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Blugal
May. 13, 2005, 12:34 PM
Due to popular demand on the 'ST3D: WFP' thread.

I'm raising my hand here.

And don't get me started on the incorrect details in the movie - I simply don't care!

I own the book, movie, and vinyl soundtrack.

One of my favourite quotes is, and I can't quote it exactly, but it goes something like this ( http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )
"Riding the dressage in an international 3-day event in the pouring rain is like dancing Swan Lake in clogs in a bog."

Another one:
"Since 3-day event horses are only marginally less stupid than the people who ride them..."

Who's next?

[Edited to fix quote.]

Mariequi
May. 13, 2005, 12:37 PM
Eww. Y'all enjoy!

tle
May. 13, 2005, 12:47 PM
Actually it's "...in clogs in a bog", but whatever. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Blugal
May. 13, 2005, 12:50 PM
tle, does this mean you are self-proclaiming?
I will change it - remembering movie lines word for word has *always* been a struggle for me http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

tle
May. 13, 2005, 01:00 PM
Always have been. It ranks high on my all time list.

And FWIW, i'm definitely a self proclaimed movie quote guru. Drives my friends crazy! :-)

persefne
May. 13, 2005, 01:05 PM
Ok, I'm going home tonight to rewatch the movie and jot down all of my favorite quotes. I can't remember exactly how it was said, but I liked the one where Captain Johnson is speaking over the training montages and he addresses the issue of cross country saying it is "not, Miss Brown, an opportunity for carefree abandon" (or something of that nature). I've got Sylvester on dvd, but they have yet to release International Velvet on dvd. I can't wait!

Pippa Funnell referenced I.V. several times in her autobiography, so it made a distinct impression on her while growing up. I figure it can't be so bad, then, considering...

AngelEventer
May. 13, 2005, 01:10 PM
YES!!! I LOVE THIS MOVIE!!! (And, I too, realize the innacuracies... but oh well...)

I have the movie... and wish I had more than that.

This movie is amazing!

I love the quotes... they're great. I also like the fact that they showed the work necessary - they didn't let it get horribly emotional and sappy. Captain Johnson is a genious! He said some very wise, and very good things. The movie is a wonderful eventing movie. I too, will have to review the movie for the proper wording of the quotes.

olympicprincess
May. 13, 2005, 01:21 PM
I love it too!!
I think it's time my friend returned my copy. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

eventer girl
May. 13, 2005, 01:35 PM
LOVE THAT MOVIE ---love ithttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

sure is inspiring!

Perfect Pony
May. 13, 2005, 01:36 PM
Oh I am absolutely heartbroken it's not available on DVD? How silly! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

glfprncs
May. 13, 2005, 01:38 PM
My favorite scene is when Sarah is schooling Arizona Pie in the front field, and Auntie Velvet comes running down the lane shouting, "Sarah! Sarah!" and waving a letter. Sarah stops jumping her 2'6" vertical and novice sized ditch to hear her aunt say, "They've chosen you!" Sarah responds, "They've what?". When Aunt Velvet shouts, "They've chosen you for the Olympics!" Sarah shouts, "Yippe" and continues her cantering circuit over the 2'6" crossrail and novice sized ditch. A little far fetched...but it STILL gives me goose bumps.

deltawave
May. 13, 2005, 01:41 PM
I just like Anthony Hopkins movie quotes...hadn't thought to add International Velvet to my repertoire of Silence of the Lambs stuff. What an odd coincidence! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Whenever I'm waiting to start a procedure or something I always say "ready when you are, Sergeant Pembry" and see if the nurse gets it. Most of them know what I'm talking about by now, but the new ones always need to be indoctrinated. (I never do this when the patient is awake, by the way) Sick, definitely sick, but my whole family is obsessed with bizarre movie quotes and "Silence of the Lambs" is a GOLD MINE! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif Now I shall have to adopt some "G-rated" Anthony Hopkins lines.

persefne
May. 13, 2005, 01:42 PM
I'm sure you all know this, but it bears repeating, that is Ginny Leng riding in that scene (jumping the ditch and yelling "Yipee"). Another reason I LOOOVVVEE this movie (she's also the "American girl" who rides the stocky black horse on xc at the Olympics).

Mariequi
May. 13, 2005, 01:47 PM
My favorite scene is when Sarah is schooling Arizona Pie in the front field, and Auntie Velvet comes running down the lane shouting, "Sarah! Sarah!" and waving a letter. Sarah stops jumping her 2'6" vertical and novice sized ditch to hear her aunt say, "They've chosen you!" Sarah responds, "They've what?". When Aunt Velvet shouts, "They've chosen you for the Olympics!" Sarah shouts, "Yippe" and continues her cantering circuit over the 2'6" crossrail and novice sized ditch. A little far fetched...but it STILL gives me goose bumps.

Like Robert Duvall's jumping scenes in Something to Talk About. And Sylvester. Just too off for me to enjoy. When did I get so cynical?

And Tammy, I'll match you quote for quote, just wait.

persefne
May. 13, 2005, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by Mariequi:
And Sylvester. Just too off for me to enjoy. When did I get so cynical?


Oh, you can't diss Sylvester! That's Kim Walnes and The Grey Goose doubling for Melissa Gilbert at Kentucky!!! That movie is the only opportunity I'll ever have to see them in live action (I was too young for the real thing).

Pistol 'n' Me
May. 13, 2005, 02:03 PM
I don't want to put anyone in shock, but I've never seen this movie. I've wanted to see it for YEARS, but have yet to lay my hands on a copy.

What's a girl to do? Why can I find this movie? It sounds fantastic!

I've also never seen Sylvester or Horse in a Gray Flannel Suit or any other classics. But I have seen National Velvet and the Black Stallion.

bornfreenowexpensive
May. 13, 2005, 02:08 PM
Although many of the fall scenes in Sylvester were real. A friend of mine's fall at Chesterland (I think) was used. Of course her fall was on an Advanced course and I think that the movie was only running on Prlem. course.

My fav. is the movie True Lies...the scene with Arnold on the horse jumping through the park and into the water at the hotel! Anyone know whose horse that was--he was cool!

Mariequi
May. 13, 2005, 02:09 PM
Oh, no! Would nevah, nevah, nevah diss Kim and GG. Faves of mine. My prob with Sylvester is that the horse is on the bit, off the bit, looks like one horse, looks like another horse. My most unfave horse movie. Love everyone in it!

Perfect Pony
May. 13, 2005, 02:13 PM
Well thanks to all of you I just went and ordered a video copy of IV and a dvd of Sylvester. Like I needed to spend the money. Can't wait til they get here though!

JER
May. 13, 2005, 02:21 PM
I own the book, movie, and vinyl soundtrack.

Uh, Blugal, the VINYL SOUNDTRACK? That's a rare item, I'm sure. Your obsessions aside, I think International Velvet is one of Francis Lai's best scores, with a very memorable theme. (Francis Lai's a big name in movie composing -- he specializes in romantic fare like Love Story and A Man and a Woman.)

Anthony Hopkins is excellent but I also love Christopher Plummer's performance. Really, really charming.

fanfayre
May. 13, 2005, 02:24 PM
That was always "MY" story! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif
I halfway got there, raising my own foal, and we got to Prelim, but never on a team.
Don't have the movie, although everytime it's on a movie channel, I'll watch it, it's mandatory, like both "Snowy River"s. I do have the book though.
Can't watch Anthony Hopkins in any of the "SotL" movies- wrecks my impression of him as the Captain, although in Zorro I quite enjoyed him. I also had a cavalry officer as an instructor when IV came out, so it REALLY made an impression on me! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

doctormolley
May. 13, 2005, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by Pistol 'n' Me:
I don't want to put anyone in shock, but I've never seen this movie. I've wanted to see it for YEARS, but have yet to lay my hands on a copy.

What's a girl to do? Why can I find this movie? It sounds fantastic!

My sister (persefne) and I used to force our parents to rent International Velvet on a monthly basis when we were kids because our local Blockbuster had a copy of it. I doubt you'd find it for rent anywhere now! I think I bought my copy off of Amazon.com.
My non-horsey boyfriend makes fun of me anytime I mention IV; however, the last time we were watching a horse race together he saw a bay with a star on his forhead and exclaimed "That horse looks like Arizona Pie!". http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Sannois
May. 13, 2005, 02:29 PM
I'm sorry TLE But I am the Movie Quote Queen! I have been famous for quoting movie lines for 20 years, I can quote with the best of them! Makes my husband crazy! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sannois
May. 13, 2005, 02:34 PM
OK Movie Line
Are your Lot worth having a bet on??
There Eventers, not Racehorses.. Dont you know the difference??
Well, no Golfs my game . http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Blugal
May. 13, 2005, 02:35 PM
Yes, JER, a vinyl copy. But what's even more rare, I think, is that my best friend found it in a 2nd hand vinyl store in Saskatchewan. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

(Hello, my name is Blugal, and I own and enjoy a record player, even though it is a relic from my parents' generation.)

AngelEventer
May. 13, 2005, 02:42 PM
How 'bout:

what do you want for lunch charlie?
What's the choice?
there is none
We'll I guess I'll have that then!

AngelEventer
May. 13, 2005, 02:45 PM
oooo How 'bout:

And you're the british secret weapon
So secret I'm not even riding, Roger's got my horse
That's not a british accent
would you believe Cave Creek Arizona?
Ah, so you defected
No, I escaped
But you kept your accent
I kept everything, I don't give anything away!

Perfect Pony
May. 13, 2005, 02:52 PM
Good Lord they have a DVD copy on Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=617&item=6395781269&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Hopefully it's decent quality. I bought some tapes once off ebay and they are so bootleg...

OK, back to your quotes....

AngelEventer
May. 13, 2005, 03:02 PM
They have the Vinyl on E-Bay too! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=306&item=4727160724&rd=1

OOO!!! this looks cool too! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=18827&item=7514586870&rd=1

Its the BARBIE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2387&item=5580303819&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2387&item=5580875273&rd=1

OOO E-Bay is soooo exciting!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (and I have my first E-bay purchase coming... a dressage saddle!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

Sannois
May. 13, 2005, 03:03 PM
Well the first line was the stewardess asking the pilot on the plane about lunch. The other one was Sarah talking to heer future husband, the american rider Scott Saunders ACK I sicken myself I remember this stuff. Maybe this is the kind of thing that will ward off altzheimers. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

AngelEventer
May. 13, 2005, 03:05 PM
LOL!! I LOVE THIS MOVIE! I think a couple more watches & I should be able to recite it from beginning to end!

magnum
May. 13, 2005, 03:05 PM
Yes, JER, a vinyl copy.

Blugal --

ME TOO ME TOO ME TOO!

My hubby got it for me when we were first dating (1989). What a WONDERFUL guy -- he joined an INTERNATIONAL record traders' club for one sole purpose -- to get me the vinyl soundtrack.

Some of the pieces on it are rather "schmarmy" -- but overall, just LOVE it.

Is your record by Francis Lai? Does it have a brown cover, scenes from the movie on the back, and also the 'Metro Goldwyn M" stuff on it? I didn't know there was a BOOK! But, I do have the VHS, of course (also from Hubby).

... SUPERB MOVIE! All the better when Neil told me part of it was filmed at his farm. He told me he really enjoyed having Tatum, her father and the others there. Leave it to Neil ....

My favorite scene/quote: Nanette Newman when she is talking sternly to Tatum for Tatum's claims that she needs a new saddle and she basically accuses Tatum of having an unfounded sense of entitlement regarding the "alleged" need for a new saddle. .... Boy, could every kid in America sure use that speech!

Magnum

Sannois
May. 13, 2005, 03:08 PM
I LOVE Anthony Hopkins in the roll, BUT I too have a hard time watching him in Silence of the Lambs. I Adored him in IV and Zorro, And I believe the movie is called remains of the day with him and Emma Thompson, Marvelous!

Blugal
May. 13, 2005, 03:30 PM
magnum - yes, mine is the brown cover.

Not sure of the exact wording again, but someone will correct me!

"Well, I need a new saddle."
"Saddles don't win medals, you know."
"I never said they did."
"What's wrong with the old saddle?"
"It just isn't good enough."...

"...That crap has paid for everything you have done until now and will probably pay for that saddle you *think* you have to have. So before you go passing moral judgement on others, just remember this: nothing's for free and some people pay more than others!"

annikak
May. 13, 2005, 03:30 PM
"Corner, Corner to Vertical...."

We say that ALL the time to each other!

The THRILL of my life...being at Tony Hills- they trained the horses for the movie (at least some of them) and he did some of the riding. He was the one that helped Velvet back to her feet after her fall...and I watched the movie with him in his living room on our trip to England. (He said that she did an excellent job learning to ride, and got pretty good at the end! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

Glimmerglass
May. 13, 2005, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by Sannois:
And I believe the movie is called Remains of the Day with him and Emma Thompson, Marvelous!

.. which also featured Christopher Reeve in one of last roles prior to his accident.

Classic line from Mr. Stevens, the 2nd (Hopkin's character): "Do you know what I am doing, Miss Kenton? I am placing my mind elsewhere while you chatter away."

fanfayre
May. 13, 2005, 03:53 PM
Blugal;
now that my entry's officially in for MREC(yippee http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif), you may have to swing by and bring your soundtrack so we can play it for inspiration!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif
She's BAAAAA-AACCKKK!

PS- LOVED remains of the Day too! He's so elegant. even if it was a rather dark subject.

Sannois
May. 13, 2005, 03:56 PM
OMG Glimmerglass your right!! I completly forgot he was in it! Sort of bittersweet!

Perfect Pony
May. 13, 2005, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by AngelEventer:
They have the Vinyl on E-Bay too! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=306&item=4727160724&rd=1

OOO!!! this looks cool too! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=18827&item=7514586870&rd=1

Its the BARBIE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2387&item=5580303819&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2387&item=5580875273&rd=1

OOO E-Bay is soooo exciting!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (and I have my first E-bay purchase coming... a dressage saddle!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

AngelEventer you are truely evil....

persefne
May. 13, 2005, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by Mariequi:
My prob with Sylvester is that the horse is on the bit, off the bit, looks like one horse, looks like another horse.

Yeh, I see what you mean now. I think they used about 5 (maybe more) grey horses in that movie, in addition to The Grey Goose.

The other thing about International Velvet vs. Sylvester, in my opinion, is really wretched and I'm sure I'll get kicked in the butt for this, but the whole British eventing scene as opposed to the rough-and-ready ranch horse turned eventer was too much for me. Love IV, Love Sylvester...but International Velvet is really the one that did it for me, in terms of me sitting as a small child in front of the tv, with images of me and my little bay pony making it to the Olympics. She was American and she got to ride on the British team! I kept thinking of ways I could claim my distant British heritage as a way to make me eligible to ride for Britain. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

I, too, own the vinyl soundtrack (found it on ebay). I also have the Barbie (still in its original box). Apparently, there was also an Arizona Pie toy horse to accompany the Sarah Brown doll/Barbie, but I've yet to find him anywhere. I also have an IV wall at home, with full size theater promo poster and 3 lobby cards.

I'm going to embarrass Doctormolley here, but our mom called her one day (middle of the day) and she was watching International Velvet and when she answered the phone she was a little "veklempt." Apparently, my mom caught her right at the scene when "the foal" was born. The one that gets me is the scene where she comes home from school and Velvet tells her to go check for Pie, and it's the foal, and Sarah goes running up the hill and he runs down...and the music...and the slow motion...and...then the montage of them growing up together/riding on the beach/through the woods/hacking in the field...and the music...it's too much. I'm getting emotional just recounting it!

"And I thought I was obsessed, but Sarah rode for dear life. She thought she was the last one in the race if there was anyone else in front of her."

"Oh I say, I say, it's the old Barclay Hunt. You do know you've got a horse between your legs, don't you?"

AngelEventer
May. 13, 2005, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by Perfect Pony:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AngelEventer:
They have the Vinyl on E-Bay too! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=306&item=4727160724&rd=1

OOO!!! this looks cool too! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=18827&item=7514586870&rd=1

Its the BARBIE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2387&item=5580303819&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2387&item=5580875273&rd=1

OOO E-Bay is soooo exciting!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (and I have my first E-bay purchase coming... a dressage saddle!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

AngelEventer you are truely evil.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I try... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif Just ask my parents... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif

slp2
May. 13, 2005, 06:39 PM
OK--I haven't seen IV!! Where can I rent it? Do you think a regular (but well-stocked) video store would have it? Or maybe rent it through Netflix?

Did see Sylvester though. What a hoot! I saw it once before I knew what the heck eventing WAS (BHO - Before Horse Ownership) and then I watched it again after I had evented. Then when I watched it I was busy checking out the size of the jumps (trying to figure out the "real" level she was competing at) and realized how ridiculous her preparation and training for the event was. The dressage test scene is so great. It's soooo obvious when they jump from MG riding to the stunt rider and back again. Now I know who the stunt rider (and horse) is though--thank you!

subk
May. 13, 2005, 06:48 PM
I just love this thread...

I went to see IV in the theater when it first came out with all the other teenaged girls at my barn. I loved it, although my ability to suspend reality was much more remarkable than my pals. I also bought the book and read it about a thousand times. I might even be able to find it...

You guys have pretty much hit all my favorite quotes: "moral superiority," "golf's my game," "British secret weapon," there are a few more really good ones from the coach--but I'm not a Movie Line Girl...

I can't beleive how many times this movie has come to mind in the last few years. Everytime I ride down at J. Graham's in fact! He used old COTH's as "wall paper" in the barn's bathroom. Right there beside the toilet as you're sitting there is a picture from Ledyard(?) of Tatum and Rayn O'Neil doing the "equestrian look" as spectators. I heard they made a pretty adequate rider out of her--someone said she could probably run around a training course when she was done. Anyone know who coached her for the part?

deltawave
May. 13, 2005, 06:51 PM
slp2, I have the video...next time you're out this way we'll do "movie night" instead of watching each other's clinic videos! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Sannois
May. 13, 2005, 07:16 PM
"Your not too bad, for a Cowboy." I will say you did manage to find yourself a promising horse. Give me a Phone Call"! I love that scene, then she slaps Pie on the neck and say Did you hear that?? He's gonna take us!!! Then she canters off and Who hoos and jumps one of the jumps! Just love it! Corney but A seriously wonderful feel good horse movie for the truly horse addicted young and old!
I first saw it with my Aunt who got me into riding as a child, I remember Bawling my eyes out when they had to put the horse down on the plane!
I heard Bill Steinkraus coached her for the movie!

Mariequi
May. 13, 2005, 07:39 PM
That was truly horrible on the plane. The horse on the ferry in The Ring was equally terrible. They just seemed so vulnerable not on the 'ground'.

Opiekanopie
May. 13, 2005, 07:47 PM
This drew my out of lurker mode ...

My favorite quote was the Anthony Hopkins speech that included, "And you will ride for me one day, Sarah. I have promised you that, haven't I."

Plus I LOVE the late '70s music when she starts out on her Olympic X-Country run.

Mr. Opie teases me because of the way I cry like a little girl during "International Velvet." It's almost as bad as when I watch "Dance With Wolves" and Cisco gets hurt ...

aponyclubber
May. 13, 2005, 07:54 PM
This is my favorite movie of all times. My fiance just got it for me for XMas. Ebay is awsome!

It is a shame there are not more movies like this out there!

This movie makes you go out and ride, you can just forgive those mistakes.

Anyone see Racing Stripes? The zebra burpshttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Oh well!

drifting cloud
May. 13, 2005, 08:13 PM
One of my favorite scenes is when Sarah gets home from her first day at the new school:

Sarah - "There was this boy. He had a dead finger in a box."

Velvet - "A what???"

Sarah - "A dead finger."


I also liked when she went to buy Arizona Pie, only to be told he was sold to someone else:

Sarah - "Was it somebody nice who bought him?"

Farmer - "I wouldn't send him anywhere nasty."


I was in middle school the first time I saw IV. It was the night before the first day of school and I stayed up watching it until 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning. It was worth being tired the next day! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif The scene that always makes me cry is The Pie's retirement ceremony when Velvet leads him around in the spotlight and they put flowers around his neck. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

Tiffany01
May. 13, 2005, 10:17 PM
I <333 that movie and i own it.

RHF_cSi
May. 14, 2005, 03:08 AM
I normally stick to my hunter page but I saw this and HAD to stop by oh i LOFF that movie!!
I love National Velvet also even if the book is COMPLETELY different from the movie i love them both anyways!

BritishEventer
May. 14, 2005, 03:39 AM
Funny this thread should come up - I watched IV for about the millionth time just this morning!

It always makes me laugh the "Berkeley Hunt" comment, because I occasionaly hunt with the Berkeley, even keep my horse with the Master's wife, but the Berkeley are are a friendly hunt - it's the Beaufort which are snobby http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

That movie, along with a couple of books, and living in eventing country, was what made me want to event.. and I'm still eventing now, so it's had some serious influence.

LaddiePony
May. 14, 2005, 04:37 AM
I absolutely adore International Velvet. Any idea where I could buy a copy???

Something to Talk About is one of my favorite movies of all time, though..my mom, best friend, and I watch it together all the time (have done so for years...man I was little when we first started watching it, can't believe Mom let me!!) and know it word-for-word by now, hehe. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I think I might have seen Sylvester ages ago but I don't remember anything about it. I'll have to go and rent it, if I can find it anywhere!!!

-Kelsey
*Laddy's girl forever!*

dianad
May. 14, 2005, 09:04 AM
When I saw this years ago, it never occured to me that I would ever know where Cave Creek, Arizona WAS, much less ever drive through it regularly. Life. You never know.

canadianbacon
May. 14, 2005, 11:57 AM
IV is one of my all time favorites... I used to make my parents rent it on a monthly basis too http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

My favorite quote is the one where the Captain is quoting Coubertin at Ledyard. He paraphrases it, but this is the quote it is based on...

"The important thing in the Olympic Games is not winning but taking part. The essential thing in life is not conquering but fighting well"

CB

persefne
May. 14, 2005, 05:59 PM
Kelsey, and others who do not own International Velvet (and heaven knows, you ought to!). Amazon.com has a link to some new and used copies here (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/offer-listing/6301969464/qid=1116118412/sr=1-1/ref=sr_pb_a//002-4612941-5832860?condition=all). I think the cheapest copy is $23 and change, but for purchases of $25+, Amazon usually ships free (don't know if that's the pretax or posttax total). You could also check ebay periodically to see what's for sale on there. For a while, sometime back, I used to search ebay for "International Velvet" all the time. That's how I got my Sarah Brown Barbie, my soundtrack, movie posters, etc. I think I've got enough, now, so until the DVD is released, no more IV purchases for me! Unless, of course, I can find the Arizona Pie horse to match my Sarah doll. How can I have Sarah without Arizona???

Arcadien
May. 14, 2005, 07:46 PM
Okay my contribution! (though I may be a bit inaccurate, here goes)

"Now go put on a party frock... I may not be the youngest one you'll dance with, but I promise you I'll be the safest..."

This from the Captain after he does the "you will ride for me one day, young Sarah,... " thing...

Yep, another addict! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif))

Arcadien

welshcob
May. 14, 2005, 07:50 PM
OK all, just a few years ago when I was a working student in Great Britain http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif, going for my BHS certificate--- I was "loaned" to a friend of the head mistress of our stable to groom for her friend's son who was an extra in the movie.

What an experience!!! I worked when the movie filmed at Windsor for x-c and Hickstead for the showjumping. I wish I could remember more details. There was definitely a lot of partying -- all the grooms only had one horse each to care for, it was a lot of waiting around, spiffing and re-spiffing the horses.

Tatum O'Neal had lessons with Bill Steinkraus (any of us would have killed to get the same luxury). But we were treated very well and very kindly.

Exercising the horses in Windsor Park was an all time thrill of a lifetime!! As was rubbing shoulders with Nigel Taylor, Ginny Leng (her horse was Priceless) Having lunch with Jane Holderness-Roddam....

I always felt sorry for "Pie" as he had to have shoe polish on to cover the extra white on the face...

Thanks for bringing back the memories!

Impromptu
May. 15, 2005, 03:00 AM
Originally posted by BritishEventer:

...it's the Beaufort which are snobby http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif <span class="ev_code_BLUE">*shocked*</span> are not http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Sannois
May. 15, 2005, 03:41 AM
Priceless was in it??? Now I have to get my hands on a copy! I never knew who Ginny Leng was way back then! Havent seen it in years! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BritishEventer
May. 15, 2005, 04:06 AM
Impromptu - I'm just jesting http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Although there was a funny incident a few years ago, when we were in Beaufort country looking at some big coloured cobs for a riding school, and the Tuckwells said as we were talking about a mare "Oh, she's a bit common for the hunting here, but they'll love her in the Berkeley!"

Ibex
May. 15, 2005, 06:08 AM
You people are truly EVIL. Reading this I realized how long it had been since I watched IV and was forced to get the DVD on eBay. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif
(Let's hope it's not TOO horrible a bootleg copy!)

Soon as it comes I think I'm going to make my non-horsie roommates watch it 6 times in a row. And then I'm going to get my copy of the book out of storage and make them read it. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Charisma
May. 15, 2005, 06:45 AM
Oh, one of my fav movies as well!! One of my fav lines

"you aren't going to cry are you?"

I love that scene. I saw that for the first time when I was very little and had been known to cry once or twice in lessons ( I was jumping my pony WAY WAY to big and it scared me!) and after that scene I don't think I ever cried again in a lesson. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

The only part of the movie I really didn't like were the kids in the car chasing the the Pie...

Sannois
May. 15, 2005, 03:24 PM
The rest of that! "Two things I cant stand, bad losers and cryers" http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

fooler
May. 16, 2005, 09:10 AM
Oh My the memories come flooding back. A group of us, we 'adults' and kids, drove 1.5 hours to watch IV when it came out. What a blast! Have watched it several times on tv since & yes to have 'emotional' moments. . .
I really like parts of Sylvester, tho did not appreciate all of the cussing - thought that was wayyyy overdone. However I thought this movie really 'taught' folks about eventing - such as the salute session. Also the issues she had with the water, showed it isn't just hopping up and going. Also 'at the time' going prelim at KHP was a more realistic goal and while she placed, she did not win.
some Other favs - National Velvet, Man from Snowy River (both - cry like a baby when Dan is killed), Smokey, Black Stallion movies (2nd was better, My Friend Flicka and loads of old B&W movies with Walter Brennan - yup really old stuff. Not a 'horse' movie, but one of the main characters is a horse. The Rounders - Henry Fonda and Glen Ford play a couple of aging cowboys who break horses & rodeo when possible. They travel around with a dun colored horse named - Fooler. If you watch the movie, remember the time it was made - some lines very un-pc for today's ears. However the horse is a hoot & steals the movie.

AngelEventer
May. 16, 2005, 01:54 PM
There was a viewing of IV when I got home today... I was very upset, because my sister didn't wait for me to come home & they were already at the awards ceremony! So sad http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif... Maybe I'll watch it tomorrow morning, since I don't have to be at school untile 9:30...

BAC
May. 17, 2005, 10:11 AM
Ginny Leng is not riding Priceless in IV, it is a mare named Abbie, at least according to her autobiography IIRC. At the time Ginny (she was Holgate then) was contemplating leaving the sport but decided, since she had 2 five year old geldings coming along, to keep at it for a while longer. Those five year olds were Priceless and Nightcap and the rest is history.

Blugal
May. 17, 2005, 10:17 AM
Interesting, BAC.

One more from Captain Johnson:
"It reminds me of when I left my first wife. She told me it was either her or the horses. The horses cost less to feed."

persefne
May. 17, 2005, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by AngelEventer:
There was a viewing of IV when I got home today... I was very upset, because my sister didn't wait for me to come home & they were already at the awards ceremony!

I feel for you, AngelEventer. That sounds exactly like something my sister would do/has done to me!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

His Greyness
May. 17, 2005, 10:44 AM
It must be a gender thing. International Velvet made nowhere near the impression on me that it has has on other posters. I was present in the pouring rain at Ledyard 77 when the MGM crews were filming parts of the movie. That's why I tend to refer to it as "Underwater Velvet" and think of it as a drippy movie. If I remember correctly it was one of the last movies made before Anthony Hopkins swore off the bottle.

AngelEventer
May. 17, 2005, 04:50 PM
I "googled" IV... and was reading some of the reviews that people gave it, and lets just say it doesn't seem to have been a well-liked movie! These reviews kind of made me mad... they were so harsh! I love this movie!...

Here's one:



Pan, London, 1978
(price: 60p; 160 pages)


dedication: This novel and the screenplay from which it derives would not have been possible without the inspiration of Enid Bagnold's classic story National Velvet. The author would like to acknowledge his debt and, in homage, dedicate this sequel to Miss Bagnold, with love and admiration.



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The blurb on the back:

International Velvet is the splendid sequel to National Velvet - the classic story that became the memorable film.
Sarah is the niece of Velvet Brown, the heroine of National Velvet. Orphaned by a road crash, Sarah comes unhappily to England to live with her aunt.
Only when she discovers her talent for riding does her sadness fade... and Sarah finds her horse and her ambition - to ride for Britain and win Olympic gold...



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opening lines:
The woman with the unexpected name walked along the edge of the sea at ebb tide under a sky the texture of grease-proof paper, her red trenchcoat the only stab of colour for miles.


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Just in case you found Elizabeth Taylor's 1944 film National Velvet not quite sickly enough, Bryan Forbes unleashed this sequel upon us in 1978. It was much sneered at back when it was released and - if anybody could be bothered to remember it - no doubt it would be now as well, but I have to say it's got some things going for it:

Firstly, the child star is Tatum O'Neal rather than Elizabeth Taylor, and for my money, that's a marginal trade upwards. Secondly, the role played by Taylor as a child is here rendered by Nanette Newman (continuing a long-running association with Forbes that included marriage and had most recently produced The Stepford Wives). Thirdly, the cast list doesn't include Mickey Rooney, which has got to be a plus point for any movie. And finally, the plot is more credible.

Just in case you forgot the original, it involved a 12-year-old girl entering the Grand National, which is both absurd and pointless. (Coincidentally or otherwise, the year before the sequel, Charlotte Brew became the first woman to ride in the race, but she was at least of adult age.) In International Velvet the challenge for our young heroine is to enter the Olympics, which again is stretching credulity - those equestrian events tend to attract mean, no-nonsense competitors like Princess Anne - but at least ties in with the 1970s trend of getting pre-pubescent girls to liven up the Games.

So the film's not as bad as it's made out to be and quite possibly you'd enjoy it if you were a 10-year-old girl. But then you'd hardly be visiting this site, would you?

The book, of course, is completely hopeless, despite being written by Forbes himself and despite the occasional moment:

'I've given myself a choice,' Mike said. 'If Johnson doesn't pick me, I'll either go to Japan and get massaged to death, or else I'll become a Liberal MP. Two foolproof methods of suicide.' (p100)

I wouldn't bother if I were you - read Black Beauty instead.

alabama3870
May. 18, 2005, 01:57 PM
How about this one; "Saddles don't win medals." Or, "I have REAL money, AMERICAN money."

Good stuff.

lizathenag
May. 18, 2005, 02:52 PM
IV is on HBO (or one of those channels) now and then. I just watched it a few months ago.
set your tivos!

4cornersfarm
May. 19, 2005, 09:25 AM
Wasn't Mike Plumb in International Velevet? The part that was filmed at Ledyard? Myabe riding Laurenson? There's certainly somebody who looks an awful lot like Mike wearing his black and yellow colors. I just heard a rumor that Tony Provencher was in it as well, he used to event throughout area 1 but doesn't ride anymore. Anybody know any other local riders who were in it?

mellsmom
May. 19, 2005, 09:33 AM
Tad Coffin did some of the riding in IV

persefne
May. 19, 2005, 10:27 AM
Since the Ledyard section was actually filmed at the event, many of the riders competing at that time are featured (most prominently Bruce in his red/yellow), but also Torrance Watkins, Mike Plumb, a few of the Canadians (Jamie Smart, maybe?) and, yes, Tad Coffin and Bally Cor in the stadium scene.

I think the only "real" riders who were "in" the film (meaning they portrayed actual characters, not just riders used in the footage) were Mary Gordon Watson (she did most of Tatum's stunt/double riding) and Ginny Leng who did the riding for the American girl at the Olympics. I think Richard Meade was also "someone," but I don't know if he did the riding for Scott Saunders or for the British rider Roger. I think it might have been Roger.

Perfect Pony
May. 19, 2005, 02:13 PM
I'm sure you are all going to be so jealous that I just won a mint Sara Brown Barbie Doll on Ebay.

Can someone please tell me wtf I am going to do with a Sara brown Barbie for pete's sake!!?? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

JER
May. 19, 2005, 02:47 PM
I think the only "real" riders who were "in" the film (meaning they portrayed actual characters, not just riders used in the footage) were Mary Gordon Watson (she did most of Tatum's stunt/double riding) and Ginny Leng who did the riding for the American girl at the Olympics.

Real-life rider Sarah Bullen played Beth, the UK team rider who gets sent home from the Olympics (she's Sarah Brown's roommate at the Olympics). Sarah Bullen is the younger sister of real-life British Olympians Jane Holderness-Roddam, Jennie Loriston-Clarke and Michael Bullen, and still competes in the UK. She was the owner/rider of the incredible stallion Rock King who suffered a fatal injury a few years ago.

Sarah Bullen was a fairly successful actor in the 70s and 80s in the UK, then she went back to the eventing world.

LoriO
May. 19, 2005, 10:45 PM
Well, I decided to go look for my copy of the book among my collection and low and behold, I have THREE copies of IV!!! Not sure how I managed that.

Perfect Pony, I almost bid on that on Ebay and decided to behave myself. It was tough but I was able to resist hitting that bid button

Sannois
May. 20, 2005, 04:12 AM
Sooo Can one still get a copy of the Movie in DVD or in VHS?? I feel a need to have it in my horsie collection!! Sylvester?? NO WAY! I was at Rolex during the filming. That movie was just so not real! A stock horse on some ranch out west! ~Sheesh~ http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

LoriO
May. 20, 2005, 04:42 AM
Sannois, lots of copies available on ebay and through Amazon on VHS. I've only seen it on DVD on Ebay so far. Not sure if they are "legit" copies or not.

LisaB
May. 20, 2005, 04:46 AM
Okay, now folks are going to make fun of me. Yes, the parts I love are the riding scenes. Just shut Tatum's fat mouth and it would be great. I thought I also saw Bruce in there at Ledyard. Fantastic x-c rider!
To this day, I replay in my head while in the start box, the Captain yelling 'Come on!' It gets me going.

Badger
May. 20, 2005, 05:01 AM
Man, this thread is a trip down memory lane. When the movie came out, someone arranged to do a Kansas City "premier" and they got about three cadillac convertibles and dressed all us pony clubbers up in our show clothes and hard hats and "paraded" us through town. We sat up on the back seats of the convertibles and did The Beauty Queen Wave (elbow-elbow, wrist-wrist). We did that all the way from the Country Club Plaza out to Wark Parkway Shopping Center where we got to see the "opening" of the movie. It was totally hokey. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif I had totally forgotten about that until this thread. Now I'm going to have to track down a copy of the movie, too. Haven't see it for decades.

War Admiral
May. 20, 2005, 05:08 AM
Originally posted by persefne:
Since the Ledyard section was actually filmed at the event, many of the riders competing at that time are featured (most prominently Bruce in his red/yellow), but also Torrance Watkins, Mike Plumb, a few of the Canadians (Jamie Smart, maybe?) and, yes, Tad Coffin and Bally Cor in the stadium scene.

I think the only "real" riders who were "in" the film (meaning they portrayed actual characters, not just riders used in the footage) were Mary Gordon Watson (she did most of Tatum's stunt/double riding) and Ginny Leng who did the riding for the American girl at the Olympics. I think Richard Meade was also "someone," but I don't know if he did the riding for Scott Saunders or for the British rider Roger. I think it might have been Roger.

Yes, he did the riding for Roger. The rest of this cast of characters is as I remember it too. I was there... And His Greyness is right... BOY was it wet!! They ended up having to write the rain into the film because it was relentless.

But I guess I'm odd, I actually like Sylvester a lot better. Agree that the riding scenes are badly edited, but I've never thought it was as unrealistic as ALL that. Possibly b/c unlike the younger folks here, I had the privilege of actually *seeing* one of those crusty old cavalry guys take a completely green horse and piaffe and passage with it first go. It was my OTTB. I was 11. If you think it can't be done, I'm your witness that it can... Admittedly my jaw was on the FLOOR, b/c I'd never seen riding like that in my life and I never will again!

persefne
May. 20, 2005, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by Perfect Pony:
Can someone please tell me wtf I am going to do with a Sara brown Barbie for pete's sake!!?? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

Um, well...first, you will put it in a place of prominence and think to yourself "oh my gosh, how cool is this that I actually have THE Sarah Brown International Velvet doll (with real-life picture of Sarah and Arizona on the front of the box)." Then, you will eventually put it on a shelf in your spare bedroom beside your show boots and your hunt cap and smile at it as you go in and out of that room every so often (smiling with chagrin because you *still* have not, after 2 years, been able to locate the Arizona Pie doll to make the set complete!). YOU could do this -- or not -- but that's what I did. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I also dally, constantly, with whether or not I should ever actually take it out of the box. Mine is also mint, but I'm not going to be reselling it, so why not take it out? Then again, I did outgrow playing with Barbie years ago (even if it is a Barbie clad in the British eventing team's official uniform). I mentally berate my parents for not buying me the doll 15 years ago when I actually WOULD have played with it!!!

JER, I had totally forgotten that Beth was played by Sarah Bullen. I remember that from Ginny Leng's autobiography because they were friends. Is it just me, but does anyone else think that Emma Winter could have just ridden right off the screen of IV, particularly when she show jumps at the lower-levels in that gorgeous tweed coat and gray/green hunt cap? Don't mind me, I frequently have real-life IV delusions...maybe I've seen the movie one too many times! I actually caught myself talking to my horse in his stall last night while I was brushing him, reminiscent of the scene where Sarah is brushing Arizona at the Olympics and she's telling him that if they don't do well, Velvet is going to ring their necks.

Ok, now back to work...

deltawave
May. 20, 2005, 08:46 AM
Well Sannois, IV is no more "real": you have a spotted, part-draft GELDING that raced in the Grand National with a 14 year old girl in the 1920s siring a horse that went to the Olympics in the late 1970s! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

IV was kind of the original "Training level 3 Day Event" in a way...the XC jumps they show the other competitors jumping were real, but Sarah/Tatum is always jumping these little, tiny Novice jumps. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

However, I love the movie no less, and re-read the book now and then, too.

Going back to my fetish about Anthony Hopkins and Silence of the Lambs: my sister sent me a T-shirt yesterday with a picture of Buffalo Bill and "Precious" that says "IT PUTS THE LOTION IN THE BASKET" http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif My sister understands me PERFECTLY! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

LoriO
May. 20, 2005, 12:35 PM
Found this on Ebay today. Claims it is the Kenner Toys, Arizona Pie. The pictures are terrible so it's hard to tell.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1341&item=7157336106&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

persefne
May. 20, 2005, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by LoriO:
Found this on Ebay today. Claims it is the Kenner Toys, Arizona Pie. The pictures are terrible so it's hard to tell.


Oh my lordy, it may very well be. But, it's not in the box. It does, though, have the right "accessories" and it is a bay with a big white star. But $24.99? I don't know! I just bought a pair of the Platinum full-seats on tackoftheday, or I'd bid that amount right now!! I really think it's one of y'all who know how desperate I am to find that doll and you're trying to unload an old toy horse on me! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I don't know, I've been looking, and I'm so tempted...Wish I really knew if it was the "real thing" or not, but LoriO is right, the pictures are bad.

Sannois
May. 20, 2005, 03:37 PM
Cant help it Lynn, Sylvester was too badly produced and cornballish for my taste! At least with IV they brough out alot of big guns! Dont get me wrong, I would still watch Sylvester. Since I was there I used to scan the crowds to spot myself. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LoriO
May. 20, 2005, 09:35 PM
Originally posted by persefne:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LoriO:
Found this on Ebay today. Claims it is the Kenner Toys, Arizona Pie. The pictures are terrible so it's hard to tell.


Oh my lordy, it may very well be. But, it's not in the box. It does, though, have the right "accessories" and it is a bay with a big white star. But $24.99? I don't know! I just bought a pair of the Platinum full-seats on tackoftheday, or I'd bid that amount right now!! I really think it's one of y'all who know how desperate I am to find that doll and you're trying to unload an old toy horse on me! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I don't know, I've been looking, and I'm so tempted...Wish I really knew if it was the "real thing" or not, but LoriO is right, the pictures are bad. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Try sending the seller a question and see if she could take some better pictures? It's worth a shot to ask.

persefne
May. 22, 2005, 11:35 AM
Ok, it IS the actual Kenner Arizona Pie doll (I did a little research and found a picture of it in the box on another web site), but this one is $24.99, with NO BOX. I can't decide! If I go ahead and get this one, I've spent $24.99+shipping on a less than mint collectible. But, if I hold out, I might not ever get it at all! Decisions, decisions...

LoriO
May. 22, 2005, 02:02 PM
If there is any doubt as to the condition and whatnot then don't bid on it. I agree the price does seem a little high for it.

Try placing a post on Ebay's Want It Now board. http://pages.ebay.com/wantitnow/
Maybe someone will have one and let you know

kcooper
May. 23, 2005, 10:46 AM
This is so funny - just had a conversation with friends last night over dinner about childhood movies and their influences. I was trying to explain how Tatum O'Neil's metamorphous from the Bad News Bears to International Velvet seemed to track my own childhood (minus an actual trip to the Olympics of course!) . . . but no one else got it! Obviously, I was just talking to the wrong crowd.

Perfect Pony
May. 24, 2005, 01:23 PM
Ijust have to say that I watched my new copy of IV this morning and cried through it like a little baby http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

I still just absolutely love this movie. I remember being 9 years old and wishing my parents would die so I could go live with some long lost relative living in England...

sumatra
May. 24, 2005, 07:08 PM
Footage of me (at Ledyard ) amazingling enough was not left on the cutting room floor and also went to the premiere at Kennedy Center(DC)............dating myself????????????

persefne
May. 24, 2005, 07:23 PM
Oh my gosh! Ok, since the footage WASN'T cut, where are you in the movie? You weren't the rider on the cute roan who jumps the coffin with no stirrups??? Hope you weren't one of the ones who "didn't get round." http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

sumatra
May. 24, 2005, 07:54 PM
got round wearing red and white stripes, blugal knows who i am.........

persefne
May. 24, 2005, 08:01 PM
Alright, so I just ran to my VCR to look for the footage and I realized that the rider of the roan/dun has a beard...so it's not Sumatra. Were you the Canadian rider on the chestnut they showed jumping the big table, then the line from the rock wall/rail to the downhill oxer? I seem to remember another poster "outted" you on another forum, so I was looking for your red/white striped rugby and Maple leaf helmet cover. Am I right?

fanfayre
May. 24, 2005, 10:14 PM
Oh, now, please, please excuse me if I'm waaay Off base, but as I recall, "Sumatra" was a CB/TB cross, ridden by J**** *****. However, I always thought she was a grey, but her colour was never disclosed in "Cleveland Bay Horses" by Anthony Williams, and I can't find it to check. I was always excited to read that, as my mare is a grey CB/TB cross who events. Pleased to "meet" you, Sumatra!

Reynard Ridge
May. 25, 2005, 03:59 AM
Ah, if I EVER get my tv/vcr/dvd back from the Amish Men (long story - they live here while they are working on the barn - there is only one tv between the two houses, and, well, if you read the $700 Wolf Teeth story, you must know that I would give my only tv to the Amish Men - I mean, I gave them my only bathroom) -

But I digress. Greatly.

The point was, if I EVER get my tv/vct/dvd back from the Amish Men, I will RUN (not walk) RUN out to find a copy of IV! I don't think I've seen it in 20 years and sure sounds like it warrants a re-watch.

sumatra
May. 25, 2005, 06:09 AM
yes, Sumatra was a grey mare CB/TB cross born and raised in Calgary. I was riding Jones in IV and that is me that you saw......

Perfect Pony
May. 25, 2005, 02:13 PM
So I watched BOTH Sylvester and IV this morning. sumatra, very nice ride btw!

I must say, it took everything within me to watch Sylvester. It was horrid. The acting and writing terrible. While I can believe that a ranch horse could make it to Rolex at the prelim level, the way it went down in the time period? Ridiculous! The editing and much of the riding was terrible. It was just hard to sit through.

After watching IV again for the millionth time, I still just absolutely adore the movie. It so well done for how cheesy it is.

BTW the DVD on ebay is a bootleg copy, decent video quality.

Blugal
May. 25, 2005, 02:29 PM
sumatra,
I also love the picture of you going over a huge brush oxer in Jimmy Wofford's book, an "object lesson".
I think I saw your name in recent results but not sure... are you still cruising around the courses?
No, I'm not stalking you, just love having such a great diversity of people on the COTH boards!

sumatra
May. 25, 2005, 06:27 PM
yes, still at it and thanks for noticing......

fanfayre
May. 25, 2005, 08:58 PM
Totally cool!! I too saw your name on the results, and thought how great that you're still at this great game!
Calgary is where my mare's sire arrived after he was imported from England, but I doubt that it was the same farm or the same people. Harrington Majestic was his name.
I can't find IV anywhere around here http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif, but I do live in "ruralsville", so it's not too surprising. I may have to run into the big city of Nanaimo to actually find a copy if I'm lucky. I'm too "thrifty" (aka BROKE) to buy a copy, and I don't have a DVD either.
Blugal, you'll have to bring your book to show me at Maple Ridge next weekend if you're going to be there!

Regal Grace
Aug. 10, 2006, 08:14 PM
I just happen to come across this old thread. What a trip down memory lane. I never knew what Eventing was until I saw IV. I have not seen the movie in a ages. I must confess at the time of its release, besides wanting to see a horsey movie I also had a crush on Anthony Hopkins. Not that many teen age girls my age knew who he was at that time but I was always watching a lot PBS & BBC stuff that made it's way to American TV back then. Still have a weakness for the English, Scots and Irish fellas ; )

Just for kicks here is the movie poster....it's so 1970's!!!!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077743/posters
Movie Poster Tagline: "In every girl is the woman she is destined to become.....and in every woman is the girl she used to be."

Corny and some would say cheesy. Maybe so. But that's what so great about it because it brings back a lot of good memories from those days. I definintely have to track down a copy of IV to watch again.

Event4Life
Aug. 10, 2006, 09:17 PM
International Velvet is my favorite movie of all time, horsey or not. I don't care how corny it is, I LOVE it. I always get a little teary eyed at the scenes where she's galloping on the beach, and the Devon Countryside is gorgeous. Too many Americans go to England and only see London...they miss out on the best parts! My facebook status is currently "wishing I was still in England", and that has just compounded times a million after reading this thread...

I must find a DVD copy of IV. I have the VHS copy, but we no longer have a VCR that works. Damn.

OMG...I just found my VHS copy. I wonder whose house I can crash tomorrow to watch it? hmmmm...

bounce
Aug. 11, 2006, 07:54 AM
Just re- watched it a few weeks ago, while away at a competition! It is so "motivating"! :yes: That movie and the book "A Very Young Rider" are, I think, the true reason for my love of horses :D

snoopy
Aug. 11, 2006, 08:09 AM
I think, sadly, that I have everyone beat on this one. It is because of this movie that I began eventing in 1980, it is because of this movie that my first crush was Tatum Oneal, it is because of this movie that I have made life long friends in the eventing world, it is because of this movie that I went to the UK to live (and event), it is because of this movie that I actually visited the Fleet Estate in Devon...I went up to the door and explained my rather odd pilgrimage and the owners were kind enough to let me wonder the grounds!!! I still watch it to this day and not only can I quote the film but also most of the chapters of my very worn book. Call it what you will but this film/book has made an impression on so many of us. I for one am actually proud to "come out" and say I LOVED THIS FILM/BOOK!!:lol:

AngelEventer
Aug. 11, 2006, 09:01 AM
I sooooo love this movie - as you can see from previous posts. I REALLY want to get it on DVD so that I can take it to college with me! I still try and get my horse's manes to imitate her horse's mane in the scene where the aunt comes runnning down the road screaming "It's here! They've chosen you! They've chosen you for the olympics" and sara "Yippee's" and gallops off on her horse - I love his mane in that scene!

Regal Grace
Aug. 11, 2006, 09:34 AM
Went to Amazon to see if I could purchase a DVD. Uuuugh still VHS!!!!! If you read the customer reviews...people have been asking for a DVD since 2004 and it still remains only in VHS format. The only way I think you could push the process along is to contact an equine retailers such as Horse Channel, Dover, etc that carry horse related DVD's and let them know there is a market out there that wants to buy it in a DVD format especially since VHS is being phased out.

Ibex
Aug. 11, 2006, 10:09 AM
I was able to get an [ahem] bootleg DVD copy of IV off of eBay.

When I was about nine my grandmother bought me a box of horse books from a garage sale. Until then I had the usual little kid dreams of Spruce Meadows, but when I got this box of books it changed. There was IV, a book called "The Five Circles" about the 1956 Canadian Team (told from the perspective of the horse, obviously), and a stack of British books, all with eventing or PC storylines. That was it! I've wanted to event ever since.

Regal Grace
Aug. 11, 2006, 10:45 AM
In searching for DVD, sound track, movie poster for "IV" I came across this movie poster for the French release of "IV" which was renamed "Sarah"

http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/catalog/soundtrackdetail.php?movieid=8062#labels

Interesting that if you used this movie poster today it would not look dated at all.

I did come across some U.K. video stores that will convert their VHS copy of "IV" to DVD. I am not sure it's worth taking a chance. It does not have to be perfect but I don't want to pay money for a crappy copy job. If anyone has had experience with a good DVD copy, let me know if it's worth taking a chance. The only CD I see for the movie soundtrack was released in Japan of all places???

TheOtherHorse
Aug. 11, 2006, 11:26 AM
Well, last week I ordered a bootleg copy from http://www.ioffer.com/i/International-Velvet-1978-Tatum-O-Neal-Anthony-Hopkins-12674877 for only $15! MUCH less expensive than other bootlegs I found when searching. It should arrive any day now; I'll let you know how the quality is after I watch it! The seller stated that it is like VHS quality, but on a dvd for convenience... We'll see...

Regal Grace
Aug. 11, 2006, 12:04 PM
Go figure why people still have to search for a bootleg of "IV" in DVD when you have "Sylvester" and '"he Horse in the Grey Flannel Suit" on DVD already.

LE
Aug. 11, 2006, 01:20 PM
Raises hand.
I have the movie, vinyl record and book. This was the movie that made me want to event!!! :D I love this movie, and funnily enough, it ages well! Although yes, there are many inaccuracies, but it's not as bad as "Something to Talk about'. That movie was just BRUTALLY wrong in regards to horses.

I also LOVe Sylvester!!!

I'm dying to get IV on DVD. I'm still trying to locate Phar LAp in the USA on DVD...so far, any place I find is in Europe, and won't play on my DVD player :(

LE
Aug. 11, 2006, 01:33 PM
sumatra! You were in IV??? Did you get any $$ from your use of you at Ledyard, or is that 'public' domain as it was aired on TV? I vividly remember seeing a rider in red and white stripes, and I thought it was Bruce Davidson Sr(he's in there, along with Mike Plumb, Karen Stives, Ginny Leng, Torrance Watkins(Fleichman),and a bevvy of others that I'm blanking on)

I have to say, they did a great editing job between Tatum O'Neal(who DID learn to ride JUST for that film, and was told she was a natural. I have Ms O'Neal's autobiography and she recounts the top coaches she had to train for this film) and the riding double they used.

I was just thinking of watching this movie last night, before reading this thread! Now I HAVE to watch it! :D

God, trip down nostaliga lane. I loved this movie SO much, I actually taped it on AUDIO cassette, as in the 70s, we didn't have VCRs. Then, I'd play it on my tape recorder. :D I would have been 9/10 I guess? I loved the music and it inspired me so much! I always wanted to ride a bay horse in my lessons :D

snoopy
Aug. 11, 2006, 07:39 PM
Oh my god!!!! I taped it on audio as well!!! I thought I was the only one to have done that. I remember feeling rather desperate when it was shown for the last time on HBO. I used to write to them to ask them to re-run it and every month was disappointed when the HBO guide arrived in the post only to find it was not on the schedule.:winkgrin:

Lucky Duck
Aug. 11, 2006, 07:59 PM
And Tony Hill. :yes:

CookiePony
Aug. 11, 2006, 08:00 PM
I had the IV doll as a kid-- totally trashed it and now I'm wishing I hadn't because it would get $$ on eBay! :no:

I have only see the movie once, many many years ago. I have been waiting for it to come out on DVD and the VHS has been on my Amazon wishlist since 2001.

I got Sylvester from Netflix last year. I had also watched it when very young (in the mid 80s when it came out!). The riding in it seemed so much better to me then... except for Kim and the Grey Goose, of course!

AmberWriter
Aug. 14, 2006, 09:54 AM
I love this movie! And Sylvester, for all its sentimentality. It's great to know that there are so many other fans out there. Kind of obvious perhaps that the eventers would all be into it, but so many mainstream moviewatchers haven't even heard of these "Eventer Cult Classics"!

ottb dressage
Aug. 14, 2006, 10:28 AM
i loved that movie!!!!

Regal Grace
Aug. 14, 2006, 12:24 PM
InEvent4Life.....
"Iternational Velvet is my favorite movie of all time, horsey or not. I don't care how corny it is, I LOVE it. I always get a little teary eyed at the scenes where she's galloping on the beach, and the Devon Countryside is gorgeous. Too many Americans go to England and only see London...they miss out on the best parts! My facebook status is currently "wishing I was still in England", and that has just compounded times a million after reading this thread..."


As I said earlier, it's the nostalgia "IV" invokes from my youth that made coming across this thread so special and knowing there were other people out there that felt the same. Also I was able as an adult fulfill my dream as a teenager inspired by "IV" to go to England and Ireland horseback riding on the beaches and accross the moors. It's fun to see there is still memorabilia from the "IV" (movie posters, photos, books, etc) out there. Gosh you think if Tatum O'Neal, Anthony Hopkins and Christoper Plummer read this, they would think we were a bunch of nutters?

The irony is I think it's a movie that at least Chris P. and A.Hopkins would rather forget they made. They really should not though, because it tapped into a lot of horse crazed girls youth and still reasonates into adulthood. Yes some of the movie reviews were mixed but "IV" certainly was not a bomb and the cynical newspapers of NYC gave it a "Thumbs Up" : )

"Has more than its share of moments, almost all of them centering on the immensely appealing Tatum O'Neal. She seems to possess the sort of infinitely adaptable personality that film directors dream of. INTERNATIONAL VELVET sneaks up on you in unexpected ways."

—Vincent Canby, NEW YORK TIMES

"A worthy successor to the original 1944 inspiration. Anthony Hopkins' acerbic wit provides the stern backbone for the gentleman's code of competition. Forbes has concocted some of the best sports footage in years."

—Tom Allen, VILLAGE VOICE

Maybe next Rolex 2007...."IV Lovers Clique" should meet one day at the Trade Fair bar for quick drink for old times sake ; )

BigRuss1996
Aug. 14, 2006, 05:10 PM
I agree....and I AM old enough to have been lucky enough to see him
(Goose) in person at the tail end of his career. I also was at Rolex the year he retired there.... there wasn't a dry eye in the place. He was one of the most amazing horses of his time, and very special. He had a black pony who traveled everywhere with him. I am glad he is forever preserved in a movie even if it isn't at his best.



Oh, you can't diss Sylvester! That's Kim Walnes and The Grey Goose doubling for Melissa Gilbert at Kentucky!!! That movie is the only opportunity I'll ever have to see them in live action (I was too young for the real thing).

Sandy M
Aug. 14, 2006, 05:55 PM
Like Robert Duvall's jumping scenes in Something to Talk About. And Sylvester. Just too off for me to enjoy. When did I get so cynical?

And Tammy, I'll match you quote for quote, just wait.

I'm with you. The Pie - Mr. _P________'s chestnut gelding becomes a 32 year old (dating from orig. movie) STALLION? Do they do THAT kind of sex change operation!!?!?

The kid is 13 or 14 when she arrives in England. The foal is born later that year.... but when she's 18, the colt -which would be four years old - is schooled to advanced and readyto compete in the Olympics?

They use the LEAST experienced rider to ride the anchor leg?

The rules at the time prohibited anyone handing her her whip - but that's just what they did after the fall - ELIMINATING her.

Just can't get past that stuff.

Sylvester's flight's of fancy (I'll excuse the advanced level dressage for a preliminary competitior) could have been easily fixed: All they needed to do was present a montage of a couple of horse-trials competition through which she QUALIFIED to do a full 3-day at Rolex. But no - she goes into it as her FIRST competition - which would have been against the rules. For sheer silliness though, I sure do love the TB/Mutt morphing into a passaging, piaffeing Andalusian in the moonlight. Melissa Gilbert said she enjoyed riding the little Appy more than she did "Sylvester."