Jingles for my Twin please, 6/6 RIP little Pooh and Piglet 6/13

[treasmare]

Jingles from Nova Scotia.............

[LEP Enterprises, LLC]

Hold on there Piglet!

Now I was told that if a horse gets septic infection that if you clear it up fast enough with antibiotics they won't have permanent injury. Is tht true? I certainly hope so for little Piglet...

/jingle jingle

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[flshgordon]

Not to be negative, but this year SUCKS!!!!!!

You are getting more than your share of bad news this year Liz, next year you are due for some real payback in the other direction!!!

LEP, yes it is possible for a horse to COMPLETELY recover from a septic infection. My mare did two years ago---after a month in the hospital and 6+ months of "rehab" via MOI. Everything was fine.....of course that was until she decided to slice her other leg up and spend 3 more weeks in the hospital this year!

GOOD LUCK little Piglet http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Portia]

More jingles from here for Piglet.

[pintofoal]

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I have just been advised by the vets to give the OK to put Piglet down. He has not made any progress and is getting worse, he is also starting to be unable to get up because of the swelling in his joints, none of the antibotics have worked.

Good bye my boys you will be together now like you where before.

Liz Hall silverwoodfarm.com (http://silverwoodfarm.com)
Pinto & Colored Warmbloods Stallions

[Lisamarie8]

Liz i'm so sorry http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif this is just too too sad http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

--- My most endearing quality lies in my willingness to humiliate myself

[WingedPanda]

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif Poor little guys. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Sorry you have to go through this - how awful to lose both of them.

One of the lessons of history is that Nothing is often a good thing to do and always a clever thing to say.
- Will Durant

[atom]

I´m so sorry Liz for you and the boys- prayers to you http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

Mandy
Home of Atom
Equus Kinsky Warmblood

[Nancy!]

(((Pintofoal)))

I am so sorry to hear about Piglet. Sometimes the best thing for them is the hardest thing for us. I'm sure they are happy to be together again and will be waiting at the rainbow bridge when you get there.

We also lost 2 foals this year and it has been extremely hard. My thoughts are with you in this very difficult time. Hope Tigger is coping.

Nancy!

www.diamondrpaints.com (http://www.diamondrpaints.com)

[Sandbarhorse]

So very, very sorry about your loss of Pooh and Piglet. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

This has been a horrible year and the loss of these two has tears in my eyes here in my office. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif I'm sure my office mates will think I'm nuts if I tell them why.

Cyber hugs to you Liz and don't forget that you did everything possible for them.

[CluesGirl]

I am so sorry.
You are a truly devoted and compassionate horsewoman. How terribly tragic to have to go through this.

The boys certainly are together, and wobbling around, jumping and playing. Keep the faith and be strong. There are better things in store for you.

A friend will help you move.
A really good friend will help you move a body.

[Spot]

I am SO sorry Liz http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

You and the vets did everything that you possibly could ...

{{{HUGS}}}

"Spot"

[PaulaM]

I am so sorry, it is hard enough to lose one of them, but to lose them both, must truly be devastating to you.

[aurum]

So sorry to hear these devastating news Liz. I was so very much hoping one of your boys would make it and not die like my two. It is not a good year and it seems that there are a lot of twins born this year. I hope for some of them the outcome is better than for Liz and mine.

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[Jeni]

Oh God....I am so sorry for you, Piglet, Pooh and Tigger.

I am crying for all of you...{{{HUGS}}}

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[Bugs-n-Frodo]

Liz, I am so sorry, that is terrible news. I hope Tigger is doing well under the circumstances. Hang in there.

~Amy, Bugs and Frodo~

[Portia]

Oh Liz. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Rest in peace with your brother, little one.

[Iron Gate Farm]

I just read about little "Piglet". I'm so sorry for your loss! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

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[arcadia]

I was so upset to see Piglet didn't make it. I have kept checking the updates daily, I cried for Pooh and now I am crying for Piglet.
I am so sorry for your loss.

I would rather laugh with the sinners, than cry with the saints - The Piano Man

[M.K.Smith]

I'm so sorry. I really hoped Piglet would make it. Just think, now the two brothers are happily romping together on the other side of the rainbow bridge- free of pain & happy.

MKB...

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[Independent Gal]

Hi there,

I have been through many struggles like you have undergone with foals and broodmares. It is truly a tough business on the heart. It is so hard to choose to draw the line with regards to HOW far you will go versus the chance that the foal will have a productive life. I truly am sorry for your losses.
If there is one thing we can learn as breeders from this, i believe heartache like this can be avoided and at least minimized if we routinely ULTRASOUNDED several times during a pregnancy. We ultrasound 14 days after breeding(to be able to pinch off twins), 24-26 days after breeding, ultrasound or palpate at 42 days, as well as 60 plus days we palpate to quadruple check. We also do a December palpation on our pregnant mares to ensure they have remained in foal. If at least two or three ultrasounds are given, there is virtually no chance of "missing" a hiding embryo. I'm not saying your situation was intentional twins, or failure to ultraound enough. I do not know your situation, but some people cause this to happen in the hopes they will have two "cute" foals on the ground. I think if people realized how dangerous and foolish it is to intentionally allow a twin pregnancy to carry on it would never happen and pain and suffering like this would need not happen to innocent horses.

Once again i am truly sorry for your loss.

[Dolce Vita]

Oh my goodness Liz, I am so sorry! I am now jingling for you and for Momma Mare.

I am out of school and can drive now, so if there is anything that I can do, e-mail me.

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Just ease your mind, have a banana or two
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[Fairview Horse Center]

Liz
I am very sorry to hear of the loss of both boys. We invest so much time and money into this dream, not to mention the investment of ourselves and especially our hearts. We take away from our families, and our future. It is such a huge gamble, and when it ends tragically like this, it is hard to justify going on. Hopefully you can comfort your self with thoughts of the good results, like your other surprize this year, and the loss will become not too much to bear.

Darlyn
http://www.fairviewhorsecenter.com

Are We Having Fun Yet?

[Fairview Horse Center]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Independent Gal:
Hi there,

If at least two or three ultrasounds are given, there is virtually no chance of "missing" a hiding embryo. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If only that were so... One of my breeders ultrasounded their mare 4 times, and still had twins abort late this winter.

Darlyn
http://www.fairviewhorsecenter.com

Are We Having Fun Yet?

[Twinkletozzz]

I'm very sad for you. What a hard loss this is.

[Draygonfyne]

Liz...I had so hoped to hear good news this afternoon. So sorry for your terrible losses. My thoughts are with both you and Tigger.

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[talloaks]

Oh Liz, I feel SO badly for you right now!! What a loss to lose 2 lovely colts and then the effort and expense involved in trying to save them!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif One never knows and it is all such a BIG GAMBLE!! At least you have your SURPRIZE FOAL!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif And I am one out of two for this year. Guess that is why the old saying is you have to breed two mares to get one foal!!! This is RISKY BUSINESS!! My condolences to you and if there is anything at all that I can do to help you out just let me know!!! Kindest regards, Bernie

"There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man." Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)

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[caryledee]

Oh no Liz! I was really hoping little Piglet was going to pull through http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
I am truly sorry for your loss.

[Tiki]

Independent Gal, you said <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I'm not saying your situation was intentional twins, or failure to ultraound enough. I do not know your situation, but some people cause this to happen in the hopes they will have two "cute" foals on the ground. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Perhaps you don't know Liz. She is a professional breeder who stands 6 stallions and about 10 mares of her own and has been doing this for quite a while. Unfortunately, even the best repro vets occassionally miss twins. This is just a tragic outcome of that eventuality.

Tranquility Farm (http://www.tranquilityfarm.com)
We don't have many, but the ones we have are nice

[Riven]

I am so sorry. What a tragedy. At least take comfort in the fact that you did everything possible for Piglet and Pooh.

www.rivendellfarms.ca (http://www.rivendellfarms.ca)

[Home Again Farm]

Dear Liz,

I've been away from the boards for a bit and am so very, very sorry to hear that you lost both of these babies. I know how much emotion, effort, time and money you put into trying to save first both, and then at least one of the babies. My heart goes out to you and the mama mare. HUGS to you both!

And to Independent Gal --

You are mistaken. Multiple ultrasounds do not always reveal twins. I know because several years ago I had a mare abort twins after many checks, and after what seemed to be a single, not double ovulation. I am sure you mean well, but Liz knows what she is doing and this sad result was never intended.

Mary Lou

http://www.homeagainfarm.com

[paxton]

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Liz I am so sorry. (((HUGS)))

[luckyduck]

Oh Liz,
I am just heartbroken for you. They join a herd of amazing and loved horses on Rainbow bridge. {{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}
Nicole

[Pokey]

Dear Liz,

I am so very sorry for your loss and all of the sadness and difficult times you have been through. You did everything within your ability to keep those little guys going, and I hope you can find some comfort in that. Being in the breeding business means that there is the inevitablity that these things will happen simply because that is the way of things. But the mere knowledge of that can never make the experience of it any easier. You have quite a bit of support here on the boards Liz, and we are all sending warm thoughts your way.

[vineyridge]

My condolences on the loss of both your twins. I was hoping that Piglet would manage to make it.

Still jingling for Tigger, just in case.

Thread killer Extraordinaire

[pintofoal]

Tigger is going home today with her owner Lauren. Tigger must be kept in isolation for a few weeks, they are afraid she maybe harboring the bad bugs that the boys had. I'm sure she will be OK but don't want to jinx her or her owner--seems like every time I was thinking things where getting better with this they only would get worse.

This whole thing has me so tired and sad, what a roller coaster ride it has been. Financially it has also been a hard hit. I just don't want to think about it any more for a while, I haven't even told my husband or daughter.
I did do an evil thing with the pig and my barn girl Helen today and that cheered me up a little.

I appreciate the post about sonogramming, believe me when I say this was not something I wanted, nor did this mare go unchecked. She was sonogramed both before and after breeding and it is something that got missed, it happens even to us "pros" and even the best vets can screw up.

Thanks again everyone for all your good thoughts, wishes, jingles, prayers and tears. It has helped tremendously

Liz Hall silverwoodfarm.com (http://silverwoodfarm.com)
Pinto & Colored Warmbloods Stallions

[carosello]

Liz im so sorry for your losses. Seems there are a great many being called to the Rainbow Bridge this season. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

[talloaks]

Liz, what evil thing did you do with the pig and your barn girl today that cheered you up????? Did you drop it in someone else's driveway???? Just curious!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

"There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man." Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)

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[Kovy]

OH NO! Not Piglet too http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif This is so unbelievably sad I can't stand it. I am afraid to read these boards lately, things have got to get better. I guess it just wasn't meant to be for Pooh and Piglet, that is how I had to look at the loss of my mares twins this year too. Hang in there Pintofoal, what doesn't kill you will make you stronger! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Silly Mommy]

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What exactly did you do with the pig?

Hakuna Matata!!!

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[Louise]

I'm so sorry Liz

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[crystalacresponies]

So sorry for the loss of your babies. Hope all is well with your mare. I feel your pain.

"Crystal Acres"
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[LawnOrnamentLuvr]

I'm so sorry about your twins Liz, I was hoping for the best. What a sad thing and how lucky they were to have you as a caretaker.
The double tragedy in a situation like this is you are left with bills that are often astronomical. (I've been there.) My deepest sympathy.

Lawny

[doublete]

Awww.. I'm so sorry.
This year (from reading on the BB) seems to be hitting the breeders hard.. Makes me nervous to have my mare out on a breeding lease for next year's foal. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

Retraining and rehabbing Off Track TB's.

[South Hill Stables]

Liz~ Just wanted to send our condolensces for you and the foals...both will be in our prayers...on the bright side we are so happy with our Art Deco grandson, he has that fabulous trot and is a beauty! Thanks for all you've done for the horse world. Sleep at night knowing that Pooh and Piglet are galloping in horse heaven, pain free...and once things go down, the only way to go is up. Best wishes.

South Hill Stables
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[HFSH]

Oooh Liz I am SO sorry. It's been a sucky year. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

In Memory of Remarkable (http://www.hopefulfarm.com/Indy.html)

[Nikita]

Liz I'm so sorry to hear about Piglet. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif How sad and heartbreaking to lose them both. Pooh & Piglet... take care of each other, ok?

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My mind not only wanders, it sometime leaves completely.

[Ladybug Hill]

In the beginning I was so sure they would make it. It is so terrible the suffering you and the foals have gone through. I hope that the financial aspect will work out okay.

I have to say it makes me feel a little better about myself to see such a wellknown and successful "big-time" breeder be so emotionally involved. Often, as a "small-time" breeder, I blame myself and feel so alone when things don't go as planned. Your story and the support that you have received here makes me realize that none of us are alone in the suffering we go through in this business.

Your foals were precious and will not be forgotten by any of us that have followed your day by day struggle.

Good luck with any remaining foals! And good luck to all here for a more happy season next year!

Chris

Ladybug Hill--Hunters and Ponies
Specializing in Palomino TBs

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[Adelita]

Oh Liz, I am so sorry. Your boys are in fine company this year, that's for sure.

(((((((((((hugs))))))))))

&gt;^.,.^&lt;
~~Linda

*~Inside some of us is a thin person struggling to get out, but they can usually be sedated with a few pieces of chocolate cake.*~

[frugalannie]

Liz:
I feel I've gotten to know you through your posts. I am so sorry for what you, Tigger and her owner have gone through. But I'm sure you have taken on the lion's share of the day to day burden. Most sincere condolences, and hopes for happiness in the future.

[OhioColleen]

Liz, this is so hearbreaking to me, and I only "know" your from your posts, and your horses from what you have said and your wonderful website; I can't imagine how heartbreaking it is for you. {{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}} and healing thoughts to you and yours..

ps- and fess up about the pig incident!

Just remember, if the world didn't suck, we would all fall off.
~Colleen

[Fred]

dear pintofoal, I am so sorry to hear that little Piglet didn't make it either. so sad. what a heartbreak. you did everything you could, and sometimes that is just not enough - as we all, too sadly, know.
Rest in Peace little laddies.
Gail

remembering Robby's beautiful Willow,who died one year ago. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

[All points]

Pintofoal: So sorry to hear about both your babies. From someone with fellow foal heartbreak.
{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

[jilltx]

I am so sorry for the loss of both of your beautiful foals!! How tragic. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[treasmare]

Sometimes life just doesn't make any sense. Feeling so sad for you but in the end all we can do is do what we can and the rest will just be what it will be. So very very sad for you.

[canadian eh?]

Oh gosh..... terrible news.... so so sorry to hear about Piglet.

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[fullmoon fever]

pintofoal - I have just been catching up here and I'm so saddened to read the past few pages about poor Piglet. I am so sorry for your double loss. I'm sure my crying isn't doing you any good and hubby is looking at me like I've lost my mind... again. :*(

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[Jaguar]

I have not been on the board for a few days and this is all soo sooo sad. Your boys were soo beautiful and it really is a shame that they couldnt have made it, But they are in a better place now

And together......

Not that it helps much, but I will say a prayer for Tigger to make sure that she stays the way she is and continues to benefit from TLC, and gets well soon

Im sorry this is so belated, i just caught up....again, im soo soo sorry for your losses

"I hope you will grow up to be gentle and good, and never learn bad ways, do your work with good will, lift your feet up well when you trot, and never bite or kick even in play."
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[onetempies]

Oh Liz, I'm so sorry that you lost Piglet too. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I will keep Tigger in my thoughts and hope that she stays healthy. How is she doing?

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It's a bay COLT! 5-6-03 by Lacoste.

[Hexel]

Liz I'm so sorry for your loss of both twins. You are a strong person ,after all you are a breeder. It takes a strength and tenacity that not everyone has or understands to withstand these losses and be able to move forward again.
Sincerly wishing you better breeding days ahead.

[sid]

Liz,

I've been following your story and was so hoping for a different outcome for you and these babies.

I'm so, so sorry.

Susan Doner, Little Bull Run Farm. Standing Boleem, Argosy and King's Camelot. www.littlebullrun.com (http://www.littlebullrun.com)

[BarnBrat]

This is soo sad! I am soo sorry for both of your babies. I am praying for the mare, this must be so hard on her. I am sorry it had to drag out so long, I can only imagine how terribly hard this has been for you. Stay strong!

Mares Rule!

[ShowBiz]

I am so sorry Liz. This has made my heart hurt, those little foals were so sweet looking. Please get some rest. What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger.


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I love my new partner!
1999 17.1h, Dutch Warmblood (Rubinstein/Ladykiller/Vosmaer).

[crestline]

Liz-
I'm so sorry...with my own disaster I hadn't had time to read the latest on poor Piglet...what a total bummer...what a shame that they couldn't get him through it. Keep in mind you did all you could for him...and be thankful that you still have the mare!

Also...just to second some of the responses to Independent Gal....we just lost one of our best mares and twins on Saturday...our mare was full of cysts so an excellent repro specialist checked this mare with FOUR! ultrasounds between 16-32 days...and still one got missed...sometimes twins are just sneaky the way the look and yes, even the best vet can miss them despite all precautions. Just part of the risk we all take.....

Liz...I think we should both just hop on a plane to the Bahamas...or perhaps Hawaii....and and go have a good stiff drink....

Andrea Clibborn-Anderson
www.crestlinefarm.com (http://www.crestlinefarm.com)
Home of Pinto Dutch Warmblood Palladio and Oldenburg stallion Grand Memory

[Esprit]

Liz

I've just returned from a few days away and read the latest news. I just wanted to add my heartfelt condolences on little Piglet. Best of luck from here on in - and best wishes to poor Tigger for a complete recovery.

http://www.fieldstone-farm.com

[Bentley]

Liz this must be absolutely heartbreaking for you. So sorry for the losses of little Piglet and Pooh and I'll keep my fingers crossed that Tigger gets a clean bill of health. That poor mare has been through enough losing both of her babies. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

And please do fill us on on what you did to the pig http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Alixe

[Thalia4Welsh]

I am so sorry to hear of your double loss, Liz. It is just so hard. Thalia

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Alachua, FL

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