LubriSyn & Hyalun TRIAL CoTH "results" -- pg 22. HA Aids in Tendon Repair ????

[LessIsMore17]

I just love it when someone on the board attacks someone for a particular comment made.... oh well, nature of the boards I guess.

Lester continues to do well. He's pack'n on the muscle and trimm'n down nicely. We don't show anymore so I go through phases of really working and then not so much. But I think he's building up so quickly this go around with regular work because he is so "comfortable" in his body now that he can relax more and not compensate in odd ways for the discomfort.

I never noticed this change before with the Adequan or Legend, my vet said it was working, but I really never saw it.. I love being able to see and feel the difference. I started out with the gel, but will have to go with the liquid next time as the gel melts in this awful heat and I don't really have a place to put the gel tube to keep it room temp.

[ol' QHJumper]

AWIP-- when you switched from Hyalun, did you give the full 10 cc of Lubrisyn? Or did you give a dose similar to that of Hyalun (i.e., 2 cc of Lubrisyn @ 6 mg)?

[AWIP]

full dose of Lubrisyn, it seems to take my girl from good to great.

[Carma]

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif
I have read it all and doing the research on the web... didn't mean to get everyone jazzed about the stuff, but thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Well, not sure if the 100% i.v. injectable glucosamine is working - this is not Legend (it has been one week). I thought I would give it that long... just to see.

So, I am also gonna start with the Lubrysin if I can order it and it is in stock.

Oh by the way, not only does the Kentucy derby winner use Lubrysin as part of his diet, but so does the #2 horse, Closing Argument. I guess, if it helps a 50:1 longshot, my mare probably has a pretty good shot too. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Alright, I am starting the Trial and I will keep everybody updated after a week of use and hard work.

Be back soon! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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[tjauction]

See page 7 of the June 10 Chronicle.

When you get started with LubriSyn, double load for 3 to 14 days, depending on the horse. The more issues the horse has, the longer the loading period should be.

A trainer at Charles Town that uses LubriSyn on every horse in his stable told me that he usually sees a difference in 1 to 2 weeks and that they are "different horses" in 30 days.

[whitebirchfarm]

I saw improvements in my 5 horses within 5 days.

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> page 7 of the June 10 Chronicle. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did I miss something? I went to the on-line version, page 7. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[littlek]

Hi, I've read this entire thread, believe it or not, and because of the responses, I thought I would try the Lubrisyn. I started it on May 25th. I thought I would skip the loading period and just start with the 15ml dose for both of my guys.

Horse #1 is an 11 yr old OTTB, working at about training level. He has had some muscle issues for which he gets myofascial release that has helped immensely. Recently, though, he has still had left lead canter issues which I think are caused by an arthritic right hip (when I got him, the chiro adjusted this hip because it was rotated he thought maybe from a starting gate injury). He woud trail his haunches to the outside, fall in on his inside shoulder, and rush around a circle, sometimes scramble to keep from losing his footing. He was a little rushy to the right, but none of the other problems. Between 1 and two weeks after starting the Lubrisyn, his rt lead canter is better, and the left lead canter has been calm and slower, with him taking more weight on his outside hind and back-end, instead of falling in on the inside shoulder. His tempo at the trot has also been much steadier (this could also have something to do with the heat http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif).

Horse #2 is 24, retired and not really ridden as much as he should be even. He pulled a suspensory a year ago, and took a long time to recover. He can be a little creaky so he's also getting 15 ml of Lubrisyn. His suspensory ankle almost looks a little tighter, but that may be wishful thinking. I'll hopefully ride him more this summer, too, so we'll see if he seems to do any better. As long as he's happy and comfortable.

I just ordered a gallon, so we should continue to see some improvement. It's a little pricey, but none of the other joint supplements have made any noticeable difference to either of them, so if the Lubrisyn does, then it will be worth it.

Sorry to be so long, but thanks for starting this thread, and all of the replies with others' experiences. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Goldylox]

Due to a lot of though and despite the fact that Rush is going great.....
Starting Friday, I will switch from the LubriSyn to the Hyaluronex. Oldenburg Mom, here I am! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif
I will see if my now really sound EPSMer on the LubriSyn will go the same, go better, or worse on the Hyaluronex.
Others out there who are making/considering the switch, let the BB know. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif
Closing thoughts....my horse, my $, my choice at this time to see if this product will measure up to the LubriSyn. We shall see.... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[CHJoker]

Guys, HOW do you get the hyaluronex?? What is the price? Have I missed this information??

[Oldenburg Mom]

ChJoker ... Jeff has it at 513 877 2625. And the price is about the same. It MAY be a buck higher I don't really remember.

Goldylox, I made the switch because of the absorption data and I guess generally the data available...JMO FWIW.

[Goldylox]

Thant's what I have based the change on as well, Oldenbug Mom. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Carma]

Okay.. I looked at June 10th issue (page 7). hmmm? Can you send me the article you are talking about? I will give you my email address, if you would be willing to send it.

Okay, the testimonials from all of you are enough for me to order this stuff and try it (with the money back guarentee, of course).

It was out of stock when I went to the online petfood place, but it should be in by Friday and they will send it off shortly after that. Well, I bought the 32 oz. for $108.69 including shipping (w/ 10% discount). Sounds reasonable to me.

By the way, my mare is 100% sound again, but adding LubriSyn may be good just for prevention more than anything else. Since she jumps BIG jumps alot, prevention makes sense to me. Currently on NO supplements, except the ONE i.v. shot of 100% Glucosamine that I mentioned in one of my last posts. That was given exactly one week ago today. (by the way, it was NOT i.v. Legend, as you may be thinking).

I need to ask this...Are there clinical studies done by the maker of Lubrisyn? When I type the name "LubriSyn" into the google search engine, why am I NOT getting any reports or research on this stuff? Why am I not getting any information about the lameness vet by the name of Halstrum? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Heck, when I type my own name in the google search (with quotes), it gives me multiple pages where I am listed online. NICE!!!
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It seems the message boards are the only place the word LubriSyn is used. I find that strange. Of course, I went to the company website and read the science section where it talks of molecular weight for HA... but usually, when you make ANY statement, there is a paper or journal article given (i.e. Jackoson, L.F., University of Illinois publications, 2003), backing up what you have to say.

Maker of Lubrisyn is a vet - Dr. Halstrum? Where are the papers published, with his name? Where are the absorption studies done on this oral patented HA? Nothing? I find this disappointing.

Casadora, can you please help me here. You seem to know information about this study and I was wondering where the information you posted a while back came from.

Please let me quote:
The "faceless" corporation is a small start up company run by http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif who is considered one of the best equine diagnostic veterinarians in the world. This gentleman looks at lame horses every single day of the week all over the country and the world. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif His development of Lubrisyn has been trial and error having watched the effect on hundreds of horses for the past several years to develop his current product...hardly a "faceless corporation. He is and has been involved with the premiere race, show jumping, and dressage horses in the WORLD.
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Can you provide any source for the information you gave above? I don't mean to put you on the spot, but I would like some info. about Dr. Halstrum and his practice. For example, if I were to list my own vet's name in quotes on google (practically a No-Name vet, in comparison), I would come up with multiple pages of his work in the field. Why is this not the case with Dr. H.?

Please help.... this seems so unreal, but still worth a try. (And don't get me wrong, I am looking forward to it!) Thanks so much to you all!

[Oldenburg Mom]

Carma,

FYI ... This was on the previous thread that Findeight started. I

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lord Helpus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Oldenburg Mom:

Apparently it is patented, and was developed by a Dr. Steven Allday. Racing people, do you know this name? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I doubt that there are 2 Steve Allday's in the racing world. So this must be the same Steve Allday who used to be a race track vet in California. That is until he was 'disinvited' (for lack of the correct word) from racetracks in that state.

He then moved his practice to Kentucky and became the vet for a small trainer (among others) who had spent decades plying his trade in the middle ranks of the business. The following year, said trainer trains the Eclipse Champion 2 year old colt AND the 2 year old filly, both of humble breeding.

Toward the end of that year, Allday is hired by Frank Stronach as his racing manager and Allday in turn hires said trainer as the private trainer for Stronach's enormous racing empire.

In the meantime, the champion colt and filly move on to other trainers (Hall of Fame trainers) who are unable to replicate their 2 year old success...

I had heard several years ago that Allday was no longer with Stronach. This must be what he has been doing since he left there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Oldenburg Mom]

And a further comment ...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kinsella:
Oh, and as for Dr Allday, I could find nothing about him being "disinvited" from CA tracks. I did find one 'infraction' from 1999 - he was reprimanded by the stewards at Turfway for giving an assistant trainer a syringe of vitamins (nothing illegal). For those that don't know racing, you have to understand that trainers CAN NOT have a syringe with a tip or needles AT ALL at the track. They have to cut the tip off of the large dose syringes before using them. Any trainer caught with a needle or syringe will be fined and possible suspended. The only other things I could find were assumptions based on the fact that horses he worked with won. That's bad why?

As for the two 2yo BC winners, they were Countess Diana and Favorite Trick. Countess Diana raced 6 times as a 2yo, finishing 1st 5 times and 2nd once. She had a knee chip removed in Dec of her 2yo year. She went on to run 8 more times, but never returned to her 2yo form - which is not too surprising after a knee surgery. Favorite Trick won all 8 of his races as a 2yo. As a 3yo he ran 8 times, finishing 4 times 1st and once 3rd. Three of the four wins were in the following races: The Jim Dandy Stakes (G2), the Keeneland Breeders Cup Mile (G2) (this is now the big turf mile race at Keeneland), and the Swale Stakes (G3). Not too shabby of a 3yo year.

I'll let you know what else I find out about the drugs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[whitebirchfarm]

if anyone is interested i have the phone number for a company rep . of Lubrisyn if anyone would like to get the infromation from the horses mouth.

[GoneAwayFarmCT]

Based on me sending her to this thread, my mother (GAFCT Mom?) is starting her creaky teen-aged QH on Lubrisyn and/or Hyalun. I'll post when I hear how it's going.

Question for you- has anyone tried these products on their barn dogs, or is there a canine equivalent? I have a beloved 5 yo corgi with very bad displasia (which I guess is rare in the breed). He's on 2 double strength Cosequin capsules per day, which helps a great deal, but I'd love to do more if I could.

[casadora]

Hi Carma,
The vets name is Steven Allday, my experience with him is not "working for the company" but I had the great pleasure of him being my lameness vet from 1992-1998, I had horses that competed internationally in showjumping; they attended almost everything but the Olympic Games, that year we had some bad luck. He has a gift for diagnosing and fixing problems but also increasing the longevity of a horses career by not injecting everything everytime as I have had experienced in the past with other veterinarians. My one horses jumped at the international level until he was 18, (FEI...NO MEDICATION)he was Dr. Alldays patient for 5 years. Dr. Allday for the past several years only did racetrack lameness work, just off the top of my head his latest most significant significant clients...Fusaichi Pegasus, Favorite Trick, Countess Diana, Awesome Again,Roses in May, Kittens Joy...he has worked both privately for Alan Paulson and Frank Stronach..two of the biggest names in racing (Mr. Paulson has passed on). That is a small list. He developed Lubrisyn with his partner, a biochemist who holds the patent for oral administration for HA. (a lot of this has already been posted previously) I am aware that Lubrisyn has a saftey study done on horses with the current formulation, as well they have serveral efficasy studies almost completed on horses with the current formulation. Call Halstrum they will keep you updated with the progress, that is what they have told me. According to Hyaluronix there reference to oral studies was done on rats, radioactive isotope studies, they do not refer to any current studies on oral use on horse only interarticular use. My suggestion would be to call these companies and they will give you clearer information. I'm sure if you gogle Dr Allday you might not come up with any papers so to speak as his work is done on the battleground. He is the lameness vet for many of the elite trainers in the business, I think a sure sign of his products sucsess is many of his competitors are users of Lubrisyn. By the way you mentioned your horses jump,on a previous thread it mentioned Ian Millar, Lauren Hough, Todd Minikus, ect. are all believers in
the product. My most exciting use of the product besides on horses is I have a small toy fox terrier who has twice fractured the same leg...he had the original pin and screw removed after the second fracture and a new pin and larger screw put back in. None the less he has now what is called a non union fracture...he is not very sound. The vets recommend daily rimidyl which is very hard on the internal organs. On nothing he is a 4 out of 10 on the lameness scale, on cosequin and glucosamine/chondrotin, he is a 5.5, on Lubrisyn he is always an 8 and on good days a 9! He begs for it every morning, he gets 1/2 a twist of the syringe. Hope this is of some information to you. All the best.

[findeight]

My aging Fat Cat continues to do well on 1cc about 3 times a week (cats being somewhat difficult to dose on a daily basis). Just creaky from age and she sometimes has about a 3 limp behind. Reduced to a 1 or 0 on the stuff.

I did an inadvertant "control" study last week...noticed she was limping and staying pretty quiet. Realized she had not had her LS for over a week. Took about 48 hours and 1cc each day to rev her back up.

I still take it too, 3cc about 3 times a week plus it mixes with my drug store moisturizer to turn it into a clone of the $80 stuff touted in the latest ads in those $5 fashion mags.

[GoneAwayFarmCT]

Thanks, Findelight (and snicker on the vagaries of daily dosing a cat with anything). Could you (or anyone) recommend a dosage for a 40 lb dog?

While my horses are in the young and non-creaky range, I'm following this thread with great interest. Thanks, all!

[Cowgirl]

Well I got my quart of Lubrisyn yesterday and started it. My horse has been getting regular Legend and Adequan shots and Corta RX-HA and for the past two weeks liquid Hyla-Motion, so I thought I'd start with 15 ml instead of the loading period. The petfoods place was out, so I got mine from Heartland Vet Supply, for $112.95 with free shipping. http://www.heartlandvetsupply.com/cart/advanced_search_...7402b15477762fea830c (http://www.heartlandvetsupply.com/cart/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=Lubrisyn&amp;osCsi d=71b1425cb15a7402b15477762fea830c) It came within a few days of being ordered.

[tjauction]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Oldenburg Mom:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> page 7 of the June 10 Chronicle. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did I miss something? I went to the on-line version, page 7. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do they have the ads in the online version?

[Luie's Person]

Update on CONTINUED PROGRESS!!!! Almost a month now and the boy is really, really great. Can I share how exciting it is to be able to school collected movements 5 to 6 days a week and have a ve3ry happy camper with no gimps! Also, my own bowed achilles tendons (don't ask) are no longer painful. I do double dose 1 or 2x aweek. Now I can get out of bed each morning and walk normally right off the bat! Frisky !! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[rottielover178]

My gelding has been on the Lubrisyn for about 3 weeks now and I have a NEW horse! He was never lame, but nothing I asked him to do was just easy. We had to fight first and when he had to work hard, he's spook a bit at things. Getting him shown was difficult as he'd get very tense. Last Saturday, we were in 3 double judged classes and took first all but once under both judges!! 5 out of 6 aint bad!! We picked up 8 points! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif He lost a shoe at the show, and just got it back on yesterday morning, so I finally got to ride tonight. He was so soft, responsive, supply and WILLING!! He has such a soft eye now and actually enjoys his grooming, which he used to just tolerate. He is moving better and just seem to be a very content horse. I'm sold!

[chism]

I just got mine from UPS today. There's no info on loading dosage, it just says 15ml. Can someone tell me what they've used for the loading dose and how long?
Thanks in advance.

[tjauction]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mbeans99:
Ok, so where in the name of God , do you get Lubrisyn? I called the rep. no call back. I'll order from anywhere. Help please. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can get the 800 number from their web site at LubriSyn.com or Halstrum.com. Or see the ad on page 7 of the June 10 issue of the Chronicle.

[tjauction]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chism:
I just got mine from UPS today. There's no info on loading dosage, it just says 15ml. Can someone tell me what they've used for the loading dose and how long?
Thanks in advance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here is what most of the LubriSyn users tell me works. When they start with LubriSyn, they will double load (30ml) for 3 to 14 days, depending on the horse. The more issues the horse has, the longer they double load. Then they drop back to 15 ml a day.

Most will double or triple load for a few day before a race or performance.

[dehere98]

I've got 3/4 bottle of Lubrisyn I won't be using if anyone is interested p/t me.

[Sannois]

From reading the Lubrisn Webpage, It seems that the mollecular concentration is the maximun of Hyaluronic acid than any of the other products. Is it safe?? I am going thru hell trying to decide what to use, I know I posted a new topic, bear with me , I am trying to make a wise decision. I have the vet supply website up and I am so tempted to try the 60 dose Tube. or 2. I know you guys are going to tell me to read the whole 27 pages! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif but Why is the oral stuff supposed to be better than say Legend or Gel 50 ?? Does it stay in the blood stream longer?? Just from the little I have rread it seems the Lubrysin is overall showing better results than the Hyalun.

[chism]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dehere98:
I've got 3/4 bottle of Lubrisyn I won't be using if anyone is interested p/t me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why? It didn't work for you?

Regarding the question of Legend vs Lubrisyn. I was at the vet today getting my gelding's hocks injected. While I'm happy that I seem to have gotten to the root of his issues somewhat, I'm still not sure which way to go regarding supplements. He's already on Cosequin. I mentioned the Lubrisyn to my vets and they made that little face vets make like if you said "bare foot trim or animal communicator" and said that I should use Legend if I'm going to use anything.

[Sannois]

Damnit Thats it I am going to order the Lubrisyn.. Hell what have I got to lose?? Just money! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chism:

I mentioned the Lubrisyn to my vets and they made that little face vets make like if you said "bare foot trim or animal communicator" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ROTFLMAO! Toooooo funny. Toooooo true!!!!

Why on earth would he recommend an oral product that achieves the same thing as his $XXX. hock injections.

[findeight]

Not all of 'em, my vet sells the stuff.

Dose for a 40lb dog? I'd load at 3cc for a few days then drop to 2 then on down to 1 or 1 1/2.

Fat Cat is a 16 pounder and would be on 1/2 cc daily if that was an option.

[Sannois]

Just from reading, do some of you folks take Lubrysin yourself??

[GoneAwayFarmCT]

Thanks for the doggie dose info, findelight http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The report from GAFCT Mom is that after 3 days of Hyalun (the Lubrisyn is, I believe, on order), the creaky teenage QH who hadn't rolled all the way over or moved above a walk without encouragement in a couple of months not only rolled all the way over, but got up, bucked and farted, and galloped around saying 'look at me, mom!'

Keeping fingers crossed that this wasn't just a cool-weather-freak-thing!

[titan]

I received 2 tubes of the Canine LubriSyn gel to try from Jeff M. with an order I placed a few months ago. Not sure if it is available for purchase or not. We have a 140lb train wreck so it's hard to tell if the gel made an impact or not.

[welshcob]

Sannois

I take 3-4ml lubrisyn myself (from the same jug as my pony). It has made a world of difference in my back, I had no pain at all for 2 months after starting it, now I do have twinges but I believe it's because I am able to not only ride a couple horses a day but pull weeds, haul bales and all the grunt work I was so careful to manage in small increments!!

[Carma]

I just wanted to send a thank-you out to those of you who responded to my post very thoroughly... Thanks for not giving me the "short version" of the answer.

By the way, I did go back and read the ENTIRE forum that F8 started quite a while ago. Very helpful. Now I am up to date.

Oldenburg Mom quoted a few interesting pieces from that post and I encourage others to start reading there, if they are looking for some additional information.


Anyway, I really appreciate the info., because if this stuff works for my mare in her jump, I will be telling people about it. I am certain, however, that I am going to get those looks described by Chism. People just are not very open to new ideas, especially because they are so familiar with the other oral HA products that don't get absorbed. I have asked a couple people about Lubrisyn/ Hyalun already... and the response I have been getting:

"Oh, it is one of those fads", or the "eye roll". Oh well, I have always been known to do my own thing... Don't worry about those looks, Chism!

Disappointing to say the least...
1. Because people are not willing to think beyond "old technology". I am very much a scientist when I am not on the back of my horse(s). I know that new ideas create change.

2. I find that people in the horse business don't really "listen" to new ideas. Trainers are especially set in their ways. ARGH!

Don't get me wrong.... I am a skeptic too! A big skeptic...but if given a forum like this one, I think it is worth the try. Perhaps I will be starting the trial soon - should be delivered to me in the next few days.

Are most of you on this forum competing your horses regularly?

Chism, have you tried the product yet? If not, you should! It sounds like quite a few individuals out there are eliminating injecting the joints altogether.

If I never have to go there with my 7 y.o. mare, I will be very happy!

I ordered LubriSyn from http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/petproducts.asp?

I ordered the Package: 32-oz twin-neck bottle.
$112.99 -- Out of stock.

It says "out of stock" when you look for it on this website, but a big order just came in on friday.

I asked for the 10% off that is given on the website and I got it for $108.00 which includes shipping. I just did everything by phone.

Anyway, I also spoke to a fairly knowledgeable person at Halstrum (the company that makes Lubrisyn). She recommends starting a large horse like mine on a triple dose (15ml x3) for the first three days. She also mentioned that it is not a good idea to store the product at the barn (in the heat) - it will go bad. She suggested the refrigerator.

What I am going to have to do is use a 60ml syringe and put it down my mare's throat like a worming medication. She wouldn't touch her grain if I top-dressed it. That is not an option. I just ordered a bunch of 60ml needleless syringes in a box (on ebay). Good deal.

That way, you know the product will not be "lost" ... meaning dribbled on the ground! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Additionally, if you are planning to use the syringe option (because you have a fussy eater, like mine), the rep. I spoke to said that they do not put preservatives in the Lubrisyn. What does that mean? Well, basically, you can not double dip the syringe in the container after it has already been in the horses mouth. She just said to beware of contamination.

She also said quite a few people were calling to say that the product was "starting to smell". http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

Not good.

Okay.. I will keep you all up on my progress.
I am going to bed.. it is late!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sleepy.gif

[Sannois]

What about the stuff already in the dose tubes??

[Goldylox]

Carma,
I know that a shipment of the LubriSyn that came to Jeff was MOLDY!
They sent it back...a long time ago.
If it smells or has changed from that clear, syrup color, I think it has "gone" bad. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
Glad to see that you are open minded after your post. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Of course, I may have just read into it that you were totally against it.
Sorry if I mistakenly read it that way...

[Sannois]

I DID IT!! Last night I ordered my Lubrysin from Heartland Vet! I hope it works ! I have a good feeling! Will keep you all posted.

[Luie's Person]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Carma:
Anyway, I also spoke to a fairly knowledgeable person at Halstrum (the company that makes Lubrisyn). She also mentioned that it is not a good idea to store the product at the barn (in the heat) - it will go bad. She suggested the refrigerator.
[QUOTE]

Carma: **Thank you** http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif for such an informative post! You'd think they'd put "refrigerate" on the packaging...whatever, at least now we know.

Luie and I chorus: "Love the Lubrisyn Life" http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif FYI: I'm not currently competing, but work w/ our trainer 3 days week, school with a purpose another 3. Dressage dance pleasantly collected, in fact delightful!

Vision: conferring with my avian vet regarding how to dose a 25 YO Amazon....Cheers

[findeight]

I just realized two things...
One, my knees no longer sound like a popcorn machine going up the stairs.
No quickie fix here, I've been doing 3cc of LS about 3/4 times a week since Feb and only this week noticed the lack of noise. They never hurt, mind you, just noisy...but, I guess, not anymore.

Second, the mare is a notoriously bad sweater...she doesn't actually. Gets a beer a day on vet recommendation.

So I showed last week in torrid, tropical conditions and actually used my hand to scrape liquid off her haunch after I was done with my rounds...never thought about it until another thread on anhydrosis.
The mare can't have a beer at a rated, is still not completely shed out (as many others around here-the late and cold spring just tightened them all up) and the only thing different is the LubriSyn. It is, after all, a moisture carrier so maybe?????? Beats me but worth mentioning.

Still too early to make a judgement on switching from the GLC5500 to Missing Link Plus Glucs but, at worst, there is NO difference at all.

[Sannois]

Wow I am so excited for it to get here, If I see anything, I am ordering the big size! Right now I ordered 2 33 dose Syringes! How do you know if it is safe for people?? How do you take it, There is a Website on the net that sells something for people called Synovial 7 Anyone heard of that???

[whitebirchfarm]

one of the things we noticed besides the improved movement, was tha they shed any extra hair they still had.

[findeight]

Well Fat Cat shed nicely but lives indoors. probably 80% of the barn didn't due to the cold spring..a couple even needed unusual late spring body clips.

[Kat the Horse]

Sannois:

I take the Synthovial 7. It works. I have chronic problems with knees having busted them all to hell doing one stupid stunt or another. For the first time they don't ache after riding Western, don't complain when I kneel or rest on the floor on my knees (great for when I must beg hubby for the credit card for horsey supplements).

I even put a tiny drop on each eyelid after I take my morning dose (1/2 dropperful or .5ml?) and it does wonders for those 'after 40' tiny lines.

I presently have a good friends' elderly cat on .2ml of the S-7 (just a tiny bit was left in my first bottle) and we will see how it goes. I get it for $36.95 online, and have since seen it cheaper. If you do get it--buy in bulk and shop around!

[Gunnar]

FYI, I was perusing Valley Vet catalog and they are touting HA for Humans. They have several products for sale, including Moisturizer and Oral Product. They mention to take it with cold liquid so do not put it in your coffee. I had been putting mine in warm water as it is sort of thick and I thought it would help to mix up. Now I will use cold water instead as well as I am now keeping my Lub in the refrigerator, except for the bags that Bodie gets daily which I make up 5 or 6 days ahead of time.

I am still faring well with much less pain and stiffness. Bodie continues to be sound (knocking on wood) so I will defintetly stick with it!!!

[Sannois]

Thanks KAt! I am gong to get some as well. My knees are really creaky! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[SabinoPonyLover]

As far as safe, I was telling a friend of mine who is a surgical nurse for a plastic surgeon about my husband taking it. The wonderful results he's had and she was very interested. She has really bad back pain.

She asked the Dr. she worked for and told him what it was and he said ABSOLUTELY safe, natural occuring substance in your body. Then he told her that the resalin (sp) injections that these ladies are coming in and paying big bucks for (apparently one of the new fads) is pure HA.

My husband spent 22 years in the Army and it beat up his body pretty bad, not to mention the wrinkles caused by years in the sun. Even his face looks different, his skin is healthier and the wrinkles (small ones) are gone.

[Goldylox]

Any reports from those people that are using the Hyaluronex?

[Sannois]

Anyone have the Website that sells the Synovial 7??
I talked to my vet today about the Lubrysin, and he said hes heard of it, and that he thought it was a good idea, He said if its reported to not peak in the system the way legend dose it makes sense that it would have better results. He said he doesnt poo poo things that are out there, just cause he doesnt sell it! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Carma]

Okay, it came in the mail today.... and opened the top and it smells so....hmmm... synthetic!
Weird. I am a little scared to taste it.

Maybe I will try it on my 5 y.o. lab with sort of bad hips before i try it on me and my mare. hehe

Everyone is talking about their knees. I will join that club! I used to be a cross country runner in HS (about 10 years ago). Couple that with riding just about everyday... and yes, i have terrible knees too.

How can we be sure this stuff is free of toxins/ purified before being put on the market? This is my big question.
It seems obvious that it was created in a lab.
Oh, I am just a worry wart. I will try it and report back in a few days.

[whitebirchfarm]

Carma, dont you think people would have posted that they or their animals were sick from it?My daughter started taking it yesterday.......will let you know.

[joycesgrooming]

Has anybody seen any "good" results with their dogs? My almost 12 year old German Shepherd is on Cosequin and Rimadyl for arthritis. She is still stiff and sore. Does anybody think this will help her at all? If so, she is about 70lbs, how much should I give her? Thank you for any info. I want to help my dog all I can.

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Goldylox:
Any reports from those people that are using the Hyaluronex? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Deeeeee-lighted. My girl has never moved better, and I'm able to reduce the dosage!!!

I think that's cause for a big WHOOP WHOOP!

I am also giving it to another horse that has a contracted tendons issue. He is more comfortable... we'll see if it makes a difference, long term.

[Goldylox]

easy now,
As far as I know(which isn't too far http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)I think Jeff is the only seller.(?) Could be wrong on this.
Oldenburg Mom,
How long have you been using it? The jury is still out on Rush and the Hyaluronex.
He'll have been on it a week tomorrow...I am waiting a this point to see...

[Sannois]

OK OM I am totally obsessed with this whole thing! I am trying to get thru all the posts!!
It sees there is a huge price difference in the Lubrysin as opposed to the Hyalun..
I just got my first bit of Lubrysin from Heartland Vet. I have no idea how much to give, the website says a big tube is a 30 day supply!! no way its only got 26 clicks on the plunger! and that is only 1ml I believe. I pd 63 and change plus 6 something shipping, ordered it a week ago, I dont know what to give him, But the scary thing is if it is really like 15 ml a day I cant afford that! I can barely afford this. But from the manufactures website it seems to be really good. What makes the Hyalun so much cheaper?? Please help!!! This is a great thing you have done with this thread!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[Sannois]

Bumping !! Oh Oldenburg Mom!! Or anyone else that knows!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[whitebirchfarm]

Lubrisyn has a web site. http://www.lubrisyn.com ther are people that can answer all you questions.

[Sannois]

White birch, thanks I went to that website, it says nothing about The dosage, only the ingredients, and their is no contact info! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[whitebirchfarm]

http://www.horsepowerplus.citymax.com/page/page/747464.htm Try this link

[Sannois]

It does not say the dosage, http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Oh Oldenberg Mom!! Or anyone who is feeding it!

[Oldenburg Mom]

Hi!

Back from Fair Hill.

Dosage for Hyaluronex: 30 ml (1 oz) as a loading dose, then 15 ml maintenance.

Does that help?

[Sannois]

LOL Nope Cause thats not what I am using!!! I am using Lubrisyn http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I guess I will call the company!! But thanks anyway!

[Fessy's Mom]

Sannois - I'm assuming you're using the gel in the tube? That's what I'm giving Abe and he gets one "line" from the tube each day, so there are 33 doses per tube. I didn't give a loading dose, but I would assume you could give him two "lines" a day for a few days if you wanted to. I think it's about two cc's of liquid (very small amount) so to be sure Abe actually eats it, I hollow out a carrot and squirt it in there and feed it to him that way. Works great for us! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Let me know if you have any other questions. I'll be sure to check back. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[chism]

I asked the same question, my good friends here on COTH told me to use a 30ml loading dose for three days and then a 15ml dose. My 11 year old OTTB just got his hocks injected and he's feeling quite frisky. I'm not quite sure if it's due to the Lubrisyn,the injections, or both...but I'm happy.

[*Simply Irresistible*]

Where do you guys get the gel in the tube?

I would rather give that than the liquid. My older mare is a major dribbler (more so now after the vet floated her teeth)and I want to make sure she gets it the full dosage.

Thanks!

[Fessy's Mom]

http://www.petfooddirect.com

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[*Simply Irresistible*]

Maybe this question has already been asked and answered but I'm gonna ask again http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Does the Lubrisyn gel have the same concentration of HA as the liquid Lubrisyn?

I only ask because the gel dosage seems to be smaller than the liquid. (Or maybe I'm just not getting it on this dreary Monday morning http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif)

Thanks!

[Sannois]

THAK YOU FESSY!!! Yes Thats what I'm doing!!! I was begining to think I had the wrong stuff! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Truman doesnt even knnow what I am putting in his mouth, he thinks its bute, and then when he tastes it or doesn't he gives me a weird look like gees lady! now your putting nothing in my mouth!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Carma]

Hello All -- I am the skeptic, remember me from a few posts back???

Well, I have to report.
I bought a bunch of big 60ml syringes and I am dosing my huge mare about 30ml first three days and bringing the dosage back to 15ml.

I am simply amazed at my horse's movement! First 24 hours: I wanted to see my horse on the lunge line, so we lunged for 20 minutes (she can collect very well on the lunge line while I watch). Amazing. I just noticed alot more movement in each fetlock, and hocks and alot more willingness to use her body!!!

48 hours: Okay I have a pretty calm mare... but she was WILD today. I am certain she was feeling great - like a spring morning after months of snow! Once I got on her, I felt her collection (willingness to bring her hind end under her without hesitation). She had a slight problem bending to the right (nobody else notices this,but I see the little things). Now that is no longer there. I was so pleased.

Someone in an above post mentioned that the horse is sweating more than normal. YESSS!!!
I see this too. Drenched in sweat! Why? Hmmm..
My horse is in the best shape of her life and this is surprising. The only thing that I can think of off the top of my head is that our horses are using so much more of themselves and working harder than before. What do you think?

72 hours: Still getting better... Big movement! Relaxed, happy, and she finally stopped tail-swishing! This is somthing she has been doing since the beginning of time. Maybe she is just more comfortable in her work.

I haven't seen an improvement in her jumping - but this is because I have really been working her dressage for the past week. My mare is quite a spectacular mover (probably more suited for dressage), but I like jumping. I am extremely impressed with her improved movement. Did I say that already? I should post before and after videos of her movement. It is obvious to anyone.

Even my extremely skeptic trainer - who doesn't know I am giving her anything - said she is alot more balanced, relaxed, willing to move forward in today's work.

I don't usually let others ride my horse, but I have been so interested to see her move that I just had to!

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My Laborador has been gettingabout 2mls each day. She is doing much better too. Not as big of a difference in her as I saw in my horse.

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Dog eats all the Lubrisyn! Horse spits out at least 2 mls each dosing (even when I give it to her in an oral syringe). If I would top dress her food, she would spit out most of it. The syringes seem to work well if you have a picky eater.

Okay -- I will continue to keep you all updated. If anybody has an idea about the sweating, please post it.

Thanks,
Lora

[Carma]

By the way, I don't see how the tube can give 30 doses. This must be wrong, unless the concentration is different in gel than in liquid.

I wouldn't know how to dose from a tube.
Calling the company (Halstrum) would probably be the best. I spoke with someone there who seemed quite knowledgable. Now, I didn't order from the company directly, but they would probably be best to answer questions. (See one of my last posts on regarding info. from the company).

Again, I am glad I went with the Lubrisyn.

[Sannois]

Wow Great story!!! I am just giving one click on the plunger a day. I took him out of his stall last evening and I SWEAR his walk was so forward and Different sounding!!! And it was 90 plus!!! heat! I am going to order the synovial 7 for myself I am really optimistic about this for animal and human! Theres got to be somethinf to it if that many people are seeing great results!!! ... Kim and Truman!

[Gunnar]

Bodie passed the Insurance Vet Check after 20 months of rehab with knee surgery for torn ligaments. He has been on Lub for 3 months and no Legend etc. I was nervous as no vet has watched him trot since Oct when he was lame. What a relief as he passed with flying colors. I did inject his hocks but it had been 2 years so he should feel great. On to jumping soon!!

Yahoo...............

[egontoast]

When did you inject the hocks. If you just injected the hocks it is just as likely to be that - we should be careful to assume it's one or the other.

I am trying to stay objective on this. I have NOT had the miraculous success that others have had with the oral HA so I read these posts carefully. Believe me, I wanted it to work.

[Gunnar]

Hey egg 1st of all the problem as been with his knee. I am not proclaiming miraculous sucess. Bodie was sound in his knee (by my eye!!) before the Lub but he has stayed sound thru more rehab. I was just excited as this is very big milestone for us. Time had more to do with it than anything, as well as living outside. I am looking for a Legend substitute, not a wonder cure.

I did the hocks yesterday!! he has not been lame behind, just weak. he flexed pretty good on those hocks!!

I am still loving life at 3ml a day for myself!!

[Cowgirl]

Eggy, I did not have miraculous results either. I took my horse to the lameness specialist last week. Remember, my guy fell off a cliff in December when barn workers forgot to latch some gates while they were cleaning pens. I've had two different vets (my regular vet and the barn vet) monitoring his rehab and we xrayed his front joints (knee and fetlock). He came back to PSG level, but he wasn't really using his left hind as well as his right. One of the vets thought he was starting to get some arthritis in his hocks and graded him a positive 2 on his right hock (and I felt the problem was the left hind, so I had a chiropracter out a couple of times to work on him). I gave him another Legend series, added adequan and started the Lubrisyn. But it didn't make a difference. So I made an appointment with the top lameness guy (he's one of the top in the country) and it took a month to get in to see him.

Anyway, it turns out that my horse has broken a hind coffin bone (and his hocks are still perfect--LOL!). Fortunately, it is a clean fracture in one of the wings and there is no joint involvement and some healing has started. Vet is sure this is from the accident in December (it's the foot that had the shoe yanked off in the accident--he probably stepped on the quarter clip). He gets a special cast-like shoe on Thurs. and then four months of box rest (Poor bugger). In two months, we'll inject the coffin joint as a precaution.

What I'm trying to say is that I didn't accept that the Lubrisyn could work so well for so many and not work for my horse. I saw positive results in the past from boosting him with Conquer gel or with HylaMotion after heavy workouts and shows. I especially felt that way after I gave him another Legend loading series and added monthly adequan to the mix and saw no change. I believed that there was another problem that the other vets missed and I was right.

I'm going to keep him on Lubrisyn and Legend and Adequan through his rehab. Vet thinks he will make a complete recovery, although I am a little distressed that this wasn't diagnosed earlier (especially when I've been averaging $500/month on vet bills and meds). Normal recovery for the coffin bone is 6 months to a year and vet thinks we are far enough along that 3-4 months is all he will need. I think that keeping him on his joint meds will help him during his stall rest.

I might suggest taking your horse for a full workup with a top leg specialist, when you can. In my experience, these guys have a developed eye for things that the regular vets (and I love my regular vet) don't have.

[egontoast]

Oh Geez, Cowgirl, sorry to hear you are going through this with your horse!

I don't think there is anything going on with my horse other than the arthritis and it's mild at that. I have no reason to take him to a specialist. He's a little clunky, same as he would get when he hadn't had a Legend shot for a while. I see lots of horses every day who move this way. I just know how much more fluidly he can move when he's feeling buff.

I will try the Adequan -already ordered it- and we'll see.

Sorry about your horse. Stall rest !!! so glad you have a good prognosis.

[Cowgirl]

Yeah, well I had already tried all that and when I didn't see improvement with any of it (including chiropractic and massage) is when I took him to the lameness specialist. Try the adequan--the vet said that adequan is better for some things than Legend. Plus it's easier to give.

Another thing you can try is Omega 3 fatty acids (flax). Researchers from CSU came out with a joint supplement that is entirely based on omega 3 fatty acids. My sister said it really helped her gelding in ways that Legend did not. Each of them is different.

[Sannois]

Bumping for more Lubrysin and Hyalun reports! Come on folks! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Sannois]

Just bumping cause there is so much good info here, if anyone wants to read! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[whitebirchfarm]

hello i got a not yesteday,Lubrisyn has re-formulated its HA.It now is 67%.It is now 5mg for eachML.There is no price increase .The Canine product is et to be relased this month also.

[Sannois]

I think Someone should email Halstrum the addy to this thread! its really quite a success story! I am blown away by the Lubrysin. I am thinking my guy can get a bit more serious again! He seems so happy! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I LOVE IT!!!!!

[Sannois]

How and where are you guys storing this product be it Gel or :Liquid?? And how are you feeding it?? I am having to go out EVERY day and does him because barn owner refuses to squirt any liquid supps on feed! I have the Gel Lubrisyn in the does tube and I have keeping it in the barn fridge! Can it be added to something like pellets or hay cubes and be kept in a baggie??

[Sannois]

Bumping for a reply to my above question! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Gunnar]

Sannois, I have been putting the liquid on small amount of pellets. It soaks in and I keep the baggies in the feed room. I make 3 or 4 day supply at a time so it does not get too overheated. The BO gives Bodie the baggie each morning. That way if I cannot get to the barn he is still getting the Lub!! I keep the large container is refrigerator at home. It seems to be working as he gobbles up all his goodies each day. I just hope he does drop those particular pellets. That is why I always say the chickens are very sound!!!

[Sannois]

Oh Excellent Steph! Thanks for this as well!!! That I can do..
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[Sannois]

Bumping for any new updates!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Fessy's Mom]

An Abe update: http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Abe continues to do really well on his combination of Cosequin and Lubrisyn to the point where (as I also posted on egontoast's thread) I'm actually considering riding him soon! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

When I longed him yesterday he started out a little off at the trot, but worked out of it and showed me a really beautiful reaching trot with absolutely no *hint* of a head bob in both directions! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif He's even cantering both directions on the longe line with a nice even stride. What I thought was really cool is that he's finally tracking straight in both directions as well as tracking up. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif He even threw in a couple of bucks which he has never done before on the longe line. He's feeling good!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Scientific proof? We don't need no stinkin scientific proof!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[egontoast]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Scientific proof? We don't need no stinkin scientific proof!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I guess the reason I am curious about the science is because the oral HA does not seem to help my horse. I thought my horse would be a good candidate since he only has mild changes, stiffness, not lameness, and seemed to do well on the IV legend.

I was greatly influenced by all the RAVES and tried Hylamotion, Hyalun, then Lubrisyn and another.$$$$$$$$$$. So yeah, I was curious about the stinkin proof.



Also, I don't know how people can tell if the HA is working when their horse is on other supplements as well

[Fessy's Mom]

I know the Lubrisyn (and the Hyalun before that) is working because my horse was lame on Cosequin alone, but *almost* sound on the Hyalun and now even better (I can't go as far as to say he's sound) on the Lubrisyn. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm sorry it isn't working for your horse, egontoast. But I've also heard of Legend and/or Adequan not working on some horses and there's all kinds of science behind them. So again, I just think different horses will respond differently to each of these products. I, I mean Abe, lucked out. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Sannois]

Egg Did you read the study posted on your thread by JSwan?? Its rather interesting! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[Old_Guy]

Seems a few of you have tried several different Sodium Hyaluronate preparations, with varying results. The results are related to the formula's absorption, not simply the amount of active ingredient or price, Only HYALURONEX has SCIENTIFIC, REPRODUCABLE testing that its formula is the right one. It is absorbed into the blood sream in 30 minutes, and is found in the joints in 2-4 hours. Clinical results with Hyaluronex therefore appear more quickly and are more profound than any other oral Sodium Hyaluronate therapy, because it is rapidly absorbed. Efficacy=absorption...demand the proof.
More information can be obtained at http://www.Hyaluronex.com

[egontoast]

I could not find any studies referenced on your site. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

From the study quoted in the other thread


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">An anecdotal case study as well as evaluation of blood levels of HA after oral administration has been cited as supportive evidence for efficacy of this product (on advertisements only). Although there are no publications yet in the referred literature, the suggestion that elevation of HA levels might imply therapeutic effectiveness is flawed and should be addressed


and


quote:
This study not only shows the value of serum HA levels in predicting progression of OA, but it also highlights that serum HA levels cannot be used as an accurate indicator of increased HA absorption. Even if we did decide that HA was absorbed after oral administration, there is still a considerable distance between this finding and proof of therapeutic effectiveness.
To address this question, our laboratory has recently evaluated the use of IV Legend versus orally administered HA and placebo in our osteochondral fragment-exercise model. Results are forthcoming


</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Sannois]

I do have a study I printed out! it was done on osteo arthritis Knee patients. I got the link on here! Very interesting! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[molly boxer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Oldenburg Mom:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CHJoker:
How much $$$?? You mean the Lubrisyn, right? in gel or liquid?http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
LubriSyn comes in a gel(100ml tube)and a liquid which comes in a pint, quart, and gallon@ 75mg/15ml dose. I have been using it for 6 months and I'm very happy with the results. They have a toll free phone# 800 901-8498, and you can order it direct. The tube is 66.00,16oz 66.00,32oz122.00, and the gallon 350.00 which includes shipping. They used to sell through a pharmaceautical Co. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Whatever you want. Cool, huh? Ask for prices when you e-mail.

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This makes MY day...no more waiting for the vet! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[molly boxer]

LubriSyn just reformulated their product with 60% higher concentration, 75mg/15ml dosage. I found they're phone number in the quarterhorse journal, <span class="ev_code_RED">800-901-8498</span>. I love it. I have a 28 year old navicular horse that is responding great. I give him 30ml a/day though.

[molly boxer]

I ordered LubrSyn 6 months ago and they just reformulated their product so you get 75mg/15ml dose which is 60% stronger. I ordered it through the 800-901-8498. I have a young horse I'm using it on and a navicular 28 year old which it's helping both http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[molly boxer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Goldylox:
Any reports from those people that are using the Hyaluronex? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I heard Hyaluronex was in a law suit for copying LubriSyn, the owner of Hyaluronex used to work for the LubriSyn guys. So maybe it the same stuff?

[molly boxer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Goldylox:
Any reports from those people that are using the Hyaluronex? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I heard that the guy that started Hyaluronex worked for the LubriSyn people,and he was being sued for copying their patent. So maybe it's the same ingredients but won't be around very much longer?

[Oldenburg Mom]

Molly boxer,

Welcome to the boards ... I'm interested in how it's helping your horse with navicular. Can you give us all a case history? Is it helping with the joints? Or the navicular?

As far as the lawsuit goes, I'm call Jeff this morning and will report back. Where did you hear about it?

[Oldenburg Mom]

Ok. Just got off the phone with Jeff ...

Ummmm, there's no lawsuit, Molly. Again, where did you get this information?

Uh, and if there IS Jeff would sure like to know about it. Why don't you give him a call:

513 877 2625

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[Pippigirl]

Hi all,

I thought I would try Hyalun (says it's pure HA,
I'm assuming it is) on my older cat who has arthritis in his elbow. I think it's working really well. No sign of limping, he seems to feel better (he's scratching the heck outta the carpets..hasn't done that in a while... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif).

I would LOVE to try it on my mare. She has had stifle issues in the past (tore cartilage in right stifle about a year and a half ago). She seems stiff when I start up, but after walking and warming up she walks on. She is fine afterwards as well. Are oral HA's like Lubrisyn or Hyalun available in Canada? I haven't seen them here... I only have a small bottle for kitty so I don't want to use up his.
He really is doing very well on it! I'm so happy for him.

[kaseeka]

Yes it is available in Canada. My vet uses lubrasyn and I just tried itfor my Ger. Sh. dog. It's a little too early to see results yet as she has some serious complications going on. I ordered a bottle from a distributor in King City, Ont., Call 1-888-842-2466. They will contact the closest ditributor to you and that person will contact you.

By the way - has anybody had any results with fibromyalgia or CFS with Lubrasyn?

Also - are there any side effects? I understand they make this from rooster cones imported from China. Any risk of avian flu? Will the body stop its own production of HA if using this?

Lastly - anyone have any experience using this with a dog that has degererative mylopathy, surgery for herniated disk or swollen, inflamed and chronically infected foot from a lick granuloma? My girl has all of this and we've tried everything else, so now I'm trying this.

Thanks,
Kaseeka


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[Zachary]

I am confused in the dosing and how much is in the daily dose of the LubriSyn maintainance. 45 mg. per day, is what I am seeing, but I currently give my gelding HylaRx Complete which is 100 mg. of HA per day, wouldn't this be better? Are the HA's not the same, is there a conversion I am missing? Please help...