LubriSyn & Hyalun TRIAL CoTH "results" -- pg 22. HA Aids in Tendon Repair ????

[Oldenburg Mom]

OK. I just got back from the barn.

This is so unscientific I can't believe it, but all I can do is tell you what happened.

1. I went to her stall and got her. Ears forward, mouth full of hay. This is pretty normal.

2. Took her to indoor. Closed the door and turned her loose. Trotted off. I went to pee. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif <Too Much Information, KT.>

3. Came back with armload of hay. Put it down for her to munch while I brush her and saddle her. Everything thus far, completely normal.


More coming ...

[Oldenburg Mom]

OK. I just got back from the barn.

This is so unscientific I can't believe it, but all I can do is tell you what happened.

1. I went to her stall and got her. Ears forward, mouth full of hay. This is pretty normal.

2. Took her to indoor. Closed the door and turned her loose. Trotted off. I went to pee. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif &lt;Too Much Information, KT.&gt;

3. Came back with armload of hay. Put it down for her to munch while I brush her and saddle her. Everything thus far, completely normal.


More coming ...

[Oldenburg Mom]

4. So I want to see how she's moving. Haven't removed her blankets, but am interested to make sure she isn't off. This is SOP.

5. She's moving just fine. Which is not unusual. There are days when she's moving along no problemo.

6. Now starts the new stuff. She feels great. She's cantering. She gave a HUGE buck. It's happened before... so not THAT unusual. But certainly not an everyday occurance.

7. But she's not stopping ... she's trotting around, by herself. Having a ball. Not THAT unusual ... but a little unusual.

8. Ok... she's still trotting around ... now it starting to be VERY unusual. She is really UP. She's never done this before. I've never seen her like this.

9. She trots over ... very lofty, suspended trot. Never seen it. Then she gives a couple of those HUGE snorts that shake the building. Never heard them before. What the heck's going on here ...

10. She's still trotting around, cantering ... so I tell her to "Whoa" so I can get her over and start to saddle her. SHE WOULDN'T LET ME CATCH HER. She's NEVER done this. Not in the field, certainly not in the indoor.

11. This went on for a full half hour total...that's from the time we walked into the arena until she finally let herself get caught. I had to BRIBE her with apple treats. This has never happen before. This horse felt GOOOOOOD.

12. We worked for a full hour. This was a very happy horse ... ears forward, compliant. We even JUMPED a small cross rails three times. No problem.

I don't know what conclusions I can draw from this. She has been on LubriSyn for two days now, and HylaMotion for almost three months.

Any of you people have any questions? Anything I can look for? I mean if this continues, I'm going to do back flips.

[RedMare01]

Wow! I'm thinking the red mare is going to have to find herself some LubriSyn when she goes back into regular work this spring. I've been following the other thread to see how everything works out, but this is even better...all the results in one place (hopefully).

The only question I have is, how much did you end up paying for it?

Congrats on having such a happy mare, OM.

Caitlin

[Oldenburg Mom]

Thanks Caitlin.

Honestly, I do NOT want to get my hopes up. This is so remarkably unscientific I'm embarrassed, but at least I'm just tell you folks what's going on.

I ended up paying just under $70 for one month's supply. If she keeps on like this, I will discontinue the Yucca I have her on ... which should save me a little bit.

Anyway. Let's see what happens with the other folks.

[CHJoker]

Okay, well, my Hyalun arrived a few days ago (it is such a small bottle, importation is a breeze!) And after paying a part of the Swiss Customs salaries for the year, ( ie, ridiculous customs charges) I am ready to go.

WEll, I started him on the gel (30 mg per 10cc) as a loading dose yesterday morning. Last night, I went to the barn, and took him to the indoor to do a bit of lunging and to chase him around a bit.

He acted like a complete fool. He does this "crazy horse routine" very very occasionally (think, a few times a year), so it is hard to say. But, he was bucking like crazy, and he was galloping around so hard I had to stop him (ie, put him on the lunge) I was scared he would get hurt. I have done the exact same thing (turnout in the indoor and then light lunging) for the last few months in the indoor(lot's of snow this year!! ) at least 3 times per week, and he has NEVER been this excited. I usually have to chase his pokey a$$ around. HOWEVER, he CAN be hot and sensitive, it is his nature... it's just that he usually doesn't run around like a crazy man in our evening sessions in the indoor. We do this alot http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

He definately felt good. He normally isn't this "up" (as OM well described). But, there could be lot's of reasons for this. I will wait until the end of the month and make a more objective assessment. If this continues, though... well...I hope he doesn't start incorporating those quite impressive bucks into our under saddle time http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Overall movement was good, as he usually is once warmed up, really. Didn't notice really any change, except how freaking excited about life he seemed to be. Will know more in a month http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Note: Completely UNSCIENTIFIC!!! Completely. BUT, I have not changed anything prior to the "trial". Even the weather has stayed the same for the last few weeks (I WISH it would change! I have had enough cold!!). Maybe it is a full moon. Maybe it is chance. Maybe it is luck. By the end of the month, I will have a much more informed opinion!

Oh, BTW, my horse isn't lame...just stiff sometimes. He has an old shoulder injury, and has been diagnosed with beginning stage arthritis in his knee. Feet issues, soreness issues, etc. But, all of the issue have been resolved, EXCEPT for the lingering stiffness/soreness (slight). He is an 8 year old Swiss warmblood, 17 hands.

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CHJoker:
Note: Completely UNSCIENTIFIC!!! Completely. BUT, I have not changed anything prior to the "trial". Even the weather has stayed the same for the last few weeks (I WISH it would change! I have had enough cold!!). Maybe it is a full moon. Maybe it is chance. Maybe it is luck. By the end of the month, I will have a much more informed opinion!

Oh, BTW, my horse isn't lame...just stiff sometimes. He has an old shoulder injury, and has been diagnosed with beginning stage arthritis in his knee. Feet issues, soreness issues, etc. But, all of the issue have been resolved, EXCEPT for the lingering stiffness/soreness (slight). He is an 8 year old Swiss warmblood, 17 hands. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, CHJoker. She felt GOOD. Ditto on both issues. She's NQR. That's the only way I can describe it. And now she's just fine.

Go figure.

[Fessy's Mom]

Wow! These updates are very exciting! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif I'll be keeping a close eye on how things go with each product (lubrisyn and hyalyn).

Abe (my rescue OTTB who had 20+ bone chips removed from his knee in October) is doing much better now after doing physical therapy and putting him on Cosequin exclusively (Fluid Action with HA, MSM and BL Solution did nothing for him), but he still comes out sore in the morning and isn't anywhere near sound at the trot yet. So I'm looking for a miracle! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Please keep the updates coming! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fessy's Mom:

Abe (my rescue OTTB who had 20+ bone chips removed from his knee in October) is doing much better </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You would be a perfect test case as he is on anything at the moment, ... no hyluronic acid.

Pick one and try it ...

[Hopeful Hunter]

I must have missed the originals on this....

are these oral hyluronic (sp?) acid products? From where? How much? Info would be GREAT because there's an older, stiff horse in our barn whose owner is poking around trying these.....

THANKS!

[OakesBrae]

I think it's time for me to join the club. Where did you get your LubriSyn?

I have a 17.2h, 1400 lb, 13 year old thoroughbred who just had his left hock injected but who is stiff, well, everywhere. He's been on joint supplements now for a month, but with only moderate improvements.

So, where did you get it?? Please do tell!

[Critters Everywhere]

Well, I put the summary of one of our lesson horse's experience with LubriSyn on the other topic, but might as well do it here since this is the summary...

@26-26 year old grade mare, 15.2 had career as gaming horse, trail horse, assorted. Last two years or so has been used as a lesson horse. Anywhere from 2 to 5 lessons per week, used to be WTC with beginners, for 8 months or so was W-T with small children only, occassional trailride or bareback mosey around the arena with an adult. About 2 months ago, started getting so sore & stiff she was starting to look her age (instead of half it like she always had) and it got to the point everyone was pretty much discussing that she was done even with the W-T tiny kids and needed total retirement. Vet recommended LubriSyn. Started out on the "one click of the dial" each day. Within a week, she was back up to her old self. She's now down to 'one click' 3 days per week. She looks GREAT. In the 1.5 years I've been at this barn, I've never seen her move so freely & comfortably. She's back up to a full lesson load too.

Oh, BTW, she was on Cortaflx daily before.

[welshcob]

Speaking of unscientific.....

Gryffin started yesterday so after 2 15ml doses -- he has been SLEEPING 1/2 the day, and he is one who usually bucks and snorts and plays and can be tricky to catch.... despite the fact he's out 24/7!!!

First he napped in the sun at the usual time, then when I went out to ride an hour or so later, he was napping in the straw in his shelter.

He feels fine and quite cheerfully got up to see me -- so I gave him the day off. See what his attitude is tomorrow. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[findeight]

I noticed my mare was having trouble sometimes getting up after napping on a cold day...so it's possible the stuff could increase their ability to sleep more comfortable as well as move around....at work and cheating by posting....

Will report on my own mare after I get home. Friday or saturday for sure.

[McVillesMom]

Totally Unscientific Lubrisyn Trial, Day 2:

(Disclaimer: He hasn't been lame. I wouldn't even have called him NQR. He does, however, have his occasional stiffness issues, and I have noticed a BIG difference in him after he gets Legend and Adequan. So I decided to try it.)

Went out to ride him today. First thing I notice is that he's not stocked up in his hind pasterns. He's *always* stocked up in his hind pasterns after being in overnight. I figure this is a good sign.

Get him out of the stall. He seems somehow more lively than usual. (Not doing anything stupid, just more pleasant somehow.)

Tack him up and go to ride. Other than seeming more forward than usual, I can't say I saw a huge difference. However, he did get vaccinations on Tuesday, and is probably still a little sore from that.

Will continue to monitor progress and post updates.

[Alter Equine]

Totally Unscientific report - Day 11
Temperature more moderate and consequently my horses' behaviour as well. Had a good ride, schooled gymnastics. Where I might normally feel several uneven trot steps at some point in the ride, I didn't tonight. Next ride and report Saturday.

[Oldenburg Mom]

Totally Unscientific Lubrisyn Trial, also Day 2:

<span class="ev_code_RED">TULT</span>

Ok. She was not HYSTERICALLY HAPPY like last night. But moderately happy.

She did her job VERY VERY well. No off steps at ALL.

More tomorrow. STAY TUNED!

[mbeans99]

Ok, so where in the name of God , do you get Lubrisyn? I called the rep. no call back. I'll order from anywhere. Help please.

[CHJoker]

TUHT report: (Totally Unscientific Hyalun Trial)

I am not sure where you get Lubrisyn... go to the website and email them. They should be able to give you the name of a vet you can get it from.

Or, try Hyalun? I can't get the lubrisyn right now, so I am importing Hyalun.

Did not have time to ride last night, work load sucks right now, so will report on Monday, after we see how the weekend goes.

I can report one odd thing. I live very close to the stable, and I usually take Mr. Joker for a walk in the morning (not riding, just handwalking). It wakes both of us up http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Anyway, today I noticed immediately... he STRIDED out of his stall. He never does that. It is more like a shuffle out of his stall.

Interesting. Will keep updating.

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mbeans99:
Ok, so where in the name of God , do you get Lubrisyn? I called the rep. no call back. I'll order from anywhere. Help please. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

check your PTs.

[AWIP]

Can anyone provide a purchase contact in ontario, canada for either Lubrisyn OR Hyalun?

[Critters Everywhere]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mbeans99:
Ok, so where in the name of God , do you get Lubrisyn? I called the rep. no call back. I'll order from anywhere. Help please. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The company will only distribute it through vets. Your vet can order for you through this company (https://www.accessbutler.com/abc/logonu.asp). They don't seem to care how close/far away you are to the particular sales rep. My vet office was more than happy to order it for me. I think they actually ordered in a case so they could give some to other people.

[egontoast]

You can get hyalun from a store in Alberta called Millstore, I think. No vet prescription necessary. Mine came today. Ready for my unscientific trial to start tomorrow. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[AWIP]

Egontoast...
could you please PT me contact info?

[egontoast]

done

[findeight]

I FINALLY got to the barn yesterday after 2 weeks of business travel.

Mare did have a Legend shot about 10 days ago and started on the LubriSyn at the same time.

First observation-hind ankles as tight as a drum where she is normally stocked up. She's brighter and moving much more quickly in the stall, virtually spun around for her treat.

The barn manager tells me she has noticed the mare now steps smartly out of her stall where she normally is stiff the first few minutes.

How's she ride you ask???

Beats me, still haven't had time for other then a quick stop at the barn...drat that job thing.

Others report she is nice, forward and cheerful.

I happened to get a quart of the stuff as a freebie for Fat Cat and, after seeing the new cosmetics touting HA as the next big thing $$$ and pricing the human oral HA at about $2 a day...I see no reason why we can't share http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

If it is, as claimed, a carrier for moisture it should mix well with face and hand cream...and it seems to make things smoother if a bit sticky for a bit.

I'm not going to advocate taking an animal prep yourself...however barn manager takes 5cc a day so I'm trying it at that level too. Just started-nothing to report other then it's not that bad.

Will update next week.

[welshcob]

TULT --- http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Day 2 LubriSyn, 1st ride.

Good ride, Gryffin nice and forward, almost NO balking at up-transitions (which is his claim to fame -- balking meaning he just sucks back for a few strides and then maybe does a mini-leap, takes a few strides to get forward in a rythm. Worst in canter transition)

This is a very noteable "response" in Gryffin's case. Will post in a few days to let you know if it continues.

[Oldenburg Mom]

TULT - day ... four? Five?

First time I've seen her NQR. I'd describe it as a little "tender". Not enough to stop work...but a little tiny bit irritable.

Of course, she IS in heat. But her movement was not quite what it was. I am not sure how much she is receiving in her feed...as there is some left over. I believe LubriSyn comes in a syringe type thingie. I'm thinking maybe the barn help isn't mixing it in her feed so she leaves some.

We'll see ... MORE TOMORROW. Stay tuned to this channel for more of As the Supplement Works. Or not.

[Fessy's Mom]

Hmm, that's interesting what you said about her maybe not eating it all. This is what has me interested in the Hyalun - it's once a day and I can squirt the one cc on anything. Right now he's on the loading dose of Cosequin which is three scoops twice a day and I hate finding it in the bottom of his feed tub. Plus, he's a dribbler, so I never know how much he's really getting.

I look forward to more updates! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[McVillesMom]

TULT, Day 4:

Last 2 rides somewhat unremarkable. Relatively good, but not amazingly so. Thursday was still recovering from vaccines on Tuesday, so was somewhat stiff that day (to be expected). Friday was better, today was better still. I have a dressage lesson tomorrow, so I'll let y'all know how that goes.

[welshcob]

Couldn't resist a quick note.

Gryffin was great today too. Both trot and canter transitions were quite forward -- "barely" any sucking back.

As I was riding I thought -- 3 possibilities....

1) It is coincidence he started the LubriSyn at the same time he gained enough fitness to more comfortably do an upward transition

2)It is coincidence he decided "I have to do it anyway" and he gave up protesting an upward transition 1 day after starting LubriSyn

3)The LubriSyn has relieved some discomfort he had sitting and delivering a transition to a faster gait

I promise I'll wait a few more days before the next update..... I am soooooo optimistic......!!!

[Kat the Horse]

Okay, and how much does Lubrisyn cost per 6-dose tube? IF I were to ask my vet to order such a thing, am I then going to be too poor to afford the gas to drive out and ride the now-happily-Lubrisnyn'ed mare? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Actually, the mare I'm thinking of giving it to has a big ankle that makes her w/t comfortable only. She canters fine at liberty--but because both my daughter and I weigh more than :::cough cough::: mumble http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif mumble http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif mumble... I've made it a rule that Harmony be ridden W/T. I've been babying her along for over a year, trying to resolve her ankle issues through careful trimming, lots of Equinel CM and MSM, chiropractic care, blah blah blah.

At 21 years she is only a trail pony for my youngest daughter, but I'd like her to be more comfortable with a ride longer than 30 minutes. Today she was fine for about 20 minutes--then she decided that going back to the barn was absolutely all SHE was agreeing to. I know Arabian mares are unusually strong and self-minded, but to my loving eyes, Harmony just seemed ouchy and tired.

Maybe it's time to find a good retirement home for her, instead of dosing her with 'stuff' so she can still be ridden..... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

[welshcob]

Prices seem to vary but I bought a 60 day supply for $110. This is the larger size of 32 oz (946 ml) liquid, and a better buy than the smaller ones obviously.

About $1.80 per day.

[Oldenburg Mom]

TULT - day ... five? Six?

Arrived today. I always longe her just to see where she is. Perfect movement. Not a thing wrong. Easy movement. Happy too.

So...I finish. We're talking 3 minutes of longeing. And I go to leave to talk up ... and SHE WANTS TO CONTINUE TO LONGE!!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

What was THAT all about?

Anyway, saddled. Rode. Everthing went smoothly. I would have known more but there were 7 horses in an indoor the size of a peanut.

More tomorrow ... in the continuing saga of As The Supplement Works.

[Alter Equine]

TULT - Day 15
Good ride. Horsey moving just fine. No hitches, no kinks. Can't say that there is a difference but we are moving up the workload (more demanding jump schools). He was rocking back nicely. Fingers remain crossed.

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by welshcob:
Prices seem to vary but I bought a 60 day supply for $110. This is the larger size of 32 oz (946 ml) liquid, and a better buy than the smaller ones obviously.

About $1.80 per day. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Love your price. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Will your vet sell it the rest of the world.

[AWIP]

Anyone have a reasonably priced contact close to Moline IL? I'm there for the week, leaving friday. Please PT with info if you've got one.

[McVillesMom]

TULT, Day 5 (The Dressage Lesson):

So the lesson went pretty well, once I remembered how to ride my horse. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I actually haven't had a lesson in about 6 weeks, because first my horse sprung a shoe and then my instructor was in Costa Rica for 10 days. Over that period of time I have apparently forgotten how to ride forward http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif and once she reminded me, things went fine. Generally my horse is not that great in walk. He's your typical lockjawed TB, especially when you ask him to do things like turn on the forehand and leg yield; it's very hard to keep him round and not poking his nose out/crossing his jaws. Today we started, for the first time, work with turn on the haunches, and he stayed on the bit!!! Not all the time, but probably 90%. Who knows why exactly.

So by the end of the lesson, after I "rattled his cage" a little bit, he was great. We'll see what happens later this week-if I can remember how to ride!

[CHJoker]

TUHT:

Over the weekend, I rode Sunday, great movement, forward, felt GREAT!

HOWEVER... I did change saddles, and I know he likes it alot more (and I LOVE it). That could most definately account for more forward, etc.

But, he seemed to ***feel*** better! Oh, and since it was snowing, we started out the ride outside, and up a hill, I asked for a trot...OH he wanted to GO!! Multiple bucks, joyous leaps... of course, it was cold, snowing, and he obviously felt good, so this is to be expected. I just had to laugh...

He is still coming out of his stall in the mornings quite "crisp".

I am trying to order some Lubrisyn... just to make a "comparison". If I can find a supplier for under 50 US dollars a month, that would be GREAT! I will import large quantities at once.

[OakesBrae]

Getting mine shipped via UPS! Woo hoo! I can't wait to put the man on it.

[Oldenburg Mom]

Was stuck at work last night so didn't ride ... any new results? It will be very interesting to hear what OakesBrae has to say.

Oakesbrae, give us a blow-by-blow account of his symptoms.

[OakesBrae]

Sure thing!

I'm going to trial this on my 13 year old 17.2h 1400 lb giant of a thoroughbred, Andre. Andre came off the track as a youngster never having raced, but was thrown into a pasture for a year and still had his racing plates on when the guy I got him from bought him - he said he pulled them off with his bare hands.

They tried to fix his feet from there, but his right front foot was just...had a lot of issues. It developed massive quarter cracks, blew out a heel bulb, lost the bars of his foot..just became an awful foot. Being a big boy, the pressures on the foot were amazing and the resulting compensation across his body was harsh. Even when I got him, which is fairly recently, his right front leg was torqued, but you could tell it was from an extremely imbalanced foot. My farriers are working to correct it.

Andre now has arthritis in both hocks, most likely due to him trying to shift weight back there to relieve his front feet, but the left hock is worse than the right. Recent xrays showed a minor bone spur and some osteophytes around the joint, nothing horrible, but bad enough that he was head bobbing lame in FRONT until we had him injected. That was last week. This week, I can already tell that he's starting to get ouchy again. The head bob is still gone, but the leg is starting to "stab" again, and it looks like a matter of days before we're back where we started.

I have some photos of the big boy, that I will also share, because my theory is that if I can get his hind end comfortable he will finally use his hind end better (right now he has a HUGE shoulder and a microbutt) even at play. This will vastly change his conformation.

So...I've definitely got my fingers crossed. The horse is a sweetie, and he jumps 4' courses (they trained him between lamenesses), and is EAGER to work - best work ethic I've seen in a horse in awhile. I want him to be comfortable, he deserves it.

[Fessy's Mom]

Oh OakesBrae he sounds lovely! It's so nice to hear how much you've done for him already. Good for you! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif And good luck with the Lubrisyn.

I finally went ahead and ordered the Hyalun for Abe. I found it at equineusaonline.com for only $29.95 for the thirty day dropper bottle and $23.95 for the three day loading dose gel. It says that the loading dose has six times the HA that is in the regular hyalun.

Abe is showing real improvement on the Cosequin. His biggest problem since the surgery is extending that leg at the trot. But yesterday when he was out playing I think he forgot himself for a minute and showed me about ten really nice trot strides. Sounds small, but if you knew what this horse has been through, you'd be as thrilled as I am! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I'm just happy at this point that he's finally walking *almost* sound all the time and tolerating full day turnout.

I'll let everyone know how it's going once I get the Hyalun and post my T.U.H.T. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Gracious]

Bumping this thread back up. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

My vet came out today to do hock and stifle injections on my mare. She's a 13 yr old TB - never raced but started as a hunter/jumper at 4 yrs, competed for 2 seasons, and then sat in a stall for 4 years (literally...no turn out, no riding) until I found her and started working with her. She's been off since November which was basically one thing leading to another which lead to another and we think that we've finally found the root of the problem. We were going to put her on Cosequin, but she's a pretty messy eater and I was afraid that, with the powder, not much would actually be getting into her system. I asked my vet today about LubriSyn and he hadn't heard of it. I gave him the info that I had from here on it and he's going to look into it and give me a call sometime this week. He knows that I'm on a college student budget but that I'm also willing to do what it takes to not be getting expensive piss out of my horse and see some results. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif SOOO, I think we'll be joining in the trials within the next few weeks.

Any updates out there?

[findeight]

I'll bite...

Mare is definatly stepping right out of the stall with no stiffness (despite the cold weather). I noticed she was forward at the walk right off the bat-something she never was before. Nice bit of suspension every stride at the trot too-again, something not seen that often.

I haven't jumped her yet (later this week) but the talented Junior who has been lessoning on her in my absence reports she is now moving up to the forward spot instead of seeking the chip and stayed cheerful in a difficult flatwork drill with counter leads and lateral moves. THAT is a big change.

This is not a mare that was ever unsound/lame and she is in a big show barn with constant vet presence.

I don't see that LubriSyn will help navicular, founder or soft tissue damage but it sure works on common aging and "treadwear" issues in a well managed horse with appropriate workload.

Sure worked on an obese and arthritic 11 year old cat too.
Have to say "Me Too" as my ankles and knees don't hurt up and down the stairs and bending is alot easier and smoother.
Do like it added to my moisturizer too.

Didn't do anything for the pinched nerve in the shoulder, as expected.

This stuff works IF joint lubrication is the issue.

[baywithchrome2]

My Hyalun is supposed to arrive tomorrow. I'll start it on my mare on Monday (of course, I'll be out of town this weekend). Thanks for all the wonderful feedback. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[Oldenburg Mom]

Well, the ultimate test is coming. RRB will be put on LubriSyn within 1 week.

RRB had a nuclear scintigraphy (did I spell that correctly?) 18 months ago that showed nothing but inflammation and arthritis. We're ordering today...and oh Lord, can we cross our fingers this will help him. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Because if not, I'm just at my wit's end. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[findeight]

Well, one of my trainers schooled the mare yesterday-hadn't seen or ridden her for a bit. Trainer was AMAZED at the difference since the last school about a month ago, I was pleased watching too.
She's tracking up much further, level and low in the lead changes and, as the Junior noticed, moving up to the forward distance all by herself.

Yours should do equally well assuming the diagnosis was correct and nothing else is going on.

[Alter Equine]

TULT - Day 19

My horse, as well as his barnmates, were been beseiged by ice Tues & Wed., so they missed their turnout and I missed my Tues. ride. They were turned out today and tonight I rode. I rather expected him to be stiff from the break in routine and confinement and was delighted to find that he was just fine. Perhaps a little keen for the very few jumps we schooled but otherwise just fine.

The trial continues.

[momofbeast]

I must have missed something - are you guys saying that you're seeing positive results after just a few days on this stuff? Please, it would be helpful when you give your updates if you would state what supplement (some seem to be hyalun and some seem to be LubriSyn) and what day (or week) you're in. I'm having a difficult time following who is using what for how long. Sorry, and thanks!

[welshcob]

One week on LubriSyn, 4 days at a loading dose of twice the daily dose. Horse coming back from 2 years off (horse has EPSM, had 2 months EPM treatment and has had vague undiagnosed NQR in the back/hindend)

This is week 6 of conditioning. Since the LubriSyn we have had 5 days of non-grumpy canter transitions. More freely forward transitions started with day 2 of LubriSyn. The last two days he has felt a bit tired, although willing.

Nothing like EPSM, EPM and a new "miracle drug" to have me agonizing over every possible reason for pos/neg evaluation of every step my boy takes......

Bottom line so far -- It "looks" like the LubriSyn at 15ml/ day is making a very noteable difference in my horse's attitude -- and hence I believe in his comfort level.

First dressage lesson in 2 1/2 yrs on Sat...... This gal has seen Gryff in his best and worst so I should get good feedback.

To be honest I didn't really think I would notice an immediate difference in my horse's way of going. Now of course I wonder if it was the double dose.... AACCKKKK.... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I should go back to dog training.... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Fessy's Mom]

momofbeast - TULT is the Lubrisyn and TUHT is the hyalun. And yes, people are indeed reporting results in the first few days! I was so excited by this thread that I ordered some Hyalun and it arrived today. I'm starting the loading dose tube tomorrow (three loading doses that are six times the strength of the daily Hyalun) and will post any results I see with Abe. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[McVillesMom]

TULT, Day 9:

I'm still not seeing a dramatic difference, but as previously stated, my horse was not having any real "issues" either...but there are some subtle things I've noticed. For example, he has always gone with his haunches to the inside in right lead canter. He really prefers not to use his right hind any more than absolutely necessary, thank you. Since starting the Lubrisyn, however, he is much straighter on the right lead than he used to be. May or may not be related. Like findeight, I've been pretty busy lately and haven't had much time to ride...will update again after the weekend.

[CHJoker]

TUHT: Day 8, approximately.

Well, we have had ACTION around here. I think I need to report an adverse reaction to Hyalun. My horse is trying to kill himself.

Last Wednesday, my horse decides the snow is fun, slips, and goes chest first into a gate, bending it. No swelling, no injuries, no lameness. He was a bit stiff, though. We are very lucky.

Thursday morning, according to the BO, at around 5 am, he gets cast in his box, and is pounding the walls with his legs. Then, when the BO gets him free, he leaps around, and falls on his knee http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif One seriously freaked out horse.

I trot him out for a soundness check, no lameness, a teeny tiny amount of swelling on the knee, the knee is a bit hot, and he is a bit stiff. We are VERY lucky.

Last night, again, I check for swelling, knee is still a bit hot, so I walk him for about 45 minutes, and cold hose all of his legs, and I give him another dose of the Hyalun, along with his normal ginger (I have given this for months, and the dosage has remained the same, but it is worth noting that ginger is reported to have anti-inflamatory effects).

This morning, still very good, looks like no further swelling. We are going to take it VERY easy for the next week, and I have the chiropractor coming tomorrow. I am sure that all this trauma can't be good for him.

But, I have to say, the BO and I were REALLY surprised at the lack of swelling. The BO said he was pretty banged up. I really don't know, as I was not there. I am just thanking my lucky stars my horse did not get more seriously injured.

[Oldenburg Mom]

TULT - day ... 8 I think.

Rode last night after 3-days off. Absolutely no issues whatsoever. NONE. NADA. Not even a little bit.

Plus, this is on the maintenance doseage of 15 ml. She is solid solid solid on her feet without any issues whatsoever.

The REAL test will be with RRB.

[findeight]

I am at about 3 weeks on the LubriSyn. No loading dose as she got a Legend shot at the same time.

Biggest differences are subtle but definate. Reduction of hind ankle edema/stocking up as well as puffiness around the hocks.
Reduction of stiffness walking out of the stall and the first few minutes under saddle.
Increase in stride, tracking up further and straighter.

A much more cheerful manner and softer eye and actually looking forward to work.

On Fat Cat, I noticed the same brighter attitude withing the first 2 days as well as the disappearance of a pronounced limp-after 2 weeks she is taking the stairs two at a time. I loaded her with 1cc a day for the first few days and now give 1/2cc about 3 times a week(not easy to catch her to give it).

I started on 5cc daily and dropped to 3cc. No sore joints and my kness and ankles don't hurt on stairs or hopping off the horse anymore. Mix a couple of drops with moisturizer and skin looks better.

[momofbeast]

Fessy's Mom - Thanks for the clarification!! As soon as I read what you wrote, it made perfect sense - don't know why I couldn't figure it out before. I'm amazed that there seem to be results so quickly - I'm sure lots of people have been using the powder HA for a while, sometimes at higher doses than the new liquids, but have never seen such positive remarks so soon after using a product. I'm even thinking of getting some Hyalun for myself - the years are catching up!!!!

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by momofbeast:
I'm sure lots of people have been using the powder HA for a while, sometimes at higher doses than the new liquids, but have never seen such positive remarks so soon after using a product. I'm even thinking of getting some Hyalun for myself - the years are catching up!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, I must agree. I had her on HylaMotion for almost three months and did not see the same results. I believe it must be the higher molecular weight. And I would like to think the more detailed manufacturing process.

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TULT - day 9 or 10 or whatever.

Worked again tonight. Wonderful enthusiasm. At one point I wanted her to move sideways. Tap tap tap with the dressage whip (not WHIP WHIP WHIP, just tap tap tap, like a little finger.) and straight sideways. Without hesitation. She is also becoming much more bendy ... what's the word I'm looking for ... SUPPLE ... because she can move.

Also, because ... whatever was hurting is no longer hurting ... she is starting to be more confident. And not so scared it's going to hurt but she has to do it anyway. Does this make any sense? Does anyone out there understand what I mean?

[findeight]

I understand exactly what you mean because that's one of the things we figured was going on.

Just the vague aches and pains of increasing age and treadware are smoothed out by this product.

[Alter Equine]

TULT - Day 21
I am beginning to think there really is a difference.

Trainer lunged him yesterday in side reins and described him as 'better than himself'.

That plus, no hitchy steps, he's being very consistent and forward.

I'm so glad to see that others are experiencing improvement.

[findeight]

Well, if it works????????????????

[WWCountry]

Findeight--Do you think you will still continue with the Legend injections periodically? I know your mare had one at the same time she started the trial, but does she feel better than normal after a Legend injection? I'm wondering if the LubriSyn will replace the Legend injections my horse gets before each show. It would certainly be cheaper! I will see my vet in 2 weeks but was wondering what you'll be doing. Thanks!

[findeight]

NO. I will not continue the Legend injections if the LubrSyn continues to show me what it has so far.

That's the point, establishing a consistent level of the HA in the system instead of a monthly shot.

Vet says the Legend shot starts to deteriorate in 36 hours.
I prefer a consistent level in her system...and that's the point with the LubiSyn.

She feels just like she does after the LEGEND shot EVERY day now on the LubriSyn..and it's been 23 days or so since that shot where I usually notice a deterioration a week after the shot.

[Oldenburg Mom]

TULT ... day ... aw, heck I haven't a clue.

Marvellous wonderful day.

She was so full of herself and UP UP UP, I had a difficult time getting her to focus. Not a bit off. Nothing. Nada. Sound as a dollar.

Maybe this stuff isn't so good after all http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[Fessy's Mom]

TUHT - day 2.

I'm sure I'm being WAY overly optimistic here, but Abe's had two loading doses of the Hyalun and there's no doubt it's already had a positive effect. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Brief history - Abe was one of the rescues from the huge effort by CANTER in Northampton this past fall. When the meet ended he was destined for the killers because he had chipped his knee. Long story short, he had more than two dozen chips removed from his right knee in October. He's been sound on and off at the walk, but dead lame at the trot since his surgery. According to the vet he's fully healed from the surgery and now just needs to restore his range of motion. He's currently on four scoops of Cosequin (down from six about a week ago) and I do physical therapy on the knee about four times a week.

Normally after we get a few inches of snow he gets sore from having to walk through the snow. But today he's walking sound even after running around like a nut with the others playing in the snow. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Now of course I really want this stuff to work so I'm sure you think my opinion may be affected by that, but believe me, I analyze this horse's stride on a daily basis (to the point of obsession) and I have never seen him walk this comfortably in or out of the snow.

I am VERY encouraged! I'll post again in a few days. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[WWCountry]

Thanks Findeight. I see my vet in 2 weeks for a spring oil change and will ask her about switching to the LubriSyn. Seems to make a lot of sense to keep the levels consistent and I could probably discontinue the Cosequin. Double bonus!

[McVillesMom]

TULT, Day 11:

Jumped my boy today for the first time since starting Lubrisyn. He definitely seemed more enthusiastic (but not crazy stupid) than the last time I jumped him (about 2 weeks ago). Last time he jumped everything fine, he just seemed a little "flat" or "dull". Today he definitely seemed more up. Also, for some reason today I wasn't missing distances like last time...I think it's very possible that it's because I had more engine underneath me and when I told him to really "sit" and wait, he did.

[Goldylox]

Is this Lubrisyn a paste or liquid that you add to their feed?
How are the horses on this "trial" liking the taste? Especially the picky eaters?
Calling my vet tomorrow a.m. to get it for my epsmer.

[McVillesMom]

Goldylox: Lubrisyn comes as a liquid or gel that is added to the feed. (I got liquid, dose is 1/2 oz/day.) Does not seem to bother my guy. findeight says it tastes like the glue on envelopes http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif

I work at a small animal hospital, so I ordered it for myself. We get it from the Butler Company, if that helps.

[Oldenburg Mom]

Supposedly it's oderless and tasteless.

Yes, I did taste it. It's a little salty, and the texture is gross beyond words. But other than that... they're right. Tasteless and odorless.

Beautimous Mare eats it without question.

BTW, anyone ... Navicular. Could this help?

[RAyers]

OM,

Are you asking if Lubrisyn would help navicular? I would highly doubt it. It is a very different condition than arthritis.

I hope you will compile the information on this thread over time (e.g. numbers of horses, outcomes, time, etc.). I would be interested to see what trends there are.

Reed

[Oldenburg Mom]

Oh...how interesting, Reed. I never thought of compiling the info. Perhaps a series of Polls ... for those that tried the products?

The only issue, however, is the different dosage issues. Maintenance I mean. 5 mgs vs 45mgs is significant.

re: the navicular issue. I didn't think it would help but thought I'd ask anyway. A young lady left the barn on Sunday, in tears, as her horse's navicular--although carefully managed--had progressed to the point where he was unrideable...and he'll have to be retired. Another quarter horse. *sigh* And he's only 11.

[CHJoker]

Hi OM..

No, probably HA won't really help navicular, but is the horse barefoot? If he is, is he getting a "high performance trim"? OR, if she refuses to try barefoot, maybe a good "natural balance" shoer? (I have no idea of what she has and hasn't tried...)

I have heard of really amazing results using a "high performance barefoot trim" (NOT Strasser, but more Pete Ramey, Jackson, La Pierre)...and the "natural balance" philosophy is very similar as well.

Just a thought. If the horse is anyway going to be retired...maybe it is worth checking out?

JMHO http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[baywithchrome2]

Does anybody know why the Hyalun package says not to give to pregnant mares? I just started my mare on it, but I'm planning on breeding her next month.

[Goldylox]

welshcob,
How much improvement has there been with your EPSMer on the Lubrisyn? How much has this"fixed" the problem?
Rush is fine most of the time on the flat, but we are not back to jumping like we were before. And for that reason alone my vet is considering ordering for me....I may have to find another vet if the one I use won't order.
Is there anyone else's horse with EPSM, that is on"the diet" that has added the Lubrisyn or the other drug, Hyalun?
I would love more info. on how this has helped those horse.
What is the largest dosage that anyone on the trial(or what is says on the instructions) has given with the Lubrisyn?

[welshcob]

Hi Goldylox and all,

Well.... It is so hard to say with the EPSM if all the discomfort was from the muscle problems or if some was from pain from joints etc... contributing to overall pain/discomfort...

My guy did have hocks x-rayed at the start of all this (2+ yrs ago now) There were very minor changes -- not much considering how badly he flexed at that time!! At that time and up to last summer, the vets hemmed and hawed about stifles, hip and sacro problems to be the cause of his "NQR-ness" Then there was the sore back - a symptom or was there a spinal problem???

All that being said I saw an improvement in his movement with Legend shots a year ago, in conjunction with beginning chiro treatment but before the diet change. However it only lasted a week or two and he only had 3 shots a month apart each.

Soooooo... I guess I can't really say anything but Gryff is doing so very very very well, 12 days on the LubriSyn. Again I gave him 30ml for 4 days and now he gets a generous 15 ml/day.

I will post a query for Dr. Beth Valentine on the Rural Heritage site and see what she says about EPSM and LubriSyn/Hyalun --will report back any info.

Sorry not to be more helpful.

Oh but the latest!! We did walk/canter transitions today!!!! They were not bad -- He did pin his ears briefly but NO SUCKING BACK, just stepped into the transitions. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[Fessy's Mom]

TUHT - day 3. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Just got in from doing Abe's PT and handwalking. First thing I noticed was that while he is usually sore right after doing the bending and flexing (slight head bob at walk for first minute or so of handwalking), he walked off sound after about two steps! And even more impressive was that today he marched right along on our way AWAY from the barn and was actually over-stepping by one hoofprint. I haven't seen him do that before. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I hand walked him up the road for about a half mile and then turned him around. On our way back I let him do an easy little jog for about 20 steps and he did not look like a sewing machine. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Now I'm nervous about cutting him back to the maintenance dose. I hope he continues to show improvement on it.

Will report back. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[McVillesMom]

baywithchrome2:
It probably says that simply because it hasn't been tested on pregnant mares. If they haven't done a study that includes pregnant mares, the manufacturer has to say that. So, there may or may not be harmful effects to a fetus...nobody knows for sure.

[amrose3]

Ok you all...after reading your stories I too just ordered my Lubrisyn...should be here at the end of the week.
Here's my story:
Horse #1: 11 yr.,15.2H, TB, raced til he was 6, campained fairly heavily in the hunters, did the 3'6" a couple of years and is now a 3' horse. Gets injected twice a year and gets Adequan 2-4 times a month depending on show schedule. Is pretty sound although can look a little stiff and jabby behind once in awhile. When sore will swing alittle behind. Has navicular although it has at yet caused us any problems.
Horse #2: This is the one I am really interested in seeing how much Lubrisyn can help. 9 yr old, 17.2H Oldenburg, shown moderatly..not as much as horse 1. Has also done 3'6" but only 1 year because moi doesn't always have an accurate eye mainly does 3'. Is just coming back to work. He has had some lameness issues for the past 6 months. Injected hocks 3 times since October and once in the previous June (still off) and after seeking 2nd opinion found out his stifles are the culprit. Seems they are going through some "changes". Injected those and horse is much, much improved. Got him out Sunday and he was off slightly but worked out of it after a minute. I still notice him take a bad step or two every now and again when I watch my daughter on him but she nor I can feel it. Vet says he will still have some bad days.
My Lubrisyn should arrive at the end of the week and I will let you know all know my results!
You all have gotten me so excited about this.

[Nancy DeMarco]

OK, I had to try it. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Lucy was given baytril as a 2-yr-old, and there was a possibility it would damage her articular cartilage. And she had injuries to her back and neck and hips and pelvis during a very, very bad colic. So, while she is sound, she tends to be weak behind and not all that enthused about hard work. She prefers to amble quietly down the trails, taking in the scenery.

After 3 days on the loading dose, I noticed her teeny hind windpuffs were gone. Today, we went for our usual hack, and she was, well, a LOT of horse. When asked to gallop, she galloped... and kept right on galloping rather than doing her usual, "Are we done yet?" after 50 yards or so. Usually she asks to take breaks on long hills - not today. Usually she starts looking like the "End of the Trail" about half way through the ride. Today she was UP and keen the whole way. She never hesitated, even in belly-deep snow.

It could be coincidence, but maybe not. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I've been taking it too, and I do notice a difference in my arthritic fingers and thumbs. I only did 3 horses today though, so we'll see if it lasts when I get slammed later this week.

[Oldenburg Mom]

Um...all you people adding your information.

Let's see if we can track this stuff a little better.

Can we start ...

Use the TULT or TUHT so we all know which you are using.

State the number of days on L or H--try and be accurate. Even I will go back and try.

Let's see if we can do a relationship scale. Here are the degrees of lameness.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">0: Lameness is not perceptible under any circumstances.
1: Lameness is difficult to observe and is not consistently apparent, regardless of circumstances (e.g., weight carrying , circling, inclines, hard surface, etc.)
2: Lameness is difficult to observe at the walk or when trotting in a straight line, but consistently apparent under certain circumstances (e.g., weight carrying , circling, inclines, hard surface, etc.).
3: Lameness is consistently observable at a trot under all circumstances.
4: Lameness is obvious at a walk.
5: Lameness produces minimal weightbearing in motion and/or rest or a complete inability to move.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok. Now let's see if we can relate that to results.

A - no change
B - SEEMS slightly more fluid with movement. Slightly less stiff. But difficult to tell.
C - Movement is noticeably better. Still not 100% but improvement is noticeable.
D - Movement is significantly better. Movement is easier, somewhat more flexible. Attitude seems improved.
E - No lameness issues or stiffness apparent. Movement appears to be the same as pre-lameness issue development.

[Oldenburg Mom]

So, here is my entry.
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TULT - 14 days (I think. I'll verify tomorrow.)

Lameness: 1

Results: D+

Comments:
She pinned her ears at the canter depart. Still no issue with the NQR...I don't see any favouring of any leg.

We DID work a lot Sunday evening on Canter depart, so she may be a little sore.

BTW, I have not given her ANY bute since she started on L. None. I WAS giving her approximately 2 grams twice a week.

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RRB will be starting tomorrow. HE will be a very good case.

Currently I think he lameness grade would be a 2+ Since it is present in all four fetlocks, there is no limping. BUT he walks like he's walking on eggshells.

First dose tomorrow.

Before he is given his first dose, his Caretaker, Beth and the barn manager, Barb, will take turns walking ... once so Beth can see the movement, once so Barb can see the movement.

First day dose, then a repeat for three days.

ISN'T THIS EXCITING!!!

[Fessy's Mom]

Okay, I'll play along. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TUHT Day 3 - see above for full description.

Lameness - 3/4 - 95% sound at the walk.
Results - I'll say C because he isn't under saddle yet and from the ground he's always happy! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Oldenburg Mom]

Oh, heck... people don't forget to tell your stories. That's the best part!!!!!!

[Nancy DeMarco]

For Lucy:
TUHT
4 days (3 loading dose with gel)
Started at a 0...
...and we'll give her a D. I'd go for E, but since she wasn't lame, it doesn't apply.

For Me: http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
TUHT (Hey - it's cheaper than the human version.)
4 days
Started at a 3 (sore under certain circumstances)
And I'll take a C. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Fessy's Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Oldenburg Mom:
Oh, heck... people don't forget to tell your stories. That's the best part!!!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You must have missed my story. In my post I said "see above", but by the time my post went up, the thread had jumped to the next page, so it's actually on page 4. I also posted about our "day 2" on page 3, I think. We're seeing phenominal results. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Aren't you even reading your own thread? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fessy's Mom:
Aren't you even reading your own thread? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course I am! I meant... going forward...don't just post the letters/numbers and not post the stories!

Sorry. As usual, the inarticulate fairy *bonked* me on the head. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"><span class="ev_code_RED">GREAT NEWS! You can order it direct! YIPPPPEEEEE </div></BLOCKQUOTE></span>

You can order directly from a distributor!

E-mail morgensternassoc@aol.com. The first time give your telephone number ... he'll call you back and you can place your order & give him your credit card.

If you want he can keep the card # on file so that the next time you order, your card is used and he doesn't need to call.

COOL BEANS!!!!!!

[CHJoker]

How much $$$?? You mean the Lubrisyn, right? in gel or liquid?

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CHJoker:
How much $$$?? You mean the Lubrisyn, right? in gel or liquid?http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whatever you want. Cool, huh? Ask for prices when you e-mail.

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This makes MY day...no more waiting for the vet!

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CHJoker:
How much $$$?? You mean the Lubrisyn, right? in gel or liquid?http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

e-mail orders@lubrisyneurope.com

[Kat the Horse]

I am so----jealous. I would LOVE to start Harmony, my senior Arabian mare, on this stuff--but there is no way I could afford to pay out $60-$80 a month just so she was rideable at the trot. Harmony has a 'big ankle' and it makes her a walk/sometimes trot trail pony only. She has a lovely trot, too--but it isn't something we ask her to do much right now. Still too cold--she's always a bit stiff.

And for me--oh, yes, that would be nice. I have knees that pop pop pop and aching feet, and my hands just whine from the arthritis. Soaking my hands in warm water every night feels sooooo goooooood--but you can only do that for so long.

I am reading this all with GREAT interest, so keep posting. Maybe it's time I bought my lottery ticket!

[Oldenburg Mom]

(pssssst. BTW, they created the e-mail addy just for us! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Cool, eh?)

[amrose3]

Sorry if I am alittle thick..but, what does TUHT and TULT stand for?

[Fessy's Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by amrose3:
Sorry if I am alittle thick..but, what does TUHT and TULT stand for? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

TUHT - Totally Unscientific Hyalun Trial
TULT - Totally Unscientific Lubrisyn Trial

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[Nancy DeMarco]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kat the Horse:
I am so----jealous. I would LOVE to start Harmony, my senior Arabian mare, on this stuff--but there is no way I could afford to pay out $60-$80 a month just so she was rideable at the trot. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The hyalun is way less than that. I just paid $29.95 per bottle, and I think the bottle is a month's supply.

This was from Equine USA Online. http://tinyurl.com/3ml85

[FalseImpression]

Could this also help ringbone? My mare is balanced trimmed but no shoes.
Is it available in Canada?
A.

[Goldylox]

Oldenburg's Mom....I can't get either of the sites that you posted to work!!!Please help!!

[Alter Equine]

TULT - Day 24

Lameness: 1 to 2
Change: B to C

My horse continues to be consistent. No hitches or funny steps and that after a weekend of jump schools that were a little more demanding than in the last couple of months.

One thing I noticed tonight, where he would pivot on his hind legs, if he could, when turned around in his stall, he picked up his hind feet properly tonight. Don't know whether this a big indicator of increased mobility or comfort but I shall continue to watch for it. Trainer will be giving him a school tomorrow and I know it will be more demanding than my little routine.

I'll report further on Thursday.

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Goldylox:
Oldenburg's Mom....I can't get either of the sites that you posted to work!!!Please help!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sweetheart, they're e-mail addresses, not websites! E-mail them. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Oldenburg Mom]

TULT - 15 days

Lameness: 1

Results: E

Comments:

She was UP tonight. I mean UP UP UP. She wanted to gogogogogogo. She was so up she had trouble paying attention.

What I did notice tonight is lateral work. I mean we aren't doing half passes at the canter or anything. Just simple walk forward, straight, and sideway.

She was so up and sensitive tonight that we did grand prix zig-zags!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif At the walk ... Little did I know that I could school grand prix movements ... thanks to LubriSyn. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif Great stuff.

[Goldylox]

O.k.(I am blonde http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif and all the results are demanding that I get this for the boy asap!
...Guess I was a bit overly excited....about going around the vet and not having to wait....Email is away !Thanks!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Oldenburg Mom]

Goldylox,

Please give us a brief history as well as rate him. That gives us a place to start!

[findeight]

TULT..day..oh...maybe 26 or so.

Lameness-.05
Result D+.

Can't go higher as she wasn't really lame, just hocky.

Fat Cat also day 26
Lameness 3 to 4.
Result EE

Moi too.
Lameness/soreness 2 to 3
Result C+ and improving.

[carolprudm]

I'm not going to advocate taking an animal prep yourself...however barn manager takes 5cc a day so I'm trying it at that level too. Just started-nothing to report other then it's not that bad.
QUOTE]
I get ConquerHA from Smart Pack for my husband. He seems to think it works for him. I give my mare Hyalun and it has made a huge change in her overstep.

[Goldylox]

Oldenburg Mom:
Brief history on Rush and his EPSM:
Been on "the diet"2 years in August.
He was 13 years old last month. Case of EPSM very bad. Was off 2 years in the pasture until I started the diet. He was REALLY off on the back right leg with the vets clueless.
With the diet he has improved on the flat. But their are still too many days of "weird" canter steps behind. Scrambling would be a good term.
Jumping is trotting only. Once in a blue moon will be rock back and launch from the hindquarters and really jump the fence.
So I am waiting for the Lubrisyn(TULT)to come. I ordered this a.m.
Degree of lameness: 3 (on a the flat)
4(jumping)

[Fessy's Mom]

Goldylox - first of all, I hope the lubrisyn works for your guy. He sounds like he needs a break! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Secondly, I was wondering if you could share with us the price they gave you for the Lubrisyn. You bought it directly from the company, right? Thanks! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[findeight]

There are several sizes, please post the size along with the price.

[Oldenburg Mom]

Ok. Herewith the latest on the TWO I now have on LubriSyn.

First ... Beautimous Mare

TULT - Day 16

Lameness: 1
Change: E

She had a good workout tonight with lots of cantering. Her canter-especially the depart-has become "cat like". Well, at least that's what it FEELS like. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif It's a pleasure and a real treat to ride her. Lord, I loff this mare. You know, I really think she might be that horse of a lifetime. I am so very very lucky. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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TULT - Day 1

Lameness: 2
Change: a

This is very difficult to judge, as RRB was seen by a very very competent chiropractor who did what chiropractors do.

He is more comfortable. Tracking is better than it has been ... but not that much. Let's see what happens. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[OakesBrae]

I'm going to disappoint you all...

I've been away since I started giving Andre Lubrisyn. Started giving it to him Friday, came to the barn anxious to see how he was doing and...

He pulled a shoe.

Andre (http://community.webshots.com/photo/297177922/297177922rsRDbb) the 17.2h, 1400 lb TB.

*sigh* Unfortunately this is his right front shoe that he has issues with so even though I longed him a little, I couldn't tell if there was any improvement.

One question, I can't seem to get my squeezy bottle to work. The Lubrisyn is too thick - anyone got any advice?

[Goldylox]

Is the gel working better than the liquid for people?

[CHJoker]

TUHT, day 15? 20?:

Not much to report, because the osteopath was here on Saturday, and I am under strict orders not to ride him for 1 week. We just do very light lunging and handwalking, and he is turned out. The osteo said that amazingly, everything looked pretty good. He also commented that the arthritic knee had a better range of motion than the last time he saw my horse. I then told him I had him on HA, and he was quite interested. He said to continue, because, why not? The arthritis seemed better.

All in all, Joker seems VERY comfortable, and is moving well.

The weather here is absolutely gorgeous, so I can't wait to get on my horse again, as we had so many months of cold and snow.

SPRING FEVER!!!

[Alter Equine]

TULT - Day 26
Lameness: 1
Change: C

Two more good, consistent rides. Trainer schools him tomorrow. I so love that the weather has become milder, about 36-38 degrees during the day.

Next report Sunday, after a schooling show.

[OakesBrae]

TULT - day 6
STILL cannot ride horse because though farrier came out and re-tacked on shoe, horses were turned back out and the ripping and tearing that commenced ripped off said shoe AGAIN.

SO,
My conclusion is that Lubrisyn causes mad ripping about and tearing and has cost my horse a shoe twice. In two days. *laughing* Really what I'm hoping it means is that he's not only feeling good, he's feeling GO-OD. But we'll see, I can't tell because I can't ride him sans shoe.

[FortheFunofitFarm]

Looks like you can purchase Lubrisyn online at http://www.horsepowerplus.citymax.com/page/page/1407417.htm

I'm waiting for my Hyalun to arrive as I had thought Lubrisyn was only available through a vet. I'll be participating soon!

[Fessy's Mom]

TUHT - Day 7

Lameness - back to a 4 http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
Results - maybe a B. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

Looks like I need to maintain the higher dose to see the better result. (I saw much better results when he was getting the loading dose of 30 mg HA per day for three days).

Well, now that you can order the Lubrisyn on line, looks like that's what we'll do.

Will report back...

Edited to add:

Wow! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif I just checked the Lubrisyn website and I didn't know that the daily dose is 45 mg per day! Geez, he did well on 30 mg a day with the Hyalun so I'm very excited to switch him to the Lubrisyn. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif In comparison ($29.95 for 30 5 mg doses to $122 for 60 45 mg doses) Hyalyn is a *cough* ripoff *cough*. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Gunnar]

OK you guys, I am joining your test. I ordered today from the website FM mentioned. 15 year old Bodie has been lame off and on for 18 months with knee surgery (ligament and cartilage damage) etc. I am hoping this helps. Legend and Aedequan have not made him sound, at least have not kept him sound during his rehab. He was a horse who I noticed that Legend wore off on. I could always tell if he was due for a shot. This was before his injury. He would be more liable to stop at jumps etc. I have him on some oral HA andMSM from Foxden(for IR horse) and he seems better on that so maybe more HA will help. I am excited about a daily product as I no longer have anyone to inject the Legend. I will report back next week after I begin the test. I assume I have to do 30ml (i am confused when you guys talk about mg when it comes in ml) for a loading dose. Did you guys load for 2 weeks, 3 weeks, a month?? Thanks for you advice and your diligence in finding sources for us who do not want to use their vet.

[EBO]

Gunnar, I think Hyalun IS <STRIKE>one</STRIKE> mg to one ml. Somewhere on the bottle it should tell you how many mgs are in one ml. JUST READ FESSY'S MOM'S POST. IT'S FIVE MG PER ML.

Good luck with this. I have two of mine elders on Corta-RX +HA, and I was surprised at how well it works.

[welshcob]

TULT Day 16

lameness 1

result D

Gryffin continues to improve! His "lameness" was more occassional not-quite-rightness but I think we're comparing the right things --

He was playing in the pasture today, snow sliding off the barn roof and all.... I have never seen him have such loft in his trot, with plenty of hind end thrust -- sigh.... Life is good : )))

So many thanks to you F8 for bringing this product to our attention!!!! I think this was a vital piece in my horse's puzzle of soundness issues...

[DebPaxhia]

Has anyone seen any research results on Lubrisyn and Hyalun?

How is this different then Conquer?

I have a young mare that hit her hip really hard in a pasture accident. Now there is a possibility that the sacroiliac joint has been damaged in some way. No one knows for sure because you can't bone scan or x-ray or anything the sacroiliac.

I am thinking about trying LubriSyn or Hyalun on her.

From reading here, I get the feeling that LubriSyn is the way to go. Which seems to be the best?

[findeight]

I think both are Hyalauronic Acid-HA. Hyalun is available in Canada, LubriSyn in the USA.

HA provides a moisture conductor to the joint and connective tissue as well as an anti inflammatory effect. Glucosamines actually provide the building blocks to manufacture the synovial fluid.
So you need both plus a good diet to actively manage joint problems.

Be aware that these work for joint lubrication problems only...they will not do a thing for other medical problems like fractures or fused vertabrae.

But it won't hurt to add it in. Conquer is HA but, since HA is absorbed and not digested like the Glucs??? The Hyalun and LubriSyn offer a more easily absorbed delivery system.

[Character]

I read this thread with a lot of interest and put my horse on it along with my dogs and cats...and myself too!

TUHT
Horse: 1-2 after 6-7 days, B-C. He trotted 3 whole trot strides on his front legs only. Back end was up during a bucking spree. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Also noticed that his stifles are moving very freely, and not catching. Will be interesting to see how this is long term.

Dogs and cats show very strong responses, especially with hair quality, even after this short of a time! They are older in their years, then the horse is in his years. The dog with the severe hip dysplasia and arthritis with spurring in his back is moving freer. You can see that the movement is off, but he's not as affected by it. His back is soft.

All my animals are on very healthy diets.

It's pretty neat! Does any one know if supplementing with HA would decrease the body's ability to manufacture it on it's own?

[Alter Equine]

TULT - Day 29

Lameness: 0-1
Change: A-B

Since my last report on my 14 year old warmblood, he had a school over fences with the trainer, a flat session with me and a schooling show of a warm up class O/F with trainer + 3 with me.

All I can say is that something very good is happening. I had a few moments of concern during my flat ride when he took a few funny steps but then he seemed quite normal. The schooling show, I can't tell what combination of my head being in the right place, horse's or him generally feeling more comfortable but we were very good for the first show of any kind since December.

Everything was little easier, the corners deeper, waiting. He was so easy on himself that after 3 back to back trips he was barely damp under the saddle.

[findeight]

As I understand it, HA production drops off in the aging body...like with Melatonin.

So the body is already not making enough.

I noticed the hair quality in Fat Cat getting alot better...maybe it's related to the moisture carrier thing and may be why it's turning up in cosmetics.

It is GREAT on chapped lips BTW.

Mare is frolicing like an idiot so it's a good and a bad thing I guess to get them really healthy http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Piaffe56]

I saw on "Good Morning America" this morning, women who have had HA injected into their faces. There were before and after pictures and the results were amazing!!! The women were injected (wrinkles, lips,etc) an hour before the TV interview by a cosmetic surgeon. It cost about $400-$600 a syringe.

[Crosstrainer]

Hi folks-

I have had problems accessing the website for Lubrisyn- can anyone help. It Just comes up "new products being added soon" but no shopping page. I have ordered the Hyalun for daughter's old campaigner, but seems as if the Lybrisyn is the better product of the two?

[Pleasure Rider]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Crosstrainer:

I have had problems accessing the website for Lubrisyn- can anyone help. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Have you tried http://www.lubrisyn.com or http://www.halstrum.com ? They both worked for me.

[roundbale]

Joining in with the TULT:
Horse #1: 8yr TB, has been stiff and a bit off since I got him Dec 03. This indoor arena season did him in and he became grade 3 lame in late Jan. Good acupuncture vet found him to be falling down painful on the right hind...which is reflected in headbob L front where he has an ankle chip and a beat up knee. So, OK, not totally accurate trial because we started him on a series of Adequan shots at the same time but as of Day 5 on Lubrisyn, horse is amazingly better. Who knew, his hips and hocks could actually move? He has gone from grade 3 lame to grade 1.5 and is up to a C in results. Woohoo.
Not so woohoo, Horse #2 is my sometimes spectacular sometimes extremely troubled EPSM horse. Been having trouble with him in shoulders all of a sudden. So figured, what the heck, maybe he has some joint issues along with all this other stuff......Day 5 no real change so he is a 1 and an A. I made a diet change on him, not a good plan.....will change again and stick with the Lubrisyn and see for a few weeks.
I really didn't expect results with him but I am thrilled with the results so far on athritis horse.....

[Goldylox]

Still on the look out for my Lubrisyn in the mail this week. Can hardly wait to try it out!

[Penthilisea]

Augh. You guys! I placed my lubrisyn order tonight. Quick question- should I discontinue the MSM?
He's on conquer powder and MSM through smartpacks right now and I have seen some improvements but I want to try one month of the lubrisyn because he has multiple joints involved but none really badly- xrays clean on stifles and hocks but clearly stiff in both when in for a day last week due to terrible weather.

So- stop the MSM?

[roundbale]

I am also wondering about staying with MSM. What about glucosamine? Would really like to do away with a supplement or 2.....

[Goldylox]

I think if we are going to do a true "test trial" I would leave everything like it is while you are doing the test.
That way you can know that there was only one more ingredient added to the mixture. Does that make since? Just an opinion here.....

[McVillesMom]

I'm leaving my horse on his MSM and Cosequin.

As far as my results (TULT):

Lameness grade: 0.5

Was never really "off", just seemed a little stiff and sometimes cranky. I always saw a big difference after he had Legend/Adequan, so I thought it was worth a try.

Results: C-D

Most of the changes I have noticed have been subtle. Not stocking up in his hind pasterns. Straighter in the right lead canter (actually had the best canter work he's ever had in my dressage lesson on Friday). Seems more forward and a little sharper off the ground when jumping. So nothing dramatic, but I didn't have any dramatic problems to start with.

[lakefieldhoney]

Can any one tell me what they are paying for Lubrasyn??? I tried the on line site and it seems to be down!

[titan]

character & findeight - do you have a recommendation for dosages specific for canines or if not how did you decide what to try. I purchased the hyalun and would like to try it with my 135lb canine train wreck (one plastic hip & 2 metal knees). Thanks for any suggestions.

[PaulaM]

Well, I have only just found out about Hyalun and as soon as I can get it I will be putting Canasta, my 21 yr old OTTB mare on it. Her history is that she got kicked in her left hock in 2000, our vet at the time injected the hock joint without first taking x-rays so ended up injecting around bone chips, etc. We switched vets found out exactly what was going on with her, bred her, got a beautiful filly followed the next year by a wonderful colt. She is pasture sound and last year we did manage to ride a bit and show, however, residual discomfort from the hock injury flared up and she was retired. We have been having problems with stiffness in the joint since August. Showing up in the form of reluctancy to bend the left hock to either get the hoof cleaned or for trimming from the farrier, even with getting 2 grams of bute for 4 days prior to the visit.

Canasta lives outside 24/7 as well.

[findeight]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by titan:
character & findeight - do you have a recommendation for dosages specific for canines or if not how did you decide what to try. I purchased the hyalun and would like to try it with my 135lb canine train wreck (one plastic hip & 2 metal knees). Thanks for any suggestions. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I do 1/2 cc for my Fat Cat at 16 pounds-when I can catch her-1cc when it's been awhile.

My barn manager is about 125 pounds and takes 5cc herself...I'm about a hundred and..er...more...and take 3cc daily with great effects.

My guess and recommendation would be a loading dose of 5cc for 4 days then 3 cc a day. Best delivered by syringe or eyedropper right on the back of the tongue to control dosage.

Barn managers dog is elderly, blind and probably deaf, couldn't get out of the house to poop.

After a month on the LubriSyn he's exploring the yard http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[titan]

Thanks F8. Glad to hear of your success stories. I'll give it a whirl too.

[SmlHpy1]

Hi! I don't post on this board very often. I read most of this thread. I was wondering if one of these supplements would be good for my horse. He's a 10 yr old OTTB. He has changes in both hocks and the changes are more rapid than normal according to the vet. I haven't had a problem with him being lame though. I put him on Hylamotion. However, I haven't noticed much difference, but I'm not sure I should because there's nothing visibly wrong to begin with. However he doesn't seem to play as much in the pasture as he use to? So I'm wondering what you all think about Hyalun or Lubrasyn for him? And I've lost track through all the pages on this thread where you can get each of these from? Thanks a bunch!

[Fessy's Mom]

SmlHpy1 - you can only get the Lubrisyn from your vet, but the hyalun is carried by most horse supply companies like Valley Vet, etc.

The Hyalun is a much smaller dose and therefore cheaper than the Lubrisyn so I'd start with that if I were you and see if you notice a change. Good luck! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Gunnar]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FortheFunofitFarm:
Looks like you can purchase Lubrisyn online at http://www.horsepowerplus.citymax.com/page/page/1407417.htm </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

FYI, one week ago I ordered Lubrisyn on line for 2 day delivery. I have not received it yet. Has anyone else had trouble? I have not contacted them and was curious?? They sent a email response when I made the order.

Thanks

Stephanne

[Goldylox]

Gunner,
Still waiting for mine.
I emailed them about it and they are FLOODED with orders.
They just asked us to be patient with them. Mine is suppose to be here next week. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[Gunnar]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Goldylox:
Gunner,
Still waiting for mine.
I emailed them about it and they are FLOODED with orders.
They just asked us to be patient with them. Mine is suppose to be here next week. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks I am being patient!! I know we are all going crazy ordering.

[Goldylox]

I'm impatient, too! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif
Just think...we may have the "cure" for a lot of our horses problems and yet, they were not prepared for fanatics to mass order from them!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[McVillesMom]

OK, I'm definitely starting to think this stuff is doing something. I had another wonderful dressage lesson today. We seem to be finally having a breakthrough in canter...for the first time today when we did canter lengthenings and I asked him to come back, he didn't get against my hand or poke his nose out or stick his head up in the air, he just...CAME BACK. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif All of the upward canter transitions are suddenly a lot better, too. I don't know if it's really the Lubrisyn (he has been getting a dose of Banamine once a day for a few days, for a gouge in his head, but the good stuff has been going on longer than that). I hope everyone else gets the same good results! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Oldenburg Mom:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"><span class="ev_code_RED">GREAT NEWS! You can order it direct! YIPPPPEEEEE </div></BLOCKQUOTE></span>

You can order directly from a distributor!

E-mail morgensternassoc@aol.com. The first time give your telephone number ... he'll call you back and you can place your order & give him your credit card.

If you want he can keep the card # on file so that the next time you order, your card is used and he doesn't need to call.

COOL BEANS!!!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bump with the information for folks so you don't have to go through your vet. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[mrs.smith]

OM, how is RRB doing on it? We have a similar horse in our barn, and I can't wait to see if it helps RRB.

[Oldenburg Mom]

RRB is doing very very well. I have not posted about him as I have been out of town.

The other issue is that he needed to be adjusted by the Chiropractor...and that also made a HUGE difference. I did not want to post any information on him as I could not be SURE which was making him better.

Having said that, I am convinced that this stuff is the closest thing you can come to a miracle drug. Well, at least for joints.

Beautimous Mare has been on it now for almost 3 weeks...the maintenance dose. NO issues whatsoever. And she is off all other supplements. And hasn't needed bute since I started her on it. WOW!

[Sannois]

OK Will this end my supplement hell?? I was about to post yet another jooint supplement thread! AGHHHHHH! But I saw this stuff, I believe its Hyalun sp? in the Valley Vet Catalog! Its pricey, but I decided who cares! I need something that I will see results with for my 17 yr olds hocks. Surpass?? Eh! Dont see much difference! I cant bring myself to get cosequin as the BO refuses to cover back up the supplements, hence they are probably losing there potentcy. So the way you guys are raving its well worth the money! Can I do this INSTEAD of getting his hocks injected???

[Penthilisea]

I paid 66.00 for the one month supply of Lubrisyn, and it got here in 3 short days. Tonight is my first ride on it ( although the other rider said he was terrific yesterday, if still pokey).
I doubt it was the L though- he started Sat am.
Updates as they come. And he is staying on his MSM

[Kelpie]

Just curious (and I confess, I have not read all the pages in this thread), but what do you think of the composition (see below) of Actiflex4000, compared with either Lubrisyn or Hyalun? I am on the verge of deciding about hock injections vs. an IM injection of adequan or legends vs. some other form of supplementing so am wondering if what I'm giving is already comparable to either of these new products. What are your thougths?

Thanks!!


Per oz. Per lb.
Glucosamine HCL 6,000 mg. 96,000 mg.
Chondroitin Sulfate 4,000 mg. 64,000 mg.
MSM 2,000 mg. 32,000 mg.
Ester C (Ascorbic Acid) 1,000 mg. 16,000 mg.
Perna Canaliculus 1,000 mg. 16,000 mg.
Sodium Hyaluronate (HA) 125 mg. 2,000 mg.
Yucca 150 mg. 2,400 mg.
Bioperine 100 mg. 1,600 mg.

[Lord Helpus]

I got behind in my reading of this thread, and so -- forgive me if I am being totally redundant. Fell free to refer me to approximate PP up thread where my questions have already been answered.

This is as far as I have gotten:

Hyalun 10 cc's = 30 mg's of HA. Cost for this in the loading dose = $24.00 = $8.00/day!!!!!


Hyalun 90 --- is ??? mg/day. 90 day supply for $81.00 = $.90/day which is excellent, but how many mg is there is a dose?

Lubrisyn is made right here in Lexington and I just talked to the company. I told then that Butler was non responsive to calls and, if I could not drive over to their offices and buy direct from them I was going to buy Hyalun which was cheaper anyway. The woman said, "Oh, but Hyalun is less than half the strength of Lybrisyn so they really aren't cheaper at all!"

Is that true?

How much does a horse really need?

Will Halstrum decide it can sell to me directly?

Will Monica wake up from her coma and discover that her brother is the father of her unborn child?

Stay tuned!

[Goldylox]

Lubrisyn arrived today and Rush will start on it tomorrow.
If everyone looks http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif at Oldenburg Mom's email address that she lists....it might be helpful in getting to it faster.
So I will be reporting in on the results after the next few days and see how things go!

[Critters Everywhere]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by findeight:
[Well, I do 1/2 cc for my Fat Cat at 16 pounds-when I can catch her-1cc when it's been awhile.

My barn manager is about 125 pounds and takes 5cc herself...I'm about a hundred and..er...more...and take 3cc daily with great effects.

My guess and recommendation would be a loading dose of 5cc for 4 days then 3 cc a day. Best delivered by syringe or eyedropper right on the back of the tongue to control dosage.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Findeight, do you mean that you're taking 3 times the horse's dose for yourself? 1cc=1ml


Edited to say:
DUH! I'm an *idiot* I was getting the manufacturer's dosages of Hylaun & LubriSyn mixed up. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif (you would think I would have figured that out since I dole out the LubriSyn every night & one dial is definitely more than a cc!)

[Goldylox]

Curious if anyone out there has left there horse on the loading dosage of the Lubrisyn?
And.....
What is the most that people are giving dosage wise with this for the entire day?

[Fessy's Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lord Helpus:
I got behind in my reading of this thread, and so -- forgive me if I am being totally redundant. Fell free to refer me to approximate PP up thread where my questions have already been answered.

This is as far as I have gotten:

Hyalun 10 cc's = 30 mg's of HA. Cost for this in the loading dose = $24.00 = $8.00/day!!!!!

Yup.


Hyalun 90 --- is ??? mg/day. 90 day supply for $81.00 = $.90/day which is excellent, but how many mg is there is a dose?

5mg/day

Lubrisyn is made right here in Lexington and I just talked to the company. I told then that Butler was non responsive to calls and, if I could not drive over to their offices and buy direct from them I was going to buy Hyalun which was cheaper anyway. The woman said, "Oh, but Hyalun is less than half the strength of Lybrisyn so they really aren't cheaper at all!"

Is that true?

Yes - actually, the Lubrisyn is 45 mg daily as opposed to only 5 mg in the Hyalun. Works out to be MUCH cheaper. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

How much does a horse really need?

No idea. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Will Halstrum decide it can sell to me directly?

I'm sure they will eventually.

Will Monica wake up from her coma and discover that her brother is the father of her unborn child?

EWWwwwww! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif

Stay tuned! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hope my answers are of some help! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Lord Helpus]

Well, having been too lazy to read the thread and get the email addy (above), I ended up the same place tonight. Jeff Morganstern called me, as a result of my calling Halstrum earlier today, and we had a long (1 hour) talk.

The deal is:

There are 3 distribution networks for Lubrisyn:

Through vets -- Butler
For Racetracks -- someone else
For Show and pleasure horses -- Jeff Morganstern = Morgansternassoc@aol.com

There are different ways that the product is sold:

as a gel
dial a dose

Liquid form
Pint -- 30 day supply + 3 day loading dose = $66
Quart -- 60 day supply + 2 loading doses = $120 (=$60/month)
Gallon -- 256 day supply + loading doses = $380 (=$47/month)

NB: Jeff said that a horse who has puffy legs will start to show less swelling and tighter legs after 5 days. But the company does not make any claims as to instant results. They say that in 3 weeks you should see a difference.

The people dose is 3 cc's/day. The company that makes Lubrisyn is also licensed to make drugs requiring FDA approval and the standards and quality control are very high. His wife takes it for chronic pain and has been able to stop taking daily advil.

Oh -- and HA is one of the building blocks of Collagen. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif That's why those women get it injected for megabucks. It is also used during plastic surgery because it lessens scarring and speeds healing of the incisions. I asked him what would happen if I wiped some around my eyes every day and he didn't know. But, for $30 it might be worth finding out. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I have Jeff's phone number if someone wants to call him directly. But I bet he will answer emails promptly. He seems like a conscientious kind of guy. He was on the phone with me until 9:30 tonight.

[welshcob]

Day 26 Lubrisyn

I reordered through my vet -- seems the price is right -- getting the 256 dose this time...

Gryffin today -- after 5 days off due to snow, rain and me out-of-town, and after pulling both front shoes, apparently while I was gone - playing in the muddy sloggy mess...... --- I digress... He had *fabulous* walk canter transitions, lovely easy lateral work. I'm starting the LubriSyn myself, and for my German Shepherd.

We go in for a vet and chiro appointment (same clinic different vets) this Friday. I will be singing praises for this product.

[Sannois]

PLEASE I know I am butting in but could this stuff be the answer to my prayers??? For my geldings hock and my KNEE??? I found the hyalun In Valley vet! just as good?? I am tired of feeding supps that dont work. Please help!

[Lord Helpus]

No, this doesn't test.

It is the Ethelyne Glycol (sp?) which is the carrier in (e.g.) Conquer which is a masking agent and, so, makes Conquer a n0-no for competitions.

Lubrisyn is pure HA and saline. I think that Hyalun is also, but I do not know that for a fact.

It will be interesting to see if the 5mg in the Hyalun is enough HA. If it is, then the 45mg (9x as much!!!) in Lubrisyn is overkill and a waste of money.

But, for now, I'm going with the Lubrisyn. I am a "if one is good, then 2 is better" type of person. No point is messing around with a low dose if there is a product with 9x as much in it for only 2x the cost.

[bumknees]

mm ok read all 8 pages and have a question for those who are using this.
my guy has some serious issues with his ankles. old abused oscolets. I am wondering if either one of these things may help him to be comfy. If he becomes rideable w/o pain that would be wonderful but will not go in expecting it kwim...
just debating with my self if I should try this when I can afford it ( funy how money issues appear when there is only unemplyoment comming into the house) assuming my vet can get it at a reasonable cost.

[carolprudm]

Does anyone else here also use Smart Packs? I use Hyalun and also Missing link through Smart Pack. I have been asking Smart pack to start carrying Hyalun but so far they have not. If more of us ask maybe they will start carrying it. It sure would make my life easier.

[Sannois]

OK Well since no one will answer, What the hell I am going to order it! Where do you get the people stuff from??

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Oldenburg Mom:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Oldenburg Mom:
[QUOTE]<span class="ev_code_RED">GREAT NEWS! You can order it direct! YIPPPPEEEEE </div></BLOCKQUOTE></span>

You can order directly from a distributor!

E-mail morgensternassoc@aol.com. The first time give your telephone number ... he'll call you back and you can place your order & give him your credit card.

If you want he can keep the card # on file so that the next time you order, your card is used and he doesn't need to call.

COOL BEANS!!!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bump again. This stuff can be ordered from him... you do NOT need to go through your vet!!!!

Second, I have taken my girl off ALL other supplements and she is fine.

Third, the maintenance dose, according to the patent, is 45 mgs.

Fourth, for the oscelets person ... RRB has that and it looks like, for him, it's done the trick.

Sannois... E-MAIL THE ABOVE E-MAIL ADDY.

Kelpie...JMHO, I'd give this a try first before spending more $$$s on stuff that isn't needed. But this is JMHO.

Golylox ... I have Beautimous Mare on the maintenance dose and she's fine. I DO give her more when we've had a big workout...I guess just preventative. But she's fine on the maintenance dose.

Hope this helps ...

[Kat the Horse]

Well, I can answer to the question about "the people stuff". I started taking Synthovial 7 on Thursday of last week. I started a thread on this--wanted to know if anybody else had done so, and their results. Mine are there to read.

Synthovial 7 is available at online at www.syn-7.com (http://www.syn-7.com). I got 3 bottles for $35.85 each, with free shipping. I ordered them Friday--they came today. I'm putting my mother on this stuff immediately for her osteoarthritis.

[Goldylox]

On the earlier page I do have to argree that Jeff is very nice and helpful. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif I got my Lubrisyn from them. Out to the barn to dose Mr. Rush http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Bugs-n-Frodo]

Ok, I am coming into this thread VERY VERY VERY late, but I wanted to tell my story, so here goes.

History: Bugs is an almost 19 year old TB mare whom I got off of the track as a barely 4 year old. She came to me with a knee chip, but the previous owners had the removal surgery done on it. Shortly after I got her, she got chased out of her stall by another horse, who was a master at opening other horses' stall doors. (The owner never believed me until this happened) She came out of that issue with a broken pelvic tip, after I found her that day in the pasture, where she was not supposed to be, in shock. (I don't know the technical name, but it is the point just above the hip on both sides.) So, after TONS of pain meds, and PT and patience, and stall rest, and tears, my mare recovered. I put her into training. I started out gradually, and worked my way up. She started in dressage but we changed to hunters, and I did the same with her jumping heights. Started out small, and SLOWLY worked my way up. She showed a lot in the hunters, and a bit in dressage. Fast forward to when she turned 16. She started to show arthritic changes and pain in that knee. I retired her from showing. She was not all out lame, but had days when she was stiff. I decided she had earned her retirement though I did ride her lightly and on trials. I bred her at 16. She had Frodo at coming 17. After Frodo was weaned, I brought her in from the pasture one day and she was COMPLETELY THREE LEGGED LAME! I thought she had some kind of neurological thing going on. I was terrified. She was walking sideways and in so much pain. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif I had, up until this point, had her on Equinyl CM. (except when she was preggo, she was on plain Equinyl) I was beside myself with grief at seeing her like that. My vet came out, we did X-rays and everything. I put her on bute and did some research. I found Hyalun (http://www.equineusaonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2199&osCsid=1bcb4ef9a39eaf52cd1fd1eabdcf9940)
at KV VET. I read up on it, and it's ingredience, then decided to give it a try, along with B-L solution to get her off of the bute powder. She has been on the Hyalun for a year now. She is not longer on Bute or B-L solution, though I do keep them around, JUST INCASE! I have not needed either. She has been doing very well. I am relieved and thrilled for her. She has spent many a day acting like a four year old again. Running around her pasture, tail flagging, snorting, and just plain being a GOOF! There have been days when she has been tough to handle, acting like a crazy TB walking down to the starting gate. While I don't like her acting like that, it warms my heart to know that she feels THAT GOOD! I do ride her again, VERY lightly. We do some walking and some short trotting. She is not the mover she used to be, but she is certainly not at her worst either, or in pain. She feels good, she is happy, I am happy. I just wish she and Frodo were here in California with me and not still in Maryland. (That is a whole other story though)

So, for all of you testing out these products now, I can attest to the Hyalun, after having my beloved mare on it for a year. She is doing WONDERFULLY! I only wish you guys could have seen how much pain she was in before and how much this stuff has helped. It is a tremendous relief for me, and for Bugs. I was REALLY concerned that I was going to have to put her down, even though many folks told me that something could be done. I was devistated, but I am a happy girl now. That is proof for me. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Gunnar]

Bugs and Frodo thanks for the success story. It gives me hope with Bodie who has knee issues. I am still hoping for the best.

To the rest of you I cannot find how many days you did the loading dose for Lubrisyn. My horse has not been on Legend for 4 months. Are you guys loading for 1 week, 2 days or what?

I am starting my TULT today and want to be sure to do the correct loading dose.

Thanks

[Goldylox]

Loaded Rush this afternoon after looking at welshcob's posts.
I did 30 this afternoon, but I guess I could break it up to 15 a.m. and 15 p.m.
From welshcob's post she said that she loaded for 4 days with good results. So I thought to follow that.....

[Gunnar]

GL, thanks. I am starting tonight at 30 ML for 4 days and then 15 ML forever I guess.

I paid 122.00 for 32 OZs from the horsepower site.

[katamount]

I've read all 9 pages, but can't seem to remember reading whether anyone is still giving other oral supplements with HA. (For example: Kat is on HylaSport.)

If this works as well as you all say - YIPPEE! Thanks all for sharing!

[bumknees]

I think I'm gonna print and save this entire thread and print out new pages when they come up. that way when I talk to my vet I can show him this and related information.
I can not order it directly because I do not have a CC. for many reason but the major on is many CC companies do not feel that enlised military is a 'real job' so dh and I gave up trying to get one many years ago.

[Alter Equine]

TULT - Day 37

I thought it was time to provide an update as I had not since Day 29.

Continued good results. Nothing but positive behaviour. We have been doing lots of gymnastics and he is happy and jumping very well. He feels free and relaxed. Comment tonight from trainer - his form is excellent and even better than usual.

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gunnar:
I paid 122.00 for 32 OZs from the horsepower site. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey, can you give me the link?

For those wondering about loading doses, the company that manufactures the stuff suggested one week.

Beautimous mare continues to be wonderful. The only issue I have with her now is that at times she is not eating her feed (she has decided she doesn't like flax http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif) so I'm going to switcht to the tube you squirt directly into the mouth.

[Sannois]

Thanks Bugs and Frodo, You sold me!!! Ordering after work today!!! And thankyou to whomever posted the info on the human stuff! My knees need it BAD! and its worth a shot! Thankyou so much! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Kat the Horse]

Now I feel pretty DUMB, but I put my elderly Arabian mare on the Corta-FLX HA because it was massively on sale at Tractor Supply: A quart and a pint for $39.99. I know, I'm cheap, but my husband insists that I limit my horsey spending to just half our gross monthly income. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif

I used the tube for the loading doses, and she is on 1/2 dose twice a day; she started this last Saturday. I cannot say she is jumping around and being silly--this mare is FAR too much the DIVA to eva' do that! But she is walking with a bit more 'spring'. I'm looking forward to seeing how she is doing by this coming weekend.

I needed to put her on something that would replace ALL the supplements I had her on, especially the vitamens and minerals, because what the BO insists on feeding is crap dusty oats and whatever hay he can find--even if it's cow hay! I therefore make sure Harmony and Shianne both receive 3 cups BOSS, a good feed balancer (the name of which excapes me now...) and Harmony gets a probiotic to help her tummy.

I'm still singing praises for the Synthovial 7, also!

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> We need to thank findeight... especially ME for bringing this new "wonder supplement" to everyone's attention.

THANK YOU, dear. Because of you I now have a completely sound horse instead of a pasture ornament.

Bless you. You've done your good deed for the century! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Bugs-n-Frodo]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sannois:
Thanks Bugs and Frodo, You sold me!!! Ordering after work today!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your VERY welcome and GOOD LUCK!!!!!

Katamount, I don't have Bugs on anything but Hyalun and BOSS. (Black Oil Sunflower Seeds)

[findeight]

Oh, why, thank you http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I started this because I respect the horseman who told me about it and gave me a quart as a freebie.
I suspect he is the "racetrack guy" distributor mentioned earlier.

For Lordhelpus..
I use it with my moisturizer and it seems to make my skin smoother-certainly don't need more then a drop.
And it cures chapped lips in about 3 minutes.
Think it has to do with delivering moisture either externally or internally...and my skin as well as the BMs definatly looks brighter.

Fat Cat continues to bounce around like a kitten and has lost a long time problem with dry skin, dandruff and constant shedding. That is just now showing up after...what??? Almost 8 weeks now.

Far as the horse?
She was the perfect test subject. In a regular vet supervised joint maintanance program, we knew that arthritic changes in the hocks were the culprit. She was on a monthly Legend shot, only had her hocks injected twice in five years but it was getting obvious we needed to go to at least annually and that concerned me greatly.
Orally she was on GLC5000, MSM and a hoof supplement with daily Bute if needed-and it was needed almost daily the last few months.

After almost 8 weeks, she's as good as the day I bought her-if not better. She's brighter overall and looking forward to work. Looking for the forward distance instead of the chip and staying low on her lead changes. Her back ankles still stock a bit after a hard work and night in the stall but not like before where it was a daily thing.
I"m SOLD on the stuff. So's the BM who is suggesting it for others as well as others who have taken lessons on her (been too busy to ride)then gotten it for their own horses.

So, what to do now that I know it IS the LubriSyn that makes the difference?

Starting today I will tell the BM to drop the daily Bute.

I'm going to call SmartPak and redo her daily supplements to just Missing Link (only one of my cats will eat it and has a sparkling coat)and the cheapest of the hoof supplements-name escapes me...Shoer's Friend maybe.
That's ALL.
She hasn't had a Legend shot since the day she started the LubriSyn...for those that missed that, we didn't use a loading dose because of the injection.
I hope she doesn't need another anytime soon...or ever.

Far as replacing hock injections? I HOPE SO.

And yesterday was her 16th birthday...I think she got a great present this year.

Happy Birthday Marge http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Gunnar]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Oldenburg Mom:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gunnar:
I paid 122.00 for 32 OZs from the horsepower site. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey, can you give me the link?

For those wondering about loading doses, the company that manufactures the stuff suggested one week.

Beautimous mare continues to be wonderful. The only issue I have with her now is that at times she is not eating her feed (she has decided she doesn't like flax http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif) so I'm going to switcht to the tube you squirt directly into the mouth. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OM I used this:

http://www.horsepowerplus.citymax.com/page/page/747464.htm

But I notice the site is not currently functioning. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif Their email address is horsepowerplus@aol.com if you want to email them.

[amrose3]

My vet was out today with my bottle of Lubrisyn and recommended loading for one week.

[CHJoker]

Hi Guys,

sorry about no update... I broke my leg and ankle last week, had surgery, and just got out of the hospital a few days ago.
However, I have contacted the company regarding Lubrisyn in Europe, and I will be getting some in the next month or so.
I am reading/following the thread with great interest! My dear horsie gets a LONG vacation, with my friends looking after him..but his workload has been dramatically decreased, and he will be a (mostly) pasture potatoe for the next few months.

I might be trying out some of this Lubrisyn stuff on myself!

[OakesBrae]

Oh my CHJoker - hope you're okay!!!

[Fessy's Mom]

CHJoker, I'm so sorry to hear of your injury. Jingling for quick healing and recovery for you. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

I'm going to pick up my Lubrisyn this afternoon from the vet. Can't wait! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Will report back in a few days. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[CHJoker]

Thanks guys!! It just occurred to me, I am going to be a bit of a "pasture potatoe" too for a few weeks...
It is nothing short of amazing how fast things can change, and now I realize how much I took for granted (in many ways) http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Goldylox]

CHJoker,
Sooo sorry! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gifTake good care of that leg.You don't want problems with it in the future!!

A first update on Rush(the EPSMer) after second dose at loading dose: I can't tell any change. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif Not one thing different.... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
But I am loading for a week after seeing earlier post.
How long before I see some change, be it bad or wonderful? He does love to eat it!
Tried to take the bottle away from me the second time I dosed him http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[Gunnar]

CHJoker hope you are ok maybe you need some Lubrisyn!!!

TULT day 1

L= 0 or 1

Results= B+

He felt great but it is early on. My horse is rehabing a knee surgery and is on very light work. I did trot him last night and it was all good.

Yahoo.

[Alter Equine]

CHJoker, so sorry to hear of your injury. Hope you have a speedy return to action. Do you think Lubrisyn will help you after? LOL.

The season of mud has struck and my dear horsey lost a shoe so will be getting his show season alumunum's about a week earlier than planned. I look forward to seeing if there is further difference with the combination of his summer hoofwear and Lubrisyn.

[Gunnar]

TULT Day 2

L = 0 or 1

Results = B++ only because he was not actually lame before.


My horse felt great yesterday. What else can I say!!!

[roundbale]

TULT Day 12 or so:
EPSM horse, no real change, so my only real take on that can be that he doesn't have joint issues bugging him, just muscle issues.....and possibly spring time red TB issues
HOWEVER, arthritic, kind of lame TB...not lame anymore, had his first short lesson, (all flat, no jumping),in 2 months Wed night and trainer could not believe the difference in him. Besides, the obvious, horse no longer limping, He was happy and willing, his hocks actually bend (who knew), his back was swingy and even with snow falling off the roof, he was not flakey. We are ordering more lubrisyn!

[Crosstrainer]

Daughter's old campaigner/eq horse is doing fabulous after a week on Hyalun. Used to come out shuffling and stiff and is coming out swinging now. He also used to swap off the left lead constantly and today he didn't do it once. He is always enthusiastic about jumping, but would come up slightly off on l/f (ringbone)after a day over bigger fences- needing bute. We have just been popping him over some x's lately, but he seems smoother, easier and more relaxed. When I got on him a few days ago, I could feel no discernible difference left to right in trot behind, which I always used to- even when he was on bute. His hocks seem markedly improved. He is also on Absorbine Flex and Accel Lifetime.

[Goldylox]

How many EPSMer's are out there doing the test trial with the TULT?
Roundbale.....
welshcob.....
Who else?

[welshcob]

I posted this update on the Rural Heritage site (EPSM related)

Gryffin saw the chiropractor today, it's his 6th visit in 11 mos. The first 3 times were before he was biopsied for EPSM and hence before the diet change. His neck, back and pelvis were all a mess. The adjustments didn't hold (except for the poll).

We had an appt last Oct after about 3 months on the diet and he was much less reactive but still had a lot of adjustments.

Fast forward to today. 8 1/2 months on the diet and 2 months of dedicated fitness work -- Vet/chiropractor was so impressed by how he looked, the appearance/consistentency of his muscling and there was hardly any adjustments needed!!! As he said -- just a little clean-up, no train wreck!!!!

I mentioned that Gryffin had been on LubriSyn for over 4 weeks - vet didn't say much on this -- but that's not unusual. I thought it was noteworthy that my horse for once didn't leap around or rear or paw during the appointment!! (Hi-jinks are not unusual, he's a drama king at times for anything -- farrier, vet, grooming etc....)

As an aside, it's my day 4 on 5cc LubriSyn -- my back pain is at least 75% gone, coincidence??? I'll keep you all posted!!!

[Kat the Horse]

Please note: I'm using Corta-Flx HA, not LubriSyn or Hyalun. However, I chose the Corta-Flx HA because it was offered at a super price and the HA amounts were comparable to that offered by Hyalun. I have no idea if it's 'high molecular weight' or 'low molecular weight'. I just saw "Hyaluronic Acid." http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I started my 21 year old mare on the Corta-Flx HA last Saturday. Harmony has always been a very laid back Arabian. She is kind, loves kids, and likes to lead on trail rides. She has a big ankle that is seldom a problem as long as she's booted and has on her Old Macs for road walking.

This last winter was the first full winter I've had her. I'd noticed she was stiff in her hocks, and didn't 'move out' as freely as she had during the summer. Naturally, all the kerfluffle over LubriSyn & Hyalun compelled me to try SOMETHING for her--I can't afford $70 a month--so I tried the Corta-Flx HA because there was an excellent deal on it at TSC. I did the loading dose with the tube paste.

I last saw Harmony on Monday nite. Tonite I was able to get away and spend some quality time with both my mares. I and Harmony took our customary stroll across the pasture--however, it certainly was anything but a sedate amble as usual! Harmony wanted to trot--so we trotted. She was full of animation, throwing her head and generally behaving like a silly foal. She actually tried to take off into a canter--unheard of! I finally just unsnapped her lead and let her go--whereupon she cantered nicely around the pasture perimeter, head tossing and then she slowed to the most extended, animated and long-legged trot. It was swinging and wide open and totally beyond anything I'd EVER seen her do. I have NEVER seen this mare move this well.

So I'm ordering a bottle of Hyalun when I'm out of the Corta-Flx HA, and beyond the Show-Glo and Opti-zyme, we'll call it good. We'll see if that keeps her in shape.

[CHJoker]

I too have seen results with the Hyalun, but it is only 5 mg per dose, and the Lubrisyn is 45 mg per dose, with hyalun at about 30 dollars a bottle, and Lubrisyn at aprox. 60.

I have decided to go with the Lubrisyn, and give it at a smaller dosage. I can give 10 mg per day of the Lubrisyn (1/4 daily dose) and it will be cheaper overall.

Of course, I might just use up the rest of the Hyalun on myself! Why not?? My poor broken bones probably need as much help as possible http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Keep the updates coming! Once I have started myself on the stuff, I will give firsthand reports on how fast my leg/ankle is healing, and how the pain is going....

[Penthilisea]

TULT Day 7:
Original Lameness grade 2/3
Two seperate issues, issue I: Stiff hocks- very stabby when he is kept in for a day due to very bad weather. Issue II: Stifles weakness and short strided from the stifle on on hind leg.
Issue I Result: C
Issue II Result: B

I put Mr Harvey horse in the indoor for an hour and half last night since the torrential downpours kept him in all day- hocks were MUCH less stabby then they were a monh ago when the same thing happened. I am going out to ride today so I may have an update on Issue II after I ride.

[Drifter]

I have been following this thread with great interest and broke down today and called the guy from Lubrisyn and placed my order! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif Thought it is worth a try! I want to give it to my older TB
ex-show horse who has a little arthritis and I think he may have a little stifle issue, although x-ray's look good. Been doing the stifle strengthing exercises as the weather has been better. On Adequan and supplement now. Just sounds like this stuff is worth a try. I will give you my impressions upon receipt and after a few days on it! Thanks for all the information though! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Gunnar]

TULT days 3, 4 and 5.

L = 0

Results = A

Stuff seems to do the trick!!!

[Fessy's Mom]

TULT - Day 4. (Brief recap on Abe - recovering from chip surgery from which he's been very lame on and off at the walk - horrible at the trot. Showed definite improvement on the loading dose of the Hyalun, but regressed on the maintenance dose).

Lameness - 3/4

Improvement - D. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I have not been doing the loading dose because he was on the Hyalun (5 mg/dose as opposed to 45 on the Lubrisyn) - vet agreed. Just like in the snow, he doesn't like moving in the mud. But today he's walking around like there's NOTHING wrong with him. I took him for his handwalk/jog after his PT and he trotted with the slightest of headbobs and overstepped at the walk by two hoofprints.

Yup, this stuff is pretty incredible. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[Penthilisea]

not enough time to write it all up but I sat on Harvey today and he was a lot looser then usual- bigger softer strides at all gaits. And he had been ridden a lot less this week due to craxy sgceduling, so this is a very nice improvement!

[Oldenburg Mom]

A couple of things ...

First, I am going to try and compile the information in this thread. Yes, we all know it's anecdotal, but as far as I can see there is only ONE person this stuff hasn't helped, and that was an EPM horse. This is not surprising, I think.

Secondly, I'll post the stuff here as a PDF you should be able to download for your review. Please correct whatever I get wrong.

As far as both my guys ... Beautimous Mare is sound. RRB has improved so much that the vet said "I want him ridden on Sunday." It's been almost 2 years since the vet said that.

[Critters Everywhere]

History:
15 year old appy mare, @14.3-15h, arthritis in right hind (both stifle & hock) causes extreme muscle pain & spasms through the back and haunches. In addtion to the usual traditional vet tools, one of my vets uses a lot of accupressure & accupuncture. She did an accupressure test on this horse...test strokes basically anywhere from her withers back caused enough to reaction to just about drop her to the ground.

Previous treatments include Corta-flx (absolutely NO effect), Cosequen (at 4 scoops a day helped enough for her to play hard but still not rideable, any less than 4 scoops a day had no effect), bute (allows her to keep her leg flexed for the farrier, but even a week on it doesn't allow her to be ridden).

Results: After 10 days on LubriSyn, she seemed more comfortable and the dip in her back (http://community.webshots.com/photo/213943968/213943968BVRXbG) caused by the tight/sore back muscles seemed better. But you know that whole 'hope springs eternal' thing... So last night the vet came out to do spring shots & I asked her to take a look at her. Vet said she is definitely walking better (in spite of being overdue for the farrier & ripping off her frog on one foot a week ago http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif) Then she did the accupressure test again. The ONLY reaction was a small area about 8" long by 4" wide on her left lower back. And even that wasn't as severe as it had been.

So we're excited! I'm now going to try combining a week's treatment with Robaxin and the LubriSyn to see if we can get that last muscle soreness eased. Keep your fingers crossed!

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Critters Everywhere:
So we're excited! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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[knz66]

So, after reading all the pages "whew!"

Has anyone compared the Hyalun to the Lubrisyn head on???

[ser42]

I was wondering that myself. I just ordered the Hyalun 90 day to start, just to see if it helped. Then maybe I'll switch. But yes, I'd like to hear whether one is better than the other in effectiveness (I know the dose is different though).

[Mariequi]

I'm not of the need currently, and am not reading through all of these (wish it was around for my old mare), but I think Clinton Anderson (Downunder Horsemanship) sells it on his web site.

[Goldylox]

Updating....the loading peroid should end tomorrow for Rush.

TULThttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifay 6

Lameness-On the flat: was a 3---now down to a 2.
He will move forward without angry face and nashing of teeth. Canter still a bit stiff.
Have also noticed that he LIKES to be groomed on the back right hip. The EPSM diet never really fixed this.
I have not jumped him yet....
I also wonder if I continue on with the loading dose how much better will he be say in a week?

[RioTex]

Started Hyalun yesterday. Will probably switch to Lubrisyn when I finish what I have ordered if I see something. Horse is not unsound (but has reason to be), so I am not completely sure what I am looking for, but I guess I will know if I see it (or if I start a thread about a concussion from being bucked off in the corner.)

Thinking about Lubrisyn at 1/2 dose since it has so much more HA than the Hyalun. Need to do some more reading before I try that (and talk to my vet). Great thread, thanks for the anecdotal evidence.

[Fessy's Mom]

TULT - Day 7 http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Did Abe's PT and he was much less fidgety when flexing the leg and was able to get more of a bend today. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Then let him trot around the arena for a few minutes and was thrilled to see him really extending that leg and moving really nicely (although still off), not to mention the fact that he's perfectly sound at the walk now.

Front shoes go on tomorrow, so we'll see how he goes with those on. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Whoopeeeeee! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[welshcob]

Well I just bought the gallon jug of LubriSyn. Eight months for the horse but as I and maybe my mom and my German Shepherd are taking it too, a bit less.....

Gryff has never felt so good, and strong -- a friend asked me yesterday what I felt was the biggest factor in his coming back -- after 2 years off -- I feel first the EPSM biopsy and diet change, then the chiropractic work and LubriSyn are tied for second!

I rode at our local equestrian park, x-c courses through intermediate, and am actually thinking I'll be jumping again within a month or so....

Never in my wildest dreams before the LubriSyn....

I have been taking it one week myself -- I can hardly describe the difference in my back -- there is virtually NO pain, anytime!!! It was noticeable that there was difference the first 5 days..... but since then I can bend down to pull on my socks, hoist some 4x8 plywood sheets, and turn to look behind me while in the saddle --- and live to tell!!!

Miracle drug???? I vote yes....

[ol' QHJumper]

Thanks to this thread, I started my 23 year old QH gelding on Hyalun. NO lameness issues, but in the last year has begun to show his age-- stiff coming out of the stall, short behind when starting work, looking for the close distance when jumping, etc.
I know some are worried about the lower mg/dose of Hyalun, but I can DEFINITELY say that it has helped Leo. Starting about 3 days after the intial dose, he began trotting out of the stall in the a.m. ... and now throws in a few bucks to boot.
When I'm warming him up, or watching him be ridden, he has started overtracking from the outset-- where before, he would be about 6" short, and eventually work into an overstep with LOTS of walk and trot.
CHJoker's idea of ordering the Lubrisyn but giving it at the Hyalun dose for cost-effectiveness is interesting-- may have to look into that!
I have to say that I was certainly skeptical to begin with... but Leo pony is out terrorizing the pasture again (and launched himself for a very reachy distance to an oxer in a lesson tonight-- which he had been more hesitant to do lately!), so I have to say that the stuff works for him.
Thanks COTH for bringing my old man out of the cobwebs! Should all go well, we'll be doing some low-level jumpers this season just to show off. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif
Leo looking Dapper (http://community.webshots.com/photo/296322597/304349133WIujcg)

[Drifter]

Got my Lubrisyn yesterday. On my way up to give my boy his first loading dose. We shall see. I'll keep you posted!

[AWIP]

Thought I'd jump in.

Started the mare on loading dose Hyalun on the weekend. Something is definitely going on with it.

- Definitely moving more freely
- Coming into the base of fences and rocking back better. Not as quick across the ground coming into fences either. Historically this horse has preferred to come in quick to fences. This is the slowest and steadiest I've seen her and over some of her biggest fences ever!

I can attribute some of this to a change in riding from last weekends clinic, there's more going on. She's been pretty 'puffed up' too, bouncy, very full of herself and feeling good.

I too am likely going to switch to the Lubrisyn and use it at half dosage. That wouldn't be far off from the Hyalun loading dosage and significantly more then the daily dosage.

[Oldenburg Mom]

Compiling data on this thread ...

So far, 56 unique people have posted on this thread.

Some have not offered data, e.g., RAyers, but have participated. This will be noted on the spreadsheet.

I'm going to try and summarize as best I can ... I think the best way is like this... using me as an example.
----------------------------------------------
Oldenburg Mom

Product -- L

age of horse -- 5

Dose: 30 ml loading for 7 days (90 mgs), 15 ml thereafter (45 mgs)

NSAID day 1 - 5 mgs bute per week
NSAID day 15 - none
NSAID day 30 - none

Activity day 1 -- flatwork (beginning dressage)
Activity day 15 -- flatwork (beginning dressage) and one or two jumps once a week
Activity day 30 -- flatwork (beginning dressage) and serious jumping training beginning one a week.

lameness rating day 1--1
lameness rating day 15 -- 0
lameness rating day 30 -- 0
----------------------------------------------

I will try and glean this information from the posts.

RAyers, since you were the one who got me on this tear, can you offer any additional suggestions?

[Laurierace]

I was so intrigued by this thread that I called my vet's office and had them order me a gallon. They had never heard of it so they had no instructions for me. I saw on the label it says 15ml. I see here someone said to give a loading dose of 30ml for a week, are both of those correct? Do I dose them or put it in their feed? Once per day, correct?
I have many horses, but there are two in particular that I am really hoping that this will help. Neither of them are "lame" as I never train lame horses, but they could both be traveling more comfortably.
Thanks for your help.

[Oldenburg Mom]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Laurierace:
I was so intrigued by this thread that I called my vet's office and had them order me a gallon.[/
QUOTE]

Loading dose--30 ml for one week. I put mine in the morning feed (15 ML) and 15 in the evening feed.

I put it in her feed. It's tasteless and odorless.

Can you enter your data as follows?:

age of horse --
Dose:
NSAID day 1 -
NSAID day 15 -
NSAID day 30 -
Activity day 1 --
Activity day 15 --
day 30 --

lameness rating day 1--
lameness rating day 15 --
lameness rating day 30 --

[Laurierace]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Oldenburg Mom:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Laurierace:
I was so intrigued by this thread that I called my vet's office and had them order me a gallon.[/
QUOTE]

Loading dose--30 ml for one week. I put mine in the morning feed (15 ML) and 15 in the evening feed.

I put it in her feed. It's tasteless and odorless.

Can you enter your data as follows?:

age of horse --
Dose:
NSAID day 1 -
NSAID day 15 -
NSAID day 30 -
Activity day 1 --
Activity day 15 --
day 30 --

lameness rating day 1--
lameness rating day 15 --
lameness rating day 30 -- </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can enter the date that way if you like but it won't be very meaningful I don't think. I don't train on bute so that is a zero and they aren't lame, so that will be zero as well. What I am hoping to see falls into the Not Quite Right category, kind of crabby, hitting the ground hard, not warming up as quickly as I would like etc. Do you maybe want to make me up a NQR scale?

[Sherry in CA]

Have a 23 y.o. Peruvian gelding who has diagnosed hock arthritis & looks to have possible ringbone. I have tried the typical glucosamine & chondroitin, MSM & recently have had him on Chondrogen EQ which has HA as well as glucosamine & chondroitin (in powder form)....all for many months at a time- no change. The ONLY thing that truly works for him is bute. I only bute him occassionally, and when I ride locally. He is not lame, but is very stiff coming out of the stall, and actually will hop every now & then when ridden down-hill. I assume he's not completeley fused yet...though he should be. I really would like to see him more comfortable.

I have the vet coming out this Sat. to do an overall exam & flex test on my Peruvian mare & to take ultrasounds to check for DSLD. She is fine & shows no problems- she's 12; this is just a precaution. By the looks of it, I really don't think my gelding's problem is DSLD either. But, a last ditch effort with Lubrisyn will be definitive, I think, as a joint lubricant would not help a case of DSLD (soft tissue).

I will ask the vet his opinion on the LubriSyn; I think it's possible that the Chondrogen just doesn't have enough HA in it. Will let you'all know if I go ahead & purchase/try the LubriSyn.

[Oldenburg Mom]

Sherry,

Good luck. I think part of the difference with LubriSyn is the molecular weight.

Suggestion: Get the gel not the syringe thingie.

And don't forget they've got a money back guarantee.

[Fessy's Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Suggestion: Get the gel not the syringe thingie.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I actually prefer the syringe because my horse is a grain dribbler and I never know if he's actually getting supplements I mix in his grain. So I just hollow out a carrot and squirt the Lubrisyn (3cc's) in and he gobbles it up! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Just a thought for those of us with dribbly TB's. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Gunnar]

FM I have been worried about this too. I give Bodie his liquid in his beet pulp. As I watch him slurp it up and see the liquid coming out of his mouth as he chews and slurps I wonder how much of the L is in the soil. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Are the chickens at Penny Lane all benefiting from it? They love his beet pulp bucket and eat what he drops. They are all sound!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I was wondering if anyone had put Liquid Lubrisyn in pellets way before they are fed. Would it soak in or be stuck in the baggie he gets his small amount of TCL? I cannot be there to add it to that feeding. Bodie is picky about wierdo things and will not eat most supplements, except in his beet pulp, so I put most of them in that snack.

[*Simply Irresistible*]

I've read through all eleven pages of this thread (took about 2.5 hrs w/interruptions http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

The question I have is:

Is this okay to give to a retired, 28-yr-old mare?

She's been retired for several years now because of arthritis in her front right coffin bone joint. Last spring the vet prescribed 1g of bute every other day or as needed. He noticed that she is starting to get arthritic in her hind end (compensation for the front lameness). This past winter I noticed that she doesn't move around as much, is VERY stiff, stocked up, etc. I don't like giving bute because it's hard on an older horse's kidneys.
I would just like for her to be comfortable & she doesn't seem to be. She's definitely not herself.

She is currently on LMF Senior and 2oz of Glazen-Lite.

I only ask because it seems everyone is using it on young horses or older horses who are still being worked. I would just like for her to be comfortable, nothing more.

Thanks!

[McVillesMom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by *Simply Irresistible*:
Is this okay to give to a retired, 28-yr-old mare? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think the only reason not to would be financial considerations. I have seriously considered starting my retired mare on it also but she's really not doing badly (severe hock arthritis, but seems to feel OK in general...also on MSM and Cosequin). I just can't afford to have 2 horses on it right now, and since my gelding is still competing, he wins. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I know NOTHING I do is going to make her sound enough for regular work again...but if she were having trouble getting around, etc. I would definitely put her on it. I think it would certainly be preferable to bute on a regular basis.

[*Simply Irresistible*]

Thanks McvillesMom. Money is tight but whatever I can do to help my old lady feel better is worth the money http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif Actually, she's been very low maintenance considering her age and all.

I just rescued a 6-yr-old mare last month that has a shoulder lameness that I'd like to try the Lubrisyn on also. She's also just a pasture ornament (a buddy for the old lady) but I would like for her to be comfortably sound, too.

Thanks goodness my filly is sounder than sound! I'm not sure I could afford too many more pasture ornaments!LOL http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Do you all think it would be possible to do the start up dose for 4-6 days, then switch to the maintenance dose for about a week, then give the maintenance dose every other day? Since I would be giving it to my "pasture ornaments" they really wouldn't need it every day, would they?

And, would you give it to a horse who shows no lamesness, no stiffness, etc. as a preventative measure (we're talking about a 3-yr-old who is only doing ground work stuff)? Or would you wait until they started showing signs or weren't quite right?

Thanks again!

[Goldylox]

Gunner,
I have some large gel caps that I feed Rush his Cosequin in.
I can try tonight and see how the gel will work inside the cap.
This would make it easier for me if I can do the dosage ahead of time and put in his supplement baggies to feed him.
But he does love the taste of it, but I too, have seen the dribble.
I'll get back with the results...

[Gunnar]

Goldylox, thanks for responding. I am not aware of the gel caps. Maybe the gel would be better than the liqiuid for when I order again. I too want to add to baggies. I just do not want to waste that expensive stuff. Bodie is a hay dunker so he is always dribbling.

[LessIsMore17]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by findeight:
I understand exactly what you mean because that's one of the things we figured was going on.

Just the vague aches and pains of increasing age and treadware are smoothed out by this product. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am very new to this thread, but your use of the word "hitchy" describes my horse. I was wondering if you were having hock problems with him and if he sometimes stumbled behind while working. This is what my horse, 13yr, OTTB, does and he's on Adequan IM once a month. Can you tell me more about your horse's hitcy-ness.

thanks!

[Goldylox]

Gunner,
I buy the empty gel caps, then add the powder and will try liquid Lubrisyn. Sorry I wasn't clearer...

[Gunnar]

Goldy, no problem. I understood but was not aware that one could buy these capsules empty. that is a great way to feed supplements. Not sure it would work with the liquid&gt;

[findeight]

Well, here we are at about 8 weeks.

Mare is off EVERYTHING except the LubriSyn..and she was on a bute a day-that stopped about 10 days ago with no need to go back to it. I suspect it might be to her advantage to get some bute after hard work-she spent one entire day out in the field running around like a fool. You bet she was stiff and sore the next day and pretty dull the day after that. Rebounded nicely after that...she is still 16 and this is a great help but not the be all end all in managing the active, older horse. We'll add a bute the evening after anything strenuous from here on. But otherwise that's all she'll get.

Her new SmartPak drops the expensive glucosamine/chrondroitin in favor of Missing Link plus glucosamine, keeping the MSM and Shoer's Friend. If the flax based Missing Link works, we can drop the hoof stuff in a few months.

So my monthly maintainance bill has gone from $90 Legend IV + $69 in oral supplements to just about $70 a month for the L and $40 from SmartPak. When this batch of LubriSyn is gone, I'll get the gallon and that will drop the cost to about $40 a month and less then $100 a month total for supplements/meds.

And she has NEVER moved as well in the 5 years I've had her.

[Oldenburg Mom]

Ok boys and girls. A few setbacks...maybe.

Beautimous mare has been given two grams of bute over the past two nights.

I THINK the reason is the jumping. She LOVES LOVES LOVES it and gets excited. PLUS, I think some of the off-ness is muscle soreness, not bone soreness.

Additionally, the syringe makes me nutz. The little black marks are not clear enough ... and the amount of the liquid is so tiny I can't tell if she's getting it.

So... I've gone back to the gel, which kind of glops on the top of her feed. She's fine with that.

Let's see what happens next week. I'm still working on this ... to perfect the system.

[findeight]

Hey, we posted at the same time with a similar problem..they feel TOO good and get too active.

Not that bad a problem http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Oldenburg Mom]

findeight ... what are you doing? jumping?

Oh, and before I forget, longterm, I think these guys need to be on chondroitin, is that correct? The reasoning, I think, is that the HA increases the amount of fluid in the joint, but the chondroitin actually manufactures the cartilage.

HELP. Any vets out there? What's the story?

[Fessy's Mom]

Not a vet http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif but mine told me to definitely continue the Cosequin for what I remember was basically the reason you stated.

[Laurierace]

Ok, I am trying not to cry here! I got my gallon jug of Lubrisyn yesterday. This morning I took a clean water bottle with a lid and filled it up so I could take that to the horse on the farm. I took the rest of it to the track. I get home this afternoon and my nine year old daughter is drinking water out of that same bottle. She dumped the "water" out and filled it back up with cold water. I don't even want to think about how much that cost me.....

[Fessy's Mom]

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif OMG I would have freaked out! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

How awful, I'm sorry that happened to you. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif My worst fear has always been knocking over my jar of Cosequin when I'm fixing my horse's dinner. Thankfully it hasn't happened yet. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

[welshcob]

Oooh.....that hurts -- worse than when I had measured the dose on the one side of the dosing jug -- and then took the cap off the "other" side and glugged I don't know how much into Gryffin's soaked feed.... it comes out the "live" side mighty fast!!!!

Gryffin is doing very very well -- t-minus 4 weeks till we start jumping again -- providing he continues well till then.

I am doing miraculously well (10 days @ 3cc/day) --- NO PAIN in my lower back for the past few days, I am so optimistic that I'll be able to discard the "cowboy slouch" I perfected in the last year... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Tap2Tango]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by welshcob:
Oooh.....that hurts -- worse than when I had measured the dose on the one side of the dosing jug -- and then took the cap off the "other" side and glugged I don't know how much into Gryffin's soaked feed.... it comes out the "live" side mighty fast!!!!

Gryffin is doing very very well -- t-minus 4 weeks till we start jumping again -- providing he continues well till then.

I am doing miraculously well (10 days @ 3cc/day) --- NO PAIN in my lower back for the past few days, I am so optimistic that I'll be able to discard the "cowboy slouch" I perfected in the last year... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just noticed this thread but am too lazy to search through all 12 pages to find my answer, are you using one of these products on yourself for your back?? Please tell me all details!!! I was just told by my doctor to find a new career because my back is getting so bad.

[Pocket Pony]

If indeed you do need to also supplement with Chondroitin, then would it not make sense to buy a supplement that has both the HA and the Chondroitin? Has anyone had success with a combo supplement like that?

And what is the "magic number" that you're looking for when shopping for an HA product? Is it in terms of g or mg, or something else entirely?

[findeight]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Oldenburg Mom:
findeight ... what are you doing? jumping?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah. I just CONFIDENTLY jumped a genuine 2'6" course including oxers for about the first time in 6 months (since before she got hurt followed by me getting hurt), kind of a complicated roll back excercise...and dam that felt good to smile over every fence because they looked so tiny and press to the next http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. Been awhile.

Mare's been used by a friend's A/O daughter with that 2'9"ish restriction-meaning she can school the odd 3' fences and lines but not on a regular basis.
Juniors with horses on "sick leave" also do her hacks and take the occaisional lesson when my work schedual interferes (alot lately). She jumps twice a week max.

So she is pulling an honest load. But it was HER idea to run around in the mud ALL DAY last week.
Next time she'll get a bute when she comes in from such nonsense

[Fessy's Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pocket Pony:
If indeed you do need to also supplement with Chondroitin, then would it not make sense to buy a supplement that has both the HA and the Chondroitin? Has anyone had success with a combo supplement like that?

And what is the "magic number" that you're looking for when shopping for an HA product? Is it in terms of g or mg, or something else entirely? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No offense, but that is entirely the point of this thread. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif The Hyalun (5 mg per dose) and Lubrisyn (45 mg/dose) are high molecular weight HA. I have no idea what mol. wt. Conquer (or any other HA product) is but it did diddly for my horse and the Hyalun (what I tried first) and now the Lubrisyn are doing wonders for my horse.

In my opinion, and correct me if I'm wrong all you other "Lubrisyn Believers", but the HA in these two products is as effective as injectable HA, i.e. Legend.

So unless (until?) they come out with Lubrisyn with chrondroitin/glucosamine in it, you have to use separate supplements.

[Pocket Pony]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">No offense, but that is entirely the point of this thread. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I understand the point of this thread...it just seems like the chondroitin part of it wasn't brought up until just the last page. And, if I understand this thread correctly, LubriSyn and Hyalun are straight HA. Just looking for some clarification on how to get the best results possible.

[Kat the Horse]

Well, I currently have my order mare on Corta-flx with HA, which says it has a 'Low Molecular Weight HA, and I AM seeing a big difference in this mare! She is moving like a horse half her age--and maybe half that! In fact, she is feeling so well, that her exuberance during our last (and I do mean 'last') ride was nearly beyond my riding abilities. This is a mare that my daughter trailrides--and I do not believe she is 'trailride-able' right now!

I think I'm cutting her dose from the 1 ounce a day (given 1/2 ounce each in two daily feeding) to 1/2 ounce, just in the ayem.

She's an 21 year old Arabian, who suffered a leg injury sometime in the year previous to my owning her. She was rather sketchily saddletrained and thats about it from what I can tell. I rehabbed her from Februry 2004 and she just came rideable last fall, and was a steady trailride, who served as that 'experienced trail horse' for my younger mare and the big gelding I ride also. When she was leading out, they both were calm.

I have no idea what I'm going to do now that Harmony has become so 'spirited'.

[Penthilisea]

Glucosamine and Chronidriotin are different buolding blocks for joint fluid. The body may or may not take them in, and make joint fluid.

When we inject the joints we put something in there to lubricate the space- HA.

Because all of them go to the same place but in more or less effective routes, there is no need to double dose if you find one that works.

MSM on the other hand in an anti inflamatory- might be worth continuing.

Corta flex, chrondegn etc all while good products do not have the speicific formulation of Hylaun and Lubrisyn. If they work for you, thats terrific. Some horses need just the right stuff to see a result- hence I wasted oney on cotra flex ha and chrondegen EQ for years and now am Thrilled to spend twice as much on Lubrisyn.

[Goldylox]

An up date.....TULT:
Gunner:
Putting the liquid in the gel caps is not possible. I wasted 1 dose just to try it out.
If there was a paste of this, it might work better in the gel caps.

O.k. Emailed Jeff and decided to continue at the loading dosage and see if Rush will go sound.....completely.

Flatted him last night.."Mr., I don't want to go forward!"Took the change across the diagional AT AN EXTENDED TROT!!!!!
All by himself...I just asked for forward, which he hasn't done in years!!
He came from behind and really was on the bit and just floated!!!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Just like before when he had no problems!!!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif
Well, I was so shocked, I got left behind and we hardly made the turn in the corner!
This is day 9 at the loading dose for a very bad EPSM horse.
On lookers said the funniest thing they had seen in a long time was the look on my face crossing the diagional!
I had to make him stop working because he wanted to keep going.
I now wonder about how the TULT affects their stamina/conditioning.
I haven't been able to do that much very regularly with him and he wasn't winded after the warm up lung, or the 25 minutes of dressage.
I will admit that the canter is still stiff on the right side.....but he is now at least trying to do it.
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifI'm just SOOOOO EXCITED!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I'm going to really have to restrain that desire to take him over some jumps.
He needs more muscle behind, no matter what he thinks he can do at the moment.
Waiting to see more updates!!

[Oldenburg Mom]

Lord, how I wish this was a public company. I would have bought a ton of their stock.

She's back to normal ... happy and content.

LOFF LOFF LOFF this mare.

[CHJoker]

Hi! Just checking in. Well, I have been taking Hyalun 5 mg per day (aprox). About 2 days after starting, I forgot to take my pain meds.. and I haven't started back on them..ie, I haven't really had any serious pain... I don't know if that is normal or not... It is almost 3 weeks post surgery, and I started on the Hyalun about 1 week ago.

My physical therapy seems to be going well...too SLOW, but I guess I can only heal so fast..

Will keep everyone posted on the progress. I figure the HA is one of those...can't hurt, might help type deals. I also take my multivitamins, and try to eat as healthy as possible! I know my body has to heal several fractures, and I want EVERY advantage possible http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Goldylox]

CHJoker,
Make sure to use the positive mental images.
I swear it made my broken ankle heal faster a few years back! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[Tap2Tango]

So for the people that are taking this, do you use a human version or the horse stuff?? Tell me!!!!!!

[welshcob]

Tap2Tango and all -- I take the LubriSyn from the same bottle as my horse!!

I am too lazy to try to look for and order People Stuff http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It works, I went on a 2 1/2 hr trail ride with my daughter today, lots of cantering/galloping (windy - http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif) Absolutely no pain in my lower back......!!!!