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SavvyRogue
Feb. 19, 2006, 07:17 AM
Okay. Is there anyone out there with this saddle (sells on eBay)? Or have you all heard anything about them. Visually they are close to a Bob Marshall. I purchased one early on that looks like the Torsion Saddle. I got it and didn't like it the pommel/cantle were very "unstable". But since then they have offered the other style. Curious to hear if anyone has ridden in one.

CanterQueen
Feb. 20, 2006, 07:05 AM
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/83120.../228200067#228200067 (http://chronicleforums.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/831204994/m/717200757/r/228200067#228200067)

This topic was addressed in an earlier thread . . . not a lot of good things being said about Hilason saddles.

colleent
Feb. 23, 2006, 07:51 AM
i rode in one a few years ago, exercising an endurance horse for the owner. i loved it. it was the most comfortable saddle i have ever ridden in. BUT you have to have balance to use on. if you put too much weight in one stirrup you'll roll the saddle. if anyone has one cheap i'd love to buy it. i normally ride in a 16-16.5 inch english saddle. not sure what size that would be in the Sport saddle.

dm
Feb. 23, 2006, 01:53 PM
Aren't the Hilason saddles relatively new? I don't remember seeing them before a year or so ago. Coleen, are you sure you tried out a Hilason and not a Bob Marshall sports saddle?

A friend of mine bought a Hilason last year and didn't like the quality or the fit at all. She already had a Bob Marshall Sports saddle that she loved and thought the Hilason would be just like it, but for less money. Wrong. She sent it back.

colleent
Feb. 23, 2006, 01:58 PM
they used to be called just plain SPORT SADDLES. no Bob Marshall. i am guessing he bought the company. when i hear Bob Marshall i think of the western treeless saddles. the Hilason ones are the ones i rode in. black leather with a cantle and a hand hold for a pommel. whatever they are called now, i rode in one. maybe the make is different than they used to be, but the endurance riders around here( margaret( maggie) Price) owned the farm i rode on and she had a bunch of them.

here is a link, the TOP photo is the saddle i speak of.

http://www.endurance.net/horseworks/saddle.html

SavvyRogue
Feb. 23, 2006, 02:17 PM
Yep thats the BM sports saddle. The Hilason is close but wanted to know how close. I have ridden in Bob Marshalls (BM) and like them but cant afford the cost and time it takes to order.

Ambishahn
Feb. 26, 2006, 03:20 AM
i bought a hilason and it was HORRIBLE!!!!! When I got it, the saddle was in the box completely flat and I could never get it to bend to anything near the shape of the horse's back. The leather was cheap; the billets cracked the first time that I tried to girth it up. I tried to contact the company several times, but they would not respond at all.

JaneF
Mar. 4, 2006, 10:34 AM
Bob Marshall invented the Sport Saddle. It is made in a variety of styles including western barrel, pleasure, etc., and the endurance model shown above.

For a few years the BM patent rights were sold to Circle Y so the saddle could be produced also under their name, hence the "Circle Y Bob Marshall Sport Saddle." I read somewhere that was done when the original company could not keep up with production for the demand. I don't know if that's true. My understanding is the the deal ran out a year or so ago, and was not renewed, so the Sport Saddle is again only available from the Bob Marshall company. I have one of the Circle Y BMs, and despite reading that some people think the BM Original is a better saddle, I did not see that in comparing them.

The Hilason appears to be a BM copy of lower quality, which I'm surprised has not had patent complaints...or maybe not at the cost of pursuing an infringement.

pintopiaffe
Mar. 12, 2006, 06:57 PM
I actually tried one. Well, three, altogether.

My experience:

I got the lower pommel "endurance" model. I was told the seat ran true to size, so I got a 15". That arrived, and was gorgeous. VERY good quality leather for the price. Billets were nylon... stirrup leathers were nylon lined. Really, actually BETTER leather than I expected.

Alas, seat size was small. TOO small.

Very agreeably, I was told to return it. Which I did, and replacement arrived promptly and was INCREDIBLY crooked. Leather was nowhere near the quality either. The pommel was offset by about 3 inches, and the cantle by at least 1.5. Hm. I thought. People have Mondays, people have bad days.

Returned it again--communication simple via email, hassle free... however this time waited a LONG time for the replacement. Right around Christmas, I'm fine with that... communication rarer and rarer. Finally I tried to put in a complaint with Paypal--by now the transaction was too old. Was contacted by email and by phone, "sorry for the mixup, your replacement is on the way!"

IT arrived...and while not AS crooked as replacement #1... it was still crooked. Pommel offset by about 2" this time, and cantle still by about 1.5. :(

Honestly, had the first one been the right size, I would have nothing but praise for the product. I'm pretty astounded at the difference between the first and the second two. I suspect people who are happy with the saddles got a good one.

So far, saddle #3 been returned, but paypal hasn't been credited yet. We'll see how that goes. I've no reason to believe that will be a problem... yet. By the end of the week I'll know for sure.

I'm quite dissapointed as I really wanted an inexpensive western type saddle for very, very occasional use. The first one was GREAT. If I could just get the bigger size with that quality, I'd be VERY happy. Alas.... <sigh>

xring
Mar. 13, 2006, 11:42 AM
I actually tried one. Well, three, altogether.


Just to clarify, as I'm seriously considering a new Bob Marshall, you are talking about the Hilason, right? I've not read any negative comments on the BM and want to be sure.

pintopiaffe
Mar. 16, 2006, 10:54 AM
yep... I was replying to the original post, re: Hilason.

The only negative I've ever heard re: BM's is that the pommel can sometimes not be quite wide enough for the widest/flattest types.

pintopiaffe
Apr. 16, 2006, 01:27 PM
Just a post script to my experiences...

I rec'd two voice mails from the company wishing to 'discuss' my return of the 2nd saddle. I'll credit them with trying to contact me! I had emailed three times asking for a refund.

Finally, I emailed with a copy of the original pay-pal invoice/payment, a plea for a refund as I work nights and was not available for phone calls during Mountain Standard Time, and a... statement... that I WOULD pursue this with the BBB if it was not resolved.

*Poof* payment refunded the next day.

I am really dissapointed, as said above, the first saddle was LOVELY and if it had been the right size, I think I'd be very happy with my experience.

The first return went well.

The second and third saddles were horribly crooked.

The 'refund' was more of a hassle than the returns, but eventually worked.

And that's my first hand experience. FWIW.

ashley4411
Dec. 19, 2006, 11:13 PM
I think people are not leaving the right feedback and a lot of people are deprived of the right information. Of all the messages I see only one person has tried the Hilason Treeless Saddles and that two in early 2005. Their saddle has changed significantly and I can testify for Hilason saddles as my entire training school is using it (Over 46 horses). I had 6 Bob Marshall's and bought about 17 of Hilason for a better and more comfortable ride. Their products have features that I have not found in three other treeless saddles. I will deny and oppose any negative of their new saddles and I think people can buy thier saddles with confidence. Please contact me if you need more information.
Happy Riding!!!

braford
Apr. 18, 2007, 01:01 AM
you get what you pay for & my daughter paid for poor quality junk using my ebay account!

She wanted Bob Marshall but could not afford it so tried the Hillison treeless sold by leathergem on ebay & I was going to buy one too after I checked hers out . . . they run even smaller than they say they do, the cantle was on crooked, the whole saddle was twisted, the fenders were like cheap, hard, thin, cardboard . . . the stirrup straps did not have blevens buckles & they were thin & less than an inch wide, would have broke on the first ride . . . I've been told they are made in India . . . after a lot of hassle I not only got her money back but also her restocking fee, they offered to do it for me while asking me if I would consider retracting the bad feedback . . . after I got her money back, I considered & decided to leave the negative feed back about poor quality because if other people would not have retracted theirs, I would have seen the negatives in the score & not have bought from them . . . they were nice until then . . . they said I don't know QUALITY leather . . . my husband repairs saddles & this saddle was such poor quality that it would not have even been repairable!

When I would not retract my feedback, they left me the only bad feedback I have ever gotten on ebay . . . see below



IGNORANT, STUBBORN, dubious; beware; not good as a customer, shame for ebay!!!

Seller leathergem Jan-22-06 05:39 7202807333

Reply by braford1957: bought saddle/paid same day/returned same day delivered & I left them bad feedback 4 poor quality

northern child
Apr. 20, 2007, 12:05 AM
Haven't had any experience with Hilason, but have a Bob Marshall. Expensive, but worth every penny. Most comfortable saddle I've ever sat in. The mare loves it too!

saratoga
Apr. 20, 2007, 01:07 AM
My friend has a Hilason, one of the Bob marshall knock-offs, had it for a few years. She does not have to the money to spend on expensive saddles, $400 is about her limit. The HIlason is working well for her- it is clearly not the highest quality saddle but it is comfy for her and fits all the horses she has tried it on. She has even ridden one of my horses in it on a 25 and his back was perfect afterwards.

So for those who just cant afford a brand name treeless saddle, it might be worth a try. I have another friend on a budget who just bought a treeless saddle from ebay made by "Sydney Saddleworks" which looks like a Barefoot Cheyenne copy. ONly cost about $250 and she is happy with it.

spotteddrafter
Apr. 20, 2007, 08:37 AM
Just to clarify, as I'm seriously considering a new Bob Marshall, you are talking about the Hilason, right? I've not read any negative comments on the BM and want to be sure.


I have an Original Bob Marshall (Not a Circle Y version) and LOVE it!!!! My draft mare is so hard to fit, not even "draft bars" fit. One I went treeless, we've never looked back! She used to be "cinchy" because, as I know now, my other saddles hurt. :( The overall change in her attitude is wonderful, but the change in her gaits is the most dramatic. She is free in her shoulders, and moves out with absolutely NO hesitation.

I have a friend of a friend who tried several Hillason and had nothing but problems. I've never tried them, so can't comment. But, the person I know has nothing but negativity for that particular company.

Here's the thing about treeless saddles, you pay for what you get. If you want a cheaper version, that's exactly what you will get. :no: If you have the money for a BM, I will tell you it's worth the wait to get it. I will not ever ride in another saddle again.

JackSprats Mom
Apr. 27, 2007, 07:31 PM
http://www.endurance.net/horseworks/saddle.html

Is this the Bob Marshall site or the Hillason one?

northern child
Apr. 27, 2007, 08:19 PM
It looks like the Bob Marshall rather than the Hilason, but doesn't give definite brand information. Check out www.treelesssaddle.com

April Battles is the sales person. She is an endurance rider as well and she knows her stuff. VERY helpful.

luvs2ride79
Apr. 28, 2007, 12:09 AM
Is this the Bob Marshall site or the Hillason one?

On her home page it says she's a distributor for Sports Saddle, Inc., which is Bob Marshall. The saddles on that site look too nice to be Hilasons.

luvs2ride79
Apr. 28, 2007, 12:14 AM
I think people are not leaving the right feedback and a lot of people are deprived of the right information. Of all the messages I see only one person has tried the Hilason Treeless Saddles and that two in early 2005. Their saddle has changed significantly and I can testify for Hilason saddles as my entire training school is using it (Over 46 horses). I had 6 Bob Marshall's and bought about 17 of Hilason for a better and more comfortable ride. Their products have features that I have not found in three other treeless saddles. I will deny and oppose any negative of their new saddles and I think people can buy thier saddles with confidence. Please contact me if you need more information.
Happy Riding!!!

Oh dear, I wonder which Hilason employee this chick is! LOL :lol:

Bogie
Apr. 28, 2007, 09:00 AM
I tried one and was very disappointed with the stiffness of the leather and the rider comfort of the saddle. I don't know how my horse felt about it as I didn't use it that much.

I eventually donated it to a therapeutic riding school where they did find it helpful.

I then tried a Barefoot Cheyenne, which I liked alright. I thought it was reasonably comfortable for both horse and rider, but more of a glorified bareback pad than a saddle. I know a lot of people here seem to like them. I had bought mine used and sold it at a profit :D.

Treeless saddles still intrigued me and I ended up with two: a Torsion Extra Light and a FreeForm. I like both of them quite a bit. The Torsion gives a very close contact feel, is beautifully made and feels very secure. The Freeform is more like a treed saddle than the others. It is not such a close contact ride, but more so than a treed saddle. What I really like about them is that you can buy interchangeable seats for the base. That means that my daughter can use the same saddle. It's an excellent feature. The Freeform also has a feature that allows you to adjust where you place the stirrups. This is helpful to me as I have very long legs and found that with a fixed stirrup position, some saddles (like the cheyenne) put me in a chair seat.

Both of these saddles seem to offer the horses more support in that the saddle provides some gullet relief because of the structure of the front fork (not the gullet that's seen in some of the newer Treeless saddles). I also use a therapeutic pad underneath -- either a Skito or a Saddleright. I have two horses -- a Trakehner and a TB. Neither has particularly pronounced withers so are good candidates for treeless.

If you want a Treeless saddle, best bet is to buy one of the "better" brands used. As I recall, I paid $550 for the Cheyenne and sold it for about $625. I paid $700 each for the Torsion and the Freeform. The Torsion I bought on ebay. It was essentially brand new and came in the buffalo leather (which I vastly prefer to nubuck). The Freeform I bought from someone on the treeless saddle forum on yahoo. Yes, that's more than the Hilalson saddles cost, but definitely worth waiting and saving up for. My experience is that if you buy the saddles for a fair price you can resell them for that (or more!) if you find they don't work for you.

When I was last looking for a treeless saddle, I spoke several times to the Torsion dealer whom I found to be extremely helpful. Their website is www.gotreeless.com (http://www.gotreeless.com).

Good luck! I really like my treeless saddles and it was worth sifting through the brands.

Romantic Rider
May. 11, 2007, 11:17 PM
My sister is in the hunt for a treeless saddle right now. I would be too if I had the funds. So, I tell her no Hilsason. (that is rather hard, because Hilason is just about all you see on Ebay). She's rather put off by the price on the brand name saddles. She's found one that she thinks would work, but i have never heard of the brand. Maya, I believe. Has any one else ever heard of this?

Bogie
May. 17, 2007, 09:55 AM
Personally, I'd stay with the name brands. A few other places to look for used treeless saddles:
http://classifieds.endurance.net/index.php?a=5&b=177

or the treeless saddle forum on Yahoo.

Also important is the proper padding. Even used, the skito pads and similar are $$.

dixygirl
Nov. 11, 2007, 12:41 PM
I have ridden in both the Bob Marshall Endurance and the Hilason Endurance and I can safely say that the main differences are name and price tag.

More specifically, the only real difference between the two is in the toplines. Otherwise these two treeless endurance saddles are almost identical.
The topline of the Bob Marshall is contoured with a dip in the profile behind the horse's withers. The topline of the Hilason is straight. It can conform to your own horse's topline with wear. Once this happens there is nothing different at all except the price tag. Oh some people's egos trick them into thinking there are more differences than there actually are.

See:
Hilason
http://www.hilason.com/products/2485/BLACK+NARROW+SKIRT+HSEE102.aspx
Bob Marshall
http://www.sportssaddle.com/b_endurance.php
dixy

2Horse
Nov. 11, 2007, 07:15 PM
I read somewhere that was done when the original company could not keep up with production for the demand. I don't know if that's true. .

I live about 30 miles from Bob Marshall. His factory is at his horse farm and it is not very big. So I'd say what you said is right.
The people who were there were really nice to talk to. When I can come up with the money, I'm going to go there and have them make me one.:yes:

pattiofdarkstar
Feb. 19, 2008, 05:31 PM
I picked one up on eBay- my big gelding had a brief sore back problem, he is very wide but has narrow withers, my Stubben fits him fine, but i was looking for a knocking around trail type saddle.
I paid $198 for a smooth brown leather,saddle. It was described as English, does have long English billets, but has western fenders and stirrups.
I ditched their stirrups, used my western endurance ones and took it out a number of times.
My horse loves it, ( Gold Star there, he's my boy!)
It was pretty comfortable, I did everything in it, hills, galloped, jumped seems like a pleasant, fun, saddle.
A couple of my friends rode it- one hated it,( she has back issues and we had a terrible time finding her saddle, that she is happy with...),
my other friend wants one now- she loved it. She also hunts in a Stubben but wants a play saddle.
The leather is decent- not world class- but I feel the saddle was pretty cheap, so I can live with it.
(I also take excellent care of all of my tack, clean it every time I use it, etc..):)

jlw123
Aug. 3, 2008, 08:14 PM
Hi - I have a Hilason Treeless (western style) endurance saddle. I have ridden well over 1,000 miles in it. I am currently using it for 50 mile endurance rides. I really like mine. It was a little stiff at first, but it is great now! I have ridden in a Bob Marshall, too. I really like both. I guess it is up to the individual and your budget. I hope this helps.

IndyPurrs
Aug. 5, 2008, 02:49 PM
I have a treeless western barrel saddle. I love it. One thing I have found is when buying a treeless is size on or two sizes bigger than what you would size a treed saddle. My saddle is a hilason that I bought second hand when I had a brain fart and got back into horses and no equipment. Here is what I found on the saddle. I have since bought a barrel treed saddle.

Pros
very soft sueded leather.

Nice chair effect like sitting in a childs swing very safe feeling.

Formed to my horse and changed form as I got weight on him.

I felt like I was rideing bareback with more safety.

Did not leave saddle sores on my horses back.

GREAT for teaching a new rider or rusty rider balance.

Cons
Getting on it was like a adventure in seeing how fast I could get up there with out slipping the saddle under the horse. They say there is a special way to get on them. Great for a short horse or tall rider I am neither.

D rings kept slipping and crunching the leather on the fenders. I found they had either placed them wrong or they had slipped around.

Saddle has a seriouse case of ugly. It is red and teal blue. Try finding tack that matches.

The fenders feel funny and can rub your legs

You MUST have balance to keep it from slideing.

Girth sits farther back so must be placed farther up the withers of the horse or you may end up seeing how far you can fly as your horse crow hops around the ring. Believe me I can fly about 10 feet in the air.

pandorasboxx
Aug. 6, 2008, 09:47 PM
If you want extensive feedback on the Hilason and, smaller part, Maya saddles, go to the yahoo treeless saddle group. There you have to post with your name and detail your experiences. Lots of great feedback and critical analysis.

FWIW, I ride in a Freeform. Never would risk going the cheapie saddle route but understandable when budget constraints rule. But, while there are a person or two on the yahoo group satisfied with their Hilason saddles, there are many more that are critical of the quality and value for their money.

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/treelesssaddles/

apony
Sep. 1, 2008, 03:53 AM
Hi my name is april and I have one of each. The difference in the hilason is that the pommel drops straight down where your leg hits on the inside of your thigh. The bob marshall and the circle Y both are concave at that point so that your leg fits into that groove and doesn't feel like you have a hard bar pressing against your inner thigh. Than the fact that we can NOT get the Hilason so conture to the horse is frustrating as all get out and my husband has tied the saddle in place several times. The bob marshall saddle is actually contured under the pommel a little, unlike the Hilason that is flat when it comes out of the box and remains basically the same. Also the keepers on the Hilason are right on the edge of the pommel right where your leg goes, so my husband had to remove them.
I decided to have one custom made for me and measured the exact space I wanted between the pommel and cantle which never came out just right with the keepers placed on the skirt vs the side of the pommel and extra D's on it with all black leather. And believe me I talked and talked to these people on just how picky I was as I realized you can get a treeless saddle crooked if they didnt have the same measurements on both sides between the pommel and cantle the same. I couldnt handle riding my custom saddle because my legs hurt against the straight pommel. A friend of mine who has smaller legs bought it off me.
My husbands saddle makes do but we do plan on getting another bob marshal saddle. Those small differences are probably why hilason is not being put out of business. They are not the same saddles where it counts the most and if you have any more questions you may contact me via email at apony@rocketmail.com
I hope this helps. Fork up the $ and buy a bob marshall but I would still be careful to make sure the measurements between the pommel and cantle on both sides are the same distances. And remember they do run smaller than a western by about a size. Good luck,
April Oxford

CanterQueen
Sep. 1, 2008, 07:42 PM
I currently own three different Bob Marshall treeless saddles. LOFF them. Great quality, great fit, great ride. I've done mounted search and rescue on my BM's -- I'm not switching. :no:

You buy cheap -- you get cheap. It's the same with cars, furniture or saddles. So don't expect a lot from a cheap saddle. Damn, if that weren't the case, I'd have bought a brand new truck and offered old-used truck dollars. Think about it!!!!!!

GallopingGrape
Sep. 4, 2008, 01:34 PM
Bob Marshall and Barefoots are fantastic and worth their price. Hilason is cheap, cheap, cheap!!!!!!!!!!

rugbygirl
Sep. 4, 2008, 01:49 PM
I had their "Western Show Saddle"

Cons:
-"silver" is actually very sharp-edged stainless steel
-Pommel digs into your thigh unless you sit far back
-Stirrup flaps curl up and refuse to stay down...the whole saddle digs into your inner thighs. I tried storing it curled down in a bungee cord, it was STILL flat as a board.
-Cantle is really upright
-Skirts are very large/long. This saddle did not fit my standard-size stock horse. It dug into his kidney and restricted his hip. The only horse it actually fit was my Clydesdale. And she was too high-withered for it (it gaped along her topline)
-Leather is cheap, stiff and doesn't do well with a lot of use (wear)
-Tough to store, as it won't sit on a saddle rack
-Wasn't cheap...I could have bought a nice used saddle for around the same price.
-My trainer hated it...she is extremely thin, and the thigh digging REALLY got to her and negatively impacted her position. I have monster thighs and could sort of keep the curling up to a minimum.

Pros:
-When new, it looked good from far away
-I liked the sueded seat
-comfortable on my rear...if the thigh-digging action hadn't been there

I will not purchase another item from Hilason. The quality is extremely low, the prices too high for what you get, and the customer service is appalling. Just try returning something, you'll see.

kenno
Sep. 30, 2008, 01:08 PM
Hillason Saddles is owned by the Rooh family (Rooh International) who import a wide variety of leather and fabric goods, including rugs, from India and the Mid-East. They are listed on nearly every free business website.
Hilason is located in Sugarland Tx (1 888-HILASON) and has a website.
The quality of thier products varies greatly as they are manufactured in a variety of tiny shops in India by people who have no background in the equine industry. Because the goods are made with no supervision and shipped before they can be inspected by the Rooh Int. whatever arrives in the US is what the customer gets stuck with and of course there is no repair or warranty service available.
The Rooh people, including Mohd Fahad, are notorious for evading outraged customers as well as posting glowing accounts of Hillason saddles under assumed names across the internet. These false posts are easily spotted as neither the Roohs or Fahad are adept at writing in the english language, strange word choice and wierd syntax is a dead give away esepcialy when they are hiding behind an anglo 'nome de plume' such as 'Jim Murry'. No doubt Mohd will see this post as he searches the web for 'Hilason' on a daily basis looking for oppertunities to insert another covert endorsement.
If a user is satisfied with a Hillason product they should concider themselves extremely fortunate as this is a very rare occurance.

horse.crazy25
Jun. 17, 2009, 11:44 PM
I recently purchased a Hilason tree less barrel saddle in 1/09 I do agree that it is a very comfortable saddle, but that is about all. Its rigging is horrible the little tiny rings they have on these saddles makes it very difficult to cinch up. It is also very hard to get tight it never feels tight. It does not fit all horses like it claims out of the 6 horses I own it will only fit on two of them. My horses are not thin or under weight either. Just small built and the saddle will not stay in place on one of them. This saddle is definitely not for barrel racing. It is put together so poorly that when going in to turns you can feel this saddle coming apart under you. I am too afraid to use it any more; I feel that if I continue to use this saddle for barrel racing one of the stirrups will come off when I set in to my next turn. Don’t buy one it’s too dangerous and it is definitely not a quality built saddle. I am now afraid to buy a Bob Marshall because it is double the money and I fear I might be in the same situation .

mydakota
Jun. 24, 2009, 02:32 PM
I have a Circle Y Bob Marshall and love it. I too looked at the Hilasons, but decided not to risk it. On another forum this has come up several times and the results are the same. Most were disappointed with the Hilasons. I have also heard a few other people say that the first one shipped was actually decent, but when returned for other reasons (usually fit--treeless run NOTORIOUSLY small) the replacement saddles were awful.

I have only seen one Hilason--at a flea market. It was nowhere near as nice as my Bob Marshall.

shalomypony
Jun. 24, 2009, 04:46 PM
There's absolutely nothing more wonderful than a Bob Marshall.........quality ,comfort and durability alll the way!!!!!!!!!!!:D

braford
Jul. 21, 2009, 02:36 PM
Kenno - GREAT info!

I had posted on my daughter's experience with Hillason, the saddle came here, it was terrible . . . I also bought a Maya saddle last year, I wanted a second Bob Marshall & thought I could not afford it . . . the Maya went back the same day too, not as bad as the Hillason, at least the leather was soft but the workmanship was terrible . . . if you compare Hillason and Maya to bob Marshall in the leather and overall quality, there just is no comparison . . . I was totally honest with the Maya people & I did not expect a bob Marshall BUT that Maya saddle had stitching already coming loose, the whole saddle was going to fall apart . . .

I ordered my Bob Marshall barrel racer in 2007, the year I turned 50, I also ordered a Skito pad with the heavy weight rider foam inserts and EZ ride stirrups . . . the total was almost $1700 but when I think back to all the saddles I have gone through, even custom fit, the BMSS will pay for itself 10 times over. After the Maya I found a used BMSS hornless trail saddle and a used Skito pad, only saved about $200 under new but they were worth it . . . my credit cards hurt a little after both . . . LOL

saddleminiac
Jan. 12, 2010, 03:42 PM
The saddle I have is of Hilason Treeless and its fanstastic. I guess its more got to with taste of the rider and not the saddle. My Tennesse walker loves its. His muscles are free and moves more swifly than before. The quality of the leather was also wonderful.Workmanship, just like any saddle in the market. I know this becuase, I have been riding horses since many of present days riders were not even born. And their prices are way less than bm. I cant speak for others, but would certainly recommened the Hilason Treeless Saddle to my daughter, whome I dearly love. They have just added a new model of Treeless Saddles. You might want to check them out.
http://hilason.com/

analise
Jan. 12, 2010, 04:35 PM
I think it's funny that almost all the good reviews are from people with only one post to their name.

SouthernTrailsGA
Jan. 12, 2010, 07:06 PM
I think it's funny that almost all the good reviews are from people with only one post to their name.

Another thing that is funny, it takes the Hilason Employees over a year before the remember to post, notice 2006, 2008 and the last month of 2009

They do this on all the Forums, quite comical :D:D

PRS
Jan. 13, 2010, 09:44 AM
Save your money. They are cheaply made knockoffs and may resemble the name brand saddles visually but the difference is in the quality. This is a prime case of you get what you pay for. Complaints I've heard:
Constructed poorly
pommel or cantle sewed on crooked
saddle not balanced
cheap leather
horrible customer service
A poorly constructed saddle is the last thing you want between you and your horse. If you want a quality treeless saddle join the treeless saddles group on Yahoo groups. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/treelesssaddles/ It is a very active group with lots of wisdom and experience. Ask your questions there and they can help steer you in the direction of the best treeless saddle for you. If your budget is a little limited, there are often quality used saddles that come up for sale. A quality used saddle is a far better bargain than a cheaply made brand new saddle :) There are several dealers on there too that allow free demos of their saddles (all you pay is shipping to and from) I demoed and purchased mine from Melissa at Freedom Treeless http://www.freedomtreeless.com/saddles.htm

PRS
Jan. 13, 2010, 09:54 AM
The saddle I have is of Hilason Treeless and its fanstastic. I guess its more got to with taste of the rider and not the saddle. My Tennesse walker loves its. His muscles are free and moves more swifly than before. The quality of the leather was also wonderful.Workmanship, just like any saddle in the market. I know this becuase, I have been riding horses since many of present days riders were not even born. And their prices are way less than bm. I cant speak for others, but would certainly recommened the Hilason Treeless Saddle to my daughter, whome I dearly love. They have just added a new model of Treeless Saddles. You might want to check them out.
http://hilason.com/

BwaHaHaHa! They're Heeerrrre! :lol:

Bogie
Jan. 13, 2010, 10:19 AM
Ditto


Save your money. They are cheaply made knockoffs and may resemble the name brand saddles visually but the difference is in the quality. This is a prime case of you get what you pay for. Complaints I've heard:
Constructed poorly
pommel or cantle sewed on crooked
saddle not balanced
cheap leather
horrible customer service
A poorly constructed saddle is the last thing you want between you and your horse. If you want a quality treeless saddle join the treeless saddles group on Yahoo groups. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/treelesssaddles/ It is a very active group with lots of wisdom and experience. Ask your questions there and they can help steer you in the direction of the best treeless saddle for you. If your budget is a little limited, there are often quality used saddles that come up for sale. A quality used saddle is a far better bargain than a cheaply made brand new saddle :) There are several dealers on there too that allow free demos of their saddles (all you pay is shipping to and from) I demoed and purchased mine from Melissa at Freedom Treeless http://www.freedomtreeless.com/saddles.htm

pj
Jan. 13, 2010, 10:29 AM
BwaHaHaHa! They're Heeerrrre! :lol:

Too funny.

Have never even sat in a treeless but have thought about one.
I think before I would purchase any of them I would demo.
Seems like everyone either loves them or really hates them. <G> If I bought one without demoing it I'd probably hate it and there I would be.

I DO like the idea of a treeless though.

PRS
Jan. 15, 2010, 10:01 AM
I was lucky...the first treeless saddle I sat in was perfect for me. I purchased a Sensation Ride G3 Hybrid and LOVE it. It is a quality made saddle manufactured in Canada. The leather is all made in North America and you can see, feel and smell the quality. They have excellent customer service too. A lot of thought, and research goes into the design and manufacture of top quality treeless saddles. Hilason, while copying the design to some extent hasn't done the research and has people who have probably never even seen a horse manufacturing and inspecting their saddles. There is no oversight, no quality control and no customer service. I wouldn't put one anywhere near my horse. Those people who have had positive experiences I label as lucky...you gambled and won. I won't gamble with my horses health or comfort.

Lisa_b84
Jul. 29, 2010, 05:47 PM
I actually like the treeless better than flex tree. It seems to fit my horse's back much better. I purchased a Hilason from their warehouse and actually took my horse straight there. I got tired of the constant ordering and returning of the saddle from other companies and not fit my horse. The manager at Hilason allowed me to bring my horse in and try on as many saddles as i wanted. I finaly found treeless to work best on my horse. Most of their treeless saddles worked great. I purshased one last x-mas and their sale was pretty good. I paid only $499 not bad for a treeless. I've been riding for over 6 months now and my saddle is still in great shape even though I ride almost twice a week for several hours.
Give it a try, you'll find it a pretty good durable saddle.



Okay. Is there anyone out there with this saddle (sells on eBay)? Or have you all heard anything about them. Visually they are close to a Bob Marshall. I purchased one early on that looks like the Torsion Saddle. I got it and didn't like it the pommel/cantle were very "unstable". But since then they have offered the other style. Curious to hear if anyone has ridden in one.

analise
Jul. 29, 2010, 06:55 PM
You ride "almost twice a week"? So, some weeks, do you tack the horse up but then just decide you won't actually ride today so you only almost did?

*removing tongue from cheek*

GreyDes
Jul. 30, 2010, 09:32 AM
I know it's an old thread, but for those asking about how Hilason could be making Bob Marshall knock-offs, here's info from the Bob Marshall site.

http://www.sportssaddle.com/

NOTICE
A lawsuit has been filed in the United States District Court by Bob Marshall Enterprises, Inc, and Sports Saddle, Inc. against “Hilason Saddlery” for patent, trademark, and trade dress infringement.

SPORTS SADDLE® is a registered trademark of Sports Saddle, Inc., for saddles made and sold under the brand of SPORTS SADDLE. Sports Saddle, Inc. is the exclusive licensee of U.S. Patent 5,018,340 and 5,187,924 owned by Bob Marshall Enterprises, Inc. and invented by our founder Mr. Bob Marshall.

Do not be fooled by cheap imports and poor quality imitations! Get the best, a genuine “SPORTS SADDLE” brand saddle by Bob Marshall.

Juhansen
Mar. 18, 2013, 10:45 PM
Which Hilason treeless saddles did you all like the most and what discipline did you use them in?

hundredacres
Mar. 19, 2013, 09:21 AM
Seriously. Three years later. The Halison is still garbage and everyone knows if you come here to post for the first time, and have positive things to say about Halison, you aren't legitimate.

Bogie
Mar. 19, 2013, 10:31 AM
$500 for a POS saddle? Waaaaay too much!

For anyone who wants a treeless saddle, read the Endurance Boards. Guess which brand you won't see mentioned there.