Now I need a little help parusing the stallion options for a Top Jumper mare...

[CrossWinds81]

My breeding plans for this lovely mare have changed due to the stallion I was considering no longer being available...

I also likely only have one year to breed this wonderful girl as I have her on lease...she is Alexis Z/Diskus/Gotthard and the half sister to Jonathan Millar's former GP mount Noble 1. She herself brings a lot to the table...she is tall (16.3hh) fairly correct with long lines, and not too heavy for being an older type mare. Her gaits are strong and athletic and she is a powerhouse. She could use longer legs in proportion to her body, and quicker reflexes...ie: needs more blood. I like the idea of using some Heartbreaker blood with her, I like French and Holsteiner blood...and open to others, I'm not looking to produce another older type horse... so a stallion consistently refining or producing modern horses is a plus. I will try frozen for 2 cycles, but it's got to be really good. I tried frozen last year to no avail, but think her being open has more to do with the stress of moving across the country and being quite late into the season.

So, stallion A is your idea of the IDEAL perfect match
Stallion B is a nearly Ideal fresh semen option
Stallion C are fun out of the box ideas

For example: So far I am thinking...
A: Quattro B would be pretty ideal for her. He consistently produces a short-coupled modern horse with good gaits and jumping ability to spare, and truly a versatile sire with many offspring at the international level. I am leary of the quality of his semen.

B: Beaulieu's Conquest is an idea I have been toying with. I love how consistently he throws a blood type horse with lovely gaits, and lots of expression. They look to be true athletes.

C: out-of-the-box thought is Silver Twist (Abdullah/Good Twist xx/Avante Garde xx) ...I have seen him in person, and really like him quite a bit, but he just doesn't have anything on the ground...he hasn't been marketed, so he hasn't produced anything or had any truly good mares bred to him (rather unfortunate really).

[toomanyponies]

If I was in Canada I would seriously consider Conquest - I think he is great. What about Banderas for blood? or Quinar - refining stallion, or Landfriese II - also leggy and modern?

[tucktaway]

your C stallion makes me think of Special Memories..

[MagicHillFarm]

Willemoes DVE (Holsteiner) at www.Hilcatfarm.com

His show record in Europe and his offspring's achievements speak for themselves....He is IJF and IHF nominated for 2010.


All of his get are attractive, move well and jump incredibly well. I recently went down to LA to see him in person and see some more of his offspring. We freejumped 5 of the 2yos and they were all amazing...brave, scopey, kind & sensible. They all looked like they had a big jump in them, though some were more jumpery and some more huntery, depending on what types of mares they were out of....

Watch for this stallion's babies out in the hunter ring as well...HilCat Farm is working very hard at the moment to incorporate more hunter type mares into their program and have really produced some super fancy hunter types with very stylish jumps. Keep your eye on him, I think you are going to be seeing some Hunter Derby horses out there by him :)

HilCat is also waiting anxiously for the arrival a very special jumper foal....Laura Kraut's international GP mare, "Miss Independent", is expecting a 2010 Willemoes foal. Very exciting!


But OP....seriously, contact Hilda Lanaux at HilCat Farm about your mare...you will not find a more accomodating stallion owner, she is great. She is always willing to consider special consideration for "special mares". Her # is 985 630-5552.

Best of Luck!

[GGStables]

My breeding plans for this lovely mare have changed due to the stallion I was considering no longer being available...

I also likely only have one year to breed this wonderful girl as I have her on lease...she is Alexis Z/Diskus/Gotthard and the half sister to Jonathan Millar's former GP mount Noble 1. She herself brings a lot to the table...she is tall (16.3hh) fairly correct with long lines, and not too heavy for being an older type mare. Her gaits are strong and athletic and she is a powerhouse. She could use longer legs in proportion to her body, and quicker reflexes...ie: needs more blood. I like the idea of using some Heartbreaker blood with her, I like French and Holsteiner blood...and open to others, I'm not looking to produce another older type horse... so a stallion consistently refining or producing modern horses is a plus. I will try frozen for 2 cycles, but it's got to be really good. I tried frozen last year to no avail, but think her being open has more to do with the stress of moving across the country and being quite late into the season.

So, stallion A is your idea of the IDEAL perfect match
Stallion B is a nearly Ideal fresh semen option
Stallion C are fun out of the box ideas

For example: So far I am thinking...
A: Quattro B would be pretty ideal for her. He consistently produces a short-coupled modern horse with good gaits and jumping ability to spare, and truly a versatile sire with many offspring at the international level. I am leary of the quality of his semen.

B: Beaulieu's Conquest is an idea I have been toying with. I love how consistently he throws a blood type horse with lovely gaits, and lots of expression. They look to be true athletes.

C: out-of-the-box thought is Silver Twist (Abdullah/Good Twist xx/Avante Garde xx) ...I have seen him in person, and really like him quite a bit, but he just doesn't have anything on the ground...he hasn't been marketed, so he hasn't produced anything or had any truly good mares bred to him (rather unfortunate really).

Yes, Quattro B is also a favourite of mine but I too, am very nervous of his semen quality. It gets really expensive, really quickly!;)

No specific stallion comes to mind but by the sound of your mare and the fact that you like Holsteiners, think C-line jumpers with Cor de la Bryere lurking. He was known for outstanding, cat-like jumping with wonderful bascule.

LadyKiller xx lines i.e. sons, Landgraf or Lord will help. too.

The C and L jumper lines do well against the D and G ones, I find.

To my understanding, the SF stallions tend to be rangier/longer horses - something to keep in mind if she's already that.

[MCarverS]

Dito about Willemoes. We are eagerly awaiting our 2010 Willemoes filly due in a few weeks.

[horserider12]

option c: Bartano by cartano(carthago z) out of elise (legaat) this will be his first season breeding. He is well started under saddle, beautiful leggy mover, super scopey jump and olympic bloodlines! if you send me your email I can send pics.

[Royal Monaco]

I second Conquest.

I went at Beaulieu's Farm several times and I saw foals, yearilngs and 2 y.o. by Conquest. They are all talented, typey and have nice gaits.

I own a 2007 Conquest filly that has an enourmous jump and gaits to die for. She has lots of scope, knees up and tight. She is agile as a cat,wise and fast learner.

Friends of mine also have Conquest foals and they all say the same.

I wish you the best with your future foal.

[sfstable]

For example: So far I am thinking...
A: Quattro B would be pretty ideal for her. He consistently produces a short-coupled modern horse with good gaits and jumping ability to spare, and truly a versatile sire with many offspring at the international level. I am leary of the quality of his semen.

I love Quattro B. I am one of the lucky ones who did get a mare in foal to Quattro B with frozen semen. Really beginner's luck, my first use of frozen semen, older mare and we got a pregnancy first try -- she is his first foal bred/born in the US. My filly (mare) is now 5 years old and is at the trainer's in Ocala. She will begin showing this year undersaddle. However, his frozen semen is not always good but has produced at least 4-5 foals in N. America in the past 5 years. So as much as I love him you may want to seriously consider other stallions.

I am a huge fan of the French blood. I really like Edelweiss du Bonce. He does have one 2009 foal on the ground and I think a pretty good crop coming this year. Unfortuately my mare aborted his foal this year (same dam as my Quattro filly). I am going to breed a different mare to him this year as I really want one of his offspring (crossing my fingers for a filly :)).

Also, take a look at my guy, Richard. He has some French blood and is an all around athletic horse. He is available both under fresh and frozen semen contracts and I am offering live foal guarantee with the frozen semen option also.

[Eye in the Sky]

Magic Hill, I can totally understand the recommendation for Willemoes, but why did you not suggest their other stallion, Capitaan? Do you think the lines would not cross as well?

Capitaan just has such fabulous old lines, that created such great new ones - do you think they would be too old for "updating" the mare in question's lines/frame?

[CrossWinds81]

option c: Bartano by cartano(carthago z) out of elise (legaat) this will be his first season breeding. He is well started under saddle, beautiful leggy mover, super scopey jump and olympic bloodlines! if you send me your email I can send pics.

greatergoodsporthorses@gmail.com or sales@equine-wellness.net

[CrossWinds81]

I second Conquest.

I went at Beaulieu's Farm several times and I saw foals, yearilngs and 2 y.o. by Conquest. They are all talented, typey and have nice gaits.

I own a 2007 Conquest filly that has an enourmous jump and gaits to die for. She has lots of scope, knees up and tight. She is agile as a cat,wise and fast learner.

Friends of mine also have Conquest foals and they all say the same.

I wish you the best with your future foal.

Agreed entirely!!! I really do think that Beaulieu Farm's is producing some of the best young horses in North America.

But, I am still keeping my options open for now to see if there is a stallion I did not originally have on my radar.

I'll try to post pics of her today...if I can find the cord that goes from my camera to the computer!

Capitaan is definitely a no go as far as type I am looking for...and doesn't have much on the ground to speak of. I need a stallion with blood! ;) Interesting bloodlines for sure, but I only get one chance with this lovely girl so I want to get it as right as I can!

Some stallions I keep thinking about in no particular order:
Quattro B
Quicksilber
VDL Arezzo...though not sure that his semen is available here
Beaulieu's Conquest, Heartbreaker, and if available Heart To Beat
Chesapeake
Flipper d'elle
Milous des Fontaines
Vancouver d'Auvray
Silver Twist
Quick Start Quidam Junior
Claire de Lune
I love Richebourge, but also not available here
I especially like the new Schokemoehle stallion Toulouse!!! I'll have to ask about quality of his frozen semen
anything with Laudanum xx or Narcos II close up is a thought too
I have a feeling she'll cross quite well with a little Pilot blood too...maybe a son of Coronet Obolensky?? Ahh, but see most of these are frozen!!! Arrgh! I'm going to go crazy! lol

???there are plenty more, but my mind is blanking

Keep the suggestions coming I really appreciate all responses, there are several I had not even thought of. Willemoes has the delicious Wahnfried right up close and I do love that...what a great motherline to have! I agree that Corde crosses quite well with these blood lines.

I do have my heart set on Quattro, so I might give it a go even if common sense says no. Is that bad??

[sfstable]

I do have my heart set on Quattro, so I might give it a go even if common sense says no. Is that bad??

No, he is worth taking a chance on. I love my Quattro filly but she can be a little opinionated :)

Talk directly to Jeannette Nijhof at Team Nijhof for Quattro B. She is very nice to deal with and will give you honest answers. www.team-nijhof.nl. I think all but one of the N. American foals bred by frozen came from Team Nijhof. They do offer LFG on their frozen semen so maybe get some doses of Quattro B but see if they have another stallion in their line-up that appeals to you for a back-up plan. Their frozen semen is handled in the US by Pacific International Genetics.

[mbp]

I can certainly understand the Quattro B gameplan. I also think Silver Twist might be very interesting.

Another suggestion might be Caretino frozen, except I have no idea on availabilty, motility, etc. - or an offspring like Cabardino. Caretino & issue with the quick reflexes, beutiful from and good movers in a not-huge package brings in a bit of what Quattro brings.

[showjumpers66]

Two of my favorites ... Diarado and Casall.

[CrossWinds81]

showjumpers66, thank you for reminding me! I love Casall...That caretino/lavall/raimondo could be quite interesting with her. Ramiro/Alme is a known nick, throw in the refinement of caretino and elasticity of lavall...that could be quite interesting indeed... hmmm...

mbp...caretino is notorious for terrible semen quality unfortunately. Casall maybe an option though, and it combines the brother of my favorite damsire (Lavall II), Lavall I.

Have you seen VDL Arezzo!! http://www.vdlstud.com/paard/3/1/109/jumping-horses/arezzo-vdl.htm His pedigree is also yummy with hers!
http://www.paardenfokken.nl/pedigree.php?horseid=267161&maxniveau=6

[TrotTrotPumpkn]

Have you seen VDL Arezzo!! http://www.vdlstud.com/paard/3/1/109/jumping-horses/arezzo-vdl.htm His pedigree is also yummy with hers!
http://www.paardenfokken.nl/pedigree.php?horseid=267161&maxniveau=6

Yum is right. Are there any conformation pictures of this guy?

[GGStables]

Have you guys seen Aerobic? Carthago x Heartbreaker x Voltaire. More yumminess.

Also, there's Ciacomo who gorgeous, too: Cor de la Bryere x Lavall I x Ronald.

[horserider12]

speaking of conformation, bartano finished 2nd in the nation this year for conformation, wish I could post pics! emailed them to you

[Foxdale Farm]

How about Valentino Z at Rising Star Farm? He has an incredibly interesting and exciting pedigree and resume. I don't know how many Darco sons are available with fresh in the US? http://www.risingstarfarm.net/horse%20pages/Valentino%20Z.html

www.foxdalefarm.us

[CrossWinds81]

I like Valentino Z very much, but this mare is going to need more blood...they like to breed blood mares to Darco and certain Darco offspring as well. She is just too old fashioned for this cross. But great suggestion, that would be one great jumper pedigree, eh?!

Just saw a website with Con Capilot (Con Capitol/Pilot), he is interesting too. Very nice horse...maybe also not entirely what I am aiming for, but a nice horse worth mentioning that looks like he could also be dual purpose (hunters or jumpers) for those who are looking for that. I'd like longer lines to cross on this mare ideally. Think tall and lanky like Air Jordan Z. (not too fond of his hind leg angles though) This is the type I am aiming for though.

I'll have to take a look at Ciacomo and Aerobic! That's a great pedigree

[allanglos]

[QUOTE=CrossWinds81;4676877]My breeding plans for this lovely mare have changed due to the stallion I was considering no longer being available...

I also likely only have one year to breed this wonderful girl as I have her on lease...she is Alexis Z/Diskus/Gotthard and the half sister to Jonathan Millar's former GP mount Noble 1. She herself brings a lot to the table...she is tall (16.3hh) fairly correct with long lines, and not too heavy for being an older type mare. Her gaits are strong and athletic and she is a powerhouse. She could use longer legs in proportion to her body, and quicker reflexes...ie: needs more blood. QUOTE]

I haven't read through all the posts, but how about a SWB? His dam is an Anglo Arabian (approved SWB), so the blood is there.

Here is a photo at age three.

He is located in GA. www.ginnfarm.com

[Performance Sires]

Go to http://www.paardenfokken.nl/index.php
Type in name of horse to go to his pedigree, then click of progeny. Motherline shows the family. For the European stallions and imported stallions, it is very helpful.

Re. Capitaan, he was bought as a foal by Harm Thormaelen, breeder of Capitol I and Olympic medalist Fein Cera with Peter Wylde. I just received an email from the Thormaelen family that said what a good performance family he is from. A Holsteiner Verband judge owns a half brother out of Kamille. Look him up on the above site. Click on motherline to see the family. He has a 44.7 % tb index with Cottage Son xx, Rantzau xx and Ramzes AA in his 4 generation pedigree. Some of the older stallions can have some of the best performance bloodlines close up in the pedigree and lots of blood. He throws modern foals with very long legs. His oldest that we know of is eventing with pro Danny Warrington. My 4 yr old mare by Cappy is due to have a Willemoes foal any day.

[julie710]

How about Valentino Z at Rising Star Farm? He has an incredibly interesting and exciting pedigree and resume. I don't know how many Darco sons are available with fresh in the US? http://www.risingstarfarm.net/horse%20pages/Valentino%20Z.html

www.foxdalefarm.us

I really like the stallion! Have been talking to the owner for a while using him on my Calvados X Galoubet mare.

[kookicat]

How about Indoctro? (http://www.greenacres-stud.com/indoctro.htm)

[karin@dutchbreeders@aol.com]

Hello Everyone!
Some great ideas here! Since you like french Blood, and want to refine/modernize your mare, how about Balou du Rouet (Baloubet du Rouet X Continue X Domino) ? We have had 7 Balou's out of three very different mares, all are fantastic,athletes, fancy, refined and all 6 presented to the KWPN, have been First Premiums and Ster(2). Bleu was "Mature Jumper Champion" at her ISF Keuring, and our Balou filly out of a different mare was "Jumper Foal Champion", and 4th in the US.

I have found Balou to be a refining stallion. I will post a couple of photos below of some of our Balou's. Many more, and much information, can be seen on the website at www.sportingchancefarm.com .

Hope this helps!

[ponygirl]

Take a look at Spy Coast Farm's new stallion Lucas. He's of the type that would compliment this mare and the blood is very good as well.

One other I like, Champion Du Lys.

[Jumphigh83]

Breeding my jumper mare to Landkoenig. Landkoenig has reached the $1 million mark in offspring winnings in 2009.
http://www.rainbowequus.com/Lankoenig.htm

[Limone]

Who did you decide on? I would go with Conquest I knew him as a 5 yr old if I remember correctly (4 or 5) and was so impressed by his presence and athleticism I was lucky enough to board at the same facility as them through WEF and all of their stallions are incredibly well behaved and really amazing. My vet recently bought a Coolman baby that is really amazing! Conquest is really amazingly balanced. He has great confirmation, moves beautifully and jumps near perfection. He is going to be a really top stallion one day.

[vineyridge]

For Laudanum line, IF you can find him, the former GP jumper Elu de la Hardiere is SF licensed, with Laudanum as sire and a dam who has also produced another international level show jumping stallion. Last known to be in the US. He apparently sired some decent horses before he was brought here.

I've searched for Elu de la Hardiere but can't find anything to indicate if and where he is standing at the moment.

[serenityfarm]

You may consider Equinox SF. He is by Torino (by Heartbreaker). Torino is now a gelding unfortunately though I think quite a few people are curious how he does in the jumper ring with A.K. See Equinox on our web site: www.serenityfarmsinc.com He is a modern type stallion with excellent gaits (showing in dressage at the moment) and a great jumper (87% at his stallion approvals in jumping). He will end up in the jumpers after he completes his stallion requirements in dressage.

[karin@dutchbreeders@aol.com]

If you love the Quattro line, and want good semen, I would seriously consider Quiksilber! My Silvio 1 Elite Preferent mare had a GORGEOUS refined filly by Quiksilber who is now 2 years old and stunning. Quiksilber will definitely refine, and add beautiful type. I will include some photos below..... I am planning on getting updated photos as soon as I can get the manes pulled..... BTW, the mare shown with Deja Vu, is an ET recipient. Got the pregnancy and ET from our first Quiksilber breeding.....

[Stall_Luetkemeier]

If you can get Casall, just do it! Pretty horses with a perfect jump, very expressive gaits and very good rideability.

For example, chestnut gelding out of Alcatraz mother:
http://www.stall-luetkemeier.de/cache/3_0_0_200x148_images_stories_pferde_Teddy_Spenge1. jpg

or mare by Casall out of Coronado mother:
http://www.stall-luetkemeier.de/cache/4_0_0_200x146_images_stories_pferde_referenzen_Sis sy_Sunshinetour%203.jpg

She has a beautiful face!!! :yes:

By the way, I LOVE Almé-blood in showjumpers, my best two mares are by Alexis and Amalgan. They both have a very strong back and that is what you definitely need for competing in the bigger classes!

[holsteinersrock]

Casall is great, very elegant, saw him at Graf Rantzau's place two years ago, but I did not think his semen is available here right now??? I was told there is no way to get it. If somebody has some, let me know!!!

Roller Coaster would be an excellent choice, or his son Rolling Rock, both can be found in the AHHA roster http://holsteiner.com/PDF/2010AHHAStallion.pdf that is chock full of stellar jumper stallions.

Cassini II is a world class sire and his frozen semen is excellent http://www.foxfirefarm.us/pages/verband_stallions/cassini2.html . Quinar would also be at the top of my list.

Or you could go with one of our boys. ;)

Anna

[mikali]

I've always liked the Casall son, Zavall VDL. The handful of foals that I have seen by him have been beautiful - nice refinement but still looking very powerful.