the movement on that filly! How awesome ... and me too - I LOVE the blue eyes. They are just so neat and so different.

I remember when GGold brought her Blue Eyed Angel mare to us to breed to Spot Pocket many years ago. She had the big apron face (more white than a bald face!) and 2 ice blue eyes.
My mares all took one look at her and ran away snorting, and then all stood in a row - on guard - snorting and watching her. She was here for long enough for breeding that we integrated her into the herd, but I had to keep a fly mask on her because of the sun (otherwise she'd burn and peel horribly) but also because it was the only way the others would allow her near the hay or the water. With a fly mask on, she looked just like one of them ...

You wonder what they think or see when they look at them.

"Spot"

[Spot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Very nice! What makes eyes blue v. brown? Is it unusual to have one blue and one brown eye?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its a sabino trait, LH, and is an indicator of color production abilities.

GGold has a lovely chestnut TB stallion named Albadou, and he has one navy blue eye and one ice blue eye (picture enclosed).
He's unusual in that his ice blue eye is on a chestnut background. Usually these blue eyes occur as part of a bald face - thats where you see them most often.

Yes - it is unusual to have one brown and one blue eye. Not so much in Paints or Clyde's, but VERY unusual in TB's since they dont traditionally have that sabino gene pool to pull from over the years.

"Spot"

[Galileo1998]

Congrats Spot!! She's beautiful http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Spot]

and a picture of Blue Eyed Angel, the lovely TB mare that GGold owned that died as a result of foaling complications when delivering a gorgeous Spot Pocket filly (with 2 blue eyes and an apron face as well)

This mare was SO unusual in the TB breed, with her apron face and 2 blue eyes. You simply do not see anything like her in a TB. She looked like she had black eyeliner around her eyes - she was the neatest looking mare in the whole wide world!

I think she was the most gorgeous mare I had seen in a long long time and what a horrible shame to have lost her.

"Spot"

[Hidden Hill Farm]

Here's an interesting blue eyed boy for you.

[Hidden Hill Farm]

a closer look

[Hidden Hill Farm]

other side

[Hidden Hill Farm]

Action shot.
Maybe some of you color breeders out there could help me figure out where to market this colt.


Spot, I just love your new mare!!!
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[showjumpers66]

He's cute, Hidden Hill! I love his black rimmed blue eyes. Is he by Kodachrome? I think the color trend may be dying down a bit and that there is not as much interest as there was. I have not had much interest in my pinto colt, but he is very unusual looking.
Some people do not like his blue/brown marbled eyes. Underneath the color he is very nice.

Quantum Leap Farm (http://www.quantumleapfarm.com/~bsikkink/)

[hunt_jump]

Wow, what a neat looking boy Hidden Hill. I haven't been active in the show world except in a distance in the past few years, but I think that at least in the hunters people still want the more conservative tobianos or minimal overos if they go for color. The last year that I was showing heavily (2000), Hall Decked Out was showing and doing quite well and there was an incredible paint (I think he was APHA not WB, but he looked WB) stallion showing at WEF in the greens. But you still saw much more color in the ponies and lower hunter divisions than in the big hunter divisions. Is this still true?

~ hunt_jump ~
http://home.cfl.rr.com/huntjump

[hunt_jump]

Spot,
Yes, I really love that filly and can't wait to see this year's foal (a full sibling). I think in another year or so when that filly is old enough to breed that she would cross very nicely with a TB stud (if she doesn't sell before then).

~ hunt_jump ~
http://home.cfl.rr.com/huntjump

[Spot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I haven't been active in the show world except in a distance in the past few years, but I think that at least in the hunters people still want the more conservative tobianos or minimal overos if they go for color. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I tend to agree. Even in the APHA world, they REALLY want the minimally marked sabino's (and that means stockings, white on the face and a little splish of color somewhere) rather than the REALLY loud sabino's which are not coveted and successful in the English classes.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Wow, what a neat looking boy Hidden Hill. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree! He's darling! What is his breeding?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I think in another year or so when that filly is old enough to breed that she would cross very nicely with a TB stud (if she doesn't sell before then).
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed! Thats where RFF has been so successful in their breeding program, getting these 9/10th's and 15/16th's TB for the APHA shows, with the minimal, HZ coloring on them as well.

"Spot"

[Hidden Hill Farm]

Thanks for the kind words.
Actually, the horse is now a gelding. His name is Merlin the Magician. He is by the Oldenburg stallion Kodachrome (Art Deco x Rex's Turn) out of a paint mare. I don't even know how to price him as a rising 2 y.o. since he's sort of out of our area of expertise. I was thinking around $7500 is that too cheap?

[Hidden Hill Farm]

Here's an example of a more typical Kodachrome hunter type baby. Although, he's out of a Kody mare and by Radjah Z. This one is definitely a hunter prospect (and not for sale). http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Spot]

HHF - how tall is he right now? And what does a string test say about his mature height?

He has a lovely topline and is a beautiful mover. I would say that he probably has too much white for the hunter crowd, so you will need to target the dressage, or jumper/event crowd with him. I believe that they are a tougher sell than the hunter buyers as there is a longer return on investment on them.

I would also say that if you can wait for another year with him and get him green broke, you will realize a better dollar for him than if you try and sell him as a gawky and growing and unbroke youngster, but hey - I could be wrong on that and you could get mega dollars for him tomorrow!

"Spot"

[hunt_jump]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hidden Hill Farm:
Thanks for the kind words.
Actually, the horse is now a gelding. His name is Merlin the Magician. He is by the Oldenburg stallion Kodachrome (Art Deco x Rex's Turn) out of a paint mare. I don't even know how to price him as a rising 2 y.o. since he's sort of out of our area of expertise. I was thinking around $7500 is that too cheap?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmm, so what type of market do you think he will bring? I would wonder about the event market maybe, but he seems a bit young (but then again I know nothing of that market). There again, if he has the jump, I would think he might interest some of the jumper market (but again he would be a bit young). That is a tough one. I do really like the Kodachromes in the pictures I have seen.

~ hunt_jump ~
http://home.cfl.rr.com/huntjump

[Hidden Hill Farm]

Thanks for the advice Spot. He was sort of an expirament. I don't really have a feel for those markets. He's still in Canada. Since I agree that he's not going to be a hunter, I'd rather just sell him. Do you think my asking price is reasoanble?

[Hidden Hill Farm]

Thanks hunt_jump. I just love your boy Dillon!
I've admired him for quite some time!!

[hunt_jump]

Thanks Hidden Hill http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I haven't had the opportunity to spend much time with him thanks to my health problems in the past few years, but I think he is going to make someone a very nice horse (if I ever manage to sell him). He will always have a special place in my heart too because he is so much like his dad (he is my first experience with owning two generations as I used to own and show his sire who is one of my all time favorite horses).

~ hunt_jump ~
http://home.cfl.rr.com/huntjump

[showjumpers66]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Spot:
I tend to agree. Even in the APHA world, they REALLY want the minimally marked sabino's (and that means stockings, white on the face and a little splish of color somewhere) rather than the REALLY loud sabino's which are not coveted and successful in the English classes.
"Spot"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, Spot, in the APHA world they covet the minimally marked overo and not sabino. They prefer to have little to no white markings on legs. Just blazes and some belly white.

Quantum Leap Farm (http://www.quantumleapfarm.com/~bsikkink/)

[showjumpers66]

I am probably going to keep my pinto boy. I have not been pushing to sell him like I should, because I really like him. I wish he was marked differently, but he has a wonderful temperament and personality. I LOVE his canter ... it is very round and naturally collected. He has a gorgeous neck and shoulder. My friend, who shows APHA, is gaga over him and is wanting to show him in western riding (they have to do a pattern similiar to a dressage test), dressage, trail, and showmanship at the Pinto World in a couple of years. I just have to shake my head ...

Quantum Leap Farm (http://www.quantumleapfarm.com/~bsikkink/)

[Hidden Hill Farm]

Merlin will probably finish up around 16.2.
His dam is a 16.1h paint mare with a lot of TB in her.

[shadytrake]

Spot can I PT you about this mare?

"If Noah had been truly wise, he would have swatted those two flies."-Helen Castle

Proud member of the Clean Horse, Dirty House Clique! Founder of the Goodbye Fat, Hello Muscle Clique!

[PaintBy#s]

Hey Spot-

I wanted to post this earlier but I guess with my ol scateered brain, I fergot or something else caught my attention LOL

How DO you find them? LOl cmon you can share SOME of your secrets with us http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[showjumpers66]

I usually see 2 or 3 sabino mares at the local race auctions. Usually they are chestnut, although I saw a fabulous bay a few months ago, about 16.1 h, right type, about 5 yrs old, who went for about $1500. I thought about bidding on her, but I already have a very nice TB mare.

Quantum Leap Farm (http://www.quantumleapfarm.com/~bsikkink/)

[PaintBy#s]

LOL showjumpers contact the crowd next time http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Thanks for gearing me in some right directions

[slc2]

i probably didn't see all the pictures, but there isn't any indication that either of the two horses you bought are sabinos.

of these photos, none of these horses give indication of sabino coloring. a large blaze or irregular leg markings in and of themselves are not sabino coloring, they are just white markings. there are a few other photos of paints, but i didn't see any sabino horses in this thread.

i looked at all the pictures attached, i didn't look at all the pictures on all the farm links posted, but on the attached pictures, i saw no sabino horses.

[showjumpers66]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by slc:
i probably didn't see all the pictures, but there isn't any indication that either of the two horses you bought are sabinos.

of these photos, none of these horses give indication of sabino coloring. a large blaze or irregular leg markings in and of themselves are not sabino coloring, they are just white markings. there are a few other photos of paints, but i didn't see any sabino horses in this thread.

i looked at all the pictures attached, i didn't look at all the pictures on all the farm links posted, but on the attached pictures, i saw no sabino horses.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

slc, check the first 3 photos on page one ... the mare and colt are both sabino, but the other photos are showing blue eyes. The mare, Marilyn, has a very large irregular blaze with socks going up her stifles. The colt, Jasper, has the blaze, socks, and body spots.

Quantum Leap Farm (http://www.quantumleapfarm.com/~bsikkink/)

[showjumpers66]

This colt is sabino/overo with blue/brown marbled eyes ...

Dude (http://www.quantumleapfarm.com/dudeMay31C.jpg)

Quantum Leap Farm (http://www.quantumleapfarm.com/~bsikkink/)

[Spot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> slc, check the first 3 photos on page one ... the mare and colt are both sabino, but the other photos are showing blue eyes. The mare, Marilyn, has a very large irregular blaze with socks going up her stifles. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The mare I bought would qualify for APHA Regular registry (if we could get all of the necessary paperwork in order that is!) in 2 or possibly 3 areas:

1) the right hind stocking goes almost to her stifle. Qualifying area.
2) the left hind stocking goes above her hock - not 100% sure how high, if that would qualify her or not
3) the right facial marking qualifies her as being greater than 2 inches past a straight line drawn from the corner of her mouth to the base of her ear. Qualifying area on her face.
4) the blue eye in itself is not a qualifying area, but it is also an additional sabino "marker" and one that is noted on their registration papers as an additional overo/sabino Paint trait

Hope this clarifies

"Spot"

[vxf111]

Showjumpers66, Do you really find Puchi's Rambo ugly? Pretty is as pretty does-- he's thrown some NICE babies that have been posted on this board.

~Veronica

P.S.- Spot, your new girl is adorable. I love cropout paints! And she's a very attractively marked one.

"The Son Dee Times"
"Sustained"

[vxf111]

Oh okay, I misunderstood you. Agreed that if he was shown as a hunter, his color might negatively affect his placing. But--He's produced some lovely, lovely foals. And I actually think he's kind of cute http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif That's not the most flattering picture of him I've ever seen.

~Veronica

"The Son Dee Times"
"Sustained"

[Nikita]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by vxf111:
Showjumpers66, Do you really find Puchi's Rambo ugly? Pretty is as pretty does-- he's thrown some NICE babies that have been posted on this board.

~Veronica<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here's my Puchi's Rambo baby. Not much colour - even less than the dam - but I think she's cute. Sorry about the picture quality, it was scanned from a photo before I had my indispensible digital camera.

Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

[showjumpers66]

LOVELY!!!!

Quantum Leap Farm (http://www.quantumleapfarm.com/~bsikkink/)

[jbonifas]

Love your new purchase. Where did you ever find her. she looks like she would be right up my alley.

[Spot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Love your new purchase. Where did you ever find her. she looks like she would be right up my alley. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks everyone. I do too! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It wasnt just her coloring that made her a neat purchase, but also her bloodlines and the blue eyes - all REALLY strong sabino indicators. A friend of mine with access to the TB pedigree records said that the stallion has produced a whack of horse with "Blue eye" something or other in their names, including her full sister named "Blueyesintexas", so it seems like the blue eyes/sabino traits are perpetuating themselves even when bred to non sabino mares, which is a good sign!

Can hardly wait for her to arrive!

Thanks again everyone for your nice comments - I really appreciate it!

"Spot"

[Fred]

congratulations Spot! here's hoping you get a wild (coloured!) and wonderful baby. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[atom]

Hi Spot,

congratulations from Germany, you have bought a very nice mare. Best wishes for your breeding, the mare and the coming baby !!

Mandy

[Norsire]

jbonifas <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Love your new purchase. Where did you ever find her. she looks like she would be right up my alley. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
She was on equine.com under Foxy Foxy as her name, I saw her a while back..about a month ago...she is coming 10 or so as I remember and she was just older than I liked and not very wild colored in my book, but lovely mare...do like her looks. The owner is a very nice guy and she is in Canada.

FOXY FOXY
For Sale ID:757843
STATE: Alberta Canada FOAL DATE: April 1994
CITY: Calgary HEIGHT: 16.0 hands
BREED: Thoroughbred WEIGHT: n/a
SEX: Mare PRICE: $ 2,300
COLOR: Chestnut OTHER COLORS: lots of white
REG'D WITH: The Jockey Club (9424945) PEDIGREE: Click Here
DISCIPLINES: Brood Mare
Dressage (Prospect)
Hunter (Prospect)
Jumper (Prospect)
ATTRIBUTES: None

All prices and fees are in US dollars unless otherwise noted.
Be sure to contact owner for updated information.
Not responsible for erroneous information.

Memo
This is a gorgeous Thoroughbred mare; fabulous mover brave athletic and smart. Her movement is excellent she has a long stride and achieves lovely elevation and presence much like a warmblood. She has been in training now for 4 1/2 months; the trainer says she is "really fun to ride" and is quite impressed by her scope. She has shown a big athletic jump great with flipping her back end and is very steady brave and bold. She is definately quite unique and I think will make a great amateur jumper or perhaps more with training. She also probably qualifies for Paint registration. This mare would also make an incedible broodmare particularly crossed with a warmblood. She has had a recent pre-purchase exam and the reults are fine Videoclip available on request. Experienced handler / rider is necessary.

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[This message was edited by Norsire on Feb. 16, 2004 at 10:59 AM.]

[carosello]

Her face looks rather remarkable to me...wow I have never seen any colored TB's in person.
And at 10 she should be right in the prime of her life! Congrats!

GOV stallion Auction http://www.oldenburghorse.com/auctionpage.html

[slc2]

white markings on legs and face do not prove a horse is sabino, nor do blue eyes, that is what i am saying. which is a fact.

[can't re-]

Congrats Spot, I think she is lovely! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Spot]

you know how you dont buy anything for awhile, and then you figure - what the heck - here's a nice mare - lets buy her! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif
And you are VERY happy with your decision http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif, and you envision lovely blue eyed palomino & white foals in your future for many years to come ... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

... then... along comes another REALLY neat mare, out of the blue, and you say "Gee! She is nice too! I just HAVE to have her too, and if I am REALLY REALLY careful and crafty and secretive, hubby will never find out and I can have ANOTHER lovely palomino & white sabino foal running around next year!

Its a sickness, isnt it?!

So - here for your viewing pleasure is another very nice chestnut sabino mare with the funkiest looking face markings and the wildest looking leg markings going!

So - whats the general consensus? Do I risk my marriage and financial security and close my eyes and just get it over and done with and buy her ???

... sigh ... so many decisions to make ...

"Spot"

[can't re-]

Oh no, Spot, you cannot risk your marriage. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif
You MUST breed this mare to Sato and send her to me! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Galileo1998]

Oh THAT'S easy. Just buy her http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Nikita]

Lie, lie, fib, lie some more and then lie a couple more times. Oh wait... no that's me. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif

You're the one with the husband that lets you have anything you want any time you want it... right? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif
Buy the damn mare. And stop the whining. It's just not becoming.

Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

[Draygonfyne]

I agree with Galileo. Face it Spot...buying mares is a sickness. The sooner you stop fighting it and accept it for what it is and learn to just go with it...the better! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Besides...how many of us would REALLY pick our hubby's over our horses if push came to shove! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

www.draygonfynedesign.ca (http://www.draygonfynedesign.ca)

[Nikita]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Draygonfyne:
Besides...how many of us would REALLY pick our hubby's over our horses if push came to shove! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
...waving madly...
NOT ME! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

[Riggs]

Wow Spot, doesnt that last one look like a Spot Pocket??!

[mistyjewell]

No spot, you PT me where you saw the mare, let me buy her, I'll even breed her to your guy, and I'll tell you how the foal comes out http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Heck, I'll even let you keep the first foal if it's palimino with blue eyes, and then you give me a free breeding to him the next year http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Deal?

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[Whiskey Lullaby]

Here's one for y'all (http://www.ponycity.net/spud.html)

Congrats! She's awesome!

Speak kindly to your little horse,
And soothe him when he wheezes,
Or he may turn his back on you,
And kick you where he pleases.

[Spot]

Nickersngrins - if THAT was a TB mare, I think I'd be buying TWO more!
She is SO neat! She looks like a Halloween costume with her markings! And I LOVE the one white ear / one black ear she has going on there!

mistyjewell (or anyone else for that matter) if I dont get her, let me know who else can use her (PT or email me - truecolours@cogeco.ca). I'd hate to see a nice sabino TB mare go to waste or to someone who wont appreciate what they have. She is affordably priced so will be a good buy for someone

"Spot"

[Riggs]

Spot, out of curiosity, IS she a Spot Pocket?

[Norsire]

Buy her! Why not add just one more???? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Do you still own all the ones that are currently on your site or have you sold all of the ones you purchased last year? What's one more! Just tell hubby he is color blind and this new breed of TB's have moving spots and tell he is just confussed,,,it is not a new mare! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

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[Spot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Spot, out of curiosity, IS she a Spot Pocket? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No - she's not. Her name is Leggs to Go or Leggs to Spare or something like that.
NO idea yet what her bloodline info is, but I am sure I will be finding out soon! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


"Spot"

[sophab]

You can take the tact that Soph's father's owner did..."no dear, that cat isn't pregnant, she's just fat...in fact, I think I need to have her thyroid tested" and then once the kittens arrive "no honey, we've always had those cats, how can you forget? I swear there are no more here now than there were the last time you came down to the barn..."
Hmm...wonder if that will work on Nathan if I breed Abby again "no honey, I swear, she is just a fat old mare" and then when the baby arrives "God, it's been so long since you came to visit that you don't even recognize Soph?"

[Little Indian]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lord Helpus:
Very nice! What makes eyes blue v. brown? Is it unusual to have one blue and one brown eye?

I am learning about all this colored horse stuff. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i don't know the anwser to this question, but i know a filly who has one ice blue eye and one half blue half brown (straight down themiddle) she is stunning and is a med. hat/tovero DWB/APHA X
here she is
Lipstick confo (http://community.webshots.com/photo/117168765/117174433pcxzXS)
Lips (http://community.webshots.com/photo/117168765/117172708lWjSzh)
and
you can kind of the the half blue in this picture (http://community.webshots.com/photo/117168765/117172239wuUEmG)

Hali
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[This message was edited by Little Indian on Feb. 16, 2004 at 06:29 PM.]

[Spot]

Little Indian - Lips is stunning!

Is the black around her eye natural or did they have it tattoed on?

I am falling more in love with these blue eyed horses - they are SO neat looking!

"Spot"

[Cinda]

There is a white TB mare for sale!! only thing is that she's in Australia!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I hope the link worksWhite TB (http://www.horsepoint.com.au/srch-usedequip-item.asp?intItmSOID=650169&iDPhoto=0)

Cinda

[showjumpers66]

Cinda, I know that it is not a very good photo, but her back is very long and from the angle and the fact that she is standing downhill, she looks like she has no hind end and weak topline (although maybe she has had a foal every year). I love her neck and shoulder connection, though. It is too bad that they did not post a more flattering photo of her.

Quantum Leap Farm (http://www.quantumleapfarm.com/~bsikkink/)

[Spot]

as interesting as The Bride would be to import and have in our breeding program, when her owner approached me last year about her and we looked into importation and shipping costs to do so, it was astronomical and put her way out of reach.
Im in the shipping business myself, and even with net net costs on everything, it was truly scary to put all of the numbers together!

She is also a smaller mare and an older mare so it just didnt make sense to consider her, as much as I would have loved to have been in a position to do so!

"Spot"

[hunt_jump]

Wow, I really like the front end and bone of that white mare. To bad she is on the other side of the world.

~ hunt_jump ~
http://home.cfl.rr.com/huntjump

[Spot]

hunt-jump - that mare is just stunning!

God - I'd be over the moon if I produced that in a TB !

"Spot"

[Norsire]

When I imported Our White Lady, at a much younger age than The Bride the shipping was very costly. It was very costly and took 3 weeks from the day she left until she stepped foot on my farm. It was all worth it, since she produced an all white palomino colt for me on her first attempt to one of my cremellos. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

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[Amy]

Spot- nice looking mares! I would say I wish I had bought them but I already have too darn many! And I am not even breeding one of the mares this year that I bought specifically to breed to him~! Sigh!

slc- sorry but those are sabino markers- just stop and look at all the sabino horses that have been posted. From the APHA website on sabino coloring "When the sabino pattern is minimally expressed, the horse usually has four white socks and a blaze. Usually there is some betrayal of the fact that these are not the usual white marks on horses, due to some ragged edge or narrow and long extension up the leg. "

[Ingenious Donkey Cart]

Isn't white on the chin considered a sabino marking as well? The mare Spot bought definitely has that.

hunt_jump, I LOVE your friend's mare!

[hunt_jump]

Thanks IDC, she is a really neat mare and I can't wait to see this year's foal as I love her 2 yr old.

Amy - do you have a website? I would love to see pictures of some of your horses. You have a stud colt that Nancy bred right? Which one?

~ hunt_jump ~
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[showjumpers66]

In regards to The Bride, I am a little confused. Don't get me wrong, as I like color, but shouldn't quality be first and foremost over color?? Why would someone even consider spending a large amount of money importing this very average looking mare? Just because she will produce color???

This has concerned me in previous posts, too. Posters will give a horse merit due to its color, but there are other qualities that should be the priority ... i.e. conformation, type, soundness, movement, athletic ability, temperament, etc. I feel that this is misdirecting the novice breeders who visit these topics. When a breeder is so focused on just one trait, the overall picture becomes fuzzy. Not only is quality lost, but you also run the risk of creating other not so pretty problems which are reproduced generation after generation. This is seen quite frequently in dog breeding when heavy linebreeding occurs. And, it seems that there is linebreeding occuring with the sabino and dilute TBs. What undesirable traits are being "locked" in along with the color?

I have visited MANY colored sporthorse breeders' sites and have been very disappointed by the overall lack of quality. Although there is, without question, a handful that stands above the rest (Silverwood Farm is a shining example) whose main focus is quality and performance above color.

What is the colored sporthorse breeders' goal? To produce mediocre sporthorse prospects with high odds of color or to produce outstanding sporthorse prospects that might have color?

Quantum Leap Farm (http://www.quantumleapfarm.com/~bsikkink/)

[Spot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> And, it seems that there is linebreeding occuring with the sabino and dilute TBs. What undesirable traits are being "locked" in along with the color?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes - I will agree that there is some inbreeding/linebreeding/etc - whatever you want to call it with *some* of the dilute breeders.
With the sabino's - no - I cant say that I have noticed that at ALL!
Do you have any examples, because I truly dont.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>What is the colored sporthorse breeders' goal? To produce mediocre sporthorse prospects with high odds of color or to produce outstanding sporthorse prospects that might have color?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well - I know that I am firmly in Camp #2 in this equation! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I truly LOVE what we have been producing and their show and line successes can fully attest to that fact.
They are conformationally correct, they have the stride and the movement AND the colour, and THAT is my ultimate goal and what our program is all about.

So yes - I do feel that in a few short years I have accomplished the goals I have set out TO accomplish and I, and my clients are extremely happy with the results.

I have posted a picture of "Vegas" who is owned by Nikita and out of a winning "A" circuit hunter mare and is by Spot Pocket. He is a classic hunter type, and at the 15 months of age he is at in this picture, the absolute epitome of what coloured breeding is all about. No - we dont forego quality for colour - far from it, and I truly believe that you can have every attribute you want all wrapped up into one exquisitely coloured package IF you define your breeding goals properly, which we have done and continue to do, each and every breeding season.

"Spot"

[Amy]

hunt_jump- sorry no website. Yes I have a colt from Nancy. His official name is Stun N Remarque. I don't believe he was ever on her site, but his full sister was for awhile (Stun N Attire I think was her name). I have toyed every once in awhile with doing a site but have not gotten around to it yet. I am a small fry and don't really sell outside my lesson circle at the moment but I guess eventually...

[Amy]

Showjumpers- I don't think any colored breeders are going to jump in here and say they breed on for color and don't care about the quality. That would be silly. I personally have looked at many sites of colored breeders and have found a lot that do breed for quality. I, like most, look at quality, personality and then color. I (as I keep stating) am small so I must produce what I would not mind keeping for quite some time, training and then using for lessons/shows. I think we all consider these things. Of the foals I have had and raised to riding age so far they are all lovely horses and are too easy to work with. I have just been delighted with how they have come out. I hope to continue that now with just a little more icing on the cake!

[showjumpers66]

Spot, I was talking about importing The Bride and not your breedng program. And, there is linebreeding happening with the sabinos. You yourself listed lines that produce sabinos and many sabino TB breeders concentrate on the lines that produce moderate and maximally marked sabinos. Eventually, the genetic pool will shrink.

Amy, I don't expect breeders to step in and say that they are only breeding for color and it would be silly if they did, but my perception from the MANY websites that I have visited is that quality is lacking and the main focus is color. There are many photos of foals, but rarely are there photos of older horses being successful in their discipline of choice.

I am not out to attack anyones breeding program, but there have been countless posts when the only focus seems to be color. This forum is for voicing opinions and this is my perception.

Quantum Leap Farm (http://www.quantumleapfarm.com/~bsikkink/)

[Spot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And, there is linebreeding happening with the sabinos. You yourself listed lines that produce sabinos and many sabino TB breeders concentrate on the lines that produce moderate and maximally marked sabinos. Eventually, the genetic pool will shrink.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dont know showjumpers66 ... when I look at sabino mares to add to my program, yes - I do concentrate on KNOWN lines to breed to Sato, but I dont look for, nor would I, breed similar lines together.
I would assume 5 or 6 or 7 generations back there are similar ancestors and duplication happening, but none close enough that from a genetic perspective should be any concern at all.

There were no similarities with Spot Pocket and Puchi Trap when we bred them, there will be none with Special Lady / Elizabeth Victoria / Foxy Foxy when we breed them to Sato, etc, etc

Where I DO forsee a potential problem down the road in my specific market is if/when the APHA does pass its One Paint Parent Rule.
It was a small enough gene pool to pull from before Spot Pocket and Racey Remarque died, and it is smaller still as of today.
If that rule goes into effect, then yes - there is a very real problem of a non existent gene pool to pull from and some serious inbreeding going on down the road.

Hopefully by then, I will have retired to a tropical climate somewhere and will be lazing on the beach from morning til night with a Pina Colada in hand, or riding my bike along the beach ... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"Spot"

[Amy]

Spot- how did I know that this post was eventually going to have that picture of you riding your bike?? I assume that was not taken recently! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Showjumpers- ok I think I understand a bit more now. I think Spot has several youngsters that went on to do well in the show ring. I am sure there are more out there but I personally only know a few that are breeding tb's with color. Nancy is working towards racing some of her stock that is colored, and many of the others are simply too new in their programs. I am sure Norsire has some out there that are doing well- but she focuses more on the dilutes than the sabinos but I am guessing that is changing. RFF has sold a lot but I am not sure of the show records. They invest a lot of time and effort into the stallions of course and have done quite well with them.

Of course part of the show records on the offspring have to do with the homes they are placed in. Not everyone wants a show horse. Some just want a backyard companion and maybe do some local showing but definitely not A rated stuff. So I think it would be unfair to judge a young stallion based on numbers competing at high level- the base may be too narrow. Also look at how many they breed. I think RFF only has a few full Tb foals from Timely Roberto... not sure how many Spot Pocket sired. So if you are comparing Art Deco with say 100+ offspring and a couple make it to FEI level or do very well at A rated shows- well if you stallion only has 15 out there the numbers would be significantly less.

[Little Indian]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Spot:
Little Indian - Lips is stunning!

Is the black around her eye natural or did they have it tattoed on?

I am falling more in love with these blue eyed horses - they are SO neat looking!

"Spot"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
the black lining her eye is natural, and so is her"lipstick" hehe. hence her name http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
we actually vetted a gelding over in europe before we got gomez, he was a stunning animal...dutch warmblood and hanoverian breeding, dapple grey, and a left blue eye

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[Amy]

I have a tovero gelding that has the lining around one eye completely and about half of the other eye- I have thought of getting a tattoo but so far he is not having many problems... some eye drainage in the summer but that is all.

[Norsire]

Amy please check your private topics. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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[Amy]

Norsire- you have mail! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'll PT you when I know anything!

[showjumpers66]

I wish everyone the best of luck with their breeding venture. I think that there are several sabino/dilute colored TB breeders out there who make a huge effort to find nice mares. I think the offspring can be competitive in eventing and hunter ring.

But, bottom line - focusing on TBs of color, a breeder will never get a sabino foal of this quality ...

sabino filly (http://www.jumpstartfarm.faithweb.com/Bellasima1.jpg)

Quantum Leap Farm (http://www.quantumleapfarm.com/~bsikkink/)

[Amy]

showjumper~ what breed is that filly?

[showjumpers66]

TB/Dutch/Holsteiner

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[showjumpers66]

I probaby should add that I am talking about upper level dressage / showjumping as I think TBs have more than proven them selves as eventers and hunters!

Quantum Leap Farm (http://www.quantumleapfarm.com/~bsikkink/)

[Amy]

Just out of curiosity who owns the filly?

[Spot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I probaby should add that I am talking about upper level dressage / showjumping as I think TBs have more than proven them selves as eventers and hunters!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

agree 100%! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

I have never purported to breed dressage horses, nor would I think any of mine would be competitive past a certain point - probably medium levels at the very best.
They are bred very specifically for the HUS and hunter markets and yes - they could also probably do well as eventers and maybe as jumpers up to a certain level, but no - your filly (who is just stunning by the way!) would clean their clocks in the dressage ring, I am sure!

"Spot"

[Amy]

showjumper I think you are comparing breeding farms that are apples and oranges. If I came on here and said I was starting a breeding program based soley on breeding upper level tb dressage horses I would either get (1) laughed off the board (2) politely told that while Tb's are wonderful and their addition to other breeds is a good thing I would have a VERY hard time breeding tb's that could compete in dressage against wb's (upper level of course) or (3) people would roll their eyes and say 'she will learn eventually'. How many upper level Tb's are there PERIOD in dressage or showjumping?? Ok I admit I don't keep up with all the stats but I am pretty sure it is fairly low in comparison to other breeds.

So ask people to breed sabino tb's for hunter rings where they already do well. Why not since your contention is that the folks that are concentrating on sabino are not necessarily concentrating on quality. Why ask them to breed something NO OTHER tb breeder is doing anyway??

[Amy]

Norsire- check your Pt's! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Erin Pittman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Little Indian:
but i know a filly who has one ice blue eye and one half blue half brown (straight down themiddle) she is stunning and is a med. hat/tovero DWB/APHA X
here she is
http://community.webshots.com/photo/117168765/117174433pcxzXS
http://community.webshots.com/photo/117168765/117172708lWjSzh
and
http://community.webshots.com/photo/117168765/117172239wuUEmG
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is this filly by Sacred Indian by any chance? Or does she have Sacred Indian in there - she looks sooo much like several of his babies that I know of. Gorgeous. I know for a fact that my husband would kill me if I tried to sneak another horse in the pasture - I'm going to have to think fast about how to keep the 2005 foal(s) I get out of my mares...any ideas anyone (one Sempatico - definitely pinto, maybe one out of my frame overo/sabino mare by Feuertanzer, if there's $$ left for it)???? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Erin

[Little Indian]

her sire is actually a SOLID stallion standing at Spruce Meadows...her dam is the paint and not sure of her breeding.

Hali
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Triton (Gralshüter x Gomessa)
Brindaro (Banbury Errol x Mendul)
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[showjumpers66]

sabino filly info (http://www.jumpstartfarm.faithweb.com/progeny.htm)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Amy:
Just out of curiosity who owns the filly?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Quantum Leap Farm (http://www.quantumleapfarm.com/~bsikkink/)

[Spot]

You know - life just plain sucks at times ...

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

Foxy had a trailer accident in Calgary before she got more than an hour out. The owner had given her, what we believe was 3 cc's of Atravet in the vein to load her and totally knocked her out. When she came to in the trailer at 4:00 am, she panicked in the dark, confined and noisy space and totally flipped out and tore out 3 partitions and a window and when they pulled over, there was blood everywhere.
They made the decision to go back home with her and analyze her injuries, cleaned her up and said that she looks really bad. I had no idea of just how bad she was. They also said that she was "thin". I had no idea that "thin" meant Humane Society bonerack thin either ...

Supposedly they took her to their vet on Monday, he cleared her to travel, and she then began a 4 day journey to me.

She walked off the trailer yesterday in agony and hobbled on 3 legs to her stall. She was shaking and was in awful shape. When she lay down, she couldnt get up again and almost looked like she was convulsing.

Within an hour or so of lying down, eating and drinking she actually began to perk up a little, we tried looking at her leg (the worst injuries occured on both hocks - one on the side of the hock and the other on the point of the hock)
The one on the side looked like dead tissue that had already died off and was starting to scab over and heal. The one on the point of the hock looked worse.

WE called the vet, who arranged to come out the next morning and said to just support bandage her until then.

It was bad. The vet had actually just finished writing a paper on these types of injuries and was well versed on what we were dealing with.
The ultrasound showed necropsy of various structures and infection present.

The choices were to euthanize or surgically debride the area (if that would even BE an option on closer examination)

I opted to take her to the University of Guelph to see what could be done for her.

The x rays actually looked very promising. There was one bone fragment present that they did not feel was part of the trauma, but overall they felt optomistic by what they viewed on the x rays. There was no evidence of bone infection present.
The ultrasound told a different tale. There were pockets of gas that indicated bacterial infection was present, as well as a large particle that they felt was either wood or metal from the trauma.
There was also evidence of necropsy in several of the tendons surrounding the hock and the bursas.
There was also a large split in the main tendon going over the hock and they felt at this stage that the prognosis was "guarded" for surgery due to the many factors present on the ultrasound.

The 2 choices I had at this stage were either euthanization of exploratory surgery to see if the prognosis would be upgraded or downgraded depending on what they saw once they went in there.

After consulting with my hubby (honestly - bless his non horsey heart ...) we opted to go for the exploratory surgical option to see if there was any possibility of saving her. At this stage, on my rather cheap broodmare that I had owned for about 24 hours, I had a $300.00 vet bill from the barn, about $400.00 for the ultrasounds and x rays at Guelph, another $2000.00 for the exploratory surgery and if they were optomistic of her chances, another $7000.00 - $8000.00 for the surgical debridement and after care - IF she didnt need to go back in again due to complications. Not such a cheap broodmare after all ...
But in the one day that we had her, she just wowed us with her personality and how brave and wonderful she was through her pain and everything we were doing to her. We felt that we owed her that much to give her one last chance at life.

They were in there for about 45 minutes. We were watching everything on the video monitors and then one of the vet techs came out to get me, and I got gloved and suited up and went into the operating room.

It was even worse once they got in there. The main tendon was severed about 9/10th's of the way through and necropsy had set in on both sides. There was no possibility of re-sectioning it. There was also necropsy present in the 3 small digital flexor tendons and as the surgeon explained, debriding was no longer an option, and their prognosis had now gone from "guarded" to "0 chance of success" as the dead tissue would continue to die and slough off and there was nothing they could do to prevent that from happening.

My decision had now been made for me and I gave the authorization to euthanize her.

I felt so damned bad and yet I know there is nothing more we could have done for her.

Due to the total stupidity of her owner, this wonderful mare is no longer with us.

R.I.P. Foxy and may you join all of your other friends over the Rainbow Bridge ... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

While I was at the hospital, they were awaiting another emergency colic case. There was a horrific crash on the main highway - the 401 - that one the vet techs missed getting involved in by literally a few feet (a tractor trailer went out of control and crossed the medium, plowing head first into dozens of cares heading the other way)and the people phoned frantic - they were behind the crash and were at a standstill becuase the highway has been closed.
I pray that they make it in time for their horse ... That must be the most awful feeling in the world - to know that time if critical and you cannot do anything about it.

"Spot"

[Galileo1998]

Spot - I am so, so sorry. If I can do anything or if you just want to vent you know how to reach me http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

[Beezer]

I'm so very sorry, Spot. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Other words fail me.

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[Faiths CremelloWB]

Oh no Spot!!! AFter hearing from you earlier today, we thought she was going to pull through. I am soooooooo sorry it took a turn for the worse. We were praying for her and thought of the two of you when we were going up Hwy6 this afternoon. Tash suggested we stop by and see how she was doing on the way back from Pedros. You are such a great woman to try to give her every possibale chance to make it through. Our thoughts and prayers are with you Donna... Take Care...

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[mistyjewell]

Wow.. I can't believe the people wouild sell a horse to you in the condition...

And poor girl.. That's so sad! Good hting someone like you cared so much about her not to let her continue in pain.

RIP Foxy

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[hunt_jump]

OMG Spot this absolutely breaks my heart http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif I am sooo sorry...what a horrific experience for everyone - especially the lovely Foxy. She was lucky to be with you even if for such a short time. {{{{HUGS }}}}

~ hunt_jump ~
http://home.cfl.rr.com/huntjump

[carosello]

Oh my, what a tragic story, Spot cudos to you for trying to help.

Did the previous owners ahve any explanation for her condition? Since they did not deliver her in decent condition can you at least recoup that $$

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[Bugs-n-Frodo]

Spot, I am so sorry! That is so tragic. It is wonderful of you to try and help her though. RIP Roxie and Godspeed....{{{{hugs to you Spot}}}}

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Amy
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Cute as a Bugsear (Bugs) JC OTTTB (Isella x Annie Somebody)
Pippen (Frodo) ATA Anglo Trakehner (Paramoure x Cute as a Bugsear)
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[Silly Mommy]

Spot-
adding my condolences... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

Most people who go around fanning the flames of crises are themselves the problem.


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[Sakura]

Spot, my heart is breaking. When I opened the photo you posted I immediately thought she was a amazing mare. I am so sorry this happened http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

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[HFSH]

Oh Spot how AWFUL! I'm so sorry. Shameful that those people sold her to you in such horrid condition.

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[Nikita]

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[OnyxThePony]

So very, very sorry to hear of this!
That poor mare!! Poor you!!!

This area is not known for it's superb professionals. Cheap horses, cruddy care.... one day we will actualy move away from here, this being one of the reasons behind our decision.... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

muddsville. mudd. muddy muddy mud...

[LongLeaf]

Oh Spot - I'm so sorry, you tried so hard for her. Find comfort in knowing that there are lots of friends waiting for her on the other side of the "reinbow bridge". My little georgie will definitely be waiting there for her. He loved the TB mares.

[NZ Loopy Lu]

Damn! And you tried so hard too, she was lucky to have found you, even if it was too late [http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif]

Kia kaha

Loopy Lu

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[showjumpers66]

Very, very sorry to hear this. That poor mare.

Has her previous owner shown any remorse? Why did they have to sedate her in the first place? Did they know that she did not haul well?

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[arnika]

Oh my god! That has got to be one of the most horrific stories I've ever heard. I'm so sorry for both you and Foxy. Sorry you had to deal with such an awful situation and sorry she spent so much time in fear and pain. I'm also certain you made the best decision you could under the circumstances. My sincere condolences. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Sonesta]

Ah, Spot, there are just no words..... I am just so sorry for the whole thing.

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[Hidden Hill Farm]

Oh, I am so sorry. She was so lovely, and you are amazing for giving her every possible chance to have a great home with you.

[Policy of Truth]

Spot...I'm so sorry...if you need to talk or vent, just e-mail, ok?

UGH...that just sucks http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif

[WhatzUp]

Oh Spot, you and your family have my deepest sympathies ... I am so sorry ...

Yours in sport,

Lynn

Founder of the Pinto Warmblood Clique

[blackstallion]

What a tragedy, Spot. She was on her way to having a great new life with a great new owner. You did above and beyond and she must have known that in the few days you had together. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[can't re-]

Geeze, Spot, I am SO sorry. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[aurum]

Donna, I am so sorry to read these news. She was so beautiful and I cannot believe how horse owners can be so neglecting on these wonderful animals!

I read all this with tears as I also had a horse leave earth and go over the rainbow bridge on Friday morning. He was not even 2 years old and since Tuesday the vet did all he could to save his life but it was just not meant to be. On Friday morning he died in my arms.

Gwendolyn
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[Policy of Truth]

AWWW....Aurum!

Guys, PLEASE say this isn't another 2003!!! I hate this heartbreak! Aurum, you and Spot are both on my mind amd in my prayers...I mean that http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[pintofoal]

Oh no this is just horrible, I am so sorry--I just loved the look of that mare. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif Poor mare and poor you for having to go through that. Have you heard anything from the sell??!! simply unbelievable, again I am so sorry.

And Gwen, oh my I am so sorry! I'll give you a call.

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[Draygonfyne]

So sorry...what a horrible thing to have happenned so needlessly.... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

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[Riven]

Oh Spot that was just terrible. I'm so sorry for you and poor Foxy. What a needless tragedy. Foxy was lucky that she spent her last time with someone as competent and caring as you. Bless you for making all those hard decisions, making her more important than money, and making the decision to end it rather than prolong her suffering. I can't believe they put her back on the trailer, poor Foxy.

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[Spot]

Thanks SO much everyone - I truly mean that. That is the great thing about this board - we have so many friends that celebrate with us in our victories and then mourn with us in our losses.
Gwen - I am SO sorry to hear that news about your colt.

We really thought that we had a fighting chance with Foxy. Ev Post (my vet) had recently written a paper after a lengthy study of hock injuries that affect the bursa's in the hock, and injuries done to the tendons surrounding the hock area. Based on the basic ultrasound that she did at the barn, she felt cautiously optomistic that if I took her in immediately for surgical debridement, that there was a 60-70% success rate possible.
With the pre op work necessary, the surgical exploration and the actual operation and post op care, she felt we were looking at the $8000.00 - $10,000.00 area all told.

Damned tough decision after owning this mare for about 22 hours at that point, but as I mentioned earlier - I just loved the look of this mare, loved her eye, loved the fact that no matter what we did to her and how much pain she was in, she never complained, we never had to put a twitch on her or a chain over her nose - she seemed grateful for the attention and care we were showing her and accepted it all.

One of the big concerns was if there were bone lesions indicating a bone infection. When the x rays came back clear, we were cautiously optomistic that we had a better than fighting chance with her.

The bad part was the ultrasound and the even worse part was the exploratory surgery. We went quickly from cautiously optomistic, to guarded to "0" in about 2 hours.

I truly thought that re-sectioning the tendon would have been a possibility (in my obviously naive, non surgical mind ...) - cut out the necropsied portion, stitch in a healthy section and have her on stall rest long enough for it to heal up.
They likened it to a human situation and said if a similar injury had happened to a human, they would be in a full leg cast for 6 months, stableized, with a guarded chance of recovery. In a horse, it wasnt remotely possible to even consider doing so. Once the tendon has been severed or cut, there is so much pressure on it, they literally could not put anything in there that would take the pressure and the stitches themselves would not be able to survive the pressure until healing occured.

I still feel damned awful about it all and so damned sorry for the mare who never asked for any of this to happen to her.
We did find out that through it all, she LOVED her carrots and LOVED her bran mash and alfalfa cubes and hay she was given and on her last day, she had a pretty soft and happy expression in her eye and seemed pretty content with how things were unfolding for her

On a different note, anyone in the Calgary and Airdrie, Alberta areas - would you please be good enough to email me - I wonder if you could help find out some information for me

Many thanks again to everyone

truecolours@cogeco.ca

"Spot"

[jparkes]

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[Norsire]

Poor Foxy Foxy! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif Rest in peace girl!!!
Gwen, I'm so sorry to hear about your young colt!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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[crestline]

Donna-
Truly unbelievable...at least you can know that you did all you could to help her out.

I'm so sorry...

Andrea Clibborn-Anderson
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Home of Pinto Dutch Warmblood Palladio

[Spot]

Here are a couple of pictures of Foxy from the day after she arrived.
I wish they could have been a little more clear, but we needed to do them in her stall as she just simply couldnt move well enough to take her outside to do them

Here is her head showing the lovely blue eye

"Spot"

[Spot]

and showing her worst hock injury

"Spot"

[Spot]

and showing her lovely ribs sticking out (doesnt quite look like the mare in the first pictures, does it?)

"Spot"

[Spot]

and another ...

"Spot"

[Spot]

and of her ribs ...

poor poor mare ...

"Spot"

[PaintBy#s]

My sincerest condolences Spot and Aurum.

[mistyjewell]

Wow Spot, that doesn't look like the same horse AT ALL compared to the first set of pictures! Poor thing!

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[Elliesmom]

Oh, Spot...that poor sweet mare. How horrible for her and for you. Makes me cry...

[mbp]

How awful for you Spot and for poor Foxy. She was lucky to have someone like you to give her chances and tell her, in her last hours, she was a special one. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif It is just heartbreaking.

Condolences to you and to Aurum too - losing them is so hard.

[Lord Helpus]

Ohhhh, Spot,

I am just sick. For you and for poor Foxy.

LHU, esq. will be emailing you shortly!

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[Fred]

I just saw this Spot, and I feel sick to my stomach.
Poor poor mare.. to be shipped when she was injured like that....
You did the best you could for her. But those people! they should be charged with animal cruelty.
I am so sorry for the mare, and for you.. call me anytime. xooxox

[NZ Loopy Lu]

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I haven't anything else to say that has not already been said!

Loopy Lu

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[AuntieSha]

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif I am so sorry Spot. I had admired that mare before you bought her. It is so sad...

[ShowBiz]

I am sooooo very sorry Spot, I rarely venture over here to the the breeding boards but when I saw your post...it crushed me. I feel horrible, the poor mare--and the condition she was in when she arrived--it breaks my heart! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif I want to thank you for giving her a chance though...her previous owners really do not deserve to have horses...makes me sick.

Aurum, please accept my condolences as well, how horrible it is that you lost your youngster. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

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ShowBiz 8/99-10/03 - Greatly missed.

[Riggs]

Spot, I just read this and I am so so sorry.
Words just dont do the situation justice, but you should feel good that you did everything possible for her.
She did have such a good kind eye. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif
Jingles for her in heaven.

[Mariesonny]

I am so sorry. She was such a beautiful mare.

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[Silver Sport Horses]

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I am so sorry Spot for your loss. I to looked at Foxy. She was such a beautiful mare. I am sadden that we won't be able to see what she would have produced.

Big hug to you for giving her a wonderful horsey day with carrots & goodies and for make such a hard decision and doing what was best for her.

Gwen... I am also sorry to hear about your loss. Big hug to you too! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Monique

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Palomino & Creme Colored Warmblood X Sport Horses

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[Bentley]

Oh Spot, you poor thing http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif To get your hopes up, and then find her in that condition must have been hard.

At least she's out of pain now,

Feel free to PT me if I can be of any help. I haven't been in Alberta for a year but still have a few contacts that might be able to help.

Take care,

Alixe

[M.K.Smith]

Spot,

I'm sorry to hear about your loss. I don't know what words I could say that would help anything.

My condolences...MKB...

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[caryledee]

OMG, Spot, I am just so sorry..for both you and that beautiful mare! I don't know what the laws are where you live, but I hope you will look into pursuing some legal action against the owner.
Words escape me...that is just so horrible! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

[Horsaholic]

I am so sorry Spot http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif.. I am also very sorry for her and the fear and panic she endured. Very very sorry http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif Rest in Peace Foxy, sweet beautiful mare. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[sophab]

The ignorance of some horse peopl never ceases to amaze me. How very sorry I am for Foxy and all that she endured in her last days of life. What a wonderful mare that despite it all, she got to you trusting a loving. So so sorry.

[jilltx]

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif THis just seems too sad to be true. SO sorry for your loss Spot.

Aurum...my sympathies to you for your loss as well. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

~Jilltx
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[NoGreatMischief]

Spot, My heartfelt condolences. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

[Quinn]

Oh Spot, I'm so terribly sorry.


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[sophab]

Yes Gwen, my sympathies also to you. It is so hard to lose any horse, much less a young one. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Nikita]

Gwen, I'm so sorry for your loss as well. How very sad to lose a youngster. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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