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Aptor Hours
Jun. 1, 2005, 10:27 PM
What did you think of the eventer on the new show of Mom and Das on Bravo? I liked it and feel bad for the girl who may have to sell her horse because her parents decided to get divorced.

Aptor Hours
Jun. 1, 2005, 10:27 PM
What did you think of the eventer on the new show of Mom and Das on Bravo? I liked it and feel bad for the girl who may have to sell her horse because her parents decided to get divorced.

BigRuss1996
Jun. 2, 2005, 04:43 AM
OMG!...that is FINALLY on?? When was it?? They filmed some of that at our barn!! It was so awful the girl found out somone wanted to buy it and was hysterical (for real not in the show...like while they were filming) and she just wanted to spend some time ALONE with her horse so she turned off the little microphone on the thing they put on her and they got pissed at her and said "amercica wants drama they don't want to see some happy kid with her horse. Anyway.....we have all been dying to know when it came out...... I can't believe I missed it!!...damn.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aptor Hours:
What did you think of the eventer on the new show of Mom and Das on Bravo? I liked it and feel bad for the girl who may have to sell her horse because her parents decided to get divorced. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

UmassGecko
Jun. 2, 2005, 04:53 AM
It is repeating again today at 11 AM and tonight at 5 PM. Also, on Friday at 5:30 AM and 7 PM. There are a lot more repeats (it's going on all weekend too) but I don't think the board wants all of them. (These are all eastern standard time as well.)

eventer4ever
Jun. 2, 2005, 05:22 AM
I have ridden with that girl's trainer, Nancy Cole. She's awesome. I also know the 2 girls, Karli and Karoline. I didn't know anything about it, so you can imagine my surprise when I saw some people I knew on Bravo!

I did read on the Ethel Walker results that there was another girl from their barn that was riding Disco A Go Go at their combined test a few weeks ago. I know that girl was horseless......maybe she ends up with Disco?

Oh yea.....and all those XC fences they showed, I've jumped them! So has AppJumpr08.....she was with Nancy for a summer.

Aptor Hours
Jun. 2, 2005, 06:36 AM
Oh wow Erica I didn't know you knew the girls! I thought of you and Joe during the shoe and feel so bad for the girl. Why are her stupid parents getting divorced

Erica ...good luck at your show this weekend...kick butt http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

AppJumpr08
Jun. 2, 2005, 06:54 AM
I can't believe that they made it on air!!! *note to self to watch..* I was at the barn the night the producers came to meet Karli and Karoline...
Erica - who was riding Disco at the CT? Someone from Nancy's? If I had won the lottery, that horse would've been mine in a heartbeat!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

eventer4ever
Jun. 2, 2005, 07:19 AM
Jess- Courteny Brines. Didn't she used to own Which One's That? Who now belongs to a girl named Rebecca Gray and was ridden 2 yrs ago by Erika Smith. Courteny had to sell Which One's That when she went to college. Maybe she convinced her parents to buy her Disco? I have to do some more research...

Disco is a super nice horse though.

Jess-where are you now?

DillansMom
Jun. 2, 2005, 08:55 AM
So she does actually lose the horse?

I don't think I want to watch if she does...

AppJumpr08
Jun. 2, 2005, 09:05 AM
Erica,

Yup Courtney had Which Ones That...I would think maybe she was just riding Disco at the CT to advertise, as she's pretty tall and he's not the biggest boy in the world...but I could be wrong! I'll see Nancy next week, so I'll ask.
I'm still ad Ken and Suzanne's...moving to my place by july 1st http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BigRuss...you are at Nancy's? Or Bruce's? Have I met you? Can be such a small world... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It's really funny how people change their personalities for the camera......

Pol
Jun. 2, 2005, 01:39 PM
Hey!! I know all those gals!!!! It is on in 20 minutes!

AngelEventer
Jun. 2, 2005, 01:48 PM
On Comcast Cable... what channel is BRAVO? I'll probably be yelled at for watching TV and not being outside... but its for a good reason?! I guess... lol

Scaramouch
Jun. 2, 2005, 05:54 PM
That's really depressing. I'm wondering, though, how hard did she really try to keep her horse? It seems to me that there could have been several alternatives to selling, but I don't really know the situation. I guess I'll see as the show progresses. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

Platinum Equestrian
Jun. 2, 2005, 08:11 PM
The girl is cute... mother says anything is fair game as finances are tight because of the divorce. It'll be interesting to see if horse is sold. They showed him stopping at a couple of fences, he looked dirty to me. Trainer made an interesting comment on the preview of the next show. She says, "it's not the end of the world, for me... but for her it sucks". Hello, it's not about you woman, it's about the girl! Get a clue. Mom was kind of wierd acting as were most of the others on the show. Isn't that the point?

mcm7780
Jun. 2, 2005, 08:39 PM
I just read the blurb they wrote about them -- I can't believe the mom took out a second morgage to buy a horse!!! That's serious!

This is going to sound harsh and I don't mean it to be, but the girl says selling the horse will mean the end of her Olympic dreams. Does she have the potential, drive, etc. to go or is it just a dream like most riders have? (ie, I still dream of going but know it isn't going to happen: don't have the finances, guts, etc.) Remember, this isn't meant to put her down or anything, I'm just curious since I didn't see the show or anything.

Candle
Jun. 2, 2005, 08:44 PM
I was kind of shocked they showed such a normal looking horse family. I mean, maybe I'm just desentized to horse show moms, but maybe they could have picked someone a little crazier? They seem like alright teenagers, with cool horses! I was surprised... I mean, the horse show world has a lot to offer, and they pick fairly reasonable people http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif What are the odds of that? I don't think 40k is outrageous to spend on a nice eventer either. Why couldn't they show the hunters spending ginormous amounts and such? hmmm.... must see next week's episode http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

loosetranslation
Jun. 2, 2005, 08:56 PM
if they really wanted drama, they should have gone to the pony hunters. i'm actually surprised they are filming an eventer. in my opinion, eventers tend to be the most 'normal'. then again, it depends on your definition of normal... lol.

i didnt get to see the show but will defintely be waiting for re-runs. i wanna what all the fuss is about.

mcm7780
Jun. 2, 2005, 08:59 PM
Loosetranslation and Candle -- Haha! That would have been funny! Especially if they got some family that bought one of the $300K ponies! They could show the kid flying to Florida for shows, etc. Eventers are pretty much the normal ones! (IMHO!)

JDufort
Jun. 3, 2005, 06:45 AM
what's up with the girls goal being "to compete in the 1* event at Canterbury?" what 1* at Canterbury?

eks
Jun. 3, 2005, 06:54 AM
I was wondering the same thing about Canterbury...also didn't it sound like when the Mom was leaving to go to work, the one sister wanted to know if they were "on the clock." Do you think that they actually get paid by their Mom to watch their brothers while she goes to work to bust her butt to pay for their riding and horses!!! I sure hope not!

Scaramouch
Jun. 3, 2005, 06:54 AM
I don't know if there's a * at Canterbury or not, but I know it's nothing like Rolex/Burghley, etc., though they were certainly acting like it is! It was funny, she said something about "the top horses and riders" and the snippet of footage from what I assumed to be Canterbury looked like Prelim, tops. Although, the little "goal/dream sheet" that popped up just said that her goal is to win a *, it didn't specify as to which one.

AppJumpr08
Jun. 3, 2005, 07:04 AM
They edited what Karli was saying when she was talking about the * so it sounded like she was talking about Canterbury - due to the filming schedual, they wern't going to be able to actually film her at a * (either it would be in the fall, which was too early to get a storyline going, or in the spring after the deadlines.) Gotta love tv, huh?


As for the normal horse family...lets just say that one person has a very different face for the camera then she does in reality. And it's not Karli.
Those girls really have busted their butts for the horses, and it didn't end up paying off at all (Karoline got to the end of a fab XC ride last year to be told to get off her horse because she had just been sold...)

I'll be interested to see what happens in the next episodes!!

Platinum Equestrian
Jun. 3, 2005, 11:20 AM
Who sold the horse? Was it after what we saw on TV had already unfolded? Tell more.

AppJumpr08
Jun. 3, 2005, 01:33 PM
The first horse (Karoline's) was sold last year...the last GMHA. I'm not sure exactly when Disco was sold- sometime this spring - BigRuss could probably be more specific. Karen (their mother) sold both of them.

Platinum Equestrian
Jun. 3, 2005, 03:35 PM
So Disco was sold? That's too bad. Poor girls... all because of a divorce. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Keep us updated behind the scenes.

AppJumpr08
Jun. 3, 2005, 03:56 PM
I'm quite certain he's sold - fantastic horse...and it is a total shame.
I'm not sure the divorce was the main reason..but I could be wrong.

mcm7780
Jun. 3, 2005, 05:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by eks:
I was wondering the same thing about Canterbury...also didn't it sound like when the Mom was leaving to go to work, the one sister wanted to know if they were "on the clock." Do you think that they actually get paid by their Mom to watch their brothers while she goes to work to bust her butt to pay for their riding and horses!!! I sure hope not! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Eks -- The younger one asked somthing like does "this counts as babysitting"? And the mom said yes, they were on the clock.

mcm7780
Jun. 3, 2005, 05:18 PM
That is sad that the girl ends up lossing her horse on TV!!! I wonder if somehow Bravo talked around to find out stuff to make it so dramatic. I mean, they like drama and it wouldn't be drama if the girls just worked hard, mom worked hard, etc. and they get to ride.

I liked how the barn looked...being on the West Coast, most the barns I've seen were open so it's weird seeing an enclosed one!!! How close are the cross ties? It looked like one horse could easily kick another, but it could have just been the camera angle! I sure hope so. Cute horses, though!

Aptor Hours
Jun. 4, 2005, 10:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mcm7780:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by eks:
I was wondering the same thing about Canterbury...also didn't it sound like when the Mom was leaving to go to work, the one sister wanted to know if they were "on the clock." Do you think that they actually get paid by their Mom to watch their brothers while she goes to work to bust her butt to pay for their riding and horses!!! I sure hope not! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Eks -- The younger one asked somthing like does "this counts as babysitting"? And the mom said yes, they were on the clock. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not a kid or a mother but I see no reason why older siblings should be expected to watch younger ones. I think that is the problem of the parent who chose to give birth to those children. I think the mother needs to rethink her decision to divorce and rip her family apart.

mcm7780
Jun. 4, 2005, 10:44 AM
Aptor Hours -- I just want to clarify that I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with eks. I just answered her query. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I was lucky, I never had to look after my little brother -- we were too close in age! Probably wouldn't have worked out having a 15 year old watch a 14 year old since we were a year apart. hehe http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

FrittSkritt
Jun. 4, 2005, 04:58 PM
I actually know the two girls and their mother - Karli and Karoline were in Pony Club with me a few years back. Very sweet girls - I was Karli's C advisor at a D rally back in the day. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Their mother is also the nicest person ever.

What strikes me as sort of ironic is that if she really, truly wanted to go to the Olympics, she'd be OK working with a cheap OTTB or something for a few years at the local level, then working her way up... maybe she'd still be riding now if that were the case... I know they spent $$$$$ on competing and the other expenses associated.

AppJumpr08
Jun. 5, 2005, 12:39 AM
I am under the impression Karli would work with anything - when it was discussed that Disco could be sold, there was no option - it was he's sold, no more horses...period.

persefne
Jun. 8, 2005, 08:37 AM
Just wanted to say that episode 2 is on tonight! I hated that they (BRAVO) set all this "drama" up around a girl dealing with her parents' divorce, losing her horse, and heading off to college, just to make a tv show. But, the family accepted that when agreeing to do the show, I guess. When the issue of selling the expensive horse came up early in the first episode, I felt so sorry for Karli. But, then, I thought, "Hey, this is the real world. If she wants to aim for the Olympics and be a professional eventer, then she will encounter more disappointment and heartbreak along the way than this." In an ULR's world, there have been many horses to come and go along the way, and her "way" has barely even begun. Someone else was right to say that she'd do just as well pursuing her dream by buying an inexpensive OTTB and starting from scratch. If she's not willing to do that (ie, if she's the type of rider who needs or only wants a "made" horse), then maybe she should reconsider a future with horses...or get into hunter/jumpers instead. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Macnas
Jun. 8, 2005, 02:14 PM
I was really upset that they were selling her horse over a divorce and insisted that this was an unfair turn of events and that my husband should NOT call her "poor little rich girl."

Until he reminded me that there didn't seem to be any reason why she required a $40K horse that ran out of fences to go prelim, especially since she wasn't advanced enough to not bang the horse in the mouth over every fence, since the rest of the eventing world does just fine going to the Olympics on thousand-dollar OTTBs.

I still feel bad for her having lost her horse, assuming she did, but it's sure not the end of the road.

persefne
Jun. 8, 2005, 07:40 PM
Ok, who just saw Bruce on BRAVO? I did!

I do have to say that I'm not a militant rider critic, but I just wonder how this girl can clinic with Bruce Davidson, yet she's still getting left behind, popping her horse in the mouth after every jump, and jabbing him in the sides with her lower leg (then jerking him up when he gallops away)? They probably have edited in poor equestrian segments, but I want to tell her to STAY FORWARD, NOT CATCH HER SWEET PONY IN THE MOUTH, and to NOT POP UP OVER HER FENCES BEFORE HER HORSE HAS EVEN CRESTED THE OBSTACLE.

Ok. I'm finished complaining. None of this, of course, has to do with the show or the plot of the segments...sorry!

persefne
Jun. 8, 2005, 08:00 PM
I take back my previous criticism. I just saw the last little bit of the show and it made me cry. Selling Disco is the way they have to go, I guess, but it did just make me sad. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

mcm7780
Jun. 8, 2005, 08:18 PM
It is sad! I've never owned my own horse (always leased) so I can't imagine how sad she must be! When I rode, if I moved off a horse, another kid where I rode would lease it so at least I got to see it. I usually would move on to another horse because I had "out grown" the other, so it wasn't as hard. Poor girl! Her mom seems sort of unsympathetic about it...http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

And I really hope Bravo just does bad editing with her riding...otherwise I don't think she should be going prelim. Hopefully Bravo just don't know good riding from bad riding. I mean, I am sure the girl is good, but she is getting soooo left behind, grabbing the horse's mouth, etc. So I hope we are seeing the bad jumps, not the good ones... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

linquest
Jun. 8, 2005, 08:33 PM
You can see their info here:

http://www.bravotv.com/Sports_Kids_Moms_&_Dads/Karen_and_Karlie/index.shtml (http://www.bravotv.com/Sports_Kids_Moms_&amp;_Dads/Karen_and_Karlie/index.shtml)

It really doesn't sound like the Mom has much choice but to sell the horse, sad as it is. She's a nurse practioner working 2 jobs, which is tough enough, not to mention 2 other younger children she's got to take care of. After losing out on her husband's income, I can't see how she can afford to continue spending $50K/year just on the hobby of 2 of her 5 kids. It'll be interesting to watch more of the family dynamics...I can only imagine the jealousy issues of the other siblings.

And $40K on a horse from New Zealand for a junior-level rider?!? Eventers are starting to lose my respect http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

mcm7780
Jun. 8, 2005, 08:42 PM
$50K a year for two horses? Wow! I guess I rode the cheap way: I spent maybe $500 a month on a bad month (ie. when I was paying off a $1000 sinus infection!). Then again, I didn't compete much...I was too poor...http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (I'm trying to think what my "budget" a month was...about $150 for pasture board, $125-$150 for shoes, about $100 a month for vet and bute (averaging for the year!), $10 for grain, and less than $400 a year for new halters, sheets, etc.) But I can see how being in a show barn and competing would cost a whole lot more! Still sucks for Karli!

aqhmom
Jun. 9, 2005, 12:54 AM
What's the name of the barn that the girls ride at? It looks gorgeous!

deltawave
Jun. 9, 2005, 05:14 AM
God, my sincerest prayer is that nobody I know or care about should EVER wind up on a "reality TV" program. Talk about drama, over-the-top and schlocky psycho babble. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif Shame on whoever volunteered to put their family under the pop-culture microscope. You *know* that TV is going to want to "sex up" any micro-tizzy into a big deal, because that is what makes people watch the freakin' commercials. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I *hate* television. Would've watched the show "about an eventer" until I read this thread, now I would most certainly NOT watch it. Yecch...did I mention I hate television? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

Hilary
Jun. 9, 2005, 05:55 AM
OK, what actually happened!! I was all set to watch it, and our power went out at 8:30 and stayed out for 6 hours.

I saw half of the first episode as a rerun, so what happened in the second episode?

Anyplace Farm
Jun. 9, 2005, 07:00 AM
FWIW, selling my horse was far less painful than going thru a divorce. And trust me, I cried my eyes out when I sold that horse.

Pain from divorce lingers forever. Kind of bugs me how people think the mother is a beast for making the kid sell her horse. No one has any idea what the circumstances are surrounding the divorce of these two people. It takes a lot to divorce and typically, something has to be really really wrong, especially when there are children involved.

Going thru a divorce puts you in a state of emergency. It is clear that the father has no intentions of helping pay for the horses, otherwise, the mother wouldn't have to sell them. She's doing what any smart, good parent would do -- she's putting as many plugs in the dyke as she can to keep her family afloat and to keep her sanity.

High five to the mother for having the balls to buckle under and consider her daughter's and other children's future. She'd never be able to afford to send them to good schools with board, vet, competition, equipment bills.

eponacelt
Jun. 9, 2005, 07:13 AM
I have to agree with Anyplace Farm. It all sucks, but the loss of a horse is the least of this girls worries. Divorce is tough.

And rather than beating up on the mother, where the he** is the father in all of this? Why won't he step up and help out? I mean, they're his kids too, and even if he won't continue to support their riding in the same fashion they've become accustomed to, what about some support at least?

ChampionMercedes
Jun. 9, 2005, 07:39 AM
My mom and I have been watching this show together and have found it quite interesting. We were in that boat when I was younger (only 8 but I had two ponies at the time) showing on the 'A' h/j circuit, and had to sell one of my ponies. I feel bad for the position the mom is in, and the daughter too. I know how the daughter feels because I had to say goodbye to my horse in November due to finanical issues. The kid seems a bit spoiled to me. A $40,000 horse that stops? Although he's probably worth his weight in gold for dealing with her constantly catching him in the mouth and not dumping her every jump, she doesn't seen very grateful for what her mother is doing for her.

The mom seems to be doing all she can. She's working 2 jobs, has other kids and is trying to support riding. The girls are complaining about not being able to buy lots of tack etc. Sell the $40,000 horse, buy a horse off the track and start fresh. I've seen what people can get on the track and what they can do with those horses and it's pretty amazing.

As the trainer said it's not the end of the world. When I sold my horse in November I was extremely upset but my trainer talked some sense into me and I realized there will always be other horses to ride and another horse will come around that I will love and be able to have once finances etc. are better.

AppJumpr08
Jun. 9, 2005, 07:44 AM
The man Karen is divorcing now is not Karli and Karoline's father.
Karli's dad is in Australia, and I don't know about Karoline's.

I haven't watched the whole episode yet, but the yellow barn and where she was jumping up and down hills and into the pond is Chesterland (Bruce's place), and the barn in the first episode was Nancy Cole's place - Northern Lights Farm. The big open field where Karli was jumping through a grid of square rails is Bruce's place in FL.

There's alot going on behind the scenes that you guys don't know about (there always is) - as for the tv thing, the only reason Karli and Karoline went along with their mom on it is that they were hoping they would be able to keep both of their horses until the end of the filming... didn't work.

zedcadjna
Jun. 9, 2005, 10:01 AM
The horse seemed to be really nice, I didnt see the first episode..

I hope she gets to keep her horse,hopefully mom and kids w/ help of trainer can figure out something..

Candle
Jun. 9, 2005, 01:02 PM
when are they showing the rerun of this last episode? I remembered it came on right as it ended http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

none...
Jun. 9, 2005, 01:06 PM
OK, so I have a question...where is the other sister Karoline? I mean, she has a horse too, so why dont they ask her about selling her horse (or do they not have to sell him?)

I really do feel for the girls. I know what it feels like to have to sell your horse or in my case, give her away. It really does feel like your whole world is ending.

Perfect Pony
Jun. 9, 2005, 01:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AppJumpr08:
The man Karen is divorcing now is not Karli and Karoline's father.
Karli's dad is in Australia, and I don't know about Karoline's. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So what you are saying is, this woman has had 5 children from at least 3 different men??!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

mcm7780
Jun. 9, 2005, 02:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Perfect Pony:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AppJumpr08:
The man Karen is divorcing now is not Karli and Karoline's father.
Karli's dad is in Australia, and I don't know about Karoline's. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So what you are saying is, this woman has had 5 children from at least 3 different men??!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Perfect Pony -- Come on, you think the'd use a "normal" family? Of course not! It's reality TV! But, I too, am a bit taken back by the 5 kids, at least 3 dads...must be much more going on with Mom than we know...

AppJumpr08
Jun. 9, 2005, 03:12 PM
Karen sold Karoline's horse before the filming started. Karoline was at GMHA, came off XC, and was told to get off Rummy because she had been sold. She had hoped that doing the show would keep the horse around like they kept Disco, but it wasn't the case.

mcm7780
Jun. 9, 2005, 06:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AppJumpr08:
Karen sold Karoline's horse before the filming started. Karoline was at GMHA, came off XC, and was told to get off Rummy because she had been sold. She had hoped that doing the show would keep the horse around like they kept Disco, but it wasn't the case. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is so sad!!! Did they know for a while that they were going to have to sell them or did the mom just tell them one night? (ie, did they know it was a possibility?) http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

AppJumpr08
Jun. 10, 2005, 09:17 AM
Karen used to threaten all the time - so the kids just got used to brushing it off. Both horses have been put on the market and taken off again several times - so it was a shock when they *actually* did get sold.

lilblackhorse
Jun. 10, 2005, 11:35 AM
glad to have had this link to hear more of the inside scoop.

I think the mom is much more a normal mom than the other "living my life thru my kids" moms. I feel for the mother-5 kids, working hard, and going thru a divorce. I am there with just two kids and not the stress of having a second mtg on my home to pay for a $40K horse.

They are lucky girls, but it looks like they work hard for what they are doing.

I am sad to hear that this is how the story will end. Last nite's episode sounded to me like it was a total surprise that someone was coming to look that the horse. That's not great communication in my book...just sad.

they seem like a very normal horse family--far better than many freakish horseshow families they could have chosen.Actually I was surprised they picked an eventing family instead of HJ world.

Well crap--that's just sad

Macnas
Jun. 10, 2005, 11:47 AM
I don't think a h/j trainer would have agreed to television cameras on them all the time. Too many common things like 3 a.m. longe sessions exist in competitive stables and that really wouldn't reflect well on the trainer after being heavily edited by the producers to make them look as crazy and unkind as possible..

Aptor Hours
Jun. 10, 2005, 11:56 AM
I think the mother needs to take a long hard look at why she keeps marrying, producing and divorcing. Something isn't right with her head I guess.

lilblackhorse
Jun. 10, 2005, 12:22 PM
perhaps that's just not something she would ever be able to understand. Until the breakup of my marriage last year, I would never have been able to say that after 20 years that it would happen to me.

Sometimes you can't judge--my husband walked out with no explanation while we were on vacation. I didn't have much say in the whole thing--ok, none.

So, don't cast stones if we aren't in her position. She looks like a savvy, driven, hard working woman, but we will never know the "true" her. Who knows the circumstances behind the several marriages and kids.

Sad none the less as far as I can see.

TrotTrotPumpkn
Jun. 10, 2005, 12:53 PM
I caught this on my lunch break. Really sad. If she's going to college, maybe she can ride for a team? Or work for rides somewhere?

Or my sister and I thought she could probably just do some modeling! Goodness. I wouldn't be surprised if that had something to do with why the producers chose her--she's gorgeous!

I thought her mom was definitely the most normal of the parents shown. The football thing just freaked me out. What happens when that kid turns 14 and busts out his knee and can't play anymore? Jeez

AppJumpr08
Jun. 10, 2005, 01:17 PM
She plans on riding in college, providing she is able to go... that is a whole different story, that I won't even get into, but lets just leave it at her mom wasn't exactly going out of her way to help Karli visit campuses and fill out financial information last thing I knew.

The one mother that really blows my mind is the cheerleading girl's mom! She's such a little girl to be wearing all the makeup and those skimpy outfits http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

mcm7780
Jun. 10, 2005, 02:29 PM
AppJumpr08 -- OMG! I so agree with you about the little cheerleader!!! Her mom puts so much make-up on her and the outfits make her look like a tulsa! (tulsa == read it backwards, it's a "code word" my dad said he and his friends used back in the day!) The girl is cute, but she looks bad made up like that. I understand that a lot of cheerleading uniforms have changed and become more skimpy, but an 8 year old in a mini skirt and top that barely covers her chest area?!?! (I'm only 24 and I'm shocked! *L*)

As for Karli's mom not helping her out much, suggest to Karli that she talk to a school counselor. They can help her figure out a lot of the financial aid stuff. Also, I never really visited the college I ended up going to...http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I lived close by so my mom and I drove down for a few minutes once, but I didn't get a tour or anything -- I knew as much about the school after I visited as I did before I did! If she really wants to save money, she should look at going to a city college for the first two years and transfering. A lot of people do that to save money. Now, I don't know how it would work trying to get into an Ivy League or something, but it's fine for state schools. (If you can't tell, I'm trying to remember all the college money saving stuff I learned when I first went!) Hmmmm...as a undergrad, she probably will qualify for grants. (But you can't get them as a grad student...grrr!! That's why I'm too poor to ride now!) Well, I guess that's all now!

JER
Jun. 10, 2005, 03:00 PM
I haven't seen the show but I did watch the family's audition video on the website.

It's one thing to navigate the horse world by sheer will and determination, which a motivated kid will do if he/she doesn't have money or family support. It's another thing entirely to learn to scrape and beg and be self-sufficient after having the rug pulled out from under your feet.

I agree with the previous poster about city/community/junior colleges and I've known several people who successfully transferred to Ivy League schools from them. I suppose you have to work harder and really want it, just like any other goal.

AppJumpr08
Jun. 10, 2005, 03:59 PM
And I'm sure Karli will do that... but it was a shocker to her (and Nancy and myself) when Karen told her she was "on her own" for the college thing.

Maybe things have improved - I've lost touch with Karli recently.

lilblackhorse
Jun. 10, 2005, 04:18 PM
as a mom with kids who are approaching college age, I can't imagine all of a sudden pulling the rug out from under my kid.

In fact we had this conversation the night we watched the show...which brought up her question "can you get scholarships for sports other than the 'normal' ones?"

I said yes---and there are TONS of scholarships out there--ones often very obscure, but that often are not even applied for--which is sad.

We talked then and there about not only getting straight A's for a merit scholarship, but we are looking at this as a job--to find enough help that I won't go bankrupt and have to sell MY horse is he's still around then.

I would hope that the mom had not led her child on that she would be paying, and now is reneging. That would be really crappy, especially on top of the fact that it kind of looks like she pulled the rug out from under her on the horse ownership thing. Especially if it mean that the girls totally have to give up riding.

At that age, that would have killed me. I am 43, and can't imagine not having had my horses to get me through the rough spots.

mcm7780
Jun. 10, 2005, 05:22 PM
There is no way I would have been able to pay for college myself without my parents help! Luckly, my dad paid child support in savings bonds which my mom saved. (THANK YOU MOMMY!) She let them mature and used those to pay for my schooling...woohoo! I understand not all parents can do that, but I think most let the child know that pretty early on (at least that's how it worked with my friends). I wish Karli luck!

Macnas
Jun. 10, 2005, 11:08 PM
Tell Karli to get herself down to the track or down to Ocala and gallop racehorses. That's how I got through college. Work a semester, go to school a semester. No loans and lots of experience http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Rac22eventerRiDeR
Jun. 10, 2005, 11:48 PM
Hey! I watched that show and it is so sad she has to sell her horse! I would love to ride in a barn like Karli! Since it is ussually sunny and warm down here, the barn where we board is almost all outdoors, exsept for a few small buildings for inside boarding!

Tell Karli that if she really wants to go to the olympics, that she could do it (but only if she dose it mostly on her own!) http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Keep me posted!

P.s. Disco seems to be a great horse from what they show on the show! How old is he, and how many HH? Just WOndring! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Rac22eventerRiDeR
Jun. 10, 2005, 11:49 PM
when I said like Karli, I ment like the one she rides in! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

XHalt
Jun. 11, 2005, 03:56 AM
I finally watched a couple episodes from tivo. I didn't realize that Nancy Cole and Bruce were in it too!! How funny.

I do feel bad for the kids. I'm sure it's a really tough time in their lives and to lose their horses on top of it's really sad.

Magnolia
Jun. 11, 2005, 07:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Karoline was at GMHA, came off XC, and was told to get off Rummy because she had been sold. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Totally understand not having the money to continue riding and the need to sell the horses. My parents sold my horse when I went to college. But what a cruel thing to do to the girl. At least let the girl enjoy her last event until the end.

And IMHO mom should not have let the riding expenses get so out of hand. There are a lot of ways she could have saved money - sharing one horse comes to mind. No wonder she's gone through divorces.... If I were her husband I'd be pretty mad that she had a second job to support a hobby for the kids.

Feel bad for the girls. It's probably better on the brain to have never had and always wanted than to have had and then had it taken away through no fault of your own.

AppJumpr08
Jun. 11, 2005, 01:37 PM
Rac22 - Disco is 12 or 13 I think - 16.1 or so...NZ TB - really fun boy - a bit of a fruit loop on occasion, but he is a TB afterall! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

You can see some pictures of him with his new owner (?) Courtney Brines on flatlandsfoto.com at GMHA - such a fun horse http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

UmassGecko
Jun. 11, 2005, 05:42 PM
So his new name is Dilly? Just looked at the GMHA times and it was the only entry Courtney Brines was listed under.

AppJumpr08
Jun. 11, 2005, 05:45 PM
Nope Dilly is her family's hunt horse. I think she took Disco instead of Dilly - Disco is the only one she has pictures with.

UmassGecko
Jun. 11, 2005, 05:50 PM
Oh, ok...thanks for clearing that up appjumpr08.

Rac22eventerRiDeR
Jun. 11, 2005, 10:39 PM
cool, how long dose the series go for? Do you think they will show Disco with his new owner on one of the episodes? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif That would be so sad for Karli. She seems very nice, but I don't know her in real life. I just started eventing on a 14.3hh horse, who is 9 and is a morgan/arab. Disco would be a dream to ride! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Keep me posted if anyhting new comes up.

Rac22eventerRiDeR
Jun. 11, 2005, 10:46 PM
oh, and AppJumpr08, do you know how much they sold Disco for? Just wondering! If I had won the lottery, I would have flown out, and bought him! Only if he seemed to click with me though! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

PiedPiper
Jun. 12, 2005, 05:13 AM
I guess I have a hard time understanding why the sudden need to sell the horse and the unknown of paying for college. My parents didn't really have the money to pay but my siblings and myself all had the oppurtunity to go via loans and grants. Quite frankly college is too important to just pass up b/c one doesn't want to accrue some debt. Plus with education with the financial aid department and local bank(s) you can work out a pretty good schedule that makes paying it off quite affordable. You have two years after you have completely left school before your loans go into active mode.

It is very sad that it was done like that and I think the mom will be feeling the effects of that for many many years. What a way to lose trust in your parent when you are sprung with such a horrible surprise especially when you have finally become an "adult" at least in age alone.

IFG
Jun. 12, 2005, 05:29 AM
I am with DW, woe that I or anyone that I know would expose their family to public scrutiny like this.

It is natural to talk about it, if it is on, so why oh why would a family choose to air their dirty laundry?

mcm7780
Jun. 12, 2005, 08:54 AM
IFG -- I agree with you. The only reason I can think of is that you are often paid a nice sum of money to do these shows!

AppJumpr08
Jun. 12, 2005, 10:44 AM
Disco was listed for $45,000. I don't know what he sold for.

It's hard to get financial aid when a parent has such a high income...and won't sign papers saying that she isn't going to assist with tuition.

JER
Jun. 12, 2005, 11:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I am with DW, woe that I or anyone that I know would expose their family to public scrutiny like this.

It is natural to talk about it, if it is on, so why oh why would a family choose to air their dirty laundry? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The audition video makes it quite clear who is the center of attention in this family. (Hint: it's not the kids.)

Xhltsalute
Jun. 12, 2005, 12:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mcm7780:Perfect Pony -- Come on, you think the'd use a "normal" family? Of course not! It's reality TV! But, I too, am a bit taken back by the 5 kids, at least 3 dads...must be much more going on with Mom than we know... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Think it happens more often than a lot of us think. One of my brothers is with a woman who has 4 kids by 4 different men (don't even know if she married them)and another is with one that 4 kids by 3 different men. All we keep thinking is "God, I hope these women are spayed!!!" http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

mcm7780
Jun. 12, 2005, 01:16 PM
Xhltsalute -- I know it is more common...I know quite a few people who have kids from different fathers. But there is usually something going on with a woman who marries multiple men. Yes, divorce is pretty damn common now, but there must be something going on with "serial marriers". (Hmmm...don't think marrier is a word though! *LOL*) Could be they are looking for love so will accept any, realize it's not what they want, get divorced, marry again, etc. All sorts of reasons! But it's not really healthy to marry multiple times. And it really sucks for the kids! Not only is their dad not married to their mom, they have a new stepdad, Mom has kids with Stepdad, then they divorce. Now the first kids have lost two "dads"! Mom remarries, divorces again, now they've had three "dads", their step siblings have had two, etc. That is just hard on kids and it doesn't give them a good representation of a healthy marraige. (Sorry if it sounds like I'm lecturing to you, that's not my objective...I guess my agreeing with you turned into me explaining my views, blah blah blah! But I think you understand what I am saying!)

Rac22eventerRiDeR
Jun. 12, 2005, 02:35 PM
Personally, I think the mom should have not as many kids with so many diff. men. I agree with almost everything your saying.

AppJumper8- Thanks for the answer! However, it dosn't seem like he is worth that much. He seems to hesitate a lot, but she seems to hit in the mouth a lot, so that might be why. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

eventable
Jun. 12, 2005, 05:00 PM
We in New Zealand delight in selling our horses off to unwary Americans for large sums of money. That's why we all can afford to drive around in late model Mercedes coupes... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Perfect Pony
Jun. 12, 2005, 07:13 PM
I just think the whole thing is a nightmare for all involved, I can only imagine what the real story is. All those kids, all those dads, all those expenses.

Anyway, she is a very beautiful and seemingly intellegent young woman and I hope has enough common sense to go out there and succeed on her own.

I've paid my student loans down to only $35,000. I haven't regretted one minute of it. She seems like a smart enough girl with enough going for her that I will not feel sorry for her, just wish the best of luck to them all.

AppJumpr08
Jun. 13, 2005, 07:59 AM
Disco was worth every penny - he had run around a ** in NZ, and came here to teach Karli (who had been running training level on a QH packer) - he's had his fair share of inexperienced mistakes, and honestly he was getting a bit sick of them (the occasional stop, for example - he has her number down - not mean, just smart!)... Way cool horse though, with the most adjustable canter I've ever ridden (and I've sat on a few of Bruce's horses...Disco is just special!)
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

doctormolley
Jun. 13, 2005, 09:05 AM
IMO, when you have to take out a second mortgage on your home, $45,000 is a rediculous amount to spend on a horse to "teach" someone- especially when they continue to ride as sloppily as she appears to on the show. I watched the interview video and the mom rationalizes that she wanted her daughters to be on "safe" horses. Sorry honey, but $45,000 does not a safe horse make! I'm sure Disco is a fantastic horse, but it's hard to look good when you're having to compensate for constantly being jerked in the mouth and of course he ducks out at fences when she grips with her lower leg! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Rac22eventerRiDeR
Jun. 13, 2005, 10:32 PM
Disco seems nice on the show, but I have to agree that that is a huge amout of money to spend on a horse to teach someone. She should get an off the track TB and train him. She would get a lot of experiance, and get a horse for cheaper than before! Or she could get a less expensive horse below her level and train him! Only if she wanted to offcourse! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

AppJumpr08
Jun. 14, 2005, 06:38 AM
They were told that the best way to go was to get something from NZ - you have to remember that many people go on their trainer's advice because they are doing it for the first time... not always something that makes sense to the rest of us, but it's the way it is. The same trainer tried to convince me to buy Disco last year (I've always taken the OTTB route - I have 2 right now! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

AngelEventer
Jun. 14, 2005, 06:53 AM
I just hope they didn't keep the horse AT nancy's facility... that is 12,000 dollars right there that they could have saved without selling the horse (and this is only if her prices haven't gone up since I was there 3 years ago...) Board at her barn was to the tune of somewhere between 900 & 1000 dollars a month! I wonder if they truely tried to keep the horse, such as leasing him out (half lease?),moving him to a cheaper facility. Taking less lessons, not going all over the country, etc. This just boggles my mind... I hope my parents NEVER think of doing this to us! I think I would run away... with my horse...

aqhmom
Jun. 14, 2005, 03:07 PM
Is there a website for either Bruce or Nancy's barns?

AppJumpr08
Jun. 14, 2005, 03:27 PM
They *were* leasing a barn down the road from their house for both horses - doing their own care. *then* KAREN decided to move them to Nancy's. And yes, the board is $900 or $1000 a month...can't remember exactly how much. Round numbers, $2000 a month in board. Not sure what the lease was on the barn, but I'm guessing it was less then $2000, plus Nancy's is 45 minutes away from where they live (one way)...so plus gas to drive that far 5-6 days a week... it all adds up!



aqhmom - Bruce started a website a few years back, but it was never finished...and Nancy doesn't have one.

Horsessrb
Jun. 15, 2005, 01:21 PM
Is the new episode on tonight? What time?

I &lt;3 Bravo. Between this and my West Wing addiction, I'll never get anything done. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

persefne
Jun. 15, 2005, 01:27 PM
Oh, yes! Thanks for reminding. It comes on at 10:00pm. For those that missed last week, they usually play the previous week's episode right before the new one at 9:00. I'm not positive they're doing that tonight, but they usually do.

A.Horse.of.Course
Jun. 15, 2005, 07:21 PM
Am I the only one who finds it odd that, despite financial troubles, she's still taking her horse to clinic with Bruce Davidson in PA and then heading down to Florida?

I do, however, feel absolutely horrible for this girl. I cannot imagine the pain. *Hugs* to Karli, and keep working at it- you'll get where you want to go.

AppJumpr08
Jun. 16, 2005, 07:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by A.Horse.of.Course:
Am I the only one who finds it odd that, despite financial troubles, she's still taking her horse to clinic with Bruce Davidson in PA and then heading down to Florida?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That was all part of the plan to make it more interesting for TV.... I was at Nancy's for 5 months last year, and Karli never got to go to PA once. As soon as the TV cameras came along... well it all changed in someone's mind... (hint: not Karli's)...

That moment in the kitchen in the episode last night was classic for that family...where Karen "forgets" that she had Disco stay in PA to be shown... You have no idea how badly I wanted to sweep Karli and Karoline away with me when I left last year!!!

A.Horse.of.Course
Jun. 16, 2005, 08:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AppJumpr08:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by A.Horse.of.Course:
Am I the only one who finds it odd that, despite financial troubles, she's still taking her horse to clinic with Bruce Davidson in PA and then heading down to Florida?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That was all part of the plan to make it more interesting for TV.... I was at Nancy's for 5 months last year, and Karli never got to go to PA once. As soon as the TV cameras came along... well it all changed in someone's mind... (hint: not Karli's)...

That moment in the kitchen in the episode last night was classic for that family...where Karen "forgets" that she had Disco stay in PA to be shown... You have no idea how badly I wanted to sweep Karli and Karoline away with me when I left last year!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah, I understand. Poor girls. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Pol
Jun. 16, 2005, 08:20 AM
All I can say is THANK GOD for Nancy. She is great and it is a damn fine thing that those girls have her.
ONE of the things that drives me CRAZY is people who refer to "typical teenagers". There is NO such thing. I knew Karli back in the day when I was running the Area 1 Young Rider camp and she is 1 great kid. She is committed and passionate and to have her mother calling her names, "forgetting" plans she made, and generally jerking those girls around makes me NUTS.
Also, if those of you who feel critical could keep quiet, it might be nice. Karli and Karoline have been thru enough without you knocking them as well.

Aptor Hours
Jun. 16, 2005, 08:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by A.Horse.of.Course:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AppJumpr08:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by A.Horse.of.Course:
Am I the only one who finds it odd that, despite financial troubles, she's still taking her horse to clinic with Bruce Davidson in PA and then heading down to Florida?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That was all part of the plan to make it more interesting for TV.... I was at Nancy's for 5 months last year, and Karli never got to go to PA once. As soon as the TV cameras came along... well it all changed in someone's mind... (hint: not Karli's)...

That moment in the kitchen in the episode last night was classic for that family...where Karen "forgets" that she had Disco stay in PA to be shown... You have no idea how badly I wanted to sweep Karli and Karoline away with me when I left last year!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah, I understand. Poor girls. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How do you "forget" you told the trainer to sell the horse? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

sspry
Jun. 16, 2005, 08:58 AM
I guess the same way you "forget" to pick them up at the train station. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

Xhltsalute
Jun. 16, 2005, 12:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AppJumpr08:
That moment in the kitchen in the episode last night was classic for that family...where Karen "forgets" that she had Disco stay in PA to be shown... You have no idea how badly I wanted to sweep Karli and Karoline away with me when I left last year!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is that woman on drugs????? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Something is really wrong with her! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I too wish you could sweep them away with you.

none...
Jun. 16, 2005, 12:19 PM
I really feel sorry for the girls. I mean, things do happen and sometimes you have to stell the horse, but there mom just seems so far out of it! Yes she is going through a divorce, but have we once heard her say something to comfort either girl? A simple hug or acknowledgment that they are going through rough times?

--does anyone know if they *positivly* sold that horse? I saw his name at a few shows ridden by another girl, is she just leasing him? Or riding him trying to sell? Or did he really sell?

AppJumpr08
Jun. 16, 2005, 12:19 PM
She isn't on drugs...which could be the problem. She's a very unstable person... used to leave the girls for days at Nancy's (and I agree with Pol - thank god for Nancy!!!)... would say they were going to be there for 2 days and leave them for 4... crazy crazy stuff.
That's the saddest part of Disco and Rummy being sold - I'm really worried that the girls will loose touch with Nancy now that they don't have horses with her.

Rac22eventerRiDeR
Jun. 16, 2005, 09:48 PM
OH, that is so sad! The episode last night mad me feel so sorry for them. How could someone forget about something that their daughter was extreamly passionate about, after she told the trainer to try to SELL HIM!
And, leaving them at the train staion, that is kindove dangerus! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

How could a mother do that. I thought my mom was bad about rembering things, but now I see she's not! Gose I do wish they could have found some way to keep their horses! Mabe she could help Nancy someway at her barn! Just a sugestion http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Those two girls seem very nice, and I bet they are in real life! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Rac22eventerRiDeR
Jun. 16, 2005, 09:50 PM
Oh, and I agree with you guys THANK GOD FOR NANCY! I think those girls would be lost without her! She seems to really like them, as much as they like her! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

jillcharlie
Jun. 17, 2005, 05:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I do have to say that I'm not a militant rider critic, but I just wonder how this girl can clinic with Bruce Davidson, yet she's still getting left behind, popping her horse in the mouth after every jump, and jabbing him in the sides with her lower leg (then jerking him up when he gallops away)? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Money, anyone can train with Bruce if you couph up the $$. I was amazed, however, that he even let Karli jump one fence, she needs to go back to Basics, get a BALANCED seat, quit leaning back, and quit jerking on Disco's mouth. I feared she would get hurt because she has no business doing xc at this point.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> $45,000 is a rediculous amount to spend on a horse to "teach" someone- especially when they continue to ride as sloppily as she appears to on the show. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
And the horse suffers for it, way to ruin a good horse. Everyone has said Karli's trainer is wonderful (and she seems like a very nice woman) but I do not think she Karli should even be jumping. A lot of trainers push riders too quickly before they have basic equitation.

Perfect Pony
Jun. 17, 2005, 07:24 AM
Wow some of you guys are really harsh! I think the girl looks really nice on a horse, sure she is a kid and makes her mistakes but she looks to have some raw talent and is capable to me?

To suggest she needs to stop jumping? Wow, then I better get back on the leadline! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

jillcharlie
Jun. 17, 2005, 07:34 AM
I believe in having a very solid seat, good balance, and solid foundation, working on lunge line, riding extensively without stirrups, being BALANCED, all the 'old' school training, before jumping at all.

Perfect Pony
Jun. 17, 2005, 07:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jillcharlie:
I believe in having a very solid seat, good balance, and solid foundation, working on lunge line, riding extensively without stirrups, being BALANCED, all the 'old' school training, before jumping at all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I do too, I learned to ride in the 70s and 80s where every lesson incuded extensive riding without stirrups, loads of lungeline lessons w/o reins and stirrups, jumping grids that way even. I agree with you, and see loads of people that are doing way more than I would have been allowed to do when I was learning. As a returning adult I have noticed that trainers ask me to do more than I want to.

But, I think that the comments here are a bit harsh when it comes to Karli, I guess I'm crazy but I don't see her as the terrible rider that some do. Yes she seems to make some mistakes, and it looks to me that this horse might be a bit much for her (maybe he is really forward with a big jump that she isn't ready for?). But all in all I think she seems like a great kid with some fairly solid basics. I know of other 17 year olds that try to push forward beyond their abilities, I think it's part of being that age actually. I guess it feeds into one of my pet peeves about JRs and AMs, moving up before they are ready to just for the sake of moving up.

Candle
Jun. 17, 2005, 09:11 AM
Well, she's not tight on the horse and hits him in the mouth most of the time. hard. Maybe if he was a ** horse, he was a little much for her, especially coming off a QH packer? Honest mistake, but she still shouldn't be jumping that high just because the horse can do it. I feel so sorry for her, but some people just end up with moms like that, and she just needs to get away from there ASAP. It really does make it better.

AppJumpr08
Jun. 17, 2005, 09:20 AM
Perhaps all of you guys would like to jump that uphill fence to show us all how it's done??? Yeah I agree that getting left behind is really rough on the horse, but everyone does it on occasion... and for some reason alot of the footage taped of Karli has her not riding as well as I know she can.

She was working for Nancy...when her mother would drive them over.... heaven forbid she let her daughter WITH A DRIVER'S LICENSE take the car to go to work with her sister... Yet they are lazy kids and never work... hmmm...

jillcharlie
Jun. 17, 2005, 09:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Perhaps all of you guys would like to jump that uphill fence to show us all how it's done??? Yeah I agree that getting left behind is really rough on the horse, but everyone does it on occasion... and for some reason alot of the footage taped of Karli has her not riding as well as I know she can. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well AppJumpr, you just stated that Karli looks like she is not riding well in the footage. Most of us do not see her ride in person, so we came to the conclusion that she is not the best rider, as you would have to, if you only had the footage to judge by. She is not balanced on the flat and falls behind on the flat (in the footage) perhaps in person she majically transforms.

AppJumpr08
Jun. 17, 2005, 09:44 AM
Ever heard of stress? Karli doesn't deal well with pressure, and I'm sure she felt that with video cameras in her face all the time. You are totally entitled to your opinion, but I really think you should cut her some slack - do you honestly think that you could gallop up a hill to that fence, on the first try, and not get left behind at all?? If you can say yes, then good for you - you've got one up on me. True balance is difficult, especially when you are headed up or down a hill like that (as we all know). In an ideal world would we all be balanced 100% of the time? Absolutely. Is it reality? Not at all. I've seen Bruce Davidson, Karen O'Connor and plenty of other riders get left behind over some big a** fences... so should they go back to training level for the rest of their lives? I'm gonna have to go with no.

And as far as the flatwork....I've been told to lean back by the same trainer Karli works with - better then leaning too far forward...and eventually you find the center..

I guess there's not much I can say, except I think that everyone could lighten up a bit on someone they don't know, and haven't seen ride in person. I mean, if people judged me by a few of the pictures out there, they wouldn't let me off a leadline!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

saratoga
Jun. 17, 2005, 09:47 AM
I watched these shows, which I had recorded, last night. Really, the entire show is depressing. That poor cheerleader kid with that horrible mom. 8 years old and has more muscles than most guys.
I am by no means an expert, but I was surprised to see that Karli was riding prelim too. Most riders that I have seen at that level look much better, more secure and balanced. She definitely doesn't look anywhere near ready for a three-day. But she seems like a nice kid and wow, to put yourself up for that kind of scrutiny... I can't fathom buying a $45,000 horse for your kid, unless you had millions in the bank. I can't help but to be jealous of anyone riding that kind of horse, but I sure wouldn't want her mom!

jillcharlie
Jun. 17, 2005, 09:53 AM
You're right and I'm very sorry for being so critical. I'd be a nervous wreck with cameras also and you would know better than I, her skill level. One thing I will say, she's a very very pretty girl, as is her sister.

Aptor Hours
Jun. 17, 2005, 10:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sspry:
I guess the same way you "forget" to pick them up at the train station. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah good lord! MY mother wouldn't do that to me and well I am a lot older than 17 http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

App'nover
Jun. 17, 2005, 10:26 AM
I haven't been watching but after reading this thread want to. Are they playing reruns in between episodes so I can catch up?

none...
Jun. 17, 2005, 10:46 AM
most reruns are at the odd hours (past 11pm) but they usually show the previous episode before the new one on Wed.

check bravotv.com for exact dates and times

mcm7780
Jun. 17, 2005, 11:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AppJumpr08:
do you honestly think that you could gallop up a hill to that fence, on the first try, and not get left behind at all?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This comment is not specifically about Karli, just riding in general! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
If I was getting left behind while jumping more times that not, I would not be jumping that height. If one is compitent at that level, it shouldn't matter if it's their first time doing that jump, etc. Mistakes happen, but they shouldn't happen the majority of the time! If they are, you need to go down a level or two (maybe more) and get your skills down pat before moving up.

Rac22eventerRiDeR
Jun. 17, 2005, 01:38 PM
Really, they must be eithor showing bad footage because they might not know what GOOD riding really is, or she is nervose. I would be with all those camras watching me and telling me to do better than my best! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

I would HATE that!
The mom should let her take the car, drive her and her sister there, and let the work. Mabe if people are on Vac. they could excerise their horses, or just take care of them. They seem they have the raw talent, and a good amount of training, they just need to get more from the footage saw! They seem to really LOVE horses though, and I think she could still become an olympic equestion if they work a bit harder! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Oh, and I couldn't jump that uphill jump wihtout getting eft behind the first MANY TIMES!
http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif

I hope it all works out for them!
Do you know what collage she will be attending?
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Oh, and they have episodes on a lot at 11:00 down here in AZ! Last night for the 3rd episode was on at 11:30pm! If you cheak bravotv.com, you can see the schedual!

Kindove deepressing show though! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif
But overall, I think these parents really love their kids! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

mcm7780
Jun. 17, 2005, 02:02 PM
Rac22eventerRiDeR -- I was thinking the same thing about the footage -- maybe they just don't know much about riding and just pick whatever they "think" should be used! I doubt Karli (or anyone else in the show) has much (or any) say over what is used.

AppJumpr08
Jun. 17, 2005, 03:20 PM
Karli tried to get a few jobs, but Karen either got her there so late that she was fired, or refused to drive her at all (before she got her license).

She dropped back to training from prelim once before...she is going on what her trainers are telling her.


I don't what schools she applied to - I know she wanted to look at a few in the Boston area, but I'm not sure if Karen ever gave in and took her to see them...

Seal Harbor
Jun. 17, 2005, 03:31 PM
I finally watched this. Oprah had the cheerleader mom and the football dad on her show to get them to talk to a shrink. She thinks (rightly so) that these parents are living through their kids. I think she convinced the football dad to knock it off. Not so sure about cheerleader mom.

Karli really does seem to have a good head on her shoulders. On the episode I watched, the one with mom flaking out regarding Disco getting looked at to be sold, Karli said she was going to go to college, figure out how to pay for it on her own, get a job and go from there. That there is always the future to think of and she can go back to riding and do what she wants.

Her mother is a first class flake OR has some other organic mental problem going on. She goes from one end of the spectrum to the other. The girls look totally bewildered every time she says something to them. I was bewildered at some of the stuff she was saying. They have to be frustrated beyond belief. She sure isn't "there" for them. Kids like to know that their parents are a safe harbor and there is some consistency and stability with them. With their mother it appears the only consistency is that she is inconsistent.

I really felt for them. I can't imagine how frustrating it is for them to live like that. Never knowing what is next. Granted we are seeing snippets of who knows how many hours of filming and they only show the most "interesting" bits, which are taken out of context. Although the fact that mom forgot the girls at the train station can't look much worse no matter the context. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Lynda

jillcharlie
Jun. 17, 2005, 06:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">maybe they just don't know much about riding and just pick whatever they "think" should be used! I doubt Karli (or anyone else in the show) has much (or any) say over what is used. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, if they're just using random footage (which anyone would assume since the cameramen are not riding experts), then I would think the footage is representative of Karli's riding skills.
Not to rant, but I do not blame Karli for being in over her head with this particular horse, including participating in Preliminary events. Trainers these days push kids up, I don't know why, maybe they get commisions on these high priced horses (unfortunately, most trainers in this game for awhile are in this game for the $, and it is very difficult to make $ in horses) or if it makes the trainer more visible in higher levels, but I've seen it time and time again that kids move up levels WAY too fast. It's not their fault and it's very detrimental to the horse (poor disco) and the rider.
Question, is Karli's sister a good rider? She seems like a lovely girl and very interesting.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">do you honestly think that you could gallop up a hill to that fence, on the first try, and not get left behind at all?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Since I'm focused on dressage, probably not, but if my life was eventing, I better be able to do that.

Rac22eventerRiDeR
Jun. 18, 2005, 12:11 AM
Well, mabe they picked out BAD footage! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Just like carmra men to pick out the things that make the people in them look bad! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Oh, and they ussually don't have much say in what is shown and what isn't. The producers pick out thing that will make people watch the show! I really feel bad for them though! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif



I do think the football dad is living through his kid. However, I don't think the cheer mom is NOT living through her daughter Sarah! She is pusing her to hard though in my opinion! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif

Rac22eventerRiDeR
Jun. 18, 2005, 12:14 AM
I think that if Karli gets a degree, pays of student loans if she has to get some, and gets a good job, she really could make it to the olympics! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Rac22eventerRiDeR
Jun. 18, 2005, 12:15 AM
When did opra have them on? I wanted to see it!

AngelEventer
Jun. 18, 2005, 05:45 AM
You know - this thread is probably EXACTLY what Bravo wanted from using the footage that they used. Have you ever thought that they may have used the WORST footage, just to get people talking? To cause drama? Probably.

AppJumpr08
Jun. 18, 2005, 06:35 AM
Karoline was supposed to be on the show also, but Karen sold her horse before they started filming. She is as awesome as Karli, though slightly more laid back. She's quite a good rider also, and it's a shame Rummy was sold before filming happened.

Seal Harbor
Jun. 18, 2005, 06:54 AM
Cheerleader mom and Football Dad on Oprah - I believe it's been on twice. So it was earlier this year and then the repeat was recent, past week, I believe. Oprah was appalled at Cheerleader mom's behavior. The rest of the kids parents on the Bravo show were not on. Perhaps because those two were the worst as far as pushing the kids to do something they happen to be interested in.


Lynda

Rac22eventerRiDeR
Jun. 18, 2005, 04:07 PM
That's such a sad thing! I feel bad for both girls. I bet Karoline was a good rider too, and seems nice in the short clips they show of her in the show. I wonder if they are going to do another season. There are a lot of parents that put their kids through what these kids are going through in the show. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

Hopefully they will get better! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Pol
Jun. 19, 2005, 02:55 AM
So, Disco is listed in the program at GHF this wknd as being ridden by Courtney Brines, owned by Karli....Is Courtney leasing him? Boy, that'd be a kick in the teeth. Or maybe nice that Karli can have her barnmate ride her horse? What a sad story.

AppJumpr08
Jun. 20, 2005, 01:12 PM
I'm not sure Pol! I'm hoping to make it to GHF on sunday... if I do, I'll be sure to find Courtney - she's another really sweet girl. I've lost touch with everyone at Nancy's place, so I'll have to do some sluthing http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Pol
Jun. 20, 2005, 03:57 PM
Courtney and Disco will be at GHF II, as will Nancy...I will be too http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Rac22eventerRiDeR
Jun. 20, 2005, 05:42 PM
I wish I could go to GHF as well! But I can't go all that way! Please let me know if Courtney is only leasing him! That would be better for Karli! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Keep me posted! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

llt
Jun. 21, 2005, 07:54 AM
Whether this kid is a good, bad, or mediocre rider or if the mother was right or wrong to sell the horses from under the kids is not as much an issue to me as leaving two teenage girls stranded at the Hartford train station for over an hour. The girl had already called home once, and she knew the mother had not left the house yet. It was the second call, with the mother acting suprised to hear from them, that finally prompted mom to stop potting plants and go pick them up. Anyone familiar with Hartford knows that the train station is no place for two kids to be sitting for that long. I live in the same town as these children, and although our paths have never crossed, they could come ride my horse anytime, they just seem like they need a break. It is out of line to criticize how much they paid for a horse or board - the kids didn't come up with the money, that is all arranged by the parents.

llt
Jun. 22, 2005, 09:10 AM
Does anyone know what became of the money that the show paid them - does this go for the kid's education, or for the mother to get a new wardrobe to hunt for husband number 4?

AngelEventer
Jun. 23, 2005, 06:34 AM
well, llt, if it isn't appropriate to comment on the outrageous prices being paid for board or horse, then is it really appropriate to comment on where the money went from the show? kind of sounds hyppocritical.

llt
Jun. 23, 2005, 07:10 AM
My point was that the children did not get to make the decisions as to how much money to spend on the horse or board, and the comment on the money from the show was meant to support that - I doubt that the children got to see even a percentage, unless the show writes the contract to hold the money until the child is of age. On a side note, the restaurant Karli worked at was in a fire a few months ago - this poor kid is star crossed.

llt
Jun. 23, 2005, 07:38 AM
I missed the last half of last night's show - what happened.

jillcharlie
Jun. 23, 2005, 11:40 AM
Karli's mom is sooo passive agressive. Mom says she's selling Disco, THEN says, let's talk about it (while the horse in on the selling block). She never seems to understand why Karli is so upset, never cries with her or shows any kind of emotion whatsoever.

Karli seems like a very hard working kid, she works 3 jobs, goes to school, babysits brothers and mom still gives her a hard time and calls her terrible. I really think Karen is completely out there.

Teatime
Jun. 23, 2005, 01:12 PM
Karlie seems like a fine young girl. She needs to get away from that wacko mother. What's with the list of pros and cons related to selling the horse that Karen mentioned? She didn't even remember that she said to sell him. Talk about imbalanced.

llt
Jun. 23, 2005, 07:19 PM
It seems to me that "Mom" loves the camera, and Karli doesn't really open up until the mother is not there. I live in the same town, and I can't wait til the restaurant opens up again so I can meet the kid in person!

eks
Jun. 23, 2005, 08:05 PM
It makes me sad to watch what these 2 girls have to go through. Their mom has no idea how blessed she is to have daughters like this..the mom seems so unstable...thank goodness that she is almost finished school, so she can get away and go to college. Maybe her sister should try to go be with her dad when Karli leaves home.

AppJumpr08
Jun. 24, 2005, 08:31 AM
This is a quote from televisionwithoutpity.com
from someone who has worked with Karen:

Anyone who worked with her at Lenox Hill Hospital could answer these questions. The drama involved just in working with her is tiring. There are 5 kids with 4 fathers... not 4 husbands.
1)The eldest son was from a marriage. That father returned to Iraq/Turkey border when the son was little.
2) It said in a posting on the site that MrPissyPuppy linked that Karli's father is now living in Australia. I'm not sure if that is true or not, because his identity was never shared with Karli, unless that was revealed real recently.
3) Karoline's father was a doctor (resident) in the NICU. Karen spent tens of thousands in legal fees having him deported back to the middle east , but he later returned to the US, along with a monthly check that was not being collected when he was out of the country.
4) The two youngest boys are from this last marriage. She emphatically states on the show that she's is divorcing him, but that seems a little suspect IMO.

When the girls were little, there was a known substance abuse issue. Because it came to involve her time in the hospital, I think they(the hospital) chose to avoid other more public problems by insisting on rehab (which is pretty f****d up for a hospital to do. She should have lost her license.). So that glazed affect may have a reason.
Neonatal NPs can make $1000.00 for an on call 24 hour shift. Even so, I don't think she could "afford" a $40,000 horse on the long term. But knowing how manipulative she can be, "giving" the horse to her daughter always left her with the ability to also take it away.


So I was mistaken...I thought there were 3 fathers...


My personal favorite Karli-Karen story was that one night Karli had been told that it was ok to go out with the guy that she had been dating and some of their friends. When her friends showed up at the house to pick her up, Karen told her she couldn't go. Karli argued for a minute, and then gave up and went up to her room, while her friends left. A bit later, Karen called to Karli and she didn't answer. Karen never checked the girls' room, left the house, and drove around town until she found Karli's friends and boyfriend, when she screamed at them and told them if they didn't tell her where karli was, she would call the cops.... Meanwhile Karli was sitting at home on her bed. Insane...totally insane.

Perfect Pony
Jun. 24, 2005, 08:55 AM
Oh the story is so heartwrencing, it just kills me. Having come from an insane home and left home at 12, 15 and finally for good at 17, I know the struggle dealing with insanity and drug abuse.

So does anyone know if she's now OK? This is when my motherly instict (what little I have) kicks in. I just want to buy her a horse and give her a safe place to live http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Thank God for her she is a beautiful girl with a good head on her shoulders. I hope she can see past all the BS and come out of all this as a healthy adult.

Seal Harbor
Jun. 24, 2005, 09:03 AM
It is difficult to watch the emotional abuse this parent is heaping on her children.

I just hope that the girls are able to survive it and are strong enough to make a better life for themselves. I hope they don't fall for the first guy that has the ability to take them away from this AND that they don't wind up in abusive relationships as adults. This stuff perpetuates itself. They appear to be pretty aware that this is not a normal or desirable way to live.

Lynda

AppJumpr08
Jun. 24, 2005, 09:14 AM
They both have super-good heads on their shoulders - I had some really good talks with them driving to and from horse shows last summer...and I think they realize that slipping into bad relationships is something that is easy to do.
Oh, and the aneroxia comment from Karen? Those two could pack away more food from Boston Market while sitting in the back seat of my truck then I had even seen... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

I can't wait for both girls to get out of the house and into college...best thing that ever happened to them!!

FrittSkritt
Jun. 24, 2005, 09:44 AM
Does anyone have this show on tape? I don't get Bravo, and I really want to watch it!



I knew Karli & Karoline when I was in Pony Club, and they were both really nice kids... I remember Karen being very nice too, but this was 4 years ago, so things do change.

zedcadjna
Jun. 24, 2005, 09:54 AM
I agree the mom is unstable and both girls seem to really want to ride, and I feel mom doesnt want them too... I feel sorry for all the kids this mom is raising..

Seal Harbor
Jun. 24, 2005, 10:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">They both have super-good heads on their shoulders - I had some really good talks with them driving to and from horse shows last summer...and I think they realize that slipping into bad relationships is something that is easy to do. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is great to hear. They do seem to have their self esteem intact. Which is a great thing. That apparently is something their mother can't take away from them no matter how hard she tries.

Lynda

relocatedTXjumpr
Jun. 24, 2005, 11:18 AM
What happened on this weeks episode? I missed it!!

Hilary
Jun. 24, 2005, 11:50 AM
I realized as I was watching yesterday that there was NO RIDING in this episode! They showed the girls raking the arena but the rest of their episode was in the car, the house, the restaurant. If I wasn't interested b/c of the horses I wouldn't be interested at all in this segment - as it is I fast forward through about everyone else.

I have a vague idea from the show what the life of a mini-cheerleader, mini-football star, HS basketball player and teen ice skater do for their sport. There was nothing to show what it actually takes to get a horse to an event beyond arguments with one's mother. I suppose they didn't know what might happen when they started and had to run with what they had, but I'd like to see her ride more.

goobs
Jun. 24, 2005, 12:35 PM
How did this family get picked to be on this show anyway?

Perfect Pony
Jun. 24, 2005, 12:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by goobs:
How did this family get picked to be on this show anyway? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

From what it looks like they picked the most messed up family that they could possibly find!!!

kbalar
Jun. 24, 2005, 01:04 PM
Does anyone know when the show was actually filmed? Is Karli already in college and away from home? It's a shame that the 5 kids are put in a situation like the one portrayed with Karen. Thanks for the info.

Horsessrb
Jun. 24, 2005, 01:20 PM
If they wanted to pick the most messed up family they should have picked a pony kid family that sends an 8 year old down to Florida every weekend with 9000 ponies. Man, some of those pony mom's are whacko! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif No offense to those kids or parents of course....I would have LOVED to show that much!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif My parents just always kept going on and on about how money was used to pay little things "the mortgage" and "your college education". Honestly! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Rac22eventerRiDeR
Jun. 24, 2005, 01:47 PM
there are familys that send their kids all the way down to Flordia to compete in events every weekend? What are they? I have never herd of that! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif so sad! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

mcm7780
Jun. 24, 2005, 02:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rac22eventerRiDeR:
there are familys that send their kids all the way down to Flordia to compete in events every weekend? What are they? I have never herd of that! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif so sad! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh yeah! Little pony riders go down to Florida for the Winter show circuit (hunters and jumpers). I know some eventers do go south for winter, but I've never heard of any little kids going and very few teens do.

AppJumpr08
Jun. 24, 2005, 02:16 PM
The show was filmed from last November through this June, I believe. I'm not sure how Karli and Karoline were selected. Karli was to have finished her Senior year in high school this year...

How she has self esteem left is beyond me...she's been called every name in the book ...think of the worst name you could be called by a parent, and it's probably been used.

Tweeds-n-Kip
Jun. 24, 2005, 08:05 PM
So who anyone here who still rides a bargain basement OTTB please raise their hand http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It seems to me that last time checked Satan still always looking for souls http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I personally have had to do anything and everything in my power, nothing short of selling my soul- to continue to ride-and I think that Karli is not seeing the whole picture, perhaps going out and buying a bargain basement horse you have to make is not nearly as easy or as cool as Disco, but when you are as passionate as she seems to be, you will do ANYTHING to ride, am I right?

Perhaps a small reality check-sure the 45,000 horse is awesome, but how about the satisfaction of completing an event on a horse you trained yourself? Not only is it in the budget for us "little" people who pay all of their own bills, but it also gives you a whole heck of alot more back. In experience and emotional satisfaction, I am right?

Especially the satisfation she would get by knowing that she did it WITHOUT HER MOTHER! the crazy wench. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I do feel for he with her mother troubles, though Karen has some MAJOUR issues!

Although it is sad that she did not keep her grades up in school, (she mentioned in the first episode that she had a C GPA)....that would have helped her greatly when her mother started pulling her BS about school, but one thing to remember is that student loans are not too hard to get and the best thing is that they are not due until you are out of school for 2 years http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

icicle333
Jun. 25, 2005, 07:03 AM
urgh i hate this show so much, but i can't stop watching it...i feel bad for these kids...out of all of them Karli is the only one of them who seems like she isn't being pressured to ride and compete by her parents...

her mom is nuts, i'm sorry the woman is glazed and plastic. i just get the feeling when she is on camera and talking to Karli that she wants to explode and go LOCO but hold back because she knows the camera is there.

poor Karli, like i said she is the only one of those kids who actually seems to have a passion for what she does and her horse is getting taken out from under her.

an aside: i really can't stand the football family.

Darkstar
Jun. 25, 2005, 08:10 AM
I hopped over here from the H/J board (don't lynch me....) and I find this topic highly intresting.

IMHO - I think Karli is a tough kid, but also a little bit on the spoiled side. 45K for a horse for a junior who is struggling to ride Prelim amazes me. I have done the whole PC thing and I have friends that ride at Prelim. Both got horses for under 12K and these horses were NOT off the track, and had jumping experiance. And I think it is great she had Olympic dreams, but she needs to realize that she is a far ways away from even being on the track to the Olympics. To me it looked as if she had a packer NZ TB, who was a saint to put up with her while jumping. Olympic equestrians have to have the guts and skills to ride ANYTHING that comes through the barn.

Ahhh... and the mother. One word - Crazy. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif It just makes me glad that my parents are as great as they are.

PS - to all those who said they needed to go to a H/J barn...while I don't take lightly to the fact my sport has a bad rep - it is way true. 45K for a hunter pony is NOTHING. Not to mention going to WEF or Indio for the whole winter and having the child tutored so it can show.

Perfect Pony
Jun. 25, 2005, 08:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Darkstar:
IMHO - I think Karli is a tough kid, but also a little bit on the spoiled side. 45K for a horse for a junior who is struggling to ride Prelim amazes me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OMOP, Karli is not "spoiled". From what it looks like to me, that expensive horse was just another way for her crazy mother to manipulate her.

We all know that no one NEEDS a 40k NZ eventer to be competitive, I'm sure her coach knows that and could have probably found a nice horse for much cheaper. But it looks to me like her mother enjoys giving her the world just to take it away. It also seems like she was buying love, because i don't really see her earning it.

Parents do bizarre things sometimes, even "good" ones. My SO's mother bought this house that we live in 8 years ago with the deal that she would put the down payment and my SO would pay the mortgage and he could pay her back for the down in a couple years. It took 7 years and her finally dying before he could buy it from his father for 100k more than it was originally bought for, after he paid the mortgage for almost 8 years. And some people see him as "spoiled". All it was was using money to manipulate and it's sad.

KO
Jun. 25, 2005, 12:29 PM
I am really over the reverse snobbery that goes on here about how there is some requirement for a rider to buy a green/cheap horse and make it into a top event horse before she can be considered worthy to enter the eventing elite.

So many people who want to claim they "trained" a horse from nothing to the top event horse of the moment are just ruining young horses left and right. There are very very few people who really have the knowledge and the experience to do such a thing.

I say if the money is available I would rather see someone of Karli's experience go out and buy a well trained horse and learn under the guidance of a good trainer. If the money isn't available then sure go out and get something that needs some work and try and bring it along with the help of a very experienced trainer. But this isn't some requirement of every young person who wants to ride in the olympics.

To suggest that Karli is spoiled based on some reality TV portrayal and because she had a mom and dad willing to buy her a nice horse is just way inappropriate.

JumpingPaints
Jun. 25, 2005, 12:37 PM
I admit I too am a little envious of the fact that Karen bought Karli a $45,000 made horse. Either she made a really foolish financial mistake by buying Karli this horse in the first place, or, as many have attested to, it was a tactic to “buy” Karli’s love and later take away as a demonstration of her power.

I think there may be a hint of resentment of Karli on Karen’s part as well. I went through similar battles with my mother over riding. Although the most my mother agreed to pay for (which she could well afford), were weekly riding lessons; she **relished** taking them away from me if she didn’t approve of my choice of clothes, friends, etc. Sometimes on the way to the lesson, she would stop the car and go back home because of something she thought of that I had done months ago that she didn’t like. She told me there would be no more riding when I was 15. (I was a barn rat who worked weekends and summers in exchange for riding, but because I lived in the city, I had to rely on my parents to get me to the barn, which was 10 minutes from my father’s office). What I have learned about this kind of behavior (after much therapy!), is that my mother resented me (my friends, my boyfriends, the lifestyle I had courtesy of the living my father made, etc.), so she sought to “rain on my parade,” and make me feel small whenever possible. Karli is a young, beautiful, popular girl, and Karen is a frazzled, soon-to-be divorced mother of five. Perhaps she is jealous... I certainly have not heard her offer to buy Karli a less expensive horse with the proceeds from Disco’s sale, so she does seem to be using the selling of Disco to put down Karli and make her feel powerless.

equest
Jun. 25, 2005, 02:15 PM
Jumping in very late on this topic, IMO this type of reality tv show is borderline unethical. Because even though these kids may have a say in whether their screwed up family lives are aired for all of America, I feel that they will regret this all too soon. Additionally, this can't be good for the perception of equestrian sports which is already that of elitist overspenders. I find it unfathomable that mom would take out a second mortgage to buy a horse - but so American in these days of 2d mortages and home equity lines to fund every luxury. Now, predictably, times are tough and the horse has to be sold. What lesson is this for her child? This mom makes the cheerleader mom look normal by comparison!

I really feel for these kids and I hope they come out of this experiance as unscathed as possible..

sspry
Jun. 30, 2005, 07:10 AM
Sheesh- Anyone watch last night? I can't understand why Karen has to play with the girls minds so much. First, she leads them to believe they are going to Florida, then tells them they can't get in, then tells them yes- they get to go! All in about five minute time span. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

LSM1212
Jun. 30, 2005, 07:19 AM
Hey Sarah... it's Linda.

I know, I watched it too... geez. That woman is just sick.

Perfect Pony
Jun. 30, 2005, 08:36 AM
OMG the woman is a FREAK!

It's so hard to watch. Yuk yuk yuk http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

AKDragooPhoto
Jun. 30, 2005, 09:15 AM
I admit I am painfully hooked. But last night's seemed a bit staged. I am wondering how the story would have gone without the filming? Do you think that she would have sent them to Florida if Bravo wasn't following them around? Do you think it was in the contract that she had to go to some sort of competition? What about the timing of the selling the horses just as filming starts?

We all know how much "reality" these shows actually have after editing, etc. But this is really starting to smell funny.

Amy

ohioeventer
Jun. 30, 2005, 09:41 AM
So does anyone know if she actually competes at Canterbury? I tried to find her in the results and was out of luck.

It is sad to say that I am hooked. Luckily I have a DVR, so I can fastforward through most of the annoying families. This stuff is just crazy!

kt
Jun. 30, 2005, 10:09 AM
Another latecomer to this thread, but I have been following the series all along. Most of the time, I sit there with my jaw dropped in absolute disbelief of the madness I'm watching.

I do think that compared to the rest of the parents/children featured, the Karen/Karli dynamic is completely different in that Karen is not the obsessed, frothing-at-the-mouth competitive parent behind the scenes that the others are. No, Karen appears to be just downright crazy. Sometimes I wonder if she is bipolar or suffers from some other mental condition. I cannot imagine having someone that mentally unstable for a parent. You can read the distrust all over those poor girls' faces.

I had suspected it before, but after watching last night's episode, I completely agree with those who are saying this is a control/power issue she is holding over their heads. She seems to damn near RELISH jerking those girls around. It's a total mind game. Who DOES that to their children? Sick, sick, sick.

At first, I was a little miffed at the idea of buying such an expensive horse, the whole second mortgage thing, etc etc... but it's clear to see it's a MUCH more complex issue and it has probably all been created by Karen. I can hardly stand to look at her.

llt
Jun. 30, 2005, 10:12 AM
I am confused - she told the girls they both were going to Florida - wasn't Karoline's horse sold? Also, did anyone else think that Karen, when she was in the middle of her "I don't have a forked tongue" speech scared the bejesus out of her little boy when he came in the door?

Horsessrb
Jun. 30, 2005, 10:21 AM
Ok, so not to spoil the show or anything but I finally found the results of Canterbury. (maybe this is on an earlier page...not sure http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif)

looks like she placed 15th out of 22
49.00 dressage, double clear

http://www.useventing.com/competitions/results/12848.htm

Just FYI. I know I was curious

Perfect Pony
Jun. 30, 2005, 10:26 AM
I don't think her f'ed up mom can handle having a beautiful, intellegent, sane daughter, so she tries to screw her up as best as she can.

I mean, 5 kids by 4 men can't make you feel good about yourself?

Oh, and the Yoga thing just cracked me up. Yeah lady, go "center" yourself. Then take mother's little helper.

S4zeus
Jun. 30, 2005, 10:43 AM
She went training? at Canterbury? I thought she was going Prelim. I understand that is off topic and not at all what this thread has been about, but caught me as odd. I thought she was aiming for a 1 star. I have had to TiVo the last two episodes and reading the posts has made me want to watch them so bad.

LSM1212
Jun. 30, 2005, 11:12 AM
I didn't see the sister's name (Karoline) in the results page.. did she not ride?

fooler
Jun. 30, 2005, 11:19 AM
I wonder why I am wasting my time watching this show http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif The folks are simply amazing.
I caught the Oprah show with the football dad and cheerleading mom. Her audience really settled him down - especially when the mom had to admit their daughter was not receiving the same level of attention & love as their son. The audience reaction rattled both of them. However the cheerleading mom did not appear to see anything wrong with her actions.
I like the basketball mom - she appears to be trying to do the best for her daughter - school, sport and life (just no boyfriend). Not outrageous.
The skater boy - I missed his sessions last night, but he doesn't really seem to be in it.
I really don't have polite words to describe Karen. She is manipulating her kids in the worse possible ways. Calling Karoline a P Hilton, while the kid is out mucking stalls to help pay board on a horse about to be sold out front under her? Then the comments in the kitchen & the 'sweetness' for the boys, ugh! Really loved "HER" exercise segment. Sorry, but it sure looked like an ad for husband #5 - "look how 'flexible' (wink-wink) and strong I am", barf.
At the moment all I can do is send hugs and best wishes to the girls. I hope they leave that house (it isn't a home) soon and can find peace on their own.

jillcharlie
Jul. 1, 2005, 04:42 AM
I think Karen is very jealous of her beautiful daughters. Who is older, Karli or Karoline?

Looks like Karli didn't do very well in dressage but aced the rest of the event. Was anybody there, what happened in Dressage, did she forget the course?

Lionheart
Jul. 1, 2005, 02:18 PM
I am also a late comer to the discussion here. I was turned onto the show by my physical therapist while going for a tear in my MCL in my knee from falling off XC schooling the beginning of the month. She had all sorts of questions for me, it's the only way i knew this show even exsisted.

I have the DVR so I can watch when i get home from the barn, and i have to say I am so happy to hear some of the comments made by the rest of you becuase i was thinking i was the only one... Snapping up over fences, catching the horse in the mouth, Mom has lost her mind forgetting the horse was for sale, etc.

I know that Jess says she's seen Karli ride in person and that it was a bad representation of her abilities, but does anyone really think that the camera guys/producers know enough about riding to pick the BAD stuff for drama? I highly doubt it. And they did show some indoor jumping and she was still snapping up in the air over the fences. Especially in stadium when your horse is tired you dont want to risk a rail from the hind end coming down if you snap up over your fences!

I do think in general the girls are good girls. Although my husband and i were appalled at Karli swearing at her mother in the car. My mom would have slammed on the brakes and backhanded me quicker than i could get the next word out. I dont care how loopy your parents are, they keep a roof over your head, you dont disrespect them that way to their face, much less on national TV! All in all tho they appear to be good hard working girls with their heads on pretty straight.

I do think there are other alternatives to selling the horses, cheaper barn, less lessons/competitions, etc as has been stated before.

I know this is slightly off topic, but since everyone is on the same page about her not looking the best over fences... Where was her BODY PROTECTOR? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gifI didnt see one on her body unless it was the exact color of her shirt that she was wearing. And Bruce, lord knows i love Bruce and he's been riding longer than I've been alive, but hasnt he had enough crashes to make sure this young girl has on her vest? And why is he jumping a large fence with draw reins? Like i said, lord knows he's been riding longer than i've been alive, but i cant fathom jumping in draw reins. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Anyway, i'm off my soapbox... everyone have a great and safe 4th of July!

Albion
Jul. 1, 2005, 02:33 PM
Oh for heaven's sakes.

The girl was being filmed for a NATIONAL TV SERIES. How many people ride beautifully at home & then choke up in the show ring when they're under pressure? I've seen more than one person I KNOW can ride beautifully totally eat it in a situation where they're under pressure. Talk about pressure! A whole lot of people in America are going to be watching you & she's probably smart enough to realize that the riders out there watching were going to nit-pick her apart. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif And unlike show ring nerves, I think it takes quite a bit of practice to get comfortable in front of cameras. Especially when you're going to be on cable and replayed ad nauseum, as Bravo is wont to do with their series.

I'm an intelligent and very articulate person, but when you stick me in front of a lot of people to talk, I go into deer-in-the-headlights mode and stumble my way through subjects I know like the back of my hand. I revert back to bad habits, and I know a lot of people do under times of stress.

mbj
Jul. 2, 2005, 02:46 AM
Don't have a tv so can't comment from having seen this show,but in general...

I wouldn't assume that the edited down material aired has much to do with reality.The show is to entertain and sell ad time.

I for one also worry about the assumption that most anyone can correctly retrain an OTTB or other young horse. Alot of good kids probably don't have the time (with school,jobs,etc)to both work on their basic riding and horsemanship skills and also learn how to correctly bring on a young horse.Not a particularly happy situation for either young horse or young rider. Both may get bad defensive habits.

Seems kinder all around to start with a packer so the kid can focus on getting strong basics (seat, eye, nerves...)and some miles. And a packer doesn't have to be fancy or expensive. In fact, a little less sensitive and fancy is probably good.Then the next horse could be a been there ,done that guy getting on in years,with maybe some soundness issues that mean light competing and learning good horse management that can take a kid with good basics up a level. This horse is not a push button, but rewards a good ride with a good go, and may stop or chip if the ride is poor, but still be safe.

Bringing on a young horse correctly requires alot of good basics as well as the goal shifting from moving rider up through levels to doing what is best for horse, which may even mean switching to training for the discipline the horse will be best at/happiest at. It's great for kids to learn how to do, but hard for many kids to have the time to do both,or for parents to have time and $ to drive kid to barn all the time and pay bills.It has all gotten alot more expensive than when I was a kid doing it all on the family farm. That kind of immersion is now a luxury for many families,with sky-rocketing land prices, etc.

So just please be careful about judging this particular family.I doubt anyone has the whole story.

mcm7780
Jul. 2, 2005, 08:01 AM
mbj -- You bring up a lot fo good points. How do you live without a TV?!? (In this day and age, I couldn't imagine it! *L*) The girl on the show actually has a $40K TB her mom bought from NZ by putting a second mortage on the house. The horse has done three days, etc. She had a packer before this horse. People here are suggesting she get an OTTB because her mom has decided to sell the horse and says it's too much money for her to have one. Well, OTTBs are damn cheap! *L* But you are right, they take a lot of time, effort, and knowledge.

RacetrackReject
Jul. 2, 2005, 11:23 AM
I noticed on earlier posts to this thread that people were estimating the board cost for Disco at around $1k/month. Did anyone else hear Karli say that she works off Disco's board at the barn and that it is $400/month? Just curious to know if I heard right or not. If I did, then Karen isn't really out much money for Disco unless they show, right?

mcm7780
Jul. 2, 2005, 12:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RacetrackReject:
I noticed on earlier posts to this thread that people were estimating the board cost for Disco at around $1k/month. Did anyone else hear Karli say that she works off Disco's board at the barn and that it is $400/month? Just curious to know if I heard right or not. If I did, then Karen isn't really out much money for Disco unless they show, right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not quite: she spent $40k for the horse, so she's out $40k right off the bat! Now, she may be able to sell him for more... Also, if they keep the horse, they still have to pay for shoes, vet bills, lessons, etc. Well, they may not have to pay for lessons: I know I didn't have to take lessons where I rode, but you have to at some places. So say they just have to pay board ($400), shoes (~$100), and vet stuff a month: that is at least $500 a month (and I didn't include any vet stuff since it can vary so much). Times that by 2 for the sister's horse and your out $1,000 a month on top of the lump sum paid for the two horses. (Oh, wait: the sister's horse was sold, right?) Horses are like boats: once you buy one, you are just going to have to keep putting money into it! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

AppJumpr08
Jul. 2, 2005, 12:45 PM
Karli is older then Karoline.
Karloine was riding a project of Nancy's at home (the chunky little bay mare with the big blaze), but the mare hadn't competed yet, so I would assume that's why Karline didn't ride her at Canterbury.

As for Karli going training at Canterbury: it was her first competition in months - advanced riders don't start their horses off in an A for the first event of the year, they start with an I or even a P...cut her some slack!!!

While agree it's not kosher to swear at her mom, Karen calls her a slut, bi*ch, every name in the book...and I've heard it. So it's not like she has a good roll model.

As for the 40K. Yup it's a ton, but when he was listed for 45K last summer, Nancy tried to talk ME into it!!! (mind you, at the time, I was working for Nancy for room and board...had 3 horses already...the last one was purchased for $3500...it was all I could do to not laugh at her http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) She's very into getting her students seasoned packers that cost a fortune. While I agree that you will learn to ride correctly on a horse that just needs the correct cues, it's not reasonable for most of us. My star pony at the moment is an OTTB who I bought 3 years ago...and we're just in the last 6 months really starting to shine http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

RacetrackReject
Jul. 2, 2005, 02:29 PM
I guess I assumed that Karli had 3 jobs to help pay for the extras like shoes, lessons, et al. I know the horse cost $40k, but that is already paid. I was referring to maintenance costs.

Oh hell, I just think Karen is a bitch period. Make that a crazy bitch.

mcm7780
Jul. 2, 2005, 02:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Oh hell, I just think Karen is a bitch period. Make that a crazy bitch. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Haha! I think most agree with ya!

onwardb
Jul. 2, 2005, 05:15 PM
Another latecomer to the thread, but OMG I'm so glad I found you all!!!

This show, and these people, are driving me crazy... I swear I should stop watching, but I simply *can't*!!!

I'm a mom with a bunch of kids, who btw all have the same Dad AND we're still married http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif...

My heart simply aches for these two girls - not to mention the other 3 kids in this family...

The mother is simply nuckin futs - and IMHO Karli was chosen for this show because her superpsycho mother seems to be *derailing* her extraordinary efforts to participate in a sport she loves, while the other psycho parents (excluding the BB coach/mom) are doing everything possible to push their kids into sports that the kids seem to participate in *only to please their parents*.

Dear lawd, if I could, I'd adopt the whole lot of them...

Now granted, the 40K NZ TB's would be out of the question for Karli and Karoline here, but hey - 3 squares, 2 nosey but loving parents, big hugs, sibling cheers and a bunch of sweet old reliable nags to love and ride seem to me would be a very large step up from what must be one hellacious exsistence.

I truly do feel for those girls...

FrittSkritt
Jul. 3, 2005, 08:19 PM
I thought I read somewhere that Disco wasn't exactly a "packer" - the reason he was 40K was that he was difficult to ride, but could compete in a 1* or more.

True, buying/retraining a OTTB isn't going to pave the way to super-stardom in the event world, nor is it something a beginner should do... but there are many, many horses out there that are worthy of T/P that need some finishing up and go for just as cheap.

Heck, if she wanted the "best and safest" horse (as indicated in the audition video), then I think she should have looked a little harder... there are *plenty* of packers out there that she could have gotten for less. They may have been older and not as fancy, but they would have gotten the job done and taught Karli the essentials.

teal tea
Jul. 3, 2005, 08:35 PM
OMG. Was this the show about talented kids that depicted different events? I saw what I guess is the beginning of the series purely by accident. I was channel flicking. I'm so mad. I knew there was a reason that a couple of weeks ago I was sure there was something on cable that I had to watch.

It would have been nice to keep up w/ the whole story. That's if this is the same show that I was watching. The episode I watched didn't focus too much on the riding. I believe there was also a male figure skater and a female basketball player. If this is the show, I did think some of the kids were somewhat rude to their parents. They showed a clip of the ice skater saying how he hated his parents and his sibling. I realize that lots of kids say things like this; but I couldn't see why the kid was saying things like this since his parents were doing everything to help him. Maybe it was bad editing on part of the series.

I was also lost on what the acutal situation was between the girl and her mom. I'm going to read all of the pages and see if I can figure that out. In the episode I saw an angry mother and daughter talking about the horse and it being sold. So again this may have been bad editing or it could have been the fact that I came into the episode in the last half. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif I could understand the basketball girl's problem though.

Oh well, maybe this will come out on DVD. I think this is the only way I'll be able to watch it. I doubt they'll repeat it.

Ok, I've read the whole thread now. I think the reason I was confused was b/c in the episode I watched, the mother "seemed" to have forgotten that the horse was for sale. The daughter was the one who was correcting her mom and telling her that the horse was for sale.

From what I've read, this seems like a dysfunctional family. I mean the mother threatening to sell the horse on a somewhat regular basis? And I had forgotten about the little cheerleader. It seemed that the kid just wanted to have fun cheerleading and the mom was turning it into something else. Can I say I'm so mad I forgot to watch the whole series. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif I kept think it was Nanny 411 that I wanted to watch ( I had just watch an episode of that series while I had been channel surfing a couple of days before I saw the Bravo show).

EponaRoan
Jul. 3, 2005, 09:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Oh well, maybe this will come out on DVD. I think this is the only way I'll be able to watch it. I doubt they'll repeat it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, they'll repeat it all right. They've repeated Showbiz Moms & Dads & Showdog Moms & Dads already, so I'm sure this will get shown again in a marathon. Bravo repeats stuff lots of times.

AppJumpr08
Jul. 4, 2005, 04:57 PM
Again: it was the coach, not the mother who decided to get a horse from NZ. She tried to do the same last year. I have lots of respect for Nancy and what she has done for the girls (and for me with my difficult horse last summer), but she is very quick to tell people they need a $40K horse...remember, people like Karen (no matter how psychotic) go with what the experts tell them to do...

Carol Ames
Jul. 4, 2005, 05:24 PM
Pleasse , somebody tell me the title of this series; http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif I check the "guide" for Bravo almost every day, but still can't find it. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Pol
Jul. 4, 2005, 05:48 PM
Carol- I *think* it is called SPORTS KIDS, MOMS AND DADS. It is firghtful. Here in MA, it comes on Wednesdays at 10 PM. Karli is the sweetest kid on earth, (I don't know Karoline) their coach is great and they are stuck in a living nightmare. You'll be horrified that any parent anywhere could treat their kids in the ways depicted on this show. Horrors.

DunBar
Jul. 4, 2005, 05:50 PM
Carol - The show is called Sports Kids Moms and Dads and new episodes air on Wednesday nights. Hope that helps!

EponaRoan
Jul. 4, 2005, 07:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carol Ames:
Pleasse , somebody tell me the title of this series; I check the "guide" for Bravo almost every day, but still can't find it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sports Kids Moms & Dads. New shows air on Wednesday evenings at 10 EDT/9 CDT.

http://www.bravotv.com/Sports_Kids_Moms_&_Dads/ (http://www.bravotv.com/Sports_Kids_Moms_&amp;_Dads/)

All times below are Eastern.

Wed, Jul 6 10:00 PM Sports Kids Moms & Dads
106

Sat, Jul 9 12:00 PM Sports Kids Moms & Dads
106

Wed, Jul 13 10:00 PM Sports Kids Moms & Dads
107

Sun, Jul 17 1:00 PM Sports Kids Moms & Dads
107

Mon, Jul 18 2:00 AM Sports Kids Moms & Dads
107

Wed, Jul 20 10:00 PM Sports Kids Moms & Dads
108

Right now they seem to be showing and reshowing Blow Out (about an obnoxious hairdresser) and Being Bobby Brown, but they'll get tired of that and do the same thing with Sports Kids. I think there are only 8 episodes, so it should happen after the 20th.

horseygrl5
Jul. 6, 2005, 04:31 PM
I have heard alot of people talking about this show lately. I read a few pages of this thread and now I MUST see this show for myself tonight. My question is, how does the show work? I mean in the 1 hour do they show all 5 kids? At first I thought it was like each full hour was dedicated to one kid at a time, but after looking at the website it seems that in the 1 hour they show updates on all 5 kids. Is that true or am I totally wrong?

Carol Ames
Jul. 6, 2005, 04:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">EponaRoan </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">EponaRoan </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Carol Ames
Jul. 6, 2005, 05:05 PM
Thank you! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
[QUOTE]EponaRoan[
[QUOTE]EponaRoan

EponaRoan
Jul. 7, 2005, 01:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by onwardb:
Dear lawd, if I could, I'd adopt the whole lot of them... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My vote is that you adopt them. Good grief, I feel for those two girls & am very glad that they have each other. Can you imagine dealing with that mother without someone who understands you and has your back? AIII! At least they're 14 & 16 and can see the light at the end of the tunnel when they escape to college or wherever.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">My question is, how does the show work? I mean in the 1 hour do they show all 5 kids? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, they show short segments on each kid. Last night had the skater in competition and at home watching the tape, the basketball player at a game and on a group date & her mother out with friends, football player at a game & at home with father discussing his nutrition philosphy http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif , cheer girl at competition and shopping for a costume and horsey girls getting ready for a trip to Florida at barn, home, school and airport. There's an additional kid on the Bravo website who is a soccer player, but I haven't watched/read about those.

Summershyne7
Jul. 7, 2005, 08:43 PM
I have watched this show from the beginning. I felt for Karli from the start. My mom snatched my horse right out from under me too. I was only 12, though and had just moved up to novice jumpers, so I know Karli has had it much harder. It's silly, but I still get mad when I think about it.

But, I've had to get my act together and finally realize that if I wanted to do it, I would have to get a degree in a well paying field and do it myself. It's a diffcult lesson to learn, that you and you alone are responsible for your reactions no matter what other people do. Blaming others won't make anything better, it'll just make you bitter. Took me lots of years to learn, and it gives me great respect for Karli as she's 17 and already understands that.

Summershyne7
Jul. 13, 2005, 01:58 PM
New episode tonight! 10e/9c

horseygrl5
Jul. 13, 2005, 02:25 PM
I watched the show for the first time last week and I loved it. I am definitely watching it again tonight!

goodymar1188
Jul. 13, 2005, 03:58 PM
Thanks for the reminder Summershyne! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It's quite an interesting show (to say the least) and so I'll be tuned in at 9pm as usual.

janedoe726
Jul. 13, 2005, 09:27 PM
Ok, did anyone else cry when Karli was doing her last course with Disco? Water works here... I'd be so upset knowing I was loosing my horse that I don't know that I'd be able to ride!

eventable
Jul. 13, 2005, 09:45 PM
For those of us living in third-world countries http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I think it's time someone gave us an episode update...please?

MistyBlue
Jul. 14, 2005, 04:32 AM
Hopping over from other boards. I watched a few earlier episodes of this show, but haven't watched in a while. So they did have to sell their horses? Ugh, crap. This family lives about 30 minutes from me, in a town I lived in for years. Makes me almost wish one of my horses were eventing material since I can't ride two at once I'd offer riding time on the other for the poor kid.
If it were my children...I'd sell the house and downsize first before dumping the horses. Real estate in that town has jumped by large percentages in the last decade. Horses are a great way to keep the kids on the straight and narrow...especially in that town. Semi-ritzy but loaded with privileged delinquents.

Pol
Jul. 14, 2005, 04:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by janedoe726:
Ok, did anyone else cry when Karli was doing her last course with Disco? Water works here... I'd be so upset knowing I was loosing my horse that I don't know that I'd be able to ride! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Me too. My husband arrived at home to find me weeeeeping... He's used to it, but jeeze. That poor girl. Her mother was all sweet and sugary, eh? Just in time to rip Karli's heart out again. Lordy, what parents can do to their kids just makes me CRAZY.

relocatedTXjumpr
Jul. 14, 2005, 06:12 AM
So what happned? Did she ride her course and Mom yanked the horse away and tell her hes sold...or what?

Snap
Jul. 14, 2005, 06:33 AM
No, she rode her course the last time and the next day she was going to say goodbye to him alone. He is staying in FL to be sold so the girls are going back to CT. It is very sad but at least she did get that one last time to compete with him.

ohioeventer
Jul. 14, 2005, 07:23 AM
Ok, I thought that she placed 15th, but on the show they said she placed 5th overall. What's up with that?

It really steamed me that the mom acted like she was all torn up about it being the last time for Disco and Karli. Oh whoa is me. Let the girl have her glory, I wish she would stop trying to steal the moment! (sorry, I just had to get that out http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif)

Teatime
Jul. 14, 2005, 10:47 AM
I saw lastnight's epi. I looked up the placings and the divisions offered. That wasn't a one star from what I could see on the USEA website. But everyone keeps referring to it as one in the show. Does anyone know what's up with that?

I didn't understand what the story was with the telling of her 5th/15th place either. The results page shows her as 15th with a final score of 49.

That's reality television for you, I guess!

Gunnar
Jul. 14, 2005, 10:52 AM
I wa excited for Karli last night. I thought she rode pretty well in the SJ and what they showed of the XC was better than earlier. Bravo is confused when they show her jumping a small X as part of her XC and then the last jump she will ever jump Disco over was just a small vertical. I assume these were in the warm up area and not on the XC. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It was sad to see Karli and Disco!!
http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

clivers
Jul. 14, 2005, 11:01 AM
Super dumb question (forgive me!) but does anyone know if the show is airing in Canada (Ontario). Many thanks http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Pocket Pony
Jul. 14, 2005, 11:47 AM
Does it really get that cold in Florida? They all seemed to be freezing and the foliage didn't look at all like FLA to me. And how could it be a one star event if it was held only on two days? (dressage/SJ on Sat and XC on Sun) I feel bad for Karli. I think she is a really good kid, despite having a crazy mom. She obviously loves her horse and is handling the situation very well.

I just wish that the editors would get their shit together . . . don't they realize that people who ride will be watching? Ummmm...a crossrail in the warm-up ring is not great footage for showing their "last fence together". http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif They could have edited in any other fence on that course and we would be less the wiser than we are about the warm-up fences!!

kbalar
Jul. 14, 2005, 11:55 AM
Yea, I was also confused with the 5th/15th place overall standing. This may be a dumb question, but on the USEA results page it says that the event was held at newberry, fl. On the show last night, the event was said to be held at ocala, fl. Is it the same event that they showed? thanks for the info.

bccalhoun
Jul. 14, 2005, 11:59 AM
we were trying to figure out which show she would have been at. We were at the first show & yes it was freezing there but there was a lot of people & in the show it didn't look like a lot of people there.

kt
Jul. 14, 2005, 12:11 PM
I'm pretty sure it was said a few pages back that she was riding at training level at this event. And from what I saw on the episodes beforehand, the event was always referred to as "Canterbury Horse Trials." I think the big deal about the event was that it would be the last one Karli did with Disco, not that it would be her goal of a one-star.

However, I do agree completely that it was very poor editing/judgment that led to showing the warm-up verticle as the last fence. In fact, I have gotten to the point where I almost cringe when they start showing the horse segments, because I know they will do a crappy job of presenting everything.

FlightCheck
Jul. 14, 2005, 12:17 PM
She was riding the Training course...

We were there at that event; it was colder on Saturday than Sunday...(BTW, I have been at Canterbury when it is 18 degrees, and so,yes, it does get that cold in FL!

I did see last night's episode - it was the only one I had watched, so I can't comment on anything other than last night's episode, but I thought they portrayed her trainer as rather whiney ("if she had gotten to trot around the dressage ring it would have been better"). I am sure the trainer is NOT like that in real life!!

kbalar
Jul. 14, 2005, 01:23 PM
Was the event on 1/15/05?

ohioeventer
Jul. 14, 2005, 03:00 PM
I second FlightCheck! Isn't warm-up to be done in the warm-up ring not your trot around the competition ring? Seriously- if you are not ready as you go up to compete, I don't think one time around is really going to help much. Not to mention, she could have taken her 45 seconds.

Man, I sound really bratty today! I think I should ban myself from this show- my bf agrees http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

AppJumpr08
Jul. 14, 2005, 03:53 PM
They just called Canterbury at * on the show because it sounded better... Yes, it was the first Canterbury of the year.. and Yes, it does get that cold in that part of FL...when I was in Ocala 2 winters ago, it got down to 24 degrees one night...and i was sleeping in my horse trailer!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I didn't catch the last 2 episodes (walking a colicing horse during last weeks, and sleeping off the fever I developed due to aforementioned horse during this weeks...), but I'm figuring what Nancy ment by the trotting around the ring comment was that both Disco and Karli could get quite tense...and the trot around would've gotten them both to take a breath... we all know how different the warmup and the ring itself can feel!!!

Pol
Jul. 14, 2005, 07:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AppJumpr08:
Yes, it does get that cold in that part of FL...when I was in Ocala 2 winters ago, it got down to 24 degrees one night...and i was sleeping in my horse trailer!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Do I know you? Emstah was in Ocala for a while 2 winters ago, sleeping in HER trailer, FREEEEEEZING to death under all the coolers and horse blankets she could find! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif

AppJumpr08
Jul. 15, 2005, 09:04 AM
Pol - I'm not sure...haven't really been doing much in the way of eventing this summer... Ever winter I've been in FL I've been with Bruce and Buck (and the last winter I was there I spent half the winter with each...) Rode with Nancy Cole last year (and was a WS from May thru September...)
Who was Emstah with?

zedcadjna
Jul. 15, 2005, 09:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pocket Pony:
Does it really get that cold in Florida? They all seemed to be freezing and the foliage didn't look at all like FLA to me. And how could it be a one star event if it was held only on two days? (dressage/SJ on Sat and XC on Sun) I feel bad for Karli. I think she is a really good kid, despite having a crazy mom. She obviously loves her horse and is handling the situation very well.

I just wish that the editors would get their shit together . . . don't they realize that people who ride will be watching? Ummmm...a crossrail in the warm-up ring is not great footage for showing their "last fence together". http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif They could have edited in any other fence on that course and we would be less the wiser than we are about the warm-up fences!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes it can get cold from central to N. Fla, I rode in a rodney jenkins Clinic in the 80' and it was about 30 degress that day and freezing it can get like 15 degrees up that way....

Yes it can get very cold we even had a few flakes of snow fall that yr in S. Fla...

horseygrl5
Jul. 20, 2005, 04:52 PM
New episode tonight!!!! I am so addicted to this show now. It is going to be really sad watching Karli say her last goodbye to Disco.

llt
Jul. 20, 2005, 09:17 PM
I MISSED IT!!!!!!!!!!! and Bravo doesn't have any repeats scheduled.

JumpingPaints
Jul. 20, 2005, 09:33 PM
So Karen is now taking a two month vacation away from her family "to get strong"??? WTF!

I think she must be going to rehab. How else could she justify leaving her 5 school age children with live-in nanny, and not working for two months, while supposedly in a financial crunch??

aqhmom
Jul. 20, 2005, 11:13 PM
JumpingPaints: I totally agree and I had the same thought. If she is soooo desperate for money that she has to rip her daughters' hearts out, where does she get off going on a 2 month vacation?

What a crock of sh*t!

ashebrook
Jul. 21, 2005, 06:19 AM
I have been watching this show all along and reading this thread as well. As crazy as this show has been, I never felt the need to post until I watched Karen's "I need ME time" speech.

I am a mother of two pre-teen daughters and I was HORRIFIED by that woman and her TWO MONTH "vacation" just boggles my mind!

How poor Karli is suppposed to take care of herself, three jobs, her siblings, that house and somehow get into college and get ready to start her adult life, without ANY assistance from her mother, is beyond me.

ohioeventer
Jul. 21, 2005, 07:49 AM
Amen! At least now we see why selling Disco was so urgent. Mommy needed to get away from the life she created. It makes me sick http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif. Not to mention that she wouldn't let Karli have the goodbye time that she needed alone (at least that is what it looked like)

I still don't understand though why Karli says (in a matter of words)that her riding career is over. There are plenty of options. I just hope she is in the doldrums, and after she begins to recover from having to give up Disco, she realizes that her riding career is just starting. How many of us have loved and lost in the horse world over and over again. Heres hoping that she can overcome the plate full of crap that her mom has given her. I feel for Karoline once Karli is out of the house...

Aptor Hours
Jul. 21, 2005, 10:17 AM
Darn I missed it! I can't believe the mother has to go on a two month vacation. I didn't see it but I am sure it is some kind of yoga type retreat. I love yoga but for some reason it seems like all my yoga partners have to divorce, find themselves, not work and just "talk about how they feel a lot". Strange strange strange.

JER
Jul. 21, 2005, 10:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">How poor Karli is suppposed to take care of herself, three jobs, her siblings, that house and somehow get into college and get ready to start her adult life, without ANY assistance from her mother, is beyond me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mommy Dearest is now running afoul of the law.

Child abandonment is child abandonment whether it is done in an upscale neighborhood or on the streets. It's time to call the local children's services agency.

ADizzyGirl
Jul. 21, 2005, 11:13 AM
Ahh.. I saw the new episode last night also, and like a few others, did not feel the need to vent on this thread until now. I absolutely cannot believe that Karen had the nerve to sell her daughters' horses and promptly take off on a two-month vacation to study yoga! What is wrong with that woman?? Coming from a less-than-wealthy family, I can understand having to give up the horses for financial reasons, but Karen taking away her daughters' refuge, the sport they love, and then leaving on a vacation of her own in the midst of these supposed money problems completely baffles me. Poor kids.. they were probably better off without her around, anyway.

As someone who had to leave eventing/riding for financial reasons and is now getting back into it, as well as someone who has had many horses sold out from under her (none I ever actually owned myself, however), I can attest that it feels like the end of the world while it's happening. I think that if Karoline and Karli really want to keep riding, they'll be able to find a way, even if it's not the most ideal situation. Hopefully they'll be much stronger as people and as riders after going through all this and dealing with their insane mother.

JumpingPaints
Jul. 21, 2005, 11:21 AM
In retrospect, I retract my statement about her going to rehab... because the first step in any rehab would be admitting she has a problem (any problem!!).

Now I am certain she's &lt;snip&gt; going to get a plasic surgery overhaul to prepare for ensnaring husband #4/5? Then of course, off to a chi-chi spa/yoga retreato to recuperate and relax... and contemplate her navel.

I hope Oprah's people are on this - I would love to see her get a good cableworthy tongue lashing.

rubies
Jul. 21, 2005, 11:22 AM
This is posted on the Bravo board this morning:
[QUOTE]If anyone who knows Karen and the children want to save at least some of the children from the lifestyle they're in, you can send mail to cottonhallow@yahoo.com.
The e-mail is connected to a parent of Karen's children who is going for custody after watching the show.[QUOTE]
PLEASE...anyone who knows them, contact him. Thanks.

JAGold
Jul. 21, 2005, 11:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JER:
Mommy Dearest is now running afoul of the law.

Child abandonment is child abandonment whether it is done in an upscale neighborhood or on the streets. It's time to call the local children's services agency. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think that she is leaving the kids in the care of a live-in nanny, which may be dubious parenting but is not illegal. --Jess

RacetrackReject
Jul. 21, 2005, 12:20 PM
That whole "now that I found a live-in nanny" thing really pissed me off. The going away for yoga thing just topped it off.
I thought, as someone else mentioned, that possibly she was going for some sort of "mental retreat" at one of those lovely rehab facilities.

Did you guys read the updates afterwards? It said that Karen took out another mortgage on the house to pay for her trip and that Disco still has not sold.

I feel so badly for those kids. I believe that Karli was saying that riding is over because her mom kept stating how horses were now out of their life. I think Karen is putting the stop on all horse activity period, not just selling Disco and Karoline's horse.

ashebrook
Jul. 21, 2005, 01:12 PM
I hope Karli ends up at a college that has a great equestrian program and she gets to ride to her heart's content.

I think her statements about riding being over for her are just due to her age. At 17 lots of things feel like that end of the world and most 17 year olds are not experienced enough to think through acceptable alternatives. It isn't like her mother has offered any assistance finding her cheap/free rides.

That poor kid got screwed in the parent department, but she sure won the lottery for looks. What a beautiful girl!

KO
Jul. 21, 2005, 02:01 PM
Sad sad sad. The lesson here is that horses are expensive and every parent and horse crazy kid needs to have a contigency plan well understood ahead of time.

I had a little pony that I did 4-H with as a kid and I knew that I had that horse because of the sacrifice my parents were making in thier own personal areas--mom went down to once a month from her weekly salon appointments (this was the 60s). And my dad cut down his golf time. I cleaned out stalls and gave pony rides to help with the cost when I was 12.

But more importantly I knew from the start that I would have to sell this horse when I went to college. And I was also told that if there was any type of financial emergency that the pony would be the first thing that would be sold. I had to agree to that before the purchase of the pony and my parents reminded me of that from time to time. When it came time to give up the pony it was not a shock. It was my first real lesson in living up to my commitment.

It does not sound like there was any plan associated with the ownership of the horse so the girls rightly assumed this horse would be around no matter what. Shame on the parents. I think all parents need to spend time with the child and map out what happens to the horse if someone gets sick or Dad looses his job or whatever. Kids need to remember they are part of a family and may have to make sacrifices. Too many kids today think they are owed unlimited financial support for non essential activities.

3Day-Eventer
Jul. 21, 2005, 05:38 PM
A little off the subject, but did the little cheerleader girl win the big "crown pleaser" at Nationals? I flipped the channel at the commercial, and missed that part. They seemed dissapointed at the very end, so I was just wondering.

Perfect Pony
Jul. 21, 2005, 05:48 PM
This all makes me just too sad for words. I just realized I AM old enough to adopt a child...I'm an adult (LOL, that just occured to me http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I'd love to adopt a lovely 17 year old that rides. She can have the guest room, a horse to ride, and go to UC Berkeley down the road.

I feel so sorry for her. What a psycho mom.

horseygrl5
Jul. 21, 2005, 05:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 3Day-Eventer:
A little off the subject, but did the little cheerleader girl win the big "crown pleaser" at Nationals? I flipped the channel at the commercial, and missed that part. They seemed dissapointed at the very end, so I was just wondering. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, the cheerleader girl, Sarah, did win "crowd pleaser" at nationals.

So this was the final episode right?

JER
Jul. 21, 2005, 06:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">...The e-mail is connected to a parent of Karen's children who is going for custody after watching the show... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good. I was wondering if this would happen, especially as leaving kids with a non-family person for extended periods of time often requires the consent of the other parent. However, I also recall that this woman had a few non-US-citizen husbands (it was said she had one deported!) so it might be taking some time for the series to play in their market.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">that just occured to me Wink I'd love to adopt a lovely 17 year old that rides </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Been there, done that, except she was a bit younger. Not the easiest thing to take on as a young single person but I couldn't have lived with myself if I didn't take action when I saw what was happening. Which is probably why I haven't seen this show -- I just don't have the stomach for horror.

Finnegan
Jul. 21, 2005, 06:34 PM
Ok, I am quite slow witted at times and can't often catch the show so I need some help catching up a bit. Could you fill me in on Disco at all?

Is he sold?

How old is he?

What level can he run competently? (I've missed most of the horse show shots, but seemed to have seen EVERY cheerleading/dancing competition.)

I'm dead curious what they're asking for him (being that he's been on TV and all!)

Seeing that I know someone who threw away their old life to take on Bikram Yoga as their whole LIFE, I could see it coming from the nutty mom. Nothing against Bikram-ers, but what is it that makes some of them want to run away for 8 weeks to complete a $6k course???

~Bev

Foireann Eireannach
Jul. 21, 2005, 07:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">...The e-mail is connected to a parent of Karen's children who is going for custody after watching the show... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unfortunately this only relates to the two young boys. Karli and Karoline have different fathers (from the boys and themselves). If I was Karoline's father, I would move heaven and earth to get her back. Where is he? If I were him, I would also "rescue" Karli, because the sisters seem to be a team and need each other for support (Too bad Karli's father is in Australia - apparently deported courtesy of the mother). The oldest boy is an adult already.

I wish we could adopt Karli and Karoline, regardless of the hassles. In any event, they would certainly be welcome to come with us for a week of eventing training in Ireland next year - no need for the mother (if she is even around next year) to take out another mortgage - we would love to give them a break from the mother.

It may seem like forever to them, but Karli and Karoline will probably have the opportunity to take back up riding as adults, even if they can't figure out how to keep riding now.

eventable
Jul. 21, 2005, 07:17 PM
For that matter, there's no reason KArli couldn't ride in Australia - plenty eventers and good colleges there http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif