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Equibrit

Sep. 9, 2005, 06:06 PM

From H&H

Calling all hunt supporters

Anna Tyzack

September 9, 2005

Felix the Fox invites you to show your support for the hunting cause at ‘A Night with Felix’

Having made guest appearances at Chequers, Henley, CLA Game Fair and the top of Mount Everest, the time has come for Felix the Fox, chairman of FightTheBan, to hold his own high-profile event. A party in London on Wednesday 21 September, hosted by Felix himself, is destined to be a rip-roaring occasion.

Felix aims to keep hunting in the public spotlight and with the support of his followers, prove to this government that thousands of British people will never accept the Hunting Act. According to Felix, his followers represent “the rural underbelly of this country who will not lie down and accept the Hunting Act”.

Felix's notorious symbols of rural defiance, the yellow 'Fight the Ban' stickers have gone round Burghley on William Fox-Pitt's riding hat and Cheltenham racecourse on the skull caps of National Hunt Jockeys.

Tickets for 'A Night with Felix' at Digress City, 1 Ropemaker St cost £10 per person. Visit: http://www.fighttheban.com/picts/FelixLondonParty.pdf to download your invitation.

Equibrit

Sep. 9, 2005, 06:06 PM

Big Fred

Sep. 10, 2005, 03:09 AM

You're not going to like me one little bit Equibrit, but here goes.

Great, so a self publicising fur clad individual runs around at various events, popping up here and there, fantastic. Is Foxhunting still banned in England? Yep http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif. Will foxhunting continue to be banned in England? Yep http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif. The "rural underbelly" has lain down, because it no longer owns the power base http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

Felix's "notorious symbols of rural defiance" (whatever that means) are..........tell me again? Oh yes, stickers! I can see Tony pooing his pants right now............."ooh Cherrie pass me a new pair of M&S Y fronts dear, I've just seen a Fight the Ban sticker and made a mess of myself" Why doesn't everyone ramp it right up and blow raspberries at him.....I'm sure he'll resign immediately http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

I've hunted for years, and kicked the crap out of a good number of anti's in my time, but the CA or what ever organisation is trying to stop a ban that's already in place, need to take a reality check and concentrate on shooting. That'll go next, and not without a good (though illegal) level of bloodshed (real not political). I can't imagine Lord Snottersby being too impressed with anti's on his land, and through the haze which was this morning no protein, no carb, totally liquid breakfast, he'll be taking aim and loosing off a couple of rounds "just to see the blighter off".

Marx always claimed that the revolution should have taken place in London, but we were all too polite. I reckon it's time to prove him wrong.

It really is truly over and done with Equibrit, huntings gone (try France........food's good), and all the time the electoral boundaries remain, the Tories will never get in, you must have seen the statistics in the last election? They don't stand a chance for at least another 15 years and foxhunting will become just a pretty scene on a beer tap at your local.......very sad, sickeningly awful, but a clear sign of the direction the old mother country is going (actually, it's already gone). Sorry (it might not sound it but I am on your side) http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

STF

Sep. 10, 2005, 10:21 AM

Big Fred, what is your personal problem with EquiBrit??? You have attacked her in several threads I have read so far....is there a reason for this?

Big Fred

Sep. 10, 2005, 10:50 AM

could you go back through this thread and quote me the personal attack please? I'm lost.

Equibrit

Sep. 10, 2005, 11:25 AM

I would suggest you address your venom to Ms Tyzack. I'm really not interested.

Tantivy

Sep. 10, 2005, 01:00 PM

STF, would you please be so kind as to enlighten me as to exactly where in the earlier post Big Fred personally attacked Equibrit? I reread it twice and I must be blind, but I did not see where he in the LEAST "attacked" her (or Mrs. T) as you claim. I have not read any of his earlier posts so I am unaware of earlier attacks against Equibrit, but maybe I am a dimmer lightbulb than I like to admit.

BF, thank you for your honesty. While I do not like to belittle the efforts of the Felix supporters, I tend to prefer brutal honesty and being realistic and you, I believe, have sadly hit it on the head but as you are aware, many people prefer to stick their heads in the sand.

It is frustrating when those who are truthful and honest (read, REALISTS) are accused of being pessimists.

Again, thanks for an honest assessment and leaving the rose coloured glasses at home.

It was a breath of fresh air.

Equibrit

Sep. 10, 2005, 01:21 PM

So - how do you feel about this Tantivy?

Big Fred
Training Level
Posted Sep. 10, 2005 04:22 AM

Hilarious, America the home of bad spelling and bad town planning

This section of the forum is indicative of the attitude displayed on billions of TV screens across the world every day at the moment(are you confident that everyone is feeling sorry for you?). When you're not attacking other countries for their assets and rebuild contracts, you're killing each other in the streets for a pair of nike's and looting shops for a snickers bar.

You're nothing but a confirmation of stereotype

Posts: 17 | Registered: Sep. 09, 2005

J Swan

Sep. 10, 2005, 02:12 PM

I think the fight is only over when you give up. I think Big Fred has given up.

Equibrit hasn't. I haven't either however I am too ignorant about UK policy and law to make heads or tails of the rationale behind the ban.

So what's the next step? Is the ban still being litigated? If Tony Blair gets the boot (hopefully a riding boot), how will the political climate change - and could this be a positive step to reinstate hunting?

Equibrit

Sep. 10, 2005, 03:07 PM

Boot Blair = Go hunting! (as it used to be)

J Swan

Sep. 11, 2005, 03:16 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Boot Blair = Go hunting! (as it used to be) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hope it will be that simple.

During this inane fight, I couldn't help but wonder if British subjects were as embarrassed at their gov't antics as US citizens get when our gov't gets into pissing contests.

xeroxchick

Sep. 11, 2005, 05:16 AM

Hoi Polloi means the masses.

Equibrit

Sep. 11, 2005, 07:00 AM

Majority does rule - that means if Blair gets the boot and there is a conservative Government (a majority!) hunting as we prefer it will be back. That "big powerful entity" would be the Government.

Big Fred

Sep. 11, 2005, 08:45 AM

Equibrit, the post wasn't aimed at you, get over yourself.

STF, you haven't got back to me about the personal attacks on Equibrit yet? I think there are now two of us waiting for your response. If you're refering to a (that's one not some)thread on the dressage forum, nothing personal was aimed at Equibrit either (I was very specific as who the recipient of that blast was), unless, again, you can quote me.

So to the point in hand, J Swan, you should read "The art of war"...."if you know your enemy to be greater than you........" You can't beat a government like the Blair administration, once they've decided you're for the chop. I haven't given up, there was no fight, the decision was already made. They were never going to listen to 400,000 people about foxhunting, in the same way as they were never going to listen 1,000,000 protesting against the Iraq war. By the way, do you actually know anyone who will admit to voting Bush in for his second term?

Could Equibrit explain how hunting can proclaim itself as a NON elitist past time, whilst at the same time using phrases such as "the great unwashed". That was precisely the problem, too many snotty lucky-sperm-clubbers looking down their noses at people less fortunate than themselves. When, in fact, is was the "less fortunates" who made up the larger number of supporters in meet day. At the same time as losing touch with the real world, the Toads of Toad Hall (both actual and aspiring) lost touch with their power base....the real people.....Brilliant! I guess on that basis, and as a self made man, you'd have some witty pigeon hole for me, like "nouveau" or "NOCD" or "non-PLU" or something equally condescending. Was it any wonder, that the whole shooting match ended up as a class war?

The fight now has crumbled into the ashes of "host-a-roast" parties, which are nothing more than a competition to get your photo into Horse and Hound. Millions of pounds have been poured into the coffers of the CA and other clueless organisations, so were/are so far removed from what truly counts as a real world, and what have they produced/won/created? Heavily wetted faces from having pissed in the wind for five years. Now the last line of defence (in a war that was lost a long time ago) are bumper stickers............genious

For the record, I currently enjoy hunting a 10,000 hectare (25,000 acre) forest twice a week for stag and wild boar.............where? Well if you're nice to me you might get an invitation (horses included).

Equibrit

Sep. 11, 2005, 09:01 AM

"Fred"

I'm really not interested in that rather large chip on your shoulder.

Big Fred

Sep. 11, 2005, 09:08 AM

Oh....great comeback, guess you lost this one. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Equibrit

Sep. 11, 2005, 09:27 AM

No - just a chronic waste of time.

J Swan

Sep. 11, 2005, 10:45 AM

I've read The Art of War.

And I hope Big Fred is wrong.

I voted for Bush - 1st and 2nd term.

The choices were abysmal.

Well - all I can say is that I hope to hell y'all are ready for a fight here in the US. It won't be the same as the fight in the UK - but it doesn't matter.

Sometimes the minority needs to be protected from the majority.

Equibrit

Sep. 11, 2005, 10:57 AM

J Swan you're setting yourself up to get stalked by this troll. (ask Seigi b)

Big Fred
Training Level
Posted Sep. 10, 2005 10:18 AM
Hey Seigi

I knew it wouldn't take long before you crawled out out from under your rock, you just can't resist can you? I've really got under your skin, and you continue make enormous assumptions about my background, you bite every time. "my recommendation is to ignore his ignorant spoutings"...........hilarious, you can't even follow you own recommendations.

When the pot gets stirred the crap always rises to the top, and there you are every time!

Can you give me some advice on hosting keurings, then entering all my horses, then getting sters for all of them, thereby devaluing the entire kuering process with allegations (which you don't seem to know about) of a fix? If you were at all serious about your reputation, you should have put them into a keuring you weren't hosting.

Looking at some of the photos on your website, have you considered taking yourself OUT OF your own breeding program at all? stick to good motherlines and good stallions (that goes for humans as well)

I'll just sit back and watch the mushroom cloud over Waterford now. BOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMM!

Judging by the Psyco BS below, my work is done. By the way guys, remember to go back through your own posts on this thread, just remind yourselves how full of crap and venom you are. "we often accuse others of that which we do ourselves". DQ's so easy to wind up and let go!!!!!!

FYI, equi and brit shouldn't be seen in the same sentence, as, in the equestrian world they have no successful connection anymore.

This message has been edited. Last edited by: Big Fred, Sep. 10, 2005 12:04 PM

Big Fred

Sep. 11, 2005, 12:05 PM

Don't try to enlist J swan as an ally, just because you've been blown off this debate, having horribly revealed yourself with sentences like - "to keep the great unwashed supplied with recreational opportunites, and cheap housing" and "the ones that are affected; the ones that control the land". I guess equality doesn't enter your consciousness, whilst shining your firmly rammed silver spoon.

If all you have left is snide shots and proof of your ability to cut and paste, I suggest you withdraw with your tail between your legs.

And as staunch hunting supporter, could I ask that you don't associate yourself with the pro hunting lobby, as your type of snotty elitist attitude was exactly what turned the arguement into a class war and blew us all out of the water........thanks!

xeroxchick

Sep. 11, 2005, 12:45 PM

I usually have to visit the dressage forum for this kind of trash entertainment. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Big Fred

Sep. 11, 2005, 12:46 PM

We just peeed our pants laughing......you're absolutely right! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Equibrit

Sep. 11, 2005, 01:27 PM

I repeat;
"Fred"

I'm really not interested in that rather large chip on your shoulder.

J Swan

Sep. 11, 2005, 03:48 PM

Ha - me and Equibrit allies - hey Equibrit - STANDING MARTINGALES ARE A USEFUL TOOL FOR FOXHUNTING! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And I want my spoon back - cleaned this time.

Yep - we sound like a bunch of dressage queens. I wonder what my trainer (Herr Schmiterrinderschwung) will think.

Equibrit

Sep. 11, 2005, 04:39 PM

BTW J Swan
Thanks for the card!

(I don't think it was US xerox was referring to)

http://www.fighttheban.com/

STF

Sep. 11, 2005, 05:25 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">STF, would you please be so kind as to enlighten me as to exactly where in the earlier post Big Fred personally attacked Equibrit? I reread it twice and I must be blind, but I did not see where he in the LEAST "attacked" her (or Mrs. T) as you claim. I have not read any of his earlier posts so I am unaware of earlier attacks against Equibrit, but maybe I am a dimmer lightbulb than I like to admit. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, Ive been busy....
This is not the only thread that Big Fred has shown a very nasty side on and again, attacked EquiBrit there too for some reason. It seems he follows her to every thread she is on just to make some nasty/fighting comment. THATS ALL.....!!!

STF

Sep. 11, 2005, 05:28 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Big Fred
Training Level
Posted Sep. 10, 2005 04:22 AM

Hilarious, America the home of bad spelling and bad town planning

This section of the forum is indicative of the attitude displayed on billions of TV screens across the world every day at the moment(are you confident that everyone is feeling sorry for you?). When you're not attacking other countries for their assets and rebuild contracts, you're killing each other in the streets for a pair of nike's and looting shops for a snickers bar.

You're nothing but a confirmation of stereotype </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This was one made that was WAY out of line and horrible nasty.....

STF

Sep. 11, 2005, 05:29 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">usually have to visit the dressage forum for this kind of trash entertainment </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

Not all dressage people are like that....

STF

Sep. 11, 2005, 05:32 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I guess equality doesn't enter your consciousness, whilst shining your firmly rammed silver spoon. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Again....the nasty.....it seems to go on and on....

Big Fred you are known well on other BB's to be a total jerk. Maybe here at COTH you could try changing your ways a bit? Ya think? With statements like above, your Ahole rating is flying high....

Equibrit

Sep. 11, 2005, 06:16 PM

It's a mystery to me. I see I also have an imaginary persona!

Big Fred

Sep. 11, 2005, 10:21 PM

STF, if you're happy to support people who make statements like "sounds like a frenchmans attitude" and "to keep the great unwashed supplied with recreational opportunites and cheap housing", which are racist, elitist, and out of touch with a world that the majority wish to live in, then kick on. But be careful about your Ahole rating. You might not like what I have to say, or the way I say it, but I'm no racist.

Perhaps Equibrit, rather than avoiding the subject, could enlighten us all as exactly what she meant when she made these comments. Let's see if she's prepared to back that kind of talk up. I guarantee her next post will dodge this.

J Swan

Sep. 12, 2005, 02:29 AM

STF - Dressage people are A-ok folks. My best friend is a dressage person.

Dressage Queens are probably ok folks too. But I like to poke fun at them. They get so upset if their chip a nail or their horses one-tempis are not crisp enough.

I don't know what the deal is with Big Fred, but medication works wonders. Negative people are no fun to hang around with.

We're going to have the same fight in the US - it's already started - so though we may differ on the future of foxhunting in the UK - I hope to hell we don't make the same mistakes here.

Or nothing will be left but the horsey decor.

PonyFixer

Sep. 12, 2005, 04:23 AM

BF--I think the problem others on this board are having with you has more to do with tone than with content. While you didn't attack Equibrit personally in your first post here, you *did* really come out guns blazing with a pretty nasty retort.

You certainly have the right to disagree with anyone on this BB, but many of us don't savor the ugliness with which a few people here tender those arguements.

Feel free to point out inconsistencies or other view points to any of the discussions here. But please do it with more grace and tact. (And I define tact as the ability to tell someone to go to Hell and have them look forward to the trip....)

For the record, I'm not trying to pick on you (there are others on the BB as well), but I've been away from this board for 2 weeks, and have been blown away with the venomous aura with which you have been posting.

Just my $.02

Big Fred

Sep. 12, 2005, 04:59 AM

What mistakes were made by the pro hunting lobby in the UK? This is genuine question, to which there are probably no wrong answers. The pro hunting organisations got it dreadfully wrong, and the ban was passed.

STF

Sep. 12, 2005, 05:02 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">STF - Dressage people are A-ok folks. My best friend is a dressage person.

Dressage Queens are probably ok folks too. But I like to poke fun at them. They get so upset if their chip a nail or their horses one-tempis are not crisp enough. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well trust me when I say I loath going to shows. I LOVE dressage, but well....the atmosphere is not always the best. But in defense there ARE some very nice and good hearted people in the sport. I know ummmm, a couple.... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif I have friends who wont even show due to the sideline bullshit/gossip. And to be really honest, I think that is why I find other things to do as well these days.

But I honestly think its in every sport. I have yet to be able to do "hunting"....but would love to. Eventer seems to be the best overall, happy, supportive riders there are in the 3 disiplines I have played in.

Now Big Fred - ease up a bit. Get a drink. Relax. You really do come on super harsh and negative. Take a breath and relax or your going to get old before you time.

Tantivy

Sep. 12, 2005, 05:11 AM

Equibrit wrote:
So - how do you feel about this Tantivy?

Big Fred
When you're not attacking other countries for their assets and rebuild contracts, you're killing each other in the streets for a pair of nike's and looting shops for a snickers bar.

Eqibrit:

What do I think about it? He wrote nothing but the truth, that's what I think.

And what is your problem with that?

There is moe I could point out about what happened in NO, but I would get shot before I got home tonight.

Tantivy

Tantivy

Sep. 12, 2005, 05:19 AM

Ponyfixer wrote:

BF--I think the problem others on this board are having with you has more to do with tone than with content....many of us don't savor the ugliness with which a few people here tender those arguements.

PF, I agree with you BUT I have found myself too getting increasingly bitter about things like the ban. I daresay BF's "venom" is matched by the depth of his disgust for what is going on with the ban as well as a lot of situations around the world. Keep the bigger picture in mind.

J Swan

Sep. 12, 2005, 05:20 AM

I think the only mistake the pro hunting lobby made was underestimating their enemy.

That's all it takes to lose a war.

The details don't matter. Underestimate your enemy - and you're done.

Let's not make the same mistake in the US. Hunting groups need to band together on common issues, and pro hunting people need to understand which animal welfare groups they give their money to is actually going toward eliminating hunting.

Every horse person should be concerned about foxhunting in the US - as many of the anti hunting folks are also anti horse - in the sense that eventing is cruel, endurance is cruel, horses are not livestock, dressage is cruel - yatta yatta.

Animal rights groups are taking the fight to the state courts. This is a smart move on their part. Fundraising is directed at urban dwellers with disposable income and no idea of what nature is truly like. The closest they get is the local dog park or campground. They don't know where their food really comes from.

Then they start picking on folks in the country - the "rednecks" and "hillbillies" who wantonly dispose of their hunting dogs at the end of the season, keep their dogs in kennels, (god forbid pookum doesn't have an jeweled collar and heated dog bed), or worse - actually go out and shoot Bambi. (But then those same folks bitch when Bambi tries to cross the road and smashes into their Lexus - ruining the day trip in wine country). Guess it's ok to run over them and let them die slowly in a ditch - just not shoot them and eat the meat.

And PETA's and HSUS's wonderful cartoony free educational materials being disseminated in our classrooms - my favorite is PETA's - "Your Mommy is a Murderer" as she holds up a bloody knife and a dead bloody chicken. And cartoons of screaming cows running from a syringe. How's that for public education? Those cartoons are for kindergarten and 1st graders, folks.

And here in Virginia - again this legislative session - the Virginia Voters for Animal Welfare - funded by HSUS and PETA - is going to force a Humane Education Bill through the Assembly. So our kids will be coming home and calling their Mommy a murderer very soon.

Dressage queens, barrel racers and eventers, unite! What affects foxhunters will affect you as well.

Equibrit

Sep. 12, 2005, 07:33 AM

http://www.fighttheban.com

Many thanks for showing an interest in Felix.
Below is the backbone of Felix aims-wise, but as far as who we are - that's a
secret. The most important thing to realise is we are not asking people for
money through membership or bullying letters - it is a goodwill organsiation
founded by a group of enthusiastic young (27 - 35) who are fed up with
hearing grumbling from everybody about hunting. Therefore, if people want to
rant about hunting that's their choice but we don't want supporters who are
going to grumble about Felix. We are the only people in the country who,
since the ban and declaration, have actually stood up and said "Keep hunting"
(as on our logo) - it is simple, but no one else has even done that.
ABOUT FELIX
a)The aim of Felix is to keep the hunting issue alive and in national
conversation, and to ridicule the government through humourous publicity.
b)At the present time, we have no political agenda because we are simply
acting as a rallying call for all those who think hunting will be swept
under the carpet.
c)We want to maximixe the number of people who will be out hunting come
the start of the season (wearing Felix saddlecloths and badges hopefully).
d)Once we get to that time, we will see how the hunting around the country is
working out via Felix email feedback. We are not about repealing the hunting
ban, because it simply won't happen under this government, but we can learn
from the Felix Network that is in place, allowing those who wish to keep hunting
to be able to do so.
WHAT YOU CAN DO IN YOUR REGION
a)Buy some Felix merchandise and get the Felix logo out and about by
stickerblasting and making sure everybody is aware of the website
(this way you won't have to keep answering questions as there is so
much to see and read on the site - take a look for yourself)
b)Raise money for your local hunt by encouraging people to hold Felix parties
(Felix Merchandise can supply stuff to sell and lots of decorative stickers etc!)
c)spread the Felix word - get him out and about in your area - puppy
shows, county shows, stalls at local farmers markets, AMUSING stunts etc.
PLEASE stress that the most important aspect of Felix is the HUMOUR. This
is our way of approaching a very difficult battle - all other tactics have
failed, so we are aiming at pulling in average, unbiased Joe Public punters
through the amusement factor. Felix is a bit of a cheeky chap with a great
sense of humour (everybody likes to see the PM be made to look ridiculous) -
and hopefully by this method we can dissolve the notions of toffs on
horseback etc.

Big Fred

Sep. 12, 2005, 11:27 AM

Are you kidding me? What absolute gobshite!

a) the hunting issue is dead, and will never again become a part of "national" conversation, and ridicule? In who's opinion? Tony will find it as amusing as you do.

b) No political agenda? What???? Oh so just some self publicising stunts then. Great. The carpet has been rolled up and thrown out, starting doing something serious about shooting rather than pissing about with a dead subject.

c) Felix will have no influence on hunting numbers whatsoever. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

d) eeeerrr, hunting is allowed in a changed format. If your not about repealing the ban, what is the point in your existence please? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

a) aaaaahhhhhhh, now we get to the real point of this, buying merchandise, and the profit goes where exactly. And people who buy it will be able to..........oh yes look at other people who bought it, who will be hunting people, so we're preaching to the converted again then. History still not teaching us anything. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

b) hold a party........well never heard that one before, oh and sell felix merchandise at the same time (can anyone see where this is going yet?). Why not just sell a load of vibrators and saucy undies, surely that would at least be amusing!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

c) Sell felix kit through farmers markets etc etc. Guys (and the americans amongst you will have spotted this a mile away) this is nothing more than a pyramid sales ploy. At least this paragraph has one element of truth in it......."all other tactics have failed". The "Humour" part.......where?

Equibrit......."I guarantee her next post will avoid this".......................and her next no doubt.

Foxhunt4me

Sep. 12, 2005, 12:41 PM

What a riot !

I stay off the board for a while and it gets weird!

"Why not just sell a load of vibrators and saucy undies, "

I thought I was on alt.req.equestrian for a second.

Equibrit

Sep. 12, 2005, 02:23 PM

http://www.fighttheban.com

Felix the Fox and Fighttheban.com is a non-profit making organisation. All proceeds go back into producing marketing material to achieve the aims set out above. Should the Hunting Act be repealed and the organisation becomes defunct all proceeds will be given to recognised Hunting charities.

Erin

Sep. 12, 2005, 06:47 PM

Rule #1: Be nice, be respectful, be polite.

Those who cannot follow that rule will be banned from participating here.

And that goes for EVERYONE, but most especially posters who just joined in the last few days and already have about 30 posts to their credit in violation of rule #1.

Trakehner

Sep. 14, 2005, 04:23 AM

Amazing, people whose rights are taken away are mad and fighting back...how surprising.

The hunt banners pandered to the non-Brits, the class envyers and the city dwellers. Classic Labour gov. behaviour.

Lot's of immigrants who hate the culture, language and history of the country...they like the dole and will vote for anything that increases their payouts. These people come from a culture of "if I don't have it you shouldn't either".

Class envy..always a problem in GB. The city dwellers hate the "tofs" in the country, old-fashioned jealousy, again, a home-bred culture of "if I don't have it you shouldn't either" vs. "I'm going to have that one day".

City dwellers...like the US, the effete city dwellers hate the country, hate the "hicks and bumpkins", and generally look down their noses at anything that isn't big city. Lots of ignorant punks, welfare recipients and the people with an attitude of "if I don't like it then it's not important, therefore, anyone who does like it is somehow an idiot and I've got to stop their fun". The anti-smoking, anti-alcohol, anti-fun people love to kill others "lives" unless they match their own perverted life. Remember, Londoner's elected "Red Ken" for mayor..he's an avowed communist...great values in that city.

GB's gone socialist for 50 years now, the leftist hate success and people having fun...it gets in the way of "victimhood", which is how they get elected.

Remember, this is a nation's version of: Your family has had a farm for 100 years, you keep horses and have a great time. Slowly, all these city people buy lots around your farm. "The horses stink, they bring flies, it's dangerous for our children etc. etc. etc." Pretty soon, inspectors come out to make sure your water run-off is perfect, the manure pile is carefully inspected and you're told, "no more horses...it doesn't fit with our new community standards". It doesn't matter that your family has been here forever, the new people get to make the rules, since they're the majority and pay high taxes on their McMansions. This is happening everywhere now. City jerks want to live in "Horse Country", they just hate the horses and the lifestyle.

J Swan

Sep. 14, 2005, 04:52 AM

Trakehner - I agree with you - I've seen this just in the past couple of years in my own county.

Someone on this BB summed it up - they like nature until it craps in their front yard.

While in the US it may not be as much of a "class" thing at least not overtly, the result is the same.

My own mother is a perfect example. Moved from the city to Warrenton - main street Warrenton, and from the time she closed on the house she has complained about:

The rednecks
The hillbillies
The hunting dogs
The snakes
The smells
The hunters
The farmers
The slow tractors
The increasing traffic
The home building boom
How rednecks treat their dogs

Basically anyone that lives in the country is a redneck or hillbilly. Except her.

And how her daughter has turned into a redneck - as I was not "raised that way". And how an animal lover could foxhunt (she says this over a dinner of steak and potatoes)

What I've seen is a complete lack of respect for different cultures - which is amazing since in the city different cultures abound.

And an attitude of, "I don't like it so you can't do it". Most newcomers to the country are like that. The Virginia Voters for Animal Welfare is a perfect example - two California transplants started it up in Delaplane and it's now the new HSUS funded AR group for Virginia. Guess what they're doing in the Assembly.....

Equibrit

Sep. 14, 2005, 06:30 AM

So - is there a similar attitude amongst those who live in the country, with regard to city folks? Can't say I've experienced it. Why do those city dwellers think their way is the only way?

J Swan

Sep. 14, 2005, 06:57 AM

Equibrit - sorry to wander off your original topic - but I think the ban in the UK, and similar issues in the US are just symptoms of a larger problem.

With increased industrialization and population, many of us can no longer understand where our food comes from. Meaning, not only how the animals are nourished, housed and slaughtered, but the infrastructure required in rural communities, the lifestyle, the culture, etc.

I can understand why a city dweller, who has never seen a farm operation, might be shocked - as the chicken in the barnyard picking through the manure pile bears no resemblence to the plastic wrapped meal picked up at your local grocery store.

I am equally shocked when I visit the city and find that often people don't help each other out, doors are locked, windows are shuttered, etc.

These are not absolutes of course, and I don't want to contribute to the us vs them mentality.

I expect that if city dwellers move to the country that they want to live there for the same reason I do. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. Or at least - don't try to make the world England.

Equibrit

Sep. 14, 2005, 07:40 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I am equally shocked when I visit the city and find that often people don't help each other out, doors are locked, windows are shuttered, etc. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But do you force them to throw the windows and doors open, and help each other out?

J Swan

Sep. 14, 2005, 08:22 AM

Nope - that's cuz I respect their right to live as they choose even if I don't like it.

That's the difference I suppose.

Foxhunt4me

Sep. 14, 2005, 08:22 AM

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The hunting dogs
The snakes
The smells
The hunters
The farmers
The slow tractors
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Well the above things are some things I LIKE about the less developed locations!

I think that there are ' prejudices' that rural folks have against city dwellers as well.

One example is that a neighbor of mine gets 'Farm Truck ' license plates for his pickup. No w neither of us farm but he says that he has a lot easier time getting permission to hunt from farmers if they see his plates with this designation rather than the regular ones that our county shares with the metro.

Another one: now I am what would be considered in a white collar computer professional job and have been for 28 years but since I work out of my home I dress in a very casual manner and drive a pickup truck. People in stores think I work construction, I have had that comment a few times. I have many times heard other 'country folks' and farmers making comments about city people, yuppies, rich people etc. etc. when they think you are 'one of them'.

It is funny because I find this in hunt country when you are riding around in your high falutin clothes many landowners and locals consider foxhunters as rich city folk and make comments.
You get some pretty strange looks and comments when you are in formal hunt attire in a small town diner. When you are there doing work on the hunt country and come in dressed for work you are treated in a different manner many times.

People are people, they have true and false ideas about folks that are different from them and do not always have a desire to understand others points of view and lifestyles.

Its so funny for me to see that people that put themselves off as 'Liberal' seem to have as much a problem with what others do and make as many efforts to try to take away the rights and freedoms of others as those who call themselves 'Conservative'. A significant number of people now want to legalize their behaviors that were formerly illegal and make activities that are no w acceptable and legal , illegal.