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lizajane09
Feb. 28, 2010, 06:46 PM
Hi all,

I posted this on the breeding forum as well, but wante to see if anyone here could give me some suggestions... I'm thinking of breeding my upper-level event mare next year and am hoping to get some suggestions for stallions. The mare is a 17 hh OTTB (pedigree here (http://www.pedigreequery.com/chatsworth+house)) who is currently competing at the Intermediate level and should have no problem going Advanced at the end of this year/beginning of next year.

Her attributes are that she's a very good jumper, has a good ground-covering stride on the x-c (usually makes time), is a decent mover, and has a fantastic attitude (very willing and honest). She has been brought up through the levels by an amateur (me), and she has proven herself to be very game and catty out there when I screw up. However, she's not great in the dressage - I would like to breed her to something that consistently produces babies doing well in that phase, as well as something that's a little more uphill and compact (she's rather long as well as tall). Mostly, we have trouble achieving good collection and engagement. Ideally, I would be hoping to produce another upper-level horse, although I know nothing's ever guaranteed.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, or any insight on her pedigree that you might have! I was thinking potentially a KWPN stallion (no one specific in mind yet) might be an interesting match, any opinions on that?

TIA!

piggiponiis
Feb. 28, 2010, 06:52 PM
Is this horse still producing? I know some nice offspring from him. Lovely movers - although none of them have gone to straight dressage (i think owner preference vs. capability)

http://www.frenchstallions.org/french_stallion_detail.php?stallion=2007009

JWB
Feb. 28, 2010, 07:06 PM
Windfall and Formula One both come to mind, though neither are KWPN.

I believe there are a FEW doses of frozen semen left from Fleetwater Opposition. He has produced tons of upper level event babies and consistently produces nice movers.

Young Holsteiner stallion (I think BWP approved) Clair de Lune looks very intriguing although his stud fee is quite high for an unproven stallion IMHO.

Not sure about Formula One but with Windfall or Fleetwater Opposition you have the ATA as a registry option. With CDL you have BWP. Both will inspect TB mares.

lizajane09
Feb. 28, 2010, 07:24 PM
piggiponiis, I think he is - wasn't Headley Brittannia just bred to him (embryo transfer)? He certainly looks like a possibility! Although they do list one of his strong points as "refining heavier mares", of which this horse is not one. But if he's good enough for HB, he's certainly on my short list!

JWB, I looked at Fleetwater Opposition earlier, and while he looks fantastic, there are only 7 doses of his frozen semen left - since I'm not breeding until late next spring, I doubt I have any chance of obtaining it. And I don't even want to know what they could charge for it! Windfall is definitely on the list, but I didn't realize Formula One's offspring were old enough to be out there showing themselves to be good at the dressage? I will definitely look more into Clair de Lune - he looks like an awesome horse but I'm a little wary of breeding to something that hasn't actually proven himself as a sire.

Thank you both for the suggestions!

hhfarm
Feb. 28, 2010, 08:10 PM
Definitely look at Windfall.... I bred my Intermediate/Young Rider's horse years ago to Windfall. Today I have a 6yo stallion by him, and he is the horse of a lifetime... I have ridden at the upper levels for years, and have been blessed to have many wonderful horses, and this horse's talent tops them all. He amazes me each and every day, plus is an absolute natural and takes to eventing like a fish to water.

The Holekamps are terrific to deal with, too. They are extremely knowledgeable, and certainly help to set a bar in event horse breeding in the US. Look at how many of Windfall's babies have been YEH champions! Definitely look into him... My guy is a horse of a lifetime, and our mares sound similar. If I still had my mare, I would breed back to Windfall year after year!

Hope that helps! Good luck and enjoy on this amazing journey!

mugsgame
Feb. 28, 2010, 09:24 PM
My absolute favourite stallion at the moment is Wish Upon a Star - a fully graded son by Gribaldi. He is very honest, trainable and talented. He is owned by the same lady who has Jumbo.

http://www.grafhamstud.co.uk/wishuponastar.php

No progeny under saddle yet but he ticks so many other boxes.


I have added the stats for UK eventing stallions as might interest you.

http://www.britisheventing.com/page.asp?section=261&sectionTitle=Breeding+to+event

elizabeth Callahan
Feb. 28, 2010, 09:28 PM
For frozen
Jaguar Mail ( Denis Glaccum has a 09 filly)
Grafenstoltz - Tk - had foals in European Champ and has competed in 3* event, show jump and now Prix St Georges.
Mighty Magic - 3/4 TB

Fresh
Cicera's Icewater - might be a little heavier than you want but has the pedigree
Hunter - Hol stallion

eventrider
Feb. 28, 2010, 10:03 PM
Christine at EMCO in FL is dealing with the frozen on Fleetwater Opp. You dont have to use them the same year you purchase them, and they arent as expensive as you think. I want to say the higher end of what they had was $750 a dose? Anyway, I would call her and ask her opinion. She was great when I was purchasing the last 2 doses of Jumbo to use on my mare this year ;). And I purchased it last spring/summer, so they can keep it for you until you are ready.

Christan

lizajane09
Feb. 28, 2010, 11:20 PM
Thanks for the suggestions everyone!

Christan, thanks for the added info about EMCO. She'll be 13 and this will be her first foal, so I'm a little worried about using frozen semen, especially purchasing by the dose as there is no LFG, but it definitely gives me another option to consider!

Robby Johnson
Mar. 1, 2010, 12:27 PM
I would strongly consider this stallion - http://www.futuresporthorses.co.uk/Future_illusion1.htm - who I personally saw in England last fall and who will be available via frozen semen this season (through Christine at EMCO, of course!). He is by Fleetwater Opposition and out of a lovely TB mare.

Tazzie
Mar. 1, 2010, 03:25 PM
Grafenstoltz - Tk - had foals in European Champ and has competed in 3* event, show jump and now Prix St Georges.

Wow, very impressive!

purplnurpl
Mar. 1, 2010, 04:12 PM
Video of Tzigane's first son to tackle a Novice course. He will be moved directly up to Training. He's 4 coming 5 in a few months. All of the babies I have seen are like this one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynq7NjOFOQU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r7MwT7Cw4Q




He's amazing. Great jumping lines, great movement, and he is known to pass along the ability to "sit" on the hocks to his offspring.

I'm riding one of his babies and my friend has one as well.
Both are 4 coming 5. They are amazingly quiet. Love to work and have a real go getter attitude.

You can see the kid (Harry) and the dad (Tzigane *Pb*) on my website and on my blog. Thus far Harry has scored a 25, 28, 30, and a 32 (that had two misc. canter trans resulting in two 4s).

http://kaboomeventing.com/harry_houdini.htm

http://kaboomeventing.blogspot.com/

The owner's website is here:
Tzigane is the 6th ATA to be accepted into the German Verband. He was taken to Germany and is at a German Stallion station. : )
http://www.twingates.com/

If I owned Boomer's sister, Luci, I would breed her to him in a heartbeat.

TSHEventing
Mar. 2, 2010, 10:51 AM
Thanks for the suggestions everyone!

Christan, thanks for the added info about EMCO. She'll be 13 and this will be her first foal, so I'm a little worried about using frozen semen, especially purchasing by the dose as there is no LFG, but it definitely gives me another option to consider!



Christine has mentioned to me she thinks they have had 100% conception with Fleetwater, so ifyou have a good repro vet, that may not be an issue. There are about 5 doses left!

I second Catherston Dazzler for a TB mare, Fleetwater I have heard is better for irish horses (though awsome all the way around!) and extremely proven!

Kanga
Mar. 2, 2010, 01:20 PM
My mare got pregnant the first time with Fleetwater Opposition using AI on BOTH babies. I would not let AI hold you back, just have a great vet!

confusedTB
Mar. 2, 2010, 02:03 PM
Christine at EMCO in FL is dealing with the frozen on Fleetwater Opp. You dont have to use them the same year you purchase them, and they arent as expensive as you think. I want to say the higher end of what they had was $750 a dose? Anyway, I would call her and ask her opinion. She was great when I was purchasing the last 2 doses of Jumbo to use on my mare this year ;). And I purchased it last spring/summer, so they can keep it for you until you are ready.

Christan


I second giving Christine a call (or email--she is super fast to respond.) Im breeding my event mare for the first time this spring and had NO idea what type of stallion she needed. Christine asked me to describe the mare -- what I liked, what I didnt, what I wanted, what stallions was I interested in, etc. She was able to give me a really great un-biased opinion of all the stallions they carry as well as hooking me up with some previous breeders so I could talk to them.

Hopefully my mare will be in foal to Catherston Dazzler this spring. I cant wait :D

edited to add -- I think I got the last 2 doses of CD, so he might be a bit difficult to track down. Unless you find someone who changed their mind and will re-sell it.

SisterToSoreFoot
Mar. 2, 2010, 02:07 PM
Did anyone mention Salute the Truth? (http://www.dodonfarm.com/willy1.html)

Talk about soundness. Lovely horse.

lizajane09
Mar. 2, 2010, 02:23 PM
Wow, thanks for all the suggestions! You guys have given me a ton to look into.

Kanga, I'm not worried about AI, just AI with frozen semen versus fresh since it tends to have a lower conception rate. However, it's definitely something I'll talk to the breeder and my vet about, and it does sound like Fleetwater Opposition has a high conception rate even with the frozen. I'm a vet student so fortunately I have access to a lot of repro vets for advice!

Right now it's looking like Catherston Dazzler would be my dream choice if I could make that happen, but there are a LOT of good options out there. Since this mare is pretty nice already, I'm very excited to see what she produces!

TxEventer81
Mar. 3, 2010, 06:29 PM
I would strongly consider this stallion - http://www.futuresporthorses.co.uk/Future_illusion1.htm - who I personally saw in England last fall and who will be available via frozen semen this season (through Christine at EMCO, of course!). He is by Fleetwater Opposition and out of a lovely TB mare.

Love him! Saw him last June and hope to see him again at Badminton's Stallion Parade! :)