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Concordia
Jul. 27, 2010, 04:15 PM
**Ducks from Flames** "Hold your fire!!"


Before anyone throws a flaming road apple at me, let me explain.

All of our horses wear rope halters. We are far from (what do they call them here?) Parellites? But we do use a bit of common sense horsemanship in some of our training. Not that I need to explain, but we don't spend hours shaking sticks at our horses, but I have to admit that it does seem to help a bit with ground manners, so they know the basics. We are a Dressage and Event barn and have horses at the highest levels - we are not 'no clue' back yarders who think the GOAL is a Level Whatever Parelli horse.

THAT SAID; Our supplier of rope halters is "On vacation" and I have a very unruly 2 year old Dutch gelding who is giving the girls walking him out to the pasture the 'what for' (giggles, he's so naughty, I love babies!)

They've requested I get him a rope halter. I have been working with him on manners and he is quickly learning, but I've only had him a week and he's - er..... boisterous. LOL

I REFUSE to support PP and buy overpriced, over marketed equipment from him.

Does anyone know where I can get a good quality rope halter? I need the kind with the soft rope, not the hard, hold it's shape even off the horse kind...and I also need a lead with a heavy clasp.

TIA!

*sigh* Flame away ;):yes: (I may even join you - consider me thoroughly embarrased!) LOL

Auventera Two
Jul. 27, 2010, 04:20 PM
Personally I've never seen a rope halter do a darned bit of good on an unruly horse. I think they're a joke. I'd use a chain and set the spoiled brat down on his keister once or twice and he'd learn fast how I expect him to behave while on lead. That should have been worked out LONG before he got to be an "unruly 2 year old." Yikes. But that's just me. If you're absolutely set on buying a rope halter, you should be able to go to any local tack store and feel them for yourself. I bought a very soft one for about $10. (I didn't want to, but it was required gear with the S&R group I'm in).

buck22
Jul. 27, 2010, 04:23 PM
whoops, was going to suggest these people but they're on vacation too: http://www.naturalhorsesupply.com/

not a parellite either, and his stuff is way over priced, but his halters and leads *are* nice.

I tie my own from quality climbing rope, soft and super pliable without being floppy like a wet noodle. Takes less than an hour - with good directions - even if you're all thumbs. I've had mine for 13 years now.

Concordia
Jul. 27, 2010, 04:25 PM
Please don't turn this into a debate about whether they are worthless or not. We use them here, we learned it from a former Olympic rider and it works for us. As I said, I JUST got him last week and it's not uncommon at all for WB babies to be turned out to pasture until it's time for them to come into work, so again, lets not turn this into a debate. I respect your opinion, please respect mine.

The tack stores here don't carry the soft ones, hence the post requesting info....Thanks.

Concordia
Jul. 27, 2010, 04:25 PM
whoops, was going to suggest these people but they're on vacation too: http://www.naturalhorsesupply.com/

not a parellite either, and his stuff is way over priced, but his halters and leads *are* nice.

I tie my own from quality climbing rope, soft and super pliable without being floppy like a wet noodle. Takes less than an hour - with good directions - even if you're all thumbs. I've had mine for 13 years now.

That is who we normally use! LOL

I don't have any desire to tie my own! LOL

ASBnTX
Jul. 27, 2010, 04:32 PM
http://www.handcraftedjewls.com/
Good quality, prices, and colors!

sublimequine
Jul. 27, 2010, 04:34 PM
sunsethalters.com

LuvMyTB
Jul. 27, 2010, 04:37 PM
Google Half Circle Ranch.

Equibrit
Jul. 27, 2010, 04:38 PM
These work;http://www.petvetsupply.com/tachbnh005.html (http://www.petvetsupply.com/tachbnh005.html)

pAin't_Misbehavin'
Jul. 27, 2010, 04:40 PM
http://lodgeropes.webs.com/ropehalters.htm

Yes, I know they're in Australia. But I used to see a lot of posts from this lady on another BB, and I remember her posting that she had lots of customers near me, in the Carolinas.

So she may have the shipping-to-the-US-difficulties/expenses all worked out already.

Anyway, I've heard wonderful things about her halters. But I can't speak from personal experience. If I can't lead it in a leather halter, I'm putting a chain across its nose.:lol:

tabula rashah
Jul. 27, 2010, 04:47 PM
sunsethalters.com

Second this- I have a couple from these guys that I really like. I also love that I can get them in different sizes-

twofatponies
Jul. 27, 2010, 05:02 PM
Also not a Parellite, and also find them useful. ;) Mine are from Double Diamond. http://www.doublediamondhalters.com/

sublimequine
Jul. 27, 2010, 05:06 PM
Second this- I have a couple from these guys that I really like. I also love that I can get them in different sizes-

They have great customer service, too. :)

Aggie4Bar
Jul. 27, 2010, 05:35 PM
Mine are also Double Diamond though I wouldn't describe them as soft. I have taken flight while attached to an unruly 2-year old in a rope halter and found with that particular oversized snot that power steering (chain) was a necessity. Hopefully, your boisterous fella is more impressionable. :winkgrin:

goeslikestink
Jul. 27, 2010, 07:22 PM
**Ducks from Flames** "Hold your fire!!"


Before anyone throws a flaming road apple at me, let me explain.

All of our horses wear rope halters. We are far from (what do they call them here?) Parellites? But we do use a bit of common sense horsemanship in some of our training. Not that I need to explain, but we don't spend hours shaking sticks at our horses, but I have to admit that it does seem to help a bit with ground manners, so they know the basics. We are a Dressage and Event barn and have horses at the highest levels - we are not 'no clue' back yarders who think the GOAL is a Level Whatever Parelli horse.

THAT SAID; Our supplier of rope halters is "On vacation" and I have a very unruly 2 year old Dutch gelding who is giving the girls walking him out to the pasture the 'what for' (giggles, he's so naughty, I love babies!)

They've requested I get him a rope halter. I have been working with him on manners and he is quickly learning, but I've only had him a week and he's - er..... boisterous. LOL

I REFUSE to support PP and buy overpriced, over marketed equipment from him.

Does anyone know where I can get a good quality rope halter? I need the kind with the soft rope, not the hard, hold it's shape even off the horse kind...and I also need a lead with a heavy clasp.

TIA!

*sigh* Flame away ;):yes: (I may even join you - consider me thoroughly embarrased!) LOL

why let girls lead the horse out then your putting those girls at risk and your not doing the horse any favours at all


why
becuase the horse will learn his real strenght and later when you want to do things all he needs to do is turn his head as he will be a full on full power

the thing to do is nip that in the bud now --------------
and not by a rope halter or chain over the nose

but by leading him with someone as in yourself if your any good as you claim with youngsters

- by being the boss - period you lead this horse out with some one that isnt going to allow the horse to take the piss and someone that can set his boundrires today not in a week or nextt week
but today ------- use your body langage and your voice two yanks of the lead rope and blooming tell the horse walk and you lead him under the chin with one hand hanve the excess lead rope in the other and make the horse walk in time your steps with you at his schoulder and if nesscary then take a show cane in the same hand that your holding him with under the chin with you so if he mis behaves you poke him in the neck and tell him to get back you rhn back up this command with the spare lead rope
and flick it -at his body
done dusted the horse will walk - i cant stand bargy horses
and your beter of with a head collar and lead rope

LMH
Jul. 27, 2010, 07:31 PM
Another good supplier:

http://www.tammysropetack.com/tammysropetack%40aol.com/Welcome.html

SonnysMom
Jul. 27, 2010, 09:56 PM
I bought one from here
http://stores.ebay.com/Hoof-n-Trail-Custom-Horse-Tack


Fast shipping and cheap. The halter is nice and soft. I did not buy the one with the extra knots but for an unruly 2 yr old warmblood I might consider it.
I have a sensitive Arab cross and thought the extra knots would be overkill.

Concordia
Jul. 27, 2010, 10:08 PM
why let girls lead the horse out then your putting those girls at risk and your not doing the horse any favours at all


why
becuase the horse will learn his real strenght and later when you want to do things all he needs to do is turn his head as he will be a full on full power

the thing to do is nip that in the bud now --------------
and not by a rope halter or chain over the nose

but by leading him with someone as in yourself if your any good as you claim with youngsters

- by being the boss - period you lead this horse out with some one that isnt going to allow the horse to take the piss and someone that can set his boundrires today not in a week or nextt week
but today ------- use your body langage and your voice two yanks of the lead rope and blooming tell the horse walk and you lead him under the chin with one hand hanve the excess lead rope in the other and make the horse walk in time your steps with you at his schoulder and if nesscary then take a show cane in the same hand that your holding him with under the chin with you so if he mis behaves you poke him in the neck and tell him to get back you rhn back up this command with the spare lead rope
and flick it -at his body
done dusted the horse will walk - i cant stand bargy horses
and your beter of with a head collar and lead rope

You assume that our barn girls are ignorant, no experience beginners...first error in assumption... but I'm not going to even justify the rest of your blather with a response.

I just love when people assume all others are ignorant and that THEY can save the world with what THEY know. God forbid someone might do things differently. Consider me appropriately chastized. Thank you, do you feel better now? **rolls eyes**

.

Murkuryrising
Jul. 27, 2010, 10:24 PM
Hope you got your halter, and he's behaving,lol. He'll learn respect and personal space soon enough.

Concordia
Jul. 27, 2010, 10:29 PM
Hope you got your halter, and he's behaving,lol. He'll learn respect and personal space soon enough.

Thanks :)

He's a pretty quick learner but has a stubburn streak. LOL He was turned out with another youngster and allowed to just be a baby and grow up... He was handled daily, but not excessively - I think mainly led in to eat and then back out.

We had another 'personal space' lesson tonight and he seems to be getting more respectful :)

Aggie4Bar
Jul. 27, 2010, 10:51 PM
why
becuase the horse will learn his real strenght and later when you want to do things all he needs to do is turn his head as he will be a full on full power

the thing to do is nip that in the bud now --------------
and not by a rope halter or chain over the nose... [cut]This is all nice in theory, but when they've had a successful experiment or two and show up at your barn already feeling a little big for their britches (as the OP suggests this new 2-year old has), nipping it in the bud sometimes requires a little leverage to get the point across.

Concordia
Jul. 27, 2010, 10:54 PM
This is all nice in theory, but when they've had a successful experiment or two and show up at your barn already feeling a little big for their britches (as the OP suggests this new 2-year old has), nipping it in the bud sometimes requires a little leverage to get the point across.

Yes, thank you :)


Also, off topic... I just noticed your signature. I LOVE that movie!!! Hahah

Draftygirl
Jul. 27, 2010, 11:01 PM
I'd just use a proper shank on him -- over the nose and up the other side so it doesn't go in his eye. I learned from my experience with my big half draft girl not to fool around with half measures, and those rope halters are just that. How in the heck are you supposed to tie them on for one thing. Forget those rope halters, carrot sticks, weird long lead ropes, all that B.S. If your horse isn't respectful put a shank on him, but do it right so it doesn't make more problems. My $.02.

Murkuryrising
Jul. 27, 2010, 11:06 PM
:lol:Thats awesome, my Gypsy stallion had a "personal space" issue , he is over it now ,took love and time and alot of stand still young man for him lol. they are all so different , your lucky to have a fast learner . keep us posted and enjoy the journey with him.

myrna
Jul. 27, 2010, 11:19 PM
I am short and well past 21.I find a quick lesson with a chain on a halter solves any problems with horses coming into our barn.I don't like rope halters in general but that is just my opinion.

LoveJubal
Jul. 27, 2010, 11:51 PM
Also not a Parellite, and also find them useful. ;) Mine are from Double Diamond. http://www.doublediamondhalters.com/

Good quality. I have one that is 3 years old, used often and still has good shape and looks basically brand new. Although, if you are looking for a soft rope halter, this may not be what you need. I like the stiffer ones because they tend not to swing all around the face. The knots put the pressure where they are supposed to when the halter stays put.
Their leadropes are good too. I think Dover sells the halters and the lead ropes.

Good luck with your unruly one! You are right teaching him those lessons now instead of 2 years from now!

Foxtrot's
Jul. 28, 2010, 01:35 AM
I've never had a problem finding rope halters - any tack store would have them, except those specialist English tack stores, I would have thought.

I use both - but when they push through a leather halter, the good old rope halter goes on and they listen much better without having to shank. They are much more of a Western item than English I think and the cowboys do not put up with any b.s. No carrot sticks in sight.

twcolabear
Jul. 28, 2010, 05:19 AM
I got mine from Clinton Anderson's website years ago. It works great on my boisterous WB youngsters. I actually prefer rope/knotted halters to halter with a chain. Here is a link: http://www.downunderhorsemanship.com/products2.cfm/id/214/name/Halter%20and%20Lead
Although when I bought mine 5 years ago, it was not this expensive.

Sorry I'm no help when it comes to where you can get one now.

7HL
Jul. 28, 2010, 06:35 AM
Burwash Brand Horse Gear

http://www.burwashbrand.com/rope.htm

wildlifer
Jul. 28, 2010, 09:45 AM
http://www.sunsethalters.com

The BEST rope halters and other rope goods/tack. Karen and her husband make each one by hand to order and you can pick heaps of fun colours and styles. They use excellent rope (you can pick diameters and type) and these things last forever -- no fading, no stretching, and you can wash it in a bucket or the washing machine.

mjmvet
Jul. 28, 2010, 12:51 PM
I like the doublediamond ones myself. I also find that if they're too stiff, it can help to stuff them in a pillowcase, wash with lots of fabric softener, and dry with fabric softener sheets. Good luck!

ddashaq
Jul. 28, 2010, 12:52 PM
http://www.handcraftedjewls.com/
Good quality, prices, and colors!

Second this one. I have halters from them and naturalhorsesupply.com and like them both a lot.

Mozart
Jul. 28, 2010, 02:07 PM
I have a yearling sized halter that I got at Dover a few years ago (name escapes me..sorry...). It is a regular nylon halter but there is a nylon covered cable under the noseband and under the crown piece. Makes the point rather nicely without making a big deal about it. Mine is a yearling size but they came in adult sizes as well.

I have tried a rope halter but after I adjusted it to fit my horse...well, I just didn't trust my knots. I kept having visions of it just giving away as I was leading a horse.

I just thought I would mention it if you or anyone else is interested in another alternative.

twotrudoc
Jul. 28, 2010, 02:50 PM
I just saw this thread :)

www.sunsethalters.com

good prices and custom if you need it, made in the USA and the owner Karen is my good friend. Reliable and not on vacation LOL!!

AppJumpr08
Jul. 28, 2010, 03:44 PM
Actually, I would use a rope halter (the sort with the knots on the nose) over a chain. Honest. I was a critic, until I saw the change in my stallion. The chain once tight is hard to loosen and will not only not provide instant relief when the pressure is taken away, but they can lean on it once it's tight. A good snap down on a rope halter gets even more attention than a chain over the nose does, at least in my experience..

I'm going to try sunset halters myself - I need a few more around here! Thanks for the link! :)

Widget
Jul. 28, 2010, 04:03 PM
I too am a BIG fan of www.sunsethalters.com

Great stuff, good quality and customer service is great!

wendy
Jul. 28, 2010, 04:35 PM
Actually, I would use a rope halter (the sort with the knots on the nose) over a chain. Honest.
me too. Before the koolaid people gave them a bad name, they were commonly used and very cheap- I got several for $5 a pop- and they are a much better tool to control the unruly horse than a nose-chain. They apply pressure to the poll, nose, and the curb-strap area, pressure that is rapidly applied and instantly releases. Nothing "natural" or "gentle" about them at all. Seen a horse who had been turned into an evasive "run in reverse" manic beast with chains turn into a true believer after slamming his head into a stiff rope halter.

sublimequine
Jul. 28, 2010, 04:43 PM
Actually, I would use a rope halter (the sort with the knots on the nose) over a chain. Honest. I was a critic, until I saw the change in my stallion. The chain once tight is hard to loosen and will not only not provide instant relief when the pressure is taken away, but they can lean on it once it's tight. A good snap down on a rope halter gets even more attention than a chain over the nose does, at least in my experience..

I'm going to try sunset halters myself - I need a few more around here! Thanks for the link! :)

Agreed, the "strongest" thing I've ever used on a horse is a double knotted rope halter.. those suckers can really get a horse's attention fast. If my mare is having a naughty moment, I actually will try a chain first, then resort to the stronger rope halter.

twotrudoc
Jul. 28, 2010, 07:24 PM
Yup, Sunset Halters is the best! Karen not only has the best rope halters, etc, she also makes a mean peanut butter fudge pie ;)

costco_muffins
Jul. 28, 2010, 08:56 PM
http://www.doublediamondhalters.com/Halters/halters.htm

This is where we get ours. Our local grange sells them and so I am always able to buy one that is soft. Some of their models are soft and some are harder, it just depends on the materials and width of the halter.

Cheap, too!

AppJumpr08
Jul. 28, 2010, 09:03 PM
Yup, Sunset Halters is the best! Karen not only has the best rope halters, etc, she also makes a mean peanut butter fudge pie ;)

Now how do we get THAT in the mail?! :lol::confused:

Foxtrot's
Jul. 29, 2010, 01:11 AM
Oh - to the OP: Don't apologize or hide your head - these rope halters were in use long, long before the name brand NH'ers made them required equipment. They work, a good hand can make them from rope around the old campfire, and they are strong.

Actually, does anybody remember when they were made of cotton rope - ghastly stories of them being left on horses turned out for the winter - the horses would grow if they were young stock, and the rope would shrink in the rains.

twotrudoc
Jul. 29, 2010, 10:33 AM
Now how do we get THAT in the mail?! :lol::confused:

LOL! I told her I posted this here and she better get in the kitchen early today :yes: I may have to stop by and "check" on how she is coming along..

PalominoMorgan
Jul. 29, 2010, 01:47 PM
Love a rope halter too. I always ponied my extra horse in one. WAY more control than a chain. Saved the link for one of the stores cause I saw they made dog collars too. :) I have corgis so rope collars would actually be perfect to sit in their fur.

spotmenow
Jul. 29, 2010, 07:26 PM
PLEASE, call them ROPE halters and not Parelli halters... :D

Seriously, I've always been a fan of the Double Diamond halters and if you want the softer feel, try the Buck Brannaman line.

Rhyadawn
Jul. 29, 2010, 09:52 PM
Before I heard of Parelli and all the other crap out there I was making rope halters in the evenings at the barn. My coach bought some nice cord-ish type rope (might be for sailing?) and taught me to make them. Simple, easy to make. And small enough to always have an extra one with you.

We don't use them all the time, but they are so versatile that I'm usually found with one in my back pocket when I'm going out to the feild to bring someone in and I don't know who till I get out there. Doesn't matter if they are pony or warmblood I can adjust the halter to fit!

if you can tie simple knots then you can make your own

cdalt
Jul. 30, 2010, 09:36 AM
I purchased a knock-off "Clinton Anderson" halter on ebay from someone who makes and sells them there for around $15 or $20. I love it - it is fairly stiff, has the extra knots on either side of the bridge of the nose and works great for my 17.2, not too bright, WB gelding. He really respects it (if not me <grin>) and I don't have to remind him very often to stay in his space. Much prefer using it to a halter/chain combo.

Foxtrot's
Jul. 30, 2010, 01:34 PM
A 'knock-off' Clinton Anderson halter because it has a couple of extra knots in it - give me a break! Its a rope halter - how trumped up can these people get?

GirlGeek
Jul. 30, 2010, 09:02 PM
Hi,

Not to hijack the thread, but I'm curious about using rope halters and turnout.

Our horses are turned out with their halters on, and we have a few characters that play "pullie face" with each other, yanking and pulling each other by their halters. Would these halters be safe under those circumstances, since they don't have a breakaway strap?

Thanks in advance,

GG

gloriginger
Jul. 30, 2010, 10:15 PM
Hi,

Not to hijack the thread, but I'm curious about using rope halters and turnout.

Our horses are turned out with their halters on, and we have a few characters that play "pullie face" with each other, yanking and pulling each other by their halters. Would these halters be safe under those circumstances, since they don't have a breakaway strap?

Thanks in advance,

GG

I wouldn't...if the horse got stuck on a branch, fence etc. the halter may not break away. Horses really should only be turned out in leather halters, or atleast a leather crown piece so that it will break if the horse is stuck.

DLee
Jul. 30, 2010, 10:26 PM
What a great link, the quick catch rope halter is EXACTLY what I've been looking for!

7HL
Jul. 31, 2010, 08:09 AM
Why turn out in halters at all? None of our horses or any of the horses were we are at are turned out in halters. Seems like a training issue.

GirlGeek
Jul. 31, 2010, 09:03 AM
@7HL,

Not a training issue at all. I board my horse, and the BO prefers them out with their halters.

pony grandma
Jul. 31, 2010, 11:08 AM
We have always used rope halters. I have a very nice soft cotton one for foals. Most excellent for teaching to lead!!

I like the thinness to use them under bridles. We always have one under when riding out with a lead rope attached wrapped around their neck. When we're done schooling we take the bridle off and ride back in the halter to cool out. The horse learns to really relax and be chill. And horses go so easy in them bareback.

There is nothing Parelli about them at all. That chokes me up.

cdalt
Jul. 31, 2010, 08:31 PM
Chill Foxtrot - I only referred to it as a "Clinton Anderson" knock-off since it was so much like the one a friend of mine had that she had spent big bucks for with the "name" brand! I thought I was pretty clever getting the same effect at a much much lower price. I realize perfectly well that rope halters (even with extra knots) have been around forever. My point was that I find it more useful for my huge, somewhat dumb, boy than a halter/chain combo.

SarahandSam
Jul. 31, 2010, 10:24 PM
There's a lot of responses and I haven't read all of them, so forgive me if you addressed this, but do you mean you want a large snap-on lead, or just a knotted-on lead?

If you meant a metal snap-on, I would suggest getting an all-rope outfit instead... the reason for a rope halter rather than a chain over the nose isn't necessarily about additional control, it's about greater refinement of control and direction, and the metal tends to inhibit that. It's annoying to have a halter and lead rope connected permanently (though they can be separated, just equally annoyingly) but since a rope halter should only be used as a training aid and not left on all the time, it's not generally a big deal.

I like Julie Goodnight's brand, because I like that the noseband has some heft but is still flexible, and she uses a nice nautical rope for the lead... my fave is Double Diamond, and they have a variety of different weights, from very light and soft to heavier and stiffer.

Jingo-ace
Aug. 1, 2010, 01:21 AM
There's also lots of decent "rope" halters by many different makers on EBAY. Search on "rope halter" in the Equestrian section of Sports Equipment. Good Luck finding what you need for your "naughty" guy!
:) J

Foxtrot's
Aug. 1, 2010, 01:39 AM
Cdalt - yup - I'll chill - not aimed at you - just these name brand experts get me a bit riled up with their speshul equipment when some version of it has been around for ever for very little or no $$$.

sunny59
Aug. 1, 2010, 03:57 AM
me too. Before the koolaid people gave them a bad name, they were commonly used and very cheap- I got several for $5 a pop- and they are a much better tool to control the unruly horse than a nose-chain. They apply pressure to the poll, nose, and the curb-strap area, pressure that is rapidly applied and instantly releases. Nothing "natural" or "gentle" about them at all. Seen a horse who had been turned into an evasive "run in reverse" manic beast with chains turn into a true believer after slamming his head into a stiff rope halter.

I agree. I laugh at people who think they are gentle and "natural". They can be quite severe! And used properly, quite effective in teaching an unruly horse the facts of life. Nothing better for getting a horse to lead nice and light with good manners.