Schooling Accident at WIHS

[Show Hunter]

Some of you may have heard that there was a tragic accident during the AM jumper schooling yesterday at WIHS. The jumpers were allowed in the main show ring from 5:45am to 6:30am. It was fairly crowded in the ring, as it always is, and one of the jumpers was kicked. It ended up that the horse had to be put down because of the severity of the break.

First, I wanted to extend my sincerest condolences to the owners of the horse; it was such a horribly sad and tragic incident. I don't know who the owner or horse was.

I raised this subject soley for the purpose of initiating a conversation around schooling at indoors. I want to make a plea to officials at Harrisburg and Washington to PLEASE change something so to as minimize the chance for accidents. Fifty hot, excitable jumpers all crammed in one ring is an accident waiting to happen. I realize that this accident was a chance occurrence, but honestly, it is probably just sheer luck that this has not happened before.

How about having two 25 min schooling sessions for the jumpers (divided by rider last name?), instead of one 45 min session? I honestly believe that something should be done for the future to prevent these accidents. It was really horrible and everyone there felt SO sorry for the girl whose horse it was.

[Show Hunter]

Some of you may have heard that there was a tragic accident during the AM jumper schooling yesterday at WIHS. The jumpers were allowed in the main show ring from 5:45am to 6:30am. It was fairly crowded in the ring, as it always is, and one of the jumpers was kicked. It ended up that the horse had to be put down because of the severity of the break.

First, I wanted to extend my sincerest condolences to the owners of the horse; it was such a horribly sad and tragic incident. I don't know who the owner or horse was.

I raised this subject soley for the purpose of initiating a conversation around schooling at indoors. I want to make a plea to officials at Harrisburg and Washington to PLEASE change something so to as minimize the chance for accidents. Fifty hot, excitable jumpers all crammed in one ring is an accident waiting to happen. I realize that this accident was a chance occurrence, but honestly, it is probably just sheer luck that this has not happened before.

How about having two 25 min schooling sessions for the jumpers (divided by rider last name?), instead of one 45 min session? I honestly believe that something should be done for the future to prevent these accidents. It was really horrible and everyone there felt SO sorry for the girl whose horse it was.

[Jodes, Aefvue Farms Bartender]

How horrible!! I cannot imagine. What a tragedy.

However, I have to say as well that shooling rings are quite scary, especially when over crowded.

At local weekend, we had jumpers warming up witht the Zone 3 hunters..not fun, NOT FUN at all!!!

Schooling rings can be mass chaos. I've been wondering when something like this might happen.

Again, my thoughts to the one who happen to lose their friend in this accident. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

[Other]

Oh dear. I'm so sorry to hear about this. I'm also a little nervous. Does anyone know what farm or rider it was?

[Ben and Me]

I'm a huge proponent of separating hunter and jumper warm up after a few years ago a Biltmore when a man on a large gray jumper rode literally up onto the tail of my TB gelding, scaring the sh*t out of both of us--It took me literally the rest of the week to get his brain back.

I can't even imagine what would've happened if he'd ridden up on the tail of another hot horse (like another jumper!) Schooling rings are SCARY--I agree that they should've split up the times, or maybe even had a ticketed warm up running throughout the night.

[BustersMom]

At the Quarter Horse Congress when we took our jumper, we had assigned schooling in the indoors arena. Much like a ticketed warmup. There were never more than 5 horses in the ring at one time and we were in there for 5-7 minutes.

I believe that one of our times was at 2:15 am. No, I didn't like going to bed, setting the alarm, getting up and schooling and going back to bed but the horse got in the arena under safe conditions and we had some schooling jumps.

[BLBGP]

Sad. Who was it?

[TSWJB]

Okay i am sorry but schooling rings do not have to be like this! i went to the M&S finals and the ring was open the day before the show and after the show was over. you could school at leisure and get your horse comfortable in the ring. if it was crowded, you just would wait until the crowd thined out. this is especially great for horses like mine who had never been to a finals before. the ring had a few people in it and i was able to jump the couple of jumps in the middle to get a feel for jumping in that ring. it was wonderful. when the show was in session, the one little schooling ring was only available for the next 10 on the order of go. worked out great.
i went to the ariat finals that year as well. i hated the schooling. there were so many horses crammed into the ring at 6 am. yes there was order. you could only go in the same direction and they switched the direction periodically. jumping was stressful. you had to jump and then turn quickly or stop so you would not hit the crowd. and then WTC in the ring, you had horses up your butt the whole time. and you had to make sure you didn't hit the pony in front of you with the much shorter stride than your big 16.3 warmblood. and forget trying to overtake the pony. no room! i thought it was terrible.
i asked my old trainer why didn't they school like M&S finals and she said because M&S wasn't rated, so they didn't have to follow the rules. but the capital challenge was rated, so you had to have someone there watching over the ring and they wouldn't pay someone all night. and maybe she even said that the rules didn't allow schooling all night or something like that.
anyway, so to go to a rated show, you have to ride in dangerous conditions. that seems rediculous! i thought the M&S finals were much more sensible! schooling there was fun, schooling at the capital challenge was awful and i thought it was dangerous!

[Show Hunter]

Well, they did allow riding in the ring starting from 1-5am (I believe it was until 5am), but no jumping. Many people wanted to jump a bit in the ring, especially since it is so difficult to jump in the schooling area.

I don't know who the horse and rider was - I believe that the rider was in the Adult Jumpers, I think she had two horses, and the one that was kicked was a dark bay. I think her other horse was a gray. That was all I was able to see.

After it was obvious that the injury was extremely serious, all competitors were asked to leave the ring. All of the horses then hacked together in the TINY schooling ring (those of you who have seen the schooling ring know how unbelievably small it is.) All of the riders adapted well given the circumstances and everyone dealt as best as we all could. The show started 30 mins late and the jumpers did get to go back in the main arena to hack for 15-20 extra mins. The accident happened only about ~10 mins into the jumper schooling time, and some horses had not even gotten to go into the ring yet.

I give kudos to all riders and the staff - everyone dealt with a horrible situation as absolutely best as possible.

[tommy]

What are horrible accident, and I agree, just one waiting to happen. Although they were hunters, the schooling at WIHS on Tuesday early am that I watched was jammed. Professionals, kids, cranky horses. It is a great idea to split up the schooling and have riders assigned to a specific time.

[Courtknee202]

What a tragic story. My condolences to the horses owners. I went to WIHS last year as a spectator and saw what I believe was the schooling ring outside? I couldn't imagine having to warm up in it. Teensy weensy!

[CBoylen]

The time from 1-5am is used for lunging, as there is no other place to lunge. Hunters rode on wednesday from 5-5:45, and the jumpers from 5:45-6:30. Just so everyone is clear, it's not a real "schooling" situation, there are two single post and rail jumps in the middle of the ring, and very few make use of them. It's a time mainly used for flatwork and for horses to see the ring. Everyone has to go the same direction and reverses are called by the ring supervisor.
Frankly, however, the whole situation wednesday morning was an accident waiting to happen. As we took the hunters out of the ring there were about thirty childrens and adult jumpers, as well as few a/o jumpers, mounted in the schooling area by the ingate waiting to get in. The riders are not as ring savvy as they might be (I noticed one girl on a horse with a red ribbon in its tail who had packed herself into a group of horses at the front of the line http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif), and most of us, myself included, had a very difficult time leading our horses through the schooling area to get out of the arena and back to the barns.
My mother was behind me and said as soon as I got to the ramp people were screaming in the ring for the vet. She said she didn't know what happened, and I immediately said I bet someone got kicked down there.
My trainer held up the horse's leg and comforted the girl, and he was extremely upset, as he felt this was an accident that is uncommon only by sheer luck. He suggested that the children's and adult classes be held only during the PGE portion of the WIHS.
I have to say, the complete unfriendliness of the MCI center is making lots of people reconsider returing to WIHS. Only a few divisions are requiring qualification now, since the entries are low, and the numbers actually showing are low as well. It's a very sad thing to happen to one of our premiere shows.

[ThirdCharm]

How about just not allowing schooling in the competition arena at all?

JenniferS

[kaye]

That's part of the problem isn't it? I understood that it's not in the competition arena, it's in a very small, very cramped schooling area?

Truly a tragedy.

[CBoylen]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Courtney01:
What a tragic story. My condolences to the horses owners. I went to WIHS last year as a spectator and saw what I believe was the schooling ring outside? I couldn't imagine having to warm up in it. Teensy weensy! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No one really uses the schooling ring outside (45'x 166', supposedly) to school, although some use it to hack. The footing is not good on the concrete, and getting to the ring on time is difficult.
Instead they school in the even smaller underground schooling area, which has two jumps and four concrete pillars. It is listed as 50' x 110', but most of the end is taken up by the horses waiting in the ingate. I'd call it four strides by three strides. Some of the juniors and amateurs feel too uncomfortable jumping there, so they have their trainers warm up and then get on in the ingate. There are definitely plenty of mishaps jumping in the confined space as it is.

[Madison]

That is so sad. I can't imagine how upset the owner and those associated with the horse must be, as well as how bad you would feel if it was your horse that kicked.

[cgn38]

I was schooling my AA jumper once and a rider (pro, I might add) came too close to my guy's hindquarters and my horse kicked. He connected at the other horse's hock. There was blood spurting all over. I jumped off and summoned the vet. I felt so bad that I offered to pay for vet expenses (although I don't think it was my fault), but the offer was declined. I never found out whether the horse made a full recovery or not, but he was in his stall for the rest of the show. My horse was not what I would consider a kicker, but the area was crowded and somewhat chaotic.

[Platinum Equestrian]

Anyone have any information about who the horse and rider were? What a terrible tragedy!

[autumnfarms]

Hi everyone:

It was my horse who died yesterday morning in the accident.

I have been a member of these bulletin boards for several years, yet I have only posted a handful of times. I read them religiously (addictively?) because there is really no other place where the goings-on of the horse show world get discussed so thoroughly and promptly. In all honesty, while most of the time I marvel at what an amazing group of people support each other here, I also stay away for fear of being "flamed" by getting involved in some of the more controversial topics. Under the circumstances now I think I have good reason to write and seek help.

I have spent the past 24 hours sobbing over the loss of my horse, and alternately, trying to write something to post on here about precisely that.

Early yesterday morning -- while schooling in the MCI Arena in preparation for our class at the WIHS last night -- a freak accident occurred. My horse Lancelot (aka Lenny), was kicked so severely by another horse that his tibia was smashed and he had to be euthanized immediately. It was truly horrifying. Everything happened so quickly; it still doesn't seem real. Lenny was so strong and stood quietly while I held his head and my trainer Scot held his leg. The veterinarians came quickly and there was no doubt the injury was irreparable. Lenny was as courageous in those final dreadful moments as he was every day of our lives together. He was unable to walk, yet somehow collapsed onto a trailer placed in front of him and lay down for the last time. His characteristic pride shone through; I believe he knew and did not want to be put to sleep in the dirt. I was able to climb in next to him for a minute and say good-bye -- he pushed his head toward me so I could reach to stroke his nose, give him a kiss, and I hope he died knowing he was loved. I feel empty and keep hoping I'm going to wake up to look outside and see his face looking back at me through the window of his stall. I would give anything to see the mischevious twinkle in his eye, to feel his sleek coat, and even to have the breath knocked out of me by his head walloping me in the stomach as he always does after a fast, clean round or simply when he wants a well-deserved carrot. I would even attempt to take the horse who would jump fire in the show ring trail riding here at home and be spun off and deposited on the ground in an instant.

I have been incredibly fortunate to have had many remarkable horses in my life. Lenny was a once-in-a-lifetime. Few people are able to get so close to a horse so as to have them truly become a soulmate in addition to a teammate in competition. I got Lenny as a baby and he was a challenge in every way. Four years ago, I probably would have laughed at anyone who suggested we might compete at this level at all, never mind with such success. With some incredible horse people who believed in us both, we brought Lenny along to become a champion. I credit our team: my trainer Scot, my groom and friend of 12 years Humberto, and my generous, wonderful parents for everything that happened this year. I was lucky to have success in the hunters as a junior, but to be winners in the jumpers at places such as Lake Placid, the Hampton Classic, and The Gold Cup at Devon, was a dream come true. In addition to blue ribbons and thrilling wins, in return, Lenny gave me far more important things like confidence and faith, and he changed self-doubt to self-esteem. He taught me about the importance of patience and trust and mutual respect. Lenny gave me his heart. And it was a big one.

It seems impossible that something so integral to my life has been taken from me; the cruelty with which it happened makes it seemingly unbearable. I know it takes time and I'll feel better, but a tragedy of this magnitude is stifling. I only hope that something good comes out of this; please keep the suggestions coming so that somehow I can make a proposal to show management about how to prevent accidents like this in the future.

In addition, you all should know that the rider of the other horse has not contacted me or any of my "team" to acknowledge the accident. It happened so quickly yesterday morning that none of us recognized the person beyond noticing that she was a young girl on a thin bay horse. I can understand initially letting feelings of shock and embarrassment prevent her from surfacing; I cannot fathom how anyone who loves horses could live with themselves without expressing sympathy or apologizing to a fellow horse person, nevermind carrying on and competing last night as though nothing had happened. A life was taken, accidently, but that certainly doesn't make it any less painful. As others have mentioned already, everyone there yesterday morning was so stunned and so many of them (like Chandas trainer Tommy Serio) went out of their way to physically help, and/or to personally reach out and tell me how sympathetic they were. The show staff on hand at that hour acted quickly, efficiently, and with such compassion in order to help me and my horse through an incredibly difficult time. To those people I am eternally grateful. I continue to be overwhelmed by the number of calls and emails I have received today from them as well as from people all over the country who have heard about the accident. The horrible irony is the part that remains impossible to understand; how can the other rider (nor her parent nor trainer) have chosen not to take any sort of responsibility. I will post on here the letter I sent to the show management and had at the in-gate during the classes last night so you can read it and give any feedback you might have.

Thanks to you all for your suggestions.

Sincerely,
Sarah

[Tackpud]

Sarah - my deepest sympathies as you go through this horrible time. {{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}

Lenny passed on knowing he was loved and that you were there for him. That is a bond you will have forever and he will be waiting for you at the end of your time on earth. Please know that you are in our thoughts and prayers.

[mizzwade]

Sarah,
I'm truly heartbroken for your loss. You are in inspiration to me, I don't think I would have handled it as well as you are...

There is nothing that I can say to console you, Gospeed dear Lenny.

[wtywmn4]

Sarah your post at such a sad time is extraordinary. You have my deepest sympathy. Losing your soulmate is beyond words. Horsemen and women feel your pain. The fact this person did not come forward is unbelievable. How any person, who is riding in such a tight cramped schooling area, ride away as if nothing happened is unthinkable. It is impossible to understand, as you posted. Hopefully this will bring them forward.

From your post, you had a wonderful year. Keep that in your heart, your Lenny is still with you.. Again, my deepest condolences to you...

[Duffy]

I'm so sorry about Lenny, autumnfarms. Words cannot express what I'm even feeling. I cannot imagine what you're feeling. What a horrific thing to have happened. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

{{{{{ HUGS }}}}}

Know that Lenny did know that he was very much loved.

[GirlNextDoor]

I am so sorry autumnfarms. I can't even begin to imgine what you hve been going through recently. I do hope that the girl whose horse kicked you gets the courage to contact you.

It sounds like your horse was beyond love and I am so so sorry for your loss. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

These schooling rings are so scary in the morning. The thought of that many childrens/adult jumper in the MCI arena hacking at one time sounds horrific. They really need to make some changes and make them quickly!

[katirobinson]

Dear Sarah,
Thank you, thank you, thank you for sharing that with all of us. I am sitting here in tears, feeling an amazing sense of loss for you. I grieve with you.

I urge all of us to take from this what we are able to. A LESSON.

WHAT CHANGES CAN BE MADE AND WHO CAN MAKE THEM?

I know to a certain extent, its the nature of indoor shows. But shouldn't something that's suppossed to be the pinnacle of horse showing represent the best in all areas...INCLUDING SAFETY?

Please be careful out there, everyone. Don't let this happen again.

[Penthilisea]

Oh Sarah, I am so sorry for your loss. Just imagine him and Aero and Willem up there frolicing in a HUGE field of clover, where the sun always shines, and apples grow on treees.



(Hope that made you smile!)

[CBoylen]

Sarah,
So sorry for your loss http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif. The accident had such a huge effect on everyone at the show, and I know everyone wanted to express their sympathy in some way. We all love horses, and we know you loved yours. It's a tragedy that you lost him, especially in this way. Please accept my sympathies.
Chanda

I'm also very disappointed to hear that the other rider still has not made any effort to apologise. I had hoped they would do so in private after the accident.

[RodeoHunter]

Sarah,
I felt sick for you reading your post, I'm so sorry this happened to you. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[ABBA]

Deepest sympathies Sarah. I too am FLOORED that the person responsible hasn't acknowledged the incident.

[mnolen9698]

Oh Sarah... I don't know you and I don't know your horse, but I'm sitting here at my desk sobbing for you and your loss. While I've had my share of warm-up area accidents, I simply cannot imagine going through what you went through. I am so sorry and sad for you... I wish I could hold you and let you ball your eyes out. -- Michelle

[SaddlePotato3]

Autumnfarms, I'm so incredibley sorry for your loss!!! I can't imagine what that is like for you! I was bawling as I read your post and feel for you. I'm sure Lenny died knowing he was loved and happy that he had a great life with you. I'm sorry for your loss. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

[Platinum Equestrian]

I'm deeply sorry for your loss.

[hunt_jump]

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif I am so sorry for your loss. I, as many people here, have lost a special horse before. Yet I cannot come close to imagining the grief you must be experiencing from such a loss. Thank you for sharing your story with us. My deepest sympathies to you and everyone who loved and lost your special boy. {{{{{HUGS}}}}}

[Arado]

I am so sorry to hear of your loss.Lenny sounds like truly a wonderful boy .You both are fortunate to have each other ,I can feel the love for him in your words.Others [the unfortunate ones] can only hope for that kind of love from their people .God bless.

[MistyBlue]

Sarah, my deepest condolences to you, your team and family. Your post was beautifully written and a lovely eulogy for Lenny. You'll both be in my prayers. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[wesierobb]

Sarah, I am so terribly sorry for your tragic loss..........and so immeasureably moved by your elequence. I pray that time will ease the pain, and that the good memories will overshadow the tragic ending.

[DMK]

Sarah, I am so sorry to hear about Lenny.

Several years ago my old hunter was kicked and needed to be euthanised due to a massive farcture. I have lost horses before and since that day, but nothing can compare with that feeling of immediate and entirely unexpected loss. All I can say is what you already know - that soon your good memories will overpower the memory of that day.

[Party Rose]

And an inspiration to me too. I can't believe how clear headed you were with your thoughts & your writing in your post.

Tears were rolling down my face beginning with "Early yesterday morning". I can not believe the strenght that is within you and my admiration barometer is overflowing.

I do hope that some good comes of your tragic loss. My thoughts, prayers and jingles go out to you and everyone who loved and was involved in Lenny's life.

[Cashew]

I am so sorry for your loss.

Lenny was lucky to have such a wonderful mom.

[JBO]

I am so sorry for your tragic and unexpected loss. I cannot imagine having the composure you displayed with your eloquent post. I have always feared that very accident happening when I have schooled at indoors, and it is shocking that it hasn't happened more frequently, sadly. At the MCI center, those scary am schools are truly the only time you actually are able to hack, as the top ring has (in the past) had poor footing, and the indoor schooling "ring" is truly too small to spend more than a few minutes and a few jumps in. This tragic accident needs to be the catalyst for a change.

[stillpointfarm]

My heartbreaks for your loss, Sarah. Its devasting when you have shared so much and have become so close to your equine partner, to lose your friend when he was giving you his heart at a competition is overwhelming. I also have experienced your pain and no words will ease what you are feeling, but you must always remember that you were blessed to have shared such wonderful moments with such a special horse and you are very fortunate to have had the time together as you will always have your cherished memories and I would rather have memories rich in love than no memories at all.

[Merry]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by autumnfarms:
Lenny gave me far more important things like confidence and faith, and he changed self-doubt to self-esteem. He taught me about the importance of patience and trust and mutual respect. Lenny gave me his heart. And it was a big one.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What a loving, noble sentiment about your beloved horse! No doubt he knew his place in your heart. I am truly sorry for what happened. It was a horrible tragedy.

[zedcadjna]

Sarah That just brought tears to me eyes, and that is not easy to do.... Honey I am so sorry for your loss... Sounds like you and that horse had wonderful times together!!! Take care and I wish you the best of luck... I hope that the other rider does contact you in time to say she is sorry too, until then keep your head held high and great memories in you heart!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

[gray17htb]

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I am so sorry for your loss.

[xegeba]

My deepest sympathies to you and Lenny, autumnfarm.

[tbpalsx2]

Autumn Farms your post regarding Lenny was beautiful. You trully reflected on the feelings that many of us have regarding our horses as soulmates. I am very tearful and I will say a special prayer for you. I am so sorry for your pain and your loss. Lenny was very special and fortunate to have you to love him. I too cannot believe the person on the horse that kicked Lenny has not contacted you. This past summer I accompanied my daughter and a friend and their trainer to a big event in Kentucky. During warm up for dressage another horse kicked hitting our friend's ankle breaking her stirrup and injuring her foot. The person responsible simply said "let me know if I can buy you a new stirrup' and kept going. In the confusion we did not get her show number. Our friend was in severe pain, had to be taken to the emergency room for x-rays , of course could not ride in the show and was on crutches for several weeks requiring further medical treatment and several thousand dollars expense. The rider reponsible never inquired or contacted our friend, never apologized, nothing. I am not sure what has happened to personal responsiblity and expressions of sorrow in this day and age. This lack of concern for you and your horse on the part of this rider is also a tragedy. Our friend's big concern during her entire scenario was the fact the kick could have severely injured her horse instead of her. She too loves her horse and would do anything to protect him. I am going to send her your tribute post to my friend and I am sure she will also say a special prayer for you and for Lenny. I am hoping show organizers will take note of your loss and use this as springboard for change. i think crowded warm up arenas are common in all displines. We have been too several shows with this problenm over the years and trust me I going to place wram up arenas on our check list for concern along with footing etc. Again take care and know that many horse people are thinking of you.

[Lord Helpus]

Sarah, I am so very, very sorry. To have a perfect healthy horse one minute and then to lose that horse to a fluke, tragic accident the next is likea horrid nightmare from which you can't wake up.

I think it is nature's way of numbing you and allowing you to get through these first days of shock.

May the days to come bring you peace. Lenny is already at peace, and is playing with Willem and the rest of the crew at the Rainbow Bridge.

[titan]

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[jlf]

Sarah, I'm so sorry for your loss. Thank you for sharing the story and your thoughts. I hope that some good comes out of this tragedy - it sounds like there would be a lot of support on this BB to help pressure managers into creating safer schooling conditions for horses and riders at certain shows.

[ASClaire]

Like so many others, your post has moved me to incredible tears, too. I am SO sorry for your loss; I just put down an old soulmate a few weeks ago, but had time to prepare for it...I can't imagine losing mine this suddenly.
No one can take away the sweet memories from you, and I truly believe that Lenny knew how much he was loved and was comforted by your presence.
Regarding the girl whose horse kicked -- we all think we know exactly how we would react at a time of crisis...but I also can't even imagine the sheer horror I would feel if I were in her shoes. (I am terribly embarrassed if I just cut someone off a little by accident in one of those dinky schooling areas). I have faith she will come forward; she probably can't find the words/the voice to even speak about it yet. So, while it would have been most appropriate for her to come forward immediately, I'll bet she's as devastated as all of us who have read your post. Give her some healing time, too.
And in the meantime, all of us horse lovers around the world are grieving with you!

[Boston Chicken]

My sympathies. I am terribly sorry for your loss. God speed, Lenny. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

[Hasty]

Sarah,

I am completely saddened by your loss. I feel abosulutely terrible, my condolences go out to you. One thing that I am sure of is that your boy absolutely knew he was loved and he will forever be watching over you. I can only hope that the other rider realizes what a terrible thing she is doing by not contacting you and does so. You are a very strong person for handling something like this so valiently.

[JusJumpIt]

Sarah, I am deeply sorry for your loss. Your eulogy touched so many people, your love for your horse is pure and deep. Although time will heal your heart, the tears will still flow, but they will be tender, soft tears that will warm your cheeks and heart. He will visit in the quiet moments, to let you know he is waiting by the gate, ears turned to listen for your footsteps, lips ready to nuzzle for treats, breath sweet and warm. You will find peace in the knowledge that you will once again throw your arms around his neck, and press your nose into his mane to breath deeply of that wonderful smell. My prayers are with you and your family.

[LaurieB]

I am so sorry for your loss. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Your love for Lenny and his for you shone through every word of your wonderful tribute. I hope this tragedy can serve as a catalyst for change so that no one else ever has to go through the same kind of horrible experience that you have.

[lauriep]

Sarah, I am truly sorry for your loss. This business can be the source of such joy and excitement, and then, sometimes in the next minute, such tragedy and sorrow. You sound like an amazing woman from your post, and I am sure Lenny knew how much you loved him. I think most of us have been through something similar and so can all feel your pain. Again, I'm so sorry that this happened.

[Cindeye]

Sarah, I just came across this thread and saw your post. I'm so sorry for your loss and know how your heart must be breaking for your special Lenny.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Lenny gave me far more important things like confidence and faith, and he changed self-doubt to self-esteem. He taught me about the importance of patience and trust and mutual respect. Lenny gave me his heart. And it was a big one. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It sounds like Lenny knew that you gave him your heart, too...and it is a huge one.

RIP Lenny. Have fun with Stranger, Willem, Aero, Royal K and all your new friends at the Rainbow Bridge.

[sanctuary]

Oh Sarah! I am so sorry to hear about your loss! It is always awful to lose a loved one, but so suddenly it's almost unbearable! You are a brave young lady and you will forever carry Lenny's message and spirit with you. Sounds like he was a true Lancelot. A very fitting name for him!

As for preventing something like this in the future, is there a way, as riders, trainers, agents, parents, etc, to petition or boycott horse shows with inadequate schooling areas?

[ColoredGrey]

Sarah,
I am trying to type this as the tears are rolling down and hitting the key board. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif
I am so sorry that you lost Lenny.Your eulogy was incredibly moving and so well written at such an early stage of greif. You sound like an amazing young lady and your words of praise for your lovely horse are so very gracious. His accomplishments may not have been so great if it wasn't for the love, patience and faith "you", your family and trainers had put in to him. Anyone can tell you what goals you need to set for yourself, but , it is only you that can make the "dream come true". Lenny brought that out in you and he was just as lucky to have you as you where him.
Life works in ways that just don't seem to fit in our plan. No matter how much you think you have it under control.It some how seems to keep taking the unexpected turn. The sudden loss of something we love so dear is one that brings us so many emotions you almost can't go on living.
This amazing horse has brought life to you. Continue to carry it with you. It keeps him alive here in this world. Go and fight to get things changed in those damn schooling rings! We will ALL be here to help in this quest. And when it does get changed we will call it the "Lenny Law."
I wish you strengh and courage through this difficult time. Lenny, happy trials over the rainbow bridge. I wish I had the opprotunity to have known such a special horse.
God Bless you Sarah.

[How Bout No (Karrie)]

Sarah, i am so sorry, that this had to happen to you and Lenny. It seems like this just wasnt meant to happen to you, but, sadly it did. My deepest wishes to you, your family, and all those who knew Lenny http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

I truely hope the girl who's horse kicked Lenny, grows up, and admits what will never be changed.

[radar]

Sarah, I too have been in the position of losing a very, very close equine friend in an unexpected way at an unexpected time. My condolences are with you and Lenny. You can be sure that he understood your feelings for him. Horses have a better grasp for that than most humans, as I'm sure you realize.... Isn't it wonderful how certain horses can look at you, even in Lenny's circumstance, and you both understand the moment....


As for the person who was riding the other horse, if you have the courage to read this thread, please acknowledge the accident... that's obviously what it was, and the universe will be better off for your acknowledgement... If you cannot see it any other way, please look at the situation as if your horse were the victim of the situation and realize that it is better to make contact.

Godspeed to Lenny, and my best wishes to you, Sarah... I understand some of what you feel, and I think your response is eloquent and very sensitive. I think you must be a class act, as well... if your response is any indication. Best of luck working through this. My sympathies, and the sympathies of thousands of others, are with you!

[Carol Ames]

Dea sarah, http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

My deepest condolences http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif , I will remember both you, and, lenny in my prayers; how wonderful that youwere able to be with him as he passed,and, how brave you were. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif re! he knew he was much loved, don't forget you were his his soulmate,, too, and, i'm sure your presence comforted him, as he would want you to be comforted also; I pray that the memories of this horrible accident will soon be replaced by memories of happier days, and, rides , lake placid, and, Devon, woW! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif !perhaps we can organize to lobby for safer chooling, area, "lenys'law", i dolike that! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ; this has been a problem for years, I remember a letter to the editor, back inthe1950ies about the schooling area at the armory where WiHS was originally held.as i recall the winner of an equitation final was kicked, and broke her ankle, then someone onecame down from the stands,and, threw beer cans at the horses http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ! Stupid, http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif but,notnearly so tragic as your loss http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif ; When you close youreyes, see him galloping free,and jumping as he did yes with you.one thing i do know now is that love nver dies, and lenny was was a much loved horse; God bless you,and comfort you,may visions of a healthy happy lenny at peace, in beautiful fields, no snow!, or cold , or heat, orflies, warmed by the memory of your your loving care. God bless you both! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[Carol Ames]

Sarah,

please remember that I want to compile remberances such as yours in a book,"Hoofprints on the heart, http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif stories of special horses http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif , and, the humans whose,lives they touched"; obviously a eulogy such as yours, would be most welcome http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif , and, i'm sure would woud bring tears http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif to many of us http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

[HarleyBarley]

Sarah,

I am so sorry for your loss. I am sitting here with tears in my eyes as I read these threads. I'm sure Lenny knew you loved him as evidenced by the fact that he gave his all for you and was comforted by you being there with him at the end.

I just got back from WIHS last night. When I arrived at the MCI center at 7:30 a.m. yesterday I was surprised that it had started late, now I know why. What an unfortunate and unnecessary accident. I agree with Chandra how unfriendly the MCI center is and how difficult it is to show there. I know one of the judges commented to my trainer how "light" the entries were. If it keeps up at this rate, the show will cease to exist. The schooling area is so scary if you're not a nervous wreck before you school, you certainly will be at the end. Even the seating situation for spectators is a joke and then to make the exhibitors sit only in the one area is totally ridiculous. One exhibitor wanted to watch a few rounds from the center seating and one of the ushers told her she couldn't sit there, only in the assigned seating area - there was a grand total of about 50 spectators (not counting the exhibitors section) in the whole MCI center. Whatever seating was on your ticket was where you had to sit, regardless that the arena was empty. I can understand enforcing the policy on days when the seating is full, like for evening jumping performances, but when I watched the children and adults ride, it was crowded at all and Tuesday and Wednesday day it was empty. I will never go back.

[van]

Sarah,

I just finished reading your post, and am in tears for you, much like so many of us you have so graciously shared with. I am so very sorry for your loss, and am sickened by the circumstances. How many times have I had a similar image flash through my mind as a horse kicks at another in a ridiculously small, and dangerously packed arena? There really must be better circumstances that could be created for our year end shows that are meant to showcase our country's best horses and riders. I wish my mind could focus right now, and I could put forth some useful suggestions, but I am afraid this tragedy is still too fresh a shock. Again, my soul cries for you, and I hope you are able to find some comfort in this very difficult and painful time.

Vanessa Brown
www.derbyhillfarm.com (http://www.derbyhillfarm.com)

[juniormom]

Sarah, it is hard to imagine what you must be going through at this difficult time. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif I must commend you on your bravery for Lenny. I know he sensed this from you. You were with him and did the best you could for him. That is what is most important. Try to remember the good rides you had with him and the wonderful days at the barn.

Perhaps you will be able to utilize this is in Lenny's memory to recommend changes for indoor schooling in situations such as this. Do this in his memory. I am thinking back to Christopher Reeves and his taking a bad situation and doing everything he could to move things foward and improve things for the future for all of us! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif Somehow I feel that Lenny will give you the strength to do this in his memory and please know that all of us will be here to help you accomplish this in any possible way! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Take care and please be comforted in knowing that you have the thoughts and prayers of all of us with you! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[sbock]

Sarah, Your email about Lenny was beautiful. Lenny was lucky to have such a wonderful mommy. And, it sounds like you were blessed to have a horse as special as Lenny in your life. I am sure that witht hte passage of some time all your good memories with Lenny will replace the pain and emptiness you now feel. I am so sorry for your loss.

[Silly Mommy]

My deepest sympathy. Too many losses recently (myself included) - it just isn't fair, but I still believe that there is a reason for everything.

I lost my soulmate 4 years ago - I know where you are at. If you need to vent, please feel free to PT me.

[the eleven]

what a horrible thing... i cannot even imagine

best of luck to you and yours

[Weatherford]

Heartfelt sympathy and love sent to you from Ireland, Sarah! What an awful experience! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

Thank you for sharing your love for Lenny here.

{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}

[foursocks]

I'm so, so sorry for your loss- it was good that you were with him to help him pass gently. My thoughts are with you.

[slp]

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My deepest sympathy for your loss, I can't imageine going through something so tragic and then having the strength to share what you posted with us. Hopefully some changes will be made to make sure that nothing like this ever happens to anyone again.
Lenny sounds like he was an incredibly special horse.

[autumnfarms]

Thank you so much for your heartfelt responses. All of your thoughts -- both support for me and suggestions for how to initiate change at the horse shows -- have been so helpful to read. I cannot tell you how it overwhelms me to hear such kind words from strangers. (I know we're united somehow by virtue of the passion we all share for these animals, regardless, having such remarkable messages posted here or sent privately to me during this incredibly painful time is just amazing.) I thank you all. I'm just so touched by what so many have said; I feel terribly sad and this loss feels like too much to bear, but then it feels as though there are so many people pulling for me and Lenny that there must be a light at the end of the tunnel. I can only hope.

I said I would share the letter I sent to management at the horse show, and since so many of you have asked about it I will post it here. Please remember that it was written the same day as the accident, and was not intended as any sort of attempt to urge change of the schooling system. Not yet. It was what I felt was necessary; a note written in the gentlest way possible so as not to ruin the show for the other riders -- many of whom were already upset -- but to let the responsible person/s know what I (what we all) expect from them as well as general knowledge for everyone else.

Sarah

[autumnfarms]

October 27, 2004


Dear Fellow Adult Jumpers:


At 6 o'clock this morning during our schooling session in this arena, a tragic accident occurred. My horse, Lancelot, (aka Lenny), was kicked so severely by a Children’s Jumper that his tibia was smashed and he had to be euthanized immediately. I remained at the MCI Center until midday, helping to make arrangements for such things as cremation and transportation; decision-making I wouldn't wish on anyone.

There are many, many wonderful people in this horse world of ours; the sheer number of those who have gone out of their way today to offer help of all kinds, to express their sympathy, and the remarkable effort on the part of all the show staff to do everything necessary for my horse, with such class and dignity under the most undignified of circumstances, is simply overwhelming. I want to thank all of you.

The young rider of the horse who kicked Lenny has not approached me, my trainer, or show management to acknowledge the accident. Remarkably, neither has the horse's trainer nor a responsible parent made any contact. Considering the horrific outcome of the accident, perhaps the young rider lacks the courage to speak up, or has been coached not to speak with me. I understand some initial feelings of embarrassment and upset. I only wish they had taken the opportunity to reach out to me -- another horse person just like themself. It would have helped me, my trainer and my groom enormously. And, quite possibly, it would have helped a young rider who surely feels horribly responsible for what occurred. Yes, accidents do happen. I extend my best wishes to that young rider for a successful class this evening, and hope that one day he or she will find the strength and courage to speak with me.

Good luck to all Adult Jumpers.


Sincerely,


Sarah Friedman
Autumn Farms
306 Hardscrabble Road
North Salem, NY 10560

[QueenMother]

Sarah -- I'd like to add my heartfelt condolences as well, and thank you for the beautiful written account. Even a stone would have been moved by the love you expressed.

I, for one, hope washington gets its act togther and finds a way to overcome the space restrictions to continue with the show. It's a beautful venue and when things go right is a very neat place for a show. Perhaps your experience will inspire changes for the good, not only at Washington, but at Harrisburg and in New York as well.

I send a hug your way, Sarah.

[HOOF IT]

Sarah,

As my tears fall upon my keyboard, I am thinking about how strong and brave you have been throughout this tragedy, my heart and prayers go out to you. You have demonstrated a brilliant talent in writing exactly how you and many others feel about our equine friends, and soul mates. I hope that hearing of this tragedy and reading the posts from the numerous supportive competitors will make positive changes in schooling arenas. Lenny, Lancelot, may you find peace now as you gallop across the lush pastures in heaven above......Return to Camelot.......
Sarah, take care!

[Anne FS]

Sarah, I am so very sorry about Lenny. What a beautiful tribute you wrote for him. How loved he was, and he knew it. God bless you. There's a Russian poem about losing "our loved way-companions." I can't recall it all, but it ends with:

Say not with sadness, "They are no longer here"
But with gladness: "They were!"

May that glory and triumph in sharing your life with a special soul be yours.

[caffeinated]

Sarah,

I wish there was something useful I could say to make this easier for you. But words tend to fail me in situations like these. I simply cannot imagine the feelings you must be having right now, and my thoughts and heart go out to you, and to Lenny too. He was a lucky horse to have been so well loved.

*k*

[Madison]

It made me sad just to hear the story, but having now read Sarah's comments just brings tears to my eyes. I can't imagine how painful it must be, and I hope the rider, parents or trainer of the other horse can come to realize the importance of reaching out to you. I have no doubts that Lenny knew how much he was loved!

[Quinn]

Sarah, my heart is heavy after reading this. I can only imagine how devastated you are. Your tribute to Lenny is beautiful and know in your heart he felt how lucky he was to have you. I'm just so terribly sorry.

Jay

http://community.webshots.com/user/ballyduff

[Go-Go]

Sarah I'm so sorry. I cannot imagine how horrible that experience was for you.

I agree with what's been said about WIHS being so dangerous. I hope the show committee thinks long and hard about what's more important - the safety and health of the riders and the horses or having a show in a metropolitan venue. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Hexel]

Sarah I'm so sorry for the pain you and those around you are suffering from the loss of your beloved Lenny. What a tragedy. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

I can only hope this will bring some solutions/ improvement to the shows with less then ideal conditions. I've also witnessed horses sandwiching their legs in the boards of poorly built stalls. I'm not a business person so I may be way off base here. Some of these shows routinely donate large sums of money to charities, which is a good thing. However would they not be allowed for a few yr's to donate less. And put those funds into the facility to safely house/exercise/school the horses that make it all possible in the first place?

[monstrpony]

Sarah, I am so sorry for your tragic loss. I hope time will ease the pain and bring you the peace you deserve.

Your intelligent, considered and very appropriate words at this horrible moment in your life humble the rest of us and make us very proud to call ourselves fellow Horsepeople.

[411]

Sarah, heartfelt condolences to you on your terrible loss. Thank you for coming here and so eloquently sharing your story with us, I can't begin to imagine how difficult it is for you.

Take care of yourself, and know lots of us are praying for you and Lenny.

[Bumpkin]

I am so sorry to hear about this. Lenny and you are in my prayers.

[* IVY LEAGUE *]

My deepest sympathy for your loss, I too lost my best friend several years ago. I hope this does not tant your feelings about showing, keep going if not for your sake but for Lenny's. He was truly loved.

I think much to much of this happens in the warm up ring and if show managment does not step in there will be more tragic accidents.

****JINGLE****

Please take care and never forget what you had with Lenny - keep him in your heart. You were truly blessed..... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

[nycjumper]

I'm so sorry to hear the sad news. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Dakotawyatt]

Sarah, so overwhelmingly sorry for your loss. Your eulogy is so beautiful, I have tears in my eyes. I pray for your strength in the days to come; know that your grief will ease.

I think the suggestion of the assigned schooling time is a good one. It would be a great way to allow everyone the opportunity to school and hack around safely ... especially if the entries are lower.

Sad as it is, I'd be willing to bet none of the people associated with the girl, or the girl herself has contacted you because they're terrified of a lawsuit. You can't trust anyone not to unleash the lawyers anymore. My husband was in a car accident with a FRIEND, and a YEAR later, the friend has filed a lawsuit. I'm sure they're terribly sorry for your loss, they're just afraid to offer their sympathy.

[Cinnybren]

Sarah - My heart is breaking for you. I ride in the AA Jumpers too, and cannot imagine losing my wonderful partner. In your letter you wrote,

"In addition to blue ribbons and thrilling wins, in return, Lenny gave me far more important things like confidence and faith, and he changed self-doubt to self-esteem. He taught me about the importance of patience and trust and mutual respect. Lenny gave me his heart. And it was a big one."

That really touched me, and I know exactly that feeling in my heart for my mare.

Godspeed to your wonderful Lenny, and my sincere condolences to you and your team.

Brenda

[Pony+ an inch]

Sarah, I am so sorry for you loss. Your post was incredibly moving to me...

If there's one thing I've noted at a lot of shows, it's lack of organization and space in warm uprings/areas. I really wish more managements would take more responsibility and care about organizing warmup rings and warmup times. Accidents can happen, but they can also be prevented...

[meaty ogre]

Sarah, I said a little prayer for you and all of Lenny's freinds, human and equine, who are missing him now. I hope that the other party comes forward, and that you can find some resolution and peace.

I went to the MCI center last year as a spectator, and I was suprised to see the conditions. As I recall, there were some issues with the footing last year in the grand prix where horses either slipped or fell. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.
When I first arrived, I thought it was sweet that some of the city folk were walking up and down the rows of stalls, and stopping to pet and take pictures of the horses. Then, as I walked down the concrete ramp to the underground schooling area to wish my friend luck, I smelled the noxious fumes and got a glimpse of the schooling area complete with concrete pillars. Having the show at the MCI center adds prestige and offers a chance to draw in more spectators, or at least that is what I thought the purpose was. However, it seems to create more of a hassle for exhibitors and in my observance, didn't draw many, if any, extra spectators. At any rate, I came away feeling that the show was overly commercialized and somewhere in the shuffle the best interest of the horses (and riders) was pushed aside. It is sad that tragedies like this one, and the ones that occurred at this year's olympics had to happen, but hopefully these events can be a catalyst for positive changes.

[OneonOne]

Sarah, I have nothing eloquent to add like many of the posters here, but I just want to extend my condolences to you. I can't imagine losing my friend and teammate in such a traumatic, sudden way.

My thoughts are with you in this difficult time.

[wtywmn4]

Your letter Sarah, was beautifully written. You are an extraordinary horsewomen.

I for one am hoping that somehow, management will do whats necessary to make the schooling safer at WIHS. We all know that even in the best circumstances accidents occur. The schooling area of any show is the most dangerous place to be in. When large crowds of horses are placed in small confining spaces, somethings going to give, and someone is going to get hurt.

My suggestion to all of us, is let management know when schooling is over crowded and dangerous. Many times they are busy doing something else, and don't know. Yes there should be schooling supervisors, but as we all know this isn't always the case. Maybe we can help prevent another accident from occuring be it human or horse.

[Jodes, Aefvue Farms Bartender]

Sara,
There are no words that I can think of to take away the pain you must feel. My heart goes out to you. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif
I realize that the MCI center is a way to make the show more prestigious-or whatever, but, it also seems that it's not in the best interest of the horses or riders.
Why not leave WIHS as the PG Equestrian Center? Plenty of schooling and the indoor is suitable.
Any thoughts?

[Inverness]

Sarah, the compassion and understanding you expressed to the young rider involved in this incident is remarkably courageous and truly admirable.

I sincerely hope that the young competitor eventually contacts you and I hope and pray that she and all sportsmen learn something about integrity, grace, and courage from your generous example.

You are a credit to the sport and to sportsmanship. Lenny could have no better legacy.

[Blinky]

Sarah,
My heart tightened as I read your post. I am so sorry for your loss. What an awful ordeal to go through. Lenny was a brave one.

[Anyplace Farm]

Sara - this is so sad and my heart goes out to you.

I can't help but be extremely angry on your behalf about the person who owns the horse who kicked yours. She knows she did it. Granted, acknowledgement of the accident won't bring Lenny back but I'm sure it would give you a slice of peace that you could really use right now.

Just like it is against the law to leave the scene of an automobile accident, there should be a law w/USEF preventing leaving the scene of a horse-related accident. People should be fined for not staying on the scene.

[UNCeventer]

Sarah you amaze me by your strength and eloquent posts at such a difficult time. Know that we are thinking of you and will do whatever we can to help you. So very sorry.

[Show Hunter]

Sarah,
Again, I am so, so sorry for what happened to you and Lenny. What a beautiful post you wrote - he was obviously an extremely special and loved horse. What a sad and horrible loss.

I hope that something good can arise from this. We, as competitors, need to INSIST upon change so as to minimize the chance that anything like this will happen again.

As Chanda pointed out, the numbers showing at Washington are getting lower and lower - almost reaching the point where it isn't as big of a deal to win there anymore. What a sad state to be in. Not to mention the fact that it costs $20 to get into the show (even on the weeknights) and very, very few spectators came to watch. If no one is coming, then what is the point of having the show in downtown DC? Does anyone know when the contract is up with the MCI center? Any chance it will be moved elsewhere? It is becoming clear that as entries get lower and lower, and things like this start to happen, that the show cannot continue as it curently stands. A change is needed...or else we're in danger of killing WIHS...

[BustersMom]

Sarah,
Like many others, I am so sorry for your tragic loss. I admire the grace and courage you are displaying in which you are handling everything.
You and Lenny are in my thoughts and prayers.

[maxxtrot]

sara, i have no idea how old you are ,but you are a very well spoken young lady in my eyes. i am so sorry to hear of your tragic loss of lenny i am over from the eventing board, and am so sorry to hear of this horrible news.i hope your very well written letter helps in some way for horse show managment to see that things need to be better thought out concerning warmup's and schooling rings. good luck to you and your other horse. and know that lenny knew that he was very much loved!
www.camaloufarms.com (http://www.camaloufarms.com)

[BLBGP]

Sarah, I am very very sorry to hear about your loss. Lenny sounded like the horse of a lifetime who loved you as much as you loved him. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

[Moesha]

Sarah,
I am so deeply sorry for you loss, It was a nightmare I am sorry you had to experience. You sound like a lovely person and youre horse obviosuly loved you very much and you him.

M

[GreystoneKC]

Dear Sarah,
I just read this thread, and like many others, I have been brought to tears by the elequent, yet sweet way you have paid tribute to your wonderful horse, Lenny. I myself lost my best horsie friend last year surprisingly to a ruptured heart valve, and the pain is nothing I would wish on any horse lover. I will keep you in my prayers, and wish you the best. Healing will come in time.

In addition, I just wanted to say that I admire the fact that you speak so well in the face of such tragedy. The letter you posted at the ingate was both matter-of-fact and heartfelt. You are an amazing human to be so kind to the rider of the horse that kicked Lenny, and I cannot believe that rider has not contacted you inthe aftermath. I also think that rider needs our prayers, because whether she hasn't come forward because she is young, upset, and doesn't know how to handle the situation, or she is unaffected, concerned only about herself, or in denial...that rider too needs our prayers.

[BAC]

I am so very sorry for your loss, hopefully your many beautiful memories of Lenny will sustain you. Your eulogy moved me to tears.

Hard to imagine that this rider and her connections have not come forward to express her sympathy, fear of a lawsuit is no excuse.

[nails]

Sarah-you have amazing courage. In the face of such a horrible experience you had the grace to post such a letter at the in gate. I wish I was blessed to know you personally but I am grateful that you have shared your loss and experience with us. Know that Lenny loved you and his leg is healed and he is with some wonderful friends.

As for the person that caused this untimely death-the sad thing is that this person does not know right from wrong and obviously has no one to teach her-she knows who she is and what she did (and didn't do). I hope it weighs on her heavily.

God bless you.

[M. O'Connor]

What a terrible thing! Honestly, it is so sad that I'm sure nothing I could add would be able to help, except to say how sorry I am to hear that this has happened.

As for the lack of contact from connections of the horse it was who kicked yours, there is absolutely no explaining these things. My 8yo daughter was knocked right off her small pony during a schooling session at a local rated show this past summer by a much older rider schooling a pony for another student of her trainer's. Thankfully, neither she nor her pony were hurt, although this collision had taken place at a canter in between jumps (the other rider was jumping against traffic, and had ignored our calls of "heads up")...Not only did the other rider not appologize or ask how my daughter was, but the trainer kept right on schooling the girl (against the flow of all other traffic) as if the entire thing hadn't happened at all.

What is WITH people anyway?

[RugBug]

I am so sorry for your loss. I can't even imagine what you are going through and any words I come up with will be echoing what everyone else has said.

Your tribute to Lenny was extremely beautiful and befitting of the relationship between that special horse and his girl. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

[Policy of Truth]

Sarah, I am so sorry for your loss. Reading your account of Lenny's last moments had me in tears. It is obvious that you and this horse loved each other fiercely.

Words cannot express what I would like, so just know I am thinking of you both...and once I get my wits about me, I'll try and write some suggestions for a proposal to change the way schooling is done at shows.

You are in my prayers.

[LEP Enterprises, LLC]

Sarah you are so brave, and you express yourself beautifully. I'm so sorry that this happened and ruined such a beautiful partnership. I hope some change comes from this.

[Silver Bells]

Sarah,
I finally read your post today. What a wonderful, courageous horse Lenny must have been. How lucky you were to have him in your life.

[awe]

Sarah;

Let me first express my deepest sympathies for your incredibly tragic loss. I can only imagine the depth of your suffering these past two days, and I know that you will continue to grieve in the coming days and months. But I hope that the outpouring of love and concern from others in our community will in some way ameliorate that grief, and help you as you move through this difficult process.

You have been foremost on my mind for the past two days since this happened, although I was unaware of who you were until I got home from WIHS and joined this forum. I was directly behind you in the schooling area when your horse was kicked, and I saw the entire incident in painful detail. In fact, I had to pull my horse's head aside to keep him from getting kicked, too, in all the chaos. It was a very traumatic experience for me, and as I was being consoled throughout the day, I could only think of you and what you must have been experiencing. I am glad to know that Lenny was so loved and treasured, and that he had you there in the end to so strongly and bravely assist him in passing. My heart just breaks for you. I am so glad to have the opportunity to say these words to you at last.

The horse that I saw kick yours was chestnut. I pulled up immediately, but once I saw several trainers run over to assist you, I quickly headed toward the ingate to call for a vet. I then exited the arena and encouraged others to do the same. I didn't know that the other rider never came forward, as I was focused on letting show staff know there was an emergency, then getting out of the way so that you and your horse could get the help you needed.

Unfortunately, I did not recognize the girl on the horse that kicked yours. I am appalled that she has not contacted you -- it was immediately obvious how serious the injury was. I would love to join you in your efforts to have schooling rules changed, as I will never, ever again enter a crowded schooling ring with my own beloved horse. I will also never return to this show as long as it is held at MCI center.

Please know that my thoughts and prayers are with you. I, too, will never forget Lenny.

[Coreene]

{{{{{{{{{{SARAH}}}}}}}}}}

Godspeed, Lenny. You gallop with the angels.

[Nikki^]

I'm very sorry for your loss Sarah. (((HUGS)))

[HOOF IT]

I agree with everyone that it is a shame that the girl on the horse that kicked Lenny has not come forward in some manner. I only hope and pray that her parents and her trainer are educated enough to realize what a vicious act this horse has just committed upon an innocent fellow equine. Horses know exactly where they are placing a hoof and with what force. I am thankful we are not discussing the injury or death of a human here, Sarah's leg could have been in the path of that deadly kick. Some of my "non horsey" family members think I am crazy, but my horses are thought of with the same respect as any other member of my family, two legged or four legged, large or small, when it comes to their care, health or injury situations they are all equal. Sarah, you have that same strong and dedicated love and care for Lenny, as you have so eloquently expressed. As do all of the fellow horse people posting on this BB. I am still numb over this incident. I too will think twice before entering a crowded schooling area.

[LH]

Sarah,
Please let me express my sincere condolences over this very sad and unfortunate event. As we all know, this type of accident can happen when horses are too crowded and cloistered together.

Although this may have been avoidable, I am sure that the rider of the horse that kicked out never intended this to happen. I would only surmise that the poor etiquette in not apologizing or somehow acknowledging this tragedy is probably motivated by guilt, embarassment and fear.

Exactly this incident is why I admonish other riders/horses to not get so close to me and my horse while schooling or at the ingate. The unpredictability of horses is precisely the reason for most of our safety and management issues.

Our thoughts are with you and your horse family.

[nelson]

Sarah - your words about Lenny were so beautiful they moved me to tears. I am so sorry for your loss. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif So many wonderful horses are waiting at the Rainbow Bridge, and now Lenny is among them.

[chawley]

Sarah, I'm so sorry for your tragic loss....I cannot imagine what it must have been like for you to experience something so terrible. I'm sure Lenny knew he was loved and I know that he's in heaven grazing and romping in lush pastures right now.

God bless you and hang in there.

[Skipper]

Sarah,

I also am sitting here at working with tears in my eyes reading your post. I have not yet read through all of the pages and do not know if the owner of the horse who kicked Lenny contacted you yet. I hope she does. Please accept my deepest sympathies for your loss. Hopefully, someone can remedy the situation so this does
not happen again.
C.

[Judi]

OH Sarah... there are no words to express the pain we all feel for you. What a lovely and brave horsewoman you are.... Lenny will be waiting for you at the rainbow bridge...

God bless you... and I pray the lovely memories you and Lenny shared will ease the pain of your loss in the years to come.

((((((((HUGS))))))))))))))))
judi

[Blinky]

I hate to ask this but...

Is it possbile that maybe the rider of the horse doesn't realize it was her horse that kicked Lenny?

[Jodes, Aefvue Farms Bartender]

hmmm, I would like to think that someone would notice when their horse kicks....and clearly Lenny was kicked w/ enough force that it dropped him to the ground.
Even if not sure, the right thing to do would be to stop and do ANYTHING you could.. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

[Blinky]

You are right. I guess I was just wondering if someone could be that oblivious as to what was going on.

[Jodes, Aefvue Farms Bartender]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Blinky:
You are right. I guess I was just wondering if someone could be that oblivious as to what was going on. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know, now that I think about it, I have come across many horse people who would be oblivious to something like that..

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif Sara...

[Fred]

dear Sarah
I am sitting here crying for you and your loss of your wonderful Lenny. Your love for him shines through in your words. I am so sorry for you and for him. I can only hope that the love you have for him, and the strength and courage you have shown, will help you through these sad days. Rest in peace, Lenny. godspeed.
Gail

[Ride'emCO]

My deepest condolences, Sarah, and let me echo the others who have commented on your tremendous strength in posting here.

I also agree with others who have posted that they should move this show back out of the city. The subject has been a riders' lament since the first year they has WIHS at MCI - it's just not an appropriate venue for a horseshow.

[Chef Jade]

Sarah,

I am so very deeply sorry for your loss, and am impressed with your courageous, and heartfelt post about Lenny. I, too had my horse soul mate taken from me very tragically. Though I am over the immediate heartache (its been several years now) I still live with the "what ifs" that could have possibly prevented his death.

In reading your story it sounds like you gave Lenny a wonderful life he never would have had if you didn't persevere through they difficult spells. Take comfort in the fact that while you were together, you did everything you could for him, and loved him so unconditionally. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif Forget about the "what ifs" and those last few tragic moments, and remember the years and years of happy ones.

[Feenikks]

There is nothing I can say that everyone else has not already said ... just want to let you know I am sad for you, for Lenny. It is hard to say and unexpected goodbye.

The young girl on the Chestnut horse: I am sure you may stumble upon this thread or someone that knows you will. Maybe someone or you will join in here, even if under an alter and just say one word: Sorry. I think that is all that is really wanted here. Nothing else can be changed now except to hear a sorry from you. I understand your feeling sad (which you should be) but think about how Sarah feels? And how Lenny feels. . .

I am sorry for your loss Sarah.

[AngelEventer]

I am soooo sorry! I still remember the day that I was told my horse had been kicked in the leg and had fractured it. thankfully it did not end the way yours did. Thats sooo sad! The same thing happened to a girl at USPC nationals in KY... her team was in first and her horse got kicked in stadium warmup I saw the girl walking back... it was sooo horrible!

My deepest condolances to you!

[QueenMother]

With all due respect, I think it is very possible that the girl on the kicking horse, in all the commotion, may not know it was her horse who injured Lenny.

Furthermore, I think that comments like yours, Leadliner Mom, that would put the big "chill" on someone coming forward to claim responsibility at this point.

Perhaps you didn't mean to, but your comments make it seem that the horse who did the kicking was "vicious" that somehow the rider was responsible or in some way could even have prevented the "vicious" kick. I think most people agree -- even Sarah -- that the accident was horrific, but an accident nonetheless; that a horse who had never kicked or kicked out or otherwise misbehaved might have done so in crowded, unfamiliar surroundings, at an unfamiliar time of day.

Please, Leadline Mom, don't think that you have to lead a lynch party to make Sarah feel better. It was an accident. It won't make the loss of Lenny easier to bear for you to create a monster out of a horse that someone else probably loves just as much.

[2Dogs]

What a deeply distressing story - and what a lovely, heart wrenching tribute Sarah! Your words to and about Lenny certainly make this sport and all horse lovers proud.

I am so sorry -

[HOOF IT]

NO NO NO NO NO I never meant this to be taken this way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am more concerned as a mother for the young rider on this horse that kicked than anything else. I hope they are cautious in the future, knowing that these horrible tragedies can occur out of the blue for no apparent reason.

PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

[QueenMother]

No Problem, Mom! It just struck me that way. I'm glad I was wrong!

[Roomfor2]

Sarah
I am so sorry for your loss. I was in tears while reading your lovely post. It is obvious you and this horse had bonded. I don't think I would have handled myself as eloquently as you did. I realize the situation with the child who kicked your horse has not resolved itself yet but I wonder if the child is scared to death and didn't tell. Maybe she thinks no one really saw who did it. Maybe her parent and/or trainer didn't see it. She will probably come forward in time - she just might be scared to death right now. Hang in there, my thoughts are with you.

[nycjumper]

While I don't want to sound callous, there may be legal reasons that the rider of the kicker hasn't come forward yet.

[inca]

Sarah - I am very sorry for your loss. I can only imagine how horrifying and painful it was for you. Lenny was lucky to have you as his owner. It is obvious you cared deeply for him and that you two had a strong bond.

I hope for your sake the rider does come forward. But, it sounds like it was truly a terrible accident with no one really to blame. If the rider was a child, she may be truly scared and not know what to do. And she may not even realize it was her horse if there was some chaos that started prior to her horse kicking Lenny.

I pray that both you and the rider of the horse that kicked Lenny can find peace and comfort.

[Black Market Radio]

Sarah, I am so sorry for your loss. I can't even imagine what you are going through right now. You are a well spoken and composed young lady. You must have a great support system. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Regarding the legal aspects, won't it be WORSE on the other party for not coming forward? Even just to the horse owner and her team?
If it were me, I would feel so bad and I would offer to pay for the damages my horse did.

I can't imagine someone would be completely oblivious to their horse kicking out. My mare used to kick out at loose dogs on the trail, and I most certainly felt even the slightest of kicks... And one would certainly think that the commotion afterwards would have brought it to that rider's attention as well that something had happened...

[LAD]

Sarah - I, too, wanted to offer my condolences for your loss. I can't imagine the pain and shock that you are suffering. To do it with such grace, as your letter has expressed, demonstrates what an exceptional young woman you are. My heart goes out to you.

[J. Turner]

Sarah, I'm so sorry for you and your Lenny. I can't imagine going through such a horrible experience with one of my boys. All my wishes of peace are with you.

Jessica

[RRB]

Sarah, I to am so very sorry for your loss. I can't possibly imagine what you are going through right now.

My experience is a very pale version of yours. My horse was also kicked in a crowded schooling ring. It was a small schooling show that we had entered to warm up for the season, and we were going into a flat class -- mellow hunters, no jumping. But the schooing area was small and crowded, and one horse got agitated about something, which caused a pile up. My horse ended up getting kicked in the leg. Fortunately, it was a glancing kick and he only needed 7-8 staples to put it back together.

What is worth noting is that the woman that was riding the horse that kicked mine had no idea that her mare had kicked my horse -- or that she had kicked at all. I had jumped off and was inspecting him when she turned around and asked me what had happened -- she just thought her horse had spooked.

So it is possible that this girl didn't realize it was her horse that had kicked, especially if he is a skittish horse that is prone to make erratic movements.

I am incredibly impressed with your ability to try to move on, without the apology. I know that makes it more difficult, and I applaud you for all you've done in a very tricky situation.

--R

[autumnfarms]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by QueenMother:
With all due respect, I think it is very possible that the girl on the kicking horse, in all the commotion, may not know it was her horse who injured Lenny. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I chose to respond to this because I too have thought about this possibility a great deal. In fact, I hoped for a long time that it would be the case. However, I have to conclude that it is simply an impossibility for the girl not to know. I was on the other side of the ring on my other horse (my trainer was on Lenny), when it happened, and I heard the sickening noise along with everyone else. The crack was so loud I at first thought it was metal hitting metal (peoples stirrups colliding was what came to mind). In addition, as "awe" pointed out, everything ground to a halt and everyone rushed to action. Those, on top of the facts that the arena was cleared for the ambulance, that the show began half an hour late, and that everyone present knew the outcome makes it impossible for the person or someone with her not to know.

A valid point was made along the way about the very understandable fear of a lawsuit. That was why I have tried very hard in all my communication to make it clear that I am NOT out for blood; just for an acknowledgement of the accident and ultimately changes that will benefit us all.

[Jodes, Aefvue Farms Bartender]

Sara-I have to agree with you. This is not a horse who kicked out "softly" the kick was violent enough to break bone. There is no way she wouldn't have know that "something" had happened-especially with the following chaos..

[nycjumper]

Sarah - I have sent you a pt.

[autumnfarms]

And now I am the one at a loss for words.

Except to say how moved I am by the outpouring of support and love -- for the tragic death of a horse belonging to someone else -- what a remarkable statement about the character of so many people! I have been unable to turn off my computer since I was directed to this forum 24 hours ago now. I have found such comfort in not only the poignant words of others with regard to loss and grieving, but also the hope that all the thoughtful suggestions bring for changing what is evidently a horribly flawed schooling "system" at this indoor show.

I am now going to turn off my computer and do what I know Lenny would recommend: rest my hooves for a while. To explain that seemingly odd statement; Lenny was very fond of naps, and at one show this summer scared the hell out of us by lying down fully caulked. He was also known to snooze between classes while wearing his magnetic blanket -- it looked so uncomfortable bulging out on all sides. But Lenny was wise that way, so we humans just adjusted our plans accordingly. After all, he was just saving his energy to give it his all in the ring. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

Sarah

[Jodes, Aefvue Farms Bartender]

allright, that did it..I'm crying. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Coreene]

Sarah, I was so moved last year by the outpouring of support I received from the members of this BB when I lost my beloved Willem. I am glad that you found some comfort at what is such a tragic time for you. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

[Gittyupp]

Dearest Sarah-

I am so sorry about the loss of your horse Lenny. Your posting was so powerful that it brought tears to my eyes. I must mention how well written it was and only pray it makes a difference in the horseshow world.

Please find some comfort in knowing that you had a special, amazing connection that most of us rider dream of. I believe Lenny will be smiling down on you and appreciated his last moments here with you.

Be stronge for him as he was for you. Good Luck!

[SBT]

To one Sarah from another (minus the "h")...I am so sorry for your loss. Though I have lost a horse to chronic illness, I've never experienced the nightmare of such a sudden, tragic accident. All I can say is that time does bring healing...and if your lovely grace and poise are any indicator, it will happen sooner rather than later. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

Remember that Lenny will always be with you, in the lessons he taught you and the love he gave you. Those are things that never die.

[TheOrangeOne]

Personally, if I had a stall, I would have no problem with schooling in teh ring the night before (after everything is over around 10) and then just havign a quick warmup before I go. I realize that WIHS has night time classes, but would this be a good idea for smaller shows, just to open the ring the night before and divide up the time? Like have the small kids go earlier, and have the divisions go up so that you dont have to worry about jump hieghts. Also, its usually more quiet at night. Then in the AM, just have a seperate place with 3 fences...

[AHorseSomeDay]

Sarah- I am so sorry about the loss of Lenny. My prayers go out to you your family, and to the people in the barn. Hopefully this tragic accident won't happen again. Again my condolences.

[awe]

Just a note of clarification...

Again, I was there, directly behind Lenny, when this accident happened. It is imprinted in my memory with painful clarity, as are most memories of a traumatic nature. The other horse kicked out very violently and dramatically (as a matter of fact, I recall that the rider was somewhat unseated from the thrust of it). There was a remarkably loud, horrifying sound, like a rifle shot. Lenny was on three legs. Trainers standing by the jumps immediately started yelling for everyone to stop. There is simply no way that the other rider was unaware of her involvement in the incident. No way whatsoever. Even if she rode on for a stride or two, she pulled up with everyone else only seconds later, and it was painfully obvious why everyone had stopped (I will not share the details).

I know it feels better to think she may not have realized what had happened, but I fully support Sarah in her conclusion that this is simply not possible. Whatever her motivation, she chose to hide in the crowd rather than to acknowledge her involvement. In my opinion, her only true wrongdoing is her silence.

[elizabeth]

Wait, wait, wait.

Did I read a prior post correctly?

The ring was about four strides by three strides and there were about FORTY horses in there? Is that right?

[Just My Style]

I am just so, so, so sorry to hear about this. After attending Washington, Harrisburg and the National (at MSG and the Meadowlands), I always wondered how it was even possible to school in such a set up. So devastating. Lots of jingles to you. Just know that Lenny will be met at the Rainbow Bridge by another friend, my short stirrup pony Honey Bear. Even though she will pin her ears back at him, she does it out of love. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

[QueenMother]

I think they were schooling in the main arena. The "schooling area" is just for the one or two jumps before a class.

[CBoylen]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by elizabeth:
Wait, wait, wait.

Did I read a prior post correctly?

The ring was about four strides by three strides and there were about FORTY horses in there? Is that right? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Those were the conditions in the warm up area that is directly in front of the ingate, while the jumpers were switching with the hunters at 5:45am. The hunters going out and jumpers waiting to go in created a bottleneck effect in the warm up area starting at the ingate of the main ring and reaching all the way back to the stabling and ramp area. The actual accident happened in the main area as I understand it (I did not personally see it happen), just after all the jumpers that had been waiting were let in. I just wanted to point out that the conditions were dangerous from the start, and very probably were what induced the horse to kick, since no one's horse was very pleased with the situation. It could have possibly been a worse (not that it wasn't bad enough) accident invovling several horses and people as well had it occured in that small space instead of in the main ring.

[houndsRus]

Sarah,

The hounds and I are so very, very sorry. You are an articulate and brave young woman with a heart of compassion. Lenny was a lucky horse to have shared your journey.

The hounds and I share your tears.

ol'hound

[Peggy]

Sarah -
Lenny was obviously a wonderful and well-loved and appreciated horse. I am truly sorry that you had to lose him so suddenly and tragically.

[elizabeth]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I would love to join you in your efforts to have schooling rules changed, as I will never, ever again enter a crowded schooling ring with my own beloved horse. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So, how crowded WAS the ring, then?

Anyone?

[Magnolia]

Sarah,
I think we all know here how special our horses are to us, and how special Lenny was to you. Our animals are very kind souls, capable of creating and maintaining very intimate relationships with us. To hear of such a tragic loss stirs us, knowing it could be our friend next. Many of us have lost pets, and be they dogs, horses, or cats, it can sting like nothing else, at a time when outsiders may not understand. But I think everyone here understands.

And one day, you'll feel Lenny's soul come round to make sure you are all right. And you will know then that everything will be OK. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

[cyberbay]

Sarah
My thoughts are with you...and "Lenny."

[Dom]

))))HUG((((
So sorry for your loss.

[PaintedWhisper]

Im so sorry for your loss, I cant even imagine how you must feel.


Just to clarify... I dont know if you can school in the ring at night at Washington, we always schooled very early in the morning there. But at Harrisburg you ARE allowed to school in the ring at night. Last year we schooled in there at around 11:30pm, it was me and maybe 2 other horses. Plus they have a very large warm up ring.

Having shown at Washington, the schooling situation (or any situation for that matter) is not good. The warm-up area is very small and has large pillars in it, as people have stated. With everyone trying to warm up at once, its very difficult. This ring though, is NOTHING compared to the chaos of morning schooling. I would say its probably 30-45 horses in the ring in the morning. Its almost impossible to do anything in there. Last year the large ponies had to school with the Bigeq kids, which is not fun. Mainly because of the schooling situation there, we did not even attempt to put my enteries in this year, and I cant say (especially after hearing about this incident) we ever will again.

[pooh]

OK, now that I'm done with the tears, let me add my condolences. I read the post when it first went up and then read through all the pages tonight. I can't believe that the rider on the horse didn't realize what happened- and if it was a childrens jumpers- wasn't a trainer or parent near by watching anyway and would of ween it happen. Although if they are concerned about coming forward and admitting- I would think in order to have peace with themselves an dthe whole incident that they would want to apologize. I can't imagine her going into another ring wondering if the other riders know it was her?? I can only hope that may be there are some other eyewitness' that may of seen her number.
As for schooling areas- with our local shows I can't remember how many times my horse and I have been collided into and had many near misses with a kicking horse. For safety-- there should be some type of mandate for all shows for safe schooling. Limiting amount of riders, types of riders, etc. I once did a AQHA show- on my horse when he was green. We actually took him just for schooling . OMG I thought I was going to have a heart attack- 50 or more horses doing everything- W/T/C, reining patterns, sliding stops and hacking over jumps!! I still vividly remember a reiner doing a sliding stop almost into me and my horse ( all we did the entire time was walk).
So I think it is a global issue that needs to be addressed- we now know of a horse that had to be put down- how many more have been injured ( or put down that we don't know of) and how many riders have been seriously injured. Our sport is one of risk- so we don't need to oncrease the risk factor though dangerous actions.

[Hopeful Hunter]

Sarah, there are truly no words that can be said at a time like this. My heart breaks for you and Lenny, and I can only send wishes that with time comes some peace from the many wonderful memories you hold in your heart.

Lenny will live on, not just for you but for many of us now, through your eloquent, gracious words of remembrance and mourning, words through which the grace and love both of you demonstrated shine through. As you learned from Lenny, we've learned from your outstanding character in this horrible time -- thank you for sharing that with us, and may you find some comfort for having done so.

[hunterested]

My heart has been so heavy all day with your painful loss. When all is said and done, I pray that you can focus not on the last day of Lenny's life but on all the great days you shared with your special "once in a lifetime" friend. Prayers be with you.

[IfWishesWereHorses]

Sarah, LIke everyone else, I am so sorry you lost your boy in such an accident.

It is through reading this post that I have realised something...last year I was lucky enough to attend the WIHS. With a couple of kiwi friends we wandered around, marvelling at the fact that all those horses were stabled in the STREET! We were imagining doing this at home (never would happen!). We saw the outside warm up ring, and there were only 2-3 horses in it. We thought that it was because it was so small that nobody else was in it...

We then saw the underground ring...and wondered what the heck all the horses were doing there. Thought it was some other sort of stabling area. Had NO idea till now that that was the main schooling area!! Holy cow!

We spent a while wondering where the *proper* warm up/schooling ring was...now we know...we were looking at it...

And yes, Meaty Ogre... the grand prix class that evening saw many horses slip and fall over as they came round the lower part of the arena. Eventually they dragged the arena again, which made a little difference but not before 5 or 6 horses fell/slipped badly.

I am now really amazed that this show has not seen a major accident before (or has it) and Im so sorry Sarah that it had to happen to your boy (or anyone's).

Sarah...maybe you could send your lovely letter in to the COTH to be printed in the magazine?

Here's hoping for some changes at the MCI.

[RegalBeagle]

Sarah, what a lovely tribute to your dear Lenny. I have been moved and touched by the warm rememberance of your equine partner.

Your composure and grace in addressing the circumstances I admire. My condolences.

I will also honour your request to provide suggestions for the management of horse shows.

It should be no surprise to any horse show manager about the number of competitors that want to school and prep before their classes, they have the entry numbers. To not organize and structure schooling times, leaving it to be a free for all, is a travesty. The management of horse shows has become so much more sophisticated to create conditions to cultivate the best performances. Please, apply that insight to the schooling. Previous posters have offered excellent examples of how to do it better. Let's hope that the minor logistical challenges will be dealt with to provide better and safer warm up conditions for the busy year end shows.

[JusJumpIt]

Sarah, I wanted to let you know "Lenny" is in good hands. This past year, I lost one of my best friends in the world. At 12 years old, Jesse was tomboy one day, running around in her socks, the next, a young lady, asking about Love and Boys. The first thing you notice about Jess was her ever-present smile, right from the heart. Her first horse was a Mustang, adopted at a BLM auction, right off the range. The $25.00 price was right. Rox Dene was not loved as much as this mare. Because the little mare had been wild so long she did not trust the "two leggs" trying to boss her around, but with Jesse, a totally different story. Jesse had just started showing her, the little mare was scared of all the noise and commotion, one word or rub from Jess and she would walk through fire. I was really mad at the "woman upstairs", a split second later and no accident. A rural road where you never see another car for miles and miles, and a sudden rain storm, when 1/2 mile away at the barn it was bone dry.
Why, why, why and no answers, I will have to wait to ask her. Everyday, please let your humans and horses know how much you love them. "Lenny" could not have a better Angel looking out for him.

[Carol Ames]

Sarah,how are you today? It takes a long time, but it does get better http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif , and, someday your heart will not http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif ache so. think of lenny head butting you!, and,if you find something funny , laugh, http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif it's good for the heart, and,the brain! hugs!

[Madame Butterfly]

Sarah, you have a PT.

[elizabeth]

Bumpkin, try to exercise good judgment. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
But if you want to PT me with the answer to my question, that would be useful. What you posted does NOT have the answer. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Al4Hokey]

Sarah,
Though i am only a kid i have always dreamed of being in the WIHS. You and all the other riders are my heros. I can't believe what has happened just thinking about it brings tears to my eyes. I dont know what to say to make u feel better other than i am sure that Lenny knows that you love him and u will always be with him. I do hope that the person comes out to you and gives you best wishes.
Take Care Sarah.
We all love you!
~*AL4Hokey*~

[Carol Ames]

very well said http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif Magnolia:I think we all know here how special our horses are to us, and how special Lenny was to you. Our animals are very kind souls, capable of creating and maintaining very intimate relationships with us. To hear of such a tragic loss stirs us, http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif knowing it could be our friend next. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif Many of us have lost pets, and be they dogs, horses, or cats, it can sting like nothing else, at a time when outsiders may not understand. But I think everyone here understands. yes, http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif and, now, can we all go and hug our horses,figuratively if neessary, and, tell them how much they mean to us http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif ? Lenny, and the others over the Rainbow Bridge http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif would be pleased!, and,think of how lucky we are to have foundoneanother(horses, and, humans),kindred spirits, http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif indeed!

[Bumpkin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by elizabeth:
Bumpkin, try to exercise good judgment. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
But if you want to PT me with the answer to my question, that would be useful. What you posted does NOT have the answer. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Why on earth would I PT an answer to a question that was posted to one and all? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif
I deleted my post before I saw yours Elizabeth, I am certain that CB states there were approx 30 horses waiting to go into the main arena when the hunter group left.
Actually I guess it doesn't matter if there 30 or 130 this poor girl lost her beloved horse, and that is what matters the very most.
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[elizabeth]

I don't see the part where CB tells us how crowded the ring was. Where do you see that?

Just so tragic, to be sure. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[xegeba]

Hopefully Lenny's death will not be in vain, and Sarah's suffering for naught. Hopefully, out of the thousands of people that have viewed this thread, that one of them can and will do something about the ridiculous conditions that a competitor and his/her horse are asked to prepare for and compete in at a Final. Such a waste.

[juniormom]

Sarah, I want to commend you on such an eloquent letter that you left at the ingate for the riders in the evening classes. You are a remarkable person to be so composed during such a difficult time. I truly don't know how you have done it....

One thought that has crossed my mind is that perhaps the children's jumper rider was in the ring schooling by herself - without a parent or trainer around. Many of the younger riders flat without the benefit of parents or trainers around. I am wondering if this is possibly the case. Maybe the trainer and/or parents have no idea that their rider/child was involved. I know there is the potential of the lawsuit issue, but I am wondering if this is a possibility as well. If so, this young rider will need counseling in the days ahead. I hope that she will find the inner strength to come foward, as it will bring some much needed closure to this for all of you.

I do believe that we need to all get together and DEMAND changes in the schooling areas and schooling times. Management will not know how we feel unless we speak up! Any animal, whether having a red ribbon in his tail or not, can be stressed in a situation such as this. They are unpredictable at times such as this. We never know what may cause them to do this, so we need to try to avoid these situations as much as possible. The big question is, where do we start? Do we begin by writing a letter to someone in particular and having an online petition demanding changes or what? Perhaps someone here has suggestions as to what we, as a group, need to do to support Sarah and begin the process of making changes. It needs to be started immediately - in Lenny's memory!

Sarah, please know that our thoughts and prayers are with all of you during this most difficult time and in the days ahead..... May peace be with you..... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[jumpergal]

Sarah, I'm so terribly sorry for the tragic loss of your beloved Lenny. The love between the two of you is obvious, and he knew he was loved up to the very end. I commend you on your strength and composure through this awful time.

My TB jumper was kicked in the leg by a kid on an out-of-control pony in the schooling area at a big show. Luckily he only had to be out of action for about a month or so. But if he had been kicked a inch higher or lower, he might have met the same fate as Lenny. And in my situation, the kid's trainer came up to me and apologized.

Hang in there and cherish all your wonderful memories of Lenny.

[Castlegate]

My sympathies to you a and Lenny....

[SR Rider]

Sarah's tribute was beautifully written...obviously from the heart. I am sorry for your loss.

A year ago a rider in dressage warm up of all things was out of control on her gray horse...I even told her once to "watch where you are riding". She loss control again, ran into me and my horse and we ended up being knocked to the ground. I was knocked unconscious..my horse okay. The at-fault rider never asked about me then or later in the show...I showed myself to be a bigger person by approaching her and asking if her show was going better. Her response was merely "yes". Her unsportmanship was further compromised by my finding out that she was blaming me and my horse for the accident. Come to think of it, I haven't seen her around at any of the shows this year.

[ShowBiz]

Sarah, I am truly sorry for the loss of your beloved boy -- this is heartbreaking. Your letter is very well written & will hopefully shine some light on this. RIP Lenny, you are now running free in the endless pasture in the sky. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

[JustJump]

There definitely should be some changes made to schooling area regulations in general. Too often it is a free for all and too few observe even basic ettiquette. Schooling and exercise are finite commodities when arena time is at a premium and numbers are large. Even back in the day when indoors were exclusive to the experts, the schooling situation was no picnic. But at least those horses were largely under the control of the experts, and accidents were few and far between. It's dangerous enough in a typical CH/AA schooling area when there is plenty of room and then some. Just a fact, folks. Now that everybody gets to play at indoors, certainly the situation should be examined accordingly. But, I repeat, at too many places, the schooling situation is simply an accident waiting to happen, and it wouldn't hurt to admit it and start looking for solutions.

[cgn38]

Please accept my condolences. I am so sorry for you and Lenny. But, Lenny is at peace - rolling, galloping and grazing in pastures forever green. I hope you find some peace in your memories.

[Catwoman]

Sarah--I am so sorry about the loss of your wonderful horse. Your memorial letter to us about him was beautiful, and I just pray that as time goes by the unfathonable hurt you are feeling will pass over to wonderful memories of Lenny.

I think your letter struck us all in clearly expressing that although we may be very proud of the achievements our horses may have, it is ultimately that wonderful partnership of being able to love and be loved by such a noble creature that has the deepest meaning. I really believe that our ability to love is often measured by how deeply we grieve.

I had a mare years ago that I lost in a different type of circumstance, and the woman responsible never called me, even though I had tried to contact her several times. I wasn't intending to be accusatory or anything like that. It bothers me to this day. I am wondering if in your case, this young girl just feels so sick and fearful over this that she can't bring herself to admit this to anyone.

I have been at horse trials were we have had assigned times. It wasn't ideal, but it worked. Maybe some of these shows are going to have to look into larger facilities.

[Ni]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JustJump:
There definitely should be some changes made to schooling area regulations in general. Too often it is a free for all and too few observe even basic ettiquette....at too many places, the schooling situation is simply an accident waiting to happen, and it wouldn't hurt to admit it and start looking for solutions. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree. This shouldn't have happened, it's so sad it did. Shouldn't the responsibility and liability lie with the horse show management?

Horses are animals and unpredictable, you can't guarantee that even the historically safest mount won't react negatively in certain situations. The girl on the horse that kicked shouldn't be blamed so quickly, because she didn't have much of a way to prevent what happened- the horse is a horse and acted like an animal.

The show management, however, does have control of the situation in the ring. They permitted the crowded situation which led to the incident. We have rules for driving so people don't hit each other, it seems like common sense to create generic schooling ring rules for shows that might prevent further accidents. This is not to say that rules would prevent accidents, because I've seen collisions where there were only 3 in the ring, but it might help.

[cgn38]

Since the time I was a young kid, I noticed the difference between he way show people act around horses, and the way race horse people act. I think more show people should remember that these are animals and can be unpredictable. I wish show people would be more cautious, give the horse more of the right away, and stop expecting these animals to be so accepting of the overcrowded, artificial and nerve racking environments to which we subject them.

[radar]

In response to the "Ni" who alledges that management is at fault, I disagree. The situation warming up there is a free for all, and ultimately, the riders are responsible for their animals. The proximity to other horses is controlled by the rider, and if the horse is unsafe in a situation or is likely to be a threat to other horses, it is the riders ultimate responsibility to avoid an accident, even if they are less prepared for the show ring than they should be. The safety of the situation is ultimately more important than winning. I'm really competitive... did I just say that?!? Yes I did.... and that is what I believe. I wasn't there that morning, but I rode in that ring the morning before, and it was wild, but the riders seemed to know when there horses were in danger of causing a real problem and did something about it at the time. One should not try to find fault with the group that enables the contact, rather one should find fault with the one who did not control their horse well enough.....

[Showpony]

This is VERY sad an unfortunate!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

It isn't always possible to know how horses are going to react in different situations. Maybe the horse that kicked had never done that before. It sounds like there were juniors and A/A riders in the ring. Some may not have a lot of experience in such small areas with so many horses.

When conditions are so crowded accidents will eventually happen, usaully not so serious ( I have seen many near misses!). The only way to have the best chance of preventing them is for show management to change the schooling situation. I think ultimately the show should do everything possible to make schooling as safe as possible. It is unrealistic to think everyone will use the same good judgement you would and always know how horses will act every second.

As for the horse who kicked, I wonder if they could be worried that they would be held liable and not want to step forward?

[*Angel33*]

I am so sorry for the loss of Lenny. I can realate to Sarah's experience because i have lost my horse, balaneigh(Phred), due to a kick out in the field that broke his leg. this experience has been rough for me and all of my friends and family and the support i have gotten from others has been great. i m happy that sarah has been able to use this board because i know how much it helped me. I am so sorry for your loss

[MCM]

I am so sorry. Hopefully some good will come out of the loss of Lenny.

[Riggs]

Sarah, I am so sorry. I just caught this thread tonight and my tears have joined everyone else's.

Perhaps Lenny will save others if warmup conditions are improved at these Indoors.
Then he will have had a magnificent purpose that as well as all the other wonderful things he was, will make him a true legend.

As for the other rider, of course I don't know but I certainly hope that it is not a situation of being coached for legal reasons....what kind of life lesson would that be to teach a youngster.... I hope that it is just some terrible feeling she is in, and that she will come forward soon to help give you closure (and probably for herself as well).

Godspeed Lenny and you too Sarah. You are lucky to have had Lenny but he is really lucky to have had you.

[horse_poor]

Oh Sarah, I am so so sorry http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Thank you for posting--you will find most of the people here to be a very supportive and caring bunch.

I am about 2 weeks ahead of you in the grieving process as I lost my best friend, Aero, about 2 weeks ago. Without the support and caring people from from this BB, I do not think I would have made it.

I understand, as others do as well, the numbness, pain, and agony you are feeling right now.

Your letter was wonderful and as others have said, perhaps something good can come of this. Willem has raised a ton of money for Cushings research and Aero is trying to kick some in as well, and I am sure Lenny will do what he can to alleviate these retched and dangerous schooling situations.

Lenny is excellent company now and I am sure he and Willem and Aero and the others are sitting about, having a cocktail.

Molly

[lewin]

I am so sorry for your loss.

Show management needs to care about the schooling arrangements. When the schooling is set up so that in order to school in the main arena you have to place yourself in an unsafe situation; there is fault in the management of the show.

The fact that there are so few accidents despite the conditions is a tribute to the ability of riders to control their horses. Safety is very strict in so many areas of horses...Why should schooling arena's be any different.

[JustJump]

&lt;&lt;Show management needs to care about the schooling arrangements. When the schooling is set up so that in order to school in the main arena you have to place yourself in an unsafe situation; there is fault in the management of the show.&gt;&gt;

From C. Boylen's description, it does seem that a bit of traffic flow management could have gone a long way toward making the situation safer. But from my observation of countless schooling areas through the years, things are not as safe as they could be largely through the fault of the exhibitors themselves and their trainers. No one has patience, everyone has to get to the schooling area FIRST, and stay there the LONGEST. If you have any doubt that mob psychology was the driving force behind the crush to reach the gate (despite the fact that apparently the exiting horses needed to occupy the same ground), consider the forces that come into play when the competition gate stands open waiting and even begging for an exhibitor to step through it when there is no posted order of go. These two scenarios (rush to school/then &lt;&lt;poof&gt;&gt; they're gone) repeat themselves quite often at shows throughout the year. Yes, management can and should step in to intervene early and often, particularly when it is a matter of safety. But more often than not, when management does so (and I'd imagine that the management at DC simply did not anticipate that exhibitors would find themselves in such a dangerous situation) there are more than a few exhibitors who either ignore the directives altogether, or pull a power play right back (how often have you heard "We brought "x#" horses here, you should be glad we came instead of trying to run our barn!"?). Managements across the board have become leery of running their own shows, unless the numbers are really on their side. Management does NOT want to offend exhibitors. And some exhibitors clearly take advantage.

None of these observations, of course, can possibly serve to make the loss of Sara's horse any less painful...but the possibility remains that any of us who have been less polite than they should have been in the schooling area could, with just a little bad luck, find themselves responsible for causing an accident that could have been prevented had simple consideration for others been a higher priority.

[wesierobb]

WELL SAID!!!!! Justjump, I think you have absolutely nailed the crux of the problem.

Perhaps with this tragic accident and the dialog it has induced, all sides will take a stronger look at what they can do individually and collectively to try to avoid anything like this horrible accident in the future.

[Riggs]

JustJump, I couldnt agree more! It's a tough situation. No show wants to be the first to regulate and tick off the income makers.

The obvious answer may be the toughest. Perhaps WIHS just doesnt have the appropriate facilities any more to host the ever growing number of exhibitors. This show is not alone in this kind of situation, but perhaps is one of the highest profile. Hopefully some good can come out of this if the show committee takes this situation to heart.

Since the hunter heights were lowered some decades back, the industry has grown tremendously in terms of numbers of exhibitors and inexperience of many of these exhibitors. I think Lenny has proven that what worked in the 60s wont work now.

I think that it is time for the umbrella equine organizations in both Canada and the US to step up to the plate and assist these shows, the exhibitors and their equine partners by creating a form of enforcement in terms of requiring stronger and safer rules regarding in/outgates, maximums in warmup areas, numbers of warmup areas per exhibitors in a division etc. since show management officials cannot/will not.

[Silver Bells]

I disagree with RADAR. I am not an attorney, but I believe that the Horse Show Management should be held accountable in some way. They control all aspects of the Horse Show including scheduling. The "schooling/excercise breaks" have always been a free-for-all. This problem is just accepted as the way it's done. Inadequate schooling breaks and conditions seem more prevelant at the indoor shows. This is something that has to be evaluated in ALL rated competitions. There needs to be some clear guidelines set forth ASAP. Also, if organizations are going to be associated with competitions, they should be held accountable as well.
So, in essence, Horse Show Management and the USAEQ need to facilitate changes and make sure conditions are safe and adequate. We all know there is a certain risk in this sport, however there are precautions that can be made!
Again Sarah, I am sorry for your loss, but maybe some good may come from this very unfortunate situation.

[QueenMother]

Again, with all due respect, and from my experience at WIHS (not this year, but at MCI two years ago), the early morning schooling is not really a free for all. There is a "referee", exactly as there is at Harrisburg for their early morning schooling, who calls out the direction of the flat work. No one can change direction unilaterally.

Only two or three jumps, in a line, in the center of the ring which few people use.

Also, the number of horses is "sort of" regulated by the fact that the stabling at WIHS is limited to those showing on the days of their schooling.

Finally, where the horrible accident happened, the schooling is not the same really crazy free-for-all that you see at places like the Barracks in Charlottesville or Lexington (VA) where there are horses doing flat work, horses and ponies doing courses, single jumps, etc., and a dozen different trainers in the ring screaming directions to a hundred different people.

even at Culpeper, where there are large and several schooling arenas, someone bumped Betty Oare a year ago, knocked her off her horse, and she suffered broken bones.

I agree with the movement for schooling changes overall. The current practices make what is an inherently dangerous sport even more dangerous.

I agree that there should be clear cut guidelines that are actually ENFORCED just as strictly as drug rules and eligibility requirements.

I agree with whoever suggested it be called "Lennie's Law."

[Drifter]

Sara-

As I try to write this between tears, please accept my deepest condolences. Your heartfelt post was extremely well-written during such a difficult time and obviously touched many. It certainly sounds like you and Lenny had a very special bond which I'm sure will stay with you forever. I'm so sorry for your loss.

[horseygurl182]

I am so sorry for your loss. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif It seems like you and Lenny had something very special with one another, just try to remember all the good times you had with one another (it seems like there were many). Losing a horse can be one of the hardest things in life one can go through (I lost one of mine about 3 years ago). Lenny is now in heavan, munching grass with all the others who have crossed the rainbow bridge. Again, I am so sorry for your loss.

[findeight]

My condolences to you on the loss of your partner.

Horses are large and their strength is great, not matched by their intelligence...this was an accident and I see no blame. 'course I would have known if mine had done it and been the one cradling that leg until the vet came. Had my checkbook out for the vet bill too. However I like to think I could have avoided the situation in the first place by controlling my mare and watching where I placed her in relation to others, even tho she's never kicked.

Management may be able to review the whole schooling scenario but certainly bears no liability, nor should they, for a horse being a horse. People do get kicked all the time and schooling ring accidents are common, even with only one or two in the ring. There have been other serious ones, remember Betty Oare's collision that put her in the hospital?

One thing I do find a possible cause is those that forget that when you show at a venue like this and on a circuit like this, you need to be able to go in and show almost from scratch.
Used to be everybody knew how tough a multi use stadium was to show a horse in and you just didn't go unless you were rock solid in whatever you competed in...because you KNEW there was virtually NO WARM UP other then a trot around a pole in a pen under the stands.

I never showed at indoors and don't ever plan to, but I showed at the Los Angeles Forum and the Houston Astrodome. Got up at 3am for a brief spin around the ring but that was about it.

In short, IMHO, don't go to these things if you need a ton of schooling to work up your nerve to go in the ring. Sounds like way too many were trying to do way too much instead of just a brief school and this might have contributed to the large crowds in the ring.
Add show nerves and, maybe, a lack of preparation on the part of some and you get chaos for those that do belong and are just trying to get a few minutes in.

Facilities like this are simply not available before the show due to tight schedualing of other events and you just cannot count on anything other then a warm up. Unless you want to require tighter qualification criteria to show at these venues the only solution would be a ticketed and timed warm up with a referee, a gate man and a steward.

[Magnolia]

That's a great point, Findeight. I know when I showed that the schooling and warm up were so stressful to me that they didn't even benefit me at all. I wonder how many people would do BETTER if they skipped the schooling and just did a simple WTC each way, pop over 2 crossrails school?

But from this whole WIHS scenario, it doesn't even sound like the most basic warm up was safe. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

[findeight]

Yeah, I figure that if I need more then a physical warm up for myself and the horse-which is, like, 15 minutes-I don't go to a show like this.

Problem is most of the exhibitors in that ring were probably on well schooled animals and just trying to get a spin around the competition arena in with a low jump or two. I've heard from one or two that this was a mess with some not qualified to be there (based on riding ability and common sense)trying to teach the horse something complicated by "trainers" trying to teach a student something they should have mastered long before arriving here.

It's well and good to say you'll simply leave if it gets that bad but sometimes you HAVE to get a little work in and get caught in a bad situation like poor Lenny did.

All I can hope is that all who saw what happened learn from it and think about crowded situations and horses.

Other then that, it's not going to result in any big changes because the problem will never go away as long as two horses are within a few feet of each other.

[Melzy]

Dear Sarah, you have my sincere condolences. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif Hugs for you. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

I am really surprised to learn this tragic news about Lenny. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif I just got home an hour ago from being there for 4 days. I worked with 2 vets and neither one said a word to me about the accident. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif My hours were 7am - midnight. I am truly sorry for your loss. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

[radar]

Findeight has the most sensible approach to this whole situation. I totally agree. It's still extremely unfortunate physically for Lenny, and emotionally for Sarah that this happened. Again my feelings are there for you, Sarah... Lenny is probably in a wonderful place having a wonderful time!!!!

[Ben and Me]

You've also got to remember that sometimes Indoors results in new partners--I.E. a rider buying a horse that is already qualified (and perhaps which they could not have themselves qualified???)

So, it isn't always the cream of the crop riders competeting, just the cream of the crop horses.

[Silver Bells]

Regardless of who is there any why... If a facilty cannot accomadate certain numbers of horses and riders at various times, then schedule according to capacity. C'mon this ain't our first time at the rodeo.
I also choose to avoid crowded schooling/excercise breaks. I had one close call, and that did it for me. If my horse can't go cold... he's not going.

[CBoylen]

For those that simply wouldn't ride in the morning, keep in mind that there is NO WHERE else to ride. You lunge your horse during 1-5am or you don't do it at all. You ride your horse during 5-6:30am or you don't do it at all. You do neither of these things, and it's a pretty good bet that your horse goes like crap at 4pm when you take it out of its stall to show it, particularly since you get pratically no warm-up directly before you go in the ring. Most people are NOT jumping or training in the morning riding hours, they are simply trying to put some prep into their horses and let them see the spooky ring.

[WWCountry]

OK, I'll probably get flamed for this but here we go anyway.... IMO there are participants (riders and trainers) at these qualifying indoor shows (PNHS, WIHS, Capital Challenge etc..)that have gotten qualified at some smaller horse shows and don't have proper "schooling ring etiquite" I'm not talking about the pro divisions, just the jr/am.
ones. These participants don't always understand how this environment can upset a horse and they don't prepare them properly. You really need an experienced team to get to the ring safely and prepared. Schooling at indoors will always be a challenge and I think management tries to control things as best they can. It's the competitors that need to be reminded about safety--not just their own, but those of fellow competitors. They need to police themselves and have the common sense to leave the schooling area if they are not in control of their animal.

[Showpony]

IMO the MCI cener is a horrible place for a horse show in all aspects! I used to go to the Capital Center and watch several times during the week, I loved it.

I went to the MCI Center to help ride some a couple years ago, in the wee hours of the morning, and I never want to go back! Some friends were going to watch and asked if I wanted to go with them...NO THANKS!!

Could they possibly work out some kind of ticketed warm up? That way at least everyone gets a few minutes in the ring. Or limit it to a certain number at a time?

It seems like I have heard some shows don't allow schooling in the rings for insurance reasons. The problem with the WIHS were it is, there is NO where else to really ride.

[Magnolia]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>"schooling ring etiquite" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Some of these places (not just prestigous indoors!) all of the schooling ring etiquette in the world won't help. It's just a case of too many horses, not enough space. It's kind of like rush hour - yeah, you can be courteous, but when the roads are at over capacity, there is nothing you can do about it.

[findeight]

Maybe this is going to turn into a show managers stuffing too many horses into a show venue discussion...not that it makes them liable for a horse getting kicked and that's not what I'm getting at.

Maybe, in trying to accomodate too many divisions they are overstressing the available square footage?

Used to be Indoors was only for the elite level competitor, usually required a stiff qualification to get there and not that many could make the cut.
I guess it's easier to get to now and maybe it should not be given the challenges of this kind of venue.

One AA show I attended had 7 rings going...and THREE of them were 2'6" and under and had enormous classes of Baby Green, Hopeful Hunter, Unrestricted, Suitable Hunter and the Intermediate and Special classes. At best these were Green riders/horses and at worst combined the two for a truely scary warm up ring situation.

Just something to think about. Maybe different levels of riding and training can NOT safely share the same space.

[QueenMother]

Findeight -- Indoors is still for the elite rider/horse teams. Where did you get the idea that it's not? It simply is not the "AA" show that youcomplain about.

While WIHS has a children's hunter and a children's jumper classic, as well a an adult hunter and jumper classic, these events are by qualification only, as well. These are four two round classics and take place on the first Tuesday and Wednesday only, at the beginning of the evening portion of the show.

Harrisburg also has a children's/adults championship.

There simply aren't any un-rated or non-traditional divisions (other than the two-round, 1 day children/adult classics) at Washington.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that management is trying to stuff too many divisions or too many people into the show or into the venue. If anything, Washington gets smaller every year.

[TSWJB]

sarah,
i am so sorry to hear of your loss of lenny. my condolences go out to you.
as far as the schooling, why is the ring open from 1-5 am for lunging and then riding is allowed from 5 - 6:30am? lunging takes up alot of space and time and can be dangerous. i think i remember from last years M&S finals that there was no lunging allowed. if the show ends at say 11pm, why can't the ring be open from 11:30pm until 6:30 am with no lunging allowed. isn't all this lunging crippling our horses anyway? if a horse is frisky, get on his back and canter him around until he is tired if you must. this doesn't take up half the room that lunging does. if the ring was open for 7 hours for riding, then there would be plenty of time to school without 30 other horses in the ring. i schooled at leisure the day before the M&S finals started at 7:30pm. then i got on my horse 10 riders out of my class which was held at around 1pm the next day. this was sufficient schooling. if your horse needed more, then you could school at say 5am. i actually went to check on my horse at 2am one of the nights and saw the ring had one rider in it. WHY is this not possible at the other indoors? this would alleviate the rediculous schooling with 30 horses in it.

[cristishell]

Sarah, I'm deeply sorry for your loss.

One of the things I thought of while reading everyone's comments about which to blame was...why do trainers not teach people how to ride SAFELY with others in the ring. So many people want to take lessons individually so that they get their trainers "undivided attention" but my thought is that trainers should also encourage their students to ride in groups situations. Or maybe not in a group lesson type situation but allow others in the ring at the same time a lesson is going on. That way, they not only learn how to ride with others in the ring safely but how to stay out of the way of a dangerous situation. I know during my first time riding in a ring with others, it scared me to death. I wasn’t sure which side to pass on, what was appropriate, or how to get out and prevent running into someone else. It was a huge eye-opening experience. I also think that trainers should look out for the best interests of their students by not letting them go in a crowded warm-up ring. After all, which is more important, riding well or riding safe? I personally rather ride safe. Please don't take this as an attack on trainers. That's not what I'm getting at. I just think (kids especially) look up to their knowledgeable trainers for instruction and guidance.

On another note, what would be the harm of everyone writing a letter in Lenny's memory asking for more rules on the safest number of horses and riders in a ring based on the size of the ring...kind of like the fire marshal’s rules on the number of people safely in a certain size building.

Anyway, these are just thoughts that I wanted to get others opinions on

[ccoronios]

Sarah, I have just read/skimmed the entire 11 pages.
First - let me send you a big hug. I can't imagine your horror and grief.
Second - I'm dismayed by the lack of contact from the young lady whose horse kicked yours. A few reasons for her silence have been offered - and even if the reason is fear of litigation, SOMEONE should have said something.
Third - as long ago as I remember, schooling has all-too-often been a truly scarifying experience. I recall watching one jumper include the rear end of a competitor in an oxer at Jericho. And two horses jumping the same fence from opposite directions. And other such amusements. It seems that show management SHOULD be ultimately responsible for schooling; especially at these indoor shows with horrendous conditions, there should be a set schedule separated by division/ability level. And I agree with findeight's comment that the indoor shows used to be a showcase of the elite. Sure, there is still a qualification required for all divisions, so ostensibly, only the best get to go. But I suspect that findeight's definition of 'elite' is more based on more advanced divisions/riders - i.e., the days of 3'6" First Year horses or Juniors/AOs being the 'least experienced' in the ring.

At any rate, dear Sarah - my heart goes out to you. Keep the sweet memories - eventually, the horror of last week will fade.

[AHC]

Sarah, let me reiterate what others have already said so well -- it sounds like you dealt with an impossible, tragic situation extremely well. I do hope the person whose horse kicked yours eventually comes forward.

In the meantime, my heart breaks for your loss.

[Pocket Pony]

What a tragedy and I'm so sorry for your loss.

This would be an interesting topic on its own, though. Having not spent much time showing, and being a "fairweather" competitor, I don't understand the interest in participating in a show that is run this way. Can anyone enlighten me? For me, the whole experience should be fun (maybe that answers part of my question - I don't make a living in the horse world), and be it weather, warm-up conditions, footing, or atmosphere, if a show doesn't offer what I want then I won't consider it.

Why do you competitors put yourselves through this mayhem? And I may get flamed for saying this, but no wonder people drug their horses if this is what they have to deal with... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[ComingAttraction]

Sarah, I am so sorry for your loss. I said goodbye to my partner of 17 years 2 years ago and still think of her every day. We grew up together & shared many wonderful experiences.
I would like to say that I agree with most that the schooling situation is horrible and has to change. I also agree that the overall quality of riders has gone down. Do not get me wrong, there are many great riders that qualify, but far more great riders that do not qualify due to lack of funds.
I do not feel that schooling ring accidents are necessarily the trainers fault(because they didn't teach their student how to steer). Their are many people out there that even though they have been taught how to drive by a knowledgable person still S*CK!!! Some riders are the same. Why is it always the trainers fault? People are always http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif looking for someone to blame.
Schooling is dangerous because of the conditions. Too many horses not enough space. I think that it is an excellent idea to have schooling for more hours. Make people sign up for certain time slots and spread out the masses over several hours. This solution seems too simple. Why can't this be done?

[Flash44]

Sarah, I'm very very sorry for your loss. You and Lenny were fortunate to have found each other and his big heart was most likely a result of your big heart.


I have just a few observations about horses and showing in general. I also have a race track back ground. If it has legs, IT KICKS. If it has teeth, IT BITES. Period. When I was on the track, it was the riders or handlers fault 99% of the time if a horse got kicked. The rider and handler are responsible for keeping a horse far enough away from other horses so no contact is made. It's disgraceful that a big show cannot provide safe and effective warm up areas for the competitors to properly prepare their horses for top level competition. If a B show or a schooling show had these warm up conditions, would you go back? Hell no. You have to expect horses to act like horses, and putting horses (with any level rider) in these conditions is a recipe for disaster.

[Catmansmom]

Sarah,

My deepest sympathies for your lost. You sound like the deeply caring and responsible horse owner that every horse should wish to have.

[knowonder]

Sarah:

My deepest sympathies...now words can bring Lenny back, but perhaps changes can come of this tragedy to prevent others from suffering such a terrible terrible loss.

My thoughts and prayers are with you.

All my best,

Sara

[autumnfarms]

Hi everyone:

First of all, you should know that Sheila Johnson -- the chairperson of the WIHS -- has expressed her sadness to me and her intention to prevent accidents like this one in the future. I sincerely hope she will join me in the effort to do something about schooling conditions, at her show and others. I have had quite a few people urge me to pursue "Lennys Law". It seems to be a popular notion.

These past days have been just awful; reading your messages of support and your suggestions about how this horrific thing can be turned into some good has made them slightly better. I am trying to focus on this, collecting your thoughts and suggestions, and trying to come up with a proposal that is fair to everyone, including show management.

A few thoughts:

I went to Harrisburg and Capital Challenge before this show, and rode during the identical time window. Was it busy? Yes. Was I concerned that it seemed out of control or dangerous? No. The difference was that from the moment we were mounted there were schooling supervisors/stewards watching carefully. Not only did they call for changes of direction, but at one point suggested that a rider take his/her horse out to the other schooling area and return after it had settled. There were the same three jumps, and people were able to catch them a few times without problem. The other thing that I sensed at Harrisburg and the Capital Challenge was that many more professionals were riding in the group or were present on the ground. The schooling session at Washington was chaotic from the start and I even remember looking up and searching the stands for a steward. There was no feeling of camaraderie; the "mob psychology" analysis is a perfect one. I guarantee you that had the accident not happened so quickly, my trainer and I would have decided that getting in the ring was not worth such havoc and moved to the tiny area just to get some work done before the show started. I think Chanda makes a valid point -- and one that lies at the center of the dilemma with the WIHS -- unlike the other indoor shows there is nowhere else to ride larger than a postage stamp. Everyone who made the effort and spent the money to come is not going to miss the only opportunity to get some actual work done with their horses before they are stuck back in their stalls possibly for hours.

I think that the idea of a ticked warm-up is a good one; the idea of the show figuring out a way (read: paying officals for extra hours) to allow riding throughout the night is even better.

I think that in very much the same way the fire marshalls come up and down the isles to check for hazards amid the hay, shavings and extention cords, we also should have a basic idea of how many horses can be allowed in the alloted space at any given time.

That's all for now. Thank you.

Sarah

[Plumcreek]

Sarah, you are quite extraordinary.

It seems to me that the ONLY reason to have a horse show in non-horse venues like WIHS, is to showcase horses to the non-horse public. This means that there must be large crowds underwriting the show expenses - qualified exhibitors would pay modest fees and endure such conditions for the greater exposure of the sport. I do not think this is the case. The reality is that EXHIBITORS are paying for these shows. So, WHY would anyone consider the "prestige" worth attempting to school and show under such conditions?? Management is being paid from your money. Please be loud and vocal in insisting that they find a way to put on a better and safer show for you and your horse. "Lenny's Law" sounds like a good start.

[Tiramit]

Dearest Sarah,

I just saw this thread and, like other posters, am bawling over your tragic loss. You have handled the situation with grace and your posts have ensured that gallant Lenny will live on in all our memories. Great horses never really leave us - he'll be with you forever. Thank you for sharing a little about him with us. An earlier poster suggested that you send your beautiful letter to the COTH. Please do so as it will catch the eyes of more people who may have missed this thread.

As for the WIHS, the showing conditions at the MCI center shocked me when I was there a couple of years ago. How can athletes be expected to perform at their best under those conditions? It isn't fair to the horses or the riders to expect flaw-free performance and manners when the environment itself is flawed. Sadly, Lenny paid the dearest price for that environment. The one bright spot in this dark cloud is that Lenny's death could bring about a change that will help future competitors.

Sarah, I'm so sorry for your loss. Lenny and you had a wonderful time together and achieved so much as a team. This was not a fair way to lose him. We can all hope that "Lenny's Law" gathers steam and instigates change for the good of all show teams.

[incentive]

Sarah, I am in awe of how you are handling this horrible event and the loss of your beloved boy. My heart goes out to you. You and Lenny were lucky to have had each other. As others have said much more eloquently than I, let us hope that something beneficial will come out this. "Lenny's Law" is certainly a starting point. It speaks well for Sheila Johnson that she contacted you. Perhaps thought will be given to moving WIHS to the Prince George venue---certainly a much more horse friendly location. I do understand the desire to not let WIHS perish as a Washington event; but as the numbers decline, I think keeping horses and their owners/riders safe and happy AND continuing to have the top combinations desire to compete there are much more important. We all know that the schooling area at any show has potential danger. Just ask Betty Oare! But steps toward a safer, saner environment must be taken. Many {{{{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}}} to you as you cope so admirably with your loss.

[katbaer]

Dear Sarah,
My heart goes out to you and everyone who knew and loved Lenny. Your postings are lovely and beautiful tributes. There is not a doubt in my heart that Lenny felt how much he was loved, admired and appreciated.

Much love,
Kathe

[JAGold]

Sarah, I'm so sorry about your horse, and I, too, am amazed at your grace in such a difficult situation.

I went into NY to watch the evening session (junior/AO and open jumpers) on Friday evening. I noticed that half or more of the horses had red ribbons in their tails. I've never seen so many horses with red ribbons and can only imagine that the accident is fresh in everyone's mind, and that people really are being cautious as a result. --Jess

[Other]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JAGold:
Sarah, I'm so sorry about your horse, and I, too, am amazed at your grace in such a difficult situation.

I went into NY to watch the evening session (junior/AO and open jumpers) on Friday evening. I noticed that half or more of the horses had red ribbons in their tails. I've never seen so many horses with red ribbons and can only imagine that the accident is fresh in everyone's mind, and that people really are being cautious as a result. --Jess <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Interesting observation! I would imagine that is a very possible explanation...I rarely see people make use of the red ribbon unless in extreme cases.

[Addison]

Dear Sarah, I am so sorry to hear of the tragic death of your horse Lenny. I am glad you were able to comfort him in his distress and that there are so many people here to send you their warm thoughts and support. My thoughts are with you and your trainer as you endure this terrble time. Elizabeth

[Mardi]

I am so sorry to read of your tragic loss, and I hope you know that so many, many people are with you and will support your efforts to make horse shows safer for horses and riders.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BustersMom:
At the Quarter Horse Congress when we took our jumper, we had assigned schooling in the indoors arena.

I believe that one of our times was at 2:15 am. No, I didn't like going to bed, setting the alarm, getting up and schooling and going back to bed but the horse got in the arena under safe conditions and we had some schooling jumps. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Any show management that would require it's exhibitors and horses to school at 2 in the morning should be fired. If the venue is so inadequate that they have to resort to that, it's a sign that the show should be held elsewhere.

Yes - I've heard this story before about the big QH shows and others... it's ridiculous and there has to be a better solution.

On the WIHS website, they said their entries were going to be bigger than in past years...over 500 horses I think it said. But after reading the posts from people who were there, it sounds as if the numbers are dropping, not growing.

[JustJump]

&lt;&lt;Any show management that would require it's exhibitors and horses to school at 2 in the morning should be fired. If the venue is so inadequate that they have to resort to that, it's a sign that the show should be held elsewhere.&gt;&gt;

Mardi: Reality check time. No one is ever "required to school." If you have morning, afternoon, and evening sessions at which the paying public is expected to appear, the times designated for schooling are necessarily limited. The 2am schooling is certainly optional as well as a creative effort by management to allow those who simply MUST school to do so. Competing in an urban arena is a very big challenge. Some horses and riders are simply NOT equipped to meet the logistical demands that are part of the deal, and these should simply stay home. No one has ever been forced to compete, anywhere. Going through that in gate is an OPTION. It's no surprise that owners/riders/and trainers can be unrealistic about the ramifications of taking that option, now that "anyone" can fill out an entry blank and go to indoors. Bottom line is, if a horse NEEDS that much schooling, he's a bad candidate to take to indoors if you're not willing to accept the 2am schooling slot as a given.

[california rider]

sarah,

I am so impressed at your spirit and maturity in the middle of something so horrific. IN a society of sue happy people your are a inspiration.

Nothing can bring you Lenny back but surely the thought of this not happening to another horse with new policies in place must help drive you!

Best of luck with the Lenny law!

[cristishell]

Oh Sarah,

I've been thinking about you a lot lately and I'm glad to see you are still being brave and fighting for "Lenny's Law". I wish you the best of luck with it.

On another note, have you heard anything from the girl, parents, or trainer of the horse that kicked Lenny?

Best wishes,
Cristi

[sagebrush]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BustersMom:
At the Quarter Horse Congress when we took our jumper, we had assigned schooling in the indoors arena.

I believe that one of our times was at 2:15 am. No, I didn't like going to bed, setting the alarm, getting up and schooling and going back to bed but the horse got in the arena under safe conditions and we had some schooling jumps. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Any show management that would require it's exhibitors and horses to school at 2 in the morning should be fired. If the venue is so inadequate that they have to resort to that, it's a sign that the show should be held elsewhere.

Yes - I've heard this story before about the big QH shows and others... it's ridiculous and there has to be a better solution.

On the WIHS website, they said their entries were going to be bigger than in past years...over 500 horses I think it said. But after reading the posts from people who were there, it sounds as if the numbers are dropping, not growing.[/QUOTE]

Mardi,
If you have ever been to the QH shows like World Youth World and Congress in its better days, 500 horses is nothing!!!!

They assign these times in the middle of the night to provide a safe environment for horses and riders. I have never had any complaints knowing that my horses have a relaxing school with plenty of space. Riding areas are often limited at indoor venues and if this is what it takes than this is what it takes!

Give management credit for caring enough to have night shifts to make sure that everyone is safe and not crammed into a clusterf%^*&K

[DMK]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sagebrush:
Mardi,
If you have ever been to the QH shows like World Youth World and Congress in its better days, 500 horses is nothing!!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen. More like over 500 horses in the reining class alone, and I remember a jr. pleasure class at 300 horses.

You always have the choice NOT to attend the show if you don't like the conditions, but I would far rather see safe(r) conditions at odd hours than unsafe conditions at "easier" hours. Just let the participants know the plan in advance and they can make a decision accordingly...

Sagebrush, that's a "fustercluck" you are talking about! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[sagebrush]

Oh thanks...SOmetimes I get befuddled