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Celebrity

Aug. 15, 2003, 10:10 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Tucked_Away:
I don't have a conformation shot of the boy, alas...plenty to pick apart there. But if anyone can explain/illustrate what makes a good shoulder, it would make me very happy indeed.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Besides the "45'" angle and the length from wither to point of shoulder (which should be similar if not the same as the humerous) You also need to look at the horses "arm" which is from its elbow to the point of shoulder.. this should cover at LEAST half the length of the actualt shoulder bone (from wither to point of shoulder) and the angle between the arm and shoulder should be 90'... am I making sense?? so make a triangle from elbow to point of shoulder to wither and there should be a 90' angle when the horse is standing square..If it is less than 90' than the horse is more likely to have a shorter step with minimal suspension..
Let me know if I need to rephrase this! hahaha..

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Little Indian

Aug. 15, 2003, 10:26 AM

alright. just put m at thebottom of the order. this is really quite helpful! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

*SERAPH*

Aug. 15, 2003, 10:54 AM

DreamBigEq37--

Finally! Again, sorry for the wait...

My first impressions on this big guy is this is a nicely balanced, short-coupled, short-backed horse with good muscle tone and is obviously well cared for. Beautiful bloom to coat! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif He looks relaxed, very relaxed, almost TOO relaxed! LOL! He looks, quite frankly, almost lethargic. He has a very kind eye and (yes I know he's been cooped up in a stall) does appear as if his favorite pastimes would be eating and getting loved on!

He has a lovely, elegantly molded head that is just perfectly sized for his body. He has a very pretty neck that is nicely muscled with a good topline (wonderful benefit from having been a stallion). I personally think his neck is not short; there is good length of rein from his poll to his withers. It might could be a smidgen longer but it balances his body very well the length it is. He has very good space for flexion at the throatlatch, which is beautifully tapered, and there is excellent width at the base of the neck. He is quite forward-headed, neck tends to be on the straight side and is tied in low.

He has a nicely sloping, deep shoulder that is laid-back. He has a vertical, long humerus which should give him the ability to pull his knees up well and also give him good reach. He does seem to naturally stand under and I think it may have to do with the length and steepness of his humerus--which are both good things! His forearm is a good length, nicely muscled, good large knee, short strong cannons, nice pastern length and slope; pastern angle seems a tad off from shoulder angle. Looks as if he could use more heel.

Love the way those longer, more vertical withers tie into the back. Even though it might look as though this guy may travel around with his head almost dragging the ground http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif, I'd bet under saddle he has very nice self-carriage in his front end.

Withers blend in very smoothly to short, broad back and there is much depth in the girth. Nice underline; length is longer than back. Excellent depth in the groin. Almost PERFECT loin, which is huge, broad, and short, and excellent lumbar span (where the last ribs are connected). I'm not sure why your guy would be a flat jumper as you said he was. He should, at least according to his conformation, have a good bascule over fences. Would love to see a pic of him jumping!

He has a very long, sloping croup--looks just a wee bit goose-rumped--huge, long pelvis with femur having almost equal length. The stifle is low and deep(lower than his elbow) and set directly under his hip as it should. This guy can "sit down" well and come under himself. Good short, strongly muscled, angled gaskins. Huge hocks that are well let down; he does appear somewhat straight-hocked and he toes out quite a bit which may make him somewhat cowhocked. Big cannons and joints, nice slope to pasterns, and a nice large hoof which looks a tad underslung. All in all, a very powerful hind-quarter.

This guy is a very nice horse! I really couldn't find many conformational flaws. I do think he'd be a lovely dressage horse, but he certainly should be extremely capable in any discipline. Kudos to having a very lovely guy! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

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Emstah

Aug. 15, 2003, 11:06 AM

Celebrity- Very nicely explained.

Czar- "What exactly is a horse's elbow?" I don't know if this has been answered but a horse's elbow is what you may think of as his armpit. It's where his front leg meets his shoulder. It's just in front of where the girth would be... hummm. Here (http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/emstah22/vwp?.dir=/Katahdin&.dnm=IM000020.jpg&.view=t), I cropped a picture of my guy to show his elbow. Hope that helps. (please correct me if I'm wrong!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

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Aug. 15, 2003, 11:41 AM

Not to change the subject from critiqueing, but this is just to show y'all what I think close to perfect conformation looks like--of course, this type of conformation is most suitable for jumpers/dressage--he wouldn't probably do very well trying to cut cows! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www.nawpn.org/Rousseau.pdf

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monami

Aug. 15, 2003, 01:51 PM

How about a baby?

http://www.digitalpoint.com/~robinq/gallery/baby

DreamBigEq37

Aug. 15, 2003, 06:09 PM

Thanks SERAPH http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Yes, eating and getting loved on ARE his favorite pastimes, I wouldn't call him lethargic though, might just be the picture, he is quite the active guy! He is though, what one would call quite the easy keeper!

I'm just going to go through with my comments in order of your post!

I had a couple questions.. you say his pastern angle seems a tad off from his shoulder angle, could you explain that, I'm not quite sure what that means.
I agree that he could use more heel. New farrier just started and he has been mentioning ways to give him a little more heel.
You hit the nail on the head with him having nice self-carriage in his front end, he has the lightest front end of ANY horse I have ever ridden.
Could you explain the "lumbar span" and what makes a good loin a little more thoroughly?
I will see if I can find a picture of his average jumping style and get it online, I had a free picturetrail album but it quit on me! I think possibly the flat jumping could be a result of not being very challenged. He has a lot of ability and the last year I did 3'0" and have just this year started to get into the 3'6" with him as he was injured, he does jump better over the 3'6".
You definitely nailed his back end also. I had realized most of those things, except for the goose-rumped, and now that I look at it I think you are correct.
Thank you for your compliments! I definitely agree he would make a nice dressage horse, as that's what he was bred and started for, and he actually teaches ME a little dressage here and there, and I would like to get involved in some serious dressage lessons when he gets back into work. He loves what he does though, and I think he would get cranky doing only dressage as jumping is his life!
Thanks again, you are great!

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Aug. 16, 2003, 08:21 AM

Would you consider taking a look at my mare Pog's conformation?

Here are a few links:

Right side, May 2002 (http://www.encompassdesign.com/private/images/pog_may05_2002.jpg)

A comparison: left pic March 2001; right pic May 2002 (http://www.encompassdesign.com/private/images/pog2001_2002.jpg)

Left side, June 2002 (http://www.encompassdesign.com/private/images/Pog_show.jpg)

Head shot (http://www.encompassdesign.com/private/images/head_shot2.jpg)

I really need to take some more current shots, as that look of weakness in her loin is even further minimized with another year of good work!

Short history: 'Pog' (registered TB 'Mystical Pagan') came to me at 10 y.o. unraced, unbroke. Backed at 10 1/2 y.o., she had some chiro issues with the SI/loin now resolved. She's a sweet, brave powerhouse standing 16.1hh. Her movement isn't daisy cutter and we're doing basic dressage and cross-training jumping, though she pinned 2nd in a hunter flat class recently. Jumping seems to be no problem, we've gone up to a single 3'6" fence recently with no issues. She has pinned in every dressage show (schooling) that we've entered

Comments on her conformation? Ideal usage/discipline for her in your opinion? I'm thinking combined shows, possibly (very possibly) some low eventing if I can get enough guts together for x-country.

There are a few small things I feel could be improved, and I have a stallion picked out to compliment her upon her retirement.

Have at her! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[edit] At the request of easyjumper I managed to get a jumping shot today (darn timing with a delayed shutter digital camera! I only got one good shot and I'm afraid it's a little past the apex of her jump). It's a 3'6" fence:

Pog jumping (http://www.encompassdesign.com/private/images/pog_jump_2003sm.jpg)

Also, new conformation type shot from today:

Standing up, left side 2003 (http://www.encompassdesign.com/private/images/pog_stand_2003sm.jpg)
(don't mind the sweat marks - it was hot today and she already worked out under saddle)

If more motion shots are helpful, here she is moseying along at a trot across the arena:

Trotting (http://www.encompassdesign.com/private/images/pog_trot_2003sm.jpg)

And... The character shot, posing at the end of the arena, looking out the window (http://www.encompassdesign.com/private/images/pog_look_2003sm.jpg) http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Thanks again all.

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[This message was edited by DH on Aug. 18, 2003 at 12:03 AM.]

~*CookiE*~

Aug. 16, 2003, 09:16 AM

here is a good example of a long back, weak looking loin. If someone could draw the box on her, that would be great. I know these pics aren't the best for Critiquing as she's not set up properly, here it is anyway.
head is twisted, but a nice shot. (http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/f7b764ab/bc/My+Photos/NIce.jpg?bc_ylP_AUy1Jqjp_)
faded, and far. (http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/f7b764ab/bc/My+Photos/ag06.jpg?bcwzlP_AyDwTyOYx)

I think she requires better muscle in her top line, and loins, but her legs are nice and straight. These pictures were taken with 2 weeks of undersaddle training. previous to that, she was 600++ lbs underweight. So please excuse the slight thin-ness.
here is a more recent photo
nice and shiny. (http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/f7b764ab/bc/My+Photos/Cookie3new---1.jpg?bc55lP_A9h9iiwXj)
and a butt comparison.
before (http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/f7b764ab/bc/My+Photos/ag10.jpg?bcs7lP_AEwWdkigJ)
after (http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/f7b764ab/bc/My+Photos/cookiebumnew.jpg?bcN8lP_AfFWE4POZ)
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Impromptu

Aug. 16, 2003, 11:21 AM

Does anyone want to have a field day with Nona? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif
Her pictures are on page 1 (http://chronicleforums.com/groupee/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=6656094911&f=5206053911&m=94260716&p=1)

Thanks!

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MistyBlue

Aug. 16, 2003, 12:16 PM

Seraph:
I'm way back in the pages somewhere around page 2-4 or so. I had posted my NAWPN mare....but after seeing Rousseau (again, I've been checking out sires) I already have my answer, LOL! My mare does NOT look like that! More like an equine version of Ru Paul's and Bea Arthur's love child. Big, massize boned, oversized old style lady. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Anywho, just wanted to say I've always been interested in conformation ad am usually decent in picking out a nicely conformed horse, for what purpose I want to have it for. But I've never learned so much about conformation than I have on here through this thread. I've been reading along with the whole thing and check it at least once a day. Thanks for sharing your time and effort so graciously with the rest of us. Whether you get to each individual horse or not...you've provided enough basics for the rest of us to apply to our own horses on our own to get a general idea. You're doing a great job!

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MistyBlue

Aug. 16, 2003, 12:28 PM

And MCM, and Seraph:
If you guys are looking for a horse that's built a bit off the beaten path in the WB field...say an 'old fashioned' gelderlander type (at least that's what everyone tells me I've got, I'm new to WB's) then please feel free to critique my mare. She was posted before but might have gotten lost in the shuffle. She's not as 'pretty, round and eyecatching' as most of the horse's I've seen on here and might prove more of a challenge. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif She's still a bit out of shape, which we've been working on. She needs more muscle in her hind end. but she's was definitely too thin when I bought her and we're trying to do everything slowly as she's just turned 15 and due to her size and age I don't want to shock her joints. Anywho, if you'd like a challenge type conformation, please feel free to be candid with my girl:
(both sides)
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Aug/20038162992154444567553.jpg
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Aug/20038169767963275229719.jpg

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easyjumper1

Aug. 16, 2003, 02:35 PM

Dh- Lovely mare! Especially in that first picture! And wow, that comparison pic.! You did a really good job with her! I think she's got a lovely shoulder and butt (although she could use a little more muscle I think http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ). She looks quite warmblood-y. (No real critique from me, sorry http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif , I don't know all the terms in English) Do you have any photos over fences of her? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Emstah

Aug. 16, 2003, 02:48 PM

Wow- Seraph, you have your work cut out for you! Are there any other conformation experts (or just anyone with opinions) out there who could offer their thoughts as well? Can't wait to see what you have to say about Tahd (http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/emstah22/lst?.dir=/Katahdin&.view=t) if you get a chance http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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just_me

Aug. 16, 2003, 07:09 PM

Martha, you started this thread, but I haven't seen any post from you on it in awhile. It's a great thread, are you still around?

And thanks again SERAPH for all your interesting input.

Aug. 17, 2003, 08:44 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by easyjumper1:
Dh- Lovely mare! Especially in that first picture! And wow, that comparison pic.! You did a really good job with her! I think she's got a lovely shoulder and butt (although she could use a little more muscle I think http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ). She looks quite warmblood-y. (No real critique from me, sorry http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif , I don't know all the terms in English) Do you have any photos over fences of her? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks easyjumper1! I appreciate you taking the time to look and comment. I loff her.

It's amazing, now that WBs are so 'in' around here, people are always asking if she's a WB cross. I'm really hoping that the confo addicts around here will have a look at her.

I'm going to see if I can get some jumping shots today for you. I'll see if I can send her through a jump chute and man the camera all at the same time! My heart belongs in dressage, so I haven't done that much jumping with her to date...so I don't have any over fences shots right now, but this is as good a time as any!

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In The Gate

Aug. 17, 2003, 04:46 PM

Here's Addie, a 10 y/o TB mare. Critique away.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/86135242/86146518CjlCLX
http://community.webshots.com/photo/86135242/86146645LQiAAp
http://community.webshots.com/photo/86135242/86144812OnMYaq
http://community.webshots.com/photo/86135242/86145253dnyTDS

Sorry they're not great conformation shots.

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*SERAPH*

Aug. 17, 2003, 08:15 PM

You guys are welcome!!!

I love taking part in this thread. I will critique starting tomorrow.

Again, thanks so much for allowing me to have sich a blast! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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*SERAPH*

Aug. 17, 2003, 08:17 PM

MistyBlue (Quote):

"If you guys are looking for a horse that's built a bit off the beaten path in the WB field...say an 'old fashioned' gelderlander type (at least that's what everyone tells me I've got, I'm new to WB's) then please feel free to critique my mare."

I can't wait to get to your mare! And I have quite an interesting reason why! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Aug. 17, 2003, 09:00 PM

easyjumper > I justed updated my post with the links on page 13 with a jumping pic I managed to capture this afternoon. I thought I would keep all the links in one post to keep everything together http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I was due to take a few pics for 2003 I think! Thanks for the motivation.

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easyjumper1

Aug. 18, 2003, 12:10 AM

Dh- Sure thing http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Too bad the photo was taken a bit late, but she appears to have some scope http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif And she lowers her neck nicely.
Good luck with her! I loff mares too.

MistyBlue

Aug. 18, 2003, 02:42 PM

Seraph,
"I can't wait to get to your mare! And I have quite an interesting reason why!"

Should I be nervous? :P
I know she doesn't look a lot like the modern types you see all over these days. I love that big boney red horse...but she sure gets some odd comments and looks at times, LOL!

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Emstah

Aug. 20, 2003, 05:40 AM

Hey wait! What happened to this thread?! We were learning so much and also just getting to my boy! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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just_me

Aug. 20, 2003, 06:03 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Emstah:
Hey wait! What happened to this thread?! We were learning so much and also just getting to my boy! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hey, I agree. My boy is next. I'm soooo curious about him. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Impromptu

Aug. 20, 2003, 04:37 PM

Wait! What about Nona?? Her pictures are on page one and she would love to hear what you all think of her http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif- plus she doesn't feel good today- maybe someone picking on her will cheer her up?!? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Sara. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Cowgirl

Aug. 21, 2003, 11:47 AM

Results from the dansk varmblod grading of my mare on August 16:

Rideability (F (foreign rider)) 7.0
Capacity (F) 7.0
Rideability (D) 7.5
Walk (D) 6.5
Trot (D) 6.5
Canter (D) 7.0
Capacity (D) 7.0

Jumping technique (D) 6.5
Jumping capacity (D) 6.0

Rideability total 714.7
Paces total 675.8
Jumping total 625.8
Total result 672.1

RDS 7677 66 6.5 6.5 7 7

These scores are very average and she is in the main mare book. BUT, I do think it's not the best indication of how successful she will be, since she's only three and not fully grown yet. So I am satisfied.

I still have not heard from the breeder though, I think he must be disappointed as we all expected much higher scores.

MdLib

Aug. 21, 2003, 02:53 PM

Congrats, Cowgirl on your mare's good, consistent scores! She is a lovely, well-muscled, well-bred, young horse; I think her breeder should be pleased.

Pol

Aug. 21, 2003, 04:15 PM

I am waiting and waiting to see what you have to say about that cute bay TB of EMSTAH's. That thing is LOVELY, IMHO!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Emstah

Aug. 23, 2003, 07:01 AM

I guess this thread is really dead... It was fun while it lasted http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif Thanks for all the insight, it was very educational http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

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frugalannie

Aug. 25, 2003, 12:56 PM

Well, if this thread is dead, I want to attend the wake. Thank you all for furthering my conformation education. The submissions, line drawings, additional "example" photos and evaluations have been priceless. I'll be hoping that you experts start another someday soon so I can keep learning.

LEP Enterprises, LLC

Aug. 28, 2003, 02:02 PM

Mistyblue,

I took a look at your mare, she is very flashy! I wasn't sure what you meant by old fashioned type - maybe the fact that she REALLY has a lot of bone? Would love to see her bred to a lovely TB stud...mmm cute baby!

I can't really see what her face looks like, but her head is definately the right size for her body.

The good points --

I really like her front half. Basically the part of her from her poll back to the end of her withers is lovely. Her neck is set on nice and high and is a good length for her size, I like her shoulder, and her front legs appear to be very straight.

I am less crazy about portions of her middle and back half. Her legs seem to be a little "behind" her -- but it could be the way she is standing. She gives the impression of being a little long in the loin - which might make her less athletic and able to get under herself (for say dressage). She could also get sore sometimes if you are not careful.

I like the curve of her butt and the dimple of muscle (am forgetting the confirmation term!) -- not her croup, but what curves below that. She's got nice muscling there and would probably be very strong if you wanted to jump her. It is just hard to judge what is going on with those back legs because in the picture I am looking at, the leg closer to me is back a bit. I would not imagine that she has a classic hunter canter - maybe a jumper type stride?

It has been a long time since I studied confirmation -- but back in the day I was the regional champion junior judge (arabian junior judging competitions). I actually won my first horse by winning the regional championship. hehe. Sure miss that horse, he was a lover.

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[This message was edited by LEPEnterprises on Aug. 29, 2003 at 03:33 PM.]

LEP Enterprises, LLC

Aug. 28, 2003, 02:17 PM

Cowgirl,

I just wanted to add that the picture of your horse at 15 months, compared to the pictures at two and a half and 3, shows how much a horse's confirmation changes while it is growing.

at 15 months I would have faulted your filly for having a long back and not having her back legs properly underneath her. Now that's she has grown up, she's adorable and very well proportioned.

She's going to get bigger than 15'2 -- I bet she's not done growing until she's 5!!!

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MistyBlue

Aug. 28, 2003, 06:25 PM

LEP: Thanks for comments on Gal!
Yes, she does have a LOT of bone. I've had her about a year now, and when I bought her she had been turned out and not ridden for 18 months. She was purchased by the last owners as a broodmare, but right after she arrived there was an illness in the family and all operations stopped at the breeding farm. Before that she was owned by someone who showed her dressage. According to her sales video from a couple of owners ago, she's doing 3rd level moves, however being brand new to dressage I had to ask an expert what 3rd level even entailed.
I've been working hard muscling her up and am still trying to muscle her back up a bit more. Just learning dressage, I'm not very proficient at it yet at all. I'm a former jumper rider, so we have dabbled in jumping but she's just learning. She's got a lot of go in all her strides once you get her lazy butt moving, LOL! Not a hunter stride in her repertoir, though. Her trot is huge, and considering I'm not capable talent-wise to get that slower collected canter her current canter is very forward with great big strides. Very jumper-y, but not much of a turning ratio. She can tend to get a bit sore on occassion in her hind end.
I;m horrid at conformation shots...and she always stretches that one leg out in pictures. We joke that she must be very proud of that leg!
We are breeding her spring 2004, and are just beginning contact for a contract for Iroko. If we breed again the next year or so after...a TB is definitely a possibility. Have no idea who, but maybe one of the color breeders out there might like to see lots of chrome on a colored foal?

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Esprit

Aug. 30, 2003, 09:18 AM

This is our Art Deco filly at 18 months old. This filly has never gone through a bum high stage - but grew slowly and evenly. She's now 16 hands at 2 years old. I don't think she'll be bigger than 16.1 or 16.2 at best - but I'm happy with the slow and consistent growth.

I'd love to hear your comments. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[This message was edited by Esprit on Sep. 14, 2003 at 11:13 PM.]

Cowgirl

Aug. 30, 2003, 11:48 PM

Thanks. I was wrong about her height. She is much taller than I was told by my friend who saw her recently and took the last picture. Her official measurement at the grading was 168 cm--at age 3!!!! That's roughly...gulp...16.2!!!

She's a big girl.

mcmIV

Aug. 31, 2003, 12:09 PM

Esprit - your filly looks like a breyer horse. The photo is heavily editted - although the mare might not be editted.

She is cute at first glance. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I wonder if anyone might take a look at THIS horse. I have a personal interest in getting a grip on his conformation. Any takers?

I'm a little torn on the quality of his build. I think I might be too "close" to the situation for right now!

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just_me

Aug. 31, 2003, 01:08 PM

mcmIV, I don't know if I'm the only one, but I'm having trouble viewing your photo. Only part of it displays.

mcmIV

Aug. 31, 2003, 01:12 PM

I just fixed it! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif it was happening to me too... thanks for mentioning it. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Esprit

Aug. 31, 2003, 02:43 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by mcmIV:
Esprit - your filly looks like a breyer horse. The photo is heavily editted - although the mare might not be editted.

She is cute at first glance. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wouldn't edit the mare - the background was not nice so the photographer took it out - here is the original...

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just_me

Aug. 31, 2003, 04:19 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by mcmIV:
I wonder if anyone might take a look at THIS horse. I have a personal interest in getting a grip on his conformation. Any takers?
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I really don't know much (this thread has been great to read), but there's something odd about this horse's back. Also, is there something wrong with it's left hind foot? I'd love to read replies by others who know this stuff.

BTW, is anyone going to critique Harvey? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif
He was supposed to be done next.

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Sep. 1, 2003, 08:33 AM

Espirt,

I love your mare, she's soo feminine looking!

You are so lucky she's not doing any of that awkward stage growth that makes you feel like you bought a yak!

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Esprit

Sep. 2, 2003, 06:00 AM

Thank you. I do have a colt that is making up for it though - one growth spurt after another - I'm hoping that he'll be the ugly duckling - beautiful mature swan story... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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Sep. 2, 2003, 03:24 PM

Sorry you guys! I swear I didn't fall off the face of the earth...my German Shepherd just had 10 puppies (German Shepherd/German Shorthair Pointer cross--anyone want a puppy??? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif) which has kept me quite busy. I've been working with my stallion quite a bit as well.

So, I'm taking a break and thought I'd do some more critiques! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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*SERAPH*

Sep. 2, 2003, 03:51 PM

just_me--Harvey's critique:

This is a well-balanced, Thoroughbred in appearance guy. He's built slightly downhill and his whole topline could use more development but he's put together quite athletically.

He has a med.sized, somewhat plain though still refined head. He looks to have a strong-willed temperament, nice competitive eye! He has a very bold eye and looks as if he can haul quite hard to a jump. Yep, definitely has his own ideas about how things should get done. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

His straight neck has good length and is set on well. He could be a little more refined in the throatlatch but has adequate spacing there. (Does he crib, by chance?) His neck needs more development but ties in well to laid-back withers and ties in well below. The withers are well-defined and nicely sloping. He has nice depth at the chest. The scapula is a tad short and steep, his humerus is very vertical and long. Because of his laid back withers he should have quite a bit of reach and his longer, steeper forearm should give him the ability to pick up his front end quickly and tightly.

Good strong forelimbs could be a little longer; good large knees, cannons nice and stout. Large fetlock joints. Pasterns decent length but a tad steep. Hooves nice and large and open at the heel.

Again, bet this guy pulls his knees and elbows up tight over jumps! Certainly appears to have the capability to do so.

Good depth at girth, withers behind elbow gives scope, back med. in length. I personally do not see a roached back; I do see a very good, broad loin with a bit of length. The last rib ties in well to the vertebrae. In other words, he's well-connected to his "engine". He does have a jumpers bump. He has a long, sloping croup and large pelvis. Again, good "engine"!

Gaskin is short and well-muscled, he tends to be straight-legged and straight hocked in the hind-end. All-in-all, should produce much power behind with great thrusting ability. Also should have quite a bit of scope over bigger fences.

Looks like a jumper to me! I would love to see a pic of him jumping.

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*SERAPH*

Sep. 2, 2003, 04:24 PM

Emstah--here's your guy:

This guy is well-balanced, built uphill with a nice topline. He has a rather plain, heavier yet handsome head that compliments his build. All-in-all, his expression seems to convey sweetness and a gentle, workmanlike disposition. Looks like a lovebug! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

His neck is long and quite lovely, with a very good throatlatch, and is very well shaped. His neck ties in well to rather upright withers and ties in well below; would like to see more depth in chest. He does have good width at the chest with good spacing between the forelegs.

The scapula, point of shoulder to wither is quite steep, which ties into steep withers which are still nice and long. Good length to the humerus,which is also quite vertical, and the shoulder is well-muscled. I would expect that this guy may be somewhat limited in scope but still should move moderately well from the shoulder; I would expect some knee action and movement with lofty expression. The forearms are nice and long, though they appear rather thin for his body. The knee joints could be larger for such a large-bodied horse. His cannons are a bit long and light of bone, and also appear a bit tied-in below the knee. The fetlock joints could be larger, the pasterns are quite short and upright. Hooves look decently sized and look solid. Nice heel. He also appears slightly pidgeon-toed and the right cannon is offset under the knee. I wouldn't want to do much jumping with him as I would worry the activity would cause him soundness issues.

Good depth at the girth and groin. Withers are directly above elbow rather than behind which will limit him in scope.

Back is med.short in length. He has a very nice short and broad loin connection--strong back! He's tied in very well at the last rib. Should produce a lot of impulsion. Very large pelvis, with a long, slightly goose-rumped croup. Much power is generated here and this guy should have a lot of "sit down" power. Gaskin is nicely-muscled. He's a tad lengthy in the hind leg and quite angulated in the hocks; he's sickle-hocked which should (coupled with the length of his leg) give him quite an overreach from behind. He's slightly cowhocked.

He is in good weight and has a lovely bloom to his coat. I think this guy could do quite well in the collection movements of dressage.

One other thing; I noticed in one of the pics of him that the saddle really looks too far forward. I have a feeling this is partially why he is moving somewhat downhill. If his saddle sits too far foreward it impedes his shoulder and cause him to move in this fashion. Sliding it back some would allow him to lift his front-end much better and reach forward more from the hindquarter. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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just_me

Sep. 5, 2003, 01:24 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by *SERAPH*:
just_me--Harvey's critique:

He has a med.sized, somewhat plain though still refined head. He looks to have a strong-willed temperament, nice competitive eye! He has a very bold eye and looks as if he can haul quite hard to a jump. Yep, definitely has his own ideas about how things should get done. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thank you SERAPH. You must be psychic. You absolutely pegged him in the above paragraph. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

He is very athletic. He has a large stride, and really powers off his hind end when he jumps. I don't jump him very high, but my daughter and our trainer have him going over 4 ft.

He doesn't crib, but you're right about him being able to pick up his front end quickly and tightly.

You're also right about him being a jumper. My daughter recently took him in his first training jumper division and got reserve.

I'm really amazed. I don't know enough to judge a horse's confirmation, but your comments on his ability based on his confirmation are all on the money.

Here's a picture of him jumping with my daughter riding.