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Glimmerglass
Jan. 17, 2006, 10:08 AM
Interesting http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ireland On-line 1/16/06 (http://breakingnews.iol.ie/entertainment/story.asp?j=72463088&p=7z46339x)


Madonna builds horse course at mansion

16/01/2006 - 19:21:18

Pop superstar Madonna is planning to build a three-day horse jumping course at her country estate in Wiltshire, England.

The Hung Up hitmaker, who broke her hand, ribs and collarbone after falling from her horse last year, decided to construct the eventing course after undergoing riding lessons with British Olympic silver medallist William Fox-Pitt.

A celebrity friend of Madonna's says: "She is enthralled with the idea of becoming a better horsewoman, and spending time with an Olympic champion is certainly going to give you the bug."

Fox-Pitt's club spokesman confirmed: "He's definitely been giving Madonna lessons."

see also

Horse & Hound 1/17/06 - "Madonna’s children join Fox-Pitt Eventing" (http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/397/73268.html)

...she is hoping to attend Badminton in May.

Glimmerglass
Jan. 17, 2006, 10:08 AM
Interesting http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ireland On-line 1/16/06 (http://breakingnews.iol.ie/entertainment/story.asp?j=72463088&p=7z46339x)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Madonna builds horse course at mansion

16/01/2006 - 19:21:18

Pop superstar Madonna is planning to build a three-day horse jumping course at her country estate in Wiltshire, England.

The Hung Up hitmaker, who broke her hand, ribs and collarbone after falling from her horse last year, decided to construct the eventing course after undergoing riding lessons with British Olympic silver medallist William Fox-Pitt.

A celebrity friend of Madonna's says: "She is enthralled with the idea of becoming a better horsewoman, and spending time with an Olympic champion is certainly going to give you the bug."

Fox-Pitt's club spokesman confirmed: "He's definitely been giving Madonna lessons." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

see also

Horse & Hound 1/17/06 - "Madonna’s children join Fox-Pitt Eventing" (http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/397/73268.html)

...she is hoping to attend Badminton in May.

Magnolia
Jan. 17, 2006, 10:09 AM
That's pretty cool.

Glimmerglass
Jan. 17, 2006, 10:25 AM
Nothing wrong with a little publicity for the sport in the mainstream press. Although I think she ought to go Rolex instead http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Maybe Hung Up could be used promotionally for the sport http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

... Time goes by so slowly for those who wait
No time to hesitate
Those who run seem to have all the fun ...

Dale Area 1
Jan. 17, 2006, 10:30 AM
Love it! I just heard from my friend in England this morning. She lives very close to Wiltshire. Maybe next time I go, we can drive by Madonna place http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Robby Johnson
Jan. 17, 2006, 10:38 AM
I get one step closer to Madonna.

This makes me happy.

Very happy.

I've actually been awaiting her entree into eventing. I could totally see her at Badders.

Robby

BBowen
Jan. 17, 2006, 10:45 AM
Good for her and William is fun to ride with. I just loved riding in one of his clinics. He even remembered me when I got him to sign his book at Rolex. William is definitely easy on the eyes.

circusponydreams
Jan. 17, 2006, 11:05 AM
That's pretty weird, but good for her!

Fence2Fence
Jan. 17, 2006, 11:18 AM
As much as I usually snub my nose at celebrities and associated news...this is really awesome!

Even if Madonna is all pop-music, I really started to appreciate her when I listened to the Dick Tracey sound track from start to finish last year. I have a real appreciation for her now. I don't think she's very talented, but she knows how to put on a show. I can respect that!

When I read through the announcement, I kept imagining Madonna in that pointy black bra thing sitting on a beautiful bay Irish hunter type. Talk about contrasting images...it hurts my head.

Kap
Jan. 17, 2006, 11:25 AM
Has she ever evented before? Because if not, you might say she's "Like A Virgin" to the sport of a eventing... eventing "for the very first time!"

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Yes i know, bad joke. Bad joke. But someone had to say it.

Opening Farewell
Jan. 17, 2006, 11:39 AM
She's doing exactly what I would do if I was that loaded!

oskaar
Jan. 17, 2006, 11:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Fox-Pitt's club spokesman confirmed: "He's definitely been giving Madonna lessons." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spokesman? Is that like whoever answered the phone at the barn?

FlightCheck
Jan. 17, 2006, 12:10 PM
Great!

I think one of Madonna's strenghths is that she is always changing - not doing the "same old thing" that was big 20 years ago.

JER
Jan. 17, 2006, 12:53 PM
Madonna is awesome. I always thought she had good taste but this proves it beyond all doubt.

Wild Oaks Farm
Jan. 17, 2006, 12:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by oskaar:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Fox-Pitt's club spokesman confirmed: "He's definitely been giving Madonna lessons." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spokesman? Is that like whoever answered the phone at the barn? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif That's kind of what I was thinking...

Oh, and how did he get a hyphenated last name?

Glimmerglass
Jan. 17, 2006, 01:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by oskaar:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Fox-Pitt's club spokesman confirmed: "He's definitely been giving Madonna lessons." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spokesman? Is that like whoever answered the phone at the barn? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Keep in mind the article cited his fan club and referenced that organization's spokesperson http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Mr. Fox-Pitt likely does have a marketing agent, but a spokesperson would be a bit over the top.

One Star
Jan. 17, 2006, 02:25 PM
What do you suppose her eventing colors will be -- Burberry check, or Versace orange?

bornfreenowexpensive
Jan. 17, 2006, 03:06 PM
that's cool! The more supporters of the sport the better. She might be a fun person at a competitor's party!

ooh--I bet she could have fun with her colors!

Hopefully she gets herself a few nice horses and perhaps sponsers a few nice horses too.

persefne
Jan. 17, 2006, 03:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wild Oaks Farm:
Oh, and how did he get a hyphenated last name? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You mean William Fox-Pitt? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif Is that a serious question?

I agree with those who have said, who cares why she's doing it or if she's even/ever any good...if Madonna's doing it, it'll get attention. And what eventing needs is any kind of exposure to the general public. Who knows? If there's ever a feature on Entertainment Tonight about Madonna taking up "the sport of eventing," there may be some totally clueless people out there who might even go so far as to Google it...and lo and behold, another dear soul will have some sort of reference (albeit basic) for what our sport is.

Oh, and on a similar note, I read recently that Tim Henman's wife just completed her first pre-novice horse trial (Training-level over here, I believe). She'd been riding for a while and working towards competing in eventing. Good for her!!! I guess if Andrew Lloyd-Webber can own competitive event horses, then so can Maddie! (Although AL-W never actually *rode* any of those horses...he left that honor to Mark Todd). http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Scaramouch
Jan. 17, 2006, 03:30 PM
Wow. That's great for her, but the concept takes a little getting used to!

Mariequi
Jan. 17, 2006, 05:15 PM
And Ellen D. almost daily mentions on her show how wonderful horses are since she has her own and has moved to the 'ranch'.

Dale Area 1
Jan. 17, 2006, 07:13 PM
I read an interview with Ellen D (forget the magazine)that mentioned her SO is an avid horsewoman. So Ellen D started riding.

One Star
Jan. 17, 2006, 07:22 PM
Portia di Rossi is an avid horsewoman? Well hooee, shut my mouth...

EasterEgg
Jan. 18, 2006, 03:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Burberry check </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Chav-tastic!!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Originally posted by persefne:
I guess if Andrew Lloyd-Webber can own competitive event horses, then so can Maddie! (Although AL-W never actually *rode* any of those horses...he left that honor to Mark Todd). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can't remember for the life of me what that horse Mark Todd rode was called, but the horses are not so much to do with Andrew and a lot to do with his wife Madeleine (nee Gurdon).

The Gurdon family live in the next village from me - I was in the Pony Club with Madeleine's nieces. Madeleine had a pretty successful eventing career before she married Andrew - she had a little dun horse called The Done Thing. and was on the British team for the WEG in 1990 I think? I think they won a silver medal...

She married Andrew in 1991 in the village church - it was a very nice (cold) day and everyone went along to watch.

The Gurdons are a lovely family - Madeleine's mum was always very complimentary about my pony whenever she came to watch her granddaughter ride with us!

Robby Johnson
Jan. 18, 2006, 04:43 AM
Portia di Rossi is actually an Australian whose name is something like Amanda Nicholson. She had an Italian grandmother, perhaps, and built her acting career on this Italian name. There was a really great article on Portia on the cover of The Advocate this summer. The press has portrayed her as a bit kooky and off-the-rocker but I found her, in The Advocate article, to be nothing short of fantastic. She is true to herself as a lesbian, and went through the same struggles so many gay teens endure. I am glad she is happy and has a home that includes horses.

Madonna is certainly passionate in her interests and I think this only benefits our sport and cause. I have said for eons, in my role with communications for US Eventing, that a celebrity endorsement or involvement would definitely jump-start eventing, by making it more of a household name. And I'm sorry, you couldn't get a better endorsement than Madonna's if publicity is what you're after.

Perhaps Madonna's event will be a good CCI competition - I understand they're needing more of those in England as well.

Robby

One Star
Jan. 18, 2006, 06:14 AM
Indeed, Robby. Well said. And Madonna's fanaticism towards eventing will certainly be viewed by most Americans as less "fringe" than her involvement with the Kabbalah Center and her religious studies.

Personally, I enjoyed her recent documentary, "Je vais te dire un secret" quite a bit.

jhodkin
Jan. 18, 2006, 06:38 AM
Hoorah ! (she says in a good 'ole english way!) This is EXACTLY what eventing needs - this is kudos in buckets for our sport. Not because Madonna is a leading light in equestrian and endorsement therefore equalls approval, but in the respect that she has probably the biggest publicity machine in the world. If we piggy back on that for a free ride and encourage lots more people into the sport that HAS to be a good thing, regardless of the fact that it's just slightly tacky. Who cares???!!!

EasterEgg - Defo... 'Chav-tastic' !! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Jeannette, formerly ponygyrl
Jan. 18, 2006, 07:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by one_star_or_bust:
And Madonna's fanaticism towards eventing will certainly be viewed by most Americans as less "fringe" than her involvement with the Kabbalah Center and her religious studies.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, until they get to know us. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

persefne
Jan. 18, 2006, 07:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by EasterEgg:

I can't remember for the life of me what that horse Mark Todd rode was called, but the horses are not so much to do with Andrew and a lot to do with his wife Madeleine (nee Gurdon).
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeh, but if I'd said "Madeleine Lloyd-Webber (nee Gurdon)," nobody over here would know who the heck I was talking about! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Now that you mention it, I can't remember the horse/horses he rode for them either. I've got his book at home (Mark Todd's, that is, not AL-W's) and I'll look later. It'll drive me crazy until then trying to remember! Didn't the Todds lease out a stable and property owned by the Lloyd-Webbers when they were living in the UK?

Of course, the most exciting Andrew Lloyd-Webber/horse connection tid bit that I know is that Patrick Wilson actually did ride and jump the white horse he was on in the movie version of "Phantom of the Opera." http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Perfect Pony
Jan. 18, 2006, 08:30 AM
Personally I don't "like" Madonna at all. She seems to be nothing but a spoiled brat freak of a woman who is desperate to become anyone but herself. She could do so much real good in the world, but instead she runs around touting her "religion" to the rich, and trying like mad to transform herself from an Italian-American Catholic with absolutely no class into some characature of an "English Aristicrat".

Freak.

Robby Johnson
Jan. 18, 2006, 08:49 AM
Italian-American. Get your facts straight.

Drumbiggle
Jan. 18, 2006, 08:53 AM
She's Italian-American (though her mom was of French-Canadian extraction). I believe she has always identified herself as Italian-Am.

Perfect Pony
Jan. 18, 2006, 08:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robby Johnson:
Italian-American. Get your facts straight. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hehe funny typo....she only wishes she was Irish, then at least she'd be a tad closer to really being British!

Sorry Robby, I'm not the best typist. Boy are people happy to jump on you as quickly as possible though. While we are at it did I have any spelling errors?

Robby Johnson
Jan. 18, 2006, 09:07 AM
Irish and Italian aren't typos, sweetie. They're separate words.
Your typing skills seem very up-to-par.

Errors of fact suck. Trust me, I know of what I speak.

Lisamarie8
Jan. 18, 2006, 09:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Perfect Pony:
Personally I don't "like" Madonna at all. She seems to be nothing but a spoiled brat freak of a woman who is desperate to become anyone but herself. She could do so much real good in the world, but instead she runs around touting her "religion" to the rich, and trying like mad to transform herself from an Italian-American Catholic with absolutely no class into some characature of an "English Aristicrat".

Freak. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I, personally, find it FASCINATING when people can muster up this amplitude of venom for someone who A) they have never met; B) they never will meet; and C) Seems to be hurting not one single soul.

Seems like a lot of anger for no reason. I mean if she was eating puppies for dinner and having kittens for dessert, sure. But spending her money as she sees fit, reinventing herself as she feels the need, and touting what she deems important to tout? Not So Much things found in an anger-making factory if you ask me.

But hey, I'm pretty zen like that.

I'm positively giddy that Madonna is doing this. How can it be anything but a good thing?

Glimmerglass
Jan. 18, 2006, 09:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Perfect Pony:
She could do so much real good in the world, but instead she runs around touting her "religion" to the rich, and trying like mad to transform herself from an Italian-American Catholic with absolutely no class into some characature [sic] of an "English Aristicrat [sic]". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not sure what she is supposed to do that would be deemed as "good" in the world. The woman today is a far cry from the bratty girl of the 1980's. I think she strives to be the best parent she can be to her two children - and does a very good job that I can tell - which is more then most people could ever claim. If anything a lot of parents could learn some valuable lessons from her strict but loving household.

She wrote a series of children's books, gives money to causes, and continues to top the charts with songs that are far more appealing then anything on aired on MTV these days.

So what if she now owns a country estate in England, has taken on a faux British accent, and the like. Is that criminal? Is that evil? I think bashing someone like Paris Hilton, who did come from a family that portends to have class and money but acts like a classless bubblehead, is more appropriate.

persefne
Jan. 18, 2006, 09:53 AM
Alright, alright. Enough about the woman!!! You're going to get this thread closed as "not horse-related" if we all keep picking love/hate sides, here. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Does whether or not she intends/attempts to be an event rider really depend upon who she is? In terms of professional PR for our sport, if you plan to hire her as your spokesperson (or spokes"freak," in Perfect Pony's case), then you can quibble over her personal details. But if we passionate eventers want random people out there in the world to say, "hey! What's this 'eventing' that Madonna's into now?" then we can't get better mainstream culture exposure than Mrs. Ritchie.

It's MADONNA for pete's sake! It's not exactly like we're talking about "to Rollkur or not to Rollkur," so no more fighting, fellow eventers. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Magnolia
Jan. 18, 2006, 09:57 AM
Madonna has my respect. She started out as a Briney Spears type who could have been a "flash in the pan" but has stuck around charting her OWN course for years. She is supremely fit and has done very well for herself without coming off as a diva. She is definitely quirky, but that is her business plan which she sticks to. There have been a lot of entertainers who have fallen victim to drugs, management, changing tastes.... yet Madonna manages to keep going strong.

To me, Madonna has shown that the sexy white girl in entertainment can be sexy and in control of her life even as she ages. To me, that is some "real good" in her story in a world where white women in entertainment are generally valued until their boobs sag, wrinkles pop out and they no longer appear skeletal.

And honestly, i don't even like her music.

Perfect Pony
Jan. 18, 2006, 10:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robby Johnson:
Irish and Italian aren't typos, sweetie. They're separate words.
Your typing skills seem very up-to-par.

Errors of fact suck. Trust me, I know of what I speak. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I meant I just mistakingly typed it out, not because I don't know she's Italian, but because I was typing quickly and for whatever strange reason my fingers typed Irish when my brain was thinking Italian.

And cut the condescending "sweeties" please, sweetie...

Robby Johnson
Jan. 18, 2006, 10:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Perfect Pony:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robby Johnson:
Irish and Italian aren't typos, sweetie. They're separate words.
Your typing skills seem very up-to-par.

Errors of fact suck. Trust me, I know of what I speak. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I meant I just mistakingly typed it out, not because I don't know she's Italian, but because I was typing quickly and for whatever strange reason my fingers typed Irish when my brain was thinking Italian.

And cut the condescending "sweeties" please, sweetie... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know, there are times when it's better to just quit typing (good or bad as your skills might be), leave it alone, think about it, etc.

This is one of those times for you, sweetie.

Perfect Pony
Jan. 18, 2006, 10:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lisamarie8:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Perfect Pony:
Personally I don't "like" Madonna at all. She seems to be nothing but a spoiled brat freak of a woman who is desperate to become anyone but herself. She could do so much real good in the world, but instead she runs around touting her "religion" to the rich, and trying like mad to transform herself from an Italian-American Catholic with absolutely no class into some characature of an "English Aristicrat".

Freak. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I, personally, find it FASCINATING when people can muster up this amplitude of venom for someone who A) they have never met; B) they never will meet; and C) Seems to be hurting not one single soul.

Seems like a lot of anger for no reason. I mean if she was eating puppies for dinner and having kittens for dessert, sure. But spending her money as she sees fit, reinventing herself as she feels the need, and touting what she deems important to tout? Not So Much things found in an anger-making factory if you ask me.

But hey, I'm pretty zen like that.

I'm positively giddy that Madonna is doing this. How can it be anything but a good thing? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I personally find it fascinating that someone can read so much into a post by someone A) they have never met; B) they never will meet; and C) Seems to be hurting not one single soul

I just was expressing an opionion that differed from the Madonna love fest. Believe it or not I rarely if ever think of Madonna, do not listen to her music and certainly would not see a movie. I just don't "like" (notice the quotes, it was my attempt of saying it in a semi tounge in cheek way, since I don't know her...) people that go around touting themselves as some sort of spiritual guru, then marketing said religion like they market their albums. Add to that her weird need to invent herself as some Jewish-yoga-British-Catholic complete with ever changing accent, well it just screams a little bit of "freak" to me.

And btw, people semi in the know do say she is the worst sort of diva, she just hides it well with her powerful marketing abilities.

I guess I don't see her as a good thing for the sport, exactly how? What "good" comes from just plain exposure? I actually see random mainsteam exposure as what has caused the downfall of the "3-day" that you all are so upset to see disappear?

BarbB
Jan. 18, 2006, 10:34 AM
I think it is great that she, or anyone else, is building a course. She deserves thanks from the users for this. Wish she, or anyone else, would rebuild Colo Horse Park. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

That said, the rest of this is just celebrity goobledegoop. One reason I like hanging out with horse people is that they seem to have their own lives and don't spend as much time as the average American sighing over details of the lives of pop stars.

If she falls off over a xc obstacle we will NEVER hear the end of how dangerous the sport is. When she fell off before you couldn't turn the TV on without hearing some reporter yammering about how she was 'nearly killled' in a horseback riding accident and riding horses is REALLY dangerous dontcha know? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

JMHO.
I hope the course turns out well and gets used.

KellyS
Jan. 18, 2006, 10:41 AM
Sorry, but there was certainly no need to jump all over Perfect Pony. Heck - we all get opinionated about stuff on here every once in awhile and she has just as much right to share her opinion as anyone else. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

I could really care less about whether Madonna thinks eventing is the next best thing. All my "non horsey" friends (and even my boss) think horses are for the rich and elite - having Madonna jump on the band wagon is only going to perpetuate this image.

I think the crux of the matter is just what kind of attention does eventing need? Or does it need any at all? I've seen it become more mainstream over the past few years - television coverage, etc. But I've also seen the spirit of the sport start to get lost which is especially evident with the loss of the real three day at the ***/**** levels.

If I'm going to look up to anybody getting into the sport, it is going to be someone who is probably not in the limelight - a hard-working amateur (or even professional) with limited funds who is a true horseman and dedicated to the sport. Only time will tell the extent of Madonna's dedication. Until then, let's not be so quick to jump all over one of our own here on the eventing board.

persefne
Jan. 18, 2006, 10:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Perfect Pony:
I actually see random mainsteam exposure as what has caused the downfall of the "3-day" that you all are so upset to see disappear? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok. This is an intriguing line of thinking, indeed. I'm curious to see this explained further. As I see your point right now, I don't think that having -- say -- the 20-25 people in my office that don't have a clue what "eventing" is being told "it is an equestrian sport that involves...." relating directly to the loss of the Classic format of 3-day eventing. Like I said, that's what I get from your post right now. If you could explain your point better, I might be able to get a better idea of how you feel that greater America is the culprit for the recent rise of the short/Olympic format.

kcooper
Jan. 18, 2006, 10:57 AM
No doubt this will be one FANTASTIC XC course. Love her or hate her, you have to admit she does not do things half way. She always finds top people to help with her various endeavors and it looks like she has done so again. Plus, with the addictive nature of this sport, and that fact that her kids are involved, she might become a long-term big supporter in lots of other ways as well. Now, we should just try to convince her to build a course in the States as well!

Robby Johnson
Jan. 18, 2006, 10:58 AM
Listen, if you get involved in the sport at the administrative level you will ALWAYS hear about 1.) lack of funding and 2.) lack of awareness. These two issues are hot-topics in all riding disciplines.

Madonna's "step-up" is big because it addresses both of those topics in a big way. To me, this is like eventing winning the lottery.

"Spirit of the Sport" is a subjective thing. There are always pay-to-play consequences and that is a harsh reality. If the entire membership of eventing was fine with our sport being held in private, non-publicized venues where it truly was about just the competition, then maybe I would be more keen on the idea of the spirit of the sport.

To me, the sport is about riding your personal best over three disciplines, with some luck and favor thrown in, and accomplishing your personal goals. Riding isn't instantly accessible to all who take interest, but taking interest and increasing profile and public awareness is all that we really need.

And let me just say, too, that you get what you ask for. A flat-out personal bash on Madonna based entirely on myth or personal perception warrants a reprimand.

How would you feel if someone posted something so venomous about you in public?

Robby

One Star
Jan. 18, 2006, 11:16 AM
Thanks, persefne, you beat me to the punch on this point.

It is *not* random mainstream exposure" that has prompted the rise in the new format of eventing, which seems to favor warmbloods and crosses that are far better suited to winning at Dressage and Showjumping, now the most influential phases. It is a complicated web of international scope involving sport horse breeding, safety issues following a devastating year of deaths at the upper levels, power struggles in the FEI and the IOC, and the changing nature of professional event riders and the horses they train, compete, and sell.

I, too, worry about the possibility that Madonna will become competitive, get hurt like Christopher Reeve did, and garner some more negative attention to our sport. On the other hand, I agree that you can't find a much bigger publicity machine, and pop culture recognition and PR aimed at the masses is one thing we can certainly use to gain mainstream attention.

As an aside, I had a colleague at university who was American, and married a literature professor from England. After living with him for several years, she developed a kind of "faux" British accent, and this was certainly not an affected mannerism on her part. Our ear is tuned to hear things different from what is familiar. Madonna's husband has a very pronounced accent, and I'm sure it is a subconscious thing on her part to have it reflected in her speech. I am from the Boston area, but I live in Florida most of the year now. I often find myself drawling, and saying y'all. Does that make me a phony with an "ever-changing accent"?

Love her, or hate her, she gets your attention. I say, welcome to the wild and wacky world of the dark side of equestrian sport, Madonna!

Perfect Pony
Jan. 18, 2006, 11:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robby Johnson:
And let me just say, too, that you get what you ask for. A flat-out personal bash on Madonna based entirely on myth or personal perception warrants a reprimand.

How would you feel if someone posted something so venomous about you in public?

Robby </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Give me a break. For one, you with your rude and condescending tone did essentially post something venomous about me in public.

Secondly, Madonna is a public person who made her millions of dollars by purposly creating an image of herself so people would LOVE and HATE her - she has sought and does seek to inspire strong feelings about her both negative and positive in order to advance her own created persona.

Your personal attack on me and "reprimand" (LOL) for "attacking poor Madonna" is laughable.

mjedge808
Jan. 18, 2006, 11:28 AM
First off, WOOHOO! Maybe we can talk her into doing a benefit concert for Eventing here in the US.

Second,
Robby, thanks for lending your years of experience in so many ways to this conversation. It's helpful.

For me, I will be thrilled to pieces if eventing gets a boost from Madonna being a participant, and possibly holding a trial or CCI at her new course. The only thing that concerns me is if she rides herself, becomes high-profile, and then screws up. not that i am judging her, just thinking of media and general publics' opinions and perspectives. After Christopher reeve, the sport took a little heat. I just hope we don't get anymore.

I honestly hope that she brings nothing but good things to our little but dedicated sport and can help us all spread the word.

i just don't want it to backfire. Hopefully, working with William Fox-Pitt will teach her a lot about riding and courses and everything. He's so good! i wish i could hop the pond and train with him sometime.

Glimmerglass
Jan. 18, 2006, 11:32 AM
Lets not forget that Zara Phillips' success from hard work, her attractive looks, and youth ads a lot to the sport's coverage and continued interest in the UK.

As for Madonna's estate, Ashcombe, it is only about 100 miles Southeast from London and with 1,200 + acres it could be a perfect training center for any interest in Eventing.

JER
Jan. 18, 2006, 11:34 AM
Some first-hand experience here: Madonna has had dinner with me.

This was years ago and although we did not talk about horses, we talked at length about dogs, specifically JRTs, so you could say she was probably already on the path that leads to eventing.

My impression? She's a very decent person who's worked hard for everything she has. She's not a natural diva or genetically gifted singer but she's commandeered her abilities to become quite a force in pop culture. And that takes loads of courage. No wonder she likes XC.

Perfect Pony, I though your "Italian-American Catholic" statement was rather insensitive. As if being an "Italian-American Catholic" is clearly a lower-class designation and Madonna was wrong to try and better herself in society. While there's something quaint about Victorian social attitudes, it's not enough to overcome the prejudice.

I'm half-Italian, half-Irish and Catholic by birth. I have an Italian surname, unlike many Italian families who immigrated to this country. They changed their names to avoid the hatred/discrimination that many Americans had for Italians and other ethnic groups.

So -- getting back to the topic here -- it puts a big smile on my face to see that an Australian with an ordinary Anglo name renamed herself "Portia di Rossi". Now she's one of us!

hey101
Jan. 18, 2006, 11:40 AM
Chiming in on the "faux" accent... both my parents are British but moved to the States over 30 years ago. My dad sounds like exactly like an American now except for one or two very specific words that come out accented. My mom still sounds very British to me and my friends, but when I"m over in Britain and hear a "full-strength" British accent I always realize how "Americanized" my mom's accent has actually become (don't let her hear me say that!). So I think it's very realistic that Madonna's accent is changing.

hey101
Jan. 18, 2006, 11:42 AM
Forgot to say- I have always thought Madonna was one of the coolest women in the world, have always liked her ever-changing style and music, and now that she's into eventing? Really, that tops everything- nothing else she can do to keep "improving" herself! And I can't wait to see what kind of course she builds at her estate.

Jazzy Lady
Jan. 18, 2006, 11:44 AM
So who else can we bait into the fabulous sport? We can call it "eventing with the stars" and see what happens. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

All joking aside I think it's great that someone with the money and a public profile is contributing in a major way to the sport. More power to her! Ubber jealous she gets to ride with that tall drink of water...

persefne
Jan. 18, 2006, 11:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Glimmerglass:
Lets not forget that Zara Phillips' success from hard work, her attractive looks, and youth ads a lot to the sport's coverage and continued interest in the UK.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I try to keep this in mind, always, but when I tell a non-horsey/no-clue-about-eventing colleague that "it's the sport that Zara Phillip's rides in," I get a blank look. Who? Then, I have to say, "the daughter of Princess Anne, who also rode in eventing..." and, by that point, said colleague has glazed eyes and drool dripping from his/her lower lip.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by one_star_or_bust:
I, too, worry about the possibility that Madonna will become competitive, get hurt like Christopher Reeve did, and garner some more negative attention to our sport. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I see the one side of this, but, let's take NASCAR (ho-hum, not again, but it will do) for instance. I KNOW NOTHING about NASCAR (except that there is this massive building/racetrack in my hometown of Bristol, TN, that supposedly holds these "things" there). Anyway, I'm well-aware of who Dale Ernhardt was and that he died tragically in a NASCAR race. He competed in (and excelled at) a very dangerous sport. But, just because I don't compete at stock car driving -- thank goodness...or else, how could I hear my Coldplay cd over all that roaring and revving? -- doesn't mean that I don't respect those who do, and more importantly, KNOW what it is that they'd give their lives to pursue. I know that's way more expounding on one, simple aspect of this issue, but I wouldn't worry too much about negative publicity if Madonna falls off or gets hurt. People will just say, "what the h#ll kind of person points a galloping horse at a pile of logs, with a landing point in a small pond of water? That person would have to be either crazy or incredibly brave." Personally, I'd like for Average Joe to spend a few of his remaining brain cells pondering the question of "eventing" in between his forays to Starbucks and his time spent ogling porn online at work. What's wrong with raising awareness? And who better to make the world sit up and take notice than MADONNA? I sure know that if I had the money, I'd be on a plane to Miami to snatch up a pair of those purple Versace lace-up boots she's worn about 100 different places this past year. I've seen the pictures everywhere...and I am now (painfully) aware. Haven't seen a Versace ad for those things yet, but why advertise when you have a client like Madonna? They got little ole me sucked in, that's for sure. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

bornfreenowexpensive
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:01 PM
Well I think it is a very good thing to have the support of a large landowner--regardless of who such person may be. The only concern I have about such a high profile person like Madonna is if she gets hurt. It is a dangerous sport--both for rider and horse. Anytime you get too high profile--you also open your self up for even more regulation and more criticism--I'm mostly concerned about extreme animal rights activists.

Also--the sport is about the horses...not who rides or owns them. But a supporting landowners--very much a good thing.

Glimmerglass
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by persefne:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Glimmerglass:
Lets not forget that Zara Phillips' success from hard work, her attractive looks, and youth ads a lot to the sport's coverage and continued interest in the UK.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I try to keep this in mind, always, but when I tell a non-horsey/no-clue-about-eventing colleague that "it's the sport that Zara Phillip's rides in," I get a blank look. Who? Then, I have to say, "the daughter of Princess Anne, who also rode in eventing..." and, by that point, said colleague has glazed eyes and drool dripping from his/her lower lip. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just show him a photo of her (http://zaraphillips.sexysportschicks.com/zaraphotos.html) as no red blooded American male could say she isn't good looking and lives a more thrilling life then just about any guy, too http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Glimmerglass
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted:
The only concern I have about such a high profile person like Madonna is if she gets hurt. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uh, hasn't that already happened? Backlash? None that I can see towards riding, horses or her.

Drumbiggle
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:08 PM
Accents can change, I know this from first hand experience. It varies from person to person and is, more often than not, not a concious thing. We all know someone who emigrated 70 years ago and sounds like they got off the boat and others whose accents show noticable change in a short period of time. It depends on many factors, but the most important is the ability to communicate and be understood, this will often cause a person to unconciously change their speech. This is especially noticable among children who can pick up an accent almost overnight after moving to a different country or region.
I haven't heard Madonna speak in years so I have no idea what her accents sounds like, but if you want another example listen to Brad Freidel, the former goalkeeper for the US soccer team, he has a distinct Lanchashire overtone to his accent having spent the last 10 years playing for Blackburn and Liverpool. I don't believe this is affected...... who would want to affect a Lancashire accent!

Regarding what effect this will have on eventing, I imagine it can't help but raise awareness of the sport. Hey, if there's 10 less people in the world that you don't have to spend 15 minutes explaining to them what eventing is, as they look at you with a belwildered look on their faces.... that can't be a bad thing.

bornfreenowexpensive
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Glimmerglass:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted:
The only concern I have about such a high profile person like Madonna is if she gets hurt. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uh, hasn't that already happened? Backlash? None that I can see towards riding, horses or her. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm talking both her and her horse are seriously hurt. It would probably be more of an issue if her horse got really hurt. That's the big difference I see between riding and a sport like NASCAR--it's all about the horse and there are groups out there that would think what we do is abuse--I wouldn't want to give them any ammo.

EventerArapahoe
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:42 PM
I personally think that she should put her money back here, in the states, and build a course for her fellow Americans. (oh wait, thats right, she forgot that she is an American) http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Robby Johnson
Jan. 18, 2006, 01:01 PM
Perfect Pony,

I did NOT personally attack you. I made a reference to your error. This has apparently put a bee in your bonnet.

I did not call you a "freak," criticize your life choices or dreams, or go into "100 words or so" why you suck because you try to be something you're not, etc.

That's what you did.

So just own it, get over it, and let's move on.

Robby Johnson
Jan. 18, 2006, 01:06 PM
p.s. If her introduction of Kabbalah to Western Culture is any indicator, look for Demi Moore, Ashton Kutcher, Marla Maples and, gasp, Paris Hilton to hit the event scene soon! (We all know how "experienced" Paris is on horseback. She will be the one to watch!)

Also, the idea of Madonna taking lessons from WFP is really appealing to me. She is an achiever and she is very serious about what she does. I suspect she's rewarding to teach because she makes herself 100% available to her interests, and I think that is why she is so successful at what she does.

Janet
Jan. 18, 2006, 01:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Accents can change, I know this from first hand experience. It varies from person to person and is, more often than not, not a concious thing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, Even when you actively try not to change- you do.

joliemom
Jan. 18, 2006, 02:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I suspect she's rewarding to teach because she makes herself 100% available to her interests, and I think that is why she is so successful at what she does. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
To get this little train back on the happy track, her perseverance is something I really admire about the woman. She really works at being the best in whatever she chooses. Dance. Music. Yoga. You name it, she'll do it and do it well. Now she can add riding to the list.

Gallop On
Jan. 18, 2006, 02:47 PM
I'm impressed. It is very difficult to start eventing as an adult - and everyone in the universe will be watching and critiquing. Takes a hell of a lot of nerve - good thing she is not lacking in that department. I wish her well.

GiantHim!
Jan. 18, 2006, 02:50 PM
I'm happy that she is doing eventing with her kids. I got starting at an eventing barn in Los Angeles and I saw plenty of stars and their kids running around getting dirty taking care of horses themselves with no grooms in sight. And what an excellent foundation for kids to get started with learning dressage, jumping and riding outside the ring! Keep in mind that eventing may be very popular in her neck of the woods, now that hunting is banned.

And with WFP I can't think of a nicer mentor!

Sannois
Jan. 18, 2006, 02:53 PM
Whoopee~! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Kap
Jan. 18, 2006, 03:58 PM
As a teenager, I can't quite relate to seeing Madonna as a pop star. Yes, she has come out with some recent hits, but my earliest memory of her is when she and Britney Spears did their semi-lesbian duet together, complete with a sex-driven music video that had all the sex appeal of watching a girl kiss my mom. I do, however, look back on her earlier work, when she was at the height of her fame, and see that she is one in a million (or more) in her drive to get to the top. Heck, anyone who has seen the Madonna E Inside Story (or whatever it's called) has got to hand it to her, the woman has drive http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Which leads me to my point: I agree with previous posters. To start eventing at such an age (not sure how old she is, but she looks like late 40's? 50?) takes some guts and determination. At that age many women are settled into the housewife role. She's out there trying new sports, dusting herself off when she fails, and turning out hit records while being a good mother at the same time. It's really not about liking her as a singer, or religious icon. It's about liking what she is doing for the sport of eventing.

Barnfairy
Jan. 18, 2006, 04:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">No doubt this will be one FANTASTIC XC course. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Absolutely.

It will undoubtedly contain challenges such as:

the Virginal Vee (corner)

Into the Grave (coffin complex)

Shanghai Surprise (drop into water)

Live to Tell (trakehner)

The Cones (combination of skinnies)

Die another Day (unfinished bridge)

Ray of Light (airy triple bar)

The English Roses (rail over shrub roses)

Bourgeoisie Bank

Hung Up (rails at bottom of downhill slope)

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One Star
Jan. 18, 2006, 05:15 PM
Brilliant, Barnfairy!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">As a teenager, I can't quite relate to seeing Madonna as a pop star. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Poor, dear Kap. Just what kind of musical star do you think Madonna is? Please tell me you've heard of "Lucky Star," "Borderline," "Papa Don't Preach," "Dress You Up in My Love," "Into the Groove," and "Material Girl," to name just a few of her chart-topping POP hits. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

If Madonna learns to event from WF-P the way she learned guitar from Monte Pittman, I think she'll take to it like a duck to water.

And as Robby said in a previous post, the visibility factor is like winning the lottery for our sport.

Kap
Jan. 18, 2006, 05:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by one_star_or_bust:
Brilliant, Barnfairy!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">As a teenager, I can't quite relate to seeing Madonna as a pop star. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Poor, dear Kap. Just what kind of musical star do you think Madonna is? Please tell me you've heard of "Lucky Star," "Borderline," "Papa Don't Preach," "Dress You Up in My Love," "Into the Groove," and "Material Girl," to name just a few of her chart-topping POP hits. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

If Madonna learns to event from WF-P the way she learned guitar from Monte Pittman, I think she'll take to it like a duck to water.

And as Robby said in a previous post, the visibility factor is like winning the lottery for our sport. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've heard of Material Girl. And I've heard of Papa Don't Preach, but only because Kelly Osbourne remade it, and it was heinous-sounding. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif I guess I'm just a pop-culture failure.

Wild Oaks Farm
Jan. 18, 2006, 05:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by persefne:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wild Oaks Farm:
Oh, and how did he get a hyphenated last name? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You mean William Fox-Pitt? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif Is that a serious question?

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uhhh...yes. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif I don't mean Madonna!

Wild Oaks Farm
Jan. 18, 2006, 05:37 PM
[QUOTE]

If Madonna learns to event from WF-P the way she learned guitar from Monte Pittman, I think she'll take to it like a duck to water.

QUOTE]

Monte was the best man in my wedding! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif He was out here at Christmas time and I gave his daughter her first pony ride (she's 9 months old...gotta get her started early).

One Star
Jan. 18, 2006, 06:33 PM
Wild Oak, GTFO! So you definitely have an in with the Eventing Material Girl. How cool is that?

Dear Kap, you are NOT a failure. Now trot your young fanny back over to the Thongpends thread and wax intellectual about the decline of capitalistic civilization, or help Renny tend to Ponybreeder's creative needs. There's a good girl.

Wild Oaks Farm
Jan. 18, 2006, 06:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by one_star_or_bust:
Wild Oak, GTFO! So you definitely have an in with the Eventing Material Girl. How cool is that?

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I already told him I could give her riding lessons. I'm sure she'll be calling me any day now...

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One Star
Jan. 18, 2006, 06:59 PM
Wild Oak, I hear that she has your number on speed dial, right after WF-P, oh he of the hyphenated surname. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Wild Oaks Farm
Jan. 18, 2006, 07:20 PM
Yes, and when she calls I'll be sure to tell her to get a *real* trainer who only has one last name!

Funckyfilly
Jan. 18, 2006, 07:30 PM
Let's just hope she doesn't overface herself and end of like Christopher Reeves. That would be extremely BAD for the sport!

Kap
Jan. 18, 2006, 07:40 PM
Funckyfilly... maybe you should have skimmed previous posts before posting that. It's not even that appropo either...

lep
Jan. 18, 2006, 07:46 PM
I lived in France for nearly a year, and when I came home, my dad was appalled at the change in my accent. It went from Southern to more neutral (or so I'm told). It certainly was NOT intentional.

Anyway, good for Madonna. I took up riding as an adult, so I wish any other adult beginners well! It motivates me as well to hear about other people starting riding as adults. Plus I've always loved her! She commits herself to doing whatever she sets her mind to, which I find admirable.

EasterEgg
Jan. 19, 2006, 02:25 AM
The accent thing is tricky really, you certainly do unitentionally pick up the accent that you hear around you, but it can also be a conscious decision to make yourself understood.

When I was living in VA as a teenager, I often found it easier to adopt a 'faux-american' accent (especially in shops or restaurants) just to stop people saying 'huh?' after everything I said!

My parents are both originally from the north-east of England, and have fairly strong Geordie accents. If they spoke like they do at home to the people where we live now (East Anglia) no-one would understand a word they were saying so they both have a 'toned down' accent for use outside of home.

I've noticed this with Madonna too - when she's on TV here she has a much stronger 'British' accent (it does sound very odd, sometimes like she's trying too hard), but on US programmes she doesn't sound that British at all!

To be honest I can't see this eventing thing lasting - probably just a fad. When she first bought Ashdown with Guy Ritchie, she was all into learning how to shoot and setting the place up a shooting estate. She then however went all Kaballah and couldn't shoot anymore because they apparantly believe that the souls of the little pheasants she despatched would come back to haunt her. Or something equally as daft.

jhodkin
Jan. 19, 2006, 02:35 AM
She's also bought some racehorses. A friend of mine knows the Manager at Sandley Stud (part of Scarvagh House Stud) and apparently she's been visiting there, so it looks like she's getting into horses big time - racehorses as well as eventers...

It's all got to be good for raising the equestrian profile. After all...
...publicity generates interest...
...interest generates spectators/viewers...
...spectators/viewers generates sponsorship...
...sponsorship generates money...
...and money can create so many opportunities - like more events, better events, young rider training, elite training.... the list goes on...

That's why, whilst somewhat tacky... it HAS to be a good thing for the sport when looked at from a wider perspective...

Barnfairy
Jan. 19, 2006, 06:12 AM
I thought of a few more obstacles for the course. (Is it very sad this is what I was thinking of while in the barn this morning?)

Like a Stair (steps up, leading to altar table)

Kabbalah Bounce (formed of giant Kabbalah bracelet)

A Log of their Own

Broken Wrist (serpent)

Mr. Peabody's Apples (produce stand)

Vogue (a frame formed by two giant hands with thumbs extended, one turned up, the other down)

Okay, that's 16 (including my contribution on the last page)...halfway there....still need a water complex...

Won For Me
Jan. 19, 2006, 07:20 AM
I think that eventing needs the publicity right now. For the seven years I have evented in Florida, we have lost 5 venues that used to hold frequent events. The Ocala Horse Park is the only new one recently built. Anyone who has driven past or been to Canterbury recently knows the horrors of how fast suburbia is closing in.

I have never been a celebrity watcher. I have seen John Mellencamp and Bruce Springsteen at shows, but if someone had not pointed them out, I would not have noticed. I don't care in the slightest if it is Madonna or someone who won the lottery yesterday, it is a new course that is being built. Thank heavens, it is not another one being torn down for a subdivision. Yeah, I know, I won't ever get to run XC there, but maybe it will help give a boost to the eventing community.

I think I would only care if I had to show against Madonna. After all she could afford a nicer horse, and think of all the lessons she can take...and now the endless possibilities of schooling! Chance are she won't travel across the pond to do BN, so I am probably safe!

Robby Johnson
Jan. 19, 2006, 08:19 AM
Barnfairy, you should really submit your list to Horse and Hound. I am sure they would love it! You are awesome and creative! Go for it and let them know we're happy to hear the news stateside!

Robby

Robby Johnson
Jan. 19, 2006, 08:21 AM
p.s. If we need a few more fences/songs:

Rescue Me - the coffin
Keep It Together - bounce into water
Nothing Really Matters - a big open ditch you can just flat out gallop over
Something To Remember - a picture frame jump

q's mom
Jan. 19, 2006, 08:36 AM
People-Dont hate....Appreciate http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif I'm totally w/ Won For Me. I'm not particularly a huge Madonna fan (was when I was younger) but I say more power to her. And the more power to her, the more power to our sport.

persefne
Jan. 19, 2006, 09:38 AM
Barnfairy -- I want to jump the Vogue!!! You are hilarious and both your "possible course" posts have me in stiches. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif I second the suggestion of sending that to Horse and Hound. That's right up their alley (and I'm not sure even their clever writers could come up with something so inventive).

The more I think about this, the more I wonder what the heck her "changed" accent has to do with her ability to ride or event. Did I miss something on this?

Also, I admire her choice of seeking help from WF-P. I'm sure she said, "I want to do this right, so get me the best damned rider in England to teach me."
I bow down to them both.

Oh, and because someone asked, William Fox-Pitt's hyphenated surname (or "double-barreled name") is the result of the English tradition (for a number of years in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, I guess, in members of the British peerage) to combine paternal and maternal family names, all in the interest of continuing lineage/heritage/property. Hence the Parker-Bowles, Lloyd-Webbers, Rhys-Jones, Palmer-Tomkinsons, Spencer-Churchills, Fox-Pitts, and Duckworth-Chads of the world. According to Robert Croxton Whitney, "Double names are legitimate when property is represented that has descended through an heiress. It is right that the several generations who held the estate should be remembered in the name of the present proprietor. Such a double name is not irregular, for such have the warrant of a royal license."

Robby Johnson
Jan. 19, 2006, 10:11 AM
I heart persefne.

goobs
Jan. 19, 2006, 10:17 AM
Okay I have a question! Does this mean that she will allow people back onto her property? Remember she went to court to have access taken away from hikers, horseback riders, etc. when she bought the property and it really irked a lot of people?

If she is going to have this fab venue built I wonder if she will allow schooling and clinics? Of is she strictly building a 4 star course? I also hope she doesn't wind up like Christoper Reeves. As nice or mean as she might be perceived to be - most famous people have huge egos and want to be at the top not stuck in a level they might think beneath them (like BN or N).

persefne
Jan. 19, 2006, 10:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robby Johnson:
I heart persefne. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Right back at ya. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Glimmerglass
Jan. 19, 2006, 10:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by goobs:
Okay I have a question! Does this mean that she will allow people back onto her property? Remember she went to court to have access taken away from hikers, horseback riders, etc. when she bought the property and it really irked a lot of people? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The private estate has been open to shooting (for a fee) all along and as I understand it was from that potential injury (and liability) to ramblers that they asked for the property to be cut-off. There was a partial ban on walkers as a result.

The estate has been all along open to Quakers (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/3651708.stm) who make a pilgramage to the burial grounds on the lands http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

That said, I doubt she is going to make this any more public then say Jacqueline Mars’ private Stonehall Farm in The Plains, VA.

Reynard Ridge
Jan. 19, 2006, 10:48 AM
Barnfairy, this is a freebie to add to the list that you must send to Horse and Hound.

Crazy for Ewe

Sheep Pen, natch.

Free, of course, because it is so tragically bad. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Giddyup2
Jan. 19, 2006, 10:55 AM
Well....the way she reinvents herself every 30 days I don't see her sticking with this for very long. I totally agree that when she focuses on something she gives it her all but...it is never for very long. Sorry, but I see this never coming to fruition or just starting and then dying in a very short time.

I also don't really see her name as being a huge draw either. Christopher Reeves is/was a huge name and that did not put eventing into the main stream of sports on TV (or anywhere)...until his terrible accident.

goobs
Jan. 19, 2006, 11:08 AM
Okay so if she isn't going to make her course any more public than JM's et al - then how will that contribute to her name as being a huge draw or a plus for eventing/eventers?

I am just having a hard time imagining Madonna at an event - I see her more as someone who wants to learn how to ride as a pleasurable hobby. With her fame and schedule it's hard to imagine she would have the time to commit to something like eventing as a competitive sport.

Jerry Seinfeld had a huge baseball diamond placed on his estate but that didn't mean that the sport of baseball would gain more coverage than it already has.

Sannois
Jan. 19, 2006, 11:40 AM
OK So we lighten this us alot!
What will she name her first eventer???
Lucky star??? Material Girl?? , Like a Virgin would be good for her first event! Yup I am old and remember her in all her 80s glory! I liked her better then than I do now!
OK Those are all mares names!
Umm I have to go drag out an old tape, I cant remember anymore. Oh she could name a gelding Preacher (Papa dont preach) Anyone else??? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Perfect Pony
Jan. 19, 2006, 12:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by goobs:
Okay so if she isn't going to make her course any more public than JM's et al - then how will that contribute to her name as being a huge draw or a plus for eventing/eventers?

I am just having a hard time imagining Madonna at an event - I see her more as someone who wants to learn how to ride as a pleasurable hobby. With her fame and schedule it's hard to imagine she would have the time to commit to something like eventing as a competitive sport.

Jerry Seinfeld had a huge baseball diamond placed on his estate but that didn't mean that the sport of baseball would gain more coverage than it already has. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was thinking about this last night actually. I guess what bugs me and makes me not thrilled (besides not really "liking" her), is that I see all this as her desperate way to try to enter "society". But the fact is she can't. She can pretend, and she can buy her way into the parties, and fake her accent, but the whole thing seems a bit sad.

ANYWAY, to make this a positive post, here are some things she could do that I think would bnefit the sport and would gain my respect.

Use her millions to buy up public property in the USA, donating it to various non-profit riding clubs, building wonderful public courses.

Sponsor a few dozen of our most promising young riders. Buy horses, pay entry fees, help with the day to day expenses

Start a TB retirement farm in conjunction with CANTER. Employ some lovely riders to help ride/train and find ex-racers new homes

Sponsor the US Eventing teams. Buy horses for some of the best professionals, sponsor clinics and training camps, continue to help make the US eventing teams the best in the world.

Start a foundation to revamp our existing public XC courses

Offer scholorships to promising young riders so that THEY can train with William Fox-Pitt

Anyway, those are a few off the top of my head. I just personally don't see how Madonna (or is it Ester? Or maybe Madge?) wearing Burberry, building a course on her estate, buying lessons from Olympians, and holding parties helps the image of the sport. Then again, I left the H/J world because I was sick of the fabulousness of it all. I guess you all want eventing to follow suit... Bummer when we are all priced out of this sport as well.

joliemom
Jan. 19, 2006, 12:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">ANYWAY, to make this a positive post, here are some things she could do that I think would bnefit the sport and would gain my respect. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Damn! Even Jacqueline Mars, with more money than - well Madonna - couldn't do all that.

Just between you n' me, did Madonna buy a horse out from under you? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

bovon
Jan. 19, 2006, 12:26 PM
Perfect Pony said it all.. I agree!!

mohawkrider
Jan. 19, 2006, 12:27 PM
I am going to have "Material Girl" in my head all day after reading this entire thread!!

Robby Johnson
Jan. 19, 2006, 12:27 PM
It would also be nice if John Mellencamp, Bruce Springsteen, Linda Blair, Carson Kressly, Insert Famous Rich Name Here, did that with their money as well. Do I assume you don't respect them either?

Or, like, we could suggest to George W. Bush that he spread a little of his family wealth amongst the poor, the unemployed, the uneducated.

Point is, there are a lot of things people with money could do to make the world better. They don't, because in the end, they lose their money. As a general rule, people with money LIKE their money, and they intend to keep it. Asking a really wealthy, "old-money" family for money is downright embarrassing. I have never seen so much chintz in my life.

Society and class systems have existed since the beginning of time. So ridiculous is the idea of society, to me, as of course subsequent members of "society" have earned their place by luck of the genetic draw. I personally would rather be smart, ambitious, attractive and fun as opposed to homely, apathetic and devoid of a grasp on reality, like many of the "elite" are.

This hasn't stopped people from buying their way "in" over the years. But, ask yourself this question, does social position really matter, when you're gone? I don't think so. But is a cross-country course here when you're gone? If it doesn't rot away, yes!

Robby

Perfect Pony
Jan. 19, 2006, 12:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robby Johnson:
It would also be nice if John Mellencamp, Bruce Springsteen, Linda Blair, Carson Kressly, Insert Famous Rich Name Here, did that with their money as well. Do I assume you don't respect them either?

Or, like, we could suggest to George W. Bush that he spread a little of his family wealth amongst the poor, the unemployed, the uneducated.

Point is, there are a lot of things people with money could do to make the world better. They don't, because in the end, they lose their money. As a general rule, people with money LIKE their money, and they intend to keep it. Asking a really wealthy, "old-money" family for money is downright embarrassing. I have never seen so much chintz in my life.

Society and class systems have existed since the beginning of time. So ridiculous is the idea of society, to me, as of course subsequent members of "society" have earned their place by luck of the genetic draw. I personally would rather be smart, ambitious, attractive and fun as opposed to homely, apathetic and devoid of a grasp on reality, like many of the "elite" are.

This hasn't stopped people from buying their way "in" over the years. But, ask yourself this question, does social position really matter, when you're gone? I don't think so. But is a cross-country course here when you're gone? If it doesn't rot away, yes!

Robby </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually no, I don't respect people with millions or billions of dollars that don't give it away. I don't know what all the people on your list do or don't do - but no, I do not respect George Bush, and I personally think that not only is he NOT spreading the wealth, but he is robbing this country of all our money.

Some people I do respect? Bill Gates, who has given away 6 billion dollars in the last 5 years and plans to leave little of his fortune to his children because he doesn't think it would be good for them...

Oprah Winfry, who proves that one can both enjoy their money, and spend millions helping individuals. She personally sponsors dozens of students every year at college, and puts her own money on the line every day to make the world better.

I too think "society" is ridiculous. So much so that I find it sad when one feels so desperately the need to buy their way in. I went to a very prestigeous university in the UK, and I know for a fact that one can't really buy their way in at all. Once the fame or the money is gone you find you have no friends, because you never did in the first place. That is what I find sad. I thumb my nose at the whole system, and I do not have respect for one who worships and craves it as I believe she does.

Why are you talking to me again btw, I thought we broke up after you ordered me to stop talking to you?

Robby Johnson
Jan. 19, 2006, 12:47 PM
As a Kabbalahist, it is my duty to guide you toward The Light. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Coreene
Jan. 19, 2006, 01:05 PM
Rhys-Jones, Sophie's pa, actually started out as plain ol' Mr. Jones and added the Rhys part himself.

Ruth0552
Jan. 19, 2006, 01:38 PM
I have to agree with Perfect Pony about there being better ways for her to support the industry aside from just her glamorous presence.

I have nothing against Madonna, and frankly I think she has been somewhat of a pathfinder in the women's movement to equality. In 50 years when we look back at woman of the past century, I would imagine that Madonna will certainly be mentioned.

My major concern is that she will spark an interest in eventing by the rich and dumb, who will then go out and buy expensive horses for their children, who can then not ride said horse b/c it is only 3 and child is 4, etc. Could result in lots of unwanted/neglected/etc. animals. That is, if she does well. If she falls off and breaks her neck, then a whole hoard of mothers will subsequently disenroll their pony toting daughters from lessons and re-enroll them in ballet (not that there is anything wrong with ballet).

I would rather see support for eventing becoming more available to the rest of us, instead of more elicity (is that even a word?) in the sport. I know I for one, will never have the money/resources to take lessons from W F-P.

Just my $.02.

Barnfairy
Jan. 19, 2006, 01:42 PM
Tweeeet! Time out!

I have added the following to the immaculate collection of obstacles, if you will:

Swept Away (brush)

La Isla Bonita (bank within the water complex)

Pippa Don't Preach (some sort of ditch, I think)

Desperately Seeking Salmon (trout hatchery)

Also, I have changed the serpent fence from the Broken Wrist to the Broken Clavicle, for accuracy. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Now, can anyone tell me, who at Horse & Hound should I go about sending this to?

circusponydreams
Jan. 19, 2006, 01:58 PM
Barnfairy, you got me with "Pippa Don't Preach." Amazing!

Also, I'm not all that worried about eventing being taken over by the rich and the dumb. First off, all of them are in Hunterland already http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif, and eventing takes way more time, energy and dedication, even at the lowest levels, than most kids' activities.

Alexsmom
Jan. 19, 2006, 02:21 PM
i really dont see why people are taking madonnas interest in eventing so personally. its her money, her land and she should be allowed to do with it what she wants with it. how do any of us know exactly what she does and doesnt do with her money and why is it any of our business.

hey101
Jan. 19, 2006, 02:28 PM
Pippa Don't Preach is my favorite too! Although La Isla Bonita and Desparately Seeking Salmon tie for a close second.

Geesh people, lighten up already. Are you guys the same folks who complain that there is not enough sponsorship/ interest/ money in eventing? Like her or not, she is FAMOUS on a world-wide scale outside of the horse world. I guarantee that no one not connected to horses (or maybe I should even narrow that to eventing) has even heard of William Fox-Pitt. But Madonna? Damn right they've heard of her. And if she's going to spend her millions on building top courses, buying top horses, bringing publicity to our lil' ol' sport, well that is just awesome. And I still think she's super-cool. Whats wrong with learning new things and expandnig your knowledge and experience base, whether it's sports, politics, traveling, religion. Quit being so damn self-righteous and judgemental.

And good for her for learning to ride and hopefully getting out to compete. I get excited enough when I happen to be in the same division as an Olympic rider (and once or twice I"ve even beaten them, albeit they are on a greenie and I"m on my seasoned campaigner). I'd be a hundred times more excited to be in the same division as Madonna, especially if I beat her! The same way I felt when I found out that Al Gore and Oprah Winfrey did the Marine Corps Marathon the same year I did and I beat the crap out of both of them. Hey, the way I figure it, these folks are super-rich and super-famous so I have to hold my one little moment of triumph over them close to my heart. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Aggie4Bar
Jan. 19, 2006, 02:41 PM
For me, just the mental image of Madonna trying to get around any phase of eventing is hilarious. I can't quite put my finger on why it's so funny, but it is. Here's hoping she'll Live To Tell. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JSwan
Jan. 19, 2006, 05:53 PM
Had to visit since there was no foxhunting today - very funny about the names of the fences.

I guess there's a little crow in all of us - even the most jaded can get a little silly when one of the super wealthy condescend to descend from the lofty tower to rub elbows with the hoi polloi.

Aww hell - who am I kidding. If I was rich I'd be calling up WFP for lessons too - and I'd build my own xc course instead of making funky jumps out of logs and hay bales in my pastures. If that's how she wants to spend her money - that's fine. She doesn't owe anybody anything - and I've got more important things to worry about.

But from what very little I've read - seems like the lady just reinvents herself when she gets bored. Don't be too disappointed if she abandons eventing and takes up underwater basket weaving instead.

Vandy
Jan. 19, 2006, 05:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by persefne:
Oh, and because someone asked, William Fox-Pitt's hyphenated surname (or "double-barreled name") is the result of the English tradition (for a number of years in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, I guess, in members of the British peerage) to combine paternal and maternal family names, all in the interest of continuing lineage/heritage/property. Hence the Parker-Bowles, Lloyd-Webbers, Rhys-Jones, Palmer-Tomkinsons, Spencer-Churchills, Fox-Pitts, and Duckworth-Chads of the world. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I ask this in all sincerity, but what happens when a Palmer-Tomlinson marries a Spencer-Churchill? Because the result could be quite a mouthful...

Anyway, I am not an eventer, but I think it's wonderful that a high-profile person is enjoying an equestrian sport. It's interesting to me that there have always been number of "celebrities" involved in H/J, but they tend to be quiet and more behind-the-scenes...I can see Madonna's participation being much more visible, and I think that's really cool. And we all know that beginners are beginners are beginners...even with the guidance of a Fox-Pitt and expensive ponies, riding is, after all, the sport that humbles kings. I am looking forward to seeing Madonna progress.

Oh, and http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif at Desperately Seeking Salmon - brilliant!

cardicorgi
Jan. 19, 2006, 05:57 PM
OMG Barnfairy that is coffee-spewingly hilarious, holy crap!

I think Desperately Seeking Salmon (trout hatchery)is my favorite. Or maybe it's Get into the Grave?

Brilliant.

joliemom
Jan. 19, 2006, 05:59 PM
So, I've been thinking about how to adress the issue of celebrities who want to event, and think I've found a solution.

Okay, Madonna, Oprah, and Martha (Stewart) - yawl give money to young riders and, um, buy lots of land for large xc courses that we can all school when 'er the mood hits. Thanks and here's your USEA card.

Now, for you B-list celebrities, don't think we DONT'T have a program for you, poppets (that's Brit slang, sweetie darling). You need a USEA card? You need a career? We'll graciously supply both with our new Fox reality show -


Celebrity Eventing!!!!

This season's celebs include:

Cyndi Lauper! Back from her successful Atlantic City run at Trump's Taj Mahal, Madonna's original competitor! She just wants to (wait for it) EVENT!!!!!

Lisa Bonet! Her career ended soon after that dreadful love scene with Mickey Rourke in Angel Heart. But she's back and ready to enter at A and not exit until she's saluted at X and exited at C.

Corey Feldman! We swear, he's done stuff since, um, Stand By Me, but we can't remember what. So, hang on, buddy!

And last but not least, MIKE SCORE (http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~rsa/flock.of.seagulls.jpg) - the lead singer of Flock of Seagulls! THE hair-do guy of the 80s! Why? Because Joliemom says so!

These 4 b-list celebs will ride whoever Ralph Hill decides is unsafe for him to ride. And train with whoever has the insurance policy. Whoever wins/survives, gains their card - oh - and a 5 night gig at Lonestar Bar n' Grill just off the Melonville Pike in Melonville.

One Star
Jan. 19, 2006, 06:09 PM
joliemom, just a super fabulous idea! If skating pros can teach celebrities to skate and perform a short program on a reality TV show, then anything's possible with the Lords of the Dark Side...

But I think that each of the B-list celebrities (really though, I think Corey Feldman belongs on a C-list http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) needs his/her own eventing coach. Darren for Cyndi Lauper, Bruce for Lisa Bonet, Ralph for Corey Feldman, and Stuart for Mike Score. And not only do they have to compete, they also have to perform a musical pas de deux or drill team maneuver WITH the coach!

Whaddya think?

Kap
Jan. 19, 2006, 06:11 PM
joliemom: hilarious! I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes a new reality show sometime in the future. It seems like they can make a reality series out of pretty much anything these days. I'm sure VH1 or MTV will snatch it up, add some sex scenes, stage some catty name-calling and beefing, and then release it for our viewing pleasure.

joliemom
Jan. 19, 2006, 06:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Whaddya think? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm down wid it. Have your people call my people, we'll do lunch!

persefne
Jan. 19, 2006, 08:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by joliemom:
sweetie darling </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OMG...joliemom just became my next favoritest (after Robby, of course) poster on these forums! She has actually quoted Edina Monsoon in the context of 3-day eventing. Awesome. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

persefne
Jan. 19, 2006, 08:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Coreene:
Rhys-Jones, Sophie's pa, actually started out as plain ol' Mr. Jones and added the Rhys part himself. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not true. That was a rumor that went around back when she was engaged to Edward to "justify" her "common" rise to royalty. Sophie's father was Christopher Bournes Rhys-Jones (b. 1931), who was the son of Theophilius Rhys-Jones. The Bournes Rhys-Jones name was taken at the turn of the 20th century when Sophie's grandparents married. So, the Rhys-Jones lineage existed at least in the early 1900's, if not before. Or, so says Burke's Peerage. I'd trust that before I'd put much faith in popular English wive's tails. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Kap
Jan. 19, 2006, 08:21 PM
My awe for you is growing, persefne. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bensmom
Jan. 19, 2006, 09:35 PM
Mine too, Kap.

I am seriously impressed.

But, no one has yet answered the burning question posted above that I wondered about as well -- what happens if two of the landed gentry marry each other? How do you decide which of four names goes or stays? Maybe it is one of those things that just isn't done?

joliemom -- you made my night. Even made having to go back to the office in between stall cleanings worth it. You amused even those you wouldn't expect to have seen it http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Mostly this thread sent me scurrying to itunes to download a few songs that I hadn't thought to get before. Now my ipod includes Madonna, so I guess that is something http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Libby (I'm not sure what, but something)

Oh, and as for what Corey Feldman has done since Stand By Me:

Puppet Master v. Demonic Toys (2004) (TV)
"Super Robot Monkey Team Hyperforce Go!" (2004) TV Series (voice)
No Witness (2001)
Serial Killing 4 Dummys(2004)
The Birthday (2004)
Bikini Bandits (2002) (V)
My Life as a Troll (2001)

and so forth.

My guess is that his people will be DELIGHTED to hear from your people. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Beezer
Jan. 19, 2006, 10:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Glimmerglass:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by persefne:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Glimmerglass:
Lets not forget that Zara Phillips' success from hard work, her attractive looks, and youth ads a lot to the sport's coverage and continued interest in the UK.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I try to keep this in mind, always, but when I tell a non-horsey/no-clue-about-eventing colleague that "it's the sport that Zara Phillip's rides in," I get a blank look. Who? Then, I have to say, "the daughter of Princess Anne, who also rode in eventing..." and, by that point, said colleague has glazed eyes and drool dripping from his/her lower lip. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just show him a photo of her (http://zaraphillips.sexysportschicks.com/zaraphotos.html) as no red blooded American male could say she isn't good looking and lives a more thrilling life then just about any guy, too http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK, I couldn't resist. Had to look. She is indeed a beautiful young woman and obviously a skilled rider. But this photo: Yikes (http://zaraphillips.sexysportschicks.com/gallery/zaraphillips13.jpg) made me well, go YIKES. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

What **IS** it with the female British royals and their hats?? I swear, she looks like a giant, people-eating flower has swallowed her head!!

EasterEgg
Jan. 20, 2006, 02:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> What **IS** it with the female British royals and their hats?? I swear, she looks like a giant, people-eating flower has swallowed her head!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Beezer - I think that photo was taken on Ladies Day at Ascot - and believe me, that hat is conservative compared to what a lot of people wear:

Ladies Day (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2055655.stm)

jhodkin
Jan. 20, 2006, 05:49 AM
Whilst we're on the topic of multi-barreled names let's not forget our good friend Lucinda Green.

She started off life as Lucinda Prior-Palmer. When she married David Green she competed for many years under the name Lucinda Prior-Palmer-Green.... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Obviously after calculating how much ink she was wasting on signatures, she decided to drop the PP bit. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

LaddiePony
Jan. 20, 2006, 07:22 AM
PERSEFNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What IS all this about Robby and joliemom?!?!? *I* am supposed to be your "favoritest" poster!!!! I am deeply hurt and offended, and you are dangerously close to being UNinvited on the England trip to meet our boy Francis.

Because you know that trip is totally going to happen. It is! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Okay, back to the original topic. To this point, I have never been a fan of Madonna, but I can say that I have way more respect for her now; not just for taking up the sport, but for showing the devotion to build a cross-country course. No matter where in the world it is, another course/event venue is growth for the sport, and while we may prefer that it is over here, I personally am not complaining!

For another matter, I have always believed that what people choose to do with their money is their decision. They earned it (well, for the moment at least, I'll avoid the discussion of those who are born into money), and they don't owe me or anyone else anything. It is not up to us to decide how they should spend it; and in the case of Madonna, I could think of a lot worse ways for her to spend money than building a cross-country course. HELLO, we should be thanking her, not complaining about it.

Sure, I may wish I had the money and opportunity to go to England and ride with William Fox-Pitt, but I'm not going to be angry with Madonna because she is able to do so and I, at the moment, am not. (I would rather not be like the child at dinner the other night, throwing a fit because he wanted the red crayon, but his sister got it instead!!!!). If I want to train with William, I can earn the money to do it myself; I don't expect someone to fly me over there and pay for the training, even if they can afford it. It is not anyone's responsibility but my own to make that happen. Sure, Madonna would have more respect from me than she already does if she, for instance, sponsors some YRs, but I certainly don't expect everyone with money who gets into this sport to do that. Again, it comes down to their personal decisions and choices.

Okay, I'll stop running off at the mouth. Sorry if all of this has already been said, but I didn't read through this entire discussion. Oh, and by the way - the baby Phaye was very nearly named "Material Girl" before I thought of "Fashion Statement." Hehe. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

-Kelsey
*Laddy's girl forever!*

persefne
Jan. 20, 2006, 08:16 AM
Girl, I said "favoritest poster" not "favoritest sister." You factor in more in the "real world" than COTH, so don't go uninvitin' me so fast. By the way, we may have to bring Robby along to England. He finally sees the light regarding Mr. Whittington. A trip across the pond with Robby would be a delightful prospect.

For those of you who are just gobsmacked by this whole hyphenated surname thing, THIS is what you get when a "double-barrel" marries a "double-barrel": Isabella Anstruther-Gough-Calthorpe (and that's her maiden name). She is a former "girlfriend" of Prince William. Who knows what will happen to her moniker when she ties the knot!

persefne
Jan. 20, 2006, 08:27 AM
Oh, and those of you who are "in awe" of me...&lt;blush&gt; thank you! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'm just really good at research and useless trivia. Nothing more. That's why I currently reside in the wonderful world of academe.

Glimmerglass
Jan. 20, 2006, 08:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Beezer:
OK, I couldn't resist. Had to look. She is indeed a beautiful young woman and obviously a skilled rider. But this photo: Yikes (http://zaraphillips.sexysportschicks.com/gallery/zaraphillips13.jpg) made me well, go YIKES. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As EasterEgg stated indeed that was Zara at the opening day of the Ascot Races in 2004 (full outfit seen here) (http://sport.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/06/28/nroyal28.xml); The hat didn't get as much attention as the dress did, of which she remarked as follows:

Of the press attention generated by her clothing she said she had enjoyed the excitement and headlines when she appeared at Ascot last year in a dress slashed to the hip.

"I knew I was going to get attention but I didn't think it would be quite so much attention. It was cool. I thought: 'I like that dress. I want to wear it. I'm going to wear it'. And I really enjoyed wearing it. It was great fun."

I digress ...

persefne
Jan. 20, 2006, 08:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LaddiePony:
If I want to train with William, I can earn the money to do it myself; I don't expect someone to fly me over there and pay for the training, even if they can afford it. It is not anyone's responsibility but my own to make that happen. Sure, Madonna would have more respect from me than she already does if she, for instance, sponsors some YRs, but I certainly don't expect everyone with money who gets into this sport to do that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This, coming from one of our current YRs. I hope everyone is paying attention. At least one of us is living in the real world. Hopefully this will put to rest the notion that the $$$$ hounds need to pave the way for the YRs. Don't think for a second that they are wasting away without Madonna's support (British YRs or American). They're out there doing it for themselves. Madonna can do what she likes: she can take up eventing, she can quit eventing, she can spend her money however she likes...but our sport will not disintegrate based upon her involvment/lack of involvement. Her high-profile can bring much needed exposure, but if she falls, gets hurt, or just plain gets tired of it, it won't affect whether or not someone like LaddiePony goes to the VA CCI*. The only thing that can affect that is if LP decides to sit at home and wait for someone to "send" her to VA or to Ocala or wherever. And, I can tell you that LP ain't sitting at home waiting.

mjedge808
Jan. 20, 2006, 11:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
For those of you who are just gobsmacked by this whole hyphenated surname thing, THIS is what you get when a "double-barrel" marries a "double-barrel": Isabella Anstruther-Gough-Calthorpe (and that's her maiden name). She is a former "girlfriend" of Prince William. Who knows what will happen to her moniker when she ties the knot! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

if it was me, i would just go with Smith...

anyway, persefne, you're great! haha!

also, lest us all forget, for Celebrity Eventing, ABC has to develop the show first before FOX can steal it...(or CBS, or NBC, or the WB, or USA, or TBS, or......)

i think that if Madonna events, it would be nice to give back to the sport. maybe she will notice that eventing is not exactly a highly-sponsored sport, and also in danger in the future of being wiped off the Olympic map and maybe she will want to do something about it. i don't know, maybe she won't but maybe she will.

i guess we will all find out.

also, i can't recall who mentioned him, but Bruce Springsteen's daughter Jessica already does hunters and has done very well ('04 Washington Intl she placed very very well, i think 1st or 2nd). Rumor (i know, i know, rumors are not good, but here goes) has it that the Boss just bought his daughter an eventer in PA, but she won't be eventing it.

maybe we should all start a letter writing campaign! [to convince her to event] really though, i appreciate that celebrities get so much attention and are put on such high pedestals but they can participate in sports like ours without a lot of grief (at least some can). Even the Princess of Jordan is a noted jumper rider!

and to those who poo-poo the wealthy for not sharing...if shared ALL the wealth, it would be called communism (great on paper, not so much in real life). *NOTE-the previous sentence was said tongue-in-cheek; no PM or rantings please*

do i wish some of them (as with the Madonna-type) were helping fellow man a little more? sure! but let's be honest with ourselves.....helping people and sponsoring a horse sport are two different things. a horse sport is a SPORT and yes, for some, a living, but it is still a luxury item by definition. i mean, we need food and clothes, but we could survive without eventing (but not without our horses!)

just getting that all off my chest. i think i am done now.

happy trails!

Reynard Ridge
Jan. 20, 2006, 01:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">what happens if two of the landed gentry marry </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Somebody help me out with this, but isn't there a Cox-Cox who rides in England?

I did a quick google but couldn't find them. But I am pretty sure there is someone out there who's ancestor felt the need to maintain their surname, despite the fact that they were marrying into a family with the same surname.

Or perhaps we should just set persefne on the task and see what happens. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Robby Johnson
Jan. 20, 2006, 02:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Glimmerglass:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Beezer:
OK, I couldn't resist. Had to look. She is indeed a beautiful young woman and obviously a skilled rider. But this photo: Yikes (http://zaraphillips.sexysportschicks.com/gallery/zaraphillips13.jpg) made me well, go YIKES. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for posting that. I think the outfit is H to the O to the TT!

persefne
Jan. 20, 2006, 05:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Reynard Ridge:
Or perhaps we should just set persefne on the task and see what happens. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was a worthy task, RR, but -- alas -- I have no clue. You could always search registered riders with BE (www.britisheventing.com). Maybe jhodkin or kookiecat would be better equipped to help in this situation! But, do not lose faith in me...next time you have an intriguing querey, I'm on the case. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

LaddiePony
Jan. 21, 2006, 06:00 AM
Thanks very much, persefne. I love you again, sis!!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

By the way, Robby - you must come with us!!! How fun would that be?!?! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

-Kelsey
*Laddy's girl forever!*

Gryhrs
Jan. 21, 2006, 10:50 AM
Madonna may be a brilliant pop icon...have the best horses....best trainers....and her very own XC course....yadiyada.....but..DOES SHE PUT HER OWN STUDS IN???

One Star
Jan. 23, 2006, 05:36 AM
No, Madonna's studs put themselves in...

Robby Johnson
Jan. 23, 2006, 07:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by one_star_or_bust:
No, Madonna's studs put themselves in... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ladies and gentlemen, one_star_or_bust ...

(Applause, Whooping and Hollering)

Well done, sister. Well done.

Robby

One Star
Jan. 23, 2006, 09:28 PM
Aw, shucks Robby. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Jazzy Lady
Jan. 23, 2006, 09:59 PM
I'm just going to go around and agree with Robby on everything... seems to always word things the way they ought to be http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Kap
Jan. 23, 2006, 10:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jazzy Lady:
I'm just going to go around and agree with Robby on everything... seems to always word things the way they ought to be http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What in ignorant statement. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Don't you know that **I** know best about everything, and that my opinion is always right? I AM, after all, a teenager. We're so much wiser than everyone else.

eventable
Jan. 23, 2006, 10:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by one_star_or_bust:
No, Madonna's studs put themselves in... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Double snort.

snickerdoodle
Apr. 9, 2009, 10:09 PM
Does anyone know if madonna eventing in the US?

Who is coaching her?

Is she living on the East coast or will she be going to the West.

snoopy
Apr. 9, 2009, 11:28 PM
Does anyone know if madonna eventing in the US?

Who is coaching her?

Is she living on the East coast or will she be going to the West.


Contact her publicist, liz rosenberg, on 212 275 4616 or email her at Liz.Rosenberg@wbr.com. She is very good about answering queries related to Madonna.

BaroquePony
Apr. 9, 2009, 11:55 PM
Madonna is so athletic and such a type A personality, if she sets her mind to doing eventing in good form she should be a blast to follow. Just my two cents :winkgrin:

Snapdragon
Apr. 10, 2009, 12:14 AM
Contact her publicist, liz rosenberg, on 212 275 4616 or email her at Liz.Rosenberg@wbr.com. She is very good about answering queries related to Madonna.

You completely crack me up! Who don't you know?:winkgrin:

Gryhrs
Apr. 10, 2009, 08:32 AM
Is she living on the East coast or will she be going to the West.


Or, God forbid, somewhere in the godforsaken middle?????????? I would love to go to a competitor party with her!!!

riderboy
Apr. 10, 2009, 08:52 AM
Yes; she would never live somewhere non-horsey like say, LEXINGTON!! Oh well, to a lot of those people we are just flyover country.

snoopy
Apr. 10, 2009, 10:44 AM
You completely crack me up! Who don't you know?:winkgrin:


I don't know YOU!;):lol:

roki143
Apr. 10, 2009, 11:32 AM
Secretly, Snoops may be Madonna -- the equestrian persona is a cover-up, doncha know!

JER
Apr. 10, 2009, 11:37 AM
Seriously guys, Madonna will do anything to get snoopy's attention.

snoopy
Apr. 10, 2009, 11:59 AM
Seriously guys, Madonna will do anything to get snoopy's attention.



Not only has she taken up eventing to be around me, she even offered to host an event on her property!!! Seriously I would have settled for front row tickets and dinner afterwards. She is a stalker that one.