Proven upper-level jumper (ntl and intnl) producer in US?

[notforyouorme]

How about a list of proven (multiple offspring, please) national and international jumper producers available via fresh semen? Any help here?

[toomanyponies]

check Rainbow Equus. . . .
Quinar

[risingstarfarm]

Landkoenig
Mezcalero
Navarone
Roc USA (his offspring have done really well in the YJ program which is a stepping stone to UL)
Orlando (is he still here or in France?)
Sadly Hailo just passed :(

I'm sure I'll think of some more.

Need to add Lio Calyon and Riverman

[risingstarfarm]

You will probably be better off looking at some really nice sons of exceptional European based (or dead) stallions:

Darco sons ;)
Concorde sons
Heartbreaker sons
Calido sons
Cassini I sons
etc, etc.

[RyTimMick]

I second the following for fresh even though they are COMPLETELY different:

Quinar
Mezcalero

but I would add Campesino as Frozen, his frozen is better then some fresh and he was once listed on WBFSH as 25th leading jumping sire.

Tim

[CrossWinds81]

You will probably be better off looking at some really nice sons of exceptional European based (or dead) stallions:

Darco sons ;)
Concorde sons
Heartbreaker sons
Calido sons
Cassini I sons
etc, etc.

Are there any Heartbreaker or Calido sons currently available in the US?

[Hilltop Farm Inc]

Both Laroche (Concorde-Nimmerdor) and Riverman (Redfort-Landego) are available by cooled semen for the 2010 season and have produced upper-level jumpers.

[risingstarfarm]

Are there any Heartbreaker or Calido sons currently available in the US?

Isn't Torino a Heartbreaker son? Also, Orlando - I don't know if he's here or in France though. Timebreaker in Canada is by Heartbreaker.

Silvercreek Farm owns Cathalido - he's currently in Germany, but will be back after some showing.

That's off the top of my head - maybe others could chime in with additional examples?

[CrossWinds81]

Torino is no longer available. :( I have a lovely rising yearling from him and would love to have bred back to him.

...one I totally forgot about...duh...silly me...I even work on the horse...Vancouver d'Auvray!!!...just maybe not the right type for the mare I am thinking of.

[toomanyponies]

Will they breed vancouver d'Auvray fresh? I thought he was just frozen?

I've watched him jump numerous times and he is super!

[Sakura Hill Farm]

Please give us the scoop on Torino. Our trainer trained him as well and thinks the world of him.

[risingstarfarm]

I heard that Vancouver was going back to Belgium for a little while. Maybe this is not correct?

[dbts]

Pablo (Pilot/Matrox) standing at Rainbow Equus has sired quite a few. I am sure Edgar can expand on this.

[dbts]

Are there any Heartbreaker or Calido sons currently available in the US?

Chaleon is by Calido (Crooked Willow Farms), but he is most noted for producing Hunters, I understand.

[Krallen]

Re: Orlando, he has not been available fresh....I've been enquiring about him for each of the last few years. I have a mare that I've really been wanting to use him on, and have been watching the success of his offspring in France.

[risingstarfarm]

Krallen - Orlando's son, Coronado WW is fabulous. I had a Coronado filly in 2007 and she was the highest scoring filly on the BWP tour -really outstanding (and out of a TB mare). She's growing up to be a lovely mare.

There is some super video of him on his owner's site - and, he's ridden by an amateur.

The rest of the pedigree isn't too shabby - he's out of a Kannan daughter, with Sandro on the bottom.

[Fred]

A Fine Romance has a number of offspring competing in the jumpers, one of whom is a winning Grand Prix jumper.
Lips, aka My Romance, now called Southbound, is also a bottle raised homebred FULL TB who was already an Advanced eventer before moving to the jumper ring.
A Fine Romance is based in Canada, however, not the US.
;)

[serenityfarm]

Not sure the scoop on Torino (Heartbreaker/Cassini). Was he sold? He was for sale.

There are a few Torino sons that are standing with fresh at reasonable stud fees. We own Equinox (www.serenityfarmsinc.com) and then there is Elio (in Florida) and Fidelio (in Michigan) as well.

[CrossWinds81]

yep, he was sold. Total bummer! I loved that stallion, and he was producing so well. I am just glad that I bred to him when I did.

[Waterwitch]

yep, he was sold. Total bummer! I loved that stallion, and he was producing so well. I am just glad that I bred to him when I did.

So will he never be available - gelded and no frozen - or was he purchased by someone who is not making him available to the public? Too bad either way. This is a horse I thought would make an interesting cross on Irish mares.

[serenityfarm]

Not sure what happend with Torino but at least he has 3 sons available out of different types of mares so there are 3 fresh semen Torino's still out there.

Equinox (Torino/Branco-Ramiro)
Fidelio (Torino out of Jete)
Elio (Torino out of Charite - paradox/cartoonist)

[risingstarfarm]

slight correction on Elio's pedigree: Torino x Saluut x Paradox x Cartoonist

[serenityfarm]

Thanks Ronda, my brain went to the bottom of his pedigree and skipped saluut. I have been on the road too much this week. < ' ' >

[notforyouorme]

This is sort of off-topic (but concerned suggestions on this thread), but is the Spam-Arrest verification thing safe to click on? I wanted to send some photos to a stallion owner, but I got a reply back saying I needed to verify that I'm a person (and not a spammer). Anyone else done this and not killed their computer? I googled it, but didn't come up with much! Thanks!

[sporthorsefilly]

Your should consider Ironman, (Insulfurst x Wienerwald x Gotthard) competed Grand Prix and did very well. His owner is terrific to work with too.

Another excellent Jumper Stallion is Cardinal 846 (Zeus x Inschallah) He competed Grand Prix on 3 continents!

Although he is a hunter stallion, consider Cunningham whose sire Cassini I is an exceptional jumper sire.

[tuckawayfarm]

Your should consider Ironman, (Insulfurst x Wienerwald x Gotthard) competed Grand Prix and did very well. His owner is terrific to work with too.

Ironman is a nice stallion with a stellar disposition and a wonderful owner, but he has no Grand Prix record and has no offspring competing at anywhere near that level. I have watched him compete many times and he was a fabulous Level 7 horse. :)

[can't re-]

How about a list of proven (multiple offspring, please) national and international jumper producers available via fresh semen? Any help here?

Noble Champion (http://www.noblechampion.com/offspring/)

[Amoroso]

Radjah Z

[Performance Sires]

Are there any Heartbreaker or Calido sons currently available in the US?

Torino www.jumpstartfarm.com

[Edgar]

Not sure if you just want a list or looking for a breeding but if looking you may find some at a discount at the AHS auction which closes tomorrow:

http://www.hanoverian.org/marketplace/index.php?a=5&b=206

Some of the international level offspring producers in it are :

Escudo II
Lagoheidor
Landfriese II
Landkoenig
Noble Champion
Pablo


others not in the auction:
As Di Viligano
Linaro

[M. O'Connor]

I think there is confusion as to whether the OP is asking for a stallion that has produced multiple GPx level offspring, or is himself a GPx level performer.

As di is the latter...has won quite a bit, and is currently in Ocala, showing Gpx. He has offspring in Europe (Asti's Amsterdam is one) that have reached the upper levels, and has some here that appear to be solidly on their way.

[Edgar]

No confusion here, actually he is the former and the latter. As Di has a better performing production record than some of the others listed here. Asti's Amsterdam is nice and just happens to be more known as his Hanoverian licensed son however as of last year he had at least 7 offspring at Grand Prix level with over 40 placings over $100,000 in offspring winnings and I am quite sure that is an old (low) number by now.

[sylvan farm]

As MO'C said, As di Villagana is a consistent GP competitor with GP offspring, including the licensed son and up and comer As di Volare here. They are both licensed AHS/HV.

[nsm]

Quote: "Ironman is a nice stallion with a stellar disposition and a wonderful owner, but he has no Grand Prix record and has no offspring competing at anywhere near that level. I have watched him compete many times and he was a fabulous Level 7 horse."

You must have seen him in the beginning of his career, as Ironman went on and was highly sucessful in High Modified, Open and Gran Prixs, enough he was written up for his consistency at level 8 and up in a European magazine, I think it was Horse International.The stallion performance requirements for ISR Oldenburg are level 8. He recieved his liscence from that. The videos on his website are footage from Gran Prixs, below are several pictures all from Gran Prixs, except the first one which is from the Open Welcome stake at the Minnesota Fall Harvest, [ the fence is 5' high and 7 feet wide] a pre-requisite for the Prix there, which is national level. He was bred to dressage mares primarily before I acquired him. I got him at 8 and I did not breed him much at first because I was more interested in his show career, so he because of that does not have offspring all that old in hunters/jumpers.

Nancy

[tuckawayfarm]

Being from the midwest and often having horses in the same classes, I got to watch Ironman throughout his jumping career. His rider always looked like he was having a blast :)

USEF has no record of Ironman at the Grand Prix level so you might want to look into that.

[nsm]

USEF did not keep track of much until recently, we have run alot of Gran Prix horses,as an example, if you have followed Midwest Gran Prixs, you would have seen Untouchable go many times, yet I looked up her USEF record and there was not much yet she placed in almost every Prix she was in. Just another example. The USEF record keeping until recently was ridiculous. Fortunately I keep good records and still have all his show receipts and result sheets I got from the show secretaries. As well as things he won, coolers ect. The last year he showed, he was in 38 classes of level 8 or up, assorted High Modified, Open and Gran Prixs, of which he placed in 33, of those 33 placings, half were first or second.
And yes, Ironman is a blast to ride!
Nancy

[tuckawayfarm]

By the time Untouchable started, we were no longer showing in the midwest. I had no problem finding her show record though. Congrats! :)

The USEF has certainly made it's share of mistakes, but they are very good about correcting things if you email.

Although it's not available publicly, you can also get a copy of Ironman's placings and money won right from the website. I had to get copies a few years ago and they were very accurate. The Mini Prixs, Modifieds, and Opens show up under "other money won" but they are listed.

Looking forward to watching Ironrule's progress. That was a great cross! :)

[JA]

I have an As di Villagana son and he is by far the nicest, best minded, talented and amateur friendly horse I have ever owned! Before I took over the reins he was successfully competing at the 1.35's. I would highly recommend an As di Villagana offspring!

[sporthorsefilly]

Tuckaway, seems that you must be new to the Equestrian community. This is all I found about your farm: http://www.stolaf.edu/courses/2003sem2/Environmental_Studies/399/Projects/Shewmake_Project/TuckAwayFarm.html

Congrats you spread your manure :)

I have been riding and showing since 1960, and I can assure you that many, many records of great jumpers can not be found on the USEF website. Of course back then USEF was AHSA. Interesting that the Untouchable that I know of was ridden by Kathy Kusner on the USET back in the 60's after being purchased from Hall of Fame trainer/rider Ben O'Meara...you do know who that is, right?

People who own exceptional Grand Prix horses do not need to contact USEF to varify their records, they were there, paid the entries and took home the ribbons. They do know what their horses accomplished.

There are many top stallions out there who haven't competed in a while. If you yourself owned an outstanding stallion you might just comprehend why those that are 16+ years of age and still getting nice mares are at home breeding.

This thread asked about jumper stallions, if you don't own one, nor have any stallions to recommend, perhaps it is you who needs to contact USEF for older records, on the jumper stallions of the midwest.

Good luck with your manure management.

[Performance Sires]

Several Olympians have bred their mares to Willemoes or recommended him to clients.

Acknowledged as One of Cantus' Best Sons:
• 1993 Imported Elite Holsteiner Stallion
• #1 Showjumping Sire in Denmark 2006, 2007, 2008
• Fraternal half-brother to Olympian Canturo, Olympic Sire Calido, and Olympic Gold Medalist Calvaro
• Winner CSI Derby and numerous Grand Prix wins with Danish team rider Tina Lund
• Son Willano schooling Grand Prix with Olympian Lars Pedersen
• Danish offspring Carisma, Wilson, Wilhelm; qualified World Young Horse Championships at Lanaken. Carisma won qualifier. Now competing GP.
• Numerous wins by offspring in Danish Young Horse Jumper
Finals
• Offspring winning in Grand Prix show jumping, young jumpers,
dressage, hunters and dressage-in-hand conformation classes
• Produces beautiful, modern, leggy foals with superior jump and movement.
# 1 BWp foal 2009.
Foals can be registered AHHA, Oldenburg, BWP, Danish, Zangersheide.
There is a register for a free breeding to Willemoes contest http://www.thesporthorse.com/stallion-listing.php?stallion_id=123&pg=0

[tuckawayfarm]

Sporthorsefilly,

I am very good at managing manure, but it's going to take all my skill to wade through your post. :lol:

You did not find a website for my farm because I don't have one. :)

I live near St. Olaf and allowed students on my property for a research project on the water quality of a small stream that runs through my farm. I hope you found their paper interesting. :)

Interesting that the Untouchable that I know of was ridden by Kathy Kusner on the USET back in the 60's after being purchased from Hall of Fame trainer/rider Ben O'Meara...you do know who that is, right?

Yes, I know who Kathy Kusner and Untouchable were. :lol: From my posts, it should not be a surprise that I love TB jumpers. What I don't get is what that has to do with the Untouchable from Nancy's farm who has had a lot of success in the ring with Attila Lemperger. :confused:

People who own exceptional Grand Prix horses do not need to contact USEF to varify their records, they were there, paid the entries and took home the ribbons. They do know what their horses accomplished

Yes they do and so does everyone else! Google any successful horse/rider combination and you find pages of results, doesn't matter if they are GP or SS.
Most of the A shows have published their results online for years, so you don't even have to rely on the USEF. Many stallion websites list GP results prominently on their page making them easy to verify. :)

I found results for Ironman from 1998-2003. He did very well :yes:

This thread asked about jumper stallions, if you don't own one, nor have any stallions to recommend, perhaps it is you who needs to contact USEF for older records, on the jumper stallions of the midwest.

The OP asked for proven Ntl or Intl producing stallions. Obviously I do research jumper stallions :cool:

You managed to track down an obscure research paper from a small college written 7 years ago, odd that you didn't just post Ironman's GP results and call it a day.