horse psychics [Archive] - Page 2

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 04:14 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Black & Tan:
I would imagine so with very young horses. Their communication would be limited to mom and one idea alone - nursing.

Since many domestic animals have so many instincts left over from their wild days, how does this come into play with being domestic. For instance (and this is really gross) but why does my shepherd insist on eating poo? No one else's but his own.

Does the pain of riding come from being free? Do horses in general resent being domesticated? being made to jump? etc.?

Does Ordwell say why he cannot run?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Animals will ALWAYS be at least half wild. The poop-eating is a nutritional thing. apparently he doesn't get enough of the good things the first time around.

The horses resent being cooped up. The jumping can be either GREAT!!! because it's so much fun or AGONNNY because of a rider. The pain of feet,etc., is usually ignored because it's a constant. A rider only hurts them intermittently, so it's impossible to tune out. Jumping is BAD forthem, in general, just because the vast majority (consider ALL horses in the United States) are BADLY ridden.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 04:19 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Black & Tan:
I would imagine so with very young horses. Their communication would be limited to mom and one idea alone - nursing.

Since many domestic animals have so many instincts left over from their wild days, how does this come into play with being domestic. For instance (and this is really gross) but why does my shepherd insist on eating poo? No one else's but his own.

Does the pain of riding come from being free? Do horses in general resent being domesticated? being made to jump? etc.?

Does Ordwell say why he cannot run?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Does the pain of riding come from being free? If you mean because they're not free they hurt mentally? There is some truth to this.

Ordwell says he does not feel like running. And that's that

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Black & Tan

Dec. 16, 2003, 04:21 PM

Actually I never thought of the mental aspect of being confined but merely the physical discomfort of being ridden. Interesting point and some good food for thought.

OnyxThePony

Dec. 16, 2003, 04:28 PM

I just realized I never asked my own question!!
(if it's OK, I'd love to hear!) I ean, I pretty muchknow the answer, but would be surprised to hear soething different http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.
Could you please ask Onyx this specifically: "What is UP with the not going forward?" There is no way she would not understand that question specifically. I ask her all the time LOL

Neither Fear Nor Anger

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 04:28 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by RoXyJK5:
Looks like you're swamped with your PT's since u haven't gotten to mine yet so I'll just ask on the board...

What does my lil' guy think about his past. Meaning did he enjoy doing what he did before? And would trying something different bother him. Also how does he feel about me riding him? What can ya tell me about his past too. Like what he did and stuff like that. I would love to turn him hunter, but horses have their own likings too...

Jessica

*Where oh where could my horsie be???*<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your lil guy doees prefer the types of riding that hurt less. His background is similar to a lot of other horses -- owners, living in a pasture, only now and then riding.

He enjoyed MOST of what he did before. Especially the pasture.

horses do not care what is going to happen to them, because it never occurs to them that they MIGHT have any control. The exception is Kit's mare. Yurs does not prticularly care to be ridden. Your questions are so vague that this is it.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 04:34 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by OnyxThePony:
I just realized I never asked my own question!!
(if it's OK, I'd love to hear!) I ean, I pretty muchknow the answer, but would be surprised to hear soething different http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.
Could you please ask Onyx this specifically: "What is UP with the not going forward?" There is no way she would not understand that question specifically. I ask her all the time LOL

Neither Fear Nor Anger<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What's up with not going forward is that she knows this gets your attention, and she's got bunches to tell you. This mare is not misunderstood, she's not understood enough for her emotional well-being, she reports. I continue to get from her that you expect behavior without checking to see that that is what occurs (I know O&I used different words before); and, with her, it doesnot occur. This is a mature mare who actually cares about correct punctuation,all the others were actually rushing me to get the word out to you people; O (won't letme write what's not her name) is critical of every nuance here.

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geckoUBC

Dec. 16, 2003, 04:36 PM

OK, I guess I will ask my questions. I am somewhat skeptical but would be very interested in what you have to say.

I'm part-leasing a horse right now named Thriller. Does he like me riding him? Does he prefer his owner? Why does he like get quick after the jumps - is he sore somewhere?

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 04:39 PM

Aleesha -- the only thing Thriller has against you is that you're not his owner. He gets quick because that seemms like a logical way to get away from pain.

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lawgrl

Dec. 16, 2003, 04:40 PM

This thread has been very interesting.

Is there anything my horse would like to say?

If we manage, throughout our training to preserve both the gentleness and the gaiety of our horse we shall not, in the end, go very far amiss--Wynmalan

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 04:44 PM

Lawgrl, your horse has a lot to say. He loves you a lot, but wishes your riding were a LOT more fun. He can ride with you, he says, but you do not listen to him. Meditate on horseback to let him through.

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lawgrl

Dec. 16, 2003, 04:52 PM

Thank you. Of course, my take on it is that he is not listening to me.

Riding will get more fun when we start jumping (which I know he likes). Should be soon.

I do agree that meditating on horseback can be useful!

If we manage, throughout our training to preserve both the gentleness and the gaiety of our horse we shall not, in the end, go very far amiss--Wynmalan

geckoUBC

Dec. 16, 2003, 04:53 PM

Can you tell where he feels pain? Does he enjoy being ridden at all? Also, sorry to test you, but.. what colour is he?

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 04:57 PM

Who? You haven't given me enough. I DO have to compliment you on your questions. Specific enough to get useful answers.

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onelanerode

Dec. 16, 2003, 05:04 PM

Norahlee,
Thanks again for taking time to do this. I know I am not alone when I express my appreciation for your efforts in helping us become better horse people.
However, I think I'm still on the skeptic side of the fence, for several reasons.
1) You said the mare was eating only grass and I ought to give her grain. Well, I've never owned this mare; my trainer sold her almost three years ago, and I haven't seen her in a year, which I told you initially. My trainer had owned her for about 10 years, and she was an extremely easy keeper, getting about a cup of complete grain morning and evening, and still on the chubby side. When last I visited her (unannounced), she had just been fed, and she was getting PLENTY of grain. Both my trainer and I expressed concern that she was getting TOO MUCH grain and was overweight, not a good condition for an older horse.
2) You said she was a sweetie, and I'll definitely agree with you there. You also said she liked "the trotty thing," and that's true too. Definitely her favorite gait, though not her best.
If it's not too much to ask, is there anything else she wants to say to me, or are there any other horses who have something they want me to know?
Thanks again.

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Equine Geek

Dec. 16, 2003, 05:04 PM

Norahlee-
My OTTB Earl freaked and bolted this summer and threw two riders off in a week. He's a very sensitive guy and since this happened, he hasn't been the same horse. I addressed his pain issues with a new saddle, massage, and chiro. I've been using Rescue Remedy for his panic, but I still worry. Any ideas?
Thanks so much,
Dot

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 05:12 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by miss annie:
Norahlee,
Thanks again for taking time to do this. I know I am not alone when I express my appreciation for your efforts in helping us become better horse people.
However, I think I'm still on the skeptic side of the fence, for several reasons.
1) You said the mare was eating only grass and I ought to give her grain. Well, I've never owned this mare; my trainer sold her almost three years ago, and I haven't seen her in a year, which I told you initially. My trainer had owned her for about 10 years, and she was an extremely easy keeper, getting about a cup of complete grain morning and evening, and still on the chubby side. When last I visited her (unannounced), she had just been fed, and she was getting PLENTY of grain. Both my trainer and I expressed concern that she was getting TOO MUCH grain and was overweight, not a good condition for an older horse.
2) You said she was a sweetie, and I'll definitely agree with you there. You also said she liked "the trotty thing," and that's true too. Definitely her favorite gait, though not her best.
If it's not too much to ask, is there anything else she wants to say to me, or are there any other horses who have something they want me to know?
Thanks again.

_Be careful to whom you lend your shirt if you have a tendency to wear your heart upon your sleeve._<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Miss annie, heven't you ever known a hore to want more grain than was good for them? Almost a universal thing, I'd say. I passed this along as kind of a joke. I never dreamed you wouldn't get it.

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poniesrule

Dec. 16, 2003, 05:14 PM

wow Norah you just put Fleur into words for me!!!
She has been a bit scatter brain in the new place. Does she get enough turnout? Does she like to be with Matthew? Is it Matthew that worries her?

Katydid82

Dec. 16, 2003, 05:16 PM

You know, bottom line with this thread- whether you believe it or not, doesn't it make you want to go hang out with your horse for like 10 hours and just watch them? That's what I get at least..

That being said- whenever you have the time (no big rush- I'm here all week folks http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) I was wondering if you could get some info on my two horses: Kate and Annie.

Kate: Which supplement helped her better- the one she used to be on or the one she is on? How does she feel about this farm as opposed to the places she used to be at?

Annie: I just basically want to get a feel of her personality. Oh, and what does she think of her stall?

Thanks a bunch
Casey

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 05:17 PM

Note: I never said you OUGHT to give her more grain. I just passed along that she ASKED for more grain. This is a kind of a lesson in that I am a separate person from the horse answers. I try to make it obvious what are my recommendations; obviously I failed in this case.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 05:21 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by poniesrule:
wow Norah you just put Fleur into words for me!!!
She has been a bit scatter brain in the new place. Does she get enough turnout? Does she like to be with Matthew? Is it Matthew that worries her?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know, a horse will usually want more turnout unless there are friends in the barn. That said,she gets PLENTY for her energy level. That is not a problem. Neither is Matthew, although he can be an "excuse". It's just a patience thing. She doesn't worry as much as being in general anxious.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 05:26 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Katydid82:
You know, bottom line with this thread- whether you believe it or not, doesn't it make you want to go hang out with your horse for like 10 hours and just watch them? That's what I get at least..

That being said- whenever you have the time (no big rush- I'm here all week folks http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) I was wondering if you could get some info on my two horses: Kate and Annie.

Kate: Which supplement helped her better- the one she used to be on or the one she is on? How does she feel about this farm as opposed to the places she used to be at?

Annie: I just basically want to get a feel of her personality. Oh, and what does she think of her stall?

Thanks a bunch
Casey<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kate, the second supplement,definitely. She'd like you to talk to her; she KNOWS you can.This isby far the smartest horse I've talked on this board. Her places are all the same, she says, the diffeence is the PEOLE. YOU are her OWNER, she LOVES YOU.

The other one is kind of shy to me, I'm not being shown her personality. She's reticent. Kate, however,is jumping all over herself to show me pictures of herself,etc. etc. She says her stall is okay, and is baffled I ask. It's just a stal, after all. (I''m not sure she knows there are other kinds, that knowing is the basis for liking or disliking, knowing that there are options. Otherwise (we and they LOL)tend tojust accept what is without judging or accepting thepossbility of having an opinion.

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onelanerode

Dec. 16, 2003, 05:33 PM

Yeah Norahlee, I definitely missed the "joke" there http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif ... I assumed you were being serious. While I admit to being a little skeptical, I'm also concerned about the mare because she is older and I haven't seen her or had an update on her from my trainer lately. I guess I just don't joke around about the health of horses I really care about. Sorry. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 05:39 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by norahlee:
misss annie -- she's getting enough to eat, but only because she's eating grass (pout here). You COULD feed her more grain, you know. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is all I got from the horse. You only asked if she was getting enough to eat.

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Katydid82

Dec. 16, 2003, 05:50 PM

Thanks so much for being so quick in your reply!

Kate is definately MY horse (there aren't words for the type of bond she and I share) and she is very intelligent- you can see it in her eyes. I was interested in what you had to say about her supplements. Both were MSM/Flex/glucosamine things but the second one has chondroitin as well. It does seem to me that she feels better on the second one but was riding the fence. Heh.. it's cheaper too!

As for Annie, she's a baby (about 7 mos) so I can imagine someone popping in her head and asking questions would be rather confusing. Normally she's very outgoing and friendly (not pushy in your face, but baby-happy.. life is good, these people feed me!), so I'm chalking the shyness up to her being weirded out by something new.

If I could trouble you with one more question about Kate- what does she think about the type of work/riding she's doing at this farm as opposed to the other places she's been. Not looking for the discipline or anything, just whether or not she's challenged too little or too much, likes it, etc.

Thanks again!
Casey

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 05:58 PM

I think that's right about Annie. When I asked her a specific question, after a while, she asnswered it brightly and intelligently and not at all shyly. I was going to ask you what breed these are, they're SO SMART!!! You know, I don't really see an age difference in the quality of the answers. But then I tend to ask specific questions, not their life experiences or views upon things. Annie wasn't at all confused; she knew EXACTLY wht was going on, but was shy with a new person. Kate doesn't have any information on the riding thing; none of the horses I've talked with on this board have. They take what we do with themas a "given" and it never occurs to them tht anything could be different.

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deltawave

Dec. 16, 2003, 05:59 PM

Black & Tan, the blanket I had in mind is baby blue w/navy trim, but thanks anyhow! And she *does* like bran/granola bars, but peppermints are what she'll die for...then again, she'll eat BUTE out of my hand, the greedy thing! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Onyx, Gwen DOES have one that kind of has some purple in it (it's plaid) so what can I make of that? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

See what I mean? Two random guesses or whatever from people who (I'm assuming) don't claim any special skill, and depending on one's viewpoint you could say "nothing" or "wow, look, bran bars and purple in the blanket!" http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

As for the XC horse, your guesses are as good as mine as to why she suddenly became a stopper after many great seasons. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif A combination of pain at some point (she injured a hock in the pasture, but oddly STADIUM never bothered her, just XC, and the hock X-rays and scans fine), motherhood, and some bad experiences is the closest I can get. Actually, if I could get her over the first fence or two, she'd generally settle down and have a great time, so it wasn't a matter of "petering out".

That was fun, though! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

As MCMIV said, I think what is playing out here is a sort of "focus session" with an AC acting as a sort of therapist and allowing an owner to acknowledge and articulate their concerns about their horses. If, in doing so, the owner feels like their ideas are validated or their insight is clarified, then it's a good thing in my book! Can't we leave out the mysticism, though, and just trust our OWN intuitions??

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Katydid82

Dec. 16, 2003, 06:08 PM

Kate is a TB/Perch cross, Annie B is her baby (her daddy is a Belgian WB). I know Kate has siblings but have yet to find them. Again- thanks so much for the readings.

As for talking to Kate, there are times where I look at her and just know. I'll take the time to try and do that more often from now on.

Casey

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 06:12 PM

You two are special. The one thing I recommend is to clear you mind when you are with her. She's ABSOLUTELY skilled in communicating (and in EVERYTHING else, I might add) so you have to do NO WORKAT ALL in communicating with her. Just empty yur mind so she has somewhere to send you stuff.

People, this is it.

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Katydid82

Dec. 16, 2003, 06:20 PM

deltawave- I think the point is, no matter how you approach it (believer/ nonbeliever/ skeptic/ mystic/ treehugger/ rainforestburnerdowner (I'm stretching not pointing fingers)) the key is- will this benefit the horse? Anything that gets people to try an pay attention to their horse more is a good thing.. right?

So let people believe in what they want to believe in, in this case at least. When they start passing around chanting/ crystals/sacrificing an albino squirrel under a full moon in order to heal a broken leg, then we can get worked up.

Casey

deltawave

Dec. 16, 2003, 06:33 PM

Katydid, agreed! I just don't see why we have to assume some mystical communication is going on when (IMO) most of this "communication" is probably just a general sort of intuition. Hate to see people pay money for something they could probably do themselves (use intuition, not communicate with horses). I know Norahlee wasn't trying to rip anyone off, but there are plenty of people charging big bucks for this and plenty of folks with enough anxiety/guilt/concern for their horses (undoubtedly well founded and well-intentioned!) who are paying for...not much. (again IMO)

When debating these topics, I will usually lean towards a "devil's advocate" stance if only to point out as best I can the "other" viewpoint: that of a total nonbeliever. I'm FLOORED by how many people just accept that this kind of thing happens without proof. To me that is an indicator of how much people WANT to believe their beloved horses are sentient and complex individuals and how much they WANT to do good by their horses (as you said) and yes, this latter part is a good thing after all. I often say, though, that people are FAR more willing to accept the possibility of "magic" of some sort than to accept the possibility that some things are just un-knowable. Human nature, I guess. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It's also human nature, I think, (though IMO incorrect) to anthropomorphize and assume that animals have some complex system of values similar to our own. Much as I love horses and would agree that they have personality galore and are quite capable of forming attachments, where in evolution--which allows for NO frivolous or unnecessary embellishments in intellect or physical strength--would an ability to commune with other species fit in for a HORSE, whose purpose is to graze and reproduce? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Humans? Yes, with our ever-inquisitive brains we are programmed to seek, seek, seek the unknown (hence this topic) but I can't fathom a horse needing (and therefore possessing) this ability in the Grand Scheme of Things.

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rosijet

Dec. 16, 2003, 07:00 PM

norahlee - I had an AC talk to Rock many years ago with fantastic results (made a true believer out of a complete skeptic) It was in person so I'd like to try with you and compare if it's ok?

What does Rock think of his current living situation? Would he like to start showing again and if so, what discipline appeals to him? Does he have any specific pain issues to discuss? Was he cold Monday or am I being overprotective?

I also have Simon and Jett. Could you ask them if they have any pain issues? How do they feel about each other? What do they think about the dogs?

Thank you! You seem like a kind person and if you're ever in the Denver area, let me know!

"Crazy is just another point of view" Sonia Dada

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 07:05 PM

rosijet, I have trouble with your motivation. I will do ANYTHING I CAN to improve ANY horse's living situation. But I don't want to be an experiment.

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lovemyhorse

Dec. 16, 2003, 07:08 PM

quote:

Originally posted by lovemyhorse:
norahlee,

Would you ask my boy if he likes the horses in the stalls next to him? Also, ask him if he has any requests of me?

thx!!

He likes EVERYBODY, but they're not his absolute favorites. To go to work in the morning.[QUOTE]

norahlee, does he mean he would like to work in the morning?

Who is his favorite at the barn?

Will you ask him why the jolly ball scares him? He didn't used to be afraid of it.

Now, I am going to go practice. Good night.

rosijet

Dec. 16, 2003, 07:13 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by norahlee:
rosijet, I have trouble with your motivation. I will do ANYTHING I CAN to improve ANY horse's living situation. But I don't want to be an experiment.

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Didn't intend to come off that way. Just curious how he'd respond to someone else. The other two have never had a session and was curious as well. Do as you feel comfortable or not. Thanks

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Painted Joe

Dec. 16, 2003, 07:14 PM

norahlee - This thread caught my eye and although I have not read all of the posts, I gather you are an animal communicator. I would like to ask you a few questions about my horses.

On Skip - what is it with this food thing. He acts like every meal is his last and taking him away from food is like torture to him. He is fed very well I might add. Also does he really love Mr. KC and just tolerate me or is it an act?

On Imagine - Is she truly the queen and well she ever get along with Annie. Annie tries so hard to make friends with her, but it has always been on Imagine's terms. Also why does she seem to have a fear of gates?

On Annie - as she was an orphaned foal hence her name, well she ever be able to become independant? As sweet and loving as she is she gets separation anxiety easily. How can I help her get over it? Also why does she suck her tongue?

Finally Joe - a remarkable horse as I have been told by many. A horse that is beyond his years. He has an amazing work ethic for such a young horse. He had never refused to do something and infact really seems to like to work no matter what I want to do ( jump, go on a trail ride, do dressage, western - anything). Yet at times he gets jealous and acts childish if I am with Skip, Imagine or Annie and not with him. He calls to me and looks at me with a sad face. I do give him plenty of attention. Is this something he needs to deal with by himself? Also we have put off breeding Joe untill we though he was mature enough. Is he ready for this "new" job?

Member of the Western Clique, Quarter Horse Clique and Stallion Clique

Owner of and slave to a small herd - Indio Joe (Paint Stallion), Im A Skip (AppY Gelding), You Cant Imagine (QH mare), and Miss Orphanannie Two (QH mare)

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Added pics of my other three horses I had - Pahrump Playpoy, Cree's Tom Boy and Shuggy's Graceful Lady

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 07:18 PM

lovemyhorse, his request of you was for you to go to work in the morning. I was expecting you would understand it. His favorite is a big horse, they get to spend time together (I think in the pasture). The jolly ball is his friend. It hits him sometimes, and he can't tell what those times are going to be. (I think that it hit him in the face).
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lovemyhorse

Dec. 16, 2003, 07:24 PM

Thanks norahlee. Get some rest. Appreciate your posts http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 07:30 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Katom Cree:
norahlee - This thread caught my eye and although I have not read all of the posts, I gather you are an animal communicator. I would like to ask you a few questions about my horses.

On Skip - what is it with this food thing. He acts like every meal is his last and taking him away from food is like torture to him. He is fed very well I might add. Also does he really love Mr. KC and just tolerate me or is it an act?

On Imagine - Is she truly the queen and well she ever get along with Annie. Annie tries so hard to make friends with her, but it has always been on Imagine's terms. Also why does she seem to have a fear of gates?

On Annie - as she was an orphaned foal hence her name, well she ever be able to become independant? As sweet and loving as she is she gets separation anxiety easily. How can I help her get over it? Also why does she suck her tongue?

Finally Joe - a remarkable horse as I have been told by many. A horse that is beyond his years. He has an amazing work ethic for such a young horse. He had never refused to do something and infact really seems to like to work no matter what I want to do ( jump, go on a trail ride, do dressage, western - anything). Yet at times he gets jealous and acts childish if I am with Skip, Imagine or Annie and not with him. He calls to me and looks at me with a sad face. I do give him plenty of attention. Is this something he needs to deal with by himself? Also we have put off breeding Joe untill we though he was mature enough. Is he ready for this "new" job?

Member of the Western Clique, Quarter Horse Clique and Stallion Clique

Owner of and slave to a small herd - Indio Joe (Paint Stallion), Im A Skip (AppY Gelding), You Cant Imagine (QH mare), and Miss Orphanannie Two (QH mare)

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Added pics of my other three horses I had - Pahrump Playpoy, Cree's Tom Boy and Shuggy's Graceful Lady <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Skip fears that there won't be enough. He loves only one person. Others don't really matter. It's not a case of tolerating,but of not really exisitng for him. Imagine is higher in the pecking order; she does not have " friends" of Annie's caliberr. Kind of like the seventh graders don't hang with the fourth graders. Gates --I get a picture of one slamming on her in front of hte stifle, and getting kind of stuck there; not dangerous but terrifying. Annie doesn't know the answer to yur questions. She's anxious, in general; no mother to provide the security. Tongue thing -- it just happens, in her words. Baffled I'd ask about it. Joe -- watch out to overwork him. He's not "jealous," he sees you and wants you to go to im. Happens WHATEVER you're doing; is not because you're with another horse but because you're not with him. Has no concept of jealousy, but a STRONG concept of being lonely for you. You wrote you give him plenty of attention. He says, NO!!! Joe can deal with ANYTHING. He has that mature mental capacity.

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Katydid82

Dec. 16, 2003, 07:37 PM

Deltawave- at the risk of highjacking this thread, I've got to reply. I love a good, well thought out discussion. This is the first I've gotten to partake in on this board- thanks!

I agree with everything you've said, in terms of anthropomorphizing things. I'm sure we've all gagged when the resident self-professed nutto of the barn tells us that "Pookie" can't wear his blue blanket because those aren't the colors he likes to wear in December. I'm finding it really hard to come up with extreme for instances at the moment b/c for the most part the people at my barn are fairly sane.

But, I don't think a little anthropomorphizing is a bad thing. It shows that we love our horses enough to try and bring them up to our level in terms of intelligence/existence. Everything in moderation is the key.

As for the ability to communicate with one another and humans through thought, I guess it all depends on your cosmic view of the universe. God, angels, an all encompassing creator, little demigods with pan flutes... If you believe in that sort of thing, I don't think its a major leap to animal communication. Neither can be absolutely proved, you need faith, etc.

Now all that having been said- that was me playing devil's advocate. It really boils down to which camp you're in- the believable until proven wrong camp or the unbelievable until proven right camp. Oh, and the waffle depending on the sort of day you're having camp. That'd be me. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Casey

Painted Joe

Dec. 16, 2003, 07:50 PM

Thanks - For answering my questions.

I will try to let Skip know that he should never fear that I will not provide enough for him and I accept that he loves only one person.

In regard to Nutmeg and gates could this be the cause of her muscle tear on her right hip? It seem to happen only on that side. As far as the queen thing Annie will always as a peasant. Oh well.

For Annie I guess she need time to realize that she has nothing to be anxious about. I have had her almost two years, so I hope she is not anxious that I will sell her as I do not have plans to - she has had several owners.

And for Joe, well (hands up in air) I have will love him for what he is.

Again thanks.

Member of the Western Clique, Quarter Horse Clique and Stallion Clique

Owner of and slave to a small herd - Indio Joe (Paint Stallion), Im A Skip (AppY Gelding), You Cant Imagine (QH mare), and Miss Orphanannie Two (QH mare)

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OneonOne

Dec. 16, 2003, 07:51 PM

norahlee - I am amazed at your generosity on this thread! Thank you for some wonderful reading! I sent you an email - I would love to receive your manual when you get it put together. I have been working hard in the past year to develop my communication skills, and have recently taken a self muscle testing course.

Would you ask Uno if he would like to begin jumping again soon? Also, he has recently become very open to the spirits at my barn, which has been very scary for him. Would you ask him if his fears are more manageable - have I become a better leader in these situations?

Would you ask Pokey if he is ready to go begin more structured work?

Would you ask both of them if they have any messages for me?

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 08:13 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by rosijet:
norahlee - I had an AC talk to Rock many years ago with fantastic results (made a true believer out of a complete skeptic) It was in person so I'd like to try with you and compare if it's ok?

What does Rock think of his current living situation? Would he like to start showing again and if so, what discipline appeals to him? Does he have any specific pain issues to discuss? Was he cold Monday or am I being overprotective?

I also have Simon and Jett. Could you ask them if they have any pain issues? How do they feel about each other? What do they think about the dogs?

Thank you! You seem like a kind person and if you're ever in the Denver area, let me know!

"Crazy is just another point of view" Sonia Dada<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rock's current living situation is just fine with him because YOU ARE THERE. He's wonderful, by the way. I'd like to have him myself. As to different work, he likes jumping. It's FUN!!! It's more like the bucking with JOY in his heart he does in the pasture than ANY OTHER THING THERE IS. So there, he says. Showing -- ptuiii (that's a spit). Forever tired of that, he says. No good to people, who get ALL NERVOUS and are no fun any more, and for HORSES, who are abused horribly. Pain is something he's closed-lipped about. Not going to say ANYTHING about it; even sends me a picture of squeezed-shut lips to make sure I get it. BRIGHt horse. He's cold, all right. He says that horses generally don't discuss (with their owners) their pain issues OR their cold issues. It's just not productive. (sigh) Too bad. Simon and Jett. Are indignant that they're not being discussed individually. They are going tight-lipped now. Opinionated boys you have here. Your horses are clamming shut (I see an image of standing with arms folded across his chest).

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 08:16 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Poncha:
norahlee, my horse is pastured with two other geldings and is the lowest in the pecking order. I can't move him to another pasture, but am wondering how he feels about his situation. He's also starting to learn a new discipline with me, and I wondered if he is enjoying it or would prefer to stay a western horse? I like to try different things with him, and want us to have many adventures together. I wonder if he feels the same and enjoys our time together?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Poncha, your horse is terribly unhappy. He's being bossed around no end. He asks for you to get him a goat. He's too busy being friendless, horse-wise (or animal-wise, actually) to notice his training much. You need to address his terrible loneliness (which you know, or you wouldn't have started with that).

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 08:26 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Katom Cree:
Thanks - For answering my questions.

I will try to let Skip know that he should never fear that I will not provide enough for him and I accept that he loves only one person.

In regard to Nutmeg and gates could this be the cause of her muscle tear on her right hip? It seem to happen only on that side. As far as the queen thing Annie will always as a peasant. Oh well.

For Annie I guess she need time to realize that she has nothing to be anxious about. I have had her almost two years, so I hope she is not anxious that I will sell her as I do not have plans to - she has had several owners.

And for Joe, well (hands up in air) I have will love him for what he is.

Again thanks.

Member of the Western Clique, Quarter Horse Clique and Stallion Clique

Owner of and slave to a small herd - Indio Joe (Paint Stallion), Im A Skip (AppY Gelding), You Cant Imagine (QH mare), and Miss Orphanannie Two (QH mare)

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For Skip -- very good that you'll try to let him know that there will be enough. He fears this. And he says that he only loves one person AT A TIME. But that you are good. He accepts that. Nutmeg and gates -- could be. The horse doesn't relate them, but I see that they are close in time. The horse would be too busy being terrorized by the gate to notice, for a while, that there was tear in hip. And I think Annie WILL grow up to be a queenly presence i her own right. It really is like 7th graders not hanging with kindergartners. Annie does not have any fears of you doing ANYTHING bad (she says, worriedly, OH, NO!!!) but lacked the security of growing up with a mother. Makes a HUGE difference. I was reading a few weeks ago abaout monkeys raised with no mothers. They were VERY anxious and had very stunted social skills. Those monkeys who had a terrycloth "mother" (a piece of cloth attached to the side of the cage) were quite well-adjusted. Annie has the social skills, but not the basic secure feeling that someone would always be there to take care of her. Her anxiety is not that a particular bad thing will happen, it's just a lack of security.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 08:33 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by OneonOne:
norahlee - I am amazed at your generosity on this thread! Thank you for some wonderful reading! I sent you an email - I would love to receive your manual when you get it put together. I have been working hard in the past year to develop my communication skills, and have recently taken a self muscle testing course.

Would you ask Uno if he would like to begin jumping again soon? Also, he has recently become very open to the spirits at my barn, which has been very scary for him. Would you ask him if his fears are more manageable - have I become a better leader in these situations?

Would you ask Pokey if he is ready to go begin more structured work?

Would you ask both of them if they have any messages for me?

Thank you! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OneonOne -- he says YESYESYESYES and sends me pictures of whirling around on his hind legs!!! He actually says that I have become a leader for him. I notice them (which he had never done before) and have have done so for YEARS. I know how to tell him to deal with them, and he has ALREADY assimilated that info. He, just like me with llamas, wanted to know how they were. That's all.

Pokey says, huh? Not that he doesn't know what structured work IS (he's highly indignant that anyone would think THAT of im) but, like every horse I've talked to in this board, would like to know what business it is of his what you do in your riding. It's your business. End of story.

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fullmoon fever

Dec. 16, 2003, 08:44 PM

norahlee - I hope this isn't draining you!

I would dearly love to know some things about my young stallion; ie, what does he want to do as far as u/s work?

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Kit

Dec. 16, 2003, 08:46 PM

Norahlee, just checking in again. Thanks for your answers - I know you weren't implying that I neglected my horses, honest. I'm the only one around here who can catch my gelding so Iknow he loves me as I do him. Just wanted to let other people know that it's only my company he's lacking at the moment. But ohhh! isn't it lovely to know that our horses think we're a-okay! You've been very busy - thanks for your kindness in answering us.

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 08:47 PM

fullmoon fever -- it's interesting that while it WAS draining this morning, I've adjusted my technique so that I do less of the projecting toward horses and let them do more. Our thoughts DO have to meet, but they can come to me. I've been doing that most of today. I actually find it energizing. This horse wants to do jumping. End of story.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 08:49 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Kit:
Norahlee, just checking in again. Thanks for your answers - I know you weren't implying that I neglected my horses, honest. I'm the only one around here who can catch my gelding so Iknow he loves me as I do him. Just wanted to let other people know that it's only my company he's lacking at the moment. But ohhh! isn't it lovely to know that our horses think we're a-okay! You've been very busy - thanks for your kindness in answering us.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Shoot, not only do they think we're okay, we're "the sun, moon, and stars all together as compared with a lowly piece of grass" as one horse put it. Wow!!!

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Medievalist

Dec. 16, 2003, 08:53 PM

Hi Norahlee! What can you tell me about Didi? Does he like his current situation? Is he happy? Is he sore anywhere? Does he miss our lessons or is he glad for the break?
Thanks!!!

GRE finished! Now must finish the applications.
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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 09:05 PM

Medievalist -- (btw, do you do re-enactments?) (Or get Museum Reproductions catalog and buy pretty dresses?) (oh, I know! Jousting!) (too bad. No pretty dresses.) He LOVES his current situation; he gets to be WITH YOU (see previous post). He's not talking about soreness (another tight-lipped guy). And lessons are HORRIBLE! It's not time with you, you're spending all your time paying attention to the trainer. Wistful...

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fullmoon fever

Dec. 16, 2003, 09:10 PM

norahlee - Thank you. I really thought that was what he wanted to do. Could you tell me how he feels about me, what frightens him, etc. How he feels about his current work situation. Thank you for your kindness.

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caryledee

Dec. 16, 2003, 09:12 PM

Norahlee--Could you please tell me if Daryl enjoys his retirement, or would he rather still be jumping and showing?

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 09:14 PM

Caryledee -- he LIKES his retirement. Jumping was getting to be too much of a pain (literally).

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 09:18 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by fullmoon fever:
norahlee - Thank you. I really thought that was what he wanted to do. Could you tell me how he feels about me, what frightens him, etc. How he feels about his current work situation. Thank you for your kindness.

_Founder of the Olde Farte Clique; Member of the Dented Thigh Clique_ http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
_If it ain't tack shopping, it's a waste of time and money._<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
fullmoon fever, he was very definite. He LOVES you. You are his human, how could he not? (genuine bafflement) HIs current situation is FINE. He proudly (bragging, actually, very much) stands up and says IT DOESN'T HURT!!!!!

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caryledee

Dec. 16, 2003, 09:19 PM

Thank you! I thought so! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Could you tell me if Amanda blames me at all for sending her to The Bad Place? Did she know I would be back for her?

nhwr

Dec. 16, 2003, 09:22 PM

can you tell me about Dorina and Mardi Gras? They both seem happy enough but I am curious. I have made a lot of changes in Dorina's work routine. Does she like it, is there anything more I can do?

fullmoon fever

Dec. 16, 2003, 09:26 PM

norahlee - Thank you. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I always thought he loved me, now I am sure....and I guess he'll be my jumping star. I was hoping he might like to event, hmmmmm, two kinds of jumping....maybe he'll "suffer" through the dressage if he gets two kinds of jumping. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

As a general question (and I apologize if it's been asked, I didn't read all the posts), how do animals feel about their names? Would my horse care if I changed his registered name (which I detest)?

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Rocky XVI

Dec. 16, 2003, 09:26 PM

norahlee, it's not working for me. I tried to empty my thoughts and let his thoughts come to me, but I'm not getting anything more than what I already knew about him, most of which I think is coming from MY head, not his.

I can't help him if I don't understand him. I sold him to someone else because I couldn't figure him out. Why is he so difficult sometimes, like with the blacksmith or with trailers? I always got the impression that he just wanted to be left alone. Is he really my soulmate, or does he just need me to get to his soulmate?

~posting my way from working hunter to grand prix~

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 09:26 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by caryledee:
Thank you! I thought so! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Could you tell me if Amanda blames me at all for sending her to The Bad Place? Did she know I would be back for her?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amanda, like all horses I've talked to, do not relate their people to where they end up. They do not think you do it. They are pretty sure it just happens.

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caryledee

Dec. 16, 2003, 09:30 PM

Again, thank you...could you tell me if Amanda is in pain now, or is she comfortable? Does she want to have another foal?

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 09:31 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by nhwr:
can you tell me about Dorina and Mardi Gras? They both seem happy enough but I am curious. I have made a lot of changes in Dorina's work routine. Does she like it, is there anything more I can do?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Dorina's okay. She doesn't like it; anything new scares her, like with most horses. They get nervous not knowing what will be next. It's only the CHANGES that annoy her. Not the work. If you are confident that she's better off in the new routine, you can stay in that and just wait for her to get used to it.

Mardi Gras has nothing to do. He feels let off the hook!!! (this is becasue you didn't ask anything about him)

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[This message was edited by norahlee on Dec. 17, 2003 at 12:49 AM.]

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 09:36 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by fullmoon fever:
norahlee - Thank you. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I always thought he loved me, now I am sure....and I guess he'll be my jumping star. I was hoping he might like to event, hmmmmm, two kinds of jumping....maybe he'll "suffer" through the dressage if he gets two kinds of jumping. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

As a general question (and I apologize if it's been asked, I didn't read all the posts), how do animals feel about their names? Would my horse care if I changed his registered name (which I detest)?

_Founder of the Olde Farte Clique; Member of the Dented Thigh Clique_ http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
_If it ain't tack shopping, it's a waste of time and money._<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I don't know about jumping star. Willingness to start doesn't always match talent. I don't think he'll care for eventing. It seems too draining mentally for him. Maybe hunters?

Names have been addressed. They have soul names, which we get close to when we give them their names. If you hate his registered name, you probably know what he SHOULD be called. This "soul name" is what he's been called all his soul life; he's used to it and doesn't respond properly to anything else.

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[This message was edited by norahlee on Dec. 17, 2003 at 12:44 AM.]

nhwr

Dec. 16, 2003, 09:37 PM

He isn't the problem child, lol. I am really proud of him! I hope he knows that. He is doing so well. He has a special spot is my heart because of his mom, his dad and himself.

Dorina is more complicated. She seems much happier with the new situation. I know she wasn't happy before and I feel bad about it. I just want things to be right for her. She is such a wonderful horse. She doesn't show that to the world all the time though.

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 09:39 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by elsa:
norahlee, it's not working for me. I tried to empty my thoughts and let his thoughts come to me, but I'm not getting anything more than what I already knew about him, most of which I think is coming from MY head, not his.

I can't help him if I don't understand him. I sold him to someone else because I couldn't figure him out. Why is he so difficult sometimes, like with the blacksmith or with trailers? I always got the impression that he just wanted to be left alone. Is he really my soulmate, or does he just need me to get to his soulmate?

~posting my way from working hunter to grand prix~<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You've just started. It's VERY DIFFICULT for Americans to learn to empty our minds. It takes most people months. You've only tried it, what, once? It takes longer than that. And even if you DID get your mind empty, maybe he wasn't in a mood to transmit. He's tired. He's been talking to me and is WORN OUT in that respect. It's not going to happen too fast. I've been working on it for thirty years. More, actually. And the orse is MEANT to be yours. You can't forget him, can you? That's a pretty good sign. And the horses that are supposed to be with us will be a little bit beyond our ability, so we get better.

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[This message was edited by norahlee on Dec. 17, 2003 at 12:55 AM.]

fullmoon fever

Dec. 16, 2003, 09:43 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by norahlee:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by fullmoon fever:
norahlee - Thank you. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I always thought he loved me, now I am sure....and I guess he'll be my jumping star. I was hoping he might like to event, hmmmmm, two kinds of jumping....maybe he'll "suffer" through the dressage if he gets two kinds of jumping. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

As a general question (and I apologize if it's been asked, I didn't read all the posts), how do animals feel about their names? Would my horse care if I changed his registered name (which I detest)?

_Founder of the Olde Farte Clique; Member of the Dented Thigh Clique_ http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
_If it ain't tack shopping, it's a waste of time and money._<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I don't know about jumping star. Willingness to start doesn't always match talent. I don't think he'll care for eventing. It seems to draining mentally for him. Maybe hunters?

Hmmmm, I'll have to get back to you when I am riding him more; he's free-jumping 4'6" and LOVING it. He has done 3'6" u/s, but not with me. He might want to be a hunter, but I doubt the judges would appreciate him...Appaloosa.

Names have been addressed. They have soul names, which we get close to when we give them their names. If you hate his registered name, you probably know what he SHOULD be called. This "soul name" is what he's been called all his soul life; he's used to it and doesn't respond properly to anything else.

LOL....he doesn't respond properly to anyONE else, let alone his name. This is one of the reasons why I take so much time naming my foals; I feel that if an animal is to be "labelled", we need to get it right. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 09:43 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by caryledee:
Again, thank you...could you tell me if Amanda is in pain now, or is she comfortable? Does she want to have another foal?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Amanda's not doing so well. If you canget her back, I think you should.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 09:46 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by nhwr:
He isn't the problem child, lol. I am really proud of him! I hope he knows that. He is doing so well. He has a special spot is my heart because of his mom, his dad and himself.

Dorina is more complicated. She seems much happier with the new situation. I know she wasn't happy before and I feel bad about it. I just want things to be right for her. She is such a wonderful horse. She doesn't show that to the world all the time though.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>But she'll show it to you, if love and a genuine desire to communicate are there, coupled, of course, with a quiet enough mind that the horses can come through. Our thoughts are too loud to hear the horses over.

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nhwr

Dec. 16, 2003, 09:47 PM

Does Dorina still want to go back?

caryledee

Dec. 16, 2003, 09:56 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by norahlee:
Amanda's not doing so well. If you canget her back, I think you should.

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She is home now, but she has had a hard life up until now and I do worry about the amount of pain she is in day to day.

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 09:58 PM

nhwr -- Dorina doesn't think it's her business to say. You, after all, are the trainer. And by the time you get around to changing, she'll probably be more used to the "new" routine anyway, so she'll have something different AGAIN.

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 10:02 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by caryledee:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by norahlee:
Amanda's not doing so well. If you canget her back, I think you should.

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She is home now, but she has had a hard life up until now and I do worry about the amount of pain she is in day to day.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>If I were there with her, I could point out definite spots and show you chiropractic/massage/exercises for her. But I'm stumped from here. I DO know she's not doing so well, and from what you said about sending her *you know where* I ASSUMED she wasn't with you.

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nhwr

Dec. 16, 2003, 10:03 PM

OK, Thank you, norahlee. Don't wear yourself out here.

Good night http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

caryledee

Dec. 16, 2003, 10:12 PM

Sorry for the misunderstanding...I wasn't too clear on that.
One last question...does one of my horses clearly "belong" to me, like my soul mate...Daryl, Amanda, or Grantham?

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 10:14 PM

Caryledee -- there is one horse "soul" assigned to you for this lifetime. They will have to have different bodies, because we sell them, they get old, things like that. You may have one of those with you or not.

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caryledee

Dec. 16, 2003, 10:19 PM

Norahlee--You are very kind to have stayed on so long and answered so many questions. I appreciate it! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

fullmoon fever

Dec. 16, 2003, 10:28 PM

norahlee - Do you find it difficult to "sort" through large numbers of horses owned by one person?

Also, could you tell me if my recently acquired mare feels like she is fitting in? She is very messy in her stall and I almost think that's the reason she was sold. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

P.S. - Thank you for your help & kindness.

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Kit

Dec. 16, 2003, 10:45 PM

Norahlee, just reading back a bit. You said my mare is an exception in that she does care what happens to her. She was bred on a stud farm where if a mare was old and uncomfortable, she would be put down on the property very humanely, but there has never been any cruelness in her life at all. She's been with me on a farm most of her life. And my family all adore her and they're non horsey. Is she feeling any better since I have talked to her? I don't want her worrying her way through life. She takes most things in her stride but has always seemed a little reserved although I know she is attached and happy in my company. I was told by the American horse phsycic that I shouldn't buy her because her hock would break down - that's always been in the back of my mind but she seems fine except for one small incident and she seems fine now.

nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 10:45 PM

Fullmoon fever: No; I'm already "pointed" to the right one by the person asking me to do the communication. Your mare doesn't feel very well liked, she feels like an outsider. The messiness could be a sign of her unhappiness; that would make her pace, etc., instead of lying down quietly and contentedly (I see a big sigh here) for the *night or whatever time period they are in for.* I don't know if she'll EVER be neat, just don't have information on that. She's unhappy, I'd address that. Give her things to do, try to put her in one-on-one situations with whoever seems to best accept her. Good luck. This filly is ANXIOUS!!!

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nightsong

Dec. 16, 2003, 10:52 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Kit:
Norahlee, just reading back a bit. You said my mare is an exception in that she does care what happens to her. She was bred on a stud farm where if a mare was old and uncomfortable, she would be put down on the property very humanely, but there has never been any cruelness in her life at all. She's been with me on a farm most of her life. And my family all adore her and they're non horsey. Is she feeling any better since I have talked to her? I don't want her worrying her way through life. She takes most things in her stride but has always seemed a little reserved although I know she is attached and happy in my company. I was told by the American horse phsycic that I shouldn't buy her because her hock would break down - that's always been in the back of my mind but she seems fine except for one small incident and she seems fine now.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It's true that other horses seem to accept what happens without thinking about the future, I didn't mean to say that they "don't care." Your filly just was (and yes, you did an EXTREMELY good job of calming her fears) afraid of going to the knackers for being a poor riding horse. I don't see ANY cruelness in her life, but, you know, horses "talk" to each other. And they don't always get it right!!! She is happy now, you laid her only terrible fear to rest. Although she still may have an idea that if she becomes a REALLY terrible riding horse, it may happen. I get mystified as much as the next person. Maybe more!!!

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Miller

Dec. 16, 2003, 10:59 PM

norahlee, If I may, I'd love ask a question or two about my boy?

Is he happy with everything? Does he like his job? I love him so much.

Kit

Dec. 16, 2003, 11:08 PM

Oh thanks so much for that. I have told her more than once! I told her again today that if anything happened to her she would become a broodmare and she LOVES foals. She is an amazing wee horse to ride - am just starting. She moves beautifully and has won many ribbons in hand. You're a wonderful person for sharing yourself with us! THANK YOU http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

dressager

Dec. 17, 2003, 03:03 AM

First of all, I want to say I was amazed at what Norah said about my friend's gelding- about him being afraid of being slaughtered.

First of all, it is a VERY little known fact (a FEW people at our barn knew, the trainer, and vet- all of whom are 6000 + miles away) that he was close to being put down last spring because of the accident. They didn't know if he would be sound. The idea was bantered about in Sept. and the owner has just now started him back. Her details on my horse were scary... yes, some of it was "general"- to you- but if you KNEW this horse... I actually have three others that live in the United States as well.

My horse... the talkative one.

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His stall- what can I do to make him more comfortable in there? What would make him the happiest there?

Do the grooms treat him okay? Does anyone abuse him? Does he get turned out daily?

Any likes/dislikes he wants me to know about? What about my riding?

Finally, what about the other horses at the barn? Why does he <seemingly> prefer humans over horses?

Dressager (http://www.geocities.com/lubenkafarm)
You don't throw a whole life away just because its a little banged up - Tom Smith

cj30080

Dec. 17, 2003, 05:18 AM

Good morning, Norahlee. I hope you got some rest. You are so kind to answer these questions.

Feature: How does he feel about being ridden? Is he being blanketed inside and outside as he needs? Or, are we allowing him to get cold?

Fancy: Any dislikes or likes she would like to tell me about? I'm not sure she is happy. Is there anything different I can do in my riding of her?

Thank you.

JDufort

Dec. 17, 2003, 05:19 AM

Norahlee
thanks for your help with Opie and Cody.
could you check if my two other horses have anything to say to me?

Jeanne
eventing - what a great sport!

lovemyhorse

Dec. 17, 2003, 05:26 AM

Good morning norahlee. I practiced yesterday evening emptying my mind of thoughts; man, sure takes time to develop this! Ha, everytime I thought it was empty, POP, another one wafted in! I see in a previous post to someone else you advised it does take time; doesn't happen over night. Good to know; I will continue working on this.

I have a couple of more requests. Would you find out if there is anyone at the barn that he does not like or anyone who treats him unfairly?

Also, does he miss anyone-human or animal?

Thanks!

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 06:28 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by lostin alabama:
norahlee, If I may, I'd love ask a question or two about my boy?

Is he happy with everything? Does he like his job? I love him so much.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

He's happy with YOU. That said, there are some issues. He gets cold, he doesn't like riding as much as he would otherwise because of front fetlock soreness. Living situation is okay, but would like more time outside with FRIENDS. LOVES those horses.

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nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 06:32 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Kit:
Oh thanks so much for that. I have told her more than once! I told her again today that if anything happened to her she would become a broodmare and she LOVES foals. She is an amazing wee horse to ride - am just starting. She moves beautifully and has won many ribbons in hand. You're a wonderful person for sharing yourself with us! THANK YOU http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Kit -- you're doing WELL with your filly. I think there may be a real issue with the hock because she DOES have it in the back of her mind that it's going to go. That, combined with what she knew of RIDING HORSES going to the knacker's, put the fear into her head. You, however, have told her that, if and when the hock ends her riding career (or this is as she INTERPRETED your talk, you communicate VERY WELL, by the way) she'll be a broodmare. You don't know what GOOD NEWS this is!! THIS is what laid her fears at rest. The knowledge tha there will be life beyond riding horse. That is all.

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equinelaundry

Dec. 17, 2003, 06:35 AM

Norahlee,

If I asked you about my 4 they'd talk your ear off!!

May I ask about the neglected miniature horse I have been working for? His name is Ringo, he's a black-bay. He has suffered from chronic founder & hooves that USED to be 10-14" long. I've done a couple drive-by visits but he's no where to be found - I've only seen the goat. I am worried about him - any insight?

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 06:42 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by dressager:
First of all, I want to say I was amazed at what Norah said about my friend's gelding- about him being afraid of being slaughtered.

First of all, it is a VERY little known fact (a FEW people at our barn knew, the trainer, and vet- all of whom are 6000 + miles away) that he was close to being put down last spring because of the accident. They didn't know if he would be sound. The idea was bantered about in Sept. and the owner has just now started him back. Her details on my horse were scary... yes, some of it was "general"- to you- but if you KNEW this horse... I actually have three others that live in the United States as well.

My horse... the talkative one.

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

His stall- what can I do to make him more comfortable in there? What would make him the happiest there?

Do the grooms treat him okay? Does anyone abuse him? Does he get turned out daily?

Any likes/dislikes he wants me to know about? What about my riding?

Finally, what about the other horses at the barn? Why does he <seemingly> prefer humans over horses?

http://www.geocities.com/lubenkafarm
_You don't throw a whole life away just because its a little banged up - Tom Smith_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>His stall -- it's pretty good, but he would like a BIT more bedding, if you don't really mind (uncomfortable asking for this, but you DID ask him) There is one BAD GROOM!!!! Hurts your horse when no one is looking (this "hurt" consists of poking him in the side (to get him to move over), but your horse is VERY PICKY). He doesn't understand "daily" but gets turned out lots, but wants MORE!!! MUCH MORE!! (note: they usually want 24 hour turnout) About your riding (I'm sorry, but the book he wants me to write is too much for this forum, the basic is that you HURT HIM TOO MUCH -- this horse doesn't like any but the lightest aids) And the horses at the barn (OTHER horses? What, y ou think HE's a horse??) are fine (This *animal* actually thinks that horses are beneath him!!!) I hope you can "read betwen the lines" here and see that, although your horse is indignant at a lot of stuff, he's getting FINE care.

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Rocky XVI

Dec. 17, 2003, 06:46 AM

As you can probably tell, norahlee, I am the product of our society - I want immediate results, and I want them yesterday! Sigh, I will keep trying with the gelding.

This topic has prompted me to wonder about some of the other horse friends who have passed through my life. I wonder how they are. Can you get any readings from them for me? Our first horse, Chance, a tb; the one I used to ride, Jewel, a qh; and one that we recently sold, Miss Boo, a qh/draft cross. I guess I just want to ask each of them if their new owners are good to them, and if they are content.

Thanks, norahlee.

~posting my way from working hunter to grand prix~

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 06:54 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by cj30080:
Good morning, Norahlee. I hope you got some rest. You are so kind to answer these questions.

Feature: How does he feel about being ridden? Is he being blanketed inside and outside as he needs? Or, are we allowing him to get cold?

Fancy: Any dislikes or likes she would like to tell me about? I'm not sure she is happy. Is there anything different I can do in my riding of her?

Thank you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Feature is okay. Not real comment on the riding (I've learned that this means that it hurts, but they're n ot talking because they think it won't do any good) (I think saddle -- tree too narrow? Points digginto his shoulders? Yes, I DO get t hat. Horse is amazed anyone CARES about his saddle fit) , but DEFINITE comment onthe cold. He IS!!!!! Wants BIG FLUFFY blankets, not those cold, flimsy things (image of him spitting on them and kicking them away). Fancy is happy!!! to talk to me. Otherwise she is shy and withdrawn because she thinks you, her baby person, don't care. Spend some time reassuring her. You must be REALLY tuned into your horses, because you asked about EXACTLY what was bothering them. Now, TRUST your instincts. That is all.

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nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 07:01 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by JDufort:
Norahlee
thanks for your help with Opie and Cody.
could you check if my two other horses have anything to say to me?

Jeanne
eventing - what a great sport!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I believe I initially misdiagnosed Opie by inferring apathy, and thus depression. I stand by my second post on him. And Cody certainly had something to say on that. The other two horses -- I'm too tired to do the probing and back-and-forth that your general question would require. Could you give us, at least, some general subjects?

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nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 07:10 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by lovemyhorse:
Good morning norahlee. I practiced yesterday evening emptying my mind of thoughts; man, sure takes time to develop this! Ha, everytime I thought it was empty, POP, another one wafted in! I see in a previous post to someone else you advised it does take time; doesn't happen over night. Good to know; I will continue working on this.

I have a couple of more requests. Would you find out if there is anyone at the barn that he does not like or anyone who treats him unfairly?

Also, does he miss anyone-human or animal?

Thanks!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That's exactly how it goes, You get your mind empty, then another thought appears. There are actually TWO skills, getting rid of them (pretty easy, you've obviously already mastered that one) and getting to a state where no more appear. THAT's the hard part. There is one obnoxious (boarder? he doesn't know the distinctions) loud, crabby woman that he doesn't like. I think that he's picking up a lot of this not-liking-to-be-around-her from you, and really couldn't care less himself. He completely ignores the people, the horses are his baby buddies.

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nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 07:14 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by equinelaundry:
Norahlee,

If I asked you about my 4 they'd talk your ear off!!

May I ask about the neglected miniature horse I have been working for? His name is Ringo, he's a black-bay. He has suffered from chronic founder & hooves that USED to be 10-14" long. I've done a couple drive-by visits but he's no where to be found - I've only seen the goat. I am worried about him - any insight?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ringo -- is baffled you'd ask. He just is. Doesn't comprehend differences between now and then. Is this a really dim animal? I barely get anything, like a very weak transmission.

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Painted Joe

Dec. 17, 2003, 07:18 AM

Good morning norahlee. Like others have posted, I want to thank you so much for you insight. Many time I have tried to "connect" with my horses, but I have only felt a closeness really to one and just affection, if that is the right word, from the others. I do care for them deeply and often think of them like my children since right now I do not have any. I have though about what you said and I hope you do not mind if I ask few more questions.

Would Annie be happier and more relaxed if I started to ride her again. I have not able to due to her getting cast in her stall one night ( happened about four months ago) and injuring her back. Is she ready to got back to work again? If so what would she like to do? Will that help her mentally?

I did have another mare, Grace, and sold her to a good home. Is she happy there? Does she miss me? Does she think bad of me for selling her?

And in general do the four I have now like having me for their "mother/owner/slave" or does any one of them feel that I am only a temporary owner?

Member of the Western Clique, Quarter Horse Clique and Stallion Clique

Owner of and slave to a small herd - Indio Joe (Paint Stallion), Im A Skip (AppY Gelding), You Cant Imagine (QH mare), and Miss Orphanannie Two (QH mare)

http://community.webshots.com/user/katomcree

Added pics of my other three horses I had - Pahrump Playpoy, Cree's Tom Boy and Shuggy's Graceful Lady

dressager

Dec. 17, 2003, 07:24 AM

Norah, I just have to say that your entire post makes sense. I was a non-believer before this thread, but believe me, you're either living in my barn and talking to my trainer, or you are really good! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

My absolute personal recommendation would be a PayPal account for you.

To everyone else- If you were there for my lessons you would hear "leg quiet" and "quiet down". I tend to be right on in my lessons, but was busy last night.

The horse, you can tell from just looking at him (and believe me, Norah has NOT, to my knowledge, been to my barn) has an attitude... but I had NO idea he thought they were under him.

Dressager (http://www.geocities.com/lubenkafarm)
You don't throw a whole life away just because its a little banged up - Tom Smith

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 07:24 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by elsa:
As you can probably tell, norahlee, I am the product of our society - I want immediate results, and I want them yesterday! Sigh, I will keep trying with the gelding.

This topic has prompted me to wonder about some of the other horse friends who have passed through my life. I wonder how they are. Can you get any readings from them for me? Our first horse, Chance, a tb; the one I used to ride, Jewel, a qh; and one that we recently sold, Miss Boo, a qh/draft cross. I guess I just want to ask each of them if their new owners are good to them, and if they are content.

Thanks, norahlee.

~posting my way from working hunter to grand prix~<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Chance is sad without you. That's all he'll tell me, he tells me (impatient with my stupidity) that nothing else could possibly be important. Jewel says it's okay you don't ride her (apparently it hurt, saddle, I'm pretty sure, toward the back, sore loins, wants to talk on and on about this, must be current issue. That's it!!! she wants you (don't know how practical it is, but neither does the horse/pony) to tell the new rider. Wow!! She's HAPPY someone cares!!! She thought ALL owners were oblivious about saddle fit and it did no good to tell them and (God, this is a talker!!!!) Please tell her new (owner/rider/caretaker) to pay a bit more attention to her. This mare is LONELY!!! And the d rat cross is just patient. Interesting. Miss Boo says it is a "drat" cross; she's VERY unhappy with her breeding. She's just not as quick on the uptake as the hotter blooded horses, and feels like the dunce of the barn. They all have much more to say.

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cj30080

Dec. 17, 2003, 07:24 AM

Thank you, Norahlee.

Feature's rainproof sheet failed over the weekend. I was afraid he had gotten cold. A new one has been ordered and will be here Friday.

I've disappointed in my riding with Fancy and it sounds like she thinks I don't like her. I'll make sure to tell her over and over again that it isn't true.

Interesting that neither seem to like the fit of my dressage saddle. You indicated that both complained of pinching and points. I guess I'll ride in the all purpose saddle for awhile.

Thank you.

equinelaundry

Dec. 17, 2003, 07:27 AM

Ringo hasn't had a good life - he's never received vet care, professional farrier care, had his teeth checked, etc. All the things that an animal or human is born into this world deserving he's only had fleeting moments.
He spent most of his life in an unlicensed petting zoo then moved to his home now to be ignored and suffer from pain, ignorance and just plain meanness.

Four months ago I filed a complaint on his behalf. In April his hooves ranged in length of 10-14", he was in terrible pain and his humans (my sister & her 2 children)were trying to get him to stand so he could give pony rides later that day. After other animals suffered & passed on due to neglect I had to finally do something - knowing it would cost me the family. At that point the decision was already made for me in the soul dept.

I did manage to get a neighbor to attempt to help him with his hooves but as soon as Animal Control closed their case in Oct. I fear he is back in the situation that he was before which seems to be confirmed by your initial reading.

Since Sept. I had fought endlessly for the laws to be enforced. Michigan has very detailed legislation that is to protect animals - some of the best animal legislation to date. From the bottom of the ladder to the top no one will ENFORCE the law and at this moment Ringo is paying the price. He's the pawn in the political game and he could have been safe NOW had the laws been followed.

Could you please let him know that he is loved and that he has changed my life. I will fight for him and others like him until the end of this lifetime. Could you please ask him to hang on, if he has the will, that I am fighting to let him live out many, many years in a home that he will forever be loved - every day. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

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equinelaundry

Dec. 17, 2003, 07:31 AM

If you won't accept paypal donations do you have a rescue/shelter/organization that is close to your heart that we can donate to?

Thanks for being you. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

katarine

Dec. 17, 2003, 07:33 AM

Interesting.

Norah, what can you tell me about my husband's 9 YO QH, JJ? Is he ok with his situation?

Also, what does my Jakehorse have to say? He always seems to be trying to tell me something.

Thank you in advance.

"Shoot me now! Shoot me now!"
Bugs Bunny

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 07:34 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Katom Cree:
Good morning norahlee. Like others have posted, I want to thank you so much for you insight. Many time I have tried to "connect" with my horses, but I have only felt a closeness really to one and just affection, if that is the right word, from the others. I do care for them deeply and often think of them like my children since right now I do not have any. I have though about what you said and I hope you do not mind if I ask few more questions.

Would Annie be happier and more relaxed if I started to ride her again. I have not able to due to her getting cast in her stall one night ( happened about four months ago) and injuring her back. Is she ready to got back to work again? If so what would she like to do? Will that help her mentally?

I did have another mare, Grace, and sold her to a good home. Is she happy there? Does she miss me? Does she think bad of me for selling her?

And in general do the four I have now like having me for their "mother/owner/slave" or does any one of them feel that I am only a temporary owner?

Member of the Western Clique, Quarter Horse Clique and Stallion Clique

Owner of and slave to a small herd - Indio Joe (Paint Stallion), Im A Skip (AppY Gelding), You Cant Imagine (QH mare), and Miss Orphanannie Two (QH mare)

http://community.webshots.com/user/katomcree

Added pics of my other three horses I had - Pahrump Playpoy, Cree's Tom Boy and Shuggy's Graceful Lady <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>K C -- I NEVER mind. I have learned SO MUCH from all this. I almost don't care if I helped in any way; I've gotten so much out of it!!! Annie would not care if you never rode her again. She is worried about the back (it's stiff; can you get a masseuse?) and she fears pain from that. She doesn't know the answer to your other questions. The others (my God. Four horses vying for my attention) -- try to get specific topics for each one, individually. Otherwise we'd be here all day.

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poniesrule

Dec. 17, 2003, 07:43 AM

Norahlee. I recently sold a gelding (Pollux) because this guy would just lose it at times. He's very herdbound and (I felt) couldn't get attached to his human...Last August he threw me and hurt me bad. Does he know this? Why did he do this?

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 07:46 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by equinelaundry:
I fear he is back in the situation that he was before <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, exactly. He is smarter than I thought. He will gladly talk now that I ask the right questions. He says that there is love in his life, therefore it's WONDERFUL. You are a GREAT (meaning larage, and the other thing, too) part of that. He says that pain is *not* (he disregards it COMPLETELY) so sends comforting love to you on that. Hanging on doesn't matter, he is happy, he has YOURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR love. You h avae made the difference. Love, rocky (that's his REAL name -- PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE call him by that). Note: this is the first time I've ever gotten a "signature"

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lovemyhorse

Dec. 17, 2003, 07:47 AM

thank you norahlee!

rosijet

Dec. 17, 2003, 07:52 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by norahlee:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by rosijet:
norahlee - I had an AC talk to Rock many years ago with fantastic results (made a true believer out of a complete skeptic) It was in person so I'd like to try with you and compare if it's ok?

What does Rock think of his current living situation? Would he like to start showing again and if so, what discipline appeals to him? Does he have any specific pain issues to discuss? Was he cold Monday or am I being overprotective?

I also have Simon and Jett. Could you ask them if they have any pain issues? How do they feel about each other? What do they think about the dogs?

Thank you! You seem like a kind person and if you're ever in the Denver area, let me know!

"Crazy is just another point of view" Sonia Dada<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rock's current living situation is just fine with him because YOU ARE THERE. He's wonderful, by the way. I'd like to have him myself. As to different work, he likes jumping. It's FUN!!! It's more like the bucking with JOY in his heart he does in the pasture than ANY OTHER THING THERE IS. So there, he says. Showing -- ptuiii (that's a spit). Forever tired of that, he says. No good to people, who get ALL NERVOUS and are no fun any more, and for HORSES, who are abused horribly. Pain is something he's closed-lipped about. Not going to say ANYTHING about it; even sends me a picture of squeezed-shut lips to make sure I get it. BRIGHt horse. He's cold, all right. He says that horses generally don't discuss (with their owners) their pain issues OR their cold issues. It's just not productive. (sigh) Too bad. Simon and Jett. Are indignant that they're not being discussed individually. They are going tight-lipped now. Opinionated boys you have here. Your horses are clamming shut (I see an image of standing with arms folded across his chest).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you very much for connecting with them. LOL! They ARE opinionated and loved boys. Yes, Rock is bright and one of the kindest horses I've ever known. He's also been through a lot physically and emotionally his whole life and he has a forever home here. This is the first year I've not blanked him and have agonized over it so I will start to blanket him more on those chilly nights. And I do wish he'd share any pain issues. He's such a trooper and doesn't like to complain but I want to help him.

Simon too will have a forever home but since he's a youngster, we're still figuring out what he'd like to be when he grows up. If he has any insight on that, I'd love to know. I adore him.

Jett is my slaughter rescue and we'll just see too how things progress with him but he has made great strides in his trust issues. I hope he feels the same way.

Can you communicate with a horse I've never met? There is a coming two year old palomino filly that I will be fostering for awhile. She's coming Saturday. If that's not possible, may I contact you after she arrives? Thanks!

"Crazy is just another point of view" Sonia Dada

Painted Joe

Dec. 17, 2003, 07:55 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by norahlee:

K C -- I NEVER mind. I have learned SO MUCH from all this. I almost don't care if I helped in any way; I've gotten so much out of it!!! Annie would not care if you never rode her again. She is worried about the back (it's stiff; can you get a masseuse?) and she fears pain from that. She doesn't know the answer to your other questions. The others (my God. Four horses vying for my attention) -- try to get specific topics for each one, individually. Otherwise we'd be here all day.

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Oh boy do I understand that! With that let me try to ask it in a way hopefully they can respond.

Does Annie feel like I have let her down, heathy wise due to her injury? Is she happy otherwise? Would she willing go back to work if asked to? I did enjoy riding her before the injury and miss riding her.

Does Imagine have hidden issues from her previous owner? Is she willing to find contentment with me? I know she is unhappy with something, but I cannot figure it out.

Ultimately what would make Joe the happiest next to more attention from me?

Does Skip have any issues he would like address other than his fear of not enough food. Is he otherwise content? Would he like anything changed with his stall or work schedule?

I hope this helps. Thanks so much.

Member of the Western Clique, Quarter Horse Clique and Stallion Clique

Owner of and slave to a small herd - Indio Joe (Paint Stallion), Im A Skip (AppY Gelding), You Cant Imagine (QH mare), and Miss Orphanannie Two (QH mare)

http://community.webshots.com/user/katomcree

Added pics of my other three horses I had - Pahrump Playpoy, Cree's Tom Boy and Shuggy's Graceful Lady

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 07:55 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by katarine:
Interesting.

Norah, what can you tell me about my husband's 9 YO QH, JJ? Is he ok with his situation?

Also, what does my Jakehorse have to say? He always seems to be trying to tell me something.

Thank you in advance.

_"Shoot me now! Shoot me now!"
Bugs Bunny_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>JJ is indignant that you would ask about someone else's horse!! Mind your own business!! Jakehorse is calm quiet, kind of a peacemaker. He doesn't see the need to talk through me. He says that you're capable of learning this. Patient, loving, encouragement.

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nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 07:58 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by poniesrule:
Norahlee. I recently sold a gelding (Pollux) because this guy would just lose it at times. He's very herdbound and (I felt) couldn't get attached to his human...Last August he threw me and hurt me bad. Does he know this? Why did he do this?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Pollux doesn't know why you're asking about this because you're NOT his human. This was probably the problem you had with him. He didn't see why he should put up with the inconvenience and downright discomfort of riding when you weren't his person.

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cj30080

Dec. 17, 2003, 07:59 AM

Norahlee -

I believe you had indicated you were letting the communication come to you as it was less tiring. If you have the opportunity, please let Fancy know that she is greatly loved. My disappointment is in my inability to ride her correctly. I'll eventually figure it out. I think she is wonderful. I'll be letting her know this too when I see her this weekend. Thank you very much.

By the way, how are you with cats?

Dalriada

Dec. 17, 2003, 08:05 AM

Thank you Norahlee! I really appreciate the insight and all you have written.

Our blah 4 year old was slightly out of wack on her phosphorus balance but still within normal range, so we didn't adjust her supplements. We will correct that.

A couple of other horses for you to query or talk to:

8 year old mare that I lease - is there anything up with her physically that needs to be fixed - we had to restructure her musculature over the last year. Also can you tell her not to try too hard - her anticipation and gross movements are not required, only what is asked is required in minute increments.

6 year old gelding - I purchased him in the sping. I would like to know if he is happy with us. Also tell him he needs to relax and trust all of us who handle him regularly, we are not going to beat him. I also would love to know what stable name he would like to be known by.

"I am only one; but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something; I will not refuse to do something I can do." - Helen Keller

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by rosijet:

Thank you very much for connecting with them. LOL! They ARE opinionated and loved boys. Yes, Rock is bright and one of the kindest horses I've ever known. He's also been through a lot physically and emotionally his whole life and he has a forever home here. This is the first year I've not blanked him and have agonized over it so I will start to blanket him more on those chilly nights. And I do wish he'd share any pain issues. He's such a trooper and doesn't like to complain but I want to help him.

Simon too will have a forever home but since he's a youngster, we're still figuring out what he'd like to be when he grows up. If he has any insight on that, I'd love to know. I adore him.

Jett is my slaughter rescue and we'll just see too how things progress with him but he has made great strides in his trust issues. I hope he feels the same way.

Can you communicate with a horse I've never met? There is a coming two year old palomino filly that I will be fostering for awhile. She's coming Saturday. If that's not possible, may I contact you after she arrives? Thanks!

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Simon is too worried to say. He's not sure he should be talking to someone not his owner, a violation of the code of ethics or s omething.

Jett is still gettting better physically; he says that's occupying ALL his resources, mentally and physically.

The filly hasn o connection to you; I can't get anything. (I go through the owner to find the horse/pony/whatever, you know)

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equinelaundry

Dec. 17, 2003, 08:11 AM

Thank you Norahlee, you have brought great comfort.

"Rocky" is the perfect name for this little gift from God. He has been such a fighter. It is my hope that "Rocky" will continue on in this life and show the world that the simplist (sp?) of basic life necessities can make all the difference in a life. It is my hope that I (with the help of the universe and a few extra angels!) can give him the opportunity to shine in his "ring" and receive back all that he has to give.

(((((HUGS))))) to you for giving the animals an opportunity to speak. I do believe you will change some lives thru your work.

lovemyhorse

Dec. 17, 2003, 08:15 AM

norahlee, pls check your PT

thanks!

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 08:23 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Katom Cree:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by norahlee:

K C -- I NEVER mind. I have learned SO MUCH from all this. I almost don't care if I helped in any way; I've gotten so much out of it!!! Annie would not care if you never rode her again. She is worried about the back (it's stiff; can you get a masseuse?) and she fears pain from that. She doesn't know the answer to your other questions. The others (my God. Four horses vying for my attention) -- try to get specific topics for each one, individually. Otherwise we'd be here all day.

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Oh boy do I understand that! With that let me try to ask it in a way hopefully they can respond.

Does Annie feel like I have let her down, heathy wise due to her injury? Is she happy otherwise? Would she willing go back to work if asked to? I did enjoy riding her before the injury and miss riding her.

Does Imagine have hidden issues from her previous owner? Is she willing to find contentment with me? I know she is unhappy with something, but I cannot figure it out.

Ultimately what would make Joe the happiest next to more attention from me?

Does Skip have any issues he would like address other than his fear of not enough food. Is he otherwise content? Would he like anything changed with his stall or work schedule?

I hope this helps. Thanks so much.

Member of the Western Clique, Quarter Horse Clique and Stallion Clique

Owner of and slave to a small herd - Indio Joe (Paint Stallion), Im A Skip (AppY Gelding), You Cant Imagine (QH mare), and Miss Orphanannie Two (QH mare)

http://community.webshots.com/user/katomcree

Added pics of my other three horses I had - Pahrump Playpoy, Cree's Tom Boy and Shuggy's Graceful Lady <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Annie does not, no way, never, feel AT ALL that you havae let her down, i the injury or any o ther way. She feels SO BLESSED to have you (image of angel here, bending over a chestnut mare) and wants you to know, if it weren't for the pain issue, i t would never occur to her to deny you anything ever. End of story. Imagine is hiding anything related to her previous owner from me. None of my business, she says. You are her current owner, she loves you, and is a bit anxious about it. You two don't know each other well, and make mistakes. She thinks we humans are PRETTY STUPID to not know that when there is an owner/horse relationship, that is that. You two are bonded as with Superglue (She is THRILLED I found that comparison!!!) Joe would be happiest with more food (note this is not a nutritional request, he just LOVES to eat it)Skip (note: these horses will not let me separate their readings by even a single space. They say they are bonded and will stay that way) says that he hates his pasture mates and will kick and beat them up, no more from him
K C -- could this be a joke??
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nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 08:28 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by cj30080:
Norahlee -

I believe you had indicated you were letting the communication come to you as it was less tiring. If you have the opportunity, please let Fancy know that she is greatly loved. My disappointment is in my inability to ride her correctly. I'll eventually figure it out. I think she is wonderful. I'll be letting her know this too when I see her this weekend. Thank you very much.

By the way, how are you with cats?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I told fancy, but she says what business is it of yours? She is, also (this IS my business, this communicating; love is between people and horse, that's all) frustratd by your riding. She asks you, politely, humbly, to please figure it out pretty quick?

I LOVE cats. They are my trainers.

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nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 08:37 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Dalriada:
Thank you Norahlee! I really appreciate the insight and all you have written.

Our blah 4 year old was slightly out of wack on her phosphorus balance but still within normal range, so we didn't adjust her supplements. We will correct that.

A couple of other horses for you to query or talk to:

8 year old mare that I lease - is there anything up with her physically that needs to be fixed - we had to restructure her musculature over the last year. Also can you tell her not to try too hard - her anticipation and gross movements are not required, only what is asked is required in minute increments.

6 year old gelding - I purchased him in the sping. I would like to know if he is happy with us. Also tell him he needs to relax and trust all of us who handle him regularly, we are not going to beat him. I also would love to know what stable name he would like to be known by.

"I am only one; but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something; I will not refuse to do something I can do." - Helen Keller<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>8 year old mare -- she says she still needs to be fixed all over. That is all. 6 year-old gelding says he's not happy. You people make him nervous -- you're so different from other people (meaning the ones he's known) that he doesn't know what's the right thing to do. That's what he's frightened of, doing it wrong. He's discovered that people want you to do things that are ???? His name has been presented to you. You ought to know it by now. He says I'm not supposed to know, it's something precious between owner and son

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Painted Joe

Dec. 17, 2003, 08:47 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by norahlee:
Annie does not, no way, never, feel AT ALL that you havae let her down, i the injury or any o ther way. She feels SO BLESSED to have you (image of angel here, bending over a chestnut mare) and wants you to know, if it weren't for the pain issue, i t would never occur to her to deny you anything ever. End of story. Imagine is hiding anything related to her previous owner from me. None of my business, she says. You are her current owner, she loves you, and is a bit anxious about it. You two don't know each other well, and make mistakes. She thinks we humans are PRETTY STUPID to not know that when there is an owner/horse relationship, that is that. You two are bonded as with Superglue (She is THRILLED I found that comparison!!!) Joe would be happiest with more food (note this is not a nutritional request, he just LOVES to eat it)Skip (note: these horses will not let me separate their readings by even a single space. They say they are bonded and will stay that way) says that he hates his pasture mates and will kick and beat them up, no more from him

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Thank you so much.

For annie - I will get her a massage to help with her back. It is the least I can do.

For Imagine - Yes we have made a few mistakes. I hope she will not hold it against me. I am trying to understand her more every day. I am glad she feels bonded to me as I do to her, but I find is a very complex horse and difficult to understand sometimes. I will try to listen to her better.

For Joe - I am amazed that he said that, yet not also. I have felt that he does enjoy eating, but more so due to him still growing. I guess the only thing to do is let him feast on more hay.

For Skip- Yes he recently got put back into the boy's pasture. He use to share turnout time/ paddock space with Joe (Joe got Am/Skip got PM)in the summer due to the show season. He does have a horse he hates in the boy's pasture and the two have squabled. I do know he has some issues there. He has alway been a horse of few word so to speak. Alway direct.

I am glad that they all feel a closness to one another and to me.

One more thing. I did ask about Grace. Is she content where she is? Does she miss me and the others? I do worry about her and times and have wanted to see her, but someting inside prevents me from going to see her. Her new owner has told me I can see her anytime. Should I?

Member of the Western Clique, Quarter Horse Clique and Stallion Clique

Owner of and slave to a small herd - Indio Joe (Paint Stallion), Im A Skip (AppY Gelding), You Cant Imagine (QH mare), and Miss Orphanannie Two (QH mare)

http://community.webshots.com/user/katomcree

Added pics of my other three horses I had - Pahrump Playpoy, Cree's Tom Boy and Shuggy's Graceful Lady

PaulaM

Dec. 17, 2003, 08:53 AM

is this a sort of psychic connection:

Monday night I was out at the barn, my old mare lives outside 24/7 and I was getting ready to give her a snack, she and the other outdoor horses were at the round bales, and I was thinking it was time feed Canasta and when I came out with the feed bucket, she was right by the gate waiting for me. All of the other horses were still at the hay munching away. Did she sense that I was going to fed her so therefore she came to the barn?

Dalriada

Dec. 17, 2003, 09:07 AM

Thanks Norahlee - Your response makes a lot of sense to me. Given that I purposely didn't give you much information to work with, and knowing the horses your readings are true.

Loosi - 8 year old mare, underwent major muscular change in the past year - all her muscles were out of wack from resisting her owner while doing distance work. For the last year I have been working her into 'normal' musculature (for her skeletal frame) and schooled her for show ring. She did exceedingly well for her first season but still seemed tense in certain situations - pain related?? I kinda wondered if there were still some underlaying issues. I will now book chiro and possibly massage to help fix. Good to know as we have the next 4 months to get it resolved.

Fish - 6 year old gelding, has had a rough start to life. He haltered extensively as a youngster of the Arab circuit - some of the methods that are used in that training are not nice - hence he is very nervous. He then was broken to saddle early and showed immediately with intense pressure to conform, perform and win - gadgets were used a great deal so no give. So he was a 'pampered' show horse until 5 years old, then sold to be a distance horse, where he couldn't cope with intense change in lifestyle (going at full tilt in strange territory with no contact on reins, herd issues, irregular feeding hours) and developed an ulcer. He was 300lbs under weight, poor coat, ulcer,... when i got him. I bought him to rescue him and turn him into the horse he should be. We have been kind to him, but tried to set definitely limits to acceptable and non-acceptable, so he knew where the boundaries are.

Yes, our methods must seem very strange to him as we want him to enjoy what he is doing and we ask him to stretch outside of his comfort zone (aka 'box') to maximize his performances. We work with the horse and not fit them into our 'ideal' box.

Guess he likes his new stable name and is offended that I asked you to ask him about it. Oops - I will have to apologize.

Once again many, many thanks.

"I am only one; but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something; I will not refuse to do something I can do." - Helen Keller

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 09:11 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Katom Cree:

Thank you so much.

For annie - I will get her a massage to help with her back. It is the least I can do.

For Imagine - Yes we have made a few mistakes. I hope she will not hold it against me. I am trying to understand her more every day. I am glad she feels bonded to me as I do to her, but I find is a very complex horse and difficult to understand sometimes. I will try to listen to her better.

For Joe - I am amazed that he said that, yet not also. I have felt that he does enjoy eating, but more so due to him still growing. I guess the only thing to do is let him feast on more hay.

For Skip- Yes he recently got put back into the boy's pasture. He use to share turnout time/ paddock space with Joe (Joe got Am/Skip got PM)in the summer due to the show season. He does have a horse he hates in the boy's pasture and the two have squabled. I do know he has some issues there. He has alway been a horse of few word so to speak. Alway direct.

I am glad that they all feel a closness to one another and to me.

One more thing. I did ask about Grace. Is she content where she is? Does she miss me and the others? I do worry about her and times and have wanted to see her, but someting inside prevents me from going to see her. Her new owner has told me I can see her anytime. Should I?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> The stallion. I did not get that it is NOT a nutritional issue, him being happiest eating more. I think that maybe grain IS needed. He is growing at an alarming rate. Grace -- go to see her. She needs your hugs. Badly.

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nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 09:13 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by PaulaM:
is this a sort of psychic connection:

Monday night I was out at the barn, my old mare lives outside 24/7 and I was getting ready to give her a snack, she and the other outdoor horses were at the round bales, and I was thinking it was time feed Canasta and when I came out with the feed bucket, she was right by the gate waiting for me. All of the other horses were still at the hay munching away. Did she sense that I was going to fed her so therefore she came to the barn?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It was but it was Canasta projecting at you. "Feed me!!" she says. She has JUST learned to do this and is very proud of herself. Just communicating with her for th is was so hard I got a headache.

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PaulaM

Dec. 17, 2003, 09:17 AM

Can I bug you one more time for Canasta, I am sorry if it causes you to get a headache, I just want to see if there is anything else she wants or needs. or if there is something I need to do differently for her. I have this feeling that something is going on with her but I don't know exactly what it is.

Rocky XVI

Dec. 17, 2003, 09:18 AM

Chance totally ignores me every time I come to see him. Can you ask him why? It makes me sad. I so want to play with him!!!

Poor Jewel - she was always so hard to fit. No withers to speak of, and back as flat as a table top. I'm not sure who her owner is now. Could you ask Jewel if Claire still comes to groom and ride her?

Please tell Miss Boo that she is not dumb, she is SENSIBLE, which the other horses are not. That is what her new owners love about her. Please tell her that her breeding does not matter, everyone who sees her thinks she is beautiful with her lovely flaxen mane and tail. She can be proud, and should ignore the other horses if they make fun of her. Can you ask if her new owners are paying lots of attention to her?

Thank you, norahlee. This is so comforting.

~posting my way from working hunter to grand prix~

EventerAJ

Dec. 17, 2003, 09:28 AM

I had a bad experience with an AC once, so I'm admittedly skeptical. I *do* believe horses communicate with people, but in that instance I think it was a marketing ploy. I like to think that I communicate with my horse and the other horses in my care, but I'm limited to "direct" communication, via body language, etc. I am fascinated, though, with Norahlee's readings. They seem incredibly truthful and revealing. I've enjoyed reading the last 10 pages.

Thank you Norahlee. I have a few things I would like to know about my guy, but you have been so wonderfully generous that I am hesitant to take advantage of your willingness to help. Perhaps I could ask you some things when you aren't so "mobbed" http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Again, this has been quite enjoyable. Thanks. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

~AJ~
I've been there...that's why I'm here.

All4Horses2004

Dec. 17, 2003, 09:28 AM

First of all I want to say I never really have thought of a/c before, but I am so incredibly interested. I just have one question....

There is pain in all horses? What exactly does that mean? Physical or mental pain??

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 09:37 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by PaulaM:
Can I bug you one more time for Canasta, I am sorry if it causes you to get a headache, I just want to see if there is anything else she wants or needs. or if there is something I need to do differently for her. I have this feeling that something is going on with her but I don't know exactly what it is.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Canasta says that there is an issue with the feed. It needs more of certain nutrients (phosphorous?). Notice that your first communication was on feed. Not a coincidence. Sorry, cutting this short, headache.

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lucky jenny

Dec. 17, 2003, 09:40 AM

Dear Norahlee
Thanks for a great education. I would like to hear from my horses.
1) Mat - 21 yr stallion. almost retired due to shoulder injury. Is he content? does he hurt too much? Does he like what he does? could he see any future?
2) Burni - 17 year old gelding was badly hurt in 1996, seems to have recovered. Does he still want to show? in what discipline - driving, hunter, other divisions? or would he prefer just to be ridden occasionally on trails? Is he feeling well? If he hurts, where and can it be helped without drugs?
3) Spring - 14 year old bred mare. I hope she is looking forward to being a mother and not too upset that she can no longer do stressful things. Does she feel neglected?
We really appreciate your effort in this and hope to develop more communication with the horses.

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 09:43 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by elsa:
Chance totally ignores me every time I come to see him. Can you ask him why? It makes me sad. I so want to play with him!!!

Poor Jewel - she was always so hard to fit. No withers to speak of, and back as flat as a table top. I'm not sure who her owner is now. Could you ask Jewel if Claire still comes to groom and ride her?

Please tell Miss Boo that she is not dumb, she is SENSIBLE, which the other horses are not. That is what her new owners love about her. Please tell her that her breeding does not matter, everyone who sees her thinks she is beautiful with her lovely flaxen mane and tail. She can be proud, and should ignore the other horses if they make fun of her. Can you ask if her new owners are paying lots of attention to her?

Thank you, norahlee. This is so comforting.

~posting my way from working hunter to grand prix~<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Chance said his withers hurt from the saddle and he is NOT INTERESTED in another ride like that. Hmmmph. She says Claire is good to her. Yes. Yumm. I can TELL Miss Boo, and she is grateful. Yes. Thank you. I was feeling dumb, but I can see that these dumb Other animals (really speeded-up image of people freaking out all over a horse, swearing at it). Grin!

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nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 09:50 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by All4Horses2004:
First of all I want to say I never really have thought of a/c before, but I am so incredibly interested. I just have one question....

There is pain in all horses? What exactly does that mean? Physical or mental pain??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I assume you are referring to a quote from one horse early on. But let me address it on a broader issue. Mentally, horses are living an unnatural life. They are born and bred for living wild on the plain, no restrictions on where they go, FRIENDS around all the time (and this one is 99% of the issue). Our current situtions are ALWAYS restrictive. It's not enough to have a huge pasture; they cannot: visit other herds, see what's happening at the water hole this morning, run ALL DAY just for the heck of it, experience vastly differing terrain for building up wind and lungs. etc. They CERTAINLY feel t he lack. Compared to this, the physical thing is NOTHING.

Rocky XVI

Dec. 17, 2003, 09:51 AM

Sigh. Chance was always a bit scattered. No one is riding him, not for a long time. He is too dangerous. I just want to play when I come to see him, not ride. Why does he ignore me? Does he even recognize me?

~posting my way from working hunter to grand prix~

PeriwinkleBlue

Dec. 17, 2003, 09:56 AM

Norah, just two more questions and I'll leave you alone, I promise. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I used to own a lovely bright chestnut Arabian mare with lots of chrome and a blaze. Her name was China and she was an absolute doll.
I sold her to some wonderful people in Texas, but I've moved to Virginia since and haven't heard from them in a few months.
Can you ask her if she's happy? Also if she's enjoying the work they give her to do? And one last thing - what are they doing with her; trailriding, showing, what?

Also, I have a cat named Pixel. Is she happy with us or would she rather live with our friend (she's been boarded with him while we were out of town). How does she feel about my daughter?

Thank you very much! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 09:58 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by lucky jenny:
Dear Norahlee
Thanks for a great education. I would like to hear from my horses.
1) Mat - 21 yr stallion. almost retired due to shoulder injury. Is he content? does he hurt too much? Does he like what he does? could he see any future?
2) Burni - 17 year old gelding was badly hurt in 1996, seems to have recovered. Does he still want to show? in what discipline - driving, hunter, other divisions? or would he prefer just to be ridden occasionally on trails? Is he feeling well? If he hurts, where and can it be helped without drugs?
3) Spring - 14 year old bred mare. I hope she is looking forward to being a mother and not too upset that she can no longer do stressful things. Does she feel neglected?
We really appreciate your effort in this and hope to develop more communication with the horses.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Mat -- is a large, quiet horse. Very nice. I wouldn't mind having him. No comment on anything you said. (remember, they OFTEN will not comment on pain, and don't think they have any input on what they do, so it doesn't occur to them to critique it). They don't look at the future, either. Thinking about the future is a matter of planning. When you have no say in it, you can't plan.

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nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 10:02 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by elsa:
Sigh. Chance was always a bit scattered. No one is riding him, not for a long time. He is too dangerous. I just want to play when I come to see him, not ride. Why does he ignore me? Does he even recognize me?

~posting my way from working hunter to grand prix~<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Chancer is not interested in you; I don't think he even notices you. Of course he knows who you are; he's (indignant!!) not stupid. Horses always recognize people, we don't seem to realize that. He just feels that his pasture is more entertaining than people. He's baffled by "play" with him. He doesn't seem to think that people CAN play with horses.

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Keltic Kross

Dec. 17, 2003, 10:02 AM

norahlee thank you so much for all your help to everyone on this board, I admit I was a skeptic, but you were bang on about my boy in every detail down to his personality (and there is no way you could have known anything about him!).
I was trying to communicate with him myself about what I can do to make his stall more comfortable, but I draw a blank, mind you I am stressed enough these days and can't get my mind to blank. If he ever tip toes up to you just be sure he knows I love him, and try to make him happy as best I can.
Thanks again for all your help, you are truely an amazing person with not only this gift, but the patience and good will to share it with all of these people and their beloved pets.

Now one more curious question again, can a person use the same techniques on other animals, can I try communicating with my cat? He is one walking mystery to me, I wish I knew what made him so aloof, it is moreso than any other cat (or animal for that matter) I have met! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

poniesrule

Dec. 17, 2003, 10:07 AM

Poor Norah!
I do hope you're feeling better...When you do can you tell me if Matthew and Fleur are with "their" humans? Does Matthew have something to say about the barn owner where he's boarded at? Did she mistreat him in any way?

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 10:10 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Pokey:
Hello Norahlee,

(if you squeeze the opposing thumb of whichever side your headache is on, it should go away).

Questions again about Grace: is she warm? What does she think about where she lives right now? How does she feel about the riding? Does she know how much I care about her well being? How does her back feel now? Is my riding her tolerable?

And let her know I'm getting rid of the saddle that was causing her pain.

I have recently relized that if I explain to her what the scary things are, she's ok. I haven't yet learned how to hear her though. Mind clutter.

Can you tell me anything about how Little Joe (cat) thinks?

Thank you so much for indulging all of us on this!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You don't know what kind of headache it was. It just hurts to strain to connect with (only two from this board, pts, e-mails, etc.) CERTAIN horses. Never had trouble with any other animal. GRace is warm, content, doesn't consider where she lives as something you critique, is (tight-lipped) on the riding. Her back is (tight-lip). You are the one to tell her how much you care. She doesn't believe that sort of thing from an almost-total stranger. If YOU say it, she can see in your eyes if it's true. (not saying she doubts, that's just how things work.)

Mind clutter. What a perfect explanation!! I also like to use, we can't hear them because our thoughts are too loud. Both so TRUUE. Cats are wonderful; magnificent. There is a reason that cats were considered witches' familiars (a "familiar" is an animal, spirit companion, so to speak). Mine certainly is.

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Painted Joe

Dec. 17, 2003, 10:15 AM

Norahlee- Thanks so much. It has truly helped.

I will go see Grace as I still feel an attachment to her. I do not know why, but I do. Maybe seeing her will allow me to find the answer.

Member of the Western Clique, Quarter Horse Clique and Stallion Clique

Owner of and slave to a small herd - Indio Joe (Paint Stallion), Im A Skip (AppY Gelding), You Cant Imagine (QH mare), and Miss Orphanannie Two (QH mare)

http://community.webshots.com/user/katomcree

Added pics of my other three horses I had - Pahrump Playpoy, Cree's Tom Boy and Shuggy's Graceful Lady

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 10:15 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Keltic Kross:
norahlee thank you so much for all your help to everyone on this board, I admit I was a skeptic, but you were bang on about my boy in every detail down to his personality (and there is no way you could have known anything about him!).
I was trying to communicate with him myself about what I can do to make his stall more comfortable, but I draw a blank, mind you I am stressed enough these days and can't get my mind to blank. If he ever tip toes up to you just be sure he knows I love him, and try to make him happy as best I can.
Thanks again for all your help, you are truely an amazing person with not only this gift, but the patience and good will to share it with all of these people and their beloved pets.

Now one more curious question again, can a person use the same techniques on other animals, can I try communicating with my cat? He is one walking mystery to me, I wish I knew what made him so aloof, it is moreso than any other cat (or animal for that matter) I have met! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>KK -- his stall is too small. That's why you are dra wing a blank. You are communicating with him on SOME levell, and you know he's uncomfortable, and have come up with no way to fix it because there ain't none. Cats are, actually, MUCH easier because not only are they MUCHMUCHMUCH smarter, but they live with us. They know how we think. And, even though we anthropomorphize them to a DISGUSTING degree, we do understand them better than horses because we live with them. ANY animal, plants, crystals, whatever. This is universal telepathy. EVERYTHING has a life force and, therefore, you can communicate with it. End of story.

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Simkie

Dec. 17, 2003, 10:18 AM

norahlee,

This has been a fascinating thread. I would love to hear anything you have to tell me about my three mares. They are Spirit, Ya-ya and Blush.

equinelaundry

Dec. 17, 2003, 10:22 AM

Norahlee,

I do believe you have gotten some "skeptics" to see a different picture - yippeeeee!!!! All could benefit!!

I have always believed that we can all communicate with all species of animals, I believe that our animals are part of our "soul group". IMO it's the humans that are the bottom! We don't "listen" to the messages they are trying to send with every moment we spend with them.

It's all about being "in the moment". I am owned by a rescue horse that taught me that - a lesson hard learned & one I didn't have to learn with my other 3. Don't think that when you think about your critters at an odd time during the day that the critters don't know that. As you are smiling about them, they are home smiling with you, happy to be loved.

Norahlee, as Rocky (his preferred name)is not in my barn I have been known as his caretaker since he has no-one else who has acknowledged his needs.

Does he still have enough punch left in him to fight for a little while longer? I understand that I don't have a say on a soul's time on earth but I would surely like him to experience what he was born entitled to. He is very close to my heart and I would be terribly sad if he had to let go of his physical body. I will never let go of his fight not only because of the connection I feel w/this horse but because his fight is the fight of so many others.

Thanks so much, Kristie (who hopes she didn't contribute to the headache as emotions are really tied to this one!)

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 10:24 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by poniesrule:
Poor Norah!
I do hope you're feeling better...When you do can you tell me if Matthew and Fleur are with "their" humans? Does Matthew have something to say about the barn owner where he's boarded at? Did she mistreat him in any way?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks; I'm okay. I stopped before it got too bad. Sorry for truncating her reading. I could have told her just what nutrients her horse, Canasta, needs. Matthhew is, contentment is exuded from him. Barn owner -- tight lips. ("if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all"). Mistreat is borderline. Fleur isn't speaking; she has hurt feelings because I asked Matthew EVERYTHING before coming BACK to her. Hmmph.

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caffeinated

Dec. 17, 2003, 10:27 AM

this has been really neat http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Of course, if you have a moment to tell me anything about my dear darling Yoda (bay turning grey, almost 19 months) I'd much appreciate it.

http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL50/489204/3242496/39757485.jpg <most recent pic if that helps

I'm more curious though about developing this talent. My cat, who is largely a kind of snarfy and disdainful fellow once communicated with me- I couldn't figure out why he was so upset, kept meowing and looking at me as though very pissed off... I suddenly got a VERY clear mental image his litter box, with the top on wrong so he couldn't get in. Sure enough, that's what the problem was. That situation seemed to take quite a lot of effort/energy/emotion for me to pick it up, how do you get more receptive to less demanding thoughts/etc. ? If that makes any sense?

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[This message was edited by caffeinated on Dec. 17, 2003 at 01:42 PM.]

poshglorib

Dec. 17, 2003, 10:28 AM

Hi Noralee- Can you tell me what my Glori is thinking? Is she happy at her new farm, does she enjoy me her time with me etc? thanks so much in advance.

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 10:34 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Simkie:
norahlee,

This has been a fascinating thread. I would love to hear anything you have to tell me about my three mares. They are Spirit, Ya-ya and Blush.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Spirit is a lively mare. Sher loves you. I see her ina stall, munching. Hapy; showing me the picture of contentment. Y-ya: different animal. Also showing me picture, not content. Swishing her tail. You don't ride her right, it HURTS. Saddle thing, again. Too wide on back? Sliding around? Blush. Not happy being last. Her feelings are hurt. Is this right? It's so vague. But then you didn't ask anything. It's so hard to just show up, say hi. And then give you anything I'd be proud of.

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katarine

Dec. 17, 2003, 10:36 AM

norah, katarine again. Please ask jake about his tack and his feet. thanks.

I'm not surprised JJ told me to butt out. That's his MO.

"Shoot me now! Shoot me now!"
Bugs Bunny

PaulaM

Dec. 17, 2003, 10:38 AM

I am sorry for asking you to do anything that would cause pain to you. Could the connection also be why I have been suffering headaches on a regular basis for the past few weeks?

This is the way I see Canasta: peaceful, very loving but strong willed, eager to please and loves to love and be loved. But when she is in a bad mood, don't get in her way. She is boss mare of the herd and the majority of the other horses accept her in this role with no questions asked. She is a protector. She also feels that certain horses don't respect her the way they should (especially her daughter, Briana). I think She thinks Brie needs to be brought down a peg or two.

This is her taken on Sunday.

http://www3.telus.net/public/rmeehan/dec14/nasta1214.jpg

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 10:39 AM

QUOTE from equinelaundry: We don't "listen" to the messages they are trying to send with every moment we spend with them. YESYESYESYES

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royal militron

Dec. 17, 2003, 10:40 AM

What a neat thread! I have tried to read as much as I can.

Norah, can you tell me if my guy knows I love him and see if he knows me?

Does he like his current barn?

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 10:42 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by equinelaundry:
Norahlee,

I do believe you have gotten some "skeptics" to see a different picture - yippeeeee!!!! All could benefit!!

I have always believed that we can all communicate with all species of animals, I believe that our animals are part of our "soul group". IMO it's the humans that are the bottom! We don't "listen" to the messages they are trying to send with every moment we spend with them.

It's all about being "in the moment". I am owned by a rescue horse that taught me that - a lesson hard learned & one I didn't have to learn with my other 3. Don't think that when you think about your critters at an odd time during the day that the critters don't know that. As you are smiling about them, they are home smiling with you, happy to be loved.

Norahlee, as Rocky (his preferred name)is not in my barn I have been known as his caretaker since he has no-one else who has acknowledged his needs.

Does he still have enough punch left in him to fight for a little while longer? I understand that I don't have a say on a soul's time on earth but I would surely like him to experience what he was born entitled to. He is very close to my heart and I would be terribly sad if he had to let go of his physical body. I will never let go of his fight not only because of the connection I feel w/this horse but because his fight is the fight of so many others.

Thanks so much, Kristie (who hopes she didn't contribute to the headache as emotions are really tied to this one!)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Rocky has doubts. But he has to tell you that his soul will come back. Souls are longer-lived than bodies, that's why bodies go by the way and another one shows up in your life with the exact same soul. The body will be different, tailored to your time of life. He knows this. And he sends (enough love to make my eyes tear) to you for being his "mother" in this life. Love, Rocky, for ALWAYS

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chaos theory

Dec. 17, 2003, 10:43 AM

Norahlee, I have been following this threaad for a while and would like to ask a couple of questions if I may about my gelding:

Does he like his turnout situation now that he is away from the horse that was beating him up all of the time?

Does he like the dressage work that we have been doing lately?

Are there any specific areas of pain that I need to take a look at?

And a very serious one, he was badly injured about 4 years ago...severe facial paralysis on the left side of his face with very deep corneal ulcers in that left eye. I'd like to know what happened (I was in college during the week, only came home on the weekends) Also if he can see OK out of that eye now.

Thanks so much!

-Rachel
http://community.webshots.com/user/haley2155

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 10:45 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by caffeinated:
this has been really neat http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Of course, if you have a moment to tell me anything about my dear darling Yoda (bay turning grey, almost 19 months) I'd much appreciate it.

http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL50/489204/3242496/39757485.jpg <most recent pic if that helps

I'm more curious though about developing this talent. My cat, who is largely a kind of snarfy and disdainful fellow once communicated with me- I couldn't figure out why he was so upset, kept meowing and looking at me as though very pissed off... I suddenly got a VERY clear mental image his litter box, with the top on wrong so he couldn't get in. Sure enough, that's what the problem was. That situation seemed to take quite a lot of effort/energy/emotion for me to pick it up, how do you get more receptive to less demanding thoughts/etc. ? If that makes any sense?

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[This message was edited by caffeinated on Dec. 17, 2003 at 01:42 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yoda has bunches to tell you. He loves you forever, first of all, then, he lives in a pigsty. Clean it up. He worries about *catching* something. End of story. And cats are AMAZING!!! You got a clear communication, but YOUR THOUGHTS WERE IN THE WAY. That's all.

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caffeinated

Dec. 17, 2003, 10:50 AM

LOL yeah that figures! we went from having a big cushy stall to him living outside 24/7 in a small herd of boys... it's VERY muddy

I tell ya he's the only thing keeping me sane right now too. mmmfuzzyhorsiekisses

On another note... if it's my thoughts getting in the way of receiving... if I had a very strong thought/message for a very special horse that's passed on, could he receive it? I literally think of him every day, and I believe somehow he knows what i have to say but I still feel I owe him more

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nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 10:52 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by poshglorib:
Hi Noralee- Can you tell me what my Glori is thinking? Is she happy at her new farm, does she enjoy me her time with me etc? thanks so much in advance.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I CAN tell what she is thinking. I do not, however, "read" an animal, they show me pictures, which I interpret. If I weren't an accomplished writer and editor, I could never do the "interpreting" job I do here. It requires a GREAT DEAL of language skill. Animals, of course, do not know English, except "sit", "stay," etc. Glori is nervous. She's not happy, would LOVE a better fitting saddle, likes you but you make her nervous becasue she doesn't know WHAT is going on with you. Sounds like you need a communicating course big time.

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equinelaundry

Dec. 17, 2003, 10:53 AM

I am so sorry, I just know that I am exhausting you but I can't let it end like this http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif I know the body is just a shell and the soul lives on and continues on thru many lifetimes but I cannot bear the thought of a soul suffering. I especially can't bear the thought of this particular soul suffering.

If his angels can lead me the right way I would be forever grateful. If he has the strength to lead then I will follow.

PeriwinkleBlue

Dec. 17, 2003, 10:56 AM

Norah, I'm really interested in how Pixel feels about living with us. She's a rather aloof cat and not very demonstrative and I want her to be happy.
Could you also ask her why she refuses to use her litterbox?

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 10:57 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by katarine:
norah, katarine again. Please ask jake about his tack and his feet. thanks.

I'm not surprised JJ told me to butt out. That's his MO.

_"Shoot me now! Shoot me now!"
Bugs Bunny_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Jake is *okay* (tight lips) on his tack. (hint from me -- check the underside of the saddle, something (sticking out?) Bit is okay, too. (No qualifications here). And his feet. Wow. You need more help than I am qualified to give. Really.

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nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 11:00 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by PaulaM:
I am sorry for asking you to do anything that would cause pain to you. Could the connection also be why I have been suffering headaches on a regular basis for the past few weeks?

This is the way I see Canasta: peaceful, very loving but strong willed, eager to please and loves to love and be loved. But when she is in a bad mood, don't get in her way. She is boss mare of the herd and the majority of the other horses accept her in this role with no questions asked. She is a protector. She also feels that certain horses don't respect her the way they should (especially her daughter, Briana). I think She thinks Brie needs to be brought down a peg or two.

This is her taken on Sunday.

http://www3.telus.net/public/rmeehan/dec14/nasta1214.jpg<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes!! Very smart of you to make the connection!! Canasta is hard to communicate with because you have to do so much of the work. The way this works is your thoughts have to meet hers. Every other animal has sent their thoughts at least part way, most do the whole thing for me. I just have to wait here for them. Not Canasta. She makes you go the whole way. you know, I think she's doing it on purpose.

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nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 11:03 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by royal militron:
What a neat thread! I have tried to read as much as I can.

Norah, can you tell me if my guy knows I love him and see if he knows me?

Does he like his current barn?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>This is a very tentative horse. He's not sure of really anything. You can TRY to sit in front of him and project thoughts.

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PaulaM

Dec. 17, 2003, 11:05 AM

I have this feeling that she is afraid of being hurt. Kinda afraid to make the effort in case is backfires on her. She has been hurt before and really doesn't want to be hurt again so is very guarded with communication.

Oh, is there anyway I can communicate to her (without causing you pain) that she is causing me to have major headaches so to lighten up a bit for now.

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 11:09 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by chaos theory:
Norahlee, I have been following this threaad for a while and would like to ask a couple of questions if I may about my gelding:

Does he like his turnout situation now that he is away from the horse that was beating him up all of the time?

Does he like the dressage work that we have been doing lately?

Are there any specific areas of pain that I need to take a look at?

And a very serious one, he was badly injured about 4 years ago...severe facial paralysis on the left side of his face with very deep corneal ulcers in that left eye. I'd like to know what happened (I was in college during the week, only came home on the weekends) Also if he can see OK out of that eye now.

Thanks so much!

-Rachel
http://community.webshots.com/user/haley2155<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>He is much relieved to not be hurt all the time. Beyond that, it's a pasture. Baffled I would ask. Dressage work is more painful than other things, but you seem pleased, so that's good enough for him. end of story

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OnyxThePony

Dec. 17, 2003, 11:10 AM

I once again thank norahlee on being here for everybody!!
How very very sweet of her!!

If anyone would like to talk to me about my experiences, feel free to PT http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Neither Fear Nor Anger

royal militron

Dec. 17, 2003, 11:11 AM

Norah,

Why do you suspect he is so tentative?

he is not give you any thoughts?

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 11:16 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by caffeinated:
LOL yeah that figures! we went from having a big cushy stall to him living outside 24/7 in a small herd of boys... it's VERY muddy

I tell ya he's the only thing keeping me sane right now too. mmmfuzzyhorsiekisses

On another note... if it's my thoughts getting in the way of receiving... if I had a very strong thought/message for a very special horse that's passed on, could he receive it? I literally think of him every day, and I believe somehow he knows what i have to say but I still feel I owe him more

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nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 11:21 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by equinelaundry:
I am so sorry, I just know that I am exhausting you but I can't let it end like this http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif I know the body is just a shell and the soul lives on and continues on thru many lifetimes but I cannot bear the thought of a soul suffering. I especially can't bear the thought of this particular soul suffering.

If his angels can lead me the right way I would be forever grateful. If he has the strength to lead then I will follow.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No, no, you aren ot exhausting. Actually, Rocky is by far the most spiritual animal on this board. Amazing, really. He WANTS y ou to keep trying, partially so he can see you again. This only-spiritual communication SUCKS!!!!! big time, he says. He wants your body, petting him, rubbing all over him, he WANTS WANTS WANTS!! He just was honestly answering about hanging on for a while. He has doubts about a long time, but there is CERTAINLY PLENTYPLENTYPLENTYYYYYYYYYY of time to get back together. End of story Love and kisseshugseverythingthereis forever, Rocky.

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nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 11:23 AM

And, equinelaundry -- you apparently did not catch it the first time, but we told you there is no pain, therefore, no suffering.

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nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 11:27 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by PaulaM:
I have this feeling that she is afraid of being hurt. Kinda afraid to make the effort in case is backfires on her. She has been hurt before and really doesn't want to be hurt again so is very guarded with communication.

Oh, is there anyway I can communicate to her (without causing you pain) that she is causing me to have major headaches so to lighten up a bit for now.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes. Go to her, and, making sure she is paying attention, put your face right up against hers, look her in the eye, and tell her. Be very full in your explanations, tell her SEVERAL ways; this mare has more trouble communicating than any other animal I've seen in my life. Be very clear with her, and do tell her several different ways.

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nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 11:29 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by royal militron:
Norah,

Why do you suspect he is so tentative?

he is not give you any thoughts?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>He is afraid of being hurt. I GOT thoughts, that's what I wrote you about.

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cj30080

Dec. 17, 2003, 11:32 AM

Norahlee - Cat question

Please check your email. I would love to ask about my cats but didn't want to do so on a horse forum.

chaos theory

Dec. 17, 2003, 11:35 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by norahlee:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by chaos theory:
Norahlee, I have been following this threaad for a while and would like to ask a couple of questions if I may about my gelding:

Does he like his turnout situation now that he is away from the horse that was beating him up all of the time?

Does he like the dressage work that we have been doing lately?

Are there any specific areas of pain that I need to take a look at?

And a very serious one, he was badly injured about 4 years ago...severe facial paralysis on the left side of his face with very deep corneal ulcers in that left eye. I'd like to know what happened (I was in college during the week, only came home on the weekends) Also if he can see OK out of that eye now.

Thanks so much!

-Rachel
http://community.webshots.com/user/haley2155<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>He is much relieved to not be hurt all the time. Beyond that, it's a pasture. Baffled I would ask. Dressage work is more painful than other things, but you seem pleased, so that's good enough for him. end of story

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Thank you so much norahlee! Did he say anything about the accident? I know it is probably a painful thing to bring up but I would really like to know if it was just a random accident that he did to himself or if someone hit him with something.

Also, will he say why dressage is more painful than jumping? Any specific areas?

Thank you so much again! This is a great thread!

-Rachel
http://community.webshots.com/user/haley2155

royal militron

Dec. 17, 2003, 11:39 AM

Hurt? Oh my... maybe I need to look into who is doing barn chores or something?? He gets lead in and out every day and that's it, other than that it's me. That's a scary thought he thinks he will get hurt.

I am sorry, now I feel I need to look into this. Did you get anything else at all from him?

caffeinated

Dec. 17, 2003, 11:40 AM

just a quick story... to encourage more "talking" to horses... LOL

A couple years ago I was riding a young quarter horse mare and trying to work on lead changes. I was getting more and more frustrated by the second, and the attempts kept getting worse and worse.

So I stopped. And said, out loud, "now Abby, what I want you to do is come across the diagonal without speeding up, and in the center, just take a little skip and switch your leads on both the front AND back legs. Got it?"

Wouldn't you know we started back up and she did three perfect ones in a row?

LOL

I'm a big believer in talking to them now. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 11:43 AM

C T -- I got what he gave. End of story means they're not goint to talk any more, that they're finished. In your case, the rest of the questions were about training preferences and terrible scary accidents, which usually they won't talk about. specifics, like you listed here, are okay. He's bright and grateful that youasked. Dressage is pushing up the back hurts, stiffens, strains, it may be supposed to be that way, plus the feet go where YOU want, not where is easiest to put them becasue it's less strain to put the legs out to the side instead of underneath him. End of story

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nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 11:49 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by royal militron:
Hurt? Oh my... maybe I need to look into who is doing barn chores or something?? He gets lead in and out every day and that's it, other than that it's me. That's a scary thought he thinks he will get hurt.

I am sorry, now I feel I need to look into this. Did you get anything else at all from him?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>There are all kinds of ways he could get hurt. He has a GREAT imagination. I would not worry about barn help.

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EventerAJ

Dec. 17, 2003, 11:51 AM

Norahlee, would you mind speaking with my guy for a moment?

10 y/o QH named "Mack." I would like to know if showing at our current level was an "effort" for him? (Has he reached his limits? I understand if horses have no concept of this, just curious)

And tell him I'm sorry he feels starved. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif He can have more grain and turnout when he goes back into full work and exercise.

I'm working on communicating better. I thank him for his patience with me. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

~AJ~
I've been there...that's why I'm here.

royal militron

Dec. 17, 2003, 11:52 AM

wow! Norah. Now that you said that, he is the low man on the totum pole and he just joined this small group about 4 months ago. He tends to rather be with me than his turnout buddies, maybe that's why you're getting the hurt signal. Oh and you're right about that imagination! Geesh.. I can't keep up!

Thank you so much Norah! I can't tell you how much this has made me think today!!! I can't wait to go see him after work. I have never had any experience with an a/c... I am going to read up on it I think to learn some more.

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 11:53 AM

Yes, caffeinated, yes yes! Talk to your horse, explain things to them. Tell them you love them. Reassure them, for this is a big scary world we live in. And don't worry about talking about things that the horse might not understand. As long as YOU know what you're talking about, they'll get it. Good luck

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nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 11:56 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by EventerAJ:
Norahlee, would you mind speaking with my guy for a moment?

10 y/o QH named "Mack." I would like to know if showing at our current level was an "effort" for him? (Has he reached his limits? I understand if horses have no concept of this, just curious)

And tell him I'm sorry he feels starved. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif He can have more grain and turnout when he goes back into full work and exercise.

I'm working on communicating better. I thank him for his patience with me. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

~AJ~
_ I've been there...that's why I'm here. _<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes, it hurts to throw his heavy body where you want it. And they, being the clever athletes they are, DO understand effort and limits. He could domore, and is eager to, and is insulted that you think he couldn't. He is FAR from his limits. End of story

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nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 12:00 PM

Thanks so much, people, for being concerned about wearing me out, headaches, and so forth. Actually, only horse gave me a hadache and briefly. The other horses ALL gave more than they got. Wonderful beings, all. You guys made good choices.

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Rocky XVI

Dec. 17, 2003, 12:01 PM

I don't know how you keep this up, Norahlee, but as long as you are willing.....

There is a mare in my care, but she is not mine. I would like to make her more comfortable?

Could you please ask her this question: What are you looking for?

~posting my way from working hunter to grand prix~

EventerAJ

Dec. 17, 2003, 12:01 PM

Thank you norah. I'm sorry it insulted him. I've always wanted to believe he could go farther, but some well-respected people told me he has reached his limits.

I'm sorry I ever doubted him. I should pay more attention to HIM and less to other people. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

~AJ~
I've been there...that's why I'm here.

lucky jenny

Dec. 17, 2003, 12:01 PM

Norahlee
Thanks for the input. Mat is quiet and very nice. One of the sweetest stallions there is. He must think he is large because he is the smallest in the barn at 14.hh. I understand that he has no control over his future.I hope he is happy.
As for Burni, would he like to retire? I think he loves pleasure driving, but what about in the show ring? Would he like to do more hunter? I hope he is feeling good .

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 12:03 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by elsa:
I don't know how you keep this up, Norahlee, but as long as you are willing.....

There is a mare in my care, but she is not mine. I would like to make her more comfortable?

Could you please ask her this question: What are you looking for?

~posting my way from working hunter to grand prix~<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>What a nice mare. She is so mature, calm, comfortable AND comforting. I love her. She would like to be with you for life. That's what she's been BEGGING you for.

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INoMrEd

Dec. 17, 2003, 12:05 PM

Noralee I'm absolutley fascinated by this thread.

There isn't a day that goes by that I don't think about my old gelding Herman. When he was 28 years old we had to put him down (almost 5 years ago) because he had cancer in one of his kidneys and there was nothing that could be done. I was so upset that I couldn't stay with him while he was euthanized. I would have liked to have had him die in my arms but I wasn't emotionally strong enough. Does he have anything to say about it?

- Libby

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." - DAVE BARRY

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 12:06 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by lucky jenny:
Norahlee
Thanks for the input. Mat is quiet and very nice. One of the sweetest stallions there is. He must _think_ he is large because he is the smallest in the barn at 14.hh. I understand that he has no control over his future.I hope he is happy.
As for Burni, would he like to retire? I think he loves pleasure driving, but what about in the show ring? Would he like to do more hunter? I hope he is feeling good .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Burni is happy doing whatever you want to do. What a cheerful guy. Would prefer to not "retire" (ptuii -- that's a spit -- is what says about retiring. A "nice" way of saying THROW THE HORSE AWAY!!!). In his opinion. INFORMED opinion, he says to correct me.

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equinelaundry

Dec. 17, 2003, 12:07 PM

Thank you.

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 12:09 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by INoMrEd:
Noralee I'm absolutley fascinated by this thread.

There isn't a day that goes by that I don't think about my old gelding Herman. When he was 28 years old we had to put him down (almost 5 years ago) because he had cancer in one of his kidneys and there was nothing that could be done. I was so upset that I couldn't stay with him while he was euthanized. I would have liked to have had him die in my arms but I wasn't emotionally strong enough. Does he have anything to say about it?

- Libby

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." - DAVE BARRY<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>He has his regrets, too. There wasnever a time to say good-bye. He regrets it as much as you do. There is a spiritual "signing-off" that occurs when we say good-bye, you two missed out on it and, therefore, have much more connection than is good for you. It interferes with a lot. Didn't you have trouble getting another horse? I have, since I did the exact same thing with a put-down mare.

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alabama

Dec. 17, 2003, 12:11 PM

norahlee, I haven't read the entire thread yet, but I'd love to know what Natchez thinks of his new (since May) home.

(If I read the rest of the posts and see that you got tired of answering these questions, that will be ok. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

INoMrEd

Dec. 17, 2003, 12:15 PM

I did get another the following month that I love dearly. Sir Knowzalot is wonderful but he's not Herman. I saved Herman from the killers when he was 12 and had him nearly 17 years. He was a very big part of my life.

Please tell him that I love him and always will. I still have a shrine to him in my office and at home. I could never forget him! I miss him terribly and would like to have closure. Is is possible for you to act as mediator and allow us to properly say good-bye?

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." - DAVE BARRY

[This message was edited by INoMrEd on Dec. 17, 2003 at 03:25 PM.]

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 12:27 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by alabama:
norahlee, I haven't read the entire thread yet, but I'd love to know what Natchez thinks of his new (since May) home.

(If I read the rest of the posts and see that you got tired of answering these questions, that will be ok. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Natchez is nervous. What do you want of him? (he says tht's the only important question; home does not matter here)

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nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 12:31 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by INoMrEd:
I did get another the following month that I love dearly. Sir Knowzalot is wonderful but he's not Herman. I saved Herman from the killers when he was 12 and had him nearly 17 years. He was a very big part of my life.

Please tell him that I love him and always will. I still have a shrine to him in my office and at home. I could never forget him! I miss him terribly and would like to have closure. Is is possible for you to act as mediator and allow us to properly say good-bye?

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." - DAVE BARRY

[This message was edited by INoMrEd on Dec. 17, 2003 at 03:25 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I cut you off in the previous reply because I was crying about my mare. She was in my mind, as always, so I just said, "good-bye" to that mournful bay face. That did it. Now you and she should have no more problems. You will be able to have Herman "in" Sir Knowzalot. It was very telling that you very first sentence to me was , "he's not Herman." Well, he's supposed to be. You have one horse soul assigned to you, and when Herman's body went away, Herman was SUPPOSED to come back (the soul) in another body. He couldn't he was stuck in that rotting mass. Saying good-bye is the solution.

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IdahoBetty

Dec. 17, 2003, 12:36 PM

What does Kipling think of his new home?

INoMrEd

Dec. 17, 2003, 12:38 PM

I don't doubt that you were crying about your mare as you posted your reply as I was crying while asking you about Herman.

Sir Knowzalot told Lydia Hiby that he picked me! It was really a mutual choosing as I had admired Knowz for a long time before I ever got the chance to have him for my very own. He is my dream horse now and I guess he is becoming a lot like Herman. He follows me everywhere like a big dog and I do love him so.

Thanks for helping out. I'll treat Knowzy more and more like Herman and I guess he'll become more like him. I sure hope that I get to see all of my former horses, cats and dogs when I cross the rainbow bridge when it's my time to go. My husband hopes the same!

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." - DAVE BARRY

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 12:39 PM

OOps, Inomred, that's not enough. We both need a ceremony. With a candle, quiet place, nothing else. Do not use your shrine, because that is to the *living* Herman, and you wish to talk to the spirit/soul/whatever-you-want-to-call-it only. Then meditate together, share your wishes for the future, and they will come true.

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nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 12:41 PM

Yes, inomred, that is the BODY you're supposed to have. It came to you on purpose.

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nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 12:44 PM

INoMrEd, that's not very clear. Do the meditation together with Herman's spirit.

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katarine

Dec. 17, 2003, 12:45 PM

hmmm.

Ok either I have to call BS on this, or my horse is a hypochondriac or I'm in denial.

He's been barefoot for about 12 weeks. sound, solid feet, no signs of navicular or any lameness issues. No thrush or infection. Happy loping or long trotting on soft ground, still not loving hard footing or rocky footing. His new Old Mac boots are here to replace the borrowed easyboots I don't think he loved. I'll have to ride in the OM's to see.

What bothers me is this-other than being tender from being nekked footed, I have no other reason to believe this horse has any hoof issues at all. No heat, no odd stance, no issues moving out. I only pulled his shoes b/c I've been so happy with JJ's status nekkedfootus.

Hmm.

"Shoot me now! Shoot me now!"
Bugs Bunny

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 12:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by IdahoBetty:
What does Kipling think of his new home?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>He is nervous in it. Something about the water, I think it's dirty and he's afraid to drink it. Horses have enough of a survival instinct to know to not eat certain plants or drink certain things.

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INoMrEd

Dec. 17, 2003, 12:47 PM

O.K. I have candles and a quiet place. I should probably include my husband too since he was there, adn we both made the decision to not stay at the vets for the euthanasia. It was so sad that the only ride Herman had in our new trailer was that one way ride to the vets. My husband said he would never forget the look Herman gave him as he looked back at him from inside that trailer.

There was another trailer incident that involved Herman and Wayne but it was a much happier ending....

Thanks Noralee.

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." - DAVE BARRY

maggiemae

Dec. 17, 2003, 12:48 PM

Norahlee -- if you could, please let me know if my mare is happy having me as her human. And is she happy with her life (what she does/where she is/fellow horse friends)?

If you can't continue to respond, I will understand....

Thanks

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 12:51 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by katarine:
hmmm.

Ok either I have to call BS on this, or my horse is a hypochondriac or I'm in denial.

He's been barefoot for about 12 weeks. sound, solid feet, no signs of navicular or any lameness issues. No thrush or infection. Happy loping or long trotting on soft ground, still not loving hard footing or rocky footing. His new Old Mac boots are here to replace the borrowed easyboots I don't think he loved. I'll have to ride in the OM's to see.

What bothers me is this-other than being tender from being nekked footed, I have no other reason to believe this horse has any hoof issues at all. No heat, no odd stance, no issues moving out. I only pulled his shoes b/c I've been so happy with JJ's status nekkedfootus.

Hmm.

_"Shoot me now! Shoot me now!"
Bugs Bunny_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>All I know is it's something I can't even describe. You need a professional.
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[This message was edited by norahlee on Dec. 17, 2003 at 04:06 PM.]

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[This message was edited by norahlee on Dec. 17, 2003 at 04:27 PM.]

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 12:56 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by maggiemae:
Norahlee -- if you could, please let me know if my mare is happy having me as her human. And is she happy with her life (what she does/where she is/fellow horse friends)?

If you can't continue to respond, I will understand....

Thanks<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>She doesn't think you're the right one. And you wouldn't ask if you didn't already pretty much know this. The other questions don't really make any difference, now, do they?

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Cisco's_Mom

Dec. 17, 2003, 01:01 PM

Hi norahlee,

This is SO interesting! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif I wanted to contact an AC with my previous horse. I loved him so much (still do) and tried SO HARD to make our working relationship a success.... but I just couldn't seem to get it right. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif We were very happy working together on the ground (lots of love and affection), but when I rode him we had many problems. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif I still believe he has a LOT of potential, and can be a very competitive horse someday. So, I've sold him to a new rider, hoping they will "click", and he will have his chance to shine.

Can you tell me what was wrong? Why did he behave so badly when I was trying so hard? Or was he NOT behaving badly, but reacting to something I was doing wrong? Was he in pain? Did he dislike something I was doing? Did I mis-intrepret his reactions? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Anything you can tell me is greatly appreciated! Thank you so much!

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 01:09 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Cisco's_Mom:
Hi norahlee,

This is SO interesting! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif I wanted to contact an AC with my previous horse. I loved him so much (still do) and tried SO HARD to make our working relationship a success.... but I just couldn't seem to get it right. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif We were very happy working together on the ground (lots of love and affection), but when I rode him we had many problems. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif I still believe he has a LOT of potential, and can be a very competitive horse someday. So, I've sold him to a new rider, hoping they will "click", and he will have his chance to shine.

Can you tell me what was wrong? Why did he behave so badly when I was trying so hard? Or was he NOT behaving badly, but reacting to something I was doing wrong? Was he in pain? Did he dislike something I was doing? Did I mis-intrepret his reactions? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Anything you can tell me is greatly appreciated! Thank you so much!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>He says you two were never very happy, it's just that horses are much harder to read on the ground than when you have so much of your body in contact with him. He didn't match you. End of story

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katarine

Dec. 17, 2003, 01:09 PM

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif so why not just say that the first time?

you're not qualified to tell me he didn't like the boots?

it sounds like you waited for me to fill in the blank then told me what I wanted to hear.

Thank you, I'm just a little curious mixed with skeptical. Your advice that I can learn to listen to Jake is certainly spot on and no harm done, but you're comments on his feet the first time were alarming. It's appropriate, therefore, that I infer something's wrong far beyond his footwear.

carry on

"Shoot me now! Shoot me now!"
Bugs Bunny

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 01:11 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by katarine:
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif so why not just say that the first time?

you're not qualified to tell me he didn't like the boots?

it sounds like you waited for me to fill in the blank then told me what I wanted to hear.

Thank you, I'm just a little curious mixed with skeptical. Your advice that I can learn to listen to Jake is certainly spot on and no harm done, but you're comments on his feet the first time were alarming. It's appropriate, therefore, that I infer something's wrong far beyond his footwear.

carry on

_"Shoot me now! Shoot me now!"
Bugs Bunny_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No, I am not qualified to talk about foot issues. And they are too important for me to bumble on. I will not take on subjects I know so little about I cannot even describe them. THAT IS THE CASE HERE.

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Dalriada

Dec. 17, 2003, 01:13 PM

Norahlee

Thanks for alll your efforts. I sure there are going to be some happy horses and happy horsepeople because of your 'mediation' between the 2 species.

My mother is LuckyJenny and it was interesting to hear your comments about Matt and Burni. Matt definitely thinks he is one of the big guys - big heart, little body. Interesting to note that they don't think about the future - goodness knows I would love to just go with the flow.

Burni is very laid back and it is good to know that he feels well enough to continue to have a 'valuable' working life. After both of them having been show horses for so long it is hard to know if they can cope with slowing down. I agree retirement is an ugly word but how else do you term it when they aren't competing at the same level due to: a) ability and b) the next generation needs their turn at glory.

We will keep them going for as long as they are able and willing to do so.

Many thanks and great appreciation for your time and efforts.

"I am only one; but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something; I will not refuse to do something I can do." - Helen Keller

katarine

Dec. 17, 2003, 01:14 PM

given that he's been ridden maybe 10 times in four months, I don't think his feet would rank high on the issues list.

And I thought you said horses didn't comment on pain?

He's been asked to cross rocky ground 3-4 times in the last few months, moving between pastures/properties.He's a pasture potato, where his feet are a non issue. He's been barefoot for 12-14 weeks, and has only had to think about his feet those few times. He's sound as a dollar in the pasture.

When I fed yesterday morning, he was gracefully, happily, soundly trotting the fence with suspension and a happy, playful look in his eye. His feet were not an issue.

"Shoot me now! Shoot me now!"
Bugs Bunny

lovemyhorse

Dec. 17, 2003, 01:17 PM

Hi again norahlee. This time I have a question about a gray mare named Mollie that has come into my life. I met the owner when she had a different horse at the same trainer I was using. Small world, but we were both heading for the same boarding facility and once our horses left the trainer, they ended up at the same location as next door stall neighbors. Her gelding did not work out and she traded him for a mare a friend had. This family took the gelding for resale and gave her the mare. My friend has little confidence or patience in herself when it comes to horses and often ends up reacting quite a bit when this mare starts testing her. She loves animals but has her limits. I offered to help her with the mare, mostly for the mare's sake. The day I laid eyes on her, I immediately felt drawn to her and I don't know why. My friend has given me permission to do whatever I want with the mare (riding, training, etc.). I hope to help Mollie so my friend will be able to ride her better. I wouldn't ask about this mare if I hadn't been given permission to work with her. I can tell she likes me and often looks to me (not just for treats) for acknowledgement. I think she is a very nice mare. When she first came, I found she had some pain in her right wither/shoulder area. She got a new saddle right off the bat which has helped some. However, there is still something going on that we're unable to pinpoint. We're thinking it's a hock issue? To be safe, we've started her on a joint supplement. She is probably about 13 years old. We think she's been used for a speed discipline in the past like barrels or something. As soon as you make a turn, she wants to go, go, go.

Would you see if she has any issues she'd like to tell us about? Anything at all? I'd love to hear from her. Is she in any kind of pain that we haven't addressed? Is she happy where she's at now? Is there anything we can do for her or does she have any requests?

lmh

LMH

Dec. 17, 2003, 01:18 PM

katarine-I am no animal pyschic-but quite often barefoot horses are still sore on hard or rocky ground until the foot gets properly balanced and gets a concaved sole-this can take a little time.

Just let him wear the boots until he gets there http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

katarine

Dec. 17, 2003, 01:19 PM

exactly.

we're getting there- and he's getting time to adjust.

I'll be curious to see how he goes in his OMs.

Norah I'm sorry if my questions upset you so, a healthy dose of skepticism never hurt anyone.

"Shoot me now! Shoot me now!"
Bugs Bunny

Dec. 17, 2003, 01:24 PM

Ok, norahlee, I'll play - what can you tell me about JB and Rio? Do you need pictures? I would like to know about past, current, and future living situations, and current health status. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LMH

Dec. 17, 2003, 01:24 PM

I can not BELIEVE norahlee you would sit there and tell maggiemae that her horse wasn't happy with her! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif And then you won't say any more after dropping the load???

Way to ruin lives http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 01:25 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by lovemyhorse:
Hi again norahlee. This time I have a question about a gray mare named Mollie that has come into my life. I met the owner when she had a different horse at the same trainer I was using. Small world, but we were both heading for the same boarding facility and once our horses left the trainer, they ended up at the same location as next door stall neighbors. Her gelding did not work out and she traded him for a mare a friend had. This family took the gelding for resale and gave her the mare. My friend has little confidence or patience in herself when it comes to horses and often ends up reacting quite a bit when this mare starts testing her. She loves animals but has her limits. I offered to help her with the mare, mostly for the mare's sake. The day I laid eyes on her, I immediately felt drawn to her and I don't know why. My friend has given me permission to do whatever I want with the mare (riding, training, etc.). I hope to help Mollie so my friend will be able to ride her better. I wouldn't ask about this mare if I hadn't been given permission to work with her. I can tell she likes me and often looks to me (not just for treats) for acknowledgement. I think she is a very nice mare. When she first came, I found she had some pain in her right wither/shoulder area. She got a new saddle right off the bat which has helped some. However, there is still something going on that we're unable to pinpoint. We're thinking it's a hock issue? To be safe, we've started her on a joint supplement. She is probably about 13 years old. We think she's been used for a speed discipline in the past like barrels or something. As soon as you make a turn, she wants to go, go, go.

Would you see if she has any issues she'd like to tell us about? Anything at all? I'd love to hear from her. Is she in any kind of pain that we haven't addressed? Is she happy where she's at now? Is there anything we can do for her or does she have any requests?

lmh<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You and Mollie are a match. I think you know that. She DOES have pain and some joint damage from the speed events. You need a vet for this. Also, retrain her (with careful ground work) to not take off like that. It may aggravate any joint problems, plus making it hard to stay on. She should make a good pleasure horse; beyond that she is worn out. Plus, check the saddle fit. It is too flat, I think

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Mopper

Dec. 17, 2003, 01:32 PM

Hi norahlee,
I pt'd you a dog question.
Thank you!!

katarine

Dec. 17, 2003, 01:41 PM

You're first comment to me was...
Jake is *okay* (tight lips) on his tack. (hint from me -- check the underside of the saddle, something (sticking out?) Bit is okay, too. (No qualifications here). And his feet. Wow. You need more help than I am qualified to give. Really.

then you said it was the boot. Just the boots. NOW, you've edited that out.

I think I'll go back to ignorance, B/C I'm not buying this. You're editing too much for my tastes.

Maggie, go hug your horse.

"Shoot me now! Shoot me now!"
Bugs Bunny

Lianne

Dec. 17, 2003, 01:42 PM

I'll play, this is interesting...

Norahlee - does my mare miss jumping or being in work? Why is she so stressed out these days?

LMH

Dec. 17, 2003, 01:46 PM

katarine-I read the original posts and yes they have now been changed!

Methinks someone is not playing fair!

Kit

Dec. 17, 2003, 01:48 PM

Norah, can I ask you just two more things please? My mare's hock...I really have no indication that it will EVER cause ANY problems physically - she tweaked it once but seems fine again. It's more in MY head because of that A/C nearly 5 yrs ago. Am I putting ideas in HER head? I was told that what a phsycic sees doesn't always have to BE i.e. we can change things if we know what could happen. So I rested the horse and am giving joint med. Could I have avoided future problems? That A/C said I would work her too young but I haven't. The mare would not know would she? as she hoons around just fine and apart from that one tweak (which could have been a ligament) has never had a lame day in her 5 years of life. If she had pain and thought her leg might "break down" then wouldn't she show me some sign? Also, if horses never come back from the Meat Factory, then how could they share their experiences? Do they do telepathy? My mare doesn't know anyone who has gone away? sorry, just really curious which is a good thing I feel as I am so open to this and would love to learn it. I get a lot of vibes. Your comments would be appreciated and I am most grateful.

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 01:52 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by LMH:
I can not BELIEVE norahlee you would sit there and tell maggiemae that her horse wasn't happy with her! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif And then you won't say any more after dropping the load???

Way to ruin lives http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif

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All I got from the horse was that she didn't think that she and maggiemae were a match. And that's all I wrote. How could that possibly be a bad thing?
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LMH

Dec. 17, 2003, 01:55 PM

You ARE kdding right? to tell someone that owns a horse that her horse "told" you they aren't a match???

This is a good thing??? Great-guess maggie better sell the poor dear pronto. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

Kit

Dec. 17, 2003, 02:00 PM

From what i've heard - it's not uncommon for people to be told this. Why are you guys getting upset? Horses are all individuals like we are. Haven't you ever had an animal that you didn't quite click with? I don't think being told that would worry me too much - we all get vibes from our animals. What does Maggie say?

Baileybff

Dec. 17, 2003, 02:02 PM

I've got a couple more for you...if you have the time and the energy.

Tony~ The pony I bought for my son over a year ago is now for sale (son lost interest). Is he happy with the idea of leaving or does he intend to stay HERE forever, lol.

Austin~ Can you find out what is hurting him? How long does he think it will take before "it" will get better?

and last but not least~

Newbie~ What does he think about his owner? Does he like all this time off, or would he prefer to be back in the ring?

Curious minds want to know.

I "talked" with Abby this afternoon. She def. seems unhappy and I'm trying to figure out how to deal with that, since her owner does not want her.

Nat http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

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"A horse is a horse of course of course"...This person obviously never met MY horse!
*Who Knew*
*Frosted Flakes*

Dalriada

Dec. 17, 2003, 02:03 PM

LMH - what's wrong with being told you and your horse aren't a match?

I would much rather the pair part ways than to come to blows where a human could get seriously hurt or a horse abused from a non-understanding owner.

How many coaches tell their student that things aren't right it's not a match and time to look at a new mount?

There are times that I haven't gotten along with a horse and known it wasn't a 'match' so time to find the horse someone who could work with them and get somewhere instead of fighting round in circles. Much more productive for both and ended up being happier with the new mount.

If the horse indicated that they weren't a match and ended the conversation, how could Norahlee give any more information than that????

Haven't you been in a social situation where you knew that you and the person of the opposite sex weren't a match despite the fact that one was definitely attracted to the other but not vice versa? What about friends questioning who you are dating and saying your date isn't a match for you. Different scenario - I don't think so.

"I am only one; but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something; I will not refuse to do something I can do." - Helen Keller

Baileybff

Dec. 17, 2003, 02:05 PM

To be honest, I was a little offended when she told me the same thing about the mare I've been riding. However, after thinking about it...I think she is right, lol.

It's not personal from her...just remember that~
Nat http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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"A horse is a horse of course of course"...This person obviously never met MY horse!
*Who Knew*
*Frosted Flakes*

egontoast

Dec. 17, 2003, 02:13 PM

No offence but you people are wildly kooky.

alabama

Dec. 17, 2003, 02:17 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by norahlee:
Natchez is nervous. What do you want of him? (he says tht's the only important question; home does not matter here)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm... I mean no offense but I'm pretty sure my horse isn't nervous. And he and I have ridden together (alone for the most part) for eight years. He knows his job and likes it, I think.

I was really interested if he was happy with his new living arangements. They have changed quite a bit from his old place.

LMH

Dec. 17, 2003, 02:26 PM

what's wrong with being told my horse and I aren't a "match?" Nothing it if comes from a reputable trainer that I trust.

From someone that has never met me or my horse and has no idea of the care I provide??? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Maybe it is just because I have geldings or maybe my horses are simple-they get food, shelter, water, they aren't beaten and are asked to do a job they physically can-I REALLY don't think horses "think" much more than that.

Oh yea-they have pasture buddies.

So if she said-your horse wants to live in Hawaii, what would you do? Move? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I personally this completely ridiculous...even moreso that someone might actually take this advice-heck to each his own.

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 02:35 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by alabama:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by norahlee:
Natchez is nervous. What do you want of him? (he says tht's the only important question; home does not matter here)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm... I mean no offense but I'm pretty sure my horse isn't nervous. And he and I have ridden together (alone for the most part) for eight years. He knows his job and likes it, I think.

I was really interested if he was happy with his new living arangements. They have changed quite a bit from his old place.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>He's nervous SOMETIMES. Like when a strange something-or-other-from-the-sky shows up and asks him something that to him is ????? and he's trying desperately to give the right answer(because it's coming from YOU and he LOVES you). Really, there's something that he THINKS you want from him (I get that it's a training issue, gaits perhaps? he doesn't know. Maybe you punished him for something and he didn't know what it was and *guessed* wrong, but he's pretty worried about it. You know, it's a really rare instance for him. He's proud of that, of being your GOOD riding horse. That may be why this takes such importance for him. Whatever, he's worried, and I don't know that this is something humans can even figure out; he's made such a, frankly, ludicrous connection between your punishment and what he thinks he may have done. And a "punishment" is just something like a leg on him) that he's completely baffled and it's consuming his brain.

Edited to add: I asked again about his new barn, and he says that it's nice, he likes his friends. He's showing me the metal bar gate where he goes out, that's the single most importantt thing in his life.

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[This message was edited by norahlee on Dec. 17, 2003 at 06:12 PM.]

[This message was edited by norahlee on Dec. 17, 2003 at 06:21 PM.]

Carolinela

Dec. 17, 2003, 02:46 PM

Noralhee, can you tell me if Sigfried (Sigi) is happy and can I do anything for him and if Corona is feeling better? In CA.

fullmoon fever

Dec. 17, 2003, 03:00 PM

norahlee - Hi again. Sorry for all the questions; too many horses and not enough work at the office. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Can you ask Freddie why he is such a brat. Also, does Sparky want to be separated from Freddie?

Is Magyk ready, mentally, to start working? Does he feel more connected to myself or my husband?

Thank you again for your time and efforts.

To those of you who don't "believe", find another thread to read. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Founder of the Olde Farte Clique; Member of the Dented Thigh Clique http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
If it ain't tack shopping, it's a waste of time and money.

JDufort

Dec. 17, 2003, 03:04 PM

Hi Norahlee

back after a busy day... and cannot believe you're up to 25 pages! are you okay? this must be exhausting.

regarding my other two guys - they are the "working guys", and are away from me quite a bit. I want to be sure that both are aware how much we love them, and how much we enjoy watching them learn and excell. Are they having fun, too?

Jeanne
eventing - what a great sport!

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 03:07 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by JB:
Ok, norahlee, I'll play - what can you tell me about JB and Rio? Do you need pictures? I would like to know about past, current, and future living situations, and current health status. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You're next in line and I've never skipped anyone (that I know of, if I did PLEASE let me know, I haven't been discriminating at all) but I think I'll leave this one for now.

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Lianne

Dec. 17, 2003, 03:09 PM

Don't forget me, pwease! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 03:17 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Lianne:
I'll play, this is interesting...

Norahlee - does my mare miss jumping or being in work? Why is she so stressed out these days?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Your mare misses jumping and other work, she's bored. She knows you're working on something that affects her, and she's worried about it.

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equestrielle

Dec. 17, 2003, 03:25 PM

I wanted to add my experiences to this thread. I went to an a/c seminar last summer, and I was a complete skeptic. I was invited by a friend. I showed up late. To make a long story short, I think I learned how to do it, and did talk to a dog and a cat. It did come in pictures in my mind, not words. We also did the horses outside, tried to talk to them, but I could not accomplish it. One thing was, when I really worked at it, my palms got sweaty (just sitting in a chair)and at the end of the day, I was more tired than if I had ridden all day! Just bone weary -- the effort of communicating and opening a channel was very difficult for me.

I believe the a/c that was there could really do it, too. She did a reading on my horse that was right on, from a picture.

I really don't have any desire to do it anymore -- it was fun, but not something that appealed. The strangest thing though was my son, who is 7. He asked what I had done all day, and I told him. He said, can I try? I said, okay, sure ...and suddenly he's talking to our 15 year old cat about his friend who he left behind at the farm! He did not know about this cat's history. I actually told him to stop doing it, as frankly I don't want people thinking he's a wierdo (no offense, but most people wouldn't think kindly of a kid saying he could talk to animals psychically). But it was easy for him, really easy.

So yes, I am a believer but I don't feel the need to talk to animals myself.

Lianne

Dec. 17, 2003, 03:27 PM

Nuts... that's what I thought. *lol*

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 03:31 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Kit:
Norah, can I ask you just two more things please? My mare's hock...I really have no indication that it will EVER cause ANY problems physically - she tweaked it once but seems fine again. It's more in MY head because of that A/C nearly 5 yrs ago. Am I putting ideas in HER head? I was told that what a phsycic sees doesn't always have to BE i.e. we can change things if we know what could happen. So I rested the horse and am giving joint med. Could I have avoided future problems? That A/C said I would work her too young but I haven't. The mare would not know would she? as she hoons around just fine and apart from that one tweak (which could have been a ligament) has never had a lame day in her 5 years of life. If she had pain and thought her leg might "break down" then wouldn't she show me some sign? Also, if horses never come back from the Meat Factory, then how could they share their experiences? Do they do telepathy? My mare doesn't know anyone who has gone away? sorry, just really curious which is a good thing I feel as I am so open to this and would love to learn it. I get a lot of vibes. Your comments would be appreciated and I am most grateful.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Good questions, Kit. Yes, your mare would have picked up ALL kinds of ideas from you; you're VERY GOOD at putting ideas in her head. Which, as you're finding out, can be good and bad. Yes, it's completely likely that the only problems in the hock are mental -- hers and yours. That filly knows a lot more about the human world than is good for her. She'll probably have distorted ideas on a bunch of things, from not knowing much about something, but some. Actually, horses do "talk" to each other, that's how they know a LOT of things that go on. She would probably have known about the meat factory from a horse that was there and saw what was going on, and talked to his friend on the truck, who talked to a horse on a farm, etc. They don't seem to share a whole lot of experiences, though. Hope this helps!!!

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verve

Dec. 17, 2003, 03:32 PM

I am with egontoast- this whole thread is nucking futs. Come on now- I listen to my horses daily and they all say "feed me ...feed me now damn you...feed me again." Lianne... I would have said the same thing to you if I did not know your mares situation. That reply was about as generic as possible. Holy hootanannies guys...go ride/muck out/groom/spend time with your horses because this is a waste of time.

nightsong

Dec. 17, 2003, 03:40 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Baileybff:
I've got a couple more for you...if you have the time and the energy.

Tony~ The pony I bought for my son over a year ago is now for sale (son lost interest). Is he happy with the idea of leaving or does he intend to stay HERE forever, lol.

Austin~ Can you find out what is hurting him? How long does he think it will take before "it" will get better?

and last but not least~

Newbie~ What does he think about his owner? Does he like all this time off, or would he prefer to be back in the ring?

Curious minds want to know.

I "talked" with Abby this afternoon. She def. seems unhappy and I'm trying to figure out how to deal with that, since her owner does not want her.

Nat http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

"Show with C.L.A.S.S."
http://classcircuit.0catch.com/Index.htm
"A horse is a horse of course of course"...This person obviously never met MY horse!
*Who Knew*
*Frosted Flakes*
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Tony the Pony doesn't think about hs situation. He goes where he is taken and doesn't think about it. He LOVED your son, but that's kind of fading from his mind, and he's perfectly content as things are. Austin doesn't know what's wrong with his leg. It hurts; that's all he knows. Right front knee. Newbie is not answering. Abby -- I suspect that if she were sold, she'd transfer her allegiance and affection to a new owner. But when a rider/caretaker feels temporary to her, she's not going to risk falling in love and getting hurt.

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Love is all there is

Carolinela

Dec. 17, 2003, 03:42 PM

verve, if you think feed me is all that your horse thinks about when with you, how sad for you. In any case, what is the harm is trying to understand our horses better? And if its a bit of a fantasy, what of it? I think we can judge for ourselves what is or is not a waste of our time.

Carolinela

Dec. 17, 2003, 03:42 PM

Noralhee, any words from Sigi and Corona?

alabama

Dec. 17, 2003, 03:44 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by norahlee:
He's nervous SOMETIMES. Like when a strange something-or-other-from-the-sky shows up and asks him something that to him is ????? and he's trying desperately to give the right answer(because it's coming from YOU and he LOVES you). Really, there's something that he THINKS you want from him (I get that it's a training issue, gaits perhaps? he doesn't know. Maybe you punished him for something and he didn't know what it was and *guessed* wrong, but he's pretty worried about it. You know, it's a really rare instance for him. He's proud of that, of being your GOOD riding horse. That may be why this takes such importance for him. Whatever, he's worried, and I don't know that this is something humans can even figure out; he's made such a, frankly, ludicrous connection between your punishment and what he thinks he may have done. And a "punishment" is just something like a leg on him) that he's completely baffled and it's consuming his brain.

Edited to add: I asked again about his new barn, and he says that it's nice, he likes his friends. He's showing me the metal bar gate where he goes out, that's the single most importantt thing in his life.
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How big is that metal bar gate?

And it's funny that you say he's worried about some punishment. I can't remember the last time that I actually had to correct him about anything. He's terribly well behaved. Pawed a little tied to my trailer when I hauled him to meet the farrier yesterday at a strange barn. I growled at him and he quit. Hmm...