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sunnycher
May. 21, 2010, 10:15 PM
I was just watching the 2008 Royal Light Hunter class on TV. Can someone explain that to me. I know it's a class fashioned after fox-hunting, which is the origin of all 'hunter' classes. But, they kept saying this was a qualifier for the 'horse of the year' show in England.

Many did simple changes, the riding was interesting, the horses make my draft x look small. It was fun to watch, just curious about it, because it didn't resemble any shows I've ever seen.???

Are they hunt horses in a special class just for them. The fences were all natural 3'6 to 3'9, so not small.

Larksmom
May. 27, 2010, 12:49 AM
yo have a pm

sunnycher
May. 27, 2010, 11:50 PM
So fun to watch the BIG horses jump around. I have draft crosses, so I thoroughly enjoyed it.

copper1
May. 28, 2010, 08:10 AM
I showed working hunter when I lived over their a number of years ago and it was quite different! The hunter division over there (then, not sure how much it ahs changed) consisted of the light, middle, and heavy weight, ladies, and novice which all showed w/t/c/gallop, ONE direction. Judge calls them into line as he liked them. Then judge RIDES each one and them the horses are stripped and judged on conformation. Riders remount and walk around and then are called in in the order of finish. Working hunters jump a course first which is usually very natural and done at a decent hunting pace. Then they all come back and do the flat work same as the other hunters. Winner is the one that has the best scores in all the phases but the jumping counts the most. Working hunters were the poor cousin in those days and one could get by with less than perfect conformation. I am sure it has evolved somewhat but since the jumping counts the most, small things don't count as much. Younger horses definetly had the advantage then as well.
Many of the top show horses also hunt and were, maybe still are TB or TB crosses and BIG! Even the lightweights were large as most English TBs tend to have more substance than the American TB. More than one show ring winner went on to a carrer in racing over fences.

Melissa.Van Doren
May. 28, 2010, 09:21 AM
I've been having fun watching, too. Interesting differences... some of the things I've noticed: running martingales and flash cavessons... boots allowed on the horses... way of going and jumping definitely more jumper-like... GREAT natural fences with little in the way of ground lines, if any at all... tails pulled at the top and banged at the bottom... no or barely-there dark-colored saddle pads... double bridles... the need to present yourself to the judges (standing in the center of the ring) and wait for permission to begin the round... scoring (40 points for jumping accuracy, 20 more divided between jumping style and presentation/presence of horse), then more points to be gained/lost for rider turnout in the flat and conformation phase. And yes! cool to see the Riding Judge! individually test each horse at w/t/c, a simple change and a hand gallop.

Are the "lightweight" "heavyweight" divisions about the horse or the rider?

Good fun!

Equibrit
May. 28, 2010, 09:31 AM
Information can be found here; http://www.theshowring.co.uk/hunters.php

http://www.britishshowhorse.org/

sunnycher
May. 28, 2010, 10:09 AM
Last night I watched the heavyweight hunters, and though the horses looked even bigger, the light vs heavy has to do with rider weight. The cut off is 13 stone 7, around 187 lbs. Heavywts carry more than that, light wts carry less. Now that you mention it they do only travel around in one direction for the most part, and aren't too worried about flying chances, even pace, etc. More jumper-y in style.

Equibrit
May. 28, 2010, 12:26 PM
http://www.sporthorsegb.co.uk/


i)RIDDEN HUNTER CLASSES
‘Lightweight’ Mare or gelding, 4 years old or over, capable of carrying up to 79.5kgs (12 stone7lbs
'Middleweight’ Mare or gelding, 4 years old or over, capable of carrying 79.5kgs (12stone7lbs) and not exceeding 89kgs (14 stone
‘Heavyweight’ Mare or gelding, 4 years old or over, capable of carrying over 89kgs (14 stone)
Where only two classes are scheduled
‘Lightweight’ Mare or gelding, 4 years old or over, capable of carrying 82.7kgs (13 stone) and under
Heavyweight’ Mare or gelding, 4 years old or over, capable of carrying over 82.7kgs (13stone)
FOUR-YEAR-OLD HUNTERS
They must not be galloped as a class and they must change the rein

j) LADIES HUNTERS Mare or gelding four years old or over, to be ridden by a lady side-saddle. Judges for this class are to be chosen from the Society’s list of ladies recommended to judge side-saddle classes
k) NOVICE HUNTERS Mare or gelding four years old and over, not having won a first prize of £60 or a total of £200 (or equivalent values) in prize money in any SHB(GB) affiliated Hunter Classes at home or abroad, before 1st January in the current year, excepting all prizemoney awarded as a four year old. This does not apply to NoviceWorking Hunter Classes. Any horse that qualifies for Horse of the Year Show in a Ridden Hunter Class (not including Working Hunter Classes) will not be eligible to compete in Novice classes from 1st January the following year, but horses that qualified for HOYS as a 4 year old are exempt
l) NOVICEWORKING HUNTER A mare or gelding four years old and over not to have won a total of £200, excluding championship prize money, (or equivalent values) in prize money in any SHB(GB) affiliated Working Hunter Class, or more than 25 BE points or £200 BSJA Showjumping at home or equivalent abroad before 1st January in the relevant year. Fences in Novice Working Hunter classes should have a minimum height of 0.85m (2’9”) and a maximum height of 1.00m (3’3)
m) RESTRICTED OPEN WORKING HUNTER - A mare or gelding four years old and over not to have won a total of £400, excluding championship prize money, (or equivalent values) in prize money in any Working Hunter class, or more than 45 BE points or £400 BSJA Show Jumping, at home or equivalent abroad before 1st January in the relevant year. Maximum height of fences 3’6” (1.07m)
n) WORKING HUNTER A mare or gelding four years old and over exceeding 148cm (14.2hh approx) to be judged in accordance with the rules herein set out. Grade A Show-jumpers and Advanced Event horses are not eligible to compete in these Classes. Any horse which has qualified as a Grade A Show Jumper or Advanced Event Horse as at 1st January in the current year is not eligible to compete in Working Hunter classes To be judged 60% for jumping performance, 40% as for Hunter Classes. The jumping to be judged 40% for actual jumping and 20% style and presence. Ride and conformation 40% Fences to be a minimum of 8 and a maximum of 12 in number and a maximum height of 1.14m (3ft 9ins) at the discretion of the Judges. Fences should have a natural appearance and not be easily dislodged. No un-numbered obstacle can be included in the course. The manner of going to be taken into account. No change of rider or tack will be allowed (unless a horse is ridden under side-saddle, in which case, in order to allow the judge to ride, the saddle may be changed for the riding phase only). A rider can ride up to two horses in the jumping phase but then must select only one horse to take forward into the ride and conformation section if so required (no change of rider is allowed). A skull cap or hat and safety harness according to the current approved BSI or European Standard must be worn by ALL competitors in the jumping phase of Working Hunter Classes. Skull caps must have a navy blue or black cover. No hind boots or bandages of any description are allowed in the collecting ring, warm up or in the actual class. On completion of the jumping phase all clear rounds and any other horses the judges may require should be asked to return to the ring. If a horse positively stops, ceases to go forwards at any time during its jumping round, or turns its quarters to a fence, or has a complete turnaround these constitute refusals. If a horse jumps the incorrect fence out of a pen or lane it will be eliminated. Horses displaying continued disobedience, or horses leaving the ring whether mounted or dismounted will be eliminated
Penalties
First Refusal 15
Second Refusal 20
Third Refusal Elimination
Jumping Knockdown 10 (BSJA Rules apply for the definition of a knockdown)
Fall of Horse or Rider Elimination

Where there are two classes scheduled, the division of weights should be;
Lightweight Mare or gelding, 4 years old or over, capable of carrying 13 stone and under
Heavyweight Mare or gelding, 4 years old or over, capable of carrying over 13 stone
Horses with minus scores will not be required for the second phase of the class
If Shows wish, in order to save time, they can use two Judges, one of whom would judge the conformation and need not necessarily be on the Ridden Hunter Panel. It is suggested that the Judge of the Hunter Breeding Classes be asked to judge the conformation of the Working Hunter Class while the other Judge is judging the ride. Horses must not be ridden by the Judge in the same ring and at the same time as other horses are jumping. Suitable fences of natural appearance must be available. Judges will not jump horses in Working Hunter Classes where there is a separate Judge for the conformation, marks should be divided equally, ie
Judge A Ride 20%
Judge B Conformation 20%
In the event of a tie in marks, the conformation mark will take precedence, followed by the style mark.
Judges should satisfy themselves that the course and fences are in keeping with the Society’s recommendations, and Shows should allow time for this.Working Hunter courses are not to be walked by competitors until the judge has given permission. There must be a change of course between Novice, Restricted Open and Open Working Hunter classes
WORKING HUNTER CHAMPIONSHIPS
In Working Hunter Championships jumping marks should be taken into consideration

o) AMATEUR WORKING HUNTER CLASSES
These classes will be run under the Society’s Amateur rules and judged the same as the Working Hunter Classes but fences will not exceed 3’ 6” (1.07m
p) SMALL HUNTER
Any mare or gelding, 4 years old or over exceeding 148 cm (14.2hh approx but not exceeding 158 cm (15.2hh approx). A horse, which is registered as a Small Hunter cannot compete in an Open Weight Class. When registering on the current Show Hunter Register, a current Joint Measurement Board Height Certificate must be forwarded with the application. Judges are not empowered to question the height of a Registered Small Hunter
q) SMALL HUNTER YOUNGSTOCK
Any colt, gelding or filly estimated not to reach over 158 cm (15.2hh approx) at maturity