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Outfxed
Nov. 13, 2003, 05:17 AM
I have an older Rambo t/o sheet that's in perfect condition except it is no longer waterproof. I used the waterproofing that Rambo suggests, cant think of the name right now, but had no success w/that.

Someone told me Thompson's Water Seal would work. Is this true or do ya'll have some other products that you have been successful with. I DONT want to spend $200 buying another sheet for a retiree who has more outfits than I do!

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Outfxed
Nov. 13, 2003, 05:17 AM
I have an older Rambo t/o sheet that's in perfect condition except it is no longer waterproof. I used the waterproofing that Rambo suggests, cant think of the name right now, but had no success w/that.

Someone told me Thompson's Water Seal would work. Is this true or do ya'll have some other products that you have been successful with. I DONT want to spend $200 buying another sheet for a retiree who has more outfits than I do!

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tarynls
Nov. 13, 2003, 05:26 AM
I wash and repair blankets for a living. I absolutely would not use Thompson's Water Seal; your sheet will not be breathable if you use that.

I use the Nikwax Synthetic Rug Proof; it is a wash-in product that I have had much success with. You must use either Rambo Wash or Nikwax Tech Wash before you use the Rug Proof or it will not work.

Good luck
Taryn

Phaxxton
Nov. 13, 2003, 07:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tarynls:
I wash and repair blankets for a living. I absolutely would not use Thompson's Water Seal; your sheet will not be breathable if you use that.

I use the Nikwax Synthetic Rug Proof; it is a wash-in product that I have had much success with. You must use either Rambo Wash or Nikwax Tech Wash before you use the Rug Proof or it will not work.

Good luck
Taryn<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Does this only work on blankets that were once waterproof? Or will it work to waterproof non-waterproof or only water-resistant blankets??

Outfxed
Nov. 13, 2003, 09:30 AM
Thanks, Taryn for your input. It was the Nikwax waterproofing that I used and I just went into the tack room and read the label again. It only says to use with a CLEAN blanket, not that it HAS to be washed with another Rambo product. What's the big deal w/the blanket having to be also washed with something that Rambo markets? My local tack shop carries the waterproofing, but not the wash stuff.

Is there another product that will work as well? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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lilblackhorse
Nov. 13, 2003, 09:38 AM
I use campdry, it works just fine. I spray it on my cleaned blankets after they are washed, and let them airdry (and unsmell ) for a day afterward. I don't know it's cost comparison to the nikwax stuff-i also have a gallon of new, non silicone spray waterproofer, which is really nice and smells better. I would never recommend the thompson's either

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Sleepy
Nov. 13, 2003, 10:39 AM
Big Belgian, the point is that it has to be clean. Go to your nearest sporting goods/camping store and get some Nikwax wash. Wash the sheet first and then re-waterproof it.

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Outfxed
Nov. 13, 2003, 12:08 PM
Sleepy, OF COURSE my sheet was CLEAN prior to me using the Nikwax waterproofer! Im certainly NOT going to try waterproofing something that was filthy.

I dont understand why it has to be washed with a specific product, i.e, Nikwax Wash, if the directions on the label only say "clean", not "wash only with Nikwax Wash or this stuff wont work". Nowhere on the label does it even suggest that the waterproofing wont work unless you use their wash. I followed their directions precisely and the waterproofing did not work for me. I wanted to know if anyone had any other success using something else.

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Sleepy
Nov. 13, 2003, 01:07 PM
I don't think it's the specific product so much as it is it has to be a very mild detergent or real soap. And unfortunately that doesn't seem to be available in the supermarket anymore. They've changed the formualtions on Ivory and Dreft.

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Cherry
Nov. 13, 2003, 03:28 PM
BB, the "wash" formulated for washing blankets probably cleans better and rinses better from the sheets/blankets than other soaps or detergents creating a foundation that will allow the waterproofing to work to its fullest...

I flunked Chemistry class but it just stands to reason that if one would want to use a specific waterproofing product that one would want to use the same brand of "wash" to launder it, if only to ensure success... I'm sure it has something to do with molecules and the process of bonding which I do not understand and, therefore, cannot explain to you... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif But it's at work!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I believe it also takes some time for the waterproofing to cure--more than just overnight... If you didn't give it sufficient time to dry and "cure" before sending the blanket out in the rain then this could be another reason why it failed...

Perhaps it would be less hassle for you to just send your blankets and sheets out to a horse laundry and have them worry about all that for you!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Then, if it doesn't work you have someone to blame... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Thompson's Water Seal was made for sealing concrete and wood--not for fabrics... Not only that but I would be afraid to put it on my horse with all those chemicals in it--you'd better think long and hard before using that!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

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[This message was edited by Cherry on Nov. 13, 2003 at 06:37 PM.]

Outfxed
Nov. 13, 2003, 03:41 PM
Thanks, Guys. Sheesh, I didnt realize Id have to have a degree in chemistry in order to water proof a lousy sheet!

To top it off, the stinking Goretex sheet that I have has also stopped being waterproof! Both sheets are in perfect repair, perfectly clean and perfectly useless to me as a wet weather turnout. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

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tarynls
Nov. 13, 2003, 03:56 PM
What you wash it with makes a HUGE difference whether or not the Nikwax waterproofing will "take". The Nikwax Synthetic Rug Proof will work on any synthetic fabric, doesn't matter if it was once waterproof or not.

I am actually looking at the label right now and instruction #1 is: "Clean garment first using a non-detergent soap (such as Nikwax Tech Wash)."

Regular laundry detergents (Tide, etc..) leave a residue on the fabric and the waterproofing agent cannot penetrate through it.

Another important thing to consider with the Nikwax product is for it to work to its fullest, you need to put the sheet in the dryer (on medium or high setting) afterward. They also state that on their label.

Good luck...

Taryn

Erin
Nov. 13, 2003, 04:05 PM
OK, so what ARE you supposed to wash blankets with? Are there any "regular" detergents (like Woolite) that can be used?

Last time, I think I washed mine in Planet or one of those eco-friendly detergents...

3dazey
Nov. 13, 2003, 04:43 PM
Geez Big Belgian, you've really wrecked my evening. Your GORETEX isn't waterprooof anymore? Good heavens, I thought it was supposed to be so forever. I bought two last year and hoped they would go on and on and on. AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

WhatzUp
Nov. 13, 2003, 05:27 PM
Hi !

Carr Day and Martin (UK) make a fabulous blanket reproofer ! They also make a blanket refresher which gets rid of "old smell" ...

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chartley
Nov. 13, 2003, 06:36 PM
A great waterproofing spray-on available cheap at wal-mart. It's called silicone water guard. 100% waterproof and breathable. Comes in a can with a bright orange lid. It's also available at some camping stores. Much cheaper than scotchguard but does take 2 cans to do a turnout thoroughly. Some of my rambo's are 12 years old and still going strong.

Outfxed
Nov. 13, 2003, 08:31 PM
Chartley, that's EXACTLY what I wanted to hear! THANK YOU! Im off to Walmart tomorrow.

Sadly, 3dazey, the Goretex bit the dust only after two years of so so water repellancy. I think it was made by Classic. I know it was pretty expensive, like $275.00, and I was sorely disappointed in it. I hope you have better luck w/yours!

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Hexel
Nov. 13, 2003, 08:45 PM
So far so good with my Gortex. I have some that are going on 4 yr's old. Also made by Classic.
They are turnouts, the outer fabric has lost it's waterproofing, however luckily so far the gortex liner still keeps them dry. I also have used camp dry with Rambo's in the past. Will need to check out the nik wax. Guess I'll have to get out the cheese grater and buy Ivory bars and grate them into the washer. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif Or is that not pure soap anymore either?

creseida
Nov. 13, 2003, 09:04 PM
Would Orvis work as well, since it seems to be something recommended for washing delicate lace, as well as a product used on the horses themselves??

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Cherry
Nov. 14, 2003, 04:01 AM
Creseida, Orvis paste is a detergent... When I worked at State Line Tack they told us to tell people that it is a stripper--it will strip off the build-up that you get on your horse from using excessive Show Sheen and those kind of products... Use what you will, but I would contact the company that makes Orvis and run it by them before using it... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

If you want to maintain the waterproofing on your sheets and blankets and the warranty has expired you can use Delicare, by Arm and Hammer or Dr. Bronner's Sals Suds (adding a dash of baking soda to help it work) starting with an eighth of a cup and adding more, if necessary...

If your sheet and/or blanket is under warranty you need to use the cleaner and re-proofer that the manufacturer recommends or your warranty will be null and void... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

If you are using a spray repellent remember that it cannot be applied if the temp is below 50 degrees... Two light coats applied 24 hours apart is better than one heavy coat and after 48 hours a third coat down the center of the sheet/blanket in about a three foot swath will assure that it will not fail... Allow to dry for 24 more hours and you should be good to go...

Or you could just send it to a horse laundry and forget you ever read this stuff!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif The more research I do the more the more sending out my sheets and blankets to be done by someone else begins to make sense... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif Doing horse jackets is not for the faint of heart!!! I just did some, so I can say that!!!

BB, I don't think you really need a degree in chemistry to do this stuff--you just need to know what you don't know... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif When I flunked chemistry I just had to make up my mind that my talent in that area is limited and now before I use anything that requires chemicals I consult my brother-in-law (who is a chemist), my veterinarians (large and small), or the company that makes the product I am interested in using before I do or use anything... Research is my best friend!!! "A man's got to know his limitations!", http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif (if ya know what I mean)... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

I wouldn't wash my synthetic sheets/blankets in Woolite... I used to knit and a yarn shop owner told me of an incident where a customer had attempted to wash a cotton sweater she had so lovingly knitted in Woolite and it ate the sweater apart!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif I am also into learning from others' mistakes as I will never live long enough to make them all myself... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Best of luck to everyone!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[This message was edited by Cherry on Nov. 14, 2003 at 07:11 AM.]

RunningwaterWBs
Nov. 14, 2003, 04:50 AM
Woolite also pulls the color out of a garmant.

I'm a knitter too and would never use it on anything I've made (this seems to be common knowledge in knitting circles, BTW).

HelloAgain
Nov. 14, 2003, 07:01 AM
Basically, detergents (all commercial washing soaps INCLUDING woolite) literally grab onto water. They will leave a residue on your blankets that will ALSO grab onto water. Obviously this destroys the waterproofing qualities of te blanket, it needs to *repel* water, not grab it.

In other words, no, there are NO commercially available non-detergent soaps available anymore, ever since Ivory Snow changed its formula to become a detergent. Non-detergent cleansers (such as Rambo Wash and Tech Wash) can be bought through camping catalogs (www.rei.com) (http://www.rei.com)).
As for Gore-tex, Gore-tex is a fabric liner, however, all Gore-tex blankets (and jackets such as those made by North Face or whatever) are also coated with a DWR -- or Durable Water Repellant - Finish. This is what makes the water *bead up* off the fabric. As someone already noted, the DWR can be damaged but Gore-Tex still retains its ability to be breathably waterproof. The DWR just helps it do it better.

Nikwax TX-Direct is a popular DWR refresher. The Gore company (makers of Gore-Tex) also makes a product but I can't recall the name.

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Tom King
Nov. 14, 2003, 07:14 AM
How many of these "no longer waterproof blankets" have been washed in a carwash or with other type of pressure washer?

For "soap" to wash this type stuff with look in a backpacking store or I think Target even has it. Personal experience on backpacking stuff shows that the spray on silicone only lasts a couple of days. There is some other spray on stuff that will last on boots for a ten day trip and probably a lot longer. I looked for some here but couldn't find any. I believe Target sells it in the camping section. It comes in a smallish spray can with a dark green top. Smells terrible for a few hours but works.

Thompson's is just wax disolved in mineral spirits. The mineral spirits evaporate away and leaves the wax. We use it on the Scout Troop's old cotton canvas tents. I wouldn't use it on synthetics.

sweetnlo
Nov. 14, 2003, 09:15 AM
I picked up a spray can of "Thunder shield" or something at Petsmart last night, to spray where Horsewash of RI, where Dover sends blankets, did THE WORST repairs I've ever seen. I have used the "wash and rinse" products, they worked well for me, I usually wash with no detergent before they get too grungy, the heat of the drier is supposed to "reactivate" the waterproofing a little.

Sleepy
Nov. 14, 2003, 09:26 AM
You put them in the dryer?!?!?! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Aren't you afraid they'll melt? I could have sworn all my sheets and blankets say no dryer. I wash them in the front loader and hang them on the fence.

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Saddith
Nov. 14, 2003, 09:34 AM
I remember the directions for washing from my toklat timberline blanket - it says to put it in the dryer on low heat will reactivate the teflon waterproofing.

So some synthetics can handle a low heat dryer...

HelloAgain
Nov. 14, 2003, 10:17 AM
I've posted this link before, but YES, the Teflon company says that high-heat drying is beneficial to the finish.

http://www.dupont.com/teflon/fabricprotector/how/how_faq.html

A quote from the link above:
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For outerwear, do you still do light ironing to activate?
A heat treatment (warm ironing or tumble-drying) will optimize the performance of Teflon®.
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What is *not* beneficial to the blanket is having the straps get tangled in the dryer and subsequently rip right off. Which is why the blanket companies say not to tumble dry them. That instruction has *nothing* to do with the finish itself.

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Cherry
Nov. 14, 2003, 10:33 AM
I've had my WeatherBeeta sheet and blanket for about four years now and the waterproofing on the sheet has started to fail... I have decided that my horse's rolling in the paddock (bare ground with some small stones) is the reason why it has broken down--it's never been washed off at a car wash or with a power sprayer... It just failed from normal wear and tear... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

I believe it's best to periodically wash off sheets and blankets with a hose, scrub the mud off with a soft brush, then hang up 'em up to dry--that way you won't have to wash them with soap as often and it helps preserve the waterproof finish... Yes it's a hassle, but sheets and blankets are an investment... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

There are some blanket washes on the market--Nature's Blend, Saddler's makes a blanket wash, and Eqyss makes one...

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Hexel
Nov. 14, 2003, 10:48 AM
Thanks for the good waterproofing info.
The majority of the blankets we use are teflon coated gortex lined. My thoughts are the average person does not roll and grind mud into their gortex jackets http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif. So I guess maybe the teflon holds up better in jackets. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
The outer teflon waterproofing held up for about 2 washings on the horse blankets. Fortunate for us the gortex liner is still keeping them dry and snug. With the minimal price difference between Classic Gortex blankets and ones that only have an outer waterproofing, I'm going to stick with the gortex. We have a few blankets non gortex, the nikwax or campdry sounds like the way to go with them. Good info Homeagain.

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Cherry
Nov. 17, 2003, 02:41 AM
For those of you who need an easier way to care for your sheets and blankets--Chick's Discount Saddlery has kits you can buy that consist of a container of pure soap and a container of wash-in reproofer for either synthetic or natural fabrics--$9.99 a set, just enough for one load... For more information, click here (http://www.chicksaddlery.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=00005000) and scroll down and to the right near the end of the page... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Maybe a good idea for that horseperson on your Christmas list??? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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cbv
Nov. 17, 2003, 04:40 AM
I used the cheap,orange-topped can of silicone from walmart on two rambo turnout sheets last winter. Here in Virginia it was a very wet winter and spring, and those sheets were well used for at least four months. By the end of the spring (and I think I ended up using them through a good part of April, probably water-proofed them in Dec-Jan), one of them was starting to soak through in a couple of small spots, but overall, I thought the product worked well for one season. And better than the more expensive product I tried on another blanket.

This year I picked up a spray waterproofing at an outdoors/sporting goods store. It dries much faster and covers much better, but will have to wait and see how well it works. I sprayed one blanket with it and so far so good, but we haven't had that much rain so far.

equinelaundry
Nov. 17, 2003, 10:48 AM
I wash EVERYTHING in cold water and use a soap -detergent will strip waterproofing and damage fibers on stable blanekts. I use NIKWAX waterproofing specifically for horse clothing. I'd never give away my secret with the soap and deoderizer I use - except to say it is made with natural ingredients. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Erin
Nov. 17, 2003, 11:01 AM
Argh! You won't let the rest of us in on the trade secrets?? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

equinelaundry
Nov. 17, 2003, 01:38 PM
Nope!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Kimberlee
Nov. 17, 2003, 02:05 PM
Getting back to Orvis... I thought that orvis was so great because it did not strip, yes? No?

Being from the lovely Pacific Northwest I have used Thompson's waterseal on turn-outs. Maybe not the best thing to use, but hey, the ponies were dry and happy! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Outfxed
Nov. 17, 2003, 05:46 PM
Well, I picked up a spray can of that orange topped silicone stuff from Walmart today and Im going to give it a go on my Rambo and Goretex sheets this week and see how well they work. We are supposed to get rain this week, so I guess I will find out how well it holds up.

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