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mvp
May. 16, 2010, 09:58 AM
This is about all you long-femured types saying your knee comes off the front of the flap. So pony up with the pics, please? Or show me a saddle you think really doesn't fit you in the flap section?

Here's the issue. The pictures of GM Himself on the luscious gray hunter and the newest monoflap Butet a while back in Practical Horsemen (we discussed it ad nauseum here) plus plenty o' pics in that rag show string-bean pros with their knees and thighs mighty close to the front of the flap.

I write as a jealous, butt-owning shorty. I think it's easier to balance in the two point in a saddle that's a 1/2 inch too small rather than a 1/2" to large in the seat. I suspect that the tall lanky types are getting a better deal from their saddles' geometry than are people built like me. I also suspect that some of them buy a saddle that's technically a tad too small. They dig it, but the horse might prefer with a saddle that had a greater surface area.

Hence, the cut of the flap versus length of thigh matters. Other things matter too-- is the horse wide or narrow, a push-ride or a whoa-ride.

But start with the basics. Show and tell about saddles that help and hinder so we can all learn about saddles and rider fit.

mortebella
May. 16, 2010, 12:49 PM
I'll play! And believe me, after looking at these, any butt-owning shorty with decent EQ will be glad to keep their physique and skills in lieu of my 18" femur. (Also, that leg doesn't make me not a shorty, I'm a whopping 5'4.)

http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f296/cocreate/for%20mvp/

That said horse and I are always happier no matter the saddle if I take the stirrups off. That's just not legal :)

Hopefully you can ignore enough of the "proof" stamp on these to see the issues. Oh, hell, if you needed braille you could figure out the issues with these. (No offense to anyone.) Also I hope everyone can figure my horse is WAY nice when he's properly ridden. :p

December
May. 16, 2010, 01:28 PM
Well, I am 5'5" and have an Antares 17". My leg is on the short side and I am also butt-owning! The flap fits quite well, but I do feel a little cramped in the seat. Can't seem to find a saddle that fits me well at all. If the seat is large enough, the flaps are in another county. If the flaps fit, the seat is too small. Also have a 17 1/2" County Stabilizer that doesn't fit in the flap (too big) or the seat(too big). Sighhhh....

Whisper
May. 16, 2010, 01:38 PM
I'm a hair under 5'5" and my femur is 19" long. I rode a 13.1 hand Welsh/Arab mare (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2322/2159171149_0258ee8a57.jpg) in a 16 1/2" saddle, and my knees did go a little over the front of the flap. I'm wearing 2 fluffy sweaters under my eventing vest, so I look even more wedged in there than I actually was. This saddle (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3630/3673379492_47d3390b97.jpg) and this one (http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1218/1179448578_4f28ebf105.jpg) gave me more room.

SkipChange
May. 16, 2010, 01:42 PM
This picture is awkward but shows my knee mighty close to the front of the flap http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-sjc1/hs036.snc3/12400_1262425242743_1293060230_30697264_2090443_n. jpg
And standing still
http://hphotos-sjc1.fbcdn.net/hs036.snc3/12400_1262418442573_1293060230_30697227_1054085_n. jpg

Here's a video too
http://www.youtube.com/user/saygill

I'm 5'2" and saddle is a 16" Beval Gladstone. Saddle is way too narrow for my poor horse who is a bit light for a WB but is still quite wide. He's got a 'you better hold on' jump, particularly over biger stuff. I ride with my stirrups habitually too short although I let them out 2 holes yesterday :D (we'll see how long that lasts). I don't mind if the seat is a smidge small, heck I adore my 15" pony saddle, but I really dislike swimming in a massive seat.
The horse is can be fresh but is a kick ride, don't forget your spurs unless you really want a workout.

Also...the stirrup bars on my saddle are uneven--no matter what stirrup leathers I use, the leather placed on the right bar must be adjusted 2 holes shorter :no: pretty sure I need to kick this saddle to the curb even though it's only a year old. I don't think I need something in a specially cut forward flap...just something a bit more forward than this one.

ETA: For reference here's a picture of me in 17" (maybe 17.5") Dover circuit (one of the really old ones). This flap was too large and I didn't particularly where my knee sat on this one either.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v213/233/87/1293060230/n1293060230_30111815_321.jpg

doublesstable
May. 16, 2010, 11:09 PM
I want to know too! I posted about saddle fit some time ago and I am still confused.

I ened up buying the saddle because it was comforatble and pretty reasonably priced....

I am 5'8" and have a longer leg... not a string bean... older gal w/ five kiddies... Yes, things change...

I have ridden in many saddles over the years trying to find something that I like and fits my round horse. I like a narrow twist, flatter seat, a saddle that puts me closer to the withers (front of horse), leg at girth and well under me, straighter flap and a thigh block/knee roll for added security. I like this saddle because its seat is wide from side to side and gives me a nice level area for my (large) spread out seat bones...:lol:

However, from the side when just sitting, I feel my "trailer" (butt cheeks) hang off the saddle... but I see other riders that have this too....

So yeah... I would love to hear what others think. Here is another picture of the saddle:

Jumping:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r249/buddycloudy/Horsepictures2010704.jpg

Flat:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r249/buddycloudy/Horsepictures2010653.jpg

Older saddle w/ no knee roll... and slippery as heck:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r249/buddycloudy/15533_363315435057_744885057_999056.jpg

billiebob
May. 16, 2010, 11:16 PM
Well, I'm not a stringbean but I am tall and have long thighs. I don't think I've ever ridden in a saddle that properly fits, although this one was close. It's a 17.5 Bates Elevation J. I would still own it but it doesn't fit my horse. I hope the link works. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=8200905&l=02faf133d3&id=751565037

My saddle is a 17 or 17.5 old Crosby Soft Ride. The kind that doesn't really have a knee roll, just some extra padding. Good thing because it's a little too small in the seat and in the flap for me. It fits my horse beautifully. Sorry, I don't have any pictures to share.

I don't mind riding in a saddle that's a little too small as long as the knee rolls don't get in the way. I've learned to adapt. Actually, the first time I rode in the Bates I thought "so THIS is what it's like to ride in a saddle that fits!" :lol:

Small Spark
May. 17, 2010, 08:19 AM
You can always go with Quantum saddle (www.quantumsaddle.com), as it is fit separately to horse and rider.

mvp
May. 17, 2010, 09:12 AM
The "looks right to me" pics--doublesstable's flat pic and Skipchange's pics and video.

Interesting and messy because doublesstable also showed a pic in the same saddle where she wondered if the flap were too forward. ('nother thread, not here.)

And Skipchange described her Beval 16" (rider 5'5") as "knee all up/ahead of the flap's grill." That may be so, but here's the question:

Did you feel as if you could hang out in the two-point all day?

Also the unevenness of 2 stirrup holes is deeply disturbing.

Anywho, mortebella's pic brings up a new problem. Hon, you have long thighs, but I think your lower leg is long, too. Knowing your legs in real life, would you agree?

I think this may be my problem as well. I don't have it figured out, but the ratio of lower to upper leg might figure in, too.

Not for the next round: Show me your pics of flaps that are too forward.

You can't ever find the knee pocket. You feel as if you are always falling backward. You look like the HUS in AQHA world-- knee having no relationship to the front of the flap and stirrup leathers hanging behind the vertical.

mortebella
May. 17, 2010, 11:28 AM
Actually, SOOOOO interesting, my lower leg is SHORT! :confused: At least according to my tall boot measurement. (It's a 12 or 13".) I think if they were proportional I'd be like 5'8" or something. I have considered part of my issue is that by the time something is long enough for my thigh, the stirrup bars are more forward than my shorty lower leg can get back under me. I WISH I really had long lower legs, too. At least maybe they LOOK that way? :lol:

halla
May. 17, 2010, 09:12 PM
I really hesitate to reveal any photos of myself here, but if it furthers anyone's saddle hunt I'll contribute:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7211576@N02/3194569326/

I'm 5'-4", horse is 15.1hh, round yet somehow also narrow (why yes, that did make saddle shopping fun!), I'd say neither push nor pull, and saddle is 17.5" county innovation. I should probably have the next seat size down and I think the flap is too long for me. I bought it used and seem to remember that it might have a more forward flap than standard. While saddle shopping I concluded that I would not be short if my shins were in proportion to the rest of me. I am more than happy with this saddle, but probably do prefer slightly too small to slightly too big. I was fairly content in the 16" Collegiate I had before this, though was thinking it was time to admit my rear had grown since I was 11.

SkipChange
May. 17, 2010, 09:38 PM
IMO I think it would look better, and more correct if my knee wasn't quite so on the flap--but i would MUCH rather have saddle too small than too large. But if you say you think it looks about right, maybe I'm wrong and it does fit well? I probably could hang out in two point all day long although my trainer might faint as he would rather me mostly sit. And I'm 5'2"- not 5'5" :)
Glad you think it looks alright though, I will hopefully be purchasing a new saddle in the near future.

I'm glad you think the 2 hole difference is deeply disturbing. I wonder if there is something wrong with my tree? Who knows. Saddle is only a year old :( emailed Beval if they have any sort of warranty on the tree or anything, haven't heard back. I'm quite upset about it.

mortebella
May. 17, 2010, 10:17 PM
Here's something else to deepen the mystery: it's a complete piece of crap saddle, first 18" saddle I ever sat in, because yes, I could never believe a saddle that big would be right, no matter what my thigh measured. Didn't fit my horse, and he obviously hated it :), but parse the white line and the difference on the whole hip/heel deal...


http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f296/cocreate/for%20mvp/?action=view&current=trotStill18inTestWLine.jpg

And so, I went on to buy a couple of NICE 18" saddles, and still have the same problems...ain't life a hoot? I'd ride in the POS if it fit horsey...

naters
May. 18, 2010, 09:28 AM
Here is a picture or two of me in my "new" saddle (these were actually taken 2 years and I have gained a lot of weight since, but my leg length is the same).

I felt in my previous saddle that I was always perched forward. This one I feel better in. I tend to have a problem with my knee coming past the flap, so this saddle has an extra forward flap.

http://s128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/ncsuacd/?action=view&current=Dorney3.jpg

http://s128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/ncsuacd/?action=view&current=Dorney2.jpg

NorthFaceFarm
May. 18, 2010, 10:10 AM
^Your knee is below where the flap is forward though.

eqsiu
May. 18, 2010, 11:30 AM
This comes at a good time. I have short legs AND a short thigh. Darn near all saddles have knee rolls/thigh blocks that are under (as in between my knee and the horse) my knee with jumping length stirrups. The Amerigo/Vega monoflaps are the only saddles I've tried that seem to fit my leg...but there's no way I can afford them. I am also overweight, so I need a 17.5-18" seat. It seems like you can't be fat and short at the same time. :no:

I think the Wintec pro would be good...and in my price range if I could find one used after I sell my extra saddle (one horse, three saddles).

naters
May. 18, 2010, 12:43 PM
^Your knee is below where the flap is forward though.


This isn't the actual exact saddle I ordered, it was a demo, but it was close enough for me :)

Mimi La Rue
May. 18, 2010, 01:02 PM
Here is a flap that is too forward. This isn't my saddle. This was a horse I was trying out and the owners saddle. I'm 5'8" and have a pretty damn long hip to knee. I think this was a first for me to ride in a flap that is too forward.

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q280/kirsten627/sam1-1.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q280/kirsten627/sam3-1.jpg

SkipChange
May. 18, 2010, 01:18 PM
Oh my Mimi La Rue, that is too forward indeed!

eqsiu
May. 18, 2010, 05:54 PM
Here is a flap that is too forward. This isn't my saddle. This was a horse I was trying out and the owners saddle. I'm 5'8" and have a pretty damn long hip to knee. I think this was a first for me to ride in a flap that is too forward.

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q280/kirsten627/sam1-1.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q280/kirsten627/sam3-1.jpg

What saddle was it?

Mimi La Rue
May. 18, 2010, 06:53 PM
What saddle was it?

It's a CWD.

mvp
May. 18, 2010, 06:54 PM
This is getting slightly worse, not better.

SkipChange and halla-- I think your knees are in the right place but that the flaps on your saddles look cut as if they are more forward higher up. Does that make sense?

I stand by my "can you hang out in two-point all day" test as the measure of good fit in this mysterious dimension. If you are short-on-wide like I am, you do have your work cut out for you, so you get fussy about this kind of thing.

And naters-- is that a Tad Coffin? If not, what is it?

Mortabella-- that saddle looks bigger for you than I'd buy for me, but you are right in the middle of it. Can you hang out in two point in all that acreage?

eqsiu-- you bring up a really important point which does interest me as a butt owner. Bigger seat size doesn't help unless you carry lots and lots of your weight on your thigh, or you really start looking at extreme flap options.

I have a really heavy friend about my height (5'2") who rode in a 17" Pessoa GenX. She is built with equally parts thigh and butt. She is pretty happy in that saddle, though she looked too big for it. I liked it ok, too, though I would have actually bought my same-since-highschool 16.5"

I have a few saddles that range in actual size from 16.25" to 17." I think my butt's probably too big to go buying 16"s but I won't lie-- the 16.25" (sold to me as a 16.5") is my favorite. The is not. And just when I think I'm making this all up, I haul out the 16.25 and realize that its incredible balance for me is real.

Bogie
May. 18, 2010, 07:10 PM
Interesting thread! I'm 6' tall and I believe my femur is 20".

I'll try to dig up some photos but my comments are that seat size/flap position really depends on what you are attempting to do.

For example, my XC saddles are a County Extreme and a Wintec XC. Both of them have very forward flaps and they are the only saddles that I've found where I can get my stirrups short and keep my knee from going over the flap. Both of these saddles are 18".

But I don't always want to ride that short. If I'm hacking out and want to pop over a few fences that aren't more than 2'6" I'm quite happy in my Ebay special Austrian A/P or my Wintec Pro jump. Both of them have less forward flaps and both are 17.5".

What I know for sure is that I need a saddle where the stirrup bars are set fairly far back. If that's the case, I can adapt to the flap. Also, I prefer a pretty flat seat so the difference of a half an inch isn't that glaring to me.

I was surprised to find my dressage saddle is a 17.5 . . . . it has a deeper seat but it was built for me and it fits my leg well, like it was made for me :D. I ordered it custom and never measured it until last year!

naters
May. 19, 2010, 09:45 AM
MVP:

Yep TC on my round QH. Ended up finding a demo with a longer flap. Will try to dredge up some pics. Not sure it fits me right by look, but I can hang in two point for almost half a lesson!

doublesstable
May. 20, 2010, 07:47 PM
Here is a flap that is too forward. This isn't my saddle. This was a horse I was trying out and the owners saddle. I'm 5'8" and have a pretty damn long hip to knee. I think this was a first for me to ride in a flap that is too forward.

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q280/kirsten627/sam1-1.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q280/kirsten627/sam3-1.jpg

It's not all the saddles fault that the flap is forward - - the saddle doesn't fit the horse. It's too low in the back... which makes the flap go forward even more.

I have this problem on my horses. They are wide in the shoulder (this holds the saddle from dropping down in the front) and also have a low backs (which drops the back even lower) so it's a double whamy.

doublesstable
May. 20, 2010, 07:56 PM
Another thought.... watching hunters, equitation, eventing, and jumpers... saddle fit is different.... So I would guess we are talking more of Hunters and Equitation saddles/riders. ?

I watched a few riders from a George Morris Equitation class and could see how those riders saddles were awesome. They fit the riders extremely well. I will look for a still pic.

doublesstable
May. 20, 2010, 08:08 PM
Heres a few saddle fit pix from other riders:

http://equisearch.com/horses_riding_training/english/hunter_jumper/horsemastership10_jessica_springsteen_spiral_in_80 0.jpg

http://equisearch.com/equiwire_news/nancy_jaffer/syracuse08_jessica_springsteen_800.jpg

Heres one of GM

http://www.equestrian.org.au/site/equestrian/image/fullsize/26313.jpg

http://www.myhorsechat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/DSC03248.jpg

It seems to me the saddle fit among top riders seems to be very similar as I listed photos above.....

SkipChange
May. 20, 2010, 08:09 PM
Alright- here's the saddle I rode in today since that 16" Beval is having serious issues with the uneven stirrup bars (mailing it to Beval to have them check it out).

15" Dover Circuit Pony Saddle
Same horse, 16.1h wide warmblood. Rider 5'2"
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs572.snc3/31217_1312909544819_1293060230_30804727_4224752_n. jpg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs592.snc3/31217_1312909664822_1293060230_30804729_648126_n.j pg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs572.snc3/31217_1312909624821_1293060230_30804728_2935707_n. jpg
And a jumping picture, sorry it's blurry
http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs572.snc3/31217_1312825902728_1293060230_30804585_605145_n.j pg

Do we agree that this saddle is entirely too small? :D:lol:
My knee is several inches over the flap when walking relaxed. When working and my heels are really stretched down it looks better.

But seriously, how hard would y'all laugh at me if you saw me riding around in this? It's the only thing I've got to use while the 16" is in the shop and it seems to fit the horse quite well (excellent, even sweat marks and he's jumping out of his skin).

BeastieSlave
May. 20, 2010, 08:20 PM
Here's one of the #2 kid and the best fit we've been able to find/afford....
She'll kill me if she finds out I've posted this picture! As a mom all I can think is; would it kill her to sit up straight?! Note the tiger stripes and fringe on her super-long legs ;)
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr183/BeastieSlave/Horses/Tre/DSCN0008.jpg

AHorseSomeDay
May. 20, 2010, 08:44 PM
I just bought a 16 /12 County Stabilizer Xtra with standard flaps. I always rode in a pony saddle which is was a 16 with short flaps.

I am 5 feet but have long femurs but short legs. My knees went over the knee rolls a little. Now that I look at pictures, it looks like the saddle was too small for me.

As for my new County saddle, there's about an inch between my knees and the knee rolls but once it breaks in, it should curl into my knees some more.

BigDreams07
May. 20, 2010, 08:47 PM
Okk so I never post pictures of myself but I'm interested to see how you guys think my saddle fit looks. 16.5 long flap beval devon.

http://www.hoofprintimages.com/mp_client/pictures.asp?pagenum=69&action=viewphotos&size=fullsize&id=3035775&imagename=StChrSu(5-16-10)JMEq0095t.jpg

and

http://www.hoofprintimages.com/mp_client/pictures.asp?pagenum=137&action=viewphotos&size=fullsize&id=3035611&imagename=StChrSu(5-16-10)ChHY0199t.jpg

Tha Ridge
May. 20, 2010, 10:07 PM
Here's one of the #2 kid and the best fit we've been able to find/afford....
She'll kill me if she finds out I've posted this picture! As a mom all I can think is; would it kill her to sit up straight?! Note the tiger stripes and fringe on her super-long legs ;)
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr183/BeastieSlave/Horses/Tre/DSCN0008.jpg

I don't think that saddle fits her at all.. She doesn't need a more forward flap, but rather a longer, straighter one, IMO.

mvp
May. 20, 2010, 10:47 PM
BeastieSlave-- When Spidery TigerKid is riding, does her knee drop down so that her thigh is parallel with the front of the flap?

It's a great picture for our purposes. She looks like the modern breed of Long Femured that saddlers think we are and some COTHers say they are. People think I'm long legged for my 5'2" total height, but I don't fit in any saddle like that.

Big Dreams-- can't see your pics, just website's homepage.

AHorseSomeday-- I know you and your new County are still on your honeymoon, but when you get back from "private time" will you post pics? I want to see what a fitted to you County looks like on a 5' person. I didn't have the faith that they'd really cut a flap for me and they won't guarantee rider fit.

SkipChange-- Well as long as you stay in two point and don't try to sit down in that little wedge of a saddle, and the horse is happy, it's all good. Do you love the too-short flaps for two point?

soloudinhere
May. 20, 2010, 10:52 PM
It's a great picture for our purposes. She looks like the modern breed of Long Femured that saddlers think we are and some COTHers say they are. People think I'm long legged for my 5'2" total height, but I don't fit in any saddle like that.



I am 5' tall with a 29" inseam and this is my 17" Antares 1 flap. They make a 0 but said it would be too short.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs536.ash1/31434_618498521910_6907147_36717259_5945303_n.jpg

I am "long" in the femur for being 5' tall but overall, not long in the grand scheme of things. This is the only saddle flap that has remotely fit me.

Fun Size
May. 20, 2010, 11:05 PM
I am having the same issue, which I THINK I have solved by ordering a CWD (which will be here Saturday...YIPEEEEE!!!)

Here is my old saddle (http://stetsonphotos.smugmug.com/Sports/Camelot-March-13-2010/MaxandPatricia005/812306793_YgoLc-M.jpg), a Crosby Centennial 17 with short, forward flaps.

Here is another pic of me riding in that saddle. Not that I have the best eq in this (it is getting better, lots of no stirrups, promise!) but they show what the saddle does.

Last October:
http://stetsonphotos.smugmug.com/Sports/Max-Patricia/6322008_9KPRN#399266054_Firin

My trainer says I like to get my feet forward and sit back, which doesn't help my "let's hurl my body at the jump" problem. If I get the new saddle this weekend, I'll have pics from Sunday!! Let's hope! :D

KristieBee
May. 20, 2010, 11:20 PM
Fascinating thread, thank you. I have a question: how is everyone measuring their femurs?

MVP thanks for the point about guaranteeing rider fit - I'm entering a contract with a custom saddle maker and I need to look into that aspect.

I'll play- this is my old Antares - how would you say it fit my leg? i'm 5'5, it's a 16.5/normal flap i think. it measured 12.5 inches from the stirrup bar to the bottom of the flap.

http://img.skitch.com/20100521-qp1jgk13sgn33cq41pa4isyfs2.jpg

Seven
May. 21, 2010, 12:36 AM
I'll play- this is my old Antares - how would you say it fit my leg? i'm 5'5, it's a 16.5/normal flap i think. it measured 12.5 inches from the stirrup bar to the bottom of the flap.


I believe that a 12.5 inch flap is considered short.

Sacred_Petra
May. 21, 2010, 01:55 AM
Fascinating thread, thank you. I have a question: how is everyone measuring their femurs?

Thank you for asking this, I was wondering the same thing myself.

This is a timely thread for me, as I'm currently reevaluating how all my saddles fit. I'm a... womanly sized rider, but I'm most comfortable in my 16.5" old Crosby Hunterdon and I swim in my 18" dressage saddle.

Do saddles with padded flaps/knee rolls fit differently than the old plain flap saddles?

Bogie
May. 21, 2010, 07:25 AM
The saddle is too far forward and possibly too narrow so it's pommel high and tipping you back. Yes, it's a very forward flap but the way it fits the horse is making it look worse.

Also, these very forward flap saddles are great for riding XC but generally stink for riding on the flat.


Here is a flap that is too forward. This isn't my saddle. This was a horse I was trying out and the owners saddle. I'm 5'8" and have a pretty damn long hip to knee. I think this was a first for me to ride in a flap that is too forward.

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q280/kirsten627/sam1-1.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q280/kirsten627/sam3-1.jpg

mortebella
May. 21, 2010, 07:34 AM
To me, KristieBee's saddle looks like a fit. And the length of the flap is how long it's going to come down on your calf, not how to be confused with the seat size of the saddle, which is about your femur, have I got that right? Forward or not on the flap accommodates whether you like to ride with shorter stirrups (and how long your legs are, 'cause if you're a shorty a regular flap can accommodate a lot of jacking up.)

The best info I've gotten on measuring your leg says go from where your hip dents in when you lift your leg out to the side to the middle of your knee joint. That middle of your knee joint sounded strange to me, but that's what you want placed in the pocket of the saddle, I guess. (However, you don't measure to the pocket, you measure to the nail head of the saddle.) Oh well, this is how I've seen several say to do it.

Huh, actually I just found this, which goes along with the kind of far fetched thing I was talking about earlier, saying having a really long thigh and a really short calf was maybe making it hard for me to get my heels back, whereas it felt much better w/o stirrups. Live and learn.

http://www.schleese.com/documents/Leg%20Length%20and%20your%20position%20June%2008.p df

And I just measured my leg per these instructions (I've never gone from the TOP of the pelvis, it added another inch!) and I have exactly the same difference as the first example lady, 6 centimeters. Huh.

Bogie
May. 21, 2010, 09:51 AM
Thorowgood has instructions on their site:

http://www.thorowgood.com/fitting_guide_01.html

jumpingmaya
May. 21, 2010, 10:25 AM
Interesting pics... here is mine....
I'm one of those long femured ones :no: almost 5'9" should I add....
Just so you get an idea.. the mare is 16.3 (Selle Francais/thoroughbred). I make her look like a pony!!! :eek:

In old saddle: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5042431&l=3c988d10e8&id=616012494 (horse is 16.2)

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1290489&l=481a1dcc8b&id=616012494

On new horse with current saddle (which at least fits her- when she's done filling out, custom CWD here I come!!!)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5108637&l=95520df7ef&id=616012494
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5108637&l=95520df7ef&id=616012494
(Please excuse the terrible eq... that's what 7 months off will do :no:)

Would love to hear input... and for the record, I have NO torso whatsoever... I have about one inch from the bottom of my ribcage to the top of my hip... no waste at all :eek:

RugBug
May. 21, 2010, 12:42 PM
So one thing that hasn't been mentioned is that it is hard to judge saddle fit if the rider isn't sitting correctly.

For Example:

My 17.5" Zaldi Star (http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/slorugbug/horse%20stuff/ShowTrotSYVEA-1.jpg) From that picture, the flap looks too straight.

But Here it is jumping (http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/slorugbug/horse%20stuff/TSummers113007002.jpg) (sorry for quality, it's off a video) and another (http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/slorugbug/horse%20stuff/Showsmaller.jpg) and it looks pretty good.

It's ME that is causing the problem by not riding correctly, not the saddle.

And here it is on another horse and it looks pretty darn good:
X-Country (http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/slorugbug/Orion/Orion1.jpg)
Posting Trot (up beat) (http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/slorugbug/Orion/Otrot.jpg)
Posting Trot no stirrups (http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/slorugbug/Orion/TROT.jpg)

BUT...I have pictures where my leg is over the flap on the same horse. Sure, the flap is right at the edge of proper fit, but for the most part, it's works. (I do end up in a bit of a chair seat and fight that...but even so, I can ride in my two point all day. I've never found a saddle that I couldn't).

My old 17.5" Moritz Elite:
Good (http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/slorugbug/horse%20stuff/Gate-1.jpg)
Good (http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/slorugbug/horse%20stuff/JustForFunJump.jpg)
Not so Good (http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/slorugbug/horse%20stuff/Tinybank.jpg)

And just for giggles: This is the new horse (http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/slorugbug/Elf/DSC_9069.jpg) with the saddle I'm borrowing for him. It's a Black Country Quantum. (Yes, I've gained weight...grrr). The forwardness of the flap is fine, it is too long however. Seat is 17.5". I actually do not like riding in this saddle much. It's REALLY hard not to pinch with your knees. I literally get into my two point and then mentally tell myself "heels" because otherwise I grab with my knees. And I'm not one to have a knee pinching issue.

I prefer my Moritz out of all the saddles...but it doesn't fit the new horse. I have a Delgrange on the way for him. Oh yes, I'm a hair shy of 5'7" and I have longish, albiet round) legs. My lower leg is about 18" I don't have a femur measurement, but Delgrange rep was surprised that it was as long as it was.

mvp
May. 21, 2010, 01:51 PM
morabella-- that Schleese link that gets all technical was great! Thanks.

But Rugbug's point about the rider sitting correctly is key, too. I think the rider in the Schleese example looks like she's in different positions. And the last pic of the tall rider looks like her knee is behind the pocket to me.

In a mad scientist moment during a saddle hunt, I started measuring stuff I could-- horizontally from the front of the stirrup bar to the front of the flap on saddles I liked and did not. I did not think to measure the relationship between the center of the deepest part of the seat and the front of the stirrup bar. I'll bet that really matters. (pattnic is teaching me that elsewhere). I wish saddlers thought more about all of this.

And Rugbug-- I think the Zaldi star looks good, even standing still. Maybe this is because I'm so used to the behind-the-pocket problem that I have come to accept things looking too small when standing still.

I think the Moritz looks good, too. Incidentally, were these taken in Norcal in the 1990s? I had a Moritz Golden Elite and lived in that neck of the woods then. Perhaps we were lucky to live near some kind of natural saddle spring? They were nicely balanced, nicely made cc saddles.

BeastieSlave
May. 21, 2010, 02:06 PM
I don't think that saddle fits her at all.. She doesn't need a more forward flap, but rather a longer, straighter one, IMO.

We're not wild about the fit either and I never said she needed a more forward flap ;) Longer flap for sure.


BeastieSlave-- When Spidery TigerKid is riding, does her knee drop down so that her thigh is parallel with the front of the flap?

It's a great picture for our purposes. She looks like the modern breed of Long Femured that saddlers think we are and some COTHers say they are. People think I'm long legged for my 5'2" total height, but I don't fit in any saddle like that.

Yes, when she's riding (and sitting up straight) her leg does drop down some, but I wouldn't say it's ever parallel to the flap. The flap seems to be too forward for that. When she's riding, it gives her fairly decent support, but it's not ideal.

So far, the best saddle she's been in since she's reached this size/height was an older PJ that I believe was a custom. That's not in the budget now, so she makes do with this.

RugBug
May. 21, 2010, 02:46 PM
And Rugbug-- I think the Zaldi star looks good, even standing still. Maybe this is because I'm so used to the behind-the-pocket problem that I have come to accept things looking too small when standing still.

Yes, but check out this one (http://www.printroom.com/ViewGalleryPhoto.asp?evgroupid=0&userid=threeamigas&gallery_id=1479209&image_id=1&pos=2) Flap? What flap?

And here (http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/slorugbug/horse%20stuff/TSummers113007006.jpg) I'm sitting in my lounge chair. :lol: I am shoving my heels forward defensively because Mr. Horse was being AWFUL, but still. I've never had that problem with the Moritz...maybe because if I did, I'd fall off...there's nothing but decent eq helping you stay in that saddle. Why I love it, I don't know. But I do.


]Incidentally, were these taken in Norcal in the 1990s? I had a Moritz Golden Elite and lived in that neck of the woods then. Perhaps we were lucky to live near some kind of natural saddle spring? They were nicely balanced, nicely made cc saddles.

Saddle is circa 1986 or so, purchased in So. Cal at that time. Pictures were 2001, Central Coast, CA. I bought it from a lady that had it on trial but couldn't return it because her cat scratched the seat. She bought an all-purpose from another barnmate, who purchased my first saddle that was HORRIBLY balanced for me but worked perfectly for her. IT was a little saddle triangle. :lol: (BTW, Moritz = $525, Zaldi = $350, Black Country = $1700, Delgrange...*choke, choke* 10x the Zaldi. :eek: it better be worth it.)

mvp
May. 21, 2010, 02:56 PM
Yeah, no flap at all in pic 1.

But in pic 2? I think I have seen pros with legs and flaps like that in _Practical Horseman_. No, they aren't being pulled. Yes, they may ride slightly defensively.

But there's the weird part. Those pros' heels hips and shoulders never line up in a vertical line. Mine do and it isn't working. Check the Schleese model, too. Doesn't she look like she's behind the pocket and her booty bunched up in the cantle when she's all vertical?

And another thing. In so many used saddles, you see a deep groove worn by the stirrup leather. It slants forward. It sometimes lies along the seam created by the knee patches. I don't get it. For as long as I can remember, my stirrup leather tracks have been vertical. People have said my saddles fit me (the 16.5 Moritz especially), but I don't think I'm right in the way that the Big Dogs are right.

See the reason for my questions and conspiracy theory?

RugBug
May. 21, 2010, 03:25 PM
Oh, I agree. I look at other people/pros and my mind goes "chair seat" but they don't ride like they are in a chair seat (some of them, anyway). I think some of it has to do with weight distribution through the leg. If it's correct, the chair isn't that much of an issue. You can bet I had my legs shoved down and was "around my horse" during that particular set of captures. (same course as the blurry jumping shot). I'm the most secure and effective when I have the vertical thigh, no matter the saddle. That thigh/leg was easiest for me in the Moritz. (I almost feel like I'm standing over the horse rather than sitting.)

When Greg Best saw me in the Zaldi, he wanted me to pull my lower leg back. My trainer constantly tells me to push my thigh/knee down. I have a hard time doing that in the Zaldi. It's MUCH easier in the Black Country. I have only been able to re-capture the security of my youth (feeling like I'm part ofthe horse from the hips down) for a brief time...and it was in the Moritz. There is something about the position that that saddle put me in that makes me more secure. I'm hoping the Delgrange will approximate that. I felt that long thigh feeling in it...I think once I've worked through changing my positions some, it will be there.


Check the Schleese model, too. Doesn't she look like she's behind the pocket and her booty bunched up in the cantle when she's all vertical?

Maybe I've been reading texts wrong all these years, but IMO, the middle picture of the Schleese model is EXACLTY where her leg should be. They seem to be indicating that the hip/heel alignment is the middle of the ankle. In the first and last picture, her lower leg is too fat back. The first and last pictures aren't accounting for Hands, knees, toes alignment which is also important. The models' toes are BEHIND her knees in both of those pictures. I think she's aligned correctly in the middle picture...the one they are saying is incorrect.

Note to self: DO NOT let a Schleese person ever fit you for a saddle.

mortebella
May. 21, 2010, 04:03 PM
Well, in the first Schleese picture, I don't know about her booty being scrunched, but her pelvis looks tilted too far forward. And if you've got to have your heels lined up so it's the MIDDLE of your ankle bone I can forget it now, I'm doomed forever!!! In the second Schleese picture what I notice is that her pelvis seems level, like it should be (per me. HA!) But seriously, doncha y'all see that? I think that's the problem, and then she's grabbing with her lower leg in that first one. But, I also see that the third picture stirrups are better for her than the second.

And going back to your question mvp, in the POS saddle with all the "acreage" I couldn't two point very well in it, but I think that was more where I was at that point. I bought a Black Country that was as similar a saddle as I could find second hand and sight unseen :) and I could pretty well two point through a whole lesson in it, but I still didn't have my feet quite where they should be stitting down. :p

My other theory is that as an old jumper rider some of it is the "defensive" thing. Looking at the '80's video thread on here - ye gods, do any of those guys not have their feet stuck in the dashboard, at least...mmm, 75% of the time? LOL

RugBug
May. 21, 2010, 04:20 PM
Inthe Schleese picture: <snip and editing together a bit so parts make sense> , I also see that the third picture stirrups are better for her than the second.


I disagree. I think her leg is best in the second picture. The third has her lower leg too far back and she will pinch with her knees. That alignment in a CC saddle would have her tipping forward while in two point.

BTW, mortebella...I have a hard time judging your pictures because it doesn't look like you've got decent weight in your legs. They look like they are just there...not providing a base for you.

mortebella
May. 21, 2010, 04:52 PM
I guess I better be lighting an awful lot of candles in gratitude for having hung onto him so far!!! And really, you don't know how serious I am! :lol::lol:

Sacred_Petra
May. 21, 2010, 05:10 PM
Does the fact that the Schleese pics are in a dressage saddle make a difference in fit?

My dressage saddle fits me a bit like the middle picture, only my stirrup hangs about an inch further forward in comparison to my leg, and it is HARD to ride in that saddle. When I'm riding dressage, I'm much more comfortable, and I ride better/more effectively (I'm finding) in a saddle that fits me like the bottom picture. My dressage saddle has other issues, but I would love to pull my stirrup bar way back on that saddle

My jumping saddle does the same thing. It fits me a lot like the middle picture, and on my new horse I am constantly fighting to keep my lower leg still and on the horse.

RugBug
May. 21, 2010, 06:03 PM
I guess I better be lighting an awful lot of candles in gratitude for having hung onto him so far!!! And really, you don't know how serious I am! :lol::lol:

Ack...sorry. I didn't mean it to come out like that. Apologies.

mvp
May. 21, 2010, 07:35 PM
Oh, I agree. I look at other people/pros and my mind goes "chair seat" but they don't ride like they are in a chair seat (some of them, anyway). I think some of it has to do with weight distribution through the leg. If it's correct, the chair isn't that much of an issue. You can bet I had my legs shoved down and was "around my horse" during that particular set of captures. (same course as the blurry jumping shot). I'm the most secure and effective when I have the vertical thigh, no matter the saddle. That thigh/leg was easiest for me in the Moritz. (I almost feel like I'm standing over the horse rather than sitting.)

When Greg Best saw me in the Zaldi, he wanted me to pull my lower leg back. My trainer constantly tells me to push my thigh/knee down. I have a hard time doing that in the Zaldi. It's MUCH easier in the Black Country. I have only been able to re-capture the security of my youth (feeling like I'm part ofthe horse from the hips down) for a brief time...and it was in the Moritz. There is something about the position that that saddle put me in that makes me more secure. I'm hoping the Delgrange will approximate that. I felt that long thigh feeling in it...I think once I've worked through changing my positions some, it will be there.



Maybe I've been reading texts wrong all these years, but IMO, the middle picture of the Schleese model is EXACLTY where her leg should be. They seem to be indicating that the hip/heel alignment is the middle of the ankle. In the first and last picture, her lower leg is too fat back. The first and last pictures aren't accounting for Hands, knees, toes alignment which is also important. The models' toes are BEHIND her knees in both of those pictures. I think she's aligned correctly in the middle picture...the one they are saying is incorrect.

Note to self: DO NOT let a Schleese person ever fit you for a saddle.

I went back and studied the Schleese pics again, and yup, 'm with you. And no, I don't think this differs for dressage versus cc.

I agree that the model has her pelvis in different positions in pic 1 versus 2 and 3. Bottom line, pic #2 looks more correct than the one the author likes, #3. Why?

First, because the rider's knee is behind the pocket. She'll have to move a great deal before getting any benefit from the big blocks, but more likely, she'll put her thigh right up next to them and let the stirrup do what it will.

But from that foot way underneath her picture, I'll bet you a cold one that when she goes to post, she starts to fall forward and pinches with her knee.

Which brings me to your point about Pros In Chair Seat. I think you are absolutely right-- they can ride that way because they distribute their weight and grip evenly throughout. They also have exceptional feel and strength in their knees and hips, so they can relax and stabilize these joints at will or throughout the phases of a stride.

IME, that's also the secret to the Centaur phenomenon.

But I'm also with you-- vertical thigh feels good. So this is at least near the center of my question. Why do some saddles make you swing your lower leg back to get that and others don't?

mortebella
May. 22, 2010, 02:30 PM
Ack...sorry. I didn't mean it to come out like that. Apologies.


No, no, I just had to laugh. He's my first horse in 29 years, can you tell? :lol: And he's a Good Boy. But he can get kinda "up," if you know what I mean. Especially in big open fields. :D He's an interesting horse in that he'll pack a pony camp kid around, but if my riding improves a little bit, he'll start to bring his "A" game - and his "A" game is so far beyond mine, that yeah, well...he's gotten out from under better riders than me. But he's no trouble to a pro whatsoever. To him, it's just sort of like, well, which camp are you in? Do you want me to bring it, or not? :lol:

And I think you're absolutely right, whether it's the tack or whatever, it seems a fight to get the legs in an effective position with stirrups. We both get happier sans stirrups in every saddle I've had on him. Just all part of the fun of trying to figure it out I guess.

Denzel
May. 23, 2010, 05:33 PM
I agree that position affects how the saddle fits as well. My old saddle, an HDR Show jumper pro was very comfortable and fit darn near everything I put it on fairly decently, but the balance was never GREAT on it. It always seemed to shove my leg forward (the fact that my mare is super wide and has a perfect leg "hole" right at the girth doesn't help matters). I just recently bought an Amerigo Vega, and holy shazaam, it is the most amazing saddle ever! It puts me in a perfect spot and it feels like it is made for my bum. On the new gelding I'm riding, who likes to clear the standards once in a while in a really awkward jump, the old saddle had me using every muscle fiber just to stick with him on landing...the Amerigo however keeps me really balanced and I find it monumentally easier to stick with his leaps.

For reference: I am 5'5 with an 18" femur.

Here is the Amerigo, on a 16.2 horse with a fairly long flat-length stirrup
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/icey_princess12/DSC07098.jpg
And another:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/icey_princess12/DSC07103.jpg
Here is a video of me riding in the HDR last summer on a 15.3 mare has a huge barrel and is really wide. You can see how it is kind of a struggle to keep my leg under me as it constantly wants to scoot forward. Again, riding in a long flat-length stirrup
http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/icey_princess12/?action=view&current=MOV00921.flv
Some pictrues from that same combo:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/icey_princess12/DSC00875.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/icey_princess12/DSC00885.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/icey_princess12/DSC00893.jpg
With jump length stirrups:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/icey_princess12/File0005.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/icey_princess12/ImportedPhotos00001.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/icey_princess12/039.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/icey_princess12/_DSC0131.jpg

And this is an example of a saddle that did not fit me AT ALL, that I used when I first started riding this mare and she was still pasture fat and didn't fit my saddle. The seat pitched me forward so badly, and the flap was way to straight:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/icey_princess12/DSC_0259.jpg
The flap was slightly better when I was riding with a longer flat-length stirrup:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/icey_princess12/DSC_0156.jpg


And a picture of the chestnut gelding from the first set as a 4 year old in the HDR:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/icey_princess12/P7250012.jpg

And finally, the HDR on a 17hh narrow WB:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/icey_princess12/standingaround.jpg

BigDreams07
May. 23, 2010, 07:08 PM
ok heres this onehttp://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=30jh5ko&s=6

pintopiaffe
May. 23, 2010, 08:06 PM
I think a little part of my brain has just leaked out my left ear... :uhoh:

This is soooo eye-opening, and educational--even though some of it is beyond me.

As an adult (fat, short, with a long--or short, dunno--heavy thigh and NO waist) I have had a hard time with flaps on dressage & jumping saddles.

This was my beloved and much mourned Stubben, 18.5". Stirrups are too long. but my knee fit *just* so into the pocket below the high thigh blocks when they were jumping length.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/pintopiaffe/integritytrot.jpg Sadly, the 32cm Stubben was nowhere near wide enough to fit any of my other horses, and the horse in the photo passed away. :( I miss them both.

Finally have come to terms that I need a VD flap in dressage... and bigger AND shallow is better... Have yet to find a jumping saddle I can stay in two point all day in. Shorten the stirrups, knee over the flap... this is a GP saddle I used for a baby event... http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b4ce00b3127ccec93ec92b698e00000010O08AatGLlk1Ytw e3nwM/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b4ce00b3127ccec93f2c9e88ad00000010O08AatGLlk1Ytw e3nwM/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

HORRIBLE eq, (he had been cross cantering, this is the first full stride after I got him to change behind. :p ) but this is the (Treeless--SBS Flexion) dressage saddle I sold on because even with the ginormous thigh blocks, upper thigh & knee coming off saddle... http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b4ce00b3127ccec93ff0b288ef00000010O08AatGLlk1Ytw e3nwM/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

This is the GP flap version of the same as the dressage saddle. (Fhoenix) Lots of folks can jump up to 4' in it... I can't two point in it. :p http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/pintopiaffe/sons%20of%20the%20wind%20show/softwalk.jpg

I don't have photos yet of The Ancient Passier.

I scored a Passier Century for hunter showing, that so far feels ok with almost short enough stirrups... haven't tried two point/running/leaping in it yet.

I've lost weight and gained some... and still not quite figured out the geometry. This thread is helping a LOT. I really haven't quite wrapped my mind around all of it--but there is jumping & hunter shows in the near future, so this is helping tremendously to figure out what I need.

englishivy
May. 24, 2010, 08:19 AM
Ugh, trying to read all of this when I am a hands-on/visual type of learner is just making me more confused! :lol:

I was trying to find a good picture of me riding to ask what you thought of my saddle fit. It's a very old Collegiate CC from the late 80's/early 90's and I.LOVE.IT. But I've often wondered about it fitting me still since I got it as a 13 yr old and am about to be 32 and I'm 4 weeks away from delivering kid #2....talk about a different body type.

MVP-one thing we haven't discussed is how the size of the twist can affect how your leg sits "down & around" the horse. My saddle has a very narrow twist (like, a lot more narrow than the "narrow twist" saddles made nowdays) and I've found that allows my thigh to find that nice secure feeling, no matter if I ride the big horses or a small or medium pony with shortened stirrups.

Maybe that is why your old saddle felt so much more secure?

RugBug
Jun. 11, 2010, 12:31 AM
Paging mvp:

The Delgrange is here...

Fit wise (http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g14/slorugbug/Elf/IMG_0240.jpg), it feels pretty nice for me. Once I started riding, I actually had to put my stirrups up a half-hole because they felt so long. My leg felt under me and very vertical. I haven't gotten a great feel for it because 1) it's a little wide for the horse* and 2)I'm suppose to spend the first hour in two point. I can ride in two point for a really long time, but 100% of a ride is a bit difficult...especially on a horse that needs motivation to go. :lol:



*seems that it will fit with a sheepskin pad or maybe something like a TC leather pad. I'm just deciding how I want to proceed.

pattnic
Jun. 11, 2010, 07:44 AM
RugBug - why the first hour in two-point?

RugBug
Jun. 11, 2010, 11:16 AM
RugBug - why the first hour in two-point?

Because the directions say so? :lol: It says something about the saddle getting its spot as well as the rider. I think they don't want it to settle in an incorrect spot. I know I am most correct when in two-point.

MaggieMagoo
Jul. 1, 2010, 11:02 PM
Oh wow! This thread is perfect timing.

My barn owner just took a few pictures of my riding and I noticed that my saddle just doesn't look right. It is by far the most comfortable saddle I have ridden in but it doesn't look like it should be.

I'm 5'2 with a longer femur and shorter thigh. I'm relatively even on upper body to lower body ratio but might tend toward a longer leg. My saddle is a 16" circa 1999 Pessoa GenX. It fits my horse pretty well and I always feel secure in it. I got it for my 17th birthday and have ridden in it since. Now, I have gained a little weight since then so my butt fits it with not much room to spare and my trainer (which I don't see often) has raised my stirrups up a hole because he said I was riding with them too long.

What do you guys think? I really love my saddle but realize that it might be time for me to go shopping...

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30158284&id=125500212

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30160160&id=125500212

P.S. These are not the most flattering photographs!

Seven
Jul. 13, 2010, 02:36 AM
Oh wow! This thread is perfect timing.

My barn owner just took a few pictures of my riding and I noticed that my saddle just doesn't look right. It is by far the most comfortable saddle I have ridden in but it doesn't look like it should be.

I'm 5'2 with a longer femur and shorter thigh. I'm relatively even on upper body to lower body ratio but might tend toward a longer leg. My saddle is a 16" circa 1999 Pessoa GenX. It fits my horse pretty well and I always feel secure in it. I got it for my 17th birthday and have ridden in it since. Now, I have gained a little weight since then so my butt fits it with not much room to spare and my trainer (which I don't see often) has raised my stirrups up a hole because he said I was riding with them too long.

What do you guys think? I really love my saddle but realize that it might be time for me to go shopping...

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30158284&id=125500212

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30160160&id=125500212

P.S. These are not the most flattering photographs!

I'm no expert but - it looks like you're sitting too far back (and getting a chair seat) but I wonder if it's because the pommel is too high? Either the padding (are there two pads under the saddle?) or it's too narrow for the horse?

I wonder that because there are parts of both pictures that look like the fit is okay. That said, neither picture looks like it is an overall excellent fit. Maybe it's an easy adjustment like the padding?

mortebella
Apr. 7, 2011, 09:24 AM
think I might have found something that fits me pretty well finally...It's a Northrun Doswell II, and it measures 17 3/4 :confused:

I know moving pictures would've been better, but we'd just figured out how to adjust the stirrups - at first it seemed WAY too big...then we forgot :winkgrin:

What do you think?

http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f296/cocreate/for%20mvp/?action=view&current=northrundoswell.jpg

Jumper_girl221
Apr. 7, 2011, 09:57 AM
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/6132_517350380025_149402250_30524986_2114795_n.jpg
(ugh...hate both of these pictures).
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v4261/246/3/149402250/n149402250_30471520_5145853.jpg

^ my 17" collegiate diploma, regular flap.

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/168246_536096667315_149402250_30843566_2802608_n.j pg
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/148609_533722739685_149402250_30812615_3975987_n.j pg

My 18" Collegiate Diploma, forward flap

I have a HORRIBLE habit of tilting my pelvis. Combined with a lack of good instructors that will come to me, and a busy home life making it harder to trailer out...its just continuing. I have been really focusing on sitting up and on my pockets, and I think that will help both my leg, and my upper body. My trainer for the LONGEST time would yell sit up, which I was trying, but when I personally look at my pictures, I see that my tilted hips are what is causing teh "lean" as well as the forced chair seat.

I've been concentrating on forcing my knee into the flap, while trying to roll my hips, but its a work in progress.
from a few weeks ago when I was having my "tilted hip" revelation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4x8kuRj3b0

I'm 5'10", 37" inseam and 23" from hip to knee (and weigh...*gulp* 180ish).

ParadoxFarm
Apr. 7, 2011, 10:05 AM
I see that this thread is mostly old, but would love some comments on saddle size. I'm posting a picture, but admit my form is crappy. I already know that. :) But all-in-all can you tell me what you think of the fit?

http://s740.photobucket.com/albums/xx44/d2jump/?action=view&current=2011-03-05TimberlaneShowChicoHunter.jpg

Thanks.

I don't know how to measure my femure, but I do have longer legs for my 5'6" frame, so hard to fit in saddles.

bluebuckets
Apr. 7, 2011, 05:27 PM
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pm59
Apr. 7, 2011, 06:18 PM
I am 5' tall with a 29" inseam and this is my 17" Antares 1 flap. They make a 0 but said it would be too short.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs536.ash1/31434_618498521910_6907147_36717259_5945303_n.jpg

I am "long" in the femur for being 5' tall but overall, not long in the grand scheme of things. This is the only saddle flap that has remotely fit me.

Ok, I am FAR from an expert and this thread has been VERY educational, but solouinhere I think you got it VERY right. That saddle looks like a great fit to me!! Of course I am no expert so I can't wait to see if I am close to correct, anyone else care to chime in?????