Kannan

[DScully]

Can anyone tell me what paperwork comes with a breeding to Kannan, i.e. Studbook paperwork for registering a foal?

For instance if you use a KWPN stallion, you get an official covering certificate from the Studbook for registering your foal.

[DownYonder]

Are you talking about breeding to him via fresh semen, or by frozen? If by frozen, I imagine it would depend on what agent you use and which registry you are interested in. I believe that Judy Yancey ships breeding certificates with the frozen doses, but you may have to provide the blanks to her beforehand. For that matter, I am not sure which registries he is approved for.

[Man Of War]

As far as I'm aware, he's registered KWPN but he isn't approved by them; I remember one of the syndicate members that owns/owned him made a lot of noise about getting him KWPN licensed but nothing happened. In fact, I'm not sure who he's licensed with, if anyone. One has to assume there must be good reason for this, but it's a shame really, as it makes one suspect that there is more than meets the eye.

But there again, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and there's no doubt he's a fine horse, and has some very attractive and talented offspring already out there competing and doing well, and promising offspring coming through.

[Equilibrium]

Well if he isn't licensed with the KWPN and you want a KWPN foal then use someone else. I would assume he is licensed somewhere as he has competing progeny on the ground and over here they have to be registered somewhere per EU regulations.

Now go back to the H&H forums and throw all your toys out of the pram over there. Honestly people just what is the agenda here?

Terri

[Equilibrium]

Oh and for what's its worth, I have registered 3 foals with the KWPN and have NEVER seen one of my covering certs.

Terri

[JY]

Oh, I see what's up. And, so, at the behest of one of my friends and fellow breeders I can answer the approval status of Kannan. He was registered KWPN, but at the time of his licensing he was presented to the BWP (Belgian Warmblood) and was approved for breeding there. He was subsequently licensed Selle Francais. The owner is currently seeking approval with KWPN and has been given indication that it should not be a problem, given the performance of this stallion and the quality of his offspring. For those same reasons, his offspring could also be registered with GOV, as they will accept stallions who are licensed elsewhere that have proven stallion performance requirements.
You can be sure, there is a good place to register offspring by Kannan.

[Molly Malone]

Now go back to the H&H forums and throw all your toys out of the pram over there. Honestly people just what is the agenda here?

Terri

Amen

[Equilibrium]

Thank you JY for the FACTS!

Terri

[Man Of War]

Thank you JY for the FACTS!

Terri

:confused: Oh dear, was it not factual of me to say that "he's a fine horse, and has some very attractive and talented offspring already out there competing and doing well, and promising offspring coming through". You clearly know far more than those of us in the UK who have read, seen, and been told a lot of good stuff about this horse - one I've been following for a number of years. I shall put on my orthopaedic shoes and stand corrected. Thank you for putting me straight.

I shall be delighted, however, if he does become KWPN licensed. :yes:

[Equilibrium]

This thread is more or less the same as the Kylemore Stud thread. Do you have any idea how hard it is to find good sporthorse studs in Ireland? Ones with hardworking actual horseman running the place? Well there are very few and Kylemore is one of them. So while you and your cohorts are running around with your anti Ken message, you dragged a decent stud farm into the fray without them knowing.

That irkes me. Seems you already know what you need to know, you were just trying to start another trainwreck. I'm no genius, but if I want to register my foal with the KWPN, I check the relevant horse I'm interested in and call or email the actual owner for info and follow up with the registry. What I don't do is start a thread with a hidden agenda.

Terri

[Man Of War]

Terri, I know exactly how hard it is to find decent sport horse studs in Ireland, and I also know how fantastic it would be to have more horses available from Ireland to people in the UK via AI. Would that we could all readily ship our mares to and fro, but sadly, it's not always possible, and there are several stallions on your turf I would consider you very lucky to be able to use :)

I have not done anything to denegrate either the stallion Kannan, nor any stud in this thread; I replied giving my opinion to this thread, stating I wasn't aware who the stallion was licensed by. As for the Kylemore thread, well, Kylemore were notified immediately that Ken Rehill chose to disclose on this forum that he considered himself associated with them. It is the experience of some of the contributors to this forum - new or otherwise - that the loudest crowing cock does not always have good reason to raise his voice.

[Equilibrium]

Then I stand corrected. I just would hate for Kylemore or Kannan to have anything bad said about them for personal agendas. OK, well Kannan himself probably wouldn't give a hoot, but you know what I mean.

Yes we are lucky there are a few good people running good stud farms with quality stallions. I'm guessing that's why I come to their defence so quickly! I got sick to death of visiting stud farms where stallions didn't get to see the light of day unless they were breeding and that involved a handler with a big stick in case said stallion "got out of line". And farms that were just deplorable in condition as were their animals. See unfortunately, I can't part with my hard earned cash if it means putting in hands such as those.

Terri

[Arathita]

This is a remarkably mysterious thread.

Is DScully an associate of COTH's fmulder?

[zelensky]

Then I stand corrected. I just would hate for Kylemore or Kannan to have anything bad said about them for personal agendas. OK, well Kannan himself probably wouldn't give a hoot, but you know what I mean.

Yes we are lucky there are a few good people running good stud farms with quality stallions. I'm guessing that's why I come to their defence so quickly! I got sick to death of visiting stud farms where stallions didn't get to see the light of day unless they were breeding and that involved a handler with a big stick in case said stallion "got out of line". And farms that were just deplorable in condition as were their animals. See unfortunately, I can't part with my hard earned cash if it means putting in hands such as those.

Terri

Terri, I've made several stallion viewing visits to Ireland over the past 18 months, and would second Man Of War's opinion that you have some real crackers over there : the problem with a number of them is that they are not available for AI. I've "cheated" by buying a Capitalist baby in utero, not forgetting the nice little TB mare who is carrying it - but its so frustrating that the regulations make it so difficult and expensive for stallion owners to ship semen over to the UK.

On my last visit in the autumn, with several other mare owners, we visited a number of very well equipped large studs standing international name stallions (Kedrah, Lissava, Kylemore being amongst the studs visited), and a couple of much smaller scale operations, where, nevertheless, the stallions were superbly well treated and sensitively handled, and were obviously happy and well-adjusted. HOWEVER, one particular outfit standing one of the "greats" of Irish breeding was exactly as you describe; it was one of the saddest sights I have seen in a long time, and I would never, ever wish to see stallions kept in those conditions again. A couple of us were close to tears, the experience was so deeply upsetting. So I completely agree that the only way that sort of approach to stallion handling will die out is if people adopt your attitude, and absolutely refuse to use any animal kept in those kinds of conditions, and they tell the owner why. (And probably SHI as well!)

[DownYonder]

Oh, I see what's up. And, so, at the behest of one of my friends and fellow breeders I can answer the approval status of Kannan. He was registered KWPN, but at the time of his licensing he was presented to the BWP (Belgian Warmblood) and was approved for breeding there. He was subsequently licensed Selle Francais. The owner is currently seeking approval with KWPN and has been given indication that it should not be a problem, given the performance of this stallion and the quality of his offspring. For those same reasons, his offspring could also be registered with GOV, as they will accept stallions who are licensed elsewhere that have proven stallion performance requirements.
You can be sure, there is a good place to register offspring by Kannan.

Thanks, Judy. I was pretty sure he was approved by several registries, but couldn't remember where.

As for the rest of the posts - I am befuddled. :confused:

[Kylemore Stud]

Please see our reply on the Kylemore Stud Thread. Thank you.

[FMulder]

I've just come come off the phone with Ivor at 8.45 am, and can confirm the following:

We had both fully intended for Kylemore to stock Kannan's semen. Ivor had chased me twice during January for a contract, but because of a lack of time due to the Expo, I was unable to write a full contract, and as a result he had thought that there was a problem. There wasn't, but Ivor wasn't to know that, and he couldn't risk putting Kannan in the Kylemore brochure for 2010 in case it didn't happen. In the meantime, they have added three more VDL stallions, and as Ivor rightly said, he can't now knock them off and add Kannan back in.

Ivor also confirmed that if any of his clients come to him and want to use Kannan, he will make all the arrangements for them. Between now and the 2011 season, we will ensure that Kylemore do have contracts from us, and so Irish clients will have now and in the future, access to Kannan semen.

Ivor is happy to back all that I have written here should there be any need for further clarification, or please feel free to contact him and Olive direct, where they will be happy to back up everything I've written.