How much is this horse worth?

[blondmane]

Weltmeyer mare, imported, black, 16.1hh, 13 years old. NO show record, has had 4 babies, last one sold for $20k last year (was by Fabieux).

Mare has some dressage training. Could do Training or some First. Is definitely not a amateur or junior rider's horse.

How much would this horse be worth?

Owner thinks she's worth $20k but with the market, I really doubt it.

[RSW]

You do not state what your intent for her is for you... i.e. riding horse, broodmare? If broodmare, for me, 20K may be pretty reasonable, depending on quality of the 4 offspring (albeit the last one must have been pretty nice for 20K), and her bloodlines. Is she a direct daughter of Weltmeyer and what about her mare lines, her type, movement etc.?: Guess in the end it really depends on how much you like her enough to spend the money and how badly they want to sell! :) That is just my humble opinion.

[EquusMagnificus]

It'll be interesting to see what others have to say... :)

[alexandra]

To evaluate a bit better, one would need more info like:

What is the rest of her bloodlines, does she have interesting/sucessful offspring or relatives in Germany/USA ? Does she have a show record in hand and/or under saddle in Germany ? What are her scores inspection/mare test ? SPS status ?

For the german part I could give you contacts to find out more. To some extent I can myself find some info. One would need for that her lifenumber and it would be good to have name of dam, damsire, grand dam, grand dam sire, breeders name and adress (at least the town/village)

[YankeeLawyer]

If she is nice, has a good damline, and sound, I have to say she would not be leaving my barn for 20K, particularly if just one of her foals sells for that *in this market.*

[alexandra]

well I have seen a black WM here mare that was supposed to be exported. She had not understandable good scores in inspection and test. She was a long and ugly tank. Nevertheless mare and foal sold for money I would never have paid for. That said: You do not know who wanted that fabuleux foal and unless I have not sold a horse myself, I never believe any price that anyone tells me on sales that were done.

[Signature]

It's so hard because it seems like the market for broodmares is sinking further and further. I've seen a few Elite AHS Mares advertised for as low as $5k lately.

If she is not that easy to ride, and doesn't sound like she's that far along in training for her age, and no show record... at that age even as a riding horse I can't see them getting more than $15k "in this market". So I'd say $10k max as a broodie "in this market"? I also never believe what people tell me about what foals sold for. Just do a search on the internet for broodmares for sale and see if you can find any "comps". :)

[showjumpers66]

I agree. Right now, there are some decent imported mares available in the $5,000 to $10,000 range, so it really depends on her quality.

[patch work farm]

I believe the old saying is: "as much as someone is willing to pay for it".

From recent experience I had a very tough time selling a much younger mare, imported in utero, exemplary bloodlines (Don Frederico/SPS Matcho dam), elite eligible Hanoverian, incredible mover, 16.2 hands (although grey which can be a deal killer) who has produced two excellent Rotspon geldings. I continued to lower my price until I decided that the person who was riding her-a professional, needed to have her and we worked out a very fair situation. I kept hearing that "she wasn't far enough along for her age" (she was 8 at the time) and for that reason no one wanted to pay what I was asking.

The mare just went to her first show under saddle in 5 years, in Florida-she received a 74.8% at First 3 and a 69.8% at First 4, was High Score Prodigy Mare (has produced offspring) and high score winner for the entire show. She is in the BEST possible place I could have ever dreamed of for her and she will continue to do well with her owner/rider. Frankly, for all of the people who snubbed her, her new owner will have the last laugh if she continues to get scores like she just did.

I guess my point is, at 13 you will hear far more of what I heard, she should be at GP by now in most people's minds.

I currently have a 9 year old mare for sale that is AMAZINGLY talented, she does dressage in her sleep but LOVES to jump! She is 15.3 but has amazing presence and takes up your leg a lot...she will go through the exact same scenario, probably more because she is smaller. I know that if I were in the market to buy, I would actually be willing to pay more than her asking price because:

she is BEAUTIFUL with a TON of chrome!
she has been shown
she is very reliable and not spooky
she has obtained her elite title (insurance to breed later if necessary or wanted)by producing a colt last year

but because of the market, her size and her age, others are no longer willing to pay for the horse they used to. From my older vantage point, I would rather pay for a dependable horse of excellent quality so I can compete and not get hurt even if I have no plans of going above 4th level.

[gizmo323]

I think that price is a bit high these days. With the economy being what it is these days, you can pay less than that. I would say 15k is a fair price,but its hard to say without seeing the horse myself. Do you have any pics?

[horsechica58]

I agree. Right now, there are some decent imported mares available in the $5,000 to $10,000 range, so it really depends on her quality.

Yup, I have one. Gotten hits on her, but no one actually has come out to see her :( :no: It's a shame. I really hope the market revives itself soon...

[back in the saddle]

How did she do on her MPT?

[rhoadee]

For Patch Work - I think I inquired on your grey mare last year and if I'm remembering her correctly (please correct me if I'm wrong!) was she recovering from an injury? If I have remembered this correctly, that was the sole reason I didn't pursue her further. It had nothing to do with the color, quality, level of training or price. If I have her mixed up with another horse, my apologies in advance. I'm glad you were able to sell her to a great home and she is proving her talents!

[Sunnydays]

A 13 year old mare, not in foal, would not likely fetch $20k in this market, no matter how nice. She'd have her 1st foal for you at 14 yrs (after you'd paid her keep and breeding fees - easily $6500).
A 3 year old, equally nice, might well be worth $20k, even if not in foal. She could potentially give you 10 more foals, over her lifetime.
A mare due to foal in spring 2010, 4 years old, would be worth more than the same 3 yr old, not in foal. Age and pregnancy status impact value greatly, in my opinion.

[patch work farm]

hijack the thread, I sent a PM-yes, it was the same mare, she recovered really fast. I know I tend to get wordy but my point was that these days there are so many bargains to be had, it is hard to get what we used to for our horses, imported or not.

I just sold an elite Hanoverian broodmare to a wonderful home and in the long run, that was more important. She out produced herself time and time again with several very competitive offspring out there, hopefully her new owners will also get some wonderful babies from her. I considered her price a bargain, but they will take amazing care of her. You need to decide if you can settle on a lower price for a good home or hang on and hope to get what you want.