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Lord Helpus
May. 3, 2004, 05:33 PM
OK, lets start this off 49 years ago (so I lied about the 50 year thing. So sue me.)

Jr. Essex Troop, NJ.

Small Pony Hunters

Note: Long Shank pelham, big round fat braids (held in with rubber bands), huge loop in tail braid, number in collar of coat, thin white elastic "chin strap" sewn in by mother who loved me and thought it would make a difference, black coat and big old clunky off the rack boots.

But, notice the size of the jump! Pretty impressive for a 6 year old, eh?

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[This message was edited by Lord Helpus on May. 09, 2004 at 06:42 PM.]

Baileybff
May. 3, 2004, 05:37 PM
What an absolutely wonderful pic LH!!!! I loooove it. Unfortunatly, I won't be able to contribute util the 80's roll around http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif. How cool is that pic...and you are just TOO CUTE (as is your pony)! Am I seeing things or is does he have caulks in his shoes?? Did they have those back then *blushes*?
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Pigglet
May. 3, 2004, 05:38 PM
You were 6?!? I wish I rode like that when I was 6...

Great picture. Hurry up and post the rest!

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Hunter88
May. 3, 2004, 05:40 PM
holy cow! I wish I rode like that at 6!

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Lord Helpus
May. 3, 2004, 05:40 PM
Fast forward 9 years:

Montpelier VT 1964

More braids in the mane, better tail job, stubben saddle with real sheepshin saddle pad.

Boots have patent leather tops and breeches have the flair at the thigh since they have no stretch in them.

But, all in all I am starting to look a little modern. But still (gasp) using an automatic release.

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perf
May. 3, 2004, 05:41 PM
The jump? what?
I'm more impressed to see a 6 year old handling double reins in a jumping class! (it's not an easy task with little hands)

xegeba
May. 3, 2004, 05:42 PM
Well apparently, humour is not your only gift!

Lord Helpus
May. 3, 2004, 05:46 PM
Moving from mid 60's to mid 70's -- this is when things got weird.

Baby blue coats, rust breeches, velvet collars and pocket flaps... We thought we were stylin'!!!

But, the huge Stubben saddle flaps are gone and boots are now custom. So some parts of the modern look are sneaking in there. Also, although you can't see it, braiding has become "modern". (No tail braid since the horse rubbed his to the bone on the 24 hour van ride down to Fla. It was gross...)

But that pesky automatic release is still there... Well, it will go away sooner or later....

This is WPB in 1977 in the A/O's

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Lazy Palomino Hunter
May. 3, 2004, 05:48 PM
What a beautiful gray!!!

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Flashy Gray
May. 3, 2004, 05:50 PM
Pam, the 70s A/O photo proves my theory that baby blue huntcoats are like Christmas fruitcakes: there is only one in existence and it keeps getting passed around. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Aren't you happy that Sea Urchin has your coat now? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

In all seriousness: fabulous pictures. Love both your flashy gray horses! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Lord Helpus
May. 3, 2004, 05:53 PM
Moving into the early 1980's, or "the Valor years" -- I have already posted several of his truly good pictures, so I chose a picture this time which exemplifies WHY I love rust breeches.
This is from Washington International in 1982 or 1983. I had gotten a tad pudgy (yes, I do still have a neck although you cannot see it...) and even though I am popping out of my riding jacket, I think that the rust breeches do quite a good job of making my bulk look, er,... less bulky....

Everything else is pretty similar to today, except for all the fancy stitching which was big in the 80's, as was mentioned in the other thread. If the picture was bigger, one could see that my initials are stitched into the center of the noseband.....

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Lord Helpus
May. 3, 2004, 05:56 PM
And now, sigh, the late 80's.

The dress code has really changed.

'Nuff said.

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xegeba
May. 3, 2004, 06:03 PM
that's what you get for that nasty auto-release.

justsayneigh
May. 3, 2004, 06:08 PM
I love these! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Lord Helpus
May. 3, 2004, 06:13 PM
Having gotten through the 90's, I'm back on track in the new century, and am once again stylin' with peach shirt, gray coat, puke green breeches, black custom field boots and a GPA.

Also, raised bridle, TCPS, and shiney horse.

OK --- I finally have figured out how to stand up in my stirrups, jump ahead of the horse, look straight dhown and lean on my hands!

Damn, it only took 5 decades. And they say I am a slow learner.

Xegeba, I think you are right. It was that damned automatic release that did me in. No more of that stuff for me!

[Edited because the first version sounded incredibly pompous when I reread it. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif]

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xegeba
May. 3, 2004, 06:19 PM
OMG! YOU have a GPA???? I'm ruined. Time for cocktails.....

Sswor
May. 3, 2004, 06:28 PM
I am so disapointed at your abandonment of the auto release! This post was beginning to look like a photo gallery of excellent releases. I think the crest relese is icky.

Go retro! Go auto!

tikihorse
May. 3, 2004, 06:31 PM
I see you have also upgraded to the HS stirrups, too! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Kim

GirlNextDoor
May. 3, 2004, 06:32 PM
your horses are beautiful!! I have to say though, the gray is appsolutely amazing!

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OneonOne
May. 3, 2004, 06:34 PM
Great photos, LH! I am quite impressed with your skills as a 6 year old! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

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bigbay
May. 3, 2004, 06:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xegeba:
OMG! YOU have a GPA???? I'm ruined. Time for cocktails.....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Baileybff
May. 3, 2004, 06:37 PM
That was wonderful LH! Thanks for sharing that with us. Isn't it amazing the change in attire. I actually had one of those baby blue bad boys myself http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif. I have to say that it did look quite smashing on the b-e-a-utiful gray! I too curse that wonderful auto-release. Thanks again for sharing!!!!

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sonomacounty
May. 3, 2004, 06:37 PM
WOW, Lord Helpus, you are a Beeeeautiful rider !!

Thanks for the photos, that was fun. The six-year-old LH is fantastic !!

* lost tb *

o2binca
May. 3, 2004, 06:52 PM
Pam, thanks for sharing the pictures; I really enjoyed them.

Is that Moolah before or after his WTF years?

Lord Helpus
May. 3, 2004, 06:58 PM
Thanks, guys. These themes are fun. I have boxes of pictures --- looking through them for ones that showed off clothes, instead of just the best jumping ones, was fun.

But with hundreds of unscanned pictures still unsorted in boxes, I could do pictoral essays categorized by types of jump, indoors v. outdoors, hair down in pageboy v. tucked up under hat --- the possibilities are endless (and oh so boring...)

The gray horse who people like so much was my first ammie horse after I took 9 years off (from 18 - 27). He is an appendix QH! Unfortunately, he was 16.3 and had those upright pasterns on tiny little QH feet, and so did not stay sound for very long. But he had a nice life as the babysitter for the yearlings when they were being broken and taken out through the woods in Southern Pines. He was a really nice horse.

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GatoGordo
May. 3, 2004, 07:13 PM
One thing I haven't seen comments on is the solid jump in the second picture. OMGiH, you must be a little tetched in the head like us wacko eventers! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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Candle
May. 3, 2004, 08:00 PM
LH, i sent you a PT about 2 weeks ago... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif tried to tell you about it then, but the topic got bumped down... check your pt's?

I'm very impressed with the 6 year old.. the pony is adorable too. and i love that grey.

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perf
May. 3, 2004, 08:01 PM
Lord Helpus: wow, looking at all of those you really were a fashion queen! Your pics all look like the epitome of style (if only for their era! haha).

In comparision, I offer you a glimpse into the life of someone with NO STYLE. That's right- I have absolutely no style at all - in fact, having no style has become my style!

Early '80s (http://community.webshots.com/photo/96317108/96317425rufJGh)
Navy jacket hand-stitched by my mother (we didn’t have a machine). Navy helmet, navy tie, beige jods and brown boots. Notice the way my foot elegantly sits against the saddle flap! Yes, it was a borrowed pony.

Mid '80s (http://community.webshots.com/photo/94604904/94605003DTnTNC)
Brown tweed jacket, brown velvet collar, brown helmet, brown tie, brown boots – with a grey pony! At least we had brown gear to match. Lovely lemon coloured shirt and you’ll absolutely love the huge hideous red fake flower pinned to my lapel. I also look like a boy here – this disturbs me greatly.

Early '90s (http://community.webshots.com/photo/94601336/94602145JdBxTP)
Navy jacket (quite acceptable) – but the black velvet collar, and matching navy blue jods make it just a little scary! Nifty bright red shirt there too. And lets not talk about my helmet cover.

Mid '90s (http://community.webshots.com/photo/94598355/94599386HyFPZI)
They just couldn’t get that helmet cover away from me. But at least the jods got a bit more acceptable (white this time) and the tie is finally a contrasting colour.

Late '90s (http://community.webshots.com/photo/94397518/94401968zBqhaQ)
The helmet cover is gone! And replaced with a bright dayglo yellow one. Notice how I’ve taped the boots in yellow to match? (no – this is NOT eventing… these are all jumper shows). Wearing my number around my arm, because I thought it looked way cooler there. At this stage I also thought it was cool to quartermark/stencil my horse’s name on his bum.

Early '00s (http://community.webshots.com/photo/94405451/136240798zdxqcK)
Finally graduated to long boots (well – gaiters and short boots, but don’t tell!). I’m still attached to white breeches and white shirts… but I’ve finally ditched the tie and plain coloured jacket (cute windowpane now). The helmet really just follows tradition though, doesn’t it? Oh – and hard to tell in the pic, but we’re sporting a beautiful flat chocolate bridle – which apparently is not in fashion anymore – after it took me 15 years of begging to steal it off my mother!

And all of that fashion tragedy just within 2 decades! Ah well, at least it's cheap (I'm still competing in the same jods I had in 1990).

HARROLDhasmyheart
May. 3, 2004, 08:18 PM
These are hilarious! I LOVE the helmet covers, perf!

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MistyBlue
May. 3, 2004, 08:37 PM
Oh thank you, thank you, thank you Lord Helpus! You've finally answered the question I've been asking since getting back into riding a couple years ago after a long hiatus...."Where the h*ll did the auto release go?"
NOW I KNOW! It ran away in shame the minute the funny looking skunky helmets came in!

As for the rest of the HP's out there...are we feeling a tad sheepish that years back 6 year old children had an independent hand/seat/leg, balance and could handle two sets of reins while jumping what the adults do now? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

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Plumcreek
May. 3, 2004, 10:06 PM
Those were fun! Thanks LH for sharing. We are the same age, and I remember the elastic helmet straps. My first pair of breeches (from the Salvation Army Store in - then - horsey Santa Barbara) had huge flares and about 15 little buttons up each side to the waist. Also, thanks to perf for the yellow helmet picture!

WR
May. 3, 2004, 10:14 PM
Lord Helpus...Such a cool topic, love the pics!

Madeline
May. 4, 2004, 06:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GatoGordo:
One thing I haven't seen comments on is the solid jump in the second picture. OMGiH, you must be a little tetched in the head like us wacko eventers! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you want to go back a little further, here is a serious solid fence! Ladies Hunters, Piping Rock, circa 1936. Note the bowler, the jods, and the hound whip and no pad. The hound whip means it's an appointments class.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/105445237/105445567TTyxfV

Automatic release is there, though.

madeline

squeezix
May. 4, 2004, 06:29 AM
LH...thanks for that timeline. Too cool. Loved the Essex Troop photo...gave me flashbacks, although I wasn't making it over fences at 6! I'll have to dig through my 70's and 80's photos.

wtywmn4
May. 4, 2004, 06:33 AM
Ohhhh, thank you LH!! Having just gone thru my mom's things, pictures etc, you have brought back some very fun memories. Wish I had a scanner, or maybe not. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Those literally were the days. And yes, those fences were always solid on the outside courses. You hit it, you crashed and burned. Loved the one with the fat braids. I'll bet you did those yourself? Have one of my first pony, same loveliness....Even down to the long shanked pelham. Must have been the bit du jour..

MAD
May. 4, 2004, 06:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lord Helpus:
OK, lets start this off 49 years ago (so I lied about the 50 year thing. So sue me.)

Jr. Essex Troop, NJ.

Small Pony Hunters

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you! As per my request from the NJ thread? The Apache picture http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

MAD
May. 4, 2004, 06:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Flashy Gray:
Pam, the 70s A/O photo proves my theory that baby blue huntcoats are like Christmas fruitcakes: there is only one in existence and it keeps getting passed around. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Aren't you happy that Sea Urchin has your coat now? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OMG! I was just going to forward him this thread when I saw this post.

LaurieB
May. 4, 2004, 06:56 AM
Great pictures, LH! I especially like the one from WPB in '77, beautiful horse. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

madeline, I remember jumping fences like that one in hunters (in the 60's) and I truly hope I never have to do so again. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Lord Helpus
May. 4, 2004, 06:59 AM
wtywmn, No, I didn't do those braids. My sisters and I were not expected to braid our own ponies until we were 8. Looking at them, I bet one of my older sisters did, though...

The solid fence: May look big --- but it was only about 3'. However, it was at the top of a hill. Two strides, jump, two strides and down a steep hill, over a ditch to a final uphill brush jump. The Montpelier outside course was always one of my least favorites, even though I was a B pony clubber at the time. It was a mini cross country course, that you had to do for style.

And Max was a 4 year old in his first year of showing. We bought him as a 3 year old stud colt the summer before and I was just starting him on his show career. Not many shows had a 3' division -- When the Prize List called for First Year Green at 3'6" it meant just that -- a horse in its first year of showing. If you didn't jump 3'6", you stayed home until you did. Often getting mileage in the hunt field.

As for handling two sets of reins as a 6 year old -- I just think of it as early training for learning how to use draw reins. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif No really. That pony had a mouth like iron and pulled like a freight train. He gave me hard hands which I have spent years learning to overcome. But it has made me very aware of putting soft mouths on the babies I start so that none of them will ever lean on the bit and pull like Apache did.

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nycjumper
May. 4, 2004, 07:19 AM
What great photos! LH - is it bad that I aspire to your 6 year old competence level?! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Perf - put down the helmet cover. Back away from it slowly. Easy does it http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Perfect Pony
May. 4, 2004, 07:27 AM
LH thank you so much for the pictures, that was fun. I LOVED the styles in the 70s-80s actually, maybe I am the only one? For someone like myself (well endowed in the bottom half) rust breeches were the BEST!

BTW, you have had some wonderful horses!

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PonyPlay
May. 4, 2004, 07:30 AM
Perf tell me if I'm wrong, but I do belive that in your last and most recent picture the blue helmet you are riding in is not a cover? Is it one of those funky CO's?

Me:"...but you said stop after the last fence"
Trainer:" NO, I said TROT after the last fence"

Ride'emCO
May. 4, 2004, 07:44 AM
All of these are fantastic! Thanks LH!

madeline, wow! I guess times really have changed quite a bit... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

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Bumpkin
May. 4, 2004, 07:44 AM
Absooooolutely wonderful Pam http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Keep coming with the cool photos!!!

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diKecnadnuS
May. 4, 2004, 07:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Everything else is pretty similar to today, except for all the fancy stitching which was big in the 80's, as was mentioned in the other thread. If the picture was bigger, one could see that my initials are stitched into the center of the noseband.....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you telling me they used to monogram bridles?!?! I want one!!!!! Were they done with the riders initials? Or the horses??? Does anyone have up close pictures of such "fancy stitching"???

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Merry
May. 4, 2004, 08:34 AM
Oh my God! I just got around to reading this thread and looking at the Twilight Zone photo gallery. All I can say is... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

It is indeed a parallel universe, as I think I have, at one time, owned all the exact same outfits and tack.

And yes, I also have the Herm Sprenger stirrups and the GPA. What's next? We hire some 12-year-old to glue colored crystals on our helmets?

Lord Helpus
May. 4, 2004, 09:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by diKecnadnuS:
_Are you telling me they used to monogram bridles?!?! I want one!!!!! Were they done with the riders initials? Or the horses???_ Does anyone have up close pictures of such "fancy stitching"???<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh you babes in the woods who only thought you knew of all the places one could put a monogram... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I think they fell out of favor when thin nosebands became the absolute in thing. A monogrammed noseband had to be thicker because of the room needed for stitching in the letters.

Back then, I was Pam Hall, so these were my initials. I did not make them up willy nilly. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Snickers (which is how I think of you... since I have no idea what your name means in reverse) here is your picture. Poor old bridle was in need of a saddle soaping, so it said "Thank you for asking".

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[This message was edited by Lord Helpus on May. 04, 2004 at 12:25 PM.]

reefy!
May. 4, 2004, 09:58 AM
That is so pretty!! I would have had one of those for sure http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

See? 'Snickers' aka diKecnaDnuS - now I know what the screen name is - stumped me since I first saw it http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Those pictures were great!! I wish I could ride now (as a 30 something) as well as you did at 6!

mbdobbs
May. 4, 2004, 10:28 AM
What a fantastic thread! I got carried away reading through all this. LH, you had the life I wanted. Can we trade for a week? I just got back into riding a year and a half ago after 20 years off ... but you rode at 6 about the highest I'll ever get! Okay, can someone help me with some of these abbreviations? I understand a GPA is a Grand Prix .... ??? There was something else in there I didn't get but can't remember it now. I'll ask later. I'm off to the barn now to see my baby!

Melissa

xegeba
May. 4, 2004, 11:18 AM
Lord Helpus, did your parents ride? Not too many 6 yr.olds doing that kind of stuff without horsey parents. And how tall are you? The second picture you posted, it look like you've got some long legs. Got anymore for us?

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May. 4, 2004, 12:32 PM
My first show when I was just a teen, I wore rust breeches, off white shirt and a hairous tweed jacket and boy did I think I was trendy, mind you that was in the 70's. No pictures, I wish I did. Now I show in the greenish beige Pytchleys, Navy Jacket and blue/white striped shirt.

Funny huh..... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Calico
May. 4, 2004, 12:53 PM
These are wonderful! LordHelpus, is that an olympic medal?!

Madison
May. 4, 2004, 01:29 PM
I love all the old pictures - so much flair shows up over outside courses and substantial jumps like that! I love the grey horse, Moolah, too - so nice.

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Horsaholic
May. 4, 2004, 01:39 PM
LH/Pam, you look wonderful! What a gorgeous rider you are! Those photos are beautiful and you should be so proud! That picture is amazing of you as a child http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif 6yrs old! Wow!
Thanks for sharing these, I hope you post some more!!

BeastieSlave
May. 4, 2004, 01:42 PM
Oh thank you for this thread!!! I'm just seeing it too.

So many of those pictures from the 70's on look like some I have. (of course my jumps and beasties weren't generally that nice, and I never had a mongrammed noseband) I'd like a monogrammed noseband now though. I think enough of the other stuff is coming back (including bigger cavesons) that I could get away with it.

As for that blue coat... there must be more than one out there because I wore mine until it fell apart. BTW, where's a picture of a madras coat? I know I wasn't so much on the cutting edge of fashion that I was the only one with a plaid coat?! I am glad to see that I wasn't the only one with short boxy off the shelf boots in the 70's http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

KLS
May. 4, 2004, 02:24 PM
LordHelpus,
can i ask a *teeny* favor? i know you've posted lots of Valor pics before, but i can't seem to find my absolute fave on here anymore. if you wouldn't mind re-posting the b&w of Madison Square Garden, that'd be awesome... such a classic image; hope ya don't mind if i use it for my desktop! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thanks in advance

Zig
May. 4, 2004, 02:32 PM
I love the photo of you on Max... what a nice straight back... lovely photo and beautiful horse...

"You wish you could ride like a girl"

LaurieB
May. 4, 2004, 02:35 PM
suzss, no you weren't the only one with a madras coat. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

And before the rest of you youngsters start laughing, remember, this picture was taken in 1968. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Nickelodian
May. 4, 2004, 02:35 PM
Although the initials on the nose band is a little much for me, I very much want my next girth to have fancy stitching with the initials!

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HuntJumpSC
May. 4, 2004, 03:11 PM
What great pics, LH! Thanks for sharing them! The one at 6 years old just astounds me... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

"Y'all can fing and nump all you want, so there's no need to get all huffy at the mom for ruining your fun." ~ Erin
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Merry
May. 4, 2004, 03:50 PM
I feel deprived. I never had any tack-- noseband or otherwise-- with my initials stitched into the leather. However, it does sound like a trend that needs to be resurrected!

Count me in the group that once wore a powder blue huntcoat and the madras plaid.

The photos are all lovely! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

perf
May. 4, 2004, 04:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PonyPlay:
Perf tell me if I'm wrong, but I do belive that in your last and most recent picture the blue helmet you are riding in is not a cover? Is it one of those funky CO's?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You are correct
I'm not sure if it's a step up from the helmet covers.. or just a step sideways http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

MAD
May. 4, 2004, 04:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Merry:
I feel deprived. I never had any tack-- noseband or otherwise-- with my initials stitched into the leather. However, it does sound like a trend that needs to be resurrected!

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I had a stamp with initials (my Mother's) that you heated up and branded the leather. That was how we embroidered or monogrammed our tack.

Lord Helpus
May. 4, 2004, 04:20 PM
Merry, You gotta watch where you put those "---"'s

I thought you were committing perjury by saying:

"I feel deprived. I never had any tack noseband..."

When we ALL KNOW that your torture tack trunk is RIFE, I say RIFE! with tack nosebands, rowel spurs, whips with stickers on the end and cut glass shin boots. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

(Please, innocent and gullible folks, in case you cannot tell, I am joshin' Merry. .... Yeah... right... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif )

To those other posters who have said such nice thangs..... Gee, golly shucks. Youse gonna git my haid all swolled up.

I have 40+ pictures that I really like... And that is an edited list. So I think that, on a rainy day, I may make a Webshots album and call it good. In the meantime, I will cede the floor to Merry, Chanda, and all the others who have years of showing and drawers full of pictures sitting there, ready to make you all say WOW.

I will post two more that are special to me WHEN I can make my stand alone computer figure out how to log in to COTH from that computer. Can anyone help me? Erin is out of suggestions -- My problem is that I am logged out, and when I try to log in, I cannot get to the log in page. I am recycled back to the page I am already on. I have tried to re-register, but it tells me that I am already registered.

I have made sure that cookies are allowed and I don't know what else to do. If I cannot log in, I cannot post on that computer and that is where the rest of my pictures are.

I will also repost the Madison Square Garden picture because it tickles me to think that I might be someone else's wallpaper. I am not even my own wallpaper, so have at it.

Please feel free to PT me if you have any suggestions. I need a techno-nerd. Anyone out there qualify?

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xegeba
May. 4, 2004, 04:23 PM
Bea is the offical techno-nerd of the board!

MAD
May. 4, 2004, 04:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I have made sure that cookies are allowed and I don't know what else to do. If I cannot log in, I cannot post on that computer and that is where the rest of my pictures are.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm certainly no techo-nerd, but can't you copy the pictures to disk (floppy) and put them on another computer?

or email them to yourself and download them on another computer?

Bea
May. 4, 2004, 04:51 PM
Hello, I bumped into xegeba who it turns out told a complete lie. I'm afraid I'm not a techno-nerd. Then again I'm always willing to talk about things I really know nothing about so here goes.

Sounds like MAD might have solved the problem with his/her good idea.

You can't re-register for COTH using the same e-mail you used for the initial profile. Do you have a second e-mail address you could use for the second registration?

I would think you can't log in on two computers at the same time using the same profile. Are you logged out on the first computer before you try to use the second?

I'm only on photo at age six so far. And loving it! What a great idea!

KLS
May. 4, 2004, 04:54 PM
LH/Pam,
thanks!, and your phrasing has me LOL, sounds like something i would say http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I will also repost the Madison Square Garden picture because it tickles me to think that I might be someone else's wallpaper. I am not even my own wallpaper, so have at it . <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> not that i'm redeorating or anything, though come to think of it, there are quite a few classic pics that, enlarged, might do wonders in my guest room. wonder if hubby would mind? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

relocatedTXjumpr
May. 4, 2004, 05:00 PM
Im pretty certain a few years ago Dover offered a "Hunter" bridle that you could have your initials put in stitching on the noseband. Looked a lot smaller than the one LH showed though. I wanted one so bad.
WAsnt too long ago...10 years maybe?

Great pictures guys!

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MAD
May. 4, 2004, 05:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bea:
Sounds like MAD might have solved the problem with his/her good idea.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

MAD is a her.

And also suggested going to this site:
http://www.java.com/en/download/windows_automatic.jsp

Lord Helpus
May. 4, 2004, 05:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MAD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bea:
Sounds like MAD might have solved the problem with his/her good idea.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

MAD is a her.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So you say. And how do you know? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

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Yes, MAD does have a good idea which I have been using for other pictures. But I live in the country. With a dial up. A slow dial up. It can take minutes to upload a picture from one computer , more minutes to download it on the other, and another several minutes to upload it to COTH. To say nothing of signing on and off AOL on first one and then the other computer. All in all, it is a real PITA that takes all evening.

So, while I figure out this conundrum, lets play:

"Guess who this is?"

I will give you a hint.

1. The rider is older than dirt.

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[This message was edited by Lord Helpus on May. 04, 2004 at 09:12 PM.]

Merry
May. 4, 2004, 05:58 PM
The only decent photos I have are all boring equitation stuff. Or win shots where I look like a deer staring into headlights. So you just go ahead and post away with your photos, Lord Helpus.

And just for the record, Missy, those are PLASTIC chips in my horse's shin boots, not GLASS chips. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

xegeba
May. 4, 2004, 06:33 PM
Wait a second Merry.... I do not think equitation is boring. Please Post pictures!

heelsdown
May. 4, 2004, 07:15 PM
LH - Two things. Try clearing your cache. WIth IE go to your tool bar on top and click on tools. Then go to internet options. From this you'll see general, click there. Then temp files, delete them. Don't delete the cookies, just the temps in this file.

ALSO I'd suggest going into your user profile in COTH DO THIS FIRST. There is a place to check or un check "remember this user profile" uncheck it. This should make it easier to log on from another computer.

My 2 cents for what its worth, bring on the Garden pics!

OneonOne
May. 4, 2004, 07:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mbdobbs:
Okay, can someone help me with some of these abbreviations? I understand a GPA is a Grand Prix .... ??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>mbdobbs, a GPA is a brand of approved helmet - one of the helmets with the vent "stripe" on the front, also known as a "skunk helmet." As of yet, I don't think anyone knows what the initials stand for. I've seen several threads about it, but no answers!

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SCAllstarzHntrRyder
May. 4, 2004, 08:14 PM
i wish i could scan my moms pics back in the 60's.... flat nose bands... no saddle pads....she said George never said that one really needed to be used unless the saddle hit he withers....times have changed... hoever i dont have a GPA or the HS stirrups....i like the classic hunter look

~Mirage~
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Merry
May. 4, 2004, 10:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xegeba:
Wait a second Merry.... I do not think equitation is boring. Please Post pictures!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Uhm, that would first require a scanner... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

NickleBlm
May. 5, 2004, 07:04 AM
Pam, It's Nicole Bloom. I STILL have those nosebands with the Names/initials stiched in them. I prize them greatly, it's hard to get TRUE Jimmy's custom tack anymore.

Great to see all the pics!

Dakotawyatt
May. 5, 2004, 07:28 AM
Awesome thread! LH, that pic of you on the gray looks like a photo out of GM's Hunter Seat Equitation. Lovely! And George is so gorgeous. If you ever make it to the GA Int'l Horse Park, let me know. I want to pet your horsie.

~Jenny~
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Linny
May. 5, 2004, 07:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Merry:
I feel deprived. I never had any tack-- noseband or otherwise-- with my initials stitched into the leather. However, it does sound like a trend that needs to be resurrected!

Count me in the group that once wore a powder blue huntcoat and the madras plaid.

The photos are all lovely! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Merry said "tack-noseband!!!!!!!!!" http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif
(LH, your pics are awesome)

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Founder of the Mighty Thoroughbred Clique

mbdobbs
May. 5, 2004, 12:25 PM
Thank you! Okay, even I know that helmet. Perhaps it means "Grand Prix Approved?" How much do they usually go for new?


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OneonOne:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mbdobbs:
Okay, can someone help me with some of these abbreviations? I understand a GPA is a Grand Prix .... ??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>mbdobbs, a GPA is a brand of approved helmet - one of the helmets with the vent "stripe" on the front, also known as a "skunk helmet." As of yet, I don't think anyone knows what the initials stand for. I've seen several threads about it, but no answers!

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_Any coupon works! Beware of paper cuts!_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

FrittSkritt
May. 5, 2004, 02:49 PM
Be prepared to shell out at least 300 big ones for a GPA... they're not cheap. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif If you want the look of a GPA, try on the GPA knockoff (International IRH)... if your noggin fits, it's a heck of a lot cheaper to get the "skunk" look that way. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

-KC

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Coreene
May. 5, 2004, 04:24 PM
Ahem ... and where are the initials on the cervical collar? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

I am in loff with those grays and the pony. I was already in loff with Valor. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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LargeJuniorHunter
May. 6, 2004, 07:40 AM
Bumping this up to request more pictures from our ::gasp:: oldies but goodies.

Founder of: "Non-GPA owners" clique
Member of: "I got left out of the ponies" clique

the eleven
May. 6, 2004, 11:13 AM
This is my grandmother

no idea when, where... I think its sometime during the 40s

http://members.aol.com/stellar354/Winifred1.jpg

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own -Grateful Dead

Seahorsefarmtobe
May. 6, 2004, 11:20 AM
your mom - cool photo!

KrazyTBMare
May. 6, 2004, 11:21 AM
Cant help with the comp thing, but I can say that I am logged in on like 3 different computers at all times b/c it remembers my log in info on my computer, as well as my parents and boyfriends.

I second, or third?, the idea of either emailing the pics to yourself and obtaining them on the already logged in computer or saving them to a CD or DISK and transfering them over. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I am SO looking forward to more pics!

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PonyPlay
May. 6, 2004, 11:24 AM
Out of curiosity why is it that in a lot of older photos I see like Yourmom's, why is the horse always pictured landing from the fence instead of the, the "knees up" photos we see today? When did this change?

Me:"...but you said stop after the last fence"
Trainer:" NO, I said TROT after the last fence"

dunlapl
May. 6, 2004, 12:18 PM
Probably due to better photographic equipment now.

hollyhorse2000
May. 6, 2004, 12:24 PM
I think the six-year-old jumping with the pinto pony and the beautiful automatic release MUST be sent to GM at Practical Horseman. He would love it!

Lord Helpus
May. 6, 2004, 12:50 PM
OK, by *popular* demand (well, all 4 of you http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) here are a couple more pictures. Mostly of Valor, since I have so many of him. I will do them in chronological order, for lack of any other plan.

These two are from my first show with him. Someone who saw these pictures when they were looking through the book of proofs at the photographers stand said, "He'd be a nice horse if he didn't hang his legs so bad."

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"Oh yeah, I'll bet you're fat and can't ride!" --- Erin, Chief Cathearder. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[This message was edited by Lord Helpus on May. 06, 2004 at 05:06 PM.]

Lord Helpus
May. 6, 2004, 01:00 PM
One of my faves. Wish it had been in color. This was the last horse show at the Forum in Los Angeles in 1981. I know that for a fact, since even as I type, I am sitting on the cooler Valor won there -- I use it on my couch to keep the doggies from getting the couch dirty...

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"Oh yeah, I'll bet you're fat and can't ride!" --- Erin, Chief Cathearder. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Lord Helpus
May. 6, 2004, 01:03 PM
Washington

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"Oh yeah, I'll bet you're fat and can't ride!" --- Erin, Chief Cathearder. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

korts
May. 6, 2004, 01:04 PM
I remember that show. If I recall, Hai Karate won the GP. My friend's dad sung the National Anthem that night.

helen elizabeth
May. 6, 2004, 01:06 PM
Poka Dot jump! Yay! LoL! And I love how in the picture of you jumping the grey with the rust breeches, they were almost the *same* color as the jump standards! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Nickelodian
May. 6, 2004, 01:08 PM
hahahaha, spotty jump! Those are some great pics LH!

your mom -- that picture is so fabulous.....

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zedcadjna
May. 6, 2004, 01:23 PM
O love the pics Valor is a knee snapper at that.. Gotta love those knees, and I agree that you should send the pic to GM of you as a 6 yr old, I would love to read his comments as Im sure others would too..

Great horses!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I think we all should get out our old pics and post them I know I have some from the 70's that make me crindge just looking at them!! But Ithey are fun to look at and they are the past...

http://community.webshots.com/user/zedcadjna

Lord Helpus
May. 6, 2004, 02:08 PM
Last one of Valor -- the Madison Square Garden picture

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RumoursFollow
May. 6, 2004, 02:19 PM
LH - It is now obvious to everyone on this board that you are perfect and have been since you were 6 years old. Please stop posting pictures- you are making me feel so darn inadequate!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

LOVELY pictures- some ones of Valor that I've not seen before. Definetly a hunter that needed a bellyguard! I always enjoy reading your posts and seeing your pictures (even if they do make me jealous! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )

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Lord Helpus
May. 6, 2004, 02:24 PM
One last picture, if I may. This is the gray horse from page one, that many of you commented on. His barn name was Moolah and he was a really nice horse. He was Appendix registered and his small feet and short pasterns were not made to support his 16.3 hand body, so he got navicular at age 7. However, he had a lovely life at my mother's farm for many years, baby sitting the yearling TB's racehorses-to-be.

About 10 years after the Florida picture was taken I was living in California practicing law when I came back to visit my mother at her farm. I went out to ride Moolah, and I saw that he had gotten worse that I had realized. So, that visit I mainly groomed him and gave him treats. But my last day there, in the late afternoon, I decided that I did not want to leave without having a ride on my old friend. So I got a piece of baling twine, tied it around his neck and climbed on. We wandered around the farm and had a lovely quiet time together in the late afternoon winter sun. Before I got off, I asked the farm manager to take this picture.

This was the last time I saw Moolah-man and I am very glad I had a chance to say good bye.

PS: All of you safety do-gooders, please do not bother to post about my outfit. It gets old, and sometimes a girl and her old friend just need to take a toodle around the farm together.

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Lord Helpus
May. 6, 2004, 02:41 PM
RF, and all others who are now officially nauseous (if not already actually vomiting) -- I promise that I am finished, done, finito posting pictures. Unless, of course, there is a really good picture of George from the KHP shows this month. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Please, others -- go to it. Nicole! I just looked back and saw your post. Welcome to COTH. PT or email me. I want to catch up. How's your mom?

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Sing Mia Song
May. 6, 2004, 02:59 PM
God, Pam, I LOFF (and I never use that word) these pix! That one of Valor from the Garden is my fave, although I remember you posting one before where you weren't in formal attire?

My horse partner and I (that would be HorseyNurse) finally have a really spectacular hunter, but you know what? I prefer the doddering Stanley, who just came off the track, looks like hell, and who can hardly be bothered to walk to the cross ties!

Both horses make their debuts next month in the baby basic pleasure classes, but we should have some good shots of Strapless--um, Stella by year's end!

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Linny
May. 6, 2004, 04:44 PM
Pam, I'm still willing to take Warren off your hands. As long as his "mystery lamenesses" match up with my "mystery ailments" we'll live happily ever after.
All of your pics are awesome even if they make me feel inadequate.

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Founder of the Mighty Thoroughbred Clique

GirlNextDoor
May. 6, 2004, 04:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lord Helpus:
Last one of Valor -- the Madison Square Garden picture

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that is totally the coolest picture i have ever seen.

can you post more? (haha i am a picture junky) Please make a webshots!!

"You've been hoodwinked. You've been had.
You've been took. You've been led astray, led amok.
You've been Bamboozled."

-- Malcolm X

Judi
May. 6, 2004, 05:25 PM
Wow Pam. I think after I had a picture like the one of Valor at Madison Square Garden I'd just up and retire...cuz it doens't get better than that.... WOWSIEEEE!!!!!

You should be sooooo proud of your riding and your wonderful horses. Such great accomplishemnts.. such great horses.

What a wonderful thread.. thanks for sharing.

I'm so inspired I'm going to go out and ride...

: )

http://community.webshots.com/user/stewartjudi

kansasgal
May. 6, 2004, 08:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horsaholic:
LH/Pam, you look wonderful! What a gorgeous rider you are! Those photos are beautiful and you should be so proud! That picture is amazing of you as a child http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif 6yrs old! Wow!
Thanks for sharing these, I hope you post some more!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, LordHelpus I can't seem to get enought of this stuff! It's great! Thanks!

kriskohnke

kansasgal
May. 6, 2004, 08:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LaurieB:
suzss, no you weren't the only one with a madras coat. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

And before the rest of you youngsters start laughing, remember, this picture was taken in 1968. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Absolutely fabulous!
Thanks for sharing.

kriskohnke

kansasgal
May. 6, 2004, 08:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Merry:
I feel deprived. I never had any tack-- noseband or otherwise-- with my initials stitched into the leather. However, it does sound like a trend that needs to be resurrected!

Count me in the group that once wore a powder blue huntcoat and the madras plaid.

Wow seems like a lot of you all are nostalgic for that baby blue hunt coat. Darn, I found one on E-bay in my size a couple of weeks ago, the seller was located in Great Britain. It had the hunting horse buttons and gorgeous velvet collar. I was considering buying it to keep as sort of a closet museum piece! I wish I had bid on it now...


The photos are all lovely! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

kriskohnke

kansasgal
May. 6, 2004, 09:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lord Helpus:
One last picture, if I may. This is the gray horse from page one, that many of you commented on. His barn name was Moolah and he was a really nice horse. He was Appendix registered and his small feet and short pasterns were not made to support his 16.3 hand body, so he got navicular at age 7. However, he had a lovely life at my mother's farm for many years, baby sitting the yearling TB's racehorses-to-be.

About 10 years after the Florida picture was taken I was living in California practicing law when I came back to visit my mother at her farm. I went out to ride Moolah, and I saw that he had gotten worse that I had realized. So, that visit I mainly groomed him and gave him treats. But my last day there, in the late afternoon, I decided that I did not want to leave without having a ride on my old friend. So I got a piece of baling twine, tied it around his neck and climbed on. We wandered around the farm and had a lovely quiet time together in the late afternoon winter sun. Before I got off, I asked the farm manager to take this picture.

This was the last time I saw Moolah-man and I am very glad I had a chance to say good bye.

PS: All of you safety do-gooders, please do not bother to post about my outfit. It gets old, and sometimes a girl and her old friend just need to take a toodle around the farm together.

Wonderful! Thanks for sharing.



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kriskohnke

Ata
May. 6, 2004, 09:47 PM
Ok, I feel stupid about this, but what is a GPA?

RegalBeagle
May. 7, 2004, 03:48 AM
LH - thank you for posting the fabulous pictures. An absolute study in hunter fashion through the last few decades.

I so love the picture from Madison Square Gardens of you and Valour. Breathtaking.

I have a couple to add from the days when 3'6" was the only choice. The year 1980 and yes they are grey breeches:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/hcurtin/Hannibal_80_dwyer_2.jpg

Oh yes, remember rolltop coops when they were full size, from 1976:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/hcurtin/Jessica.jpg

mbdobbs
May. 7, 2004, 05:11 AM
To demonstrate my lack of knowledge about "dress codes," I'm struck by the Garden picture showing a hunter wearing a shadbelly and top hat, reminiscent of dressage. When was this the norm? I know Grand Prix jumpers wear this sometimes. Would love an explanation, thanks!

horseygurl182
May. 7, 2004, 05:32 AM
mbdobbs, for hunter classics (now a days) jrs and adults where shadbelly's. Adults can also wear top hats if they so desire, but jrs cannot as it's "not approved" head gear.

*Worthwhile*
*Believe In Me*
*Bolero*
*Look No Further*

Duffy
May. 7, 2004, 05:40 AM
Drooling, as usual, during the viewing, Pam. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

"B***h in training"

mbdobbs
May. 7, 2004, 05:46 AM
Thanks HorseyGurl. I do remember going to watch the amateur hunters at the Washington International in the fall. I do remember one woman wearing this, but not all, so I assume it's optional? What IS the accepted / unaccepted / norm for the ring. I'll have to get with it if I ever get my nerve up to show again. Thanks!!

Melissa


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HorseyGurl182:
mbdobbs, for hunter classics (now a days) jrs and adults where shadbelly's. Adults can also wear top hats if they so desire, but jrs cannot as it's "not approved" head gear.

*Worthwhile*
*Believe In Me*
*Bolero*
*Look No Further*<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lord Helpus
May. 7, 2004, 06:15 AM
Reaglebeagle,

You look familiar. Whre is that horse show in the indoor picture? I sure miss mudknots. They really showed off a horse's hind end. And, for a horse with a less than stellar tail, I think that they looked better than a fake tail.

Yesterday at KHP, I saw many absolutely gorgeous, jaw dropping, 12 moving, knee snapping, back cracking, to die for horses with tails that were obviously bought at the custom tail store. They were just too think and swung funny and the bottoms were unnatural. In a fake tail, less is more. But too many people think that more is more.

But, I digress. I miss the old mud knots. Pure and simple. And I also like your horse and your eq. A lovely picture.

mbdobbs: I cannot recall ever seeing a shadbelly in grand prix jumping! And certainly not a top hat in the grand prix ring. I believe you are mistaken -- even if you are thinking back through the decades. The image of a jumper rider going around in a shadbelly and top hat just plain makes me smile.

Shadbellies are indigenous to the hunt field, which is why they appear in the hunter ring. In the old days it was appropriate to show in a hunt coat and derby for regular classes and a shadbelly and top hat in appointments or corinthian classes (or later, in what they called "formal attire" classes). In the Madison Square Garden picture, I am riding in a formal attire class. I can tell because, not only am I wearing a shadbelly and top hat, but I have all the "extras" like the boot straps (that had to be worn through the second and third buttons on the breeches legs -- a real trick in the days of velcro. I sat in my NYC hotel room and cut all those little buttons off my show shirts that were half way down the openings in the sleeves and sewed them onto each leg of my canary breeches below the knee seam so I would have buttons to put the boot strap between.)

The difference between a formal attire class and a corinthian class is that in the former the rider had to dress in the old, traditional way, but the horse was not required to wear flat tack and sewn in bridle, no saddle pad or stirrup pad, etc.
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mbdobbs
May. 7, 2004, 06:36 AM
Thanks LH for that great story! I can picture you having to stay up late to jimmy together buttons on breeches in the days of velcro! At least they stayed on, right? And thanks also for putting up with what probably seem like silly questions. I've been out of the horse world for 20 years and am just finding my way back. My final question is, is the shadbelly and top hat optional for most hunter classes? I still think of the hunter ring as one where you can't go wrong wearing a dark colored navy wool jacket, light ratcatcher, beige or white breeches and field boots, as long as everything's spic and span.

So glad a friend told me about these forums.

Melissa

Bascule Baby
May. 7, 2004, 06:50 AM
LH - Love the picture of you and Valor at the Garden!
What is George's show name and what division is he in? I'll look for him at KHP next week when I'm there.

BB

lauriep
May. 7, 2004, 06:56 AM
Let me chime in on formal attire vs appointments vs corinthian. Formal attire meant only the rider had to be thus dressed. Appointments classes meant that the rider and horse both had to adhere to a lengthy list of specific details in tack and attire: sewn in, flat bridle, sandwich case, flat, folded, non-elastic girth, no saddle pad, no pads in stirrups, carry a whip, string gloves under flap of saddle, and on and on. Corinthian classes were the same with the added caveat that the rider must be a member of a recognized hunt. Those classes were a pain for the riders, but I LOVED getting ready for them. It really allowed the anal types like me to let their attention to detail shine!

Pam, was that picture of Val at the Garden the year I had him, or after you went to Champ and Linda?

Laurie

spina
May. 7, 2004, 07:02 AM
What a gorgeous collection of horses, Lordhelpus. I think I need to have you find my horses for me from now on.
When I saw the bit on the little pinto pony, I just KNEW what he rode like, I know many people that were trained by a naughty pinto pony with an iron mouth that could jump the moon if you could learn to ride well enough to get him there.

Horsaholic
May. 7, 2004, 07:28 AM
Pam that last photo of you and Valor is absolutely amazing! It is an image of true inspiration to many of us.. I think I will wait for this thread to be far off the front page before I decide to post a photo of myself! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
You are a beautiful rider!
Just awesome Pam! You have to be so proud.. You know, I think you should think about having a book published of your show life with these wonderful horses! Maybe Merry could do the writing? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Lord Helpus
May. 7, 2004, 03:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horsaholic:
Pam that last photo of you and Valor is absolutely amazing! It is an image of true inspiration to many of us.. I think I will wait for this thread to be far off the front page before I decide to post a photo of myself! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
You are a beautiful rider!
Just awesome Pam! You have to be so proud.. You know, I think you should think about having a book published of your show life with these wonderful horses! Maybe Merry could do the writing? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whoa! horsaholic. I am just an average rider on the circuit I ride on. Keep in mind, I only showed you the good pictures. For some reason http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I chose not to post pictures of the chips, the bad jumps and the bad horses (possibly because I would not spend $$ to buy those pictures in the first place).

I have had some nice horses. But I have also had some real average ones. You will never see pictures of Alice-You-Pig or Ratso or Louie on this BB (Thank God. You would be screaming "My eyes, my eyes" like whazzername on Friends).

Believe me, if a book is worthy of being written, therre are hundreds, if not thousands, of people more worthy of starring in it than me.

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Zig
May. 7, 2004, 05:14 PM
Madeline (or anyone else) do you have any other photos from the 30's (or earlier) through the 50's? I just love those photos... classic beauty.

"You wish you could ride like a girl"

Calla
May. 7, 2004, 07:24 PM
Ahhh! I was so born in the wrong generation. No fair! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif

Thanks LH and everyone else who posted pics!

Peace Out!
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Calla http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ExRacer
May. 7, 2004, 08:53 PM
this is such a neat topic! keep the pictures coming! I can't wait to look back on the pictures we take today... I wonder what we'll be thinking of today's trends?

~Shanon... caregiver to "the Perdster" http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
member of the College, Disgruntled College Student, The Mighty TB, OTTB, and Michigan cliques... founder of the "I'm broke and still ride" clique!

nightsong
May. 7, 2004, 09:15 PM
I love the (not OLD, to me, they're just REGULAR!!!!!) pictures. too bad the pictureof ME at age 5 (1957) is on a REALLLLLY ugly black pony in western-type tack with the saddle WAYYYYY up on his withers, and I'm proud in VERRRRRRY flared jodhpurs and a horse-head-print shirt that my mother PROUDLY got at a swap meet. We didn't KNOW the western tack and English attire didn't match until YEARS later...

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RegalBeagle
May. 8, 2004, 05:54 AM
LH - the indoor picture was from Dwyer Hill. My showing venues have all been in Canada.

Hannibal had a fairly thin, fine tail and if it was the least bit muddy, up it went in a mudknot. A fashion that just isn't practiced much these days. I rather like the look of a tail done up on a horse with a nice round butt.

silver
May. 8, 2004, 09:12 AM
LHU-
if you have pop up windows disabled or blocked on your computer it might eb why you cannot log in or post to COTH.

Kirsten
May. 8, 2004, 02:31 PM
Absolutely breathtaking, Pam. That picture of Valor at the Garden gives me goosebumps. Here is my contribution to hunter dress of olde, even though 12 years really isn't that long ago I suppose. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sally, 1992 (http://www.bendingmoment.com/pic1.jpg)

Note the flat PDN Sovereign, the crochet wither pad in barn colours, hunter green jacket, and helmet with the clear plastic strap. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

appyhunter
May. 8, 2004, 04:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LaurieB:
suzss, no you weren't the only one with a madras coat. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

And before the rest of you youngsters start laughing, remember, this picture was taken in 1968. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't dare laugh. Somewhere in storage, I have that picture from that same year..... Except my madras coat was blue based. Light blue, darker stripes in blues greys greens. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Think it had the occasional red pinstripe as well. Beige britches with a flare that would have done Hollywood proud. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

o2binca
May. 8, 2004, 07:13 PM
Pam - what an amazing shot of valor. It was so nice of you to share it and your other pictures.

And even though mine doesn't compare, I'll keep the pictues going by attaching one of California fashions in 1974. Red coat with gold buttons (including two on the back) and black velvet collar, matching red yarn in the braids, rolled bridle, large round number with wire that looped over the collar and some sort of transitional crest/automatic release.

Any other pictures to share?

Lord Helpus
May. 8, 2004, 08:24 PM
TH, That was two years before I met you! YOu were just a puppy back then, but one heckuva good riding puppy. And, according to the style of the day, you were the height of fashion! I never had a rolled bridle and was always jealous of people who did. And a red coat with a black velvet collar.... Well... I am speechless......

That was Ruby Tuesday, right? (I am not psychic, I saw that the title of the picture was "rubysmall"... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

Do you have any pictures of Taco? I wanna see pictures of Taco!

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playing cards
May. 8, 2004, 09:01 PM
The picture of Valor at the Garden is now my wallpaper http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

I love his expression in that photo. He looks so noble.

OLD A/O
May. 8, 2004, 09:26 PM
Lordhelpus-

This thread has been great. Your pictures are beautiful and the styles bring back a lot of memories and chuckles.I wish I had a scanner to post some pictures.

I remember my mother not allowing my sisters and me to wear jeans to ride in until the early sixties. It was always boots and breeches - in the winter it was thick corduroy ones with the craziest button up fly front. I do also remember my first pair of custom boots and of course I wanted them with the patent leather tops. I thought I was the cat's a$$ in them.

I also remember when the breeches went from flared to semi-flared and then to non-flared. I for some reason felt like I would be wearing tights if I went to the non-flared breeches. My trainer told or scolded me and my mother to forget eating lunch and get some non-flared breeches. We were at Fairfield that weekend and thus I started wearing what I thought were tights. We laughed about it for years as I thought I was wild wearing the semi-flared.

About 1965 I stepped of the earth and bought a pair of chaps. I was the only english riding girl to own a pair in about a
about a 50 mile radius. I loved them but boy did I take a lot os sh$$ because of them.

The rolled bridle I kept until about two years ago. Stopped using it but kept it out of love for it. I finally said goodbye and gave to someone who shows Arabs.

Sorry to say I never had I red coat. The hunt coat with the hunt collar is still in the closet. No longer hunt and no appointment classes either so maybe I can get buried in it along with my sewn in bridle and sandwhich case.

Anyways- thanks for the walk down memory lane!!!

edited for incorrect spelling- but I am sure I still missed some

Merry
May. 8, 2004, 11:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horsaholic:
I think you should think about having a book published of your show life with these wonderful horses! Maybe Merry could do the writing? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

(Lord Helpus' reply): "Believe me, if a book is worthy of being written, therre are hundreds, if not thousands, of people more worthy of starring in it than me."

But ya' know, we all have our price. I believe, for a certain amount of cash and estate jewelry, I can make room in my schedule oh, around September. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Lord Helpus
May. 9, 2004, 10:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Merry:

(Lord Helpus' reply): "Believe me, if a book is worthy of being written, therre are hundreds, if not thousands, of people more worthy of starring in it than me."

But ya' know, we all have our price. I believe, for a certain amount of cash and estate jewelry, I can make room in my schedule oh, around September. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Depends on how much cash you are willing to offer, and whether or not the estate jewelry has been in your family for more than 3 generations. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

If we can agree on terms, September is good for me, too. I can make time in my busy schedule between the Keeneland Yearling Sales and the International Hunter futurity. Got to plan for the future, yanno.

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CellosPride
May. 9, 2004, 12:25 PM
I daresay, LordHelpus, in one of your pics you looked ... disabled. (A legitimate topic for the BB seeing as there was a neckbrace over a riding shirt in the pic). I think we rode in the same A/O division in 1977 at WPB, but it was not one of my horse, "Piece O' Cake's," better shows as she was reacting to all the fire ants by her stall and the sulpher water.

xegeba
May. 9, 2004, 12:35 PM
Cellos!!!!!

CellosPride
May. 9, 2004, 01:11 PM
Hi Xegeba! My computer is still down, but we got another computer for now. I just got worked like a dog last week and couldn't slip away to get on the Board. (I didn't run away to the dismay of some). I think I must know LordHelpus somehow since we seem to have crossed a lot of paths, but I never got to show at the Forum, only the Cow Palace.

CellosPride
May. 9, 2004, 01:16 PM
Hey Xegeba, we are leaving West Palm Beach and the computer signal from the Merlin drops crossing the State, so if I'm not back on the Board until later I'll be back to see if you are going to the Selection Trials. I wish I lived closer so I could go watch, and have lunch with you!!

Kneigh
May. 9, 2004, 01:54 PM
I may have missed it in an earlier thread, but sorry I just have to ask. What is Valor's breeding? TB? He's such a lovely, classic hunter in your photos!

Lord Helpus
May. 9, 2004, 03:19 PM
Oh, Lordy, Lordy, Lordy! I can post on my stand alone for the first time in months! But I have no idea what I did to change anything...

In celebration, I will post a couple more very old pictures that have been stored on this computer for a long time.

First order of business: Valor is a OTTB. In fact, Chanda's God Mother, Judy Kelly found him at a track in British Columbia, Canada as a two year old, and, somehow, saw the potential in a gangling, huge-headed, not pretty plain bay horse. So she bought him and started him on the road to hunter stardom. One year later, he was sold to the girl who would own him for the next 8 years, until I bought him and owned him for his last 12 years. The amazing thing is that this girl was a good friend of and rode at the same stable as LaurieP from this board. Laurie was at Val's very first horse show where, evidently, he was a looney.

When I went into training with Joe and Conrad, 10 years after that first show, she was working for them as a grand prix groom. She insisted that she had to groom her old friend Valor. So that is how she groomed both the best and the lowliest horses at Sandron.

Now on to the pictures. The first is my grandmother in 1931. She would have been in her early 40's then. She last rode a horse in her mid 80's, and had a lovely time, as I recall.

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Lord Helpus
May. 9, 2004, 03:23 PM
Next, we have my mother with one of the horses bred by my grandfather, who bred TB's to cold blooded, hunt horses to get horses for the show ring. I guess you could say that he was the original breeder of the American version of the Warmblood. He started his breeding program at his farm in upstate NY (Geneseo, NY for those who are from that area) in the 1930's).

This picture was taken right before WW II, so mother would have been about 19 - 20 and the show would have been in New Jersey.

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[This message was edited by Lord Helpus on May. 09, 2004 at 06:45 PM.]

Lord Helpus
May. 9, 2004, 03:29 PM
This was our Christmas card in 1952 when I was three. I am the cute, chubby faced cherub in the front. Now, all together: "AWWWWWWWWW..."

I still have a copy of the card and it says:

Not by reindeer, nor by sleigh
Do Christmas greetings come your way;
We celebrate Lord Jesus' birth
By cinching up our saddle girth
And riding 'round to pay a call.
Sara, Deb, and Pammy Hall.


AWWWWWWWW...... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

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Lord Helpus
May. 9, 2004, 03:39 PM
Gosh its easy to post pictures when they are sitting right on the same computer ...

Next we have THE FAMILY CLASS...

This is at the Spring Valley Horse Show in 1958 (so wrote my father on the back)

Some interesting horses in this picture:

From L-R:

1. The first gray is the last horse which my grandfather bred in upstate NY. Her name was Lucky Dove. My oldest sister Sara is riding her. The following year she would ride her in the open working hunter division at Madison Square Garden over 4' fences, at age 13 (my sister, not the mare), because they did not have jr. hunters at NY back in those days.

Upon her (the mare, not my sister) retirement, she foaled a gray filly named Lucky Y Not who went on to become the dam of the wonderful ponies Lucky Me and Lucky Too. I just patted Lucky Too yesterday as she came out of the ring at KHP after winning a small pony class. Amazing....

2. The second gray is an ex-steeplechaser which mother turned into a lovely hunter.

3. The middle gray horse which my father is on was an Irish import and, as such was one of the early ISH's.

4. The black pony is the one in the christmas card.

5. The black pony I am on was a last minute replacement for Apache who was lame. This one was owned by Clarence Nagro of Hilltop Stables, who many of the oldsters will remember.

PS: We won the class. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

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Riggs
May. 9, 2004, 04:19 PM
I have so enjoyed this thread! Thank you everyone!
LHU - you never took to the brown boots, rust breeches, blue jacket chic-ness of the late 70s, early 80s?
I too remember the elastic strap, the button up breeches (buttons at the legs too), and the coops that were part of every class (I see one in the background of one of the photos).

And I believe that wasnt a polkadot jump, it was simply made to look like aspen or birch: all the jumps 'in those days' were made to look natural to what you would find in the hunt field.

Kirsten, was that photo by any chance taken at Milner Downs in British Columbia?

maxiford812
May. 9, 2004, 05:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Riggs:
the button up breeches (buttons at the legs too<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And those darn buttons were always popping off my breeches at the wrong moments. Thank goodness for safety pins.

Great thread, BTW!

OneonOne
May. 9, 2004, 05:22 PM
LH, these are such wonderful photos! Thank you for sharing them. I hope you don't mind that I saved the MSG photo of Valor as my desktop photo.

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just_me
May. 9, 2004, 05:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lord Helpus:
I sure miss mudknots. They really showed off a horse's hind end.

But, I digress. I miss the old mud knots. Pure and simple. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I haven't shown in years and years, but what would happen if someone put their horse's tail in a mud knot to show? Especially if the weather is lousy?

And I have to say, thank you, thank you, thank you for posting your pictures and your mother's and grandmother's pictures. They are fantastic. What a wonderful life with horses you've had.

I didn't start riding until I was in my early 20s (the early 1970s). I have pictures, but nothing to compare to yours. Please post more if you have them. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Charlotte
May. 9, 2004, 07:10 PM
I know Bill Cooney puts his horse's tails in mud knots when it's muddy out, and they do just fine http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Charlotte

OLD A/O
May. 9, 2004, 07:24 PM
Oh Lordhelpus-

How great it is to see your family photos with the horses. I have really loved looking a them. I LOVED SEEING YOU IN A TIE!!!! I remember wearing a tie and that little perky bow the ratcatcher shirts came with.

Please!!! Keep the pictures coming!!!!

xegeba
May. 9, 2004, 07:29 PM
So.... A little birdy told me that your current horse,George, is on par or nicer than Valor. I know you had a picture of him somewhere, but would love to see some more.

kansasgal
May. 9, 2004, 07:48 PM
Wow! Fantastic! Thanks so much for sharing those priceless photos. Sometimes I feel that I was born about 20 years late as far as the horse world is concerned....
Thanks!

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archieflies
May. 9, 2004, 08:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lord Helpus:
And now, sigh, the late 80's.

The dress code has really changed.

'Nuff said.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gee, I'm glad they moved to embroidering the collars... those 80's collars look like they'd be tough to ride in... sacrifice for the sake of fashion? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

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hillary
May. 9, 2004, 08:45 PM
I love these photos also.

What happended to appointments classes? I remember these from when I wa s jr in the 70s. I'd think Dover or Beval's would be all over sponsoring these....talk about a license to make money....sewn in bridle, flat tack, the sandwich case which is around $600-700 last time I checked.

Also, something I think is funny: we wore dopey looking clothes, but we were in fashion. We were all younger...but even our moms are shown getting on what are likely the average horse of the day, jumping over 3'6" natural, fixed jumps (such as the log in LH's one photo) and thinking nothing of it, and likely the horses were not scared to death either.
I've set a hgher standard for myself - I'm out of 2'6" and into 2'9"! Let the challenge begin! ;-)

Kirsten
May. 10, 2004, 06:51 AM
Riggs -- nope, that was a show in Quebec. Though I'd love to ride in BC. I get the feeling the season would be much longer. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Riggs
May. 10, 2004, 07:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OLD A/O:
Oh Lordhelpus-

How great it is to see your family photos with the horses. I have really loved looking a them. I LOVED SEEING YOU IN A TIE!!!! I remember wearing a tie and that little perky bow the ratcatcher shirts came with.

Please!!! Keep the pictures coming!!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bow? I dont remember a perky bow. Tie, yes (SO Pony Club!), but bow? Do you mean the little tie that helped you keep your stock in place?
See how old I am - the memory is seriously going! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Lord Helpus
May. 10, 2004, 07:27 AM
Riggs,

Yes, there was a perky little bow -- It came with the ratcatchers and was actually worn with them until chokers came into fashion. That is why, in the early ratcatchers (before they became "showshirts") there was a channel in the collar -- for the piece of material that turned into the perky little bow to go through.

I am not sure of the purpose for the piece of material. Unless, after you caught your rat, you needed a leash to lead it around with and that long narrow piece of material was just the ticket.

Of course, I and my friends were much tooooo cool to ever use that perky little bow. My mother had several good businesses going to pay for our show expenses. One was stall signs -- she made hundreds of them, mostly for the horses at Hilltop. The other was chokers. She specialized in pleated paisley chokers, so I was always well turned out in a wide variety of those awesome accessories. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And, Riggs, I was a member of the rust with powder blue and velvet clique. There is a picture attesting to that fact on p1. I had moved on from my brown field boots with the natty matching brown hunt cap and brown coat with velvet collar/pockets by then. I have a picture of that outfit, but I have my pride and have to draw the line somewhere, no matter how low.

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GatoGordo
May. 10, 2004, 07:33 AM
Okay. One....two....three....awwwwwww! I love the pictures, LH, please keep them coming. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Merry
May. 10, 2004, 09:04 AM
Love the photos! The family class photo is just priceless.

The very first pair of breeches I ever wore in a show were the ones with the tiny buttons on the calves of the leg. How... quaint. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

And the jumps used in classes of yore! I think every class I rode in as a junior had at least one of those solid coops in it. Must say, I almost miss galloping down to one of those in a hunter class.

Black Market Radio
May. 10, 2004, 09:40 AM
Wow! What cool pics! Your mom is absolutely lovely in that pic of her when she was young, and of course all of you on the pony is cute too! Ah heck, they are ALL cute pics! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

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Tiramit
May. 10, 2004, 09:51 AM
What a wonderful family tradition with horses! Thank you for sharing your lovely photos, LHU, I've enjoyed them all!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Coreene
May. 10, 2004, 09:57 AM
Okay, who forgot to take the sandwich OUT of the case time and time again?

Mine first breeches also had buttons. I got them in Holland, and I still have them somewhere.

Pam, the family class is just the best photo, I loff it!

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turnthepage
May. 10, 2004, 10:01 AM
I absolutely love your mothers outfit in the picture "mom leading"!! Especially the jacket... though I am a youngun and not too partial to the tie look... I love that jacket, Thanks so much for sharing!
(edited for stupid spelling mistakes and plurals where they weren't supposed to be!)
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Riggs
May. 10, 2004, 11:28 AM
LOL, Lord Help Us, this will give you a laugh. In the 60s, I used that natty little tie thingy to anchor my stock tie! You are right, it was before the world of chokers. I was going to wonder why no one told me the real use, but then again, they all probably thought I was comic relief, or maybe (hopefully?) just very chic and eccentric? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

And you have also answered my question about the 70's brown field boots with the rust and powder blue. (I used to think that all looked so great and now all I can think of is 'lounge singer, anyone? What did they call those baby blue suits the men of the 70s wore, with open necked shirts and lots of medallions? )...

And here I thought you were not a cool chic-ette of the time, when actually you were way ahead of the rest of we bowtie-ing, brown field boot wearing gang!

LaurieB
May. 10, 2004, 12:21 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Coreene:

Okay, who forgot to take the sandwich OUT of the case time and time again?
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LOL, Coreene! I had a friend who used to pack a sandwich in the spring before Upperville (the first appointments class we did each year)and take it out in the fall after the Garden. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And then there was the infamous incident at North Shore when we'd forgotten to bring a sandwich and the closest thing we could find on the showgrounds was a hot dog that was squished in sideways to fit. Needless to say, the judge was not amused. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Coreene
May. 10, 2004, 12:33 PM
Tell ya what, it would be either a damn brave judge or one who was doing a tiebreaker to check in my book. I can only imagine what it would be like to get a whiffy of Eau de Dead on a blazing summer day! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif

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the eleven
May. 10, 2004, 02:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lord Helpus:
I am not sure of the purpose for the piece of material. Unless, after you caught your rat, you needed a leash to lead it around with and that long narrow piece of material was just the ticket.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
you're a comic genius

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BustersMom
May. 10, 2004, 02:38 PM
I still have one of those perky little shirts with the tie. Back in 1958 my father went to DC and brought my mother and me matching ratcatchers. I have in my drawer the one he got for my mother. It is tan with a tiny black boot/whip design. I wore mine in the leadline class in my very first horse show.

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RisinRider
May. 10, 2004, 02:46 PM
i love seeing that time warp. i can't wait til i can dig out my pics and look back and see what everything looked like.

btw that pinto pony in the first pic reminds me of my the pony i rode for 2 years. he would jump like heck and was such a devil.

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RegalBeagle
May. 10, 2004, 05:13 PM
LH - fabulous pictures. Your mother's pic is just lovely. I enjoyed them all thoroughly, thank you.

I remember the pleated paisley chokers, LOL.

Come on, I know more of you have little treasures tucked away, get those scanners going.

wtywmn4
May. 10, 2004, 05:20 PM
LH you have brought back sooooooo many memories. WOW! Your family class pic is wonderful. Did you all ever show in Devon's Family class? Having learned to ride at Clarence Nagros Hilltop Stables, you jiggled some long ago memories. Still have the nice write up Chronicle did for Walter White, who was my very first instructor..

Lord Helpus
May. 10, 2004, 06:06 PM
Thank you all for the very nice words. It felt a little weird posting the old family pictures, (not weird at all posting pictures of moi, just a great big old kick in the ego.http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif) so I appreciate how much you all enjoyed seeing my grandmother and mother and the rest of my family from way back when. If you like the stills, you oughta see the family horse movies that we had put on video tape. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

They used to be on those tiny old rolls of film that ended with the cirles on the wall and the film that broke all the time and my father (the minister) would swear a lot.

wtywmn, I don't know what years you were at Hilltop, but I bet you remember the varnished wooden stall signs with brown painted block letters for the horse's name with the sire/dam and DOB underneath, and across the bottom the owner's name. At one point, they were on just about every stall in both the big barn and the pony palace.

Those were what my mother made to make money for the horse show account. Someone told me that they had been at Hilltop in the 80's and there were still a couple of those signs left hanging.

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Melzy
May. 10, 2004, 06:31 PM
Awesome photos LH. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Thank you so much for sharing them. The family photo is priceless. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif You are very fortunate to have such a background. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Best wishes.

Sing Mia Song
May. 10, 2004, 06:41 PM
Pam, are you somehow related to the Massachusetts Halls? Mary and Norman and Aimee and all the rest? Big racing family, but they did lots of showing as well.

It's a stretch, I know, as Hall is a fairly common last name...

BTW, I had one of those evile, hardmouthed pinto ponies, too. I'll try to dig out a pic of old Spit-Spot.

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wtywmn4
May. 10, 2004, 07:06 PM
LH early 50's was our debut at Hilltop.. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I remember the trail rides, if we were very good in our lessons. And what great used clothes we all were able to afford. Something, that doesn't happen any longer. And of course, the shows at Watchung Stables. I do remember seeing the stall signs, that were to me, lovely. Enjoyed knowing about the horses..

Sing Mia Song
May. 10, 2004, 07:13 PM
Whee, here's my evil pinto pony!

Spit-Spot (http://mysite.verizon.net/vze86tlf/)

Okay, you will notice that I am all over the back of the pony and that my hands are floating above the crest in some bizarre affectation. However, please also note the honkin' stick in my left hand! This pony was quite the stopper in her cranky older years--the kind that leaves the ground in front, then sits down. So, now that she's decided to leave the ground (in quite stylish fashion), I'm playing catch up. Oh, and BTW, that's a double twisted wire in her mouth. We left the rubber pelham at home. This time.

I was 12 in this pic--note the age-appropriate attire of the early 80s!

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Linny
May. 10, 2004, 07:29 PM
Pam and others, I love the pics. It makes me wish I had a "horsey" childhood. My parents provided me with lessons and (second hand) clothes etc but no one in my very very urban lace curtain Irish family had anything to do with horses once the milk was delivered by truck.
I used to see the Chronicle at the barn and wish that I could be in one of those handsome "horsey family" photos.
Needless to say I am still living vicariously through people like you, Pam. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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Lamb
May. 10, 2004, 07:42 PM
OMGiH. I'm cracking up over the hotdog in the sandwich case and description of a ratcatcher.

KrazyTBMare
May. 11, 2004, 11:28 AM
Great photos LH! I just love looking at them.

MORE! MORE! MORE! MORE!

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Riggs
May. 11, 2004, 12:24 PM
Regal Beagle (Tonka here from EMG), I remember pleated MADRAS http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif chokers! Was that the same era?

ccoronios
May. 11, 2004, 01:48 PM
Oh, LORD - just about lost it here at work over the hotdog!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

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Lord Helpus
May. 11, 2004, 02:34 PM
Sing Mia Song,

Your pony is far too fancy to be compared to Apache. He is lovely -- and at least for that moment in time, he takes a helluva picture.

Another way they are different is that, one thing Apache never did was stop. He was a jumping machine. Now, run away with me, that he did regularly. Looking back, it was sort of sad. Apache and his ilk marked the end of an era. Fortunately, as a kid, I did not realize this, I just loved my pony, he was perfect, iron mouth and all.

But the 50's was right about when Mrs. Waller of Tanracken Farms started importing all of those incredibly fancy English ponies, such as Welland Valley Early Bird, and I believe that Coed Coach Llewydrew (close?) was one of hers, too. She had probably the very first pony catch rider, Meta Boykin, come up from Virginia to live with her and ride these fancy ponies.

Anyhoo, these English ponies had never jumped, because they didn't have to jump in the English show ring. But they were the most gorgeous looking and drop dead best moving things that ever set foot on this side of the Atlantic. And they learned to jump pretty darn quick. Once they did, the fat little back yard types like Apache were an anachronism. Nowadays he would make a great pony jumper. It only took 50 years for his type to have a place in the show ring again.

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