FINAL UPDATE: All listed horses safe, drafts not shipped. See pg 8

[SafeHorses]

So...I went over to check out the CBER feedlot page and what do I find? 14 Percheron draft mares (mostly black) and 4 Belgian mares on the lot looking for saviors. The lot is full, a shipment is imminent and these beautiful horses need help!

Draft Mares, check 'em out! (http://www.columbiabasinequinerescue.org/feedlothorses.html)

I'm no expert, but the prices seem really low for the size of the horses.

UPDATED TO ADD: More horses are now on the feedlot page...seems like the flood gates are opening!

[SafeHorses]

So...I went over to check out the CBER feedlot page and what do I find? 14 Percheron draft mares (mostly black) and 4 Belgian mares on the lot looking for saviors. The lot is full, a shipment is imminent and these beautiful horses need help!

Draft Mares, check 'em out! (http://www.columbiabasinequinerescue.org/feedlothorses.html)

I'm no expert, but the prices seem really low for the size of the horses.

UPDATED TO ADD: More horses are now on the feedlot page...seems like the flood gates are opening!

[Barn Dirt]

What a sweet looking bunch of mares. I hope they get snatched up by loving homes http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[jetsmom]

Oh, Safehorses...didn't you read the other thread about the shipment of Drafts...they don't send Drafts to slaughter. At least that is what all of the "pro-slaughter" people were trying to make us believe.

I really hope these guys find homes. They're beautiful.

[SafeHorses]

LOL! Oh, that's right (hits head) what was I thinking?! Someone better break the bitter news to the feedlot owner!

Actually, there are lots more horses heading to the feedlot now...this is going to be a tough time for those of us trying to save them. The added bonus if you find one you have to have is that you'll be saving their lives!

[Fessy's Mom]

Oh my! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I've always wanted one for hubby to ride. But unfortunately, we don't have any stalls left since Abe came. And especially not enough room for a foal too! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I so hope they all find great homes. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[schwung]

I don't know what the pro-slaughter folks are talking about. Japan, one of the biggest importer of foreign horsemeat, buys almost exclusively Draft meat. The meat has more fat and is more marbled, which they like, per my understanding. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif

[SafeHorses]

That's exactly right Schwung...I hear in Canada they are raised expressly for slaughter and are shipped live to Japan to be slaughtered there.

[county]

The practice of shipping live horses to Japan has stopped due to cost of shipping. And they used to slaughter them on board and dump the remains over board to the sharks something thats no longer allowed.

There is a market in Japan for drafts Europe doesn't care for them much they prefer the 1000 lb young horse more. Drafts have a low dressing percentage so profit is lower. Plus they sell for about 1/2 live price as smaller ones due to the amount of bone.

The drafts at this resue look like good stock not sure what prices are like in that area here there very very low. Last week I was at a sale that had a pair of full brothers, Belgians, 7 and 8 years old. Broke to harness been used to plow, rake hay, pull sleigh etc. The pair with the harness and a Bob Sled brought $2800. At $1000 each for these untrained mares here your looking at about .15 to .20 a lb.

[Horselover4u]

We are going to have an Adopt-A-Thon this Sunday and Next Sunday, people need to put in their applications and be pre-approved by CBER and then they can pick out their Draftie BY APPOINTMENT ONLY so volunteers can be there to help you.

So if you are thinking of adopting one of these kids get your application in NOW....processing can take a couple days so you can go to the Adopt-A-Thon!

Please email your completed application to: Ashley4CBER@comcast.net

You can download the application on the CBER website.

Thank you,
Ashley
CBER Volunteer

[Prieta]

It is frustrating from here in Wisconsin that I have to be there in person to pick up one of those mares to bring back home. I'd just focus on local rescue organizations in Wisconsin like Standardbred rescue place and the other one up north of here. Please do let us know if all of those mares are adopted by then. I pray for them.

[Horselover4u]

CBER does handle out of state adoptions, transportation arrangements just need to be paid for and set up by the adopter. You can contact the volunteer listed near the horses photo for more info. and then send in an adoption application & pics of the place you plan to keep the horse for approval.

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[MSP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Prieta:
It is frustrating from here in Wisconsin that I have to be there in person to pick up one of those mares to bring back home. I'd just focus on local rescue organizations in Wisconsin like Standardbred rescue place and the other one up north of here. Please do let us know if all of those mares are adopted by then. I pray for them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didn't think it was a requirement to be there in person. I remember someone in another thread that made arrangements for a horse to be shipped to her. Does anyone else know for sure if you must be present to get a horse?

[EBO]

You don't have to be there to get a horse unless procedures have changed dramatically. Some people board them or have a foster home for them until they can arrange shipment. In the past, CBER people have made sure the horse has gotten off the lot and into safe care until it left for its permanent home. I imagine that's still being done. The contact person for the horse can give you the details.

Are you going to get one? Or several?

[Prieta]

I called a hauler just to get an idea on the cost of shipment and got the quote. It is going to cost me 1200 per mare. So, it will be a total of 2200 per mare untrained. How do I justify the expense when I know of several drafts on sale around here for less than that? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif My husband will wonder where my head goes!

[SafeHorses]

Prieta, you might want to check out the SAFE/CBER BB...there is a subforum there dedicated to shipping and some of the adopters have found very good deals with great haulers.

The BB can be found at:
SAFE/CBER BB (http://cber.proboards55.com/index.cgi)

Look under Horse Transport.

[MSP]

I do not have the money to even bring one home and it kills me to see them.

Weston reminds me of my gelding and Shorty is a great looking little QH I bet he would be a blast to ride. And you just can't help but feel bad for Turk; I hate to see old horses tossed away like that.

I am going to send this link around and see if anyone is interested.

I was wondering why their prices are so high; they appear to be way over the meat price compared to the prices at Holland from the other thread.

[SafeHorses]

UPDATE: 3 of the drafts have sold, but there are plenty more left. If you are interested, keep checking the CBER feedlot page to see the new horses who get posted as soon as CBER can assess them and get them up on the site. With so many new horses, a shipment is imminent.

[county]

Can't you guys put together a network of people to haul horses cross country? I and others do that alot with horses going from here in Mn. down to Tx. and Ok. for sales and shows.

[MSP]

I agree transportation is a big problem. If that same horse was in my area for $675 he may sell but when you have to tack another $1000 on there and purchase unseen it is a tuff sell. I try to pass this link off to people and when they see where the horses are they just shrug, the transportation is more than the horse.

In Mississippi we have no rescues or feed lot sales and the one horse sales we had was shut down due to low prices.

I remember watching a show on the Greyhound rescues; volunteers were transporting the dogs all over the states to get them placed. One volunteer would bring them a certain distance and then another would meet them and pick up the dog and bring him the rest of the way.

Like I said I can’t afford another horse right now just brain storming because I hate seeing these horses in these feed lots. I know of one person in WY that might be able to spread the word; I will pass the link to them.

[kimmokat]

I adopted some horses from CBER and did so long distance, so no need to be there in person. I think this was just meant as a convenience -- a day when people who want to come out and meet the horses can be assured of a volunteer to help them. A bunch of the volunteers are pitching in to be there. I'm sure all great homes are gratefully accepted and if like me you are approved long distance, yipee!! These horses would be thrilled to find a forever home.
BTW: my horses are coming via Charlie Gibson Horse Transportation. They offer discounts for rescue horses and while I can't say I called tons of places, they were the cheapest by far (and I've heard good things about them.)

[kimmokat]

MSP, our posts must have crossed. That's a great idea. I've also heard of people connecting and sharing rides to make it cheaper. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[county]

Thats my meaning, one person hauls the horses a few hundred miles then another takes them a few hundred more till they get to their destination. I would think with all the anti slaughter people on here alone it would be easy to do./

[Spurt]

Well I'm in KY, if it didn't cost me a arm and a leg to get one here, I would do it.
That being said, I would put up a few hundred for someone if they are nearby to by the horse for them, if they wanted to take care of transportation and etc.
A shipping network, with people that have farms so they could lay over for a bit...that would be a good idea. Though with gas prices....ACK! I don't have a trailer, so i wouldn't be very much help.

[Lion1024]

I think that the relay system is a great idea, but these horses need to be quarantined. I'm not sure that it's possible to arrange overnight sleeping for them at farms along the way when you would have that to deal with.

If I'm wrong, someone please tell me as the most important thing is to find these guys/gals homes.

[Prieta]

Since I'm running errands like crazy today until Sunday morning, I need someone to make a call for me to find out the cost of hauling a mare from there to Stoughton, WI. Can someone do it? Also, is there a volunteer hauler going from that direction to eastward?

My daughter is going to call my neighbor/farrier to see if he wants to add new blood to his herd of Clysdale.

[FalseImpression]

And if you cannot adopt one yourself, think of helping SAFE/CBER by contributing to the fund. If the SAFE fund has enough money, they will pull horses as they did for the last shipment. I think 5 or 6 were pulled and saved. However, the SAFE fund has to keep reserves for the care of the horses pulled/sponsored who have not found a permanent home yet. Of course, there has to be foster spots, but some people have volunteered for that and have not been called yet, so maybe this time around, their help will be needed.
That way, you know you are helping a little rather than worrying about not doing anything.. $5, $10 really help when multiplied by 10 or 20 people.
The shipping is prohibitive, but there are some haulers who are willing to help and who care a lot about the horses, even rescues.
A.

[bryn]

I live near the Ohio Kentucky Indiana border and I adopted the most awesome aged mare from this feedlot through CBER. Her shipping costs were under $900. It is the best decision I ever made in my life. I had only seen photos of her and read about her. No video, no one on one, just a decision to walk the walk and give an at risk horse a chance.

[MSP]

Maybe I am just really tired but I can't find a place on the site to give money. Do they have a pay pal or something?

Timing is everything, right now I am struggling to find time for my filly and I can only keep three horses on my property (have two). It is just killing me to see horses that I would like to take home but can't. And, I know in a couple of years I will be looking for a horse just like many of the ones on the feedlot.

BTW no one responded to my question about the horse’s prices. I was wondering why the prices on this feedlot are higher than say the prices on the horses from the killer buyer at Holland; the other thread where 2tracs got a draft for $450.

[FalseImpression]

MSP, on the CBER website, scroll down and on the right, you will see the picture of a horse rearing. There is a yahoo link on that horse. the paypal is CBERPal@yahoo.com

As for the prices, I guess that is the current price in WA. These horses come from auctions, private sales, owners drop them off or respond to ads placed by the feedlot owner in local papers. I guess he pays so much and add his profit and here are the prices. He may get less if he sells for meat which is what he prefers, because then he does not have the hassle of having the volunteers on the lot (as he likes to state).
Thank you for helping.
A.

[tennygirl]

UPDATE!!! The shipment date has been set for TUESDAY, OCTOBER 25th http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

If anyone out there is interested in these horses, time is running out.

There are many, many horses at the lot right now with more coming in. The CBER volunteers are working today to get as many of these horses on the site as possible. Please check it out!

[cvl]

There's something for most on the feedlot this time. And young too - most are 2 -10 yrs. old. A gorgeous TB gelding, a cute QH pony and one senior citizen - an appy - just to mention a few. All looking for homes and time is running out. The next scheduled shipment out to slaughter is Tuesday 10/25. Have you the room in your heart(and barn) for one of these special horses? Please take a peak
http://www.columbiabasinequinerescue.org/feedlothorses.html

[Pagoober]

Country is obviously misinformed - One of the largest exporters of draft horses to Japan (for human consumption) is right here in my home town of Yelm, WA. They are Shorno Agribusiness and they are anything but out of business. They crate them on site and ship live via Fed Ex air out of SeaTac airport.

[SafeHorses]

Today CBER had an adopt a thon and they will also have one tomorrow. You do not have to go to the lot to adopt one of these horses. If you cannot adopt a horse, please consider donating whatever you can spart to CBER so that we can try and find them foster homes. Time is short, thank you so much for any help you can spare. The paypal button is located near the top of the feedlot page.

Feedlot Horses (http://www.columbiabasinequinerescue.org/feedlothorses.html)

[cvl]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by cvl:
There's something for most on the feedlot this time. [/URL] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And a CREMELLO MULE!!!! If there are any mule people out there - he's just too cute! Even a few moms and babies http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif There's just too many on the lot this time - and I'm afraid not enough time. TUESDAY's the day!!!

[kimmokat]

Does anyone have the address and directions for going to the Adopt-a-Thon today? Any idea how many horses are in danger? I saw an absolutely gorgeous dark appy filly that someone needs to snap up!!

[FalseImpression]

Kimmokat, I would tell you to get in touch with one of the volunteeers manning the BB, ie horselover4u. All the other volunteers are at the feedlot. Try RDR too, they may be able to help you.
They will not publish the address on line because Chuck does not want to deal with people... he would rather send the horses to the "canners" and Cber does not want to antagonize him. So pm, ashley (horselover4u). Best bet I think.

If they are still on the lot on Tuesday, there are in danger. They have to be paid for and moved off the lot to be really safe. Cber volunteers will usually move them off the lot.
A.

[SafeHorses]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Spurt:
Well I'm in KY, if it didn't cost me a arm and a leg to get one here, I would do it.
That being said, I would put up a few hundred for someone if they are nearby to by the horse for them, if they wanted to take care of transportation and etc. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You might want to check out the SAFE/CBER BB to see what everyone is working on in terms of getting these horses off the lot. There's usually a combination of people donating money to sponsor a horse and people who can provide a place to foster them while we work on finding permanent homes.

SAFE/CBER BB (http://www.cber.proboards55.com)

Check out the Feedlot forum and the General Chat forum.

[Prieta]

Sigh, I tried to get on chat room about transportation but I cannot do so. I am using the family computer at home whereas my personal computer is at work. I cannot get access to my personal computer until tomorrow afternoon. Is there any loophole I can get around to get on the chat room? If I am unable to send a horse over, then I'll send in money to help insure that one of the horses get a home.

[FalseImpression]

Prieta,
your best bet at this time is to contact a volunteer who is on line via pm
The chatroom is usually very quiet during the day.
To get in, you have to have the most recent java and enable the pop ups, and register the first time.
There is a whole forum re transport and I know one person is going to ship 3 horses to NY and has a spot for one more.Don't know which route they are taking though.
The people on line are shown at the bottom of the main bb page, schwung is on line right now. She has also posted her email address and her cell phone, but I don't think she is up on the shipping..
Try horselover4u as well. Use the pm system right now.
Good luck
Just wanted to add, the volunteers may know of someone willing to foster until transport can be arranged.

[kimmokat]

oops! I should have known that. Thanks FI!

[beausgirl]

Oh my gosh, all those beautiful drafts...it just never stops does it. I wish...my husband would kill me and then divorce me.

[cvl]

Just 24hrs. until the shipment "out" from the feedlot. And the moms and their adorable babies are still there http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif There are also many very nice horses and a few ponies. They need help and fast!

[RainyDayRide]

Gee, three more added this morning.. two ponies - one grey and one white - and a lovely arabian mare.

Wonder if we're seeing the "dump before winter" or concern about the possibility of the passage of Ensign/Byrd..

[kimmokat]

I'm also seeing a purebred Arabian mare. Quite lovely! Who could let go of such a nice horse. Arabian lovers, she is one to look at! If I had room...

[ise@ssl]

So sad that the people who OWN these animals - DON'T CARE ABOUT THEM AT ALL. If they would pay people to take them or arrange shipping to a location where they could be picked up.

These mares are just a piece of equipment to the farms that own them and the drug company they provided urine to for Premarin. And now they just want someone else to pay to make them disappear. It's them same old - "Buy them or we will eat them" situation.

[cvl]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ise@ssl:
So sad that the people who OWN these animals - DON'T CARE ABOUT THEM AT ALL. If they would pay people to take them or arrange shipping to a location where they could be picked up. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You are so right. They don't care! Even more frustrating are those that breed their mares - let them foal - then "dump" both of them off at the lot. Who in their right mind would do that?? And this is not the exception - it happens quite often - as you can see from the moms and babes now sitting there at the feedlot - waiting their fate! To me - it's incomprehensible! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

[ise@ssl]

Too bad there isn't a website to identify these people.

[cvl]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ise@ssl:
Too bad there isn't a website to identify these people. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hey - that's an idea - how about something similar to the one they have for sex offenders??

[Prieta]

I'm a business owner and meet with my accountants often enough to know a thing or two. There is one thing that I do not like at all - decepriciation of stuff. Like, the first year my chocolate cooler is worth 2 K and I'm to put down such and such in the tax report. the next year, the cooler is worth less, and the year after that. finally, after five years, they are "not worth a penny" even though it is functional. Not so in the tax book! Many companies buy new equipment and discard such equipment at so a filthy low price. I can't afford that - that's another story. Anyway, PMU factories are using those mares - those mares are "equipment" that functions to give them bucks. After the end of their "tax productive" life, companies are so greedy to demand money from us when they ought to thank those mares for give them bucks and find them good homes! Greedy business owners of PMU factories. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif

[county]

Many of the mares at PMU farms are not even owned by the farm they belong to other owners. My neighbor sends 15 to 20 mares each year to a PMU farm for the time their on the urine farm then takes them back home. Theres lots of mares that are used the same way.

[SafeHorses]

Update: CBER has managed to place 7 horses today, but that still leaves over a dozen that are still at risk. There are some very, very nice horses are on the lot for this round. Even if you can't take a horse, any small donation will help. We are pooling our resources over at the SAFE/CBER BB to pull as many as we can before the truck arrives tomorrow.

[MSP]

I notice the old appy Turk is not listed any more, did he get placed? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I was rooting for him!! But they keep adding more. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

[FalseImpression]

Yes ,Turk found a home. Somehow the oldies go fast.. but there are still so many beautiful horses.
I am getting ready for a sleepless night and a very sad morning, and being 3 hours ahead, I will have a lot of time to think of all these beauties tomorrow morning and wonder which ones we could save and which ones we could not.

[SafeHorses]

I am surprised at how nice some of these horses are...with just a little more time, they'd get new homes for sure. There's a 6 year old Cremello gelding, a gorgeous dark gray appy mare, an equally gorgeous arabian mare that almost glows she's so good looking. This round has me shakin' my head and we've had so little time to get funds raised. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

[SafeHorses]

The truck arrives at the lot at 2pm tomorrow. CBER volunteers will be on site in the morning to move horses that have been adopted or sponsored and trying to hold back as many as they can to buy them some more time.

I know we can't save them all, but it kills me to see these two at the lot and feel helpless to change their plight.

Jillian and Piper (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/mdavis6383/jillianandpiper.jpg)

Very depressing...

[EBO]

Well, SafeHorses, it's me, the Devil--as in the Devil Made Me Do It. I have some room, and am not above fostering a horse or two for someone who wants to keep expenses down while preparing a place. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Same goes for any Californian or other dwellers of points south of Washington. Since I have a couple of fosters already, I assume I'm approved.

It was $900 for a box stall from Yakima to my house for the Pony Girls. The company Little Indian used is even less expensive by around $50, but makes a limited number of runs north to south.

[bryn]

Hi EBO. . . been missing you. . . hoofprints on the heart we've all got. You know, as I do now too, helping one of these horses is a reward greater than any other horse moment. My CBER/SAFE mare Kona is the best thing I have EVER done in my life. I hope others reading this will choose to adopt, or foster, or atleast go to the website to learn more about how to help the effort. The time is NOW.

[Astraled]

Why do I even look? I know I can't afford shipping (I checked). I'd bet money that Sheba the arab is related to mine. Her color, markings, and face just scream CMK.

[Luvinfoofy]

By my count there are atleast 24 horses (not including the 14 Percherons) that are at risk for being shipped tommorrow. There are also several who are PENDING, which doesn't mean that they are completely out of trouble. If everyone can spare $5 or $10, we can save a few more of these horses.

Many young, sound horses. Mares with foals at thier sides, a LOVELY arab mare, a CREMELLO gelding, a couple of sound yearlings. All nice looking horses and not ready to be disposed of.

HELP!

[JER]

I adopted the little mule, Casper. (http://www.columbiabasinequinerescue.org/casper.htm)

[Luvinfoofy]

JER- Awesome news! I'd been eyeing that guy, he's a CUTIE! Keep us updated on him, he's something special. Congrats!

[HorseProtectionLeague]

He is soooo cute! Congrats!

[SafeHorses]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by EBO:
Well, SafeHorses, it's me, the Devil--as in the Devil Made Me Do It. I have some room, and am not above fostering a horse or two for someone who wants to keep expenses down while preparing a place. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Same goes for any Californian or other dwellers of points south of Washington. Since I have a couple of fosters already, I assume I'm approved.

It was $900 for a box stall from Yakima to my house for the Pony Girls. The company Little Indian used is even less expensive by around $50, but makes a limited number of runs north to south. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

EBO! How are you? Thanx for the foster offer, but we have a cash flow problem this time around (as opposed to the usual foster space problem). Hoping that some folks out there can spare any sort of donation...$5, $10, anything...we have been working on our fund, but it's a bit slow now...just when the lot gets crazy! If we could just spring these horses and keep them off the truck, I just know most of them would get forever homes!

[bryn]

Congrats JER! Did you see someone is trying to adopt that gorgeous appy filly Addy. Do you live near her? You could share hauling expenses if so. Casper is so cute! Come on folks. There are mares and babies in this group. The mares may get shipped. . . poor babies.

[EBO]

SafeHorses--I just sent a little donation ($50)to CBER. Like you, I'm having a cash flow problem right now. If you're directly in contact with Wendy, tell her to check her email/pay pal email.

I hope that anyone who's reading this will understand that the small amounts you can send will add up and help to save the horses.

Too many good ones.

[beausgirl]

Just sent $40.

[Lion1024]

Just sent $103 (also posted on SAFE board). Please everyone pray the truck breaks down.

[Magnolia]

JER-
A million thank you's. That mule looked so sweet.

[kb]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bryn:
Congrats JER! Did you see someone is trying to adopt that gorgeous appy filly Addy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

bryn - where did you see that? I think she is absolutely adorable! I am a novice rider - so a youngster is not appropriate for me - but I am willing to pitch in on her so that she doesn't go to slaughter. I just adore her.

[JER]

The pretty appy filly was adopted! I think she's looking for a ride to CA. Casper isn't going to California, he's going to BC, near Vancouver.

People on the CBER board are wildly generous -- complete strangers offering to help with care, expenses, fostering, vet work. I was amazed by how willing people are to help these horses (and the mule) get off the feedlot.

[FLAbreds]

I just sent $100 via PayPal

[EBO]

Okay folks, this page has donations of $290. That's more than half of many horses' prices.

If you have $5 extra--price of a movie ticket if you get there for the cheap seats, or a meal deal at McD's, or a bottle of cheap nail polish, or a box of breakfast cereal. If you can do without any of those things, you can make a difference and help keep one of those horses off the truck, and safe until CBER can find "your" horse a permanent home.

Think of those poor mares and their babies--so innocent, and dig deeper.

It's okay to donate more than once. I've never seen so many horses at one time in this feedlot and they need help right now.

[Pat Ness]

Yeah! Casper has a home! Thanks JER... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[EBO]

Okay, this is my second donation: $100 to CBER for one of the horses.

My husband actually likes macaroni and cheese.

Will anyone match my donation?

[DKL]

I will EBO! Here is a 100.00 towards the effort.

[LBM]

I just donated the "bail" for Jillian and Piper on PayPal, there's someone over on the CBER forum who had offered to / submitted an application to foster and perhaps adopt...

Anyone I need to call to inform, I know the deadline looms. I left a voicemail for the potential "foster mom", anything else?

Edited to add that I emailed the CBER contact: Heidi (creeksideAQHA@aol.com) will let you all know when the details get firmed up for this sweet mom & foal.

[EBO]

Bless you LBM and DKL!!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LBM--I'll find a phone number for you. It's a good idea to let somebody know so they aren't put on the truck. It's about 10 till 10am here, so there's time. I'll pm you with the number.

[philosoraptor]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SafeHorses:
I'm no expert, but the prices seem really low for the size of the horses. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Meat prices for heavy drafts (belgians, percherons, etc) are in the $300 range on the east coast. If the feedlot owner is insisting he's wholesaling them at $1,000 each, he's really ripping them off -- TRIPLE the going rate!? Darn!

Isn't this the same group who mainly acts as a broker for the feedlot owners in their area? I'm suprised the feedlot folks are still overpricing the horses.

My 2 cents worth: let's just ban the #$@# horse slaughter and be done with it. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[LBM]

Thanks EBO, I spoke with Heidi and she was going to reach out to the other volunteers to line everything up.

The kind woman who offered to foster (and perhaps adopt) these two just submitted the app this morning so I think there's a scramble on to get her approved asap.

[EBO]

MayS--CBER doesn't buy from the auctions (usually), so doesn't get the prices you've seen, plus I think that prices are higher out here, maybe because of the long distances that they have to be hauled.

I was surprised to see the draft horse prices, too, but these girls are halter broken, young, sound and in good physical condition--I know that's not always the case at the auctions.

CBER doesn't set the prices. The feedlot owner sets the prices. CBER adds $50 to the prices to help pay their expenses in evaluating and moving the horses. He does charge more for the nicer horses, no question. CBER tries to choose the nicer horses for adoption, by evaluating soundness, general health, training level and temperament. They try not to show any for adoption that have serious lamenesses or dangerous behaviors.

CBER is not a broker for this feedlot. The owner allows CBER volunteers to select horses from his kill pen to present as candidates for adoption. This means that he's got people there on a daily basis working with these horses. He has said he'd just as soon can them as have to deal with the people who come there to adopt horses. But, maybe somewhere deep inside there's a humane spark that causes him to allow CBER to offer these horses another chance.

It offers us a chance to help horses, too. We, who live hundreds of miles away, can't attend the auctions to get the (maybe) super bargains, but we can donate money to save these horses. I appreciate that opportunity because otherwise, I couldn't do nearly as much to help.

I'm with you in wishing they would just pass the Ensign bill and be done with it. Get in touch with your senator and representative (if they're on the committee) and tell them what you want them to do.

[Prieta]

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I just sent in an email to this address CBERpal@yahoo.com asking them to accept my donation of 100 bucks. But, I do not know how I can pay through paypal!!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

someone mentioned that there is a driver going from West to East with a trailer and have a room for one more horse. BUT, that person did not tell us anymore than that. Is there such a person with such a trailer?????

Please please donate money to rescue those horses and please do give us POSTER of those owners dropping them off of the lot.

[LBM]

Well it looks like Jillian and Piper were safe before I made my donation - so the money will go to help save others. Certainly not bad news!!

[SafeHorses]

I went to bed last night so full of despair...you have no idea how much your generosity means to the horses. I just signed back on and read this string and there are tears in my eyes. THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart for all your generosity. Bit by bit, we're getting closer!

[SafeHorses]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Prieta:
http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif

I just sent in an email to this address CBERpal@yahoo.com asking them to accept my donation of 100 bucks. But, I do not know how I can pay through paypal!!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

someone mentioned that there is a driver going from West to East with a trailer and have a room for one more horse. BUT, that person did not tell us anymore than that. Is there such a person with such a trailer?????

Please please donate money to rescue those horses and please do give us POSTER of those owners dropping them off of the lot. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you go to the CBER website's feedlot page, there is a button to hit that takes you to Paypal and you can send a donation that way. Not sure if you hit that button? And I am going over to get you more information on the truck taking horses east. When I find it, I'll come back and post a link for you.

[MSP]

I just sent my second donation, this time $100 via pay pal. I hope they save shorty!

I have also been sending this site link out to everyone I know and out in my company email. I hope out of the 500 people that read it one may give a donation.

[Prieta]

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Horses have been there for me in the past, now, and will be in the future. They've helped me to grow to become who I am now. For this reason, we need to work harder to rescue those horses.

BTW, Jewish friends told me that they are forbidden to eat beast of burden - horses! that is the right thing to do - we owe them thanks!

[EBO]

MSP and Prieta, thank you very much for your generosity. I hope you're proud of yourselves for sacrificing to make a positive difference.

Prieta--what you said about horses having made you what you are today struck a chord in my psyche. Your statement goes for the entire human race. Horses have helped us, as a species, every step of the way since we left the caves. I honestly believe that we, as a species, owe them far, far better than a crippling ride and a terror-filled, painful death. I wish every person on earth would realize our debt.

Since every volunteer who is able is at the feedlot and can't update the site, is there anyone who can tell us who is now safe and who still needs help?

[FalseImpression]

I think I mentioned the truck going East. I don't know more than that. Go into the transportation forum on the cber bb (I think you have to log in for that one). E. Rabbit is coordinating it, since she has 2 horses to ship East. Pm her if you want more info.


EBO, thanks for still supporting CBER. We miss you and your updates on the girls...

It is a mad scramble right now, can't keep up with the updates on the bb. Maybe, just maybe, we will be able to pull that miracle again. It is unbelievable...
Thanks you cothers for all your help.

[SafeHorses]

Well...I just made up a quick list, but I can't vouch for it's being 100% accurate as things are changing by the minute:

These horses aren't yet safe:
Rob
Shorty (Update: PLACED!)
Amika (Update: has a nibble)
Delaney (there is a foster place for her if someone pays her bail)
Mariah
Cassidy
Zephyr (Update: has a nibble)
Ferris (QH youngster)

I'll keep updating as I find out more.

[EBO]

We've collected $1490 in the last two pages!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SafeHorses, what about the drafties?

[SafeHorses]

EBO: Wow! I love the people here! We've been told by CBER that the drafties won't ship today. I would still feel better if they were off the lot, let me go look and see if I can give you an update on who's left.

[talloaks]

What has happened to the quarter horse mares and their foals? Mia & Maya and Jillian & Piper?

[FalseImpression]

Talloaks,
They are safe either placed or fostered. Bail was paid.
Phew.. I hate those "down to the wire" days.
Still, the last few horses total close to $5200. It will be very difficult with only a couple of hours to go but we don't know what is going on behind the scenes. Let s hope... a lot.

[talloaks]

Glad the mares and foals are safe. I just sent $100 by paypal, hope it will help someone!!

[MSP]

From the CBER BB, horses NOT placed or pending:

Arcadia
Mariah
Amika
Cassidy
Zephyr
Ferris
Rob
Bachi
Delaney
Tad
3 Belgians
13 Percherons

[FalseImpression]

Amika is sponsored, pending
and ARcadia is off the lot and safe, from a previous shipment.
Still needs a home

[SafeHorses]

Edited: Tad is safe!

[Lion1024]

Yes, I am waiting to hear about Tad. I assume his contact is at the feedlot and too busy to get back to me so I'll wait here w/bated (sp?) breath.

haha - just as I wrote that there is an update that Tad is "Pending." YEAH!!!

[talloaks]

Tad looks so sweet!! I hope he is saved!

[FalseImpression]

Ferris is pending!!!
I can't believe the action today... Offers of sponsorships/foster/bail for Cassidy.
Tad is pending (Rick and Dawn??)
Only 6 left !!!
Wow
Thank you all

[SafeHorses]

Cassidy is safe!

[Prieta]

which 6 left? percherons? belgians?

clock is ticking loudly!

[Sandra6500]

Okay I don't get it...

Is the truck really coming at 2pm or is the feedlot owner just cutting off CBER at that point.

If all these horses are rescued and the truck was coming at 2pm, wouldn't that make for a VERY angry truck driver?

Maybe you guys have more time to save them?

[Prieta]

ATTN : BUSINESS OWNERS!!!!

Make donations and it can be tax written off!

Be creative please!

[EBO]

We LOOOVE angry unloaded truck drivers. Maybe he'll be so po'd, he'll stop for a few (too many) and just forget about the whole deal.

Keep on truckin'

[Sandra6500]

There website says they are not no-profit yet.

You cannot write off donations, it would be tax fraud to do so.

[FalseImpression]

Zephyr is safe.
Down to 4 left and the drafts (which he said he was not shipping this time. Better keep his word!!)
Mariah, Bachi, Delaney and Rob need help (Rob has a foster offer and so does Bachi I believe, but need bail).
I never in a million years would have thought that they would all (almost) be placed!!

[Sandra6500]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by EBO:
We LOOOVE angry unloaded truck drivers. Maybe he'll be so po'd, he'll stop for a few (too many) and just forget about the whole deal.

Keep on truckin' </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes but I would think that the feedlot owner would care? I dunno... I was just wondering if 2pm was really the deadline or if perhaps there was more time- thats all

[FalseImpression]

Believe us... when he says the truck is coming, it is coming.. unless the aliens caused a breakdown (it happened once) or he cancelled because he did not have enough horses.
He would have already said if he was willing to cancel/delay.. he has not. We are also afraid that he may decide to replace the riding horses with some drafts... never know how this guy thinks.

[SafeHorses]

There are a lot of horses shipping today...CBER only posts those horses that have the best chance for a new life. It's too tough to think about really...

The truck is supposed to be there at 2pm. I know a lot of discussion between Chuck and CBER happens when the truck shows up and CBER is trying to pull as many as they can.

[Sandra6500]

wait so there is more horses on that aren't going to be saved no matter what???

[FalseImpression]

they are not listed by CBER because they are too wild, too dangerous (bucking horses) or too lame and would not be easy to place. They choose the horses that, really, do not belong in a feedlot and have years of good, productive life ahead of them.
It is the sad reality that yes, some do not get a chance, but the ones that do deserve a second chance, get it.

[SafeHorses]

Bachi is safe

[SafeHorses]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sandra6500:
wait so there is more horses on that aren't going to be saved no matter what??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know...I wrote "a lot" and don't really have any true knowledge on how many horses may end up shipping today. What FI wrote is true, there are horses that are on the lot that CBER isn't able to re-home because of the issues she mentions. It's a tight enough squeeze to save the ones that they do save.

[MSP]

Is this right???

$1700 more and the remaining three horses will be saved!!!

Just three left

Mariah $450
Rob $750 (he could be a good childs horse!!)
Delaney $500

[Sandra6500]

Its past 2pm... I think its probably too late- but I really don't know.

[FalseImpression]

Schwung just posted that SAFE will pull the 3 remaining horses as they all have a foster home to go to...
Phew
Now we hope he won't replace all these horses with some drafts...
Keep fingers crossed a bit longer.

[MSP]

I sent out an email this morning with the CBER link and said if this makes you sick ... I added all the anti-slaughter amendment info. Trying to kill two birds with one stone!

I just had a co-worker email me back and she said she never even knew horses were being slaughtered. She said she would be ready for HR 503 if I help her compose a fax.

I guess 1 out of 500 is better than nothing. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[SafeHorses]

If you want to get the updates directly from the SAFE/CBER BB, hit this link. It's crunch time...it should take you to page 4.

SAFE/CBER truck thread (http://www.cber.proboards55.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=feedlot&thread=1130204375&page=4#1130274299)

[cvl]

THANK YOU! COTHers for helping reach the goal! It couldn't have been done without you http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Your'e amazing.
Here's hoping that those draft mares still have a little time and won't be used to fill this truck!
Although they have been saved from slaughter, many of these guys/gals will now need homes. If you are looking for a horse - or know someone who is, please visit the website! There's a assortment of some very nice available horses there! And those beautiful draft mares are STILL on the lot!

[Prieta]

which six are left??? the clock has struck

[bryn]

SafeHorses, what a charge you have been leading and wow what angels have joined up. Thank you all. JER, I assumed Casper was going to CA because your profile says CA. Sorry. He will be our pilgrim in Canada. . . first CBER equine to be adopted north of the border! TallOaks thanks for asking about the moms and babies. Gut wretching it was. Again, teamworks and one starfish at a time has made a difference. I hope to see some new faces on the bb. You can read about the adoption adventures of all of us who have adopted or sponsored one of these horses, including my adventures with Kona.

[Lion1024]

Unfortunately, the ordeal is not yet over. One TB gelding and one mare left who Jamie (aka Schwung) wants to pull and euthanize as they are both crippled.

Some new ones also arrived who they haven't had time to get information about them posted on the web.

[bryn]

Sadly it will never be over until horse slaughter ends.

[Prieta]

I just called Susan, one of the women who are on the CBER site, and she said that they are in the middle of loading as of 4:30...she doesn't know yet WHAT horses are saved and which ones have been taken. She also said that there was a shipment tomorrow consisting of quarter horses, ponies, thorobreds, and a paint gelding, IF I'm not mistaken. We should have about a week to adopt them... but first we need to find out who has been taken...

[SafeHorses]

Sorry folks...I am still waiting for further details, but it looks like the shipment today was either postponed until tomorrow or there is another truck coming. Eight new rideable horses arrived on the lot today. All adopters and sponsors for horses on this latest round have 48 hours to remove their horses or they get shipped and the money refunded. Obviously, there is a lot of scrambling going on. You can always go straight to the SAFE/CBER BB for updates, but once the dust settles a bit, one of us will come over here with an update.

SAFE/CBER BB (http://www.cber.proboards55.com)

[Prieta]

As of now, I checked on CBER BB and saw that only Delaney, the 2 years old filly along with the Percherons and Belgians need to find home.Is this correct?

Also, volunteers along with adopted moms are scrambling to find transportations for those horses as they only have 48 hours to clear off the feedlot. Any one with big heart and trailer are needed to help clear out the lot.

[cvl]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Also, volunteers along with adopted moms are scrambling to find transportations for those horses as they only have 48 hours to clear off the feedlot. Any one with big heart and trailer are needed to help clear out the lot. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Make that 24 hrs. to clear all of those sponsored/placed off the lot. Feedlot owner pushed up this deadline!

[MSP]

No new info on the CBER BB. I get the feeling they are scrambling to get all the horses off the lot. The lot owner said if they were not off in time he would load the horses on the truck and give out refunds! Nice guy, there is a special place in hell for him. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[EBO]

Guys, I apologize in advance for snatching this thread for a minute, BUT---please, please, please take a minute and make a call to every person on the committee list that onthebit presented to us to preserve the language, and the ammendment itself, of the anti-horse slaughter bill.

The thread is titled: Horse Slaughter vote TODAY!!! Calls are needed!!

If you haven't already read this thread, or the one I started regarding help from Texans, Rep. Bonilla (R-TX), who is the chairman of this committee, wants the anti-slaughter ammendment removed from the main bill (ag appropriations). He thinks he has the power and the votes to remove it. If you contact the senators and representatives, you can make your feelings clear. If the particular person voted no, point out to their telephone receptionist that to vote to ax the bill would be un-democratic since it alread passed the house and senate with overwhelming majorities. If they voted yes, tell them you expect them to vote yes, to include, again.

We don't want any more of our horses to suffer like this again. It isn't much fun for us, either.

Thanks.

[Sandra6500]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MSP:
No new info on the CBER BB. I get the feeling they are scrambling to get all the horses off the lot. The lot owner said if they were not off in time he would load the horses on the truck and give out refunds! Nice guy, there is a special place in hell for him. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This may be a little off topic and I have no idea if this guy is computer savy at all... If he is I am sure he is aware of how much talk there is about his lot as of late.

Posting things like "he is going to hell" will probably cause a LOT of issues if he ever does see it.

[MSP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sandra6500:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MSP:
No new info on the CBER BB. I get the feeling they are scrambling to get all the horses off the lot. The lot owner said if they were not off in time he would load the horses on the truck and give out refunds! Nice guy, there is a special place in hell for him. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This may be a little off topic and I have no idea if this guy is computer savy at all... If he is I am sure he is aware of how much talk there is about his lot as of late.

Posting things like "he is going to hell" will probably cause a LOT of issues if he ever does see it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, that is not what I said! I said there was a special place for him there! Let me give you the southern version “Bless his heart, he is a miss guided soul.”

And even if he does read it, so what. He makes a great little profit of the price of these horses because he sells them to CBER for well over the meat price.

[Ishi]

I just wanted to say this, I bought Ben, a 5 year old straight off the track TB from CBER. His name is now Lucky Luke. I bought him sight unseen, shipped him from Washington to Colorado for more then I bought him for. Why? Because I needed him. But more to the point, I paid a whooping $675 for him off the feed lot. Is that more then per pound price? Yes. Do I give a rat's patootie? No way. I got a very nice young ottb for cheap!

Just in case anyone wants to see a CBER horse, here you go, Lucky Luke's first ride at home. His last race was 4 months ago. Lucky Luke trotting (http://www.santiara.com/luke/luke3.jpg) and popping over a small jump (http://www.santiara.com/luke/luke5.jpg)

This is why I had no issue paying the feed lot owner a little more then what he would have gotten for the horse at the plant. I got an awesome horse, Luke is not in a can or on a dinner plate, and the feed lot owner made his money. It is something I am happy and OK with, because in the end, Lucky Luke and I really are the winners, as I feel anyone who adopts from them, with their new horses are too!

[MSP]

Just remember when the next 30 horses hit the lot that if you only had to pay half that amount you could save twice as many horses!

And the next 30, and next 30 and next 30......

Ask County what you can buy a horse for at other feedlots; ask Lost and found what they pay.

Ishi, I am glad you had the money to get your horse. I sure hope there is a bunch more just like you because CBER is going to need them.

[Ishi]

MSP, my point is, I got a phenominal young ottb from CBER, the feed lot owner had to pay to buy him, and pay for gas to ship him to his lot. It's his business, he's trying to make money (whether I agree with it or not doesn't matter) so this horse was going to slaughter had CBER not stepped in. I was lucky enough to be the one he came home too. Point being, why squabble over a little more money when the outcome for the horse is so dire?

Also, if I bought from an auction, a horse headed for slaughter, I'm sure I'd pay less then buying off a feed lot. Why? Because there was less overhead involoved in getting the horse. No gas/trailering to the feed lot from the auction, no 'care/feed' at the feed lot during the time the horse was there. So, let's say I spent $200 less on the horse at the auction, I still need to pay for my trailer, my truck, my insurance on both, my gas, just to get the horse home from the auction. OK, I already have the truck, trailer, insurance, so that's just monthly payments (assuming I don't outright own both) and then the gas (at $3.36 a gallon here) to haul to the auction, then buy the horse, and haul it home. It's all about business, and if I ended up paying a few bucks more to save this horse and have this joy in my life, well, that's all good with me, and I kinda see it as it all works out in the end, money wise.

Edited to say, I think CBER does an amazing job, and I am very proud to tell anyone where my $675 dollar horse came from http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif LOL I still think I got the deal of a lifetime on him!

[SafeHorses]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MSP:
Ishi, I am glad you had the money to get your horse. I sure hope there is a bunch more just like you because CBER is going to need them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well...CBER has done very well getting a lot of horses off that lot. They managed to move over 20 horses in less than a week...and that was right after another large number of horses were placed by them a couple of weeks ago.

I understand that there might be cheaper ways to get these horses, but to me the more important point is that they save as many as they can. Last count I heard is over 700 horses successfully placed by them...700 horses that were down to their last chance to survive. Is that so bad?

I know that some people don't think this is the "right" way to rescue horses, but I never understood why some feel the need to twit CBER. Go ahead and rescue horses the way you think they should be rescued and let CBER do what CBER does very well...get those slaughterbound horses off of that lot.

[MSP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The lot owner said if they were not off in time he would load the horses on the truck and give out refunds! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you read my original post, go to the CBER BB and read some of their post and read this whole thread and keep my post in this context I think that was my point. We discussed the whole price thing before and this goes a little beyond making a profit. As was stated earlier in this thread "the lot owner would rather send the horses to slaughter than have the CBER people on his lot".

[cvl]

MSP - did you see the horse that Ishi got for $675 - that's six hundred seventy five dollars! Maybe this guys feedlot prices are a bit higher - but unfortunately - he sets the price. CBER is somewhat at his mercy - right? Her $675 saved this horse from being on a dinner plate - and got her an extremely nice horse. Congratulations Ishi & Best of Luck!

Bail for a feedlot horse - $675.00
Transportation to CO - @ $400 or so?
Knowing you saved one from slaughter-PRICELESS
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[MSP]

Why is everyone defending CBER?

I made a comment about the lot owner!!!!!!!

I never said a thing bad about CBER, if I didn't like them I wouldn't have donated twice. I hope they continue to get horses off the lot but other feedlots don't make as much profit. So please don't anyone tell me we should think this owner is a nice guy.

[SafeHorses]

LOL! No chance of too many people saying nice things about the owner! I now get what you are saying.

[Ishi]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by cvl:
Bail for a feedlot horse - $675.00
Transportation to CO - @ $400 or so?
Knowing you saved one from slaughter-PRICELESS
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I love that! So true, so true!


MSP, I never said the feed lot owner was a good guy, or a bad guy, just a business guy. I haven't read all the replies on this thread, so I can only speak for myself here. I think my post was more of a knee jerk reaction, like please don't say we (adopters) are paying too much for these horses~ie you can get them cheaper elsewhere. Also, he (the feed lot owner) does not sell the horses to CBER, he owns them, sets the price, all that. CBER just tries (in simple terms) to get the word out on the ones who are good canidates for new homes.

Sorry if I took your post wrong, about paying the feed lot owner a little more. I agree too with SafeHorses, there is no right or one way to rescue, not dogs, cats, birds, or horses. Anyway, and anything that can be done, that's a good thing! I don't agree with the business the feedlot owner is in. I simply can't. I don't know if this makes him a bad guy, but I do believe in Karma http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


OT but EBO, I think you are the one who started the thread here on COTH that I saw, it had a link to CBER, and to Luke. If you hadn't started it, I never would have seen Luke. I wanted to thank you 101 times for starting that thread, and Luke and I would love to send a little something to you and your horses!

[SafeHorses]

UPDATE: all listed horses on the CBER site are safe and none of the remaining drafts shipped. There are some new sound horses on the lot that are being assesSed and hopefully they will be posted on the CBER site shortly, so be sure to check them out. This pretty much wraps up this version of "Help CBER save some horses" so keep an eye out on the site and we'll be back when it starts getting full again!

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR GENEROSITY. COTH IS FANTASTIC!!!

[EBO]

Oh Ishi! How kind of you. It really makes me feel so great to help find a good home for a horse who doesn't have one. That's the best reward there is.

Unless, of course, you could send me a truck load of barn help! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

[Jazzy's mom]

Just a slight Hijack..EBO, how are the girls? Have you graduated from pole to hand contact?

[EBO]

Hi Jazzy--several people told me, after watching Sister a little, that they thought she was wild stock, and that probably had never seen a human from closer than a mile away before she was "captured"! (These people have worked with BLM youngsters, ranch-born unhandled 2 yr olds, etc.) Okay, so I continued making tiny baby steps with her, except every day with the partner stick, I had to start over from the beginning. One day it dawned on me out of the blue that perhaps the people who brought her to the feedlot/auction/wherever-she-went-first, might have used a cattle prod on her and THAT was why we were having such problems with the partner stick. So, I stopped using it, and instead started sitting very quietly and closely to her while she was eating her hay. Since then, she has started smelling my hair and face (trying to smell my breath, I think), nibbling a little on my pants, and she doesn't hesitate to take food from my hands. She does follow me around, and I can coax her back into her pen now if I need to.

One thing that seems odd to me is that when she first came, she didn't seem as afraid of me as she was after a few days to a week. Since I know nothing bad has happened to her since she's been here, the only possibilities I can think of is either she was so traumatized from all her adventures before she arrived that she was in a state of shock until she relaxed a little, OR somebody had given her a little something to take the edge off someplace along the line. What do you think? The drivers told me that when they picked them up that Bob's place was a mad house--kids throwing ropes, dogs chasing horses, etc.--so maybe somebody did medicate her to get her on the trailer. We'll never know (until it's time to teach her to load http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif).

Ms. Anky, otoh, is something of a star. She does the halter thing, the grooming thing, the bug spray thing, leads (sort of) and adores clicker training. She has wrapped my husband around her little hoof. She likes to jump things, she likes to watch me make her porridge and paws because she can't eat it fast enough to suit her.

And, they play! That's a pretty recent development, and it makes me feel great that they are feeling safe and happy enough to do so.

I need to take new pictures.

Let me know what you think.

Eve