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War Admiral

Dec. 12, 2003, 05:52 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> And for you skeptics, I think that anything that gets you thinking about your horse is a pretty good thing.
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totally agree here, and might add that using an a/c can help you start thinking about your horse in a new/different way. the first time i tried it, i was fascinated by the "horse-centric" view of the world that i received. it was a very humbling lesson in what is important to a horse, and what is not.

i have a great a/c who considers herself to be still learning, and one of the things we yak about online (we have never met f2f nor has she ever met my horse) is the imprecision of horse communication, which fascinates both of us. she says horses communicate for the most part using images, so an idea or concept that does not exist in reality can be tricky for either the horse or the human to express.

for example, avery came to her recently and what she said she was getting was really imprecise but it was along the lines of "lost, lost, lost". she could not figure out what he meant so was trying to narrow it down, as in, are you yourself lost? show me a picture of where you are. did you lose a thing, like a halter or a shoe? did you lose a buddy?

turned out eventally that what he really meant was that he *feels* lost right now b/c his life went through a lot of changes very quickly and now i, his person, have disappeared (which is true - i have a broken arm and cannot drive to the barn). but it took a lot of effort to get to that answer!! we are so lucky we have language and opposing thumbs!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

(then again, avery with opposing thumbs ewould be dangerous... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

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nightsong

Dec. 12, 2003, 06:05 AM

That's very true, War Admiral, about how horses communicate. When I was much newer at this, it was images only. For instance, one horse I contacted sent me this sequence: picture of him out grazing in the pasture. Picture of him suddenly throwing head up. Picture of him jumping around in joy. Meant: he was glad to hear from me!!! I've worked hard at this for about twelve years now, and now automatically translate into English.

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War Admiral

Dec. 12, 2003, 06:38 AM

i *wish* i had the skill set to be an a/c. i feel that i have on occasion (like maybe 4 times over a 10-year period - and of course i cannot prove even that!) successfully "sent" images to a critter, but i seem to have a mental block about being on the receiving end. have to rely on body language instead. sigh.

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deltawave

Dec. 12, 2003, 06:45 AM

"East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet."

With apologies to Rudyard Kipling, IME people fall into two camps on this, and only very rarely can be convinced to change their minds! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif How can you prove anything one way or another?

I am a nonbeliever, more so because I think there are WAY too many people ripping off other people in ALL walks of life than because I can't conceive of some sort of ability might exist. Too many examples of "cold reading" (do an internet search on this term--a real eye-opener) with so-called "mediums" going on for me to believe all these folks are truly gifted and altruistic.

Too many horse owners looking for ways to love their critters better, too...not saying this is a BAD thing at all, but fertile ground for the greedy and the swindlers.

Put me down in the "save your money, buy carrots" category! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I did try it once as an experiment, with an AC who is CONSTANTLY touted as one of the best on this very BB. I was totally underwhelmed...my husband could come up with as much after reading a few "Saddle Club" books! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif "Your horse loves to run" and "Sometimes she feels stiff in her back" and "She loves when you spend time grooming her"? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif BAH, humbug! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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War Admiral

Dec. 12, 2003, 07:01 AM

actually deltawave, i do not by any means disagree w/ you that there are charlatans out there. i've told this story on the bb before so forgive the repeat - but being among the curious i paid a highly-recommended a/c for a reading on my horse. i got back a beautifully-packaged morass of new age bullpucky. was this person in contact w/ my horse? nfw. she had it all so wrong. (the classic sentence that had everyone who knows the horse absolutely howling w/ laughter was when the a/c said how grateful horsie was that i rescued him at the feedlot auction. yeah right... this arrogant old tb never had a grateful day in his life and it doesn't take an a/c to know it! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif)

so i happened to post that story on another bb, and got a pt from my current a/c, who said she was sorry i'd had a bad experience and she had just taken a course and was looking for practice horses - long story short, she volunteered to do avery for free.

the difference was night and day - i just could not belieeeeeeve the stuff she got! so she turned a total skeptic into a total believer.

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deltawave

Dec. 12, 2003, 09:46 AM

War Admiral, I wish I could find someone to make me believe...don't we ALL wish we could somehow communicate with our critters? I'd certainly be more likely to accept the story of a convert (like yourself) than someone who went INTO the whole thing "convinced" it would work. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

"Some people have to see it to believe it...others have only to believe it to see it."

As someone else said, sometimes another person's perspective, be it mystical or otherwise, gives us insight into our problems (animal or otherwise) and the types of questions asked of AC's may give the more insightful ones (whether they be "real" or not) a clue to what the person asking is trying to understand. If that's worth the money one has paid, then it's money well spent, regardless if the "insight" is psychic or just psychological! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And hey, pass on the name of your AC...maybe I'll give it a try! As Paul's incident on the road to Damascus would tell us, there's no believer like someone who was once a NON-believer! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (Sorry, been studying 1st century biblical history lately--trying to keep the brain from atrophy!) http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

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dressager

Dec. 13, 2003, 12:33 AM

I really want to believe in this... next Sunday an AC is coming to my barn to do three horses... don't want to think yet after what I heard about the last session.

For example (I'm not sure what to make of this, and for $100 USD/45 minutes, I want to see her "in action" first)- a woman at my barn has a horse who was in an accident last fall, he banged up his knee pretty badly and by looking at the knee you can tell he has had something bad happen there. The AC tells her that he has been stiff since the accident (which, if she had talked to anyone about the horse, she could have found out about- it was very common knowledge) and that his knee bothers him (see above). Also, the horse wanted to tell her to breathe when she was riding... again, something someone who is experienced with people could tell.

The only other thing I heard was that this one horse- a horse I saw beaten- his regular rider of 3 + years left in August "called out" to her and said he was confused and thought he was going to die. That is about the only thing I can believe, makes me very sad.

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nightsong

Dec. 13, 2003, 07:08 AM

Dressager, there's more to the horse with the stiff leg. He's scared, really terrified that he'll be sent to slaughter just because he's not that good at riding any more. He's asking (begging, actually) the rider to ask him to relax by relaxing her body first. When he's more relaxed, his leg is less tense also, and then he can ride better. He wants more than anything else to do this. I tried to ask him to tell something else to increase our credibility here; he insists that this is the only IMPORTANT issue.

When I read the post he jumped into my mind; this happens seldom and only because the horse is so worried. He is also QUITE skilled in reaching out to humans; there is a HUGE difference in different horses' ability to do this.

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rosijet

Dec. 13, 2003, 07:27 AM

The barn I used to board at had an ac that moved in. I was TOTALLY skeptical but thought it would be cheap entertainment. Not only did she say things that she could have never found out (very private personal stuff) but my horse's reaction to her was bizarre. The entire time she sat there, this normally "very aloof w/people other than mom" TB was gently blowing in her hair and making deep throated groans. I just stood w/my jaw dropped. He won't even make eye contact with most people.

Once she stopped writing in her notepad, he just turned and walked away. She started explaining everything he "said" and at some points, I started to cry, and I am not an overly emotional person, LOL! Then she walked over to him, pointed to a rib and told me to get it checked out plus his hind end needed work. I palpated the rib with no reaction. Got the chiro out and without mentioning anything about this, he adjusted my horse back into place with a really loud pop. I asked him what was out and he pointed to the point on his spine just above the rib that she indicated. I asked him if that would've affected his rib and he said absolutely. I am a believer now that it's possible with the real deal. I'm sure there are lots of fakes around too.

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MdLib

Dec. 13, 2003, 04:53 PM

Interesting. So, here's an honest question: Can communicators also communicate with people? Or is it a species-specific skill?

dressager

Dec. 13, 2003, 05:25 PM

norah- thank you so much. I'll pass this on to my friend... she got that he was stiff and wanted her to relax, but this takes it to another level. Are you an AC?

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You don't throw a whole life away just because its a little banged up - Tom Smith

Grasshopper

Dec. 13, 2003, 05:32 PM

Hmmm. This is interesting. I'm skeptical, but a friend of mine sold her horse years ago, and the new owners did an ac session over the phone after a few months. The ac brought up some things that really made sense to those of us who'd known the mare for a few years, so that lessened my disbelief.

Now I'm really curious. My mare needs some chiro work over the next month or two, the chiro says it seems that she reared up and sat down, or something along those lines. No clue when it could've happened, I'm hoping that she wasn't being put in pain by riding for too long before we figured out what was going on!

Would love to hear more experiences.

nightsong

Dec. 13, 2003, 05:48 PM

Grasshopper -- (and yes, I am an AC -- had the course about 15 years and have been testing/working at it since) your horse will only tell me where the problem is. He has NO INTEREST WHATEVER in reliving the agony/terror of what happened for long enough to tell me about it. I've noticed this in horses, and to some extent in other animals, whom I have MUCH LESS experience with, they are only interested in the here and now. Will often even refuse to discuss the past; they only care about the present. Interesting. Your horse DOES want me to reassure that it is NOT RIDING for too long that caused her pain. These horses are SO NICE -- they don't want us to worry or to leave them alone. They are adamant on these two things. First thing is because they do not want to cause us pain, and worry is mental pain; the second is because they get SO LONELY. It is REALLY umnatural for a horse to live in a stall or pasture, they're used to roaming the plains and experiencing all that nature throws at them. They LOVE the challenge. Modern life is SO BORING!!!

Back to your horse. He wants me to know and to tell you that the pain is on the top of his back in the back part of the loin area. Now, he has had no contact with the chiropractor, it is entirely possible that the site/problem(s) have already been diagnosed; the horse has no way of knowing that. He just wants to make ABSOLUTELY SURE that you know aAS MUCH AS POSSIBLE (that he can tell y u, anyway) about his PAIN. And he tells you that it definitely needs attention, and, he's apologetic here, try to not ride much if at all until it's fixed.

End of her horse's communication. He actually signed off, like on a walkie-talkie. Interesting how they do that. Interesting altogether!!!

And to Moonkitty -- I get two "channels" of communication; not sure how many are out there. One channel is animals; the other channel is angels, and I learned it at an animal communication seminar. Maybe people have a channel or other means of communication -- I don't know. I certainly do not do it.

Any more questions? I'll tell what I can; and remember, I am just ONE AC, have had no contact with any others since I did the course close to 15 years ago, and have NO IDEA how (and whether!!!) they work.

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dressager

Dec. 13, 2003, 05:53 PM

What about my riding horse here in HK?
(I don't know what else to say- I'm speechless)

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nightsong

Dec. 13, 2003, 06:00 PM

Hi, Dressager. I get your horse, it's coming in LOUD and clear, but there is reluctance on my part to do anything but answer specific questions. I do get a picture of a bright little face saying to me, "do it" "just do it!!!" and the image is flapping its mouth like talking!!! He wants you to know he hurts, all riding horses do and that he could talk to me for three hours before he gets tired!!!

Smarat horse, and REALLY accomplished at talking. He loves you, he loves your "family" (people that are with you) and wants to talk to you all the time!!! He (and I use "he" like "mankind," not caring (and the horses don't, either) what kind of genitals it has) LOVES YOU!!!

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nightsong

Dec. 13, 2003, 06:04 PM

Dressager, just a clarification. (this public computer wil not let me edit, so I have to post again) When I said your horse hurts, that was just its (horse says "he" is WRONG) response to my question. Animal says that it's no deal whatsoever because ALL ridden horses hurt, and they don't really mind it, because it's so entertaining. And animal (doesn't like being called "horse" either!!) is looking VERY FORWARD to more communications!!!

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OnyxThePony

Dec. 13, 2003, 06:07 PM

noralee (or anyone else), I want a ask a different Q.
Do you think a horse who is closed with most people will open up to one person, or a specific 'type' of person? Or does a person have to be the open party?
Say, my mare Onyx. I can 'read' my TBs, most TBs, very very well. Now, these little colder blooded critters, huh, no way. It's like a barrier. Would that just be a person unused to a different 'type' of horse?. Like a trainer skilled in training a breedtype??

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nightsong

Dec. 13, 2003, 06:14 PM

OtP -- I'll take ALL th ese questions in order, and see if I run out of steam before we get to the end. This IS draining on me mentallyl, BTW. Horses relate to people who: do not scare them, seem to understand them, and do not run away (mentally, is what she means). In other words, a horse will reach out indiscriminately to everybody, but only certain people "read" the horse and react in a way that encourages the horse to encourage the person PHYSICALLY. Note that, up to this point, we've been talking non-physical communication.

Next: Horses will relate to whatever, humans, goats, foals, etc., that seems to be friends with them. They are SO BORED: they WANT to be able to be friends. But if no one (humans, cats, goats, etc.) seems to relate to them, it will be continued loneliness.

And sure, the person who characterizes all horses as temperamental, reactive, highly-strung, will not understand AT ALL another type of mentality, whether it has the same species' body or not.

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dressager

Dec. 13, 2003, 06:35 PM

norah- What do you charge per ? minute session? Can you do more than one type of animal in that time?

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OnyxThePony

Dec. 13, 2003, 06:58 PM

hmmm, I' not sure I 'communicated' that well http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

At least the notion forming in my mind, is there's no doubt miss Onyx thinks the world revolves around HER, and anyone who doesn't so believith can just pack up and go home. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

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Grasshopper

Dec. 13, 2003, 07:03 PM

Hmmm. That was quite interesting, norahlee, thank you. Indeed, she won't be ridden until the problem is fixed, the chiro has been out twice so far, the adjustments seem a little uncomfortable, and you were right about the area!
And yes, one of her biggest problems is boredom. She likes to work and learns very quickly, and I can tell the difference when she's laid up.

Thanks again!

nightsong

Dec. 13, 2003, 07:56 PM

Okay, in order.

Dressager -- I got a whole lot more from your *animal that does not want to be called he or horse* but the most clear that came through over and over was that your ATDNWTBCHOH would absolutely LOVE if you would (animal would not LET my type "could"!!!) learn this stuff. If you want to know how the "animal, etc.* could even begin to know what I was typing, I am probably unusual in that I trust beings (I got static trying to type "animals") enough to open my mind while we're in communication, so that they, in essence, know what I know. Helps IMMENSELY in describing concepts like three days from now (animals do not count, but have some kind of concept of time). They DO know what time (feeding!!!!!!!) it is, however!!! I probably trust them enough to open my mind like this because I'm old (51) and more experienced in life. And to your fee question -- I charged when I was doing this for a living, one fee ($35) for a visit, when I would stay as long as there was something for me to do. And I ALWAYS did the vets for free. Now, I have no "practice," but feel the need to get back. I still like that figure, and can keep at it (multiple *animals*, etc.) indefinitely. I'd like to charge $35 for as many e-mail sessions as it takes to get the problem solved. I WANT to do e-mail, because when I do it in person or by telephone, the person ALWAYS interrupts me, and I generally lose the connection. I have NEVER BEEN ABLE TO REGAIN THE CONNECTION. Therefore, interruption kills it. Stops me cold. Is that it for you, Dressager?

OtP -- reading TBs as well as you do is working against you here. Your Onyx is different mentally. Kind of like me being faced by a herd of llamas. I was frightened, because they were big and I had NO IDEA what llamas did. Your pony is FRUSTRATED. She is telling you "me!!ME!!! I'm THIS way!!!" Did I understand your question(s) this time?

And Grasshopper, your *animal* wants you to know that pain is generally not even worth mentioning, and she wouldn't (embarrassed hanging of head here) complain unless it was bad and she expected the pain she's "complaining" about would compromise riding. That would be the end of the world for her, because you don't do a whole lot, in her opinion, besides ride.

Note from Norah here -- Linda Tellington-Jones' TTEAM exercises (has eight ways to lead a horse, plus going over, around, through, and backing through, etc. poles, and BUNCHES of other stuff) are GOOD ways to interact in a non-riding or grooming way. VERY strongly recommended, along with other stuff of hers. This woman KNOWS. See at animalambassadors dot com.

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[This message was edited by norahlee on Dec. 14, 2003 at 12:27 AM.]

Grasshopper

Dec. 13, 2003, 08:22 PM

Wow. norah, I'm curious, can you tell if she is referring to the girl who is leasing her right now, or to me? I don't have any clue how that would work, but I haven't seen her in a couple of months, so I'm not a current presence in her life. I'm taking her back once I find a place for her.
I just realized that when you are addressing some things to me, it might not be me... oh dear. This is getting confusing, sorry!

nightsong

Dec. 13, 2003, 08:34 PM

Grasshopper, that's my fault. I didn't suspect that there were more people involved, and didn't talk to the animal about it. The animal wants you to know that there are more than one person in her life, indeed, but they are the same in that the person who is riding matters, no one else does, and that there is a continuance of care. She knows that you're the person who asked, so the answers were for just you. She's a little indignant that you would think that she's smart enough to get answers to somebody else when they're not even involved in this conversation!!! This is, indeed, a three-way conversation, like you can get on some telephones. The woman I'm doing the "answering" (that's what the animals call it, because that's what it is) for asks about an animal. I call them up. The animal listens through me and politely answers. That's it!!! And anything I don't ask does not get addressed. And when I said that "you" don't do a whole lot besides ride, I was assuming on my own (the animal insists that they didn't tell me!!!) that you were the one doing the riding. That's all. A mistaken rider identity. But the mare wants you to know that the same thing goes for ANY OTHER RIDER -- that they don't do any other things besides riding THAT MATTER MUCH.

Edited: Grasshopper, you mare is incensed that I lied. I told you that YOU were the rider. The mare insists, and she's absolutely correct, that she said no such thing. She was just talking about riding IN GENERAL. NO MATTER WHO DOES IT!!!(emphasis hers).

I've got to be absolutely correct in my interpretation, just tell you EXACTLY what they tell me, with no INTERPRETATION on my part, or we get exactly this sort of thing.

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PeriwinkleBlue

Dec. 13, 2003, 08:39 PM

I just have one question - is it okay if I ask, norah?

Does my filly, Aria, remember me? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

nightsong

Dec. 13, 2003, 08:42 PM

Remembers always and forever. Animals love.

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PeriwinkleBlue

Dec. 13, 2003, 08:44 PM

Norah, she only knew me for two weeks before I had to leave. Even with that short time, she still remembers me?

Can you ask her how she feels about my father? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

nightsong

Dec. 13, 2003, 08:48 PM

You knew her for two weeks, and you remember her. And yes, she remembers your father, too. He was a kindly, grandfatherly presence to her (not necessarily to other people, specifically humans, but to her). Remember, horses have such LIMITED lives that we take on exaggerated importance to them. Yes, they'll remember. There is so little else going on in their lives that we are SO MUCH to them. What competition do we have? A blade of grass? A pitchfork? Not much goes on in their lives without us. And don't forget what LOOOOOOONG memories horses have. If they remember the spot onthe trail where a rabbit jumped out many months ago, they'll certainly remember us. Remember, love is the single most important thing in their lives, and we supply it.

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PeriwinkleBlue

Dec. 13, 2003, 09:04 PM

Norah, can you communicate with horses that have passed on? Or just living ones?

nightsong

Dec. 13, 2003, 09:09 PM

Well, they're basically the same thing. Horses, like people, have a soul that has one body at a time. That's why you think that your new horse is UNCANNILY like your last one. I communicate with the soul, no matter what body it's in at the time, or if it's "between bodies", something they try VERY HARD to avoid, but sometimes we're quite stubborn and JUST WON'T BUY A HORSE. I'm being that stubborn now. I'm bad, too.

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PeriwinkleBlue

Dec. 13, 2003, 09:25 PM

Thanks, Norah. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

OnyxThePony

Dec. 13, 2003, 10:10 PM

norahlee, yes, now you see what I was asking. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I just can't get into the heads of those less-hot horses. They get pretty titched at me. Frustrated would be a good word if it were to continue. Mostly the mares, as the geldings are kinder and more prone to humour me http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif
I always wanted to ask this, too: Not all animals pick their own names. Why do you suppose this is? And, do you think animals really get annoyed at being called something other than what they want/what they figure their name is?
BTW, I know what you mean about llamas. It took me a while to get into (mini)donkies, but they are cool little critters.

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Black & Tan

Dec. 13, 2003, 10:46 PM

NorahLee - can you tell me about Harry - specifically, is he ready to start work? Is it ok if I put him out with a mare?

Wicky

Dec. 14, 2003, 02:54 AM

Norahlee -

I am in the middle of a very frustrating (and expensive) attempt to find out what is bothering my horse - we've injected his back, stifles, and hocks, and changed his diet - but he still is reluctant to go forward at the beginning of a ride, and he has begun to spook and buck, as if something stabbed him, and yesterday I was launched into the wall (need new helmet now http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif)

Really - he is a wonderful horse, and we need help desperately!

I had one AC and she didn't get anything that was helpful.

deltawave

Dec. 14, 2003, 04:39 AM

If ALL ridden horses have pain, kind of makes it easy to say a horse has "told" you it has pain, doesn't it?

IME with an AC, all she talked about was how my horse had some stiffness in her back, got nervous sometimes, loved me and enjoyed being groomed and wished I could "communicate" with her. When I pressed for specifics it was "sorry, she's not giving me that answer". http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

No offense to anyone who really does this, but how is one to believe this when you could say this kind of thing about just about ANY horse and have a receptive owner say "OH! Yes! Of course!".

Still a nonbeliever...wish it were otherwise. Would LOVE to have solved or even figured OUT my former eventer's sudden-onset mental block about XC. She's the one I tried with, and I was told she "LOVES cross country" http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

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War Admiral

Dec. 14, 2003, 05:21 AM

onyx, just so you don't feel you're the only one out there - i have this same problem too. i can't get inside the heads of the stolid type breeds the way i can a tb. it's going to be even harder for me, i think, w/ my next horse... avery is soooo dramatically expressive even for a tb that it's easy to work out what he is thinking from body language, facial expressions (they may not have as many muscles to use for facial expressions, but avery sure knows how to use the ones he's got!) and vocalization. i had a very stolid and expressionless qh in for training for a year and could not relate to him at all. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif avery invariably finds a way to make things abundantly clear! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

interesting to me, what norahlee has to say about horses not wanting to discuss the past. my a/c was *very* new at the game when she tried to read avery and i think we both kind of assumed it was "just him". unfortunately his past was what we were really trying to get at, at the time - we knew what his pain issues were - but i bid the horse in at a feedlot auction and had exhausted all normal channels trying to get a firm i.d. on him so i thought i would try an a/c to see if we could at least get in the ballpark. we got some stuff eventually, but he really did not want to discuss it and was more interested in the present and the future, just as norahlee says.

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Lookout

Dec. 14, 2003, 08:07 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by deltawave:
If ALL ridden horses have pain, kind of makes it easy to say a horse has "told" you it has pain, doesn't it?

IME with an AC, all she talked about was how my horse had some stiffness in her back, got nervous sometimes, loved me and enjoyed being groomed and wished I could "communicate" with her. When I pressed for specifics it was "sorry, she's not giving me that answer". http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

No offense to anyone who really does this, but how is one to believe this when you could say this kind of thing about just about ANY horse and have a receptive owner say "OH! Yes! Of course!".

Still a nonbeliever...wish it were otherwise. Would LOVE to have solved or even figured OUT my former eventer's sudden-onset mental block about XC. She's the one I tried with, and I was told she "LOVES cross country" http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif
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Geessh DW your horse is BEGGING you to open up. So you didn't believe it going in, and you were proven right, weren't you!

Lookout

Dec. 14, 2003, 08:14 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by triosmom:
Sorry, I am a non-believer. My best friend got me a session as a 'horse warming' gift when I bought Trio. She said he wanted to be a race horse. Yep, a coming 3 year old, Clyde cross...poetry in motion! Look out Seabiscuit!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The AC can only tell you what the horse is saying. Don't you know any people like that, that what something that's totally inappropriate or impossible? Why couldn't this be possible for a horse too?

deltawave

Dec. 14, 2003, 09:25 AM

Lookout, you can really hear her begging? Wow. Even the AC I tried didn't get THAT. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but the only thing I can see my horse begging for is CARROTS! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'm not really losing sleep over the possibility that my horse is trying in vain to talk to me; my experiments with AC's were so I could say I'd tried it and in a sense of fun.

Sorry, but the burden of proof is still on the AC in my book...not the horse, not the owner. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif A sincere desire on our part to understand our horses is great--getting soft in the head with anthropomorphic psychobabble is another thing altogether...

Not saying it isn't POSSIBLE, just saying I've been less than blown away by what I've seen, and the excuses for why successful AC's don't knock people's socks off are just too convenient: "he doesn't want to talk about that" or "I'm not seeing that, just his complaint about his back hurting" or "horses don't dwell on the past (but they have eternal memories)" or "well, you can interpret that many ways". Somebody ask Gwen what color blanket she's wearing today and what her favorite snack is! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

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Lookout

Dec. 14, 2003, 09:48 AM

No, I didn't say she was begging to talk to you. I said she was begging you to open up. Listen.

nightsong

Dec. 14, 2003, 10:54 AM

Some people asked me questions; I'll see how far I get on the replies.

OtP (and, to an extent, War Admiral): you're both apparently QUITE experienced in the TB/hotter-blooded horses. This works against you, both the breed and the vast experience. What OtP (the real pony, that is) is yelling to me is that you don't really pay attention to HER, but you just assume a horse/pony/equine is going to act a certain way, and don't pay as much attention to the actual behavior. This is not terribly effective with an animal with an entirely different mentality and way of doing things and of thinking about things. The solution, as I see it, is to actually pay attention to the animal's behavior; treat it as a different species. It kind of is, mentally.

Black and Tan: Yes, Harry is MENTALLY ready to start work, iand is eager to, that's what you're picking up from him. He does have physical issues, and it's FAR better to wait for them than to humor (and ENTERTAIN!!!!!) a bored horse. Putting him out with a mare will enourage him to be a lot more active than is good for him.

Wicky -- it's his hocks. I do not know how to get from the horse what is wrong, but it's stabbing pain when he rocks back on them. Does that help?

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deltawave

Dec. 14, 2003, 11:00 AM

ohmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

Sorry, all I hear is MUNCH MUNCH MUNCH. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

No offense, really, and please don't take it personally--this is just TOO "new age" for me. Open up...what, my wallet? (yes, I'm being facetious, I understand what you meant in your original post but still don't buy it) How do you figure Xenophon, Alexander, Bert De Nemethy or all the wonderful horsemen through the ages EVER managed? I don't see too many BNT's thanking their AC's for helping them get that gold medal. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

As I said in my initial post...East is East, and West is West...I don't suppose I'll convince any "believers" that they might be wrong, either. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Dec. 14, 2003, 11:01 AM

To everybody: what I keep getting (in PTs, especially) is "how can I do this MYSELF?!!!!!" You folks don't really want me to tell what's going on with the animal. It's like the Peace Corps; don't give the man a fish, teach him to fish. Wellll, I've gotten the message. I'll be putting together a person-to-animal communication manual. It'll be done in about two weeks. I'm currently half-absorbed with getting another job and a place to live, but that doesn't occupy my entire self. I'll GIVE THEM AWAY to anyone who sends me (or has sent me already) a request.

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nightsong

Dec. 14, 2003, 11:14 AM

And, in my personal opinion, the only way to really use an AC is to have them come out, tell you and SHOW you where the animals hurt, and then give you a riding lesson.

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WHS

Dec. 14, 2003, 11:59 AM

Norahlee...Question about the soul thing.So if I am looking forward to being with my first horse when I die but his soul is being"recycled" will we ever meet again? Does the recycling of the soul ever stop? What if I have another horse that turns out to be just as special as the first one? Which one do I find at the end of the bridge? I always was told your animal's souls just hung out with you during your life. Things to ponder....and get confused about!

nightsong

Dec. 14, 2003, 12:09 PM

WHS -- good question. The horse that keeps coming back to you will be the same soul but diferent bodies -- they do get old and die -- and it is your assigned partner for this lifetime. We have soul relationships just as we have physical body relationships. Don't worry; your horse's soul is not being "recycled" as I understand you to use the term, but the horse that is meant to live with you in this lifetime has got to get new bodies periodically because either you sell him (that's okay) or they get old and too feeble to be much of a partner any more. That's all. And they WORK to be with you, it'sn ot all on your side. They TRY HARD to come to you -- don't you feel the urge to go and try a certain horse although it's far away, not the right color or whatever, or whatever kind of reason there is to not do it? Your horses are picked by God to be with you, and there's a whole universe out there working to make things right. You're not being deprived of a previous horse soul; you're getting him/her/it again!!!

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Wicky

Dec. 14, 2003, 12:39 PM

OK, Noralee - I will ask for a copy of your manual. But - we did inject his hocks 10 days ago - he dumped me again yesterday. He does the spook thing from a walk - he isn't rocking back. The bone scan didn't pick up the hocks - the X-ray show only minimal changes in one hock, and his flexions are only borderline positive. We injected mostly because we were running out of other ideas, after injecting the stifles (he's a little straight and they were a little sore), and his back (bone scan picked up in the back). Sigh.

nightsong

Dec. 14, 2003, 12:54 PM

Wicky -- look for bone chips in the hocks.

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Drive NJ

Dec. 14, 2003, 01:02 PM

Norahlee
We've been wondering what was going on with Mel at his second to last boarding barn. I know you said they didn't like to talk about the past, but any clue from him?

nightsong

Dec. 14, 2003, 01:17 PM

He said they were mean to him; beyond that neither of knows what you're asking about. It was a whole life there for him, not just one thing happening. Could you be more specific? And they don't NEVER want to talk about the past. In the case several postings ago about the horse who may have sat down and hurt part of its back, the horse was reluctant to relive the terror/agony of the horse causing his accident, and I did not press him. They are generally willing to answer questions about the past, but do not generally think of the past very much on their own. I think I have much better luck than most ACs on this past-questions thing because, as a former counselor, I can steer away from the painful part and into the useful (to the owner, that is) part.

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Lookout

Dec. 14, 2003, 02:04 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by deltawave:
How do you figure Xenophon, Alexander, Bert De Nemethy or all the wonderful horsemen through the ages EVER managed?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
By listening. Ever read Dominique Barbier's books?<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>
I don't see too many BNT's thanking their AC's for helping them get that gold medal. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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Maybe they did it without an AC on their own. Maybe there is more to a human/animal relationship than a gold medal.

WHS

Dec. 14, 2003, 03:25 PM

Norahlee, do horses ever convey feelings of jelousy to you? Like gee,I wish trigger would go away because I don't like my human spending time with him?

nightsong

Dec. 14, 2003, 03:34 PM

Actually, no. No jealousy, even though owners have expected it, given the situation. I think it is because they're so aware of another horse's needs that they're much more interested in having its needs met than in having it all to themselves. It's also because horses are CONFIDENT of their person's love. They seem to be able to read our emotions MUCH better than we read theirs, therefore, they are not at all worried that we don't love them any more. Maybe it's because they don't have much in their lives to distract them from us; we're such a big part of their lives that they get it right. Whatever. Also, I almost never get negative emotions of ANY KIND. Really. They are SO NICE. Kind, concerned, supportive. This is what I get 99.9% of the time.

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Kandace

Dec. 14, 2003, 04:07 PM

I don't understand Swahili, either, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist as a language!

I do believe in animal communication. I also believe that there are many, many people out there collecting a paycheck for guessing at it.

The general things are easy to say (He likes carrots. He likes having his withers scratched. He'd rather do trail rides than circles). But in the case of my gelding, now gone, she was able to pinpoint very specific problems. Where the pain originated. What it felt like. How he reacted. And 95% of what she said was later confirmed by advanced testing (EMG, EEG, etc.) ... much more expensively than her work, I may well add. She brought up very specific things about our other horses, too -- paraphrased quotes, "He hurt his knee in the pasture a few years ago and it never healed quite right, his right knee is bigger than the other one and he says that's the last time anyone paid much attention to him. He doesn't WANT to be retired and feels like the only time anyone notices him is when he's hurt. He wants to work." Or, for the old mare, "She is glad she's not working anymore and never wants to see the inside of a show ring again. It was terribly frustrating for her and she feels like she's done enough. She'd be happy having more foals, she's already had seven and she'd rather do that. But she does NOT want to show or compete again, ever."

So although once I was a huge skeptic, I now consider a/c to be another language, just like French, Arabic or Swahili. I may not understand any of them, but it would be narrow-minded and stupid of me to say they don't exist. OTOH, I think a lot of people claim they are "fluent" when they're actually just picking up an occasional noun and filling in the rest of the sentences. :-)

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littleum

Dec. 14, 2003, 04:44 PM

Norah-

I've been following this with great interest....if possible, could you see if my little filly has something she'd like to say? Sometimes I feel like she wants me to understand something and just isn't having any luck telling me.

She seems sound and happy, but at times, gets anxious (and engages in a certain stress behavior) for no apparent reason. This is slowly disappearing but I'm still concerned. If "Baubles" has anything she'd like to say to me, I'd be grateful to hear it!

reddungirl

Dec. 14, 2003, 05:19 PM

Hmm... Norahlee, check your PT's. Thanks!

nightsong

Dec. 14, 2003, 05:38 PM

Baubles has a LOT to tell you. But she has been told (by me) that we're LIMITED by what we can post here, she's showing me SUCH an anxious little face. So, please tell us what you want to know most, and we'll get that done. She's sending me pictures of her bucking and switching her tail in joy!!!

lovemyhorse

Dec. 14, 2003, 05:46 PM

norahlee, please check you pt's. Thank you.

littleum

Dec. 14, 2003, 06:12 PM

She is a worrier- I already know that, poor thing. She gets so concerned, although I'm not sure what she gets *so* worried over.

Does she know that I care for her? She's aloof, and I sense she likes attention, but I don't know if she cares if she gets it or not. If she's an emotional camel of a horse or if she secretly craves attention in her own queenly way.

Does she understand what I ask when I tell her to "stand"? Does she hate this, bored with it, confused by it, or is "Huh? What?"

Is there anything she really likes? Anything she really can't stand?

I keep feeling she's trying to convey something at times (her little face is so expressive)and I just can't quite understand.

[This message was edited by littleum on Dec. 14, 2003 at 11:01 PM.]

Karosel

Dec. 14, 2003, 06:56 PM

Noralee- Can you please help?

I have been having a lot of problems with one of my horses: She is a 15.1, 12 year old appy mare named Lucy. I dont know much about her past just that she had several owners. Her problem is that she bucks quite often about once every ride. I have had a trainer work with her and checked the fit of her tack, as well as had a physical exmination done by a vet, which came out fine. Is she trying to tell me something? or is there something I should know from her past that could help? Any help would be appreciated.

~Humble pie doesn't taste too good...

nightsong

Dec. 14, 2003, 07:05 PM

Okay, in order.

Your strung-out littlemare (and I don't mean on drugs, but that's she's PRETTY anxious) is afraid you won't like her, so she's being aloof to avoid rejection. Cats do that a lot; when you THINK they're avoiding you, it's because they think you MIGHT hurt them for approaching you. It's the same for you, littleum; she's been punished for, in her mind, who-knows-what, and is TERRIFIED that it might happen again. so, it seems MUCH safer to kind of avoid you. I think we have to have a conversation about the behavior problem that you have partially corrected. In my opinion, you were punishing a reaction, not an avoidance, and the mare did not get "bad Baubles", she got "I HATE YOU AND I WILL HURT YOU WHENEVER IT STRIKES ME". Let's work on that.

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nightsong

Dec. 14, 2003, 07:07 PM

Karosel, your mare has a point on her back (on the right side, about six inches behind the wither, two inches beside the spine) that hurts. This is caused by abuse. I asked about saddle fit, she doesn't know because this KNOB hurts her so much. And she'd LIKE to talk about past abuse, in the hope it will help NOW.

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Karosel

Dec. 14, 2003, 07:23 PM

I know most are going to think that this is immature but, I just I had to see for myself....

Norahlee, Im not trying to discredit you or ac's in general, but I have very strong doubts about ac's in person (or in horse) and especially ac communications through.... what? the air????

The mare I'm speaking of doesnt exist!

I was hoping that you would say that you couldnt communicate with her for some reason or another (especially that she doesnt exist)...
but I just cant stand it when people pay money for stuff that doesnt work (in my opinion anyway), and I'm not saying that you charge people for your work. I'm sorry if I offended you.

I know that I'll get some nasty replies, but come on!! sooner or later someone was going to do a post like this! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

~Humble pie doesn't taste too good...

nightsong

Dec. 14, 2003, 07:28 PM

karosel, there IS a horse attempting to talk to you on this subject. Notice I said "your horse" Check it out.

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Beau Peep

Dec. 14, 2003, 07:50 PM

Okay, just another sort of question here....

Do the good ACs talk back? Or can they just tell what they are thinking?

If they can tell a horse freaks at show for whatever reason, thats great. But if they can tell the horse back that there is NOTHING behind the winged standards or the jumps.... Why thats even better! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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nightsong

Dec. 14, 2003, 08:07 PM

I cannot answer your question, but I CAN tell you a story. One of my first clients was a woman worried about their kitten, which would no longer let anyone touch it. The kitten USED to be cuddly, now would only wind around your ankles and sit on the floor near you, but would allow no touching. I communicated with the kitten, who had, when faced with the small girl in the household touching and HURTING the kitten, decided that people could not control their hands. Therefore, the kitten was staying away from hands. I communicated with the kitten, saying things like the mom was strong and smart, and convinced her the mom ONLY could control her hands. This solved the problemS of: small child hurting kitten, and mom having no one to pet. End of Story

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Beau Peep

Dec. 14, 2003, 08:11 PM

Cool, and BTW, that was and honest question, lol.

norahlee > check your PTs!

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Miniature Donkey

Dec. 14, 2003, 08:34 PM

Well I have been reading for 5 pages worth now. And I must admit that I find Animal Communication quite facinating. I do believe that there are people out there who are capable of doing this and I believe there are people who fake it for financial gain.
I for one would love to have a copy of your instructional booklet norahlee if you would be so kind. My boy fasinates me and I would love to be able to comunicate better with him as there are often things that I wonder why he does them and just sence that he is trying to tell me things that I don't understand. (If you get bored and he expresses anything to you please I would love to hear it either on here or pt or email cj_made_in_canada@hotmail.com) Thanks. MD

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nightsong

Dec. 14, 2003, 08:49 PM

M.D. -- I get a "hee haw yay!!" and a picture of him. Very few animals give me pictures; I get words all the time, knowledge usually, impulses most of all.

blackstallion

Dec. 15, 2003, 01:45 AM

I wanted to make one comment about horse psychics. A lot of you think that there are "gifted people" out there, who are the only ones who can communicate with animals on this level. EVERYONE has the ability to do this. If you have the opportunity to learn more about it, through a clinic, a book, or studying with someone, you should take the opportunity if you have any interest at all.

The hardest part is being open and receptive to any answer that you might get. A lot of people, a few on this board, don't want to hear the truth, they only want to hear what they WANT the answer to be.

Kim

CHJoker

Dec. 15, 2003, 03:07 AM

I too, can communicate with horses. It is a gift that I brought with me from my past life, when I was a horse. I can hear my horsey brothers and sisters with an incredible clarity.

They are telling me that you who believe in this complete bull**** of horse psychics need to have your head examined.

Don't flame me....I am only repeating what I was told. The horses made me do it!!

Wicky

Dec. 15, 2003, 03:32 AM

Norahlee -
There are NO bone chips in the hocks. I have seen the X-rays myself. And, if there had been a recent fracture/chip, it would have been picked up on the bone scan...

What now? What does he want me to do?

Black & Tan

Dec. 15, 2003, 04:06 AM

NorahLee -

That was very good. Harry is a very smart horse (and I have seen seem really dumb ones too). He is mentally ready and gets bored quite easily. However, what I didn't tell you is that he is only two and not yet ready for work. I won't start him until next summer - after he turns three. I want this horse to last a life time so that I will need to wait until he matures physically. Very good!!

deltawave

Dec. 15, 2003, 04:20 AM

Karosel, I doubt you will be flamed (though I admire your chutzpah!) http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif because--and this is something I'm beginning to really understand--the people who really, truly believe in this stuff have unshakable belief.

That belief is bulletproof: impervious to ANY critique, lack of proof, DISproof, or failure. If a person believes, that is all that is required. Proof is not needed. All one has to do is really believe and *poof*, it is so.

As has been demonstrated here, total "misses" make not a ripple, yet the VAGUEST of "hits" is met with a thrill of recognition on the part of the owner. (and who wouldn't, after all, wish to receive this kind of communication!)

And yet those of us who are skeptical are the ones accused of having "closed minds". http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Belief is great--it's like faith, I guess. And I now am beginning to see that this stuff is nothing more than a real belief in something. The fact that it's intangible and un-provable means that believers never, ever have to prove anything to anyone. They can simply just believe and it is so. Us poor, misguided skeptics are "in the dark" with our closed minds and desire for proof. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

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PaulaM

Dec. 15, 2003, 05:20 AM

I do believe that individuals do have the ability to communicate with animals and wish that I was one that had that intuition.

I have so many things I want to find out from my guys. I want to ensure that Canasta is happy with her current situation, that Briana is going to be OK in the long run and that why Tigger is doing certain things all of a sudden. I also wish I could find out why my cats are the way they are. But my head is just to busy to attempt to concentrate on making the connection with them.

nightsong

Dec. 15, 2003, 05:41 AM

Two replies:

Wicky -- As to what he wants you to do -- I don't know. And I still get hock bone chips. Can the x-rays be looked at again?

PaulaM -- as blackstallion says, this is only a gift in SOME people. We all can get better at it. It's like playing a saxaphone; some people are natural musicians, most will learn to play fairly well if they work at it.

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lovemyhorse

Dec. 15, 2003, 06:38 AM

norahlee,

If you should get a picture or any type of expression from my fella, I would appreciate you sharing it with me via this bb or my email.

thanks, lovemyhorse

nightsong

Dec. 15, 2003, 07:24 AM

Unless they're really trying HARD to put something into my mind, I get nothing at all. I can, however, ask him anything you like.

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lovemyhorse

Dec. 15, 2003, 07:39 AM

ha ha ha, hopefully there's something up there! he he he.

Is he happy?

nightsong

Dec. 15, 2003, 07:41 AM

He's happy when you're around him (picture of a big, toothy horsey GRIN!!!)

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lovemyhorse

Dec. 15, 2003, 07:49 AM

norahlee! He is a big, toothy fella!

Thanks!

PaulaM

Dec. 15, 2003, 08:11 AM

norahlee:

could you ask my Briana a question for me:

Can you ask her if she is hurting?

If you need to see a picture of her, here is a link:
http://www3.telus.net/public/rmeehan/dec14/brie1214.jpg
Paula

Black & Tan

Dec. 15, 2003, 09:51 AM

Question: do you think an animal communicator would be handy in a prepurchase situation? For instance, you go to see a horse and you really have no idea of it's personality / injuries, etc. An AC could come up with some insight for you.

poniesrule

Dec. 15, 2003, 10:48 AM

Norahlee, my friend's gelding Matthew has suffered from lameness for the past 3 years but we can't find anything wrong with hom...Can he tell you something???
Thanks

Wicky

Dec. 15, 2003, 11:14 AM

Sure, Norahlee - I have them in the barn. But you should know that they have been examined by four excellent vets... Are you sure you have the right horse? How do you know, especially if I've had multiple horses? Can you tell me a little about him so I can be sure?

deltawave

Dec. 15, 2003, 12:04 PM

Aargh. Wicky, maybe your vets were just RIGHT. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Wicky

Dec. 15, 2003, 12:35 PM

Yes, Delta, I know - but they haven't found WHY he is doing this, and I may as well go down all avenues (as long as it doesn't break me!) I am at my wits end!

nightsong

Dec. 15, 2003, 03:12 PM

I haven't been on here for a while and the questions piled up. Briana, you're first. Yes, there is pain, there is pain in all horses. PaulaM, I suspect you have something in mind. I don't know what it is, and, therefore, can't ask appropriate questions. I'm really limited here, to EXACTLY what you asked. I know this must be unpleasant for you, but I'm not allowed to guess. As an owner's representative, I do what you tell me.

Black&Tan -- about whether an AC would be handy in a prepurchase situation. I would. I can answer for no other people; I don't know how (and if!) they work.

Poniesrule -- look at the gelding's right front ankle. There should be some swelling and something with...ligaments?? I know that's not the right word but my knowledge of anatomy is limited. It's made outof the same stuff that ligaments are.

Wicky -- Could bone chips be hiding (in the X-ray(s)) behind the end of the lower leg bone that composes part of the joint? Big chestnut with white fairly high up on the legs.

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LEP Enterprises, LLC

Dec. 15, 2003, 03:27 PM

Noralee,

If you get a signal could you ask London (11 year old grey TB mare here in Colorado) if her new saddle is helping relieve her back pain? (her massage therapist broke her hand and I have not had her done since she got the new saddle)

Also, could you ask Kirshe (five year old BIG BAY Argentine WB) how her tendon is feeling?

I hope you get a message from my girls, thank you!

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*London*Hannah*Kirsche*
*Gryphon Bay & foal on the WAY!!!*

nightsong

Dec. 15, 2003, 03:35 PM

LEPE (I'm your NEIGHBOR, by the way): I get plenty. Always have, as a matter of fact. Your gray says that her back is so stiff that she can't TELL about that saddle thing. Eagerly awaiting the masseuse.

Kirshe says that tendon is fine. It hurts, but all ridden horse's legs hurt (from the concussion (EAGER to explain stuff here. You've got a real TALKER!!!! I recommend taking some lessons yourself on animal communication (you can take it mail-order -- I did) and getting some way-out stuff!!!!!)) and that's why horse's legs always hurt. And backs always hurt because they're a LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG unsupported stretch, and people sitting on t hem stretches them downward, which strains the muscles. That's hurt!!! You have kind of a vet here, in horse body!!!!! Ask me anything, please!!!

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desertrose

Dec. 15, 2003, 04:01 PM

hmm
I've always been on the fence on this but maybe norahlee could help... I'd like your instructions if possible...
I have two horses that have always been a little odd. One is my big boy who is currently on stall rest but hopefully better (is he?) and the other is a bay TB who has always been a bit of a puzzle (why?)

nightsong

Dec. 15, 2003, 04:10 PM

Desertrose -- Your dilemma is similar to a Mormon with two wives. you can't decide which to give your love to. You're kind of a monogamous woman, and two horses don't work. That's why the second-mentioned horse is "kind of a puzzle" -- you don't have the connection because you're not meant to. That's not your partner.

Your "big boy" is not commenting because he donesn't want to give you not-happy news. He thinks you're pretty clear on what his hurties are, and are just hoping for some not-real good news.

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nightsong

Dec. 15, 2003, 04:18 PM

Prairie -- I get a picture of Comanche dancing around on hind legs, with western tack on. I assumed you wanted to know where she was now; and got a picture of her. If you wanted something else, please tell me. I'm not a psychic; I don't know WHAT you want. I just relay just specific questions to the (horse /animal/whatever) and get what they give me. I am not as much of a miracle worker as you want. Ask and you might receive!!!

The horse with two riders doesn't mind.

The other horse says, yes, is happy, but is puzzled because you're probably asking something else but we don't know what it is.

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PaulaM

Dec. 15, 2003, 04:22 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by norahlee:
I haven't been on here for a while and the questions piled up. Briana, you're first. Yes, there is pain, there is pain in all horses. PaulaM, I suspect you have something in mind. I don't know what it is, and, therefore, can't ask appropriate questions. I'm really limited here, to EXACTLY what you asked. I know this must be unpleasant for you, but I'm not allowed to guess. As an owner's representative, I do what you tell me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just wanted to find out if 1) her RF leg is doing better than it was and 2) if she did any major damage yesterday to her RH leg and if she thought I should have Dr. Krista out anytime soon for her. I don't think she would have any riding horse type pain as she is only 2 and hasn't been ridden as of yet and won't be until I think she is ready both physically and mentally.

nightsong

Dec. 15, 2003, 04:37 PM

PaulaM -- Yes; no. Doesn't know what really means vet should come out. Feels unable to comment on this. Briana said yes, "there's pain in all horses" not referring to riding pain. It hurts your ears to be cold, it hurts your feet to walk on sharp frozen pieces of ground, it hurts to bump into the building corner -- that's all hurts. Happens all the time.

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desertrose

Dec. 15, 2003, 04:44 PM

Thanks for your time norahlee...
There are actually three horses in my life right now and I really only have time/money for two so I guess you have a point!
The big guy has always been my love even if he's not useful for anything. Hopefully he will be healed soon - it's been a while but the vet is happy with the progress so far but the horse is getting annoyed with his confinement (poor guy) anything I can do to make him happier?
Of the other two one is fairly uncomplicated four year old who I haven't quite connected with yet - how can I connect with him better - or what would he like to do if I find him a new home?
The final horses is a wonderful jumper but a very complicated and often explosive ride (although never in a mean way) - why does he have such a wild hair at times? We think probably bad past experiences but are not sure - he seems to like me but can be such a wild man sometimes (is it his food? pain? just his nature?)
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Kit

Dec. 15, 2003, 05:08 PM

Wow all this is a fascinating read! I love it! Norahlee you really sound very good. Can you tune into my horses? We don't have horse phsycics over here that I know of specifically. When I was buying my filly I got a man from America to visit and he told me not to buy her but I have anyway and adore her. She has had something funny in her hock (but seems fine now) that no one seems to know what it is. And my gelding has been sick for 19 months now and I sooo want him to be well. I would so appreciate any info. Thanks.

nightsong

Dec. 15, 2003, 05:10 PM

I'm trying to go back and answer some of the multi-part questions that I didn't get all the parts to. If that makes any sense.

Onyxthe Pony -- About names, horses do have a "soulname" that they respond to best. It would take a REALLY bad-natured animal to detest being called the wrong name, but they DO have trouble recognizing, and therefore, responding correctly, to the wrong name. They do TRY to get you to "pick" their "right" name. but they don't always get through, for various reasons.

War Admiral -- I can give you some of Avery's past if you like.

Littleum -- I get that your mare LOVES you, but is anxious about showing it in a way you'll like. She's neither aloof, camel, or queenly. Just AFRAID you'll do bad things to her. This filly has been punished for "god-only-knows-what" so often that she expects to get hurt out of the blue ALL OF THE TIME. THAT's her "problem." And it's not "stand"ing. She just gets distracted with this awareness of "fear coming down and hurting her" in her words. That's her speaking.

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nightsong

Dec. 15, 2003, 05:13 PM

Littleum -- not finished with your filly. Wht she REALLY likes is, besides good food, which, she is QUITE ANXIOUS to say to you, she DOES GET, and she has dreams of love.

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nightsong

Dec. 15, 2003, 05:19 PM

Desertrose (LOVE that name) -- your "big boy" will not comment on anything that's not loving. He says you know anyway, why bother to bring up not-nice-ness? He says he's okay.

The others are not yours, spiritually, so there's no way you're going to really connect with them. The second one has no concept of choosing his future. No things from him on that except ???????

The third one is angry at you for keeping him because you are keeping him from his soul mate.

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nightsong

Dec. 15, 2003, 05:24 PM

Kit -- your filly is, as she sees it, fine. Won't talk about the hock (this usually means that there IS something there and the animal does not want you to know for fear you'll send them to the knackers).

Your gelding is crying. He needs more than I can tell. I am not medically-oriented, and he NEEDS help and comfort. It seems that comfort is a HUGE unmet need for him. Maybe that's all he needs.

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nightsong

Dec. 15, 2003, 05:33 PM

More catching up on old questions.

Beau Peep -- horses do contact me and ask me questions; I ask them and answer them. We CAN have a two-way or three-way (with the owner) conversation. I've never tried to tell a horse that there's nothing behind jump wings/standards or whatever, but I SERIOUSLY doubt he'd believe me. I have, however, helped a dog show-er with a DUMB attention-deficit dog get through a routine in the ring. And I can tell you why a horse is freaking. A dude ranch where I worked last summer, the wranglers were always asking me, for instance, why won't he go through the creek? Answer: because the bottom might be slippery and he could fall.

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Kit

Dec. 15, 2003, 05:33 PM

Now you've got me crying!! What can I do? I'll never send the filly to the knackers. And my gelding is being given a break so that his ear/throat thing can heal.

nightsong

Dec. 15, 2003, 05:39 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>The big guy has always been my love even if he's not useful for anything. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

He says, what? Isn't love good for anything??

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nightsong

Dec. 15, 2003, 05:44 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Kit:
Now you've got me crying!! What can I do? I'll never send the filly to the knackers. And my gelding is being given a break so that his ear/throat thing can heal.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kit -- just TELL her. Put your face next to hers, look her in the eye and TELL her. That WILL work. Horses are a lot more psychic than we give them credit for. If you actually loook them in the eye and tell them something, nine times out of ten they will get it. It's OKAY!!! And no, I can't tell her. Would YOU believe a complete stranger telling you something like that? Neither will she. The gelding needs love. That's all.

I get the impression you live in a country where "useless" horses are sent off to the slaughterhouse a lot faster than we do here in the United States.

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Kit

Dec. 15, 2003, 05:46 PM

Is that for me? If so, I adore my gelding and when he's well, I want to trek him with my friends so he's very treasured!! Maybe he's well enough to continue? He's such a darling boy. And I want to get my filly started as she's ready to do something. I have her on a joint medication and hope that will help her. She's only been lame on the hock once but it was making funny noises. Seems perfectly fine now but do worry about the future. She'll always be with me though.

Kit

Dec. 15, 2003, 05:49 PM

Thanks Norah. Yes my horses are in the country but not many riding horses are sent away - most of us are way too sentimental for that. As for my gelding, I tried putting my two mares with him for company and he bossed them around. so went back to normal. He spends his nights and mornings in a yard next to my young mare. Both fatties. Will have to rethink. Thank you so much.

nightsong

Dec. 15, 2003, 05:51 PM

Kit, the gelding is not well enough. That's okay with him, but he is SO LOOOOOOOONELY. THAT's where the crying came from. Not from ANYTHING like pain; horses are pretty stoic (unused to complaining) about that. The fily is not asking for reassurance as to going back to work. And there MAY be nothing wrong there. I can only communicate her fears. I am not a long-range vet, although I definitely can ask "where does it hurt?" Horses have friends, they can communicate over long distances.

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Kit

Dec. 15, 2003, 05:58 PM

Thinking about it Norah, I have rescued the filly's mother who is now living with her so you would wonder that she would ever think I would do that to her. The mother is very old but I love her and she seems to think I'm okay too. Will put them all back together for gelding's sake. Thankyou!!

nightsong

Dec. 15, 2003, 06:04 PM

Kit -- the horses "talk" to each other, so they have an idea what happens to others. There is fear without rational ideas; you know what "nervous nellies" horses can be. The mare, by the way is not at all afraid (well, not much) about being sent to an untimely end, but the filly is obsessed with it. Perhaps because she saw what happened to her mother, so is KEENLY aware of the possibility. The gelding wants YOU, by the way, he's had his FILL of horse company. The filly is not afraid that YOU would do "that" to her, but you're a human. Humans do that to horses, sometimes. That's ENOUGH for her!!! But put your face close to hers (to get her attention), look her in the eye (to get the connection) and TELL HER. That's all. If you're telling the truth, she'll believe you. Horses can tell.

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Kit

Dec. 15, 2003, 06:14 PM

This is all pretty incredible. Thanks Norah. I've told my filly - young mare really (5), put my gelding out with the girls and given the old mare a hug. With Xmas coming up fast there's not a lot of time for them at the moment so he'll have to make do with them. i know by the way he looks at me that he wants more time but I don't have it till the New Year. He doesn't tell you he hurts does he? Or that he's getting better?

nightsong

Dec. 15, 2003, 06:25 PM

He hurts MENTALLY. Tht's all he's shared with me. The other (the problem that he's taken out of commission for )hurts, okay, but he's not going to mention it because it's common. It's just there. He only mentioned that he's not (even close, really) to being ready to go back to work. Getting better, he ASSUMES is occurring, but it's so slow that he can't really tell. Horses aren't that good at that sort of thing. They're concerned with NOW. That's all they really pay attention, and find it PRRETTY STUPID that I keep asking them about stuff that doesn't matter any more.

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Kit

Dec. 15, 2003, 06:36 PM

Interesting. Thought he had a pretty cruisy life really. I've never pushed him physically because of his health and until that's better, I can't stimulate him mentally. Catch 22 I guess. I'll leave him with the girls. That'll cheer him up. I've had him for 2 years so he shouldn't be homesick for his birthplace. He lives in a paddock with all sorts going on too. Ah well....

onelanerode

Dec. 15, 2003, 07:21 PM

Norahlee,
I am sure you're getting tons of questions about different horses. I'm an admitted skeptic, but I care about and miss a little blood-bay mare I last saw about a year ago. Can you tell me how she's doing, and can you tell me something about her that would convince me you're really communicating with her? Something like what her white markings are?

Be careful to whom you lend your shirt if you have a tendency to wear your heart upon your sleeve.

Rocky XVI

Dec. 15, 2003, 07:57 PM

norahlee, could you please ask Tia why she rears up and kicks when the lady rides her and wants her to trot or canter? Does it cause her pain, or does she just not like the lady? Also, why does she lift up her leg as if to kick when she is eating? Lastly, is she happy living here, or does she want to be somewhere else?

~posting my way from working hunter to grand prix~

nightsong

Dec. 15, 2003, 08:28 PM

Miss Annie -- She's a sweetie. I'd like to tell you what you have here, but there's no real idea you have to communicate with the horse. Just an idea to catch me out. so, there's nothing for me to do. Ask me a question, and I'll pass it along.

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nightsong

Dec. 15, 2003, 08:30 PM

Elsa, you have a horse with pain under the saddle. And the lifting up of leg is to warn you away from her food. Plus, horses have no concept of wanting to be somewhere else. They have no control over it.

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nightsong

Dec. 15, 2003, 08:34 PM

Kit, all your gelding NEEDS for his mental health is for you to spend some more time with him.

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vxf111

Dec. 15, 2003, 08:36 PM

I have some honest questions, not trying to be rude. I'll start off by saying I am a big non-believer. I can respect believer, but everyone should at least think things through.

I once had a seminar with James Randi, it was fascinating. All about debunking mystics and psychic phenomeon. He did spoon bending, turning watches backward, cold reading, all a manner of this stuff. Then showed us how it was done. There's a mathematical theorm that says the most logical answer is usually the right answer. The logic of animal communication, even on this thread, doesn't seem to ad up. Here are some questions I have...

How exactly do you connect up with these horses you communicate with long distance. Like say I ask you to read my bay appy gelding named Spot? I mean, there are probably a hundred appys named Spot in this state alone. How do you know when you have the right one? How do you shut out the other voices?

And what if they're asleep when you're trying to talk to them? I mean, the odds are that would happen sometimes-- right? Horses sleep a lot.

Or what if they're imported horses and don't speak English? I'm not being facetious. How do you communicate with horses overseas? Horses that have never had English spoken to them?

And why wouldn't horses lie? We know they're sneaky sometimes, what's to stop them from lying to you? Oh my back hurts, tell Suzy Owner not to ride me-- when really they're fine? So even if you could talk to them, could we credit their advice?

Why don't they speak linearly? They ACT linearly. I mean horses live from point A to point B. We've all seen this. Yet when they communicate, it's all non-linear and they remember snatches of unrelated things.

I have notied this when people communicate with dead relatives too. My uncle spoke in complete sentences and thought rationally when he was alive. Now that he's dead, he suddenly thinks of a man with the initials J.B. and the color orange. Can you imagine a live person having a conversation with you where they only thought in fits and starts like that? Why would death make them into riddles all of a sudden? And if they were going through the trouble to communicate, why wouldn't they just say something important rather than hint around something we already know about?

Why don't horses tell you silly stuff that no one cares about. Like that they love carrots and grain. They seem to always answer your questions, yet we know some animals (and people) don't like answering questions. Don't they ever resist?

I have no doubt that you really feel you communicate with animals. Don't we all wish it were so. But why does comminication defy the logic of normal communication? I just don't get it.

Certainly there are some people who are super adept at reading the non verbals of animals. I have no doubt that some communicators are like this and use this in their readings. And there are some people who animals love and are attracted to. I happen to be one of them. I can approach an abused dog that bites strangers and she'll roll over for her to pet her tummy. But I'm not talking to her and she's not talking to me-- not in a verbal sense. I'm reading her non verbals and showing her my positive, gentle non-verbals. And she senses that. Nothing supernatural, and yes it's a form of communication, but she's not speaking to me. My dad had a friend Vladamir who cats ADORED. He wasn't talking to them. They just sensed he was a good guy who loved cats.

So... that's my missive. Wish my sessions with James Randi weren't so long ago or I could give it a try (at the seminar he had us do cold readings on each other. It didn't take long to get good at it).

Also, while I am thinking about it, could you post the info for where you learned to do this? You said you had a course or something? You mentioned a book and a website. Was that it or was there something more? You do excellent cold readings, you really do. But you'd had some misses and some hits on this thread alone. Doesn't that mean something?

NOT being mean or criticising you. Just posting some general thoughts on the whole business of communicating. In the end, if getting a readin on your horse makes you happy-- more power to you. It certainly doesn't hurt.

~Veronica

"The Son Dee Times"
"Sustained"

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vxf111

Dec. 15, 2003, 08:39 PM

P.S.- One last thing. My FAVORITE thing about these kind of readings is that you cannot get an answer to a strightforward open ended question? Why? Isn't that odd? If you ask a person "what color are your eyes," they just say "brown." But when you speak to that person from the dead, you always seem to get the runaround. Why can't we ask horses "how many flakes of hay do you get at your morning feeding?" I mean, they love food-- they would know! Or even "how many other horses are turned out with you." Or "describe your stall mate's coloring and size."

"The Son Dee Times"
"Sustained"

nightsong

Dec. 15, 2003, 08:55 PM

vxf11 -- if you are interested in asking me anything, please do so.

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Kit

Dec. 15, 2003, 09:27 PM

Interestingly enough, all this does makes sense to ME. Thanks Norah.

nightsong

Dec. 15, 2003, 09:40 PM

Kit, I'm happy to hear you say that. I was unhappy about not getting through to you and causing you distress. Your filly had ONLY that one thing that was bothering her, and I told you how to rest her well, terrors, on that. The gelding just misses you terribly. I have nothing on the mare, but then you haven't asked me anything on her. I suspect, though, if there were a big issue, she would have butted in. Horses are like that!!!!!

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PeriwinkleBlue

Dec. 15, 2003, 09:49 PM

norah, I too am curious as to how you are able to identify what horse you're talking to. There are SO many horses in the States alone; how is it that you're able to orient on the exact one whose owner has asked you about, and positively ID him/her?
I'm not busting on you, really. I'm genuinely curious as to how that works for you.
Thanks!

PeriwinkleBlue

Dec. 15, 2003, 09:51 PM

Also, since I'm here, I noticed someone else asked about a horse that they no longer knew, and that gave me the idea to ask you the same question.
I sold a mare about 3 1/2 years ago, and I have not been able to get in contact with the owner for the past 3 years. Mail is returned as having an invalid address, phone is disconnected, no forwarding address, no calls to information turn anything up.
I was very attached to this little mare and would dearly love to know how she is doing - if she is even still alive.
Would describing her give you enough of a clue that you could perhaps find her and ask her if she is well, happy and maybe even remembers me? (It's been a looong time.)
Thanks...

Kit

Dec. 16, 2003, 12:52 AM

I have to tell you guys that Norah seems on track with my horses. My gelding hasn't had my attention for some weeks because as he wasn't well enough to take on a cavalcade, I had to spend time getting another horse fit and I left him to hopefully recuperate a bit. He has an ear throat infection. So he has been missing me - and always watched longingly when I took the other horse out. My filly should be as happy as - she doesn't do a lot. She's pretty easy going. I do see them morning and evening though doing covers and feeds so it's not like I've been neglecting them!

lovemyhorse

Dec. 16, 2003, 05:01 AM

norahlee, thank you for helping me and instructing me on how to communicate with my horse. I am working on it but I have a serious question for him if you would be so kind to ask him. Would you ask him if his throat is ok? Why he is mute most of the time? When he does whinnie, it is very high pitched like a foal? Does it hurt there? I am facinated by all this.

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 05:07 AM

Great question, Periwinkle. (And I have a fondness for the color periwinkle blue. It was the color of my maid of honor dress for my sister's wedding. Very unusual color.) I was going to address that anyway. The question, by the way, ishow do I know which horse to talk to. I go through the owner. They are projecting to me whle they talk, and that projection includes the horse. I just home in on that (no need to travel the world going, here horsie, here horsie, they're actually brought to me by whomever is talking to me about communicating to their animal. I don't have to do ANYTHING there. That's why I don't need to worry about identifying the animal, although, of course, I can check on markings or other "identifying" characteristics if t he owner so wishes. That's all!!! Whenever you're thinking about an animal, you're calling him, and the person asking me to communicate already has the horse/animal "on the line", so to speak. (and I use "him" like "mankind," not implying sex/gender, although the horses don't make any distinction between male and female, because they don't ACT like male and female in their sterile domesticated lives. Sex has no part in it (and I don't have any stallion experience, that I recall)).

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 05:10 AM

Peri -- about the former horse. I really don't think she is alive. I get nothing on this plane. Really.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 05:12 AM

Kit -- I did not mean to imply in any way that you are neglecting or providing inadequate care in any way for ANY of your horses. The gelding DOES miss you terribly; that's because he is so attached to you. Do you think he'd be that way if you were bad to him??

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 05:15 AM

lovemyhorse, there IS something that is going on with your horse's vocal chords. I see nodules on them. They interfere with the vocal chords' vibrating, which is what produces the sound. Get a vet out to know more, the horse will not comment on pain. But I think there is some. At least raspiness when he (breathes?).

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 05:25 AM

vxfll, I'll do your list now. I didn't get it done last night, because the public computer I was using is in a building that was about to close. But here I am now. And if I wear out in the middle, I'll attempt to get back to it. Many of your questions require me to go communicating to get the answers, and that's hard on me. As one of the horses I communicated with yesterday said, it's like throwing your thoughts way up in the sky.

The question on how to know which horse was answered for Peri earlier on this page.

Any sleeping animal will be awakened suddenly when a perfect stranger suddenlyshows up in their mind.

I don't really believe animals speak English, or Swahili, or whatever. Either there are "translations" of the unintelligible horse-mind emanations through my subconscious (subconscious is GOOD at transmitting things to us; that's where dreams come from) or I'm getting help from angels. ???

Maybe horses do lie. I have no way of knowing. I'm just a translater. Of "horse" to "human." My "input" is something I have no control over. If you'll notice, I told Kit I thought her mare was lying.

Linearly?????? I just know I get answers.

I don't think ths orange J.B. things on your uncle are true.

Horses don't usually tell me silly stuff, unless that's what they are asked.

I already posted how I "learned" to do this. I read a book. That's all. Animal Talk by Penelope smith. The author also had, at that time, 15 years ago, a tape set and seminar that she recommended as a "course." I did that.

I have no idea what you mean by a cold reading. I think it's a horrible insult, however.

I have had no misses on this thread that I am aware of.

Yes you are being mean and criticizing me.

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Wicky

Dec. 16, 2003, 05:31 AM

Wicky -- Could bone chips be hiding (in the X-ray(s)) behind the end of the lower leg bone that composes part of the joint? Big chestnut with white fairly high up on the legs.

Wrong horse!
Dark brown-black tobiano pinto. 17 hands.

JDufort

Dec. 16, 2003, 05:52 AM

Norahlee

we have a blind Appie (Opie) who is having trouble that we can't sort out. Can you help? Thanks

Jeanne
eventing - what a great sport!

dressager

Dec. 16, 2003, 06:10 AM

Norah, PLEASE place me at the end of the list as I know you are tired. Is there anything I can do to make him more comfortable- in any part of his life- stall, riding, turnout, whatever he needs.

Thanks http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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onelanerode

Dec. 16, 2003, 06:11 AM

Norahlee,
Is she in any pain? Is she happy where she is? Does she miss anyone or remember anyone in particular? Is there anything else she wants me to know?

Be careful to whom you lend your shirt if you have a tendency to wear your heart upon your sleeve.

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 06:47 AM

Wicky, "dark brown-black" is not a recognized color. If it's not "brown" (can't tell from black except for the muzzle), then it's chestnut. Chestnut with white = pinto. That's how I learned the color names, anyway.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 06:52 AM

JDufort -- There is depression, the absolute first time I have seen it in a horse. There is no interest in speaking; just apathy. No interest in doing back-and-forth problem solving which is kind of the response to "trouble". If you would like to ask much more specific questions, I'm sure I'll get accurate answers.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 07:00 AM

Dresager, your horse is GRATLY interested in haveing a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG conversation. This particularly animal is REALLY good at it, so don't worry about me being so tired. THIS animal can do all the work. (By the way, the "work" is in projecting "thoughts" (which includes images and emotions). Sometimes I do ALL the projecting, very occasionally they do. Sometimes we meet in the middle. As another horse said, it's like throwing your thoughts WAY UP into the sky.)

So, ask all the questions you're dying to!!!

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 07:05 AM

Miss annie -- the bay mare is in pain. She's not at all happy, which is why you're thinking about her now. She's calling out to you. She's begging you to come get her. Sure, she misses YOU (you're VERY important to her). She's talking to you right now. You're communicating!!! She wants you.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 07:07 AM

Pokey -- she MISSES you. You're supposed to be with her, in her opinion. That's what you can do for her.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 07:12 AM

Some I hope, interesting stuff for anyone who's interested. We communicate through radio waves, JUST LIKE tv's, ham radios, portable radios, telephones that don't use wires, etc. etc. We talk to each other on our own INDIVIDUAL frequencies. that said, I had to have a vegetarian breakfast this morning. Anything, and my "frequency" would have been messed up -- the animal(s) I ate would have been mixed in with my personal frequency.

And when I get tired, I "back off" and let the animal(s) "throw" their thoughts a little further. It works. All the animals that people have communicated with me about on this board have been QUITE competent at it. Says a lot about their level of care, they've been practicing. You folks DO do it; just don't know it.

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Wicky

Dec. 16, 2003, 07:46 AM

Sorry - does anyone have any problems with calling a pinto that is very dark brown (almost black, but definately brown at the muzzle), a chestnut??? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

He's by Art Deco - chestnut????

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 07:50 AM

wicky, I apparently donot call colors the same thing you do. My upbringing, I apologize. But I do really get that there is a bone chip on the lower outside of the right hock. Really.

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JDufort

Dec. 16, 2003, 07:51 AM

Norahlee

Opie is a rescue horse - we've had him for about 4 years. His blindness is about 1 year old. He has had behavior problems, and we spent several years working with a series of trainers and one woman who specializes in re-training problem horses. We gave up trying to use hime for pleasure riding about 2 years ago (he had periodic spells when he was dangerous to his rider). His only job today is hanging out and being fed. For about 6 months this year, we moved him to a neighbor's farm, where their goat and miniature horses competed with him for his food. This seemed to make him very anxious, and he began to wildly kick when anyone or anything came near him.

Now he's at home, with only one pasture mate, but he is still periodically very menacing to people, even when we are trying to give him food.

Is there something more we can do to keep him happier? We are (reluctantly) beginning to consider euthanasia if we cannot find a way to feed him safely.

sorry for the long explanation - we'd love to find a solution for Opie.

Jeanne
eventing - what a great sport!

deltawave

Dec. 16, 2003, 07:57 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Wicky:
Sorry - does anyone have any problems with calling a pinto that is very dark brown (almost black, but definately brown at the muzzle), a chestnut???<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ummm, YES! And calling other horses "bay" when it suits, then insisting that dark bay/brown isn't a "recognized color" (didn't know horses read rule books) or that "if it isn't brown then it's chestnut". OH, BROTHER, PEOPLE!

This is taking on rather an entertaining aspect now, I must say! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

People, go communicate with your horses, by all means, but please exercise a little bit of detachment and re-read this thread with some skepticism, even if it's artificial skepticism. There is NOT ONE THING HERE that isn't completely vague or applicable to almost ANY horse with an owner who is concerned about him/her.

He's lonely.
His back hurts.
He's worried you don't love him.
She loves you.
She's bored.
He wants you to spend more time with him.

Jeez! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif It all sounds like a very quick and direct route to the guilt we all have about being busy and unable to give our horses an ideal life. Guilt is a powerful emotion--it's no wonder people react so powerfully when this is touched upon. Go give your horse a hug and a carrot and stop torturing yourselves! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Edited to add that that list above sounds like the kvetching of some little old man! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif This is all just so SILLY.

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lovemyhorse

Dec. 16, 2003, 07:57 AM

norahlee,

When you've had time to respond to everyone and have some extra time, would you be so kind to see if my horse can tell you anything about his tummy and how I can help?

lmh

vxf111

Dec. 16, 2003, 07:58 AM

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Norahle. I posted right up front that I was a skeptic. And I still am! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Not trying to disparage you in particular, it's just that the entire idea of animal communication through vibrations in the air doesn't make sense. Nothing personal to you! Really! AND if you KNOW its true and you KNOW you can do it, why would you let me questioning of the field in general upset you??? If you can really communicate with animals, I suggests you sign up for James Randi's $1 million prize for demonstrating paranormal activity. Who couldn't use extra holiday cash??

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Not quite true. Wicky's horse doesn't have chips in his hock, as far as the vet can tell after doing a bone scan and x-rays. I know you'll insist that the chips are there and the vets are missing them, but all proof seems to indicate otherwise. Plus, you get your information from the HORSE, right? How would HE know it's chips back there and not something else? You can't FEEL a bone chip and distinguish it from some other sort of pain. I had a chip in my finger when I broke it. I just knew it hurt, I didn't know WHAT was causing the hurt.

You got a reading on Karosel's non-existant horse. When she came clean, you said some other horse was speaking to her. That's a pretty convinent response. And I thought you contacted the horses through the owner? Well, if Karosel was thinking of a fake animal, how did you get through to something real?

You keep seeing that Kitt's filly is terrified of being sent to slaughter. Yet Kitt would NEVER do that. Kitt RESCUED the mare, for heaven's sake! So where is this unfounded fear coming from?

<<Yes you are being mean and criticizing me.>>

I'm not trying to be mean and I'm not criticising you. I am sure you really believe in the communication, and I know some people enjoy having you communicate with their animals. But the logic of the whole thing doesn't make any sense. This is not directed at YOU but directed at the whole "field." Anyway, as I said before, if you know it's real and you KNOW people are going to be skeptical-- why would it bother you???

~Veronica

P.S.- On a total tangent, if one of the naysayers (Deltawave?) would like to ask ME a question... I'll try giving you a reading on your horse. It's been a while since I studied this stuff and I am rusty-- but I'll try *opening the channels* and giving it a go.

P.P.S.- Norahlee, as I said before-- if people enjoy this, more power to them. I don't disparage you doing this or people having it done. But the logic just doesn't add up. I appreciate you going through and answering my questions, I really do-- but it still doesn't make sense. Maybe you can convince me http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif if you ask 1 of my horses to describe the color, makings, and size of the horses stalled on either side of him. That's pretty concrete, and he definately knows the answer to that question.

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"Sustained"

deltawave

Dec. 16, 2003, 08:03 AM

Sure, vxf...have at it! I already asked for someone to tell me what color Gwen's turnout blanket was and what her favorite treats are...care to have a go? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif And you can't say those are trivial things because Gwen cares VERY PASSIONATELY about her treats! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Either that or ask Kelly what on earth made her start freaking out about XC--the main mystery in my horsey life! (hint: all the "obvious" answers have been ruled out) http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I did a joking "cold read" off the top of my head once on another BB and people were like "ooh, wow, that's so cool!" They were willing to buy it even from me, the ultra-naysayer! (neigh-sayer?) http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 08:22 AM

JDufort, Opie (pretty meanly) tells me to go away. I do not see any safe way to keep this animal.

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 08:32 AM

lovemyhorse -- the horse's tummy is uncomfortable and he can tell that it's rumbling. That's all he can tell me. I ask the soul, not the horse itself, when I do this stuff, unless specifically asked to talk to the horse, because the soul knows stuff that the horse couldn't possibly know: nutritional deficiencies, lamenesses, cause of distress, etc. If I only talked to the horse, I wouldn't get much at all.

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onelanerode

Dec. 16, 2003, 08:34 AM

Thanks, Norahlee.
Can she give you any specifics on what is causing her pain? Aside from me, could you ask her if there is someone else who could help her?

Be careful to whom you lend your shirt if you have a tendency to wear your heart upon your sleeve.

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 08:48 AM

vf111 -- If you think that the idea of communicating with "vibrations in the air" is nonexistent, then you've never listened to a radio. That's what they do. Radio waves. And I do not KNOW I do it. when I first started out, I did a lot of testing -- asking horses things I couldn't possiblyknow but the person I was in communication did. Based on empirical evidence, I concluded, but don't really believe, that what I get is not only real, but true and reliable. In my case. I have never communicated with anyone who does this sort of thing. I tell my own experiences. Period.

I HAVE had not missed on this thread that I am aware of. If wicky's vets have not seen bone chips on the x-rays, does that mean that they CANNOT be behind the bone I specifically described? If I knew enough to be a vet, I could maybe answer that. I talk to the soul. THEY know all about bhe body's lamenesses, mental health, causes of problems, etc. Of course the horse itself does not know why it hurts, any more than you or I.

I DID contact some horse through karosel that had that described back pain. Dont know what horse.

Kit's filly was afraid of slaughter because her mother was rescued, therefore she knew it could happen to her. No comment on kit herself, knowing it could happen was plenty to scare her.

Who said anything bothered me? And how could anything being directed me POSSIBLY apply to the entire field? I know nothing of what the entire field is, or of even one individual in the field. I do it for myself and for anyone who asks, free of charge. I don't believe, I test. You sound like you are bothered, however. Very early on in this thread I promised to answer all questions directed at me. I am keeping my promise. I do that.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 08:53 AM

Miss annie -- the pain is loneliness for you. Aside from that, I see no problems. I get a picture of her standing looking, searching in the distance for you.

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poniesrule

Dec. 16, 2003, 08:53 AM

Thanks so much for your time Norah!
Matthew gets lame behind, more so when we pick up the contact. Can he tell you more about this? Also does he like his saddle? Does he wnat to drive? What scared him when he was driven before?
My new filly Fleur, is she looking forward to work?

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 08:59 AM

poniesrule, matthew has some pain (I see something swollen) in his right rear ankle (fetlock joint),He doesn't like his work, because of the pain, and has, therefore, no answers on the saddle. It's just not something he notices when his fetlock joint hurts so much. About driving, a WHOLE LOT scared him, because he couldn't see!!! Just could be whole herds of elephants to the side of him and he wouldn't know!!!!He doesn't know of any specific thing that you are apparently referring to. Fleur is pretty anxious about going to work, but is VERY anxious to please you.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 09:01 AM

poniesrule, I'm not permitted to edit on this public computer, so here is a clarification. Matthew does not DISLIKE his work, he's just not too fond of his fetlock hurting.

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poniesrule

Dec. 16, 2003, 09:50 AM

Is that why Matthew refuses to canter???
Can you elaborate on Fleur's anxiety about work? Is she not ready or does she want to? Tell her that I won't let anything behind her hurt her (she's afraid of noises behind)

vxf111

Dec. 16, 2003, 09:53 AM

Okay, norahlee here is my 1 question. Then I am leaving this thread (unless Deltawave wants a reading, which I'll give her a go at). Please ask Stoney to describe the horse stabled on one side of him. This gives you a couple of chances to get it right-- he has a horse on either side. Please ask him to describe the approximate size, coloring, markings, and maybe temperment of the horse. He LOFFs his stablemates, so I know he'll know this. If Stoney is unwilling, sleeping, etc. you can ask Shane the same question. He also has 2 stablemates. That gives you 4 chances to get it right. Also, please let me know which horse you spoke to so I know which stablemates we're describing.

~Veronica

"The Son Dee Times"
"Sustained"

lovemyhorse

Dec. 16, 2003, 10:13 AM

Thank you norahlee.

Would you be so kind to ask how he feels about his training?

JDufort

Dec. 16, 2003, 10:14 AM

Norahlee
ouch, but thanks for the "news" from Opie. Does Cody (his pasture mate) have anything to say?

Jeanne
eventing - what a great sport!

cj30080

Dec. 16, 2003, 10:22 AM

Good afternoon, Norahlee.

I am bored at work and just stumbled on this conversation. I find animal communication fascinating.

If you are taking further requests, I would love to know what my 2 are thinking about.

One is a 7 year old American Saddlebred mare learning dressage.

The other is my 29 year old American Saddlebred gelding.

Both are in Georgia.

Thank you.

lovemyhorse

Dec. 16, 2003, 10:23 AM

norahlee, can you impart something or a feeling to my horse? Let him know that I will always take care of him and will never let anyone hurt him? lmy

IdahoBetty

Dec. 16, 2003, 10:31 AM

Ok, here goes. I am half leasing a Hannovarian mare, and riding her 4 days/week. She's been owned by the same person (my instructor) for maybe 10 years. I guess I'd like to know what the mare would like to see changed inorder to enjoy our interactions a bit more - change in tack, change in one-on-one interactions, etc?

Thanks in advance!

WHS

Dec. 16, 2003, 10:46 AM

Norahlee,in a previous post you mentioned something to a person about her being connected to one of her horses but not the other?The response about the person having two wives (or husbands, I can't remember) Is it best then to only have one horse to give all your attention/love to? I have two and desperately get the feeling that the big girl knows she's #1 and the other girl(no matter how nice and kind I am to her) knows she is second fiddle and only here to keep the big girl company.Would it be best in these kind of situations to only keep one horse with a goat or similar farm animal for a companion? The second mare seems distant and lost...I have no job for her.

onelanerode

Dec. 16, 2003, 10:53 AM

Thank you Norahlee!
Is she getting enough to eat? We did a lot of things together; what activity did she like the best?
There's one other horse I would like to ask you about. I foaled out a dark bay mare last spring, and I was wondering if she would tell you what happened to her before she came to her current barn. Also, what does her youngest filly think about humans?
Thank you so much, Norahlee. I know you've got to be tired and probably wishing you hadn't made an open invitation on this BB ... I know there are a LOT of people on here who really want to connect with their horses more deeply, so thanks for helping us out.

Be careful to whom you lend your shirt if you have a tendency to wear your heart upon your sleeve.

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 11:10 AM

poniesrule, matthew is really not interested in cantering because of that moment in the canter when he rocks back on his hocks. It REALLY hurts.

And the filly is kind of like a kid before that first day of kindergarten. She's worried about what will happen, she has friends who got in pain after work, and she'd like life to be a little more certain. It's not as far as not wanting to. I can't tell whether she's ready or not, there's too much anxiety in the way. I don't see any problems, though. She doesn't believe that you have enough power to keep things from behind from huritng her. She knows a horse that got HURT from someething that came up behind her, and is AFRAID this might happen to her. You have a "nervous nellie" here.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 11:12 AM

vxf111 -- the first horse you mentioned , stoney, says that one next door neighbor is black and white. He looks toward the other one, chestnut with a blaze face. THIS is the friend.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 11:18 AM

lovemyhorse, he loves his training because it's being around someone he loves.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 11:23 AM

JDufort, That horse is mean. His pasture-mate does agree, and would rather ( he's apologetic about this) not be in there with him. He says that Opie is not the right name for his pasture mate, it should be Black Satan.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 11:24 AM

cj300080 -- they are both thinkig of being with yu!!! Their favorite thing.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 11:26 AM

lovemyhorse,I can TELL your horse what you are feeling, that you will always take care of him, but he's not sure about it.If you tell him (just stand in front of him and SAY it) it will get through.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 11:28 AM

IdahoBetty -- the Hanoverian wants her person back. I don't see what you can do to get her attention, period.

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cj30080

Dec. 16, 2003, 11:30 AM

Norahlee -

I'm glad I'm their favorite thing. It's mutual. Do you mind a specific question or two for both?

(1) Is my 29 year old feeling comfortable? Is there anything else I can do to make his life better?

(2) How does my 7 year old feel about jumping? How can I help her learn to stretch out and down as part of her dressage training? Right now, she only wants to go all curled up.

Thank you.

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 11:30 AM

WHS -- that's true. You understand. That other horse is being kept from their true person, and that's why it's sad. Not the "no job," horses don't care about that, but the "no person."

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WHS

Dec. 16, 2003, 11:37 AM

Norahlee, so is it possible to have more than one horse and keep them both happy on an emotional level.They must sense which one is the "favorite".Do you find most people who have multiple horses have several unhappy horses?Should I get down to just one? Would you think the other horse would be lonely being the only horse on my farm.

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 11:37 AM

misss annie -- she's getting enough to eat, but only because she's eating grass (pout here). You COULD feed her more grain, you know. As to the activities, she likes the trotty stuff best. The mare you "foaled out" is happpy. Life is all right. Now we run into that refusal to deal with the past. "What's done is done," she says. Forget it. It's not fun, she says, not as fun as you are. And the baby is worried about life. It's all so new, and incomprehensible. People are scary.

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lovemyhorse

Dec. 16, 2003, 11:39 AM

norahlee, is he not sure I will take care of him or does he not understand? Also, do horses feel love like humans do?

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 11:43 AM

cj30080 -- it's his right front ankle (fetlock joint). It's not comfortable.He's VERY PLEASED to have this opportunity to talk to you. You could stand in front of them and TELL them some ofthese things. Horses are more psychc than we give them credit for. It'll get through. Your 7 year-old is afraid of jumping, because it hurts her back when the rider comes down on it (landing). If it doesn't disturb her balance, maybe yu could stay up in 2-point for a while after landing. Then ease back into normal. This fear of jumping ismore fear than reality.

The bunching up in dressage -- check the fit of the saddle. I think the points of the tree are poking her, and curling up is the feminine equivalent of fetal postion -- trying to protect yourself. It dosn't work, but so what -- the mare is young.

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littleum

Dec. 16, 2003, 11:47 AM

Norah, I've been thinking, and can't think of anything that may have made my filly so upset... I've never been harsh- firm, but never harsh, she is quite naughty at times- but I've only been working with her 2 months now... can she be more specific? (asking a horse to be specific....LOL...)

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 11:47 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by WHS:
Norahlee, so is it possible to have more than one horse and keep them both happy on an emotional level.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The horse we are assigned by God is our partner. They are MEANT to be with us. The others are, more or less, other people's horses. Yes, there may be loneliness as an only horse, but we are more important in their lives than you think. As long as YOU are there, the lack of other animals will probably be just fine with them. They don't have to share you, also.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 11:50 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by lovemyhorse:
norahlee, is he not sure I will take care of him or does he not understand? Also, do horses feel love like humans do?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

lovemyhorse, he UNDERSTANDS me telling him that you will take care of him, but he doesn't BELIEVE me. If you tell him, he'll believe it. And they DO feel love. Both sending and receiving and, in fact, living it.

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Keltic Kross

Dec. 16, 2003, 11:54 AM

I have read this whole thread to bottom and now am REALLY curious. So I have a question for norahlee (if you feel up to another one!):

Now, the horse I would be curious to hear something from is not really *my* horse, a chunky 16.3hh TB gelding, but wanted to know if he is hurting in any way, and also if he is happy with his current situation. I am most concerned with his happiness, even if he isn't *my* horse.

Any insight would be most appreciated. Thanks.

lovemyhorse

Dec. 16, 2003, 11:55 AM

norahlee, I just want to thank you for all your time spent answering such a hungry group of folks! I know there are a lot of skeptical folks and we all have the right to our own opinions. But I'd just like to thank you for your generosity of time and compassion. And you are right, love is all there is. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

lovemyhorse

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 11:56 AM

littleum, what happened is that someone was next to her, and kind of beat on her to get her to move over. As the filly tells it, out of very mild fear of being pushed over by her. That is all
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lovemyhorse

Dec. 16, 2003, 11:57 AM

oooh, one last question, I promise (I think)

how does my boy feel about his new saddle?

lmh

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 11:58 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Keltic Kross:
I have read this whole thread to bottom and now am REALLY curious. So I have a question for norahlee (if you feel up to another one!):

Now, the horse I would be curious to hear something from is not really *my* horse, a chunky 16.3hh TB gelding, but wanted to know if he is hurting in any way, and also if he is happy with his current situation. I am most concerned with his happiness, even if he isn't *my* horse.

Any insight would be most appreciated. Thanks.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Keltic Kross, he is yours in that you care for him. I get a HUGE outpouring of love here. And he has a right front fetlock that hurts. And his current situation, he asks wistfully, could you buy him?

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QHEventr

Dec. 16, 2003, 11:59 AM

norahlee-

I have a 10 yr old TB gelding that competes quite a bit. I would love to know what he thinks of the work.

I also have recently aquired a 4 yr old Irish Gelding that was deemed "unmanageable" by his past owners...I have never thought of him as unmanageable, but am wondering what had him so worried.

Johanna

"If I had to pick one thing to hang my hat on, I would want the horse that I was going to buy to have a face that I would enjoy seeing poked over the stall webbing every morning, waiting for breakfast"
- Jimmy Wofford on selecting a horse

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 12:05 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by lovemyhorse:
norahlee, I just want to thank you for all your time spent answering such a hungry group of folks! I know there are a lot of skeptical folks and we all have the right to our own opinions. But I'd just like to thank you for your generosity of time and compassion. And you are right, love is all there is. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

lovemyhorse<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank YOU ALL for letting me. It is a privilege, and I'm honored to have been trusted enough to be asked to interact with your babies. In return, I've tried to share horse behavior and the mechanics of communication so you can realize that you DO do it, more than you realize. It requires an open mind. They can't put themselves into your mind if there is no door there. And the tagline -- it came from my cat.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 12:06 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by lovemyhorse:
oooh, one last question, I promise (I think)

how does my boy feel about his new saddle?

lmh<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It hurts.

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lovemyhorse

Dec. 16, 2003, 12:08 PM

Thank you norahlee-now go and get some rest and have a nice holiday! lmh

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 12:09 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by QHEventr:
norahlee-

I have a 10 yr old TB gelding that competes quite a bit. I would love to know what he thinks of the work.

I also have recently aquired a 4 yr old Irish Gelding that was deemed "unmanageable" by his past owners...I have never thought of him as unmanageable, but am wondering what had him so worried.

Johanna

"If I had to pick one thing to hang my hat on, I would want the horse that I was going to buy to have a face that I would enjoy seeing poked over the stall webbing every morning, waiting for breakfast"
- Jimmy Wofford on selecting a horse

"Event parties are all about adrenaline release, beer, loud music, and unacceptable behavior. Dancing on the table is strictly OK, as is climbing up the tent pole."
- Denny Emerson
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QHEventr -- he doesn't like, it's scary with all the people there (and he knows how unpredicatable PEOPLE can be) and they're all tense, wanting to win. He'd MUCH prefer a nice trail ride. Nowthat's fun, and comunication with you.

The other gelding isn't speaking. "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 12:13 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by lovemyhorse:
Thank you norahlee-now go and get some rest and have a nice holiday! lmh<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fat chance.

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Keltic Kross

Dec. 16, 2003, 12:15 PM

norahlee: thank you, the right front fetlock is sore, that is being tended to (not to my liking but as I said, I don't own him and have no say over the decisions made).
I was just curious as to what would come through, he'll never be the fanciest horse on earth, but I think he is perfect just as he is.

Do animals know who makes decisions for them? I would hate to think *my* horse thinks I make the decisions, if I did, things would have been different a long time ago (not better or worse necissarily (sp?), just different, wanted to clear that up!).

But thanks again, I know this board must be taking up a lot of your time these days! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

RoXyJK5

Dec. 16, 2003, 12:23 PM

Horse psychics eh? I'm a bit on the skeptical(sp??) side of this kind of thing. Just because I think that ppl will do anything for money...It'd be hard to find a *REAL* one I think...I do try to keep my mind open tho, as I do feel that yes, someone can possess these talents. But then again if you're a true horseman - or woman - then you can develope skills to understand your horse with time. Maybe not be able to read his mind, but I mean, must we know everything?????? That's part of the fun!! If I knew my horse was cussing me everytime I got on his/her back, I'd be kinda leary of everything *I'm* doing, much less of what he/she's doing.

But there probably are some ppl who can, in fact 'talk' to horses. But I think the majority of them are full of themselves...they never should have quit their day job http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Plz keep in mind this is just my opinion. Not trying to *bash* anyone!!! I'm am very happy to be proven wrong! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Jessica

*Where oh where could my horsie be???*

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 12:38 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Keltic Kross:
norahlee: thank you, the right front fetlock is sore, that is being tended to (not to my liking but as I said, I don't own him and have no say over the decisions made).
I was just curious as to what would come through, he'll never be the fanciest horse on earth, but I think he is perfect just as he is.

Do animals know who makes decisions for them? I would hate to think *my* horse thinks I make the decisions, if I did, things would have been different a long time ago (not better or worse necissarily (sp?), just different, wanted to clear that up!).

But thanks again, I know this board must be taking up a lot of your time these days! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Horse don't at all consider who makes the decisions for them. Life is life.

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QHEventr

Dec. 16, 2003, 12:43 PM

Norahlee-

Does Diamond truly not like competing? Unfortunatly, I find that kind of hard to believe.

The one that isn't speaking has had something happen in the past to spook him. What does he think of his "new" life?

"If I had to pick one thing to hang my hat on, I would want the horse that I was going to buy to have a face that I would enjoy seeing poked over the stall webbing every morning, waiting for breakfast"
- Jimmy Wofford on selecting a horse

"Event parties are all about adrenaline release, beer, loud music, and unacceptable behavior. Dancing on the table is strictly OK, as is climbing up the tent pole."
- Denny Emerson

Dalriada

Dec. 16, 2003, 12:49 PM

Noralee - I would love to get a reading on a horse. Asked one communicator who has never gotten back to me.

I have a 4 year old mare that just seems to be blah.

We did blood work and she showed to be a little low on the 'thyroid' hormone, so we have put her on meds to correct this.

We bred and raised this mare. I haltered her as a Yearling and she was opinionated. She was broke as a late 2 year old and my mom has been riding her since. We even got her to the show ring a few times this year and she just took everything in stride - not like the rest of the bloodline.

Is there anything that is bothering her that we can do to correct. I would to be able to help her.

"I am only one; but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something; I will not refuse to do something I can do." - Helen Keller

cj30080

Dec. 16, 2003, 12:50 PM

Norahlee - I know I said no more questions but I do have a couple.I hope you don't mind.

(1) Does my 29 year old gelding have much vision? Does he feel he can see pretty well?

(2) I don't know if the 7 year old can distinguish but how does she feel about the other saddle I ride in once in a while? I'm concerned to hear that my dressage saddle may be uncomfortable to her.

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 12:53 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by QHEventr:
Norahlee-

Does Diamond truly not like competing? Unfortunatly, I find that kind of hard to believe.

The one that isn't speaking has had something happen in the past to spook him. What does he think of his "new" life?

"If I had to pick one thing to hang my hat on, I would want the horse that I was going to buy to have a face that I would enjoy seeing poked over the stall webbing every morning, waiting for breakfast"
- Jimmy Wofford on selecting a horse

"Event parties are all about adrenaline release, beer, loud music, and unacceptable behavior. Dancing on the table is strictly OK, as is climbing up the tent pole."
- Denny Emerson
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Diamond did not actually comment on the riding part, except that the rider is tenser than usual. The new life is okay, but could the animal make a request? More food, please?

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 12:56 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Dalriada:
Noralee - I would love to get a reading on a horse. Asked one communicator who has never gotten back to me.

I have a 4 year old mare that just seems to be blah.

We did blood work and she showed to be a little low on the 'thyroid' hormone, so we have put her on meds to correct this.

We bred and raised this mare. I haltered her as a Yearling and she was opinionated. She was broke as a late 2 year old and my mom has been riding her since. We even got her to the show ring a few times this year and she just took everything in stride - not like the rest of the bloodline.

Is there anything that is bothering her that we can do to correct. I would to be able to help her.

"I am only one; but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something; I will not refuse to do something I can do." - Helen Keller<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Four-year-old is blah due to nutritional balances. Look at phosphorous.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 12:59 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by cj30080:
Norahlee - I know I said no more questions but I do have a couple.I hope you don't mind.

(1) Does my 29 year old gelding have much vision? Does he feel he can see pretty well?

(2) I don't know if the 7 year old can distinguish but how does she feel about the other saddle I ride in once in a while? I'm concerned to hear that my dressage saddle may be uncomfortable to her.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

29-year-old sees well enough for his purposes. Doesn't think there is any problem with his vision. Kind of baffled that I asked. 7-year-old is quite aware of the different saddles. Not only do they SMELL different (horses are animals, we tend to forget!!!) but they have them (saddles) pressing so hard on them for so long that any difference is, literally (almost) imbedded in their hide. The unusual saddle is quite better.

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baycheval

Dec. 16, 2003, 01:19 PM

Norahlee-

If you dont mind yet another inquiry:

1. Can you tell me where my gelding hurts?
2. I'm curious to know what my mare thinks about me and her work.
3. Can my filly tell you anything about what she may need (if anything)?

Thanks in advance http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

IdahoBetty

Dec. 16, 2003, 01:28 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by norahlee:
IdahoBetty -- the Hanoverian wants her person back. I don't see what you can do to get her attention, period.

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Nothing? This is going to break my heart...

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 01:48 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by baycheval:
Norahlee-

If you dont mind yet another inquiry:

1. Can you tell me where my gelding hurts?
2. I'm curious to know what my mare thinks about me and her work.
3. Can my filly tell you anything about what she may need (if anything)?

Thanks in advance http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

1. Right front fetlock. 2. It's fine. She's a little worried about hurting,but it's FUN to be around you. 3.More phosphorous.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 01:50 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by IdahoBetty:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by norahlee:
IdahoBetty -- the Hanoverian wants her person back. I don't see what you can do to get her attention, period.

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Nothing? This is going to break my heart...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sorry. I get an image of her looking over her shoulder whie you ride, looking ALL OVER for the 10-year-long person.

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OnyxThePony

Dec. 16, 2003, 01:50 PM

norahlee, I just wanted to thank you for 'playing'. For anyone who thinks norahleee is a charletan, or doing it for money, she's spending a LOT of time trying to help everyone out here.
Wether 'real' or not, isn't it a GOOD thing that (1) people's beliefs are different and (2)someone is willing to *try* to help people out, in any way they feel they can?
I once knew a lady who was so militant-ly Christian, she was kicked out of several help groups. But, it was the only way SHE knew to help.

As for hit/misses, who could say? I'd be blown over that my Onyx would 'shout' ANYthing, and if she doesn't realize that I treat all horses as the individuals they are, then she is NOT communicating!!
HOWever.. being a person who deals with predominatly one equine personality type, it is harder for me to get that 'connection' with another sort. For me, it comes when I'm standing right beside the animal. I think that kind of 'psychic communication' is what we ALL have the potential to realize. Like when your best friend and you have the same dream/same thought/same words etc. We all know for sure that THAT happens. I think it also happens with animals, you just get to know them so well, and if you 'open up', you WILL be able to 'read' them, ""psychic"" or not.

Neither Fear Nor Anger

ChelseaR

Dec. 16, 2003, 01:55 PM

This is very nice of you to spend this much time replying to everyone!

Maybe you could help me too but if you've had enough I understand!!!

I have a horse who has been quite explosive lately - I had the vet out and everything checked out fine and the saddle seems to fit... He doesn't seem upset - more too much oomph? any idea? has he been getting his turnout when he's supposed to?

vxf111

Dec. 16, 2003, 01:59 PM

<<vxf111 -- the first horse you mentioned , stoney, says that one next door neighbor is black and white. He looks toward the other one, chestnut with a blaze face. THIS is the friend.>>

Norahlee, thank you for the reading. Stoney has been in the same stall the entire time he's been at Little Creek. He *was* in between a gray quarab mare and a bay tb mare with a white ziggy blaze. Both those horses have left. He has now between a large bay gelding with a snall white snip and a honey bay mare with a diamond shaped star. We don't have a black and white horse in the entire, 60 stall barn!!! Not one! He's never had a chestnut next to him at Little Creek either. At the old barn, he was in between a chestnut with a thin white blaze and a solid bay. So.... there goes that. Maybe my horse is a skeptic too??? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I'd call that an official miss and I am off to greener pastures and other threads.

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~Veronica

"The Son Dee Times"
"Sustained"

mcmIV

Dec. 16, 2003, 02:09 PM

*Sigh*.... I was really rooting for norah on the color question from Veronica.... darnit.

I am not as skeptical as some... I think it's possible... but MOST IMPORTANTLY.... like most everyone agrees, I think anything that opens your mind to your horse's potential problems or fears is a good thing. In many cases an AC can at least act as a therapist between the partners. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I've talked to a couple people about Java, mostly out of curiosity and I didn't make any life changing decisions from the results. But it was interesting.

One AC I talked to had 4 *precise* locations of pain in his body... and despite my leading her to what I thought was his problem.. she INSISTED these four places were his problem.

I thought she was a fraud until I had him bonescanned and strangely enough, the scan showed hot on ONLY those 4 precise spots. Injecting one of them cleared up his mysterious problems.

Anyway.... I've been wanting to have Java done again out of curiosity as usual... It can only be helpful and at worst a waste of time.

Norah has been EXCEEDINGLY kind to spend this time with us, whether you believe her or not.

Thanks,

martha

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 02:13 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by ChelseaR:
This is very nice of you to spend this much time replying to everyone!

Maybe you could help me too but if you've had enough I understand!!!

I have a horse who has been quite explosive lately - I had the vet out and everything checked out fine and the saddle seems to fit... He doesn't seem upset - more too much oomph? any idea? has he been getting his turnout when he's supposed to?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Explosive horse is displaying his frustration at not getting through to you? Whoever his rider is. There's a REASON you posted on this thread, because it's communication that's the problem.

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CAJumper

Dec. 16, 2003, 02:16 PM

Thank you Norah! You are so kind to spend this much time answering all of our questions. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 02:16 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by vxf111:
<<vxf111 -- the first horse you mentioned , stoney, says that one next door neighbor is black and white. He looks toward the other one, chestnut with a blaze face. THIS is the friend.>>

Norahlee, thank you for the reading. Stoney has been in the same stall the entire time he's been at Little Creek. He *was* in between a gray quarab mare and a bay tb mare with a white ziggy blaze. Both those horses have left. He has now between a large bay gelding with a snall white snip and a honey bay mare with a diamond shaped star. We don't have a black and white horse in the entire, 60 stall barn!!! Not one! He's never had a chestnut next to him at Little Creek either. At the old barn, he was in between a chestnut with a thin white blaze and a solid bay. So.... there goes that. Maybe my horse is a skeptic too??? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I'd call that an official miss and I am off to greener pastures and other threads.

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~Veronica

"The Son Dee Times"
"Sustained"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe a gray (that's black and white hairs) and a bay with blaze is about as close to my reading of black and white and chestnut with blaze as a color-blind horse (they are, you know) can get.

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lovemyhorse

Dec. 16, 2003, 02:18 PM

norahlee,

Would you ask my boy if he likes the horses in the stalls next to him? Also, ask him if he has any requests of me?

thx!!

baycheval

Dec. 16, 2003, 02:21 PM

Thanks for the response...it was a fun idea to entertain. I have to admit that I was skeptical and still remain a skeptic. Your responses really dont fit my horses at all.

"1. Can you tell me where my gelding hurts?
2. I'm curious to know what my mare thinks about me and her work.
3. Can my filly tell you anything about what she may need (if anything)?"

"1. Right front fetlock. 2. It's fine. She's a little worried about hurting,but it's FUN to be around you. 3.More phosphorous."

My geldings hocks are his source of pain--I couldnt imagine him complaining about anything else. And if I imbalanced my filly's feed for more phosphorous she would be on a one way track to OCD-land.

Again, thanks for your time--it was fun to play http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

RoXyJK5

Dec. 16, 2003, 02:24 PM

Norahlee ~ Check your PT's!!!

Thanks in advance!!!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Jessica

*Where oh where could my horsie be???*

poniesrule

Dec. 16, 2003, 02:26 PM

Bay cheval, maybe your horse didn't think you were truthful in your questions!!!
Norah: Fleur was not nervous when I went to see her at her last owners (before I bought her)...What happened? Does she need anything from me?

Black & Tan

Dec. 16, 2003, 02:36 PM

norahlee - a couple of questions: do babies speak or are their young minds babble? At what age do they begin to communicate?

Also, what can you tell me about purchasing the buttermilk buckskin yearling filly, very small star?

deltawave - blanket is navy with burgundy trim, treat? hmmmmm ... stretching here but bran bars? and, dislike of XC (XC is cross country right) because she is a sprinter as opposed to marathoner and prefers shorter distances - starts off strong and peters off. Ok - how'd I do?

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 02:37 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by lovemyhorse:
norahlee,

Would you ask my boy if he likes the horses in the stalls next to him? Also, ask him if he has any requests of me?

thx!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

He likes EVERYBODY, but they're not his absolute favorites. To go to work in the morning.

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ChelseaR

Dec. 16, 2003, 02:42 PM

hmm
I'm not sure I understand (no kidding about the communication snafu huh?)

Anyhow I don't post much but this thread brough me out of lurking since I have almost gotten dumped my past few lessons.

We usually get on well so I'm not sure what the problem is... he always stops just short of dumping me though!!

So what is he mad about not getting through?
What can I do to communicate better?

He's been like this with my trainer too and we are the only ones who ride him.

Help?? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 02:44 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by poniesrule:
Bay cheval, maybe your horse didn't think you were truthful in your questions!!!
Norah: Fleur was not nervous when I went to see her at her last owners (before I bought her)...What happened? Does she need anything from me?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I stand by our (horses/ponies and me) answers.

Fleur has been nervous at new place. Horses are such creatures of habit, actually hidebound. Any horse will be nervous when adjusting. Be patient. She does need your patience. And some reassurance would help also. Put your head next to hers (you have to get her attentin first,that may be the hardest part; the POINT of putting your head there is to get their attention, but Fleur may well need more!!!), look her in the eye (making SURE yu have her attentin at this point) and tell her whatever you want her to know. You WILL have to repeat this; her attention is SO SCATTERED.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 02:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by ChelseaR:
hmm
I'm not sure I understand (no kidding about the communication snafu huh?)

Anyhow I don't post much but this thread brough me out of lurking since I have almost gotten dumped my past few lessons.

We usually get on well so I'm not sure what the problem is... he always stops just short of dumping me though!!

So what is he mad about not getting through?
What can I do to communicate better?

He's been like this with my trainer too and we are the only ones who ride him.

Help?? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Two things. Put your head close to him and communicate in whatever way you feel like what you want to tell him. And meditate when you ride. That's all.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 02:51 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Black & Tan:
norahlee - a couple of questions: do babies speak or are their young minds babble? At what age do they begin to communicate?

Also, what can you tell me about purchasing the buttermilk buckskin yearling filly, very small star?

deltawave - blanket is navy with burgundy trim, treat? hmmmmm ... stretching here but bran bars? and, dislike of XC (XC is cross country right) because she is a sprinter as opposed to marathoner and prefers shorter distances - starts off strong and peters off. Ok - how'd I do?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have to draw a blank here. I have no experience with either young people or young (before 4months) horses. The 4-month-olds were fine, their experience was limited, but they could articulate just as well. I doubt I could talk for their emotional maturity.

Buttermilk buckskin filly has no idea.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 02:53 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by norahlee:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Black & Tan:
norahlee - a couple of questions: do babies speak or are their young minds babble? At what age do they begin to communicate?

Also, what can you tell me about purchasing the buttermilk buckskin yearling filly, very small star?

deltawave - blanket is navy with burgundy trim, treat? hmmmmm ... stretching here but bran bars? and, dislike of XC (XC is cross country right) because she is a sprinter as opposed to marathoner and prefers shorter distances - starts off strong and peters off. Ok - how'd I do?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have to draw a blank here. I have no experience with either young people or young (before 4months) horses. The 4-month-olds were fine, their experience was limited, but they could say things that kind of made sense. VERRRRRRRY basic, though. Not the complexity you'll see in more mature horses. I couldn't type "older", because OFTEN they're JUST as IMMATURE.

Buttermilk buckskin filly has no idea.

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