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kiwifruit
Feb. 25, 2010, 12:53 PM
I apologize if this discussion has been brought up before but what are the differences between a gag with sliding cheek pieces, a three ring elevator bit, and something like the Herm Springer Conrad bit that is similar to the three ring but has one large ring and a half rings attached to the bottom and top? Do they all have the same gag action?

Thanks

Carried Away
Feb. 25, 2010, 01:52 PM
They all put pressure on the poll, but the longer the shank, the more leverage there is. The bottom ring of the 3-ring elevator is more harsh than the "half ring" on the conrad bit.

NancyM
Feb. 26, 2010, 10:10 AM
A classic gag with the sliding cheekpieces running through the bit rings puts LESS pressure on the poll than those with the multiple rings and the extension on the top of the main ring that the cheekpiece attatches to. IMO. The classic gag is more about changing the action of the bit OFF the bars of the mouth and putting it instead onto the corners of the lips with less leverage than you get with the other types of gag. Doing this will run the bit up in the mouth instead of giving a horse who wants to pull DOWN and balance on your hand nothing to support himself on. And thus teach him not to do that anymore.

Which type of gag is right for your particular horse is something that you have to determine through trial and error. Depends on the extent of the problem that you are working with and how the horse responds to each bit.