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Hunterman1
Aug. 21, 2003, 06:17 AM
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifHey Guys what a GREAT ad that is for Salamandar Farm in this weeks Chronicle. That Paige is a very lucky girl to have had those wonderful horses. And a Great rider as well. Can not wait to see her in the Adults.. Hopefully. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif best of luck indoors....

Hunterman1
Aug. 21, 2003, 06:17 AM
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifHey Guys what a GREAT ad that is for Salamandar Farm in this weeks Chronicle. That Paige is a very lucky girl to have had those wonderful horses. And a Great rider as well. Can not wait to see her in the Adults.. Hopefully. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif best of luck indoors....

good booie
Aug. 21, 2003, 06:26 AM
Just a random question.

Why did they not mention the breed of the two horses??

Love my Quarter Horse!

GA Clique!!!

MissingInAction
Aug. 21, 2003, 06:43 AM
May be it's just me, but remeber what happened last time this subject came up... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Anyway, she is a great rider and has great horses.

good booie~ I've noticed that on a lot of ads that the breed isn't listed. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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Nickelodian
Aug. 21, 2003, 06:46 AM
customfine -- I remember as well, but all the same beautiful horses, great rider....

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Anticipation
Aug. 21, 2003, 07:05 AM
I WANT SKYY!!!!

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Hopeful Hunter
Aug. 21, 2003, 07:48 AM
I saw the ad -- VERY well done, IMO.

Is Paige getting out of horses? Or just moving on to different mounts? I'm not in that loop, but I do admire both the horses and rider so I was wondering.....

QueenMother
Aug. 21, 2003, 10:00 AM
My guess is that Page is aging out of the juniors; therefore she doesn't need an equitation horse or small junior. she still has several hunters and several jumpers.

As for the ad being "well done" -- its a ad. Its intended to sell two very expensive horses. What makes it more well done than any other?

Nirvana
Aug. 21, 2003, 10:01 AM
any chance someone could scan and post it here???

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everyequine
Aug. 21, 2003, 10:20 AM
Hi I didn't see the ad, but there's a great article on Paige's mom in Ebony this month......... place is gorgeous!!!! Very impressive family!!! Stunning horses!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

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Hopeful Hunter
Aug. 21, 2003, 10:27 AM
Why is the ad well done? Welll.....

It's eye catching. The horses are presented well, the pages are laid out nicely. There is an impression of clean, uncluttered elegance -- very appropriate imo to selling a hunter. It does what an ad -- for ANY product -- should do. It makes you look at it.

Piper
Aug. 21, 2003, 10:40 AM
I agree and I did more than looked, I drooled. Very classy.

SAM
Aug. 21, 2003, 12:16 PM
How old is she? I didn't know she was going to age out already.

dab
Aug. 21, 2003, 12:37 PM
Paige is aging out?! -- I'm feeling OLD again -- Seems like it wasn't long ago that I began noticing her as one of the top juniors and realized she was still in the younger group -- Does Charlie Jayne age out this winter or next? --

SimpleMinded
Aug. 21, 2003, 12:37 PM
I believe she is 17, or at least she was when she rode in the GP of Lake Placid.

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Giddy-up
Aug. 21, 2003, 12:43 PM
I believe Charlie Jayne has one more year. Ohh, where is the COTH?? What's wrong with the mail man??? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif

Court@HJ-OH
Aug. 21, 2003, 03:54 PM
I am pretty sure she has one more year. Her mom is always saying how they are working towards the olympics one day so she is probably just selling to concentrate more on the jumpers.

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critter915
Aug. 21, 2003, 04:10 PM
I WANT SKYY SO BADLY!!!

I showed the add to my mom and dad and even them(non-horsey, mind you) were staring a little googley eyed at it....and my mom said, "well, you don't think he's that much do you? b/c if he isn't we can go look at him b/c he's in Va."(we're looking...my pony's too small, or I'm too big, I don't know...)

MountainDew
Aug. 21, 2003, 05:02 PM
"not that much"????

Skyy- priced close to a million probably- since he was bought for over half that. NICE HORSE btw.

Whatever happened to Dialog?

stop4
Aug. 21, 2003, 05:12 PM
i think shes saying that it is obviouse that her parents dont know anything if they thought skyy wouldnt be expensive

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Peggy
Aug. 21, 2003, 07:17 PM
Haven't seen this ad, but the last one was very classily laid out. They muted the background on the photos and made it the same color as the background in the rest of the ad. As a result, the horse and jump really "jump" out of the page at you.

2487lyf
Aug. 21, 2003, 08:22 PM
I think the reason no one says the breed anymore is because they want you to look at the horse if you think you might like him, not look at the breed and say no, since so many people favor this breed or that breed.

I love Skyy too!

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stop4
Aug. 22, 2003, 04:04 PM
they are nice horses and it doesnt matter what breed they are so they dont need to put it in, her horses are already famouse... not like she has to prove them by telling their breeding

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Heather Dobbs
Aug. 23, 2003, 05:51 AM
consider me a member of the i-want-skyy club, lol http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

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Chldrnshntr07
Aug. 23, 2003, 07:19 AM
personally, i want the eq horse lol

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domino
Aug. 23, 2003, 07:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chldrnshntr07:
personally, i want the eq horse lol

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yeah, same here. forget the hunter, i am in love with pacific d

Glimmerglass
Aug. 23, 2003, 08:46 AM
I'm not sure what role Paige will have, but the attention of her mother has been on the massive Salamander Inn (Middleburg) spa project which will have a large equestrain component. Perhaps they are scaling back due to the constraints of time?

Lovely ad, but I must say that it is exceptionally inappropriate for Mrs. Johnson to use the "Dr." title when its an honorary doctorate in the humanities. Otherwise its a perfect example of a clean, well presented sale advertisement http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Duffy
Aug. 23, 2003, 08:54 AM
Agree totally with your second paragraph, Glimmer! Ever time I've seen that in print, I've cringed.

Unless something dramatic has changed, Ms. Johnson has always planned for Paige to ride in the Olympics. I'm sure her linen line and spa/resort will take a bit of her time, as will some Middleburg PR. Who knows.

Oh, and I'd be happy to take any of her horses off her hands. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

"B***h in training"

2ndyrgal
Aug. 23, 2003, 11:50 AM
The ad is lovely, and from what I gather the rider is quite talented and the horses certainly look lovely. Why all the whining? And while the "Dr." title in print might not be terribly appropriate, if she has an honorary doctorate, in the humanities, she must have done something deserving of the honor, and is no doubt quite proud. Having said that, in a horse publication, I rather thought it was for an M.D. or DVM.
I don't move in the circles to have seen the rider compete or know the story, but it certainly looks high class. You gotta spend money to make money, you can't sell from an empty bucket.

buryinghill1
Aug. 23, 2003, 11:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Glimmerglass:
it is exceptionally inappropriate for Mrs. Johnson to use the "Dr." title <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Hmmm. I wonder if that online "university" (Phoenix?) gives out doctorates too.

stillwaiting
Aug. 23, 2003, 01:09 PM
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif Maybe I'll be Dr. stillwaiting. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Heather Dobbs
Aug. 23, 2003, 03:22 PM
i don't get it...if someone gives you the title "dr", whether its honorary or from college, isn't it yours to use? i've seen ppl with honoray degrees from speaking at colleges, and they hang up those degrees and no one has a problem with that. i guess thats different but its sort of the same, too.

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breezymeadow
Aug. 23, 2003, 03:59 PM
Oh PLEEEEZE. . .. .

Sheila Johnson is a very well-known personage in the horsey & philanthropic scene. If she had actually EARNED a doctorate in the humanities, than perhaps using the title would be understandable, although - really - most folks in that position add the appropriate title initials after their name, rather than "doctor".

However, for whatever reason(s), she was just "awarded" this doctorate (which, personally, I have to say I have always misunderstood, as to me it seems like a slap in the face to those folks who actually work their tails off earning these titles . . .. ). Many, many, many people - particularly in the performing arts - have been awarded these titles, & you don't see them crediting themselves as "doctor".

Let me also say, that as a worker & frequenter of Middleburg - pretty much everyone is laughing at her behind her back whenever the "doctor" title comes up in local conversation. It's ridiculous. Someone in her position shouldn't have to do something like this. Especially when the folks who don't have the clout she has don't even resort to it.

My body is a temple - unfortunately, it's a "fixer-upper".

2Dogs
Aug. 23, 2003, 04:03 PM
In the US, the DR prefix has almost exclusively been used for the Medical or Veterinary Doctor....although PhD.s use them in the university setting, the same (PhD's) rarely use the "Dr" moniker here. In Europe, PhD's often use the "Dr" prefix.

Can't say I have seen honorary award receipients use their degree to attach a "Dr" to their name before....

From Mudsville, USA

HorseeHunter
Aug. 23, 2003, 04:15 PM
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Nickelodian
Aug. 23, 2003, 04:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 2Dogs:
In the US, the DR prefix has almost exclusively been used for the Medical or Veterinary Doctor....although PhD.s use them in the university setting, the same (PhD's) rarely use the "Dr" moniker here. In Europe, PhD's often use the "Dr" prefix.

Can't say I have seen honorary award receipients use their degree to attach a "Dr" to their name before....

From Mudsville, USA <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I somewhat disagree with this. My father is a PhD, and in formal circumstances goes by Dr. For example, on my wedding invitation we put Dr. on there b/c that really is his "official" title.

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Policy of Truth
Aug. 23, 2003, 05:22 PM
Guys, let's not be too hard on her http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It may be that she wasn't raised like some of us, knowing that it is innapropriate and socially unacceptable to use the title "Dr." without having done a thing to earn it.

Maybe a friend of hers could have a "girl talk" with her about it.

Alex Pakzad
Aug. 23, 2003, 05:28 PM
Why would someone have a "girl talk" with Paige about it? It's not like she did anything wrong. Besides, it was her Mom and not her who used the title, and I am sure she didn't design the add herself anyways. In my opinion it isn't that big of a deal. Also, I don't think we should talk about the way Paige was raised unless we know her personally. Pacificsolo, please don't take this the wrong way, I am not trying to be rude.

the eleven
Aug. 23, 2003, 05:29 PM
Personally, I could care less if she calls herself Dr. because it is none of my business. It has nothing to do with me and others can do as they choose.

That being said, I DO think it is terribly pretentious. First name + last name would have sufficed. I think that in instances (such as in the ad) where people do not normally use titles (such as Mr, Mrs, etc), you shouldn't use Dr. either, unless referring to a veterinarian.

I think that, generally speaking, using the title "Dr." is NOT always in good taste. I think it is appropriate for MDs, DVMs and PhDs when it is RELEVANT. I had an art professor who insisted that we not call him Dr. in class, since his PhD was in the humanities, not art.

But hey, whatever man.

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OneonOne
Aug. 23, 2003, 05:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alex Pakzad:
Why would someone have a "girl talk" with Paige about it? It's not like she did anything wrong. Besides, it was her Mom and not her who used the title, and I am sure she didn't design the add herself anyways. In my opinion it isn't that big of a deal. Also, I don't think we should talk about the way Paige was raised unless we know her personally. Pacificsolo, please don't take this the wrong way, I am not trying to be rude.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Alex, I don't think pacificsolo was referring to Paige, but rather, her mother should receive a "girl talk."

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Heather Dobbs
Aug. 23, 2003, 06:31 PM
it seems to be a little innappropriate to be talking about mrs. johnson like this when she isn't here to defend herself. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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J. Turner
Aug. 23, 2003, 07:02 PM
Most of my English professors who had doctorates never went by Dr. Although I had one professor, Mr. Jones, that everyone called Dr. Jones because he seemed so much like the Dr. Jones character played by Sean Connery in Indiana Jones.

On the other hand, I find that most PhDs in Education (esp. principals) go by doctor. My father hated our principal. In print, yearbooks, newspapers, his door, graduation, etc. he was always Dr. Brown, but No One called him that. My father always did and always will refer to him as MR. Brown. All the kids and teachers did too. He was a kinda dork who always had that white spit suspended between his upper and lower lip that got longer and shorter and he talked. YUK.

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LJD
Aug. 23, 2003, 07:06 PM
I want Skyy... have wanted him since Charlie Weaver won Devon on him four or five years ago. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Policy of Truth
Aug. 23, 2003, 07:29 PM
"Why would someone have a "girl talk" with Paige about it"

Um, I don't think I mentioned anything about Paige...the discussion is about her mother's innapropriate use of the title "Dr."

And if anyone is concerned about Mrs. Johnson not being here to defend herself, please, by all means, invite her. Maybe she could help us understand her misunderstanding of an honorary title.

Texan By The Grace Of God
Aug. 23, 2003, 07:36 PM
You guys stop being so mean. I think she deserves everything she has. I dont see why people feel the need to be so negative. Its just jealousy...

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clearound
Aug. 23, 2003, 07:37 PM
You guys are really something else. If you're not tearing Paige apart like the last time there was this topic, you are tearing apart her mother. Give it a rest! Just appreciate the ads for what they are - two awesome horses and a great rider. Please, you must have something better to do with your time than debate the appropriateness of using Dr. in an ad for horses.

Bumpkin
Aug. 23, 2003, 07:52 PM
I would like to know....if Skyy is 15.3 1/2 how come he shows in the small hunters?
I thought that the small hunters were 15.3 and under.
Just a question, nothing else.

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Chldrnshntr07
Aug. 23, 2003, 07:53 PM
i think all of you have no right to talk about paiges mother like this. none of you know her, and you are in no position at all to tell her what she can and can't do. if she wants to use the title, so be it. IT'S A FREE COUNTRY

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the eleven
Aug. 23, 2003, 07:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chldrnshntr07:
i think all of you have no right to talk about paiges mother like this. none of you know her, and you are in no position at all to tell her what she can and can't do. if she wants to use the title, so be it. _IT'S A FREE COUNTRY_

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes, its a free country, which is why we do have the right to talk about anyone however we feel.

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Anne
Aug. 23, 2003, 08:02 PM
Bumpkin, the small junior cutoff is 16.0. 15 7/8 is a small junior; 16.0 is a large.

Chldrnshntr07
Aug. 23, 2003, 08:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by your mom:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chldrnshntr07:
i think all of you have no right to talk about paiges mother like this. none of you know her, and you are in no position at all to tell her what she can and can't do. if she wants to use the title, so be it. _IT'S A FREE COUNTRY_

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes, its a free country, which is why we do have the right to talk about anyone however we feel.

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you can do whatever you want, but talking smack behind peoples backs isn't cool. i think you're all just jealous

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CBoylen
Aug. 23, 2003, 08:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bumpkin:
I would like to know....if Skyy is 15.3 1/2 how come he shows in the small hunters?
I thought that the small hunters were 15.3 and under.
Just a question, nothing else.

"Proud Member Of The I Love Dublin, Starman Babies, Mini Horse, Sunnieflax and Horse Boxes Cliques" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A small hunter is 15.2 and under. A small JUNIOR hunter is under 16 hands http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Texan By The Grace Of God
Aug. 23, 2003, 08:45 PM
This just disgusts me. People can never just compliment someone. It was a great ad and the Johnsons are great people. Just read the article in EBONY. It doesnt do that great woman justice. I cant believe this... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

"It is the difficult horses that have the most to give you."

" You will never know the ending if you leave before the story is over."

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the eleven
Aug. 23, 2003, 09:19 PM
I think some of you fail to see the difference between discussing what you feel is/is not appropriate and a personal attack. I do not know the Johnsons, so I cannot say anything about any of them personally, which I did not. I do however have an opinion on when it is in good taste to use "Dr" as a title. It does not mean I think Ms. Johnson is a bad person.

As for the jealousy thing- of COURSE I am jealous. I bet you are too.

The ad is lovely.
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eqnjumperrider
Aug. 23, 2003, 09:38 PM
DITTO what clear-round, Texan, and Alex said. EVERYONE give her a rest, what's it to you if she wants to be called Dr. Obviously you are all jealous, but don't start jumping on Paige and her mom about something so insignificant.

Policy of Truth
Aug. 23, 2003, 10:01 PM
No, not jealous. Just don't care to see someone mis-use an honorary title.

She has nice horses. Her daughter rides well. However, that has nothing to do with Mrs. Johnson's innapropriate use of the title "Dr." I'm sorry some of you fail to see this as some bb'ers gripes.

And please don't tell people on this BB who they do and do not know; that shows a lack of knowledge and a lack of intellectual brawn. If you want to argue with those of us who dislike the use of "Dr." in front of Mrs. Johnson's name, please utilize logic as well as relevant material to form your argument.

eqnjumperrider
Aug. 23, 2003, 10:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by clearound:
You guys are really something else. If you're not tearing Paige apart like the last time there was this topic, you are tearing apart her mother. Give it a rest! Just appreciate the ads for what they are - two awesome horses and a great rider. Please, you must have something better to do with your time than debate the appropriateness of using Dr. in an ad for horses.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I totally agree.. Some of you must have very boring lives, if you come on here to debate the use of "Dr." in an add for horses... LMAO

Kryswyn
Aug. 24, 2003, 12:27 AM
Women who wear pearls with plaid, men who scratch in public and people who mis-use honorary titles are not necessarily bad people. They just may be unaware that they're being tacky. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

The only other person I know who on occasion trots out his honorary title perhaps inappropriately is Dr William Cosby. You know, Cliff Huxtable? I've been a fan of Bill Cosby since I was 5 years old and he is certainly not a bad person. I believe he got his honorary doctorate in Education http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And for the record, I am not jealous of the Johnsons, mere et fille. When you have that much money, there are waaaaaayyy too many headaches that come along with it - like being fodder for the masses on a horse bulletin board http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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breezymeadow
Aug. 24, 2003, 05:44 AM
Some of you guys aren't paying attention http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif.

At no time did I "rip apart" Paige or Sheila Johnson. In fact, I said that Mrs. Johnson is a very well-known personage on the horsey & philanthropic scene. "Philanthropic" meaning she donates a lot of her time & money to very worthwhile causes.

However, that does NOT automatically mean that I have to agree with what I believe is disrespectful use of a bestowed title that I feel should only be used if EARNED like everyone else. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif To be perfectly honest, it really surprised me the first time I saw it as I really thought Mrs. Johnson had more class than that.

My body is a temple - unfortunately, it's a "fixer-upper".

SoEasy
Aug. 24, 2003, 07:21 AM
Cosby has a Doctorate in Education at UMass Amherst.

His bio is here. (http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~umpiecz0/cosby/cosbypage.html)

Chldrnshntr07
Aug. 24, 2003, 07:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Texan By The Grace Of God:
This just disgusts me. People can never just compliment someone. It was a great ad and the Johnsons are great people. Just read the article in EBONY. It doesnt do that great woman justice. I cant believe this... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

"It is the difficult horses that have the most to give you."

" You will never know the ending if you leave before the story is over."

G.A. Barnes<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
i love you twin

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Anne
Aug. 24, 2003, 07:36 AM
"Women who wear pearls with plaid..."

Now Kryswyn, there are some instances in which this is acceptable... some of us never take our pearls off! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

critter915
Aug. 24, 2003, 07:59 AM
I don't understand how it is inappropriate to use this "honorary title." I mean, if you were awarded this for all your philanthropic efforts throughout the community, wouldn't you use it as well? I don't think that the title of "Doctor Sheila Johnson" was meant to just be forgotten. She earned it, so she should use it, just as people in med school, etc. earn their titles and use them. This is just my opinion, however, and you can all have your own as well.

Policy of Truth
Aug. 24, 2003, 08:03 AM
"She earned it"

HELL NO, SHE DIDN'T!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif She did not in any way shape or form earn a doctoral! That is a slap in the face of every person out there that has ever EARNED their doctoral! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Policy of Truth
Aug. 24, 2003, 08:08 AM
"some of us never take our pearls off!"

Anne, did you by any chance ever attend Meredith College? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif I went for my first two years before I decided it wasn't right for me, and my favorite phrase on campus was "sweatshirt and pearls girls" http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif And you wouldn't believe how many girls actually did that!

BTW, how is vet school going? I love those vets over there! They were always so helpful and so interested in my old horse's progress after his radial nerve damage.

Duffy
Aug. 24, 2003, 08:26 AM
Very cool that Bill Cosby earned his doctorate! I knew he'd been awarded one from some school, but didn't realize he had earned one as well! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I have pearls, but even though I've been told that they weather the test of time best if worn all the time, I do not. However, I live in my diamond bracelet, much to the dismay of the jeweler who gets to clean it about once a year. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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buryinghill1
Aug. 24, 2003, 09:00 AM
Even Don Henley (from The Eagles) has an honorary doctorate http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Anne
Aug. 24, 2003, 09:08 AM
I personally do not wear a pearl necklace every day. I can't reconcile it with jeans, or with tennis shoes. However, I do not ever remove my pearl studs. Pacificsolo, I went to Hollins and very well remember touring the gym and seeing girls in t shirts and gym shorts - with pearls! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Thank you, also, for sticking up for those of us who have truly earned or are in the process of earning a REAL doctorate. Philanthropy is wonderful and should be encouraged, but receiving an honorary degree does not mean the recipient is actually a doctor. Anyone who disagrees is more than welcome to come play with the cadavers in my anatomy class four days a week!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Vet school is interesting. I am surviving. I'll send you a PT. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[This message was edited by Anne on Aug. 24, 2003 at 12:20 PM.]

levremont
Aug. 24, 2003, 09:25 AM
I am fascinated that all these people on the BB care what degree Sheila Johnson has or has not earned!!! They are great people, with great horses and Paige is a wonderful rider...oh my god but they have money...that makes them have to explain everything they do??? It seems that whenever someone has money it can be a free for all??? If you don't have anything nice to say....

Nikki^
Aug. 24, 2003, 09:27 AM
UM...now I'm confused. Did Mrs. Johnson go to college and earn a Doctorate degree? In which subject?

I call all my professors Dr. because they have Doctorate degrees in Chemistry, Biology... you know, SCIENCE degrees. My Biology Professor had a degree in Biology, a masters in Microbiology, DVM and a PhD. in Biology. I call her Dr. Thompson.

I thought when you get a Doctorate in Sciences, you can be called a Doctor.
But a Doctorate in Liberal Arts. PLEASE! I'm sick of Psychology(Liberal Arts) majors who think they are the shiot because they got a Doctorate in psychology. And I'm not talking about those who went to medical school and became a psychiatrist(they can write prescriptions).


I wanted to further my career and got a Biology degree and now I work as a Microbiologist. I'm hoping to get a Masters in Equine Science and become an Equine Microbiologist. I would like to specialize in Equine diseases due to Bacteria, Viruses, parasites and other microorganisms.
Pretty cool eh?

Other than that, I think Paige is a great rider and I hope she will make it to the Olympics. That was my wish when I was younger. Kudos to her if she makes it.

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buryinghill1
Aug. 24, 2003, 09:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nikkibaby27:
Did Mrs. Johnson go to college and earn a Doctorate degree? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> No. She's a generous woman - who has given so much to the hunter/jumper industry.
From the SUNY-Morrsiville website...

Morrisville State College receives first $1 million donation...

MORRISVILLE, N.Y. Â* October 31, 2002 – Officials at Morrisville State College have announced the first million dollar donation from an individual in the college’s 94-year history. Sheila Crump Johnson, L.H.D., noted philanthropist and co-founder of Black Entertainment Television, donated $1 million to Morrisville State College for the creation of the Sheila Crump Johnson Institute on campus.

The Sheila Crump Johnson Institute will provide support for diversity and character-building initiatives for students and the college community by creating fellowships, offering scholarships and providing diversity-oriented, character-building and leadership programming.

“In educating young people, it is imperative to address the whole person,” Johnson said. “Focusing on character and leadership in addition to academics will serve to prepare students well for their roles as employees, employers, parents and leaders.”

Morrisville State College president Dr. Ray Cross has worked to ensure the college, which enrolls students from each county in New York state, many different states and 10 foreign countries, embraces its diversity. He believes the Sheila Crump Johnson Institute is a strong benefit for an already multi-ethnic and multi-cultural campus.

“We are proud to see that the level of diversity on campus is a true reflection of the population of New York state,” he said. “The Sheila Crump Johnson Institute makes it possible for us to both further celebrate this diversity and continue to provide opportunities for the economically disadvantaged.”

In addition to the $1 million contribution, Johnson also donated approximately $66,000 for the concept and production of Morrisville State College’s current television commercial. A television crew of six, including a cameraman from the set of the West Wing and a producer for the United Way arrived on campus and shot on film for three days.

Johnson aired a sixty-second version of the finished product on the Jumbo-tron at the MCI Center in Washington, D.C. Oct. 21-27 in front of record crowds at the 44th annual Washington International Horse Show. Johnson is president of this event and provided Morrisville State College with rare access to both the Jumbo-tron and the FOX sports network national broadcast of the show, which will include a thirty-second version of the commercial. Both the Jumbo-tron and the national television broadcast are vehicles of exposure only made available to the top corporate sponsors of what has become the nation's most prestigious equestrian event.

A graduate of the University of Illinois School of Music, Johnson is an accomplished violinist and was concertmaster of the Illinois All-State Orchestra. She sings the Star-Spangled Banner at sporting events, founded the Urban Nation Voice of Youth HIP HOP Choir, and has taught music for many years in private schools throughout Washington D.C., including the Sidwell Friends school.

After founding Youth Strings in Action in 1975, a 140-member group of students age three to 18, the group was invited to perform in Jordan, at the Jerach Festival of Arts and Culture. As a result of their visit, Johnson was appointed as the United States Information Agency’s cultural liaison to Jordan and was instrumental in establishing Jordan’s first National Music Conservatory. Jordan’s King Hussein presented Johnson with the Al Nada medal, the country’s highest educational honor, in recognition of her work.

Both the show’s format and the community organizations and activities she participates in serve to prevent teen pregnancy, fight drug abuse, and seek to end youth violence. Through the Loudoun Healthcare Foundation, Johnson helped develop a mobile health services van that provides access to quality medical care in underserved communities. In 1999, Johnson was a speaker/moderator for the National Aids Prevention Conference.

She is a past member of the board of trustees of Carnegie Hall, a current co-chairperson for Carnegie Hall’s Educational Advisory Council, and serves on the board of trustees for the United States Equestrian Team, the Salvation Army, and the Community and Friends Board of the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts.

Johnson is a board member of the United States Equestrian Team, where she plays a vital role in selecting the athletes that represent the United States in the Olympic and Pan American Games. She is also a board member of the American Horse Show Association, the national governing body for all equestrian sports, and the Pennsylvania National Horse Show, one of the country’s oldest equestrian events. Most recently, she was named president of the Washington International Horse Show. Set in Washington, D.C., this is the most prestigious equestrian event in the United States.
Johnson, whose daughter Paige is one of the top junior riders in the United States, owns Salamander Farm, an Olympic-caliber training and competitive stable located in The Plains, Va. and Wellington, Fla. As a friend to the Piedmont Environmental Council of Warrenton, Va., Johnson helps to bolster community service work that protects USA’s historic and scenic lands, rural economy, natural resources and vital watersheds. Since joining the Wellington community, she also participates in the Equestrian Alliance, a lobbyist group protecting farmland from further urban development in this region of Florida.

In addition to her daughter Paige, Johnson has a son Brett and says of all her roles that of mother is paramount. The one common thread woven through Johnson’s widely varied projects and roles is helping young people to succeed.

Chldrnshntr07
Aug. 24, 2003, 09:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sallylou:
I am fascinated that all these people on the BB care what degree Sheila Johnson has or has not earned!!! They are great people, with great horses and Paige is a wonderful rider...oh my god but they have money...that makes them have to explain everything they do??? It seems that whenever someone has money it can be a free for all??? If you don't have anything nice to say....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
i agree...why does everyone care so much? if it is such a problem and it bothers you that much, then tell her, write her a freaking letter. theres no reason to go behind her back with the gossipy "omg you know that sheila johnson...i can't believe that she uses that title that she didn't even earn!" makes me sick. get real people

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Policy of Truth
Aug. 24, 2003, 10:20 AM
"theres no reason to go behind her back with the gossipy..."

I harldly consider a public BB "going behind her back" http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

"oh my god but they have money...that makes them have to explain everything they do???"

No, that has nothing to do with the fact she is using the title "Dr." without having EARNED it!

People, this argument really has nothing to do with whether Mrs. Johnson is a good person, a wealthy person, or a generous person! It is about her innapropriate use of the honorary degree she recieved. If you want to argue in favor of Mrs. Johnson using "Dr.", then do-so. But please stop using unrelated and illogical arguments to prove your belief that Mrs. Johnson did nothing wrong! It shows a lack of intellectual fortitude, and it doesn't convinve those of us of your point.

I love a good argument...but please use logic to form yours!

Silver Bells
Aug. 24, 2003, 10:28 AM
The original statement regarding a very well executed COTH ad, has gotten slightly sidetracked.
We can all see that this is also a promotional effort for both Paige and her mother, "Dr." Johnson. They no doubt have PR people assisting them. They are very smart using the COTH to promote themselves, as well as their endeavors. We all know how generous the Johnson family is. Those of us who horse show, can appreciate their generosity even more. After all, is there a person who competes on the "A" circuit who doesn't know who the Johnsons are?
Now they have achieved their goal! Calm down, it's their money...now matter how "new" it is. is.

breezymeadow
Aug. 24, 2003, 10:29 AM
AAACCCKKK!

First of all, no one is "picking" on the Johnsons. In fact, I don't know anyone who doesn't like them.

Secondly, this isn't a "gossipy" thing at all. In fact, I would be EXTREMELY surprised if Mrs. Johnson (notice I did not call her doctor) wasn't completely aware of how a lot of folks feel about her sudden change of title. She simply doesn't care - which is fine. However, that doesn't mean I have to change my opinion about it, just like those of you in favor of it don't have to change yours.

Third - Mrs. Johnson is definitely a "public figure" & I'm sure she can take any "heat" dished in her direction. If George Morris, David O'Connor, or any other horsey personage was endowed with an honorary doctorate & suddenly wanted to be known as "doctor", I'd feel the same way.

Fourth - It has absolutely NOTHING to do with money (except of course one would have to admit that there are probably VERY few piss-poor philanthropists out there getting honorary degrees. . . .). I'd feel the same way if Joe-Without-A-Dime wanted to be called "doctor" because of an honorary degree. I just feel that if you want to use the title, you should "do the time".

It is extremely nice to be awarded an honorary degree for your contributions - monetary & otherwise - to society. And it is perfectly correct to have such an award mentioned in your curriculum vitae, articles, etc., etc., etc. But once again, I feel (& I do respect those who disagree with me) that it truly is a slap in the face to everyone who is not only contributing to society, but busting their little behinds for YEARS in study & research in order to EARN the right to be called "Doctor" - regardless of what it is a doctor "of".

Those of you who feel that my logic "makes them sick", have your right to your opinion - but notice that my explanation in no way denigrates you or the Johnsons.

My body is a temple - unfortunately, it's a "fixer-upper".

Chldrnshntr07
Aug. 24, 2003, 10:30 AM
actually, pacificsolo, it IS going behind her back seeing as she is not a member of the boards. talking about people when they're not part of the conversation is talking behind there back, so there http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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Policy of Truth
Aug. 24, 2003, 10:34 AM
"so there"

How old are you?

Policy of Truth
Aug. 24, 2003, 10:35 AM
guess we had the same thought, Breezymeadow http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

breezymeadow
Aug. 24, 2003, 10:36 AM
Pacificsolo - I had to laugh right out loud just now, because I posted nearly the exact same thing, but then deleted it. Didn't want to be accused by the mods of taking this "personal". http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

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Policy of Truth
Aug. 24, 2003, 10:38 AM
LMAO!!!!

This is too funny! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

breezymeadow
Aug. 24, 2003, 11:00 AM
And for those of you who feel that this feeling about the "doctor" issue is simply jealousy - again - PLEEEEZE!!

I love watching good riders - & Paige is one of them. Would I love to have her family's money, prestige, farm, horses, etc., etc., etc.? Perhaps - but only if I felt I could do them justice, which I wouldn't if I lived to be 100 - LOL!

And - I think you may be confusing "jealousy" with "envy". In my book, if you are "jealous" of someone, you want what they have, & do NOT want them to have it. If you are "envious", you may want what they have, but you want them to have it as well. There's a big, big difference. Many of us may be "envious" of the Johnsons, but I don't think many of us are "jealous" of them. . . .. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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stillwaiting
Aug. 24, 2003, 11:16 AM
If philanthropy makes you a doctor, I can think of many people who are/were incredibly deserving of the title. "Doctor Mother Teresa" sounds good to me. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

critter915
Aug. 24, 2003, 11:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pacificsolo:
"so there"

How old are you?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe you were part of the conversation, as well, and that, as I interpreted it, was quite rude(not saying that the 'so there' comment wasn't.)

My dad has always told me not to talk negativley about someone if he/she is not present to defend himself/herself.

Bumpkin
Aug. 24, 2003, 11:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Anne:
"Women who wear pearls with plaid..."

Now Kryswyn, there are some instances in which this is acceptable... some of us never take our pearls off! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ARE WE RELATED OR WHAT?????

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Bumpkin
Aug. 24, 2003, 11:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Anne:
Bumpkin, the small junior cutoff is 16.0. 15 7/8 is a small junior; 16.0 is a large.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now is that only Juniours, or does that also cover Small Hunters in Open classes?

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Anne
Aug. 24, 2003, 11:59 AM
Nope, Chanda covered that one. The Small Hunters are usually a locally recognized division, but the general cutoff is 15.2.

tyedyecommando
Aug. 24, 2003, 12:07 PM
I am curious as to whether anyone who has his/her doctorate is argueing for (or against) someone with an honorary doctorate using the title of Dr. so liberally. Usually people who have taken the time and the education to get an actual doctorate would be VERY turned off by someone, who really is NOT a doctor, using the title to refer to themselves. There are many doctors who are insulted when someone refers to them as Mr/Mrs. after they spent many years at higher learning levels to earn the title.

If any of you (obvious) juniors have parents (or friends parents) who are doctors, ask them how they would feel about anyone (not just Mrs. Dr. Shelia Johnson) using the doctor title so liberally.

While Mrs. Johnson has really done a lot for the riding community and in other communities, I belive she is better known as the philanthropist(sp?) rather then Dr. Shelia Johnson. I would think someone as high up as she is would show a bit better tact and respect for those who earned the title they have. I think the purpose of the honorary doctorate is more on the category of an great award for her efforts rather than a title for her to use.

I don't think anyone is out to insult her, but rather to express their opinion of displeasure that a public figure would use the title to possibly further herself.

In terms of her ad, I have not seen this one, but the last ad was beautiful. The horses are gorgeous and the layout was very eye appeasing. Whoever did the ad did a very good job.

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Blue Devil
Aug. 24, 2003, 12:16 PM
Just a slightly related question, does anyone know why Mrs. Johnson chose Morrisville University specifically for her donation? I had assumed she went there for undergrad or something, but apparently she hasn't.

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Lord Helpus
Aug. 24, 2003, 12:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kryswyn:

The only other person I know who on occasion trots out his honorary title perhaps inappropriately is Dr William Cosby. You know, Cliff Huxtable? I've been a fan of Bill Cosby since I was 5 years old and he is certainly not a bad person. I believe he got his honorary doctorate in Education http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have not read pages 3, 4 and 5 so I do not know if this statement has been corrected or not. If it has, please excuse the duplication:

Bill Cosby earned his PhD at U. Mass in the early 1970's. I was at Smith then and there was a four college exchange between Smith, Mt Holyoke, Amherst and U Mass. Some of my friends took courses over at U Mass and Bill Cosy was in them, studying for his PhD.

He possibly has also gotten one or more honorary degrees, but his title "Dr." was earned, it is not honorary.

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Sinfulpony
Aug. 24, 2003, 12:22 PM
so about the ad. Great layout and and very well done. Gets your attention and makes you interested. I would take those two horses in a minute.... Seriously folks can we get off the "Doctor" thing. If it was awarded to her let her use it. yaddy yaddy yadda I know I know there are a lot of people out there who work for years for it but you cant say she hasnt contributed anything either. give it a break... she obviously isnt going to stop using it... waste your energy on something more productive.

Duffy
Aug. 24, 2003, 12:24 PM
LordHelpus - yup - I posted about Bill Cosby's earned Doctorate, as did SoEasy. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Kimba
Aug. 24, 2003, 12:27 PM
yall seem to be spending an aweful lot of time worrying and bickering over something that you can't even control!!!

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Lord Helpus
Aug. 24, 2003, 12:34 PM
And, if we are on this fascinating subject of people calling them selves "Dr." ---- You can call me Dr. Helpus since I have a JD ( = Juris Doctor or Doctor of Law).

I have always wondered why people didn't call attorneys Dr. since we have officially earned a "doctorate degree"

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breezymeadow
Aug. 24, 2003, 12:36 PM
Tyedyecommando - we must have been separated at birth.

Kimba - we're not "worrying & bickering" - just having an adult conversation concerning a difference of opinion. I happen to think that's rather interesting & what this board is for.

One can only discuss helmet styles & breech colors for so long. . . . http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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Silver Bells
Aug. 24, 2003, 12:52 PM
HERE HERE BREEZYMEADOW....everyone has an opinion, and should be able to express it.

Bottom Line... If Sheila Johnson did not want to be called doctor, she wouldn't use it every chance she gets! She may not have earned it the "old fashioned way", but let her at least think she did. Who does it really hurt?

OneonOne
Aug. 24, 2003, 01:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lord Helpus:
And, if we are on this fascinating subject of people calling them selves "Dr." ---- You can call me Dr. Helpus since I have a JD ( = Juris Doctor or Doctor of Law).

I have always wondered why people didn't call attorneys Dr. since we have officially earned a "doctorate degree"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LH - I was told that the proper title for those with a doctorate in law was "Esquire" rather than Doctor.

So perhaps we should call you Lord Helpus, Esq. instead?

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J. Turner
Aug. 24, 2003, 01:14 PM
You know what's ironic is that I'm sure the Johnsons are little concerned with our ruminating. They have far bigger fish to fry than us minnows (an important part of the food chain, nonetheless). They'd probably laugh and trot off shaking their heads sadly at these people who spend this much time online.

I'm of the opinion that, in general, it is not kosher, socially correct to use an honorary degree as a title. I'm sure there's an unwritten rule somewhere about it. Do you think Miss Manners or Martha Stewart has that social code covered? Does Martha Stewart have an honorary degree? Do you think prison guards would address her as Dr. Stewart if she were imprisoned?

Now Paul Newman is a tremendous philanthropist. Does he have honorary degrees? Does Bill Gates have one?

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Lily
Aug. 24, 2003, 01:28 PM
I am currently working towards a doctoral degree, and my personal preference would be to only use that title in the classroom. But that's just me. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

What I do have an issue with was this statement:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nikkibaby27:
I call all my professors Dr. because they have Doctorate degrees in Chemistry, Biology... you know, SCIENCE degrees. My Biology Professor had a degree in Biology, a masters in Microbiology, DVM and a PhD. in Biology. I call her Dr. Thompson.

I thought when you get a Doctorate in Sciences, you can be called a Doctor.
But a Doctorate in Liberal Arts. PLEASE! I'm sick of Psychology(Liberal Arts) majors who think they are the shiot because they got a Doctorate in psychology. And I'm not talking about those who went to medical school and became a psychiatrist(they can write prescriptions).
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry to burst your bubble, Nikkibaby, but earning a doctorate in a social science is just as demanding as a doctorate in a physical science.

Policy of Truth
Aug. 24, 2003, 01:28 PM
"Do you think prison guards would address her as Dr. Stewart if she were imprisoned?"

LOFF it! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

"I believe you were part of the conversation, as well, and that, as I interpreted it, was quite rude(not saying that the 'so there' comment wasn't.)"

Well, of course I was a part of the conversation! And I still contend that we are not "talking behind" anyone's back as this is a public BB...but, it's a free country, so feel free to disagree with me http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Policy of Truth
Aug. 24, 2003, 01:34 PM
"I'm sick of Psychology(Liberal Arts) majors who think they are the shiot because they got a Doctorate in psychology"

So, you think people who are psychologists are useless? That's ok. You don't have to appreciate the mental health field. But I would challenge you to be a bit more open-minded about what it takes to get a doctoral in ANY field, whether you personally respect it or not.

If I get my Psy-D or my PhD in PSYCHOLOGY, I would prefer to be called "Dr." as a form of respect for the hard work. (In a professional situation, though http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

Maybe it's where I grew up (Research Triangle Park), but I have always been taught to address people with their doctoral in ANY field as "Dr."

larosa90
Aug. 24, 2003, 02:41 PM
I slogged through 5 years of graduate school to get my PhD in Economics, which is a social science the last time I checked. For that, I studied mathematics and statistics at the graduate level too. I worked almost every weekend and holiday, and long into the night most nights. I EARNED the title.

Don't diss it cuz it's not your field -- every person who has earned that PhD has suffered for their chosen profession.

Honorary degrees are special too -- a recognition that the person has done great work for a social benefit. They can use the title or not -- Some do and some don't. They got the paper though, so they are official, but professionally are not the same as a regular program PhD.

Back on topic, I won't comment on the ad because (1) I haven't seen it and (2) my past experience with these ads and my comments was not a good one.
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Chldrnshntr07
Aug. 24, 2003, 02:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by critter915:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pacificsolo:
"so there"

How old are you?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe you were part of the conversation, as well, and that, as I interpreted it, was quite rude(not saying that the 'so there' comment wasn't.)

My dad has always told me not to talk negativley about someone if he/she is not present to defend himself/herself.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
THANK YOU!!! anyways...pacificsolo, did you not see the roll eyes smiley after the so there?

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Impromptu
Aug. 24, 2003, 03:39 PM
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Moonriver
Aug. 24, 2003, 03:56 PM
Honorary degrees are given out to those who are famous and/or donate a hefty sum. It feels a little inappropriate for an honoree to use Dr. as it gives the impression of an earned title. Also, could their be a conflict of interest in the rider selection of Olympic/Pan Am since Mrs. Johnson is on the committee? How long is one on the committee?

PonyJumperGRL
Aug. 24, 2003, 05:03 PM
Since it's a free country, I will now be signing all of my papers, "Dr. PonyJumperGRL, Supreme Dictator of the Universe"

People misinterpret the concept of "freedom" -If you guys want to believe this country has unlimited freedoms, you've been polluted by our public school system for far too long!

Amanda
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OneonOne
Aug. 24, 2003, 05:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PonyJumperGRL:
Since it's a free country, I will now be signing all of my papers, "Dr. PonyJumperGRL, Supreme Dictator of the Universe"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

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Chldrnshntr07
Aug. 24, 2003, 05:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PonyJumperGRL:
Since it's a free country, I will now be signing all of my papers, "Dr. PonyJumperGRL, Supreme Dictator of the Universe"

People misinterpret the concept of "freedom" -If you guys want to believe this country has unlimited freedoms, you've been polluted by our public school system for far too long!

Amanda
"Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better." - Albert Camus

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
whatever floats your boat!!! i say go for it!

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tu mamá
Aug. 24, 2003, 05:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PonyJumperGRL:
Since it's a free country, I will now be signing all of my papers, "Dr. PonyJumperGRL, Supreme Dictator of the Universe"

People misinterpret the concept of "freedom" -If you guys want to believe this country has unlimited freedoms, you've been polluted by our public school system for far too long!

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hahaha so true. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

GatoGordo
Aug. 24, 2003, 05:26 PM
Mmclough, let me know when you get your master's, as I will address you as "mmclough, m.s." just as I would address Pam as "Lord Helpus, Esq." http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Well, I just posed this question to my father, who certainly busted HIS tail to earn the title of PhD. He is of the opinion that some of the people who receive honorary degrees have busted their tails for the honor, but it is a grey area, with the key word being SOME. I won't mention names for fear of starting a flame-war. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I agree with pacificsolo et al on the subject of liberal arts degrees.

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Texan By The Grace Of God
Aug. 24, 2003, 05:41 PM
Dr. Johnson is a great woman who has earned EVERYTHING she has INCLUDING her title. So you guys need to lay off and find someone else to pick on.

I cant believe how jealous some people are! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

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Chldrnshntr07
Aug. 24, 2003, 05:47 PM
why don't you all pick on someone your own size?? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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Giddy-up
Aug. 24, 2003, 06:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Silver Bells:
The original statement regarding a very well executed COTH ad, has gotten slightly sidetracked.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I say very well executed as the thread has gone on to 6 pages. Didn't this happen with their last ad? Gosh, how one word can generate so much attention. I mean, it was a very nice ad to start with that people would of seen, but how many were now "looking" for the ad?

Duffy
Aug. 24, 2003, 06:12 PM
I think the horses should be given to talented trainers with talented riders without the financial where-with-all to spend big bucks on junior horses. Salamander has wonderful trainers who would know of such deserving individuals. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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LJD
Aug. 24, 2003, 06:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chldrnshntr07:
you can do whatever you want, but talking smack behind peoples backs isn't cool. i think you're all just jealous
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe you should follow your own advice. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Weren't you bad mouthing a top pony hunter last week?

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eqnjumperrider
Aug. 24, 2003, 06:51 PM
I agree with Texan.. WHO THE HELL REALLY CARES IF SHE WANTS TO USE THE HONORARY TITLE OR NOT... REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU ALL THINK, IT IS VALID.... YOU PEOPLE HAVE WAYYYYYYYYYYYY TOO MUCH time on your hands, if you are bickering over "Dr." in regards to Mrs. Johnson. For all of you that say you aren't jealous, that is such B.S..

eqnjumperrider
Aug. 24, 2003, 06:53 PM
Oh ya, and get off Chldrnshntr07's back .

clearound
Aug. 24, 2003, 07:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by clearound:
You guys are really something else. If you're not tearing Paige apart like the last time there was this topic, you are tearing apart her mother. Give it a rest! Just appreciate the ads for what they are - two awesome horses and a great rider. Please, you must have something better to do with your time than debate the appropriateness of using Dr. in an ad for horses.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


For those of you that failed to read the above the first time, get a life and move on. Even the most serious of topics rarely have 6 pages of discussion. I think that someone should lock this thread so that you guys who have nothing better to do than debate the use of "Dr." can do something useful.

Policy of Truth
Aug. 24, 2003, 07:21 PM
"Dr. Johnson is a great woman who has earned EVERYTHING she has INCLUDING her title."

Did you misunderstand that she did not actually go to school to earn this title? I'm just checking, in all seriousness...

eqnjumperrider
Aug. 24, 2003, 07:29 PM
READ MY LIPS.. W-H-O C-A-R-E-S??? HOW DOES THAT AFFECT YOU?

Policy of Truth
Aug. 24, 2003, 07:39 PM
Maybe you'd care if you had worked hard to EARN a doctorate. Or even gone to graduate school for your Masters. I care because it's wrong. People can care and not be jealous. Please don't mistake my passion for the truth for jealousy.

It's ok to care. If it doesn't bother you, that's really ok with me. But it does bother me because I believe it is a slap in the face to every person who has EARNED their Doctorate. You do not have to agree with me and other posters...really, it will not hurt my feelings. It's simply another opinion that some of us happen to feel strongly about.

J. Turner
Aug. 24, 2003, 07:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eqnjumperrider:
I agree with Texan.. WHO THE HELL REALLY CARES IF SHE WANTS TO USE THE HONORARY TITLE OR NOT... REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU ALL THINK, IT IS VALID.... YOU PEOPLE HAVE WAYYYYYYYYYYYY TOO MUCH time on your hands, if you are bickering over "Dr." in regards to Mrs. Johnson. For all of you that say you aren't jealous, that is such B.S..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Sinfulpony
Aug. 24, 2003, 07:57 PM
Pacificsolo: now that we have heard your thoughts on this subject a few times now, PLease explain to me how exactly did she earn this title and please explain why if she wasnt deserving of this title why it was given to her. I just have seemed to miss the reason why she recieved this if this is such a slap in the face?? Please explain this to me.

eqnjumperrider
Aug. 24, 2003, 07:58 PM
Ditto to Sinfulpony.. Why is one more valid than the next?

tyedyecommando
Aug. 24, 2003, 08:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sinfulpony:
Pacificsolo: now that we have heard your thoughts on this subject a few times now, PLease explain to me how exactly did she earn this title and please explain why if she wasnt deserving of this title why it was given to her. I just have seemed to miss the reason why she recieved this if this is such a slap in the face?? Please explain this to me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Let me pose a question to you. In your mind (and whoever else's mind may care to answer), What should constitute receiving a doctorate? Should one have to receive an education in the field they earn their doctorate in or should their be an arbitrary system that decides who can call themselves doctor? Could I give money to a charity or become involved in community actions and call myself Dr. Tyedyecommando with a doctorate from Tyedyecommando University? I am very curious to see what some of you think a doctor is.

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Chldrnshntr07
Aug. 24, 2003, 08:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eqnjumperrider:
Oh ya, and get off Chldrnshntr07's back .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
thanks...bad mouthing? i think not, that was the experience i had around dot, it was the truth hun. if you can't handle the truth then thats your problem, but when i was around him he did bite.

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Sinfulpony
Aug. 24, 2003, 08:30 PM
I agree that someone should earn an education in the field they earn their doctorate in but what I am asking is, HOW DID SHE EARN THE TITLE? lol thats all I want know. Was it because of all the money she has donated to numerous causes or because of a study in a field. I honestly have no idea how she earned it and no one has really answered that. With that said I know many people work for years and research and work very hard for their title's and I understand where someone would be offended but this women has contributed a lot. Why is it so offensive? If its because she is a large philanthropist(sp?), then correct me if I am wrong, then I am sure she is not the only one to have used this title before because I am sure she isnt. PLease feel free to correct me if I am wrong and please do answer my first question because I feel that would clear up many questions I have.

MistyBlue
Aug. 24, 2003, 08:50 PM
Not to jump into the argument here, and I honestly have no opinions on this one way or the other nor do I know the person involved in the honorary doctorate debate.
However, according to 'proper social etiquette' (whatever that counts for these days) it is not done to use the title of Dr. in your name for an honorary degree. When you receive that honor (and it IS an honor) you are given the right to refer to holding a doctorate, not the actual title. Also not 'proper etiquette' is using the title Dr. for a docorate in economics, finance, mathematics, etc unless you are in a teaching capacity. For public titles, such as invitations...those doctorates wouldn't read "Dr. and Mr/Mrs _______ are cordially invited...." A doctorate in psychology does give the receiver the option of calling themselves Dr socially.
Anywho, FWIW, this is according to proper etiquette of today by Letitia Baldridge, et al of social etiquette. Unfortunately for me, http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif , I have to be aware of these things at all times due to social engagements, entertaining and other such boring farces for my husband's company. Such 'heartwarming' things need to be known when entertaining for the company: who outranks whom during dinner seating (seated right or left of CEO) in titles, who holds which titles, those of slightly royal persuasion and those who have purchased titles (Lord, Lady, etc) yadda, yadda, yadda. Gives one a headache. Howevr, if someone has received an honoary doctorate, it is quite proper to use this when introducing or announcing them at a social function verbally. Not as Dr So&So, but as Mr So&So, Honorary Doctorate of Humanity. Not to be used in written form.
However, being as this is America....and if someone has used the title in this form...I don't see why it matters. Just give the person a pat on the back for being so wonderfully generous and if need be, giggle behind your hand later.

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the eleven
Aug. 24, 2003, 10:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sinfulpony:
Pacificsolo: now that we have heard your thoughts on this subject a few times now, PLease explain to me how exactly did she earn this title and please explain why if she wasnt deserving of this title why it was given to her. I just have seemed to miss the reason why she recieved this if this is such a slap in the face?? Please explain this to me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

she gave the school a million dollars.

i have noticed the majority of the posters who don't seem to understand why some of us think her using of the dr title is inappropriate have yet to graduate from high school. just an observation.

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eqnjumperrider
Aug. 24, 2003, 10:43 PM
FYI YOUR MOM, THAT ISN'T ALL SHE DID.. http://www.sidelinesnews.com/1501/hProfile.html

PonyJumperGRL
Aug. 24, 2003, 11:28 PM
All I can say is, I'd be pissed if I spent extra time, energy, and work in grad school to earn a doctorate and then have someone donate a whole bunch of money to a school and then recieve the ability to parade around with the same title I spent time in school for?

That kind of takes away from the glory, no?

I have no problem with people that use their money to do good in the world. I think it's great that's she's putting some of that to good use. But just because you're a caring and giving and all around great person, should you be able to call yourself doctor?

That's what this discussion is about...I don't think it's jealousy.

So, deep breath, ok. Good. Now chill.

Amanda
"Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better." - Albert Camus

J. Turner
Aug. 25, 2003, 04:08 AM
Miss Misty Blue Manners - thank you. You should have a doctorate in etiquette. Hey, that rhymes! Next time Prince William and Bill Gates and Mrs. Johnson come to dinner I shall email you for a seating chart.

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Tha Ridge
Aug. 25, 2003, 05:19 AM
Why does every topic about Paige Johnson and Salamander Farm turn into a fight? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Quite a few jealous people, I see.

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Nikki^
Aug. 25, 2003, 05:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PonyJumperGRL:
All I can say is, I'd be pissed if I spent extra time, energy, and work in grad school to earn a doctorate and then have someone donate a whole bunch of money to a school and then received the ability to parade around with the same title I spent time in school for?

That kind of takes away from the glory, no?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I totally Agree with you. I believe hard work, not money, earns the right to carry the title DR. Didn't Julia Roberts get an Honorary Doctorate from Harvard? Or was it a degree in Arts for her acting?
That's MHO.

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AnnabelleQF
Aug. 25, 2003, 05:24 AM
I agree with PonyJumperGRL...like you took the words right out of my mouth!! lol..uhh guys just think about this for a minute- you are trying to convince a lot of people who haven't even graduated from anything but middle school (and i know that's not EVERYBODY-but seems like the majority)of something THEY ARE NOT GOING TO AGREE WITH YOU ON!! you can't change their minds..you've tried, it didn't work, Sooooo I say move on!

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Timex6979
Aug. 25, 2003, 05:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heather Dobbs:
it seems to be a little innappropriate to be talking about mrs. johnson like this when she isn't here to defend herself. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
besides, who the heck really cares? i don't know about you guys, but i truly have better things to worry about then whether paige's mom has "earned" her honorary degree. the kid can ride, she has nice horses, so how about we let that be the end of it? besides that, do you realize how stupid it looks to see people i considered reasonable adults behaving so badly on a public forum? if you have such a major gripe about the whole thing, be a grown up and keep it private, and set a good example for the kids lurking around. your current behavior isn't exactly reflecting well on you...

Hunterman1
Aug. 25, 2003, 06:15 AM
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gifBOY some of you Guys are " too much " I put this out there to say " Great Ad " ! and to note what WONDERFUL horses Paige has and what a Great Rider she has become. NOT to get off on the " subject" of her mother.. GIVE IT A REST... I do know them personally and they are good people. No matter what SOME OF YOU may " think".. Just acknowlege the AD and not the people.. Why waste your " negative" energy on these Honest people that have done nothing to any of you..
It makes me angry that WE are ALL in a sport together and there is so much Bickering & Negative conversation towards each other..What happen to being SUPPORTIVE & HAPPY for each other.. Why not spend more time in the Saddle and less time worrying about your fellow-horseman. Might do you good to use that focus and energy there http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif... Best of thoughts... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

mizzwade
Aug. 25, 2003, 06:21 AM
I am sooo with you Hunterman1, you try to post something nice and its amazing how folks can turn it into an argument.....

I think its a beautiful ad for an excellent young rider. I don't know why we can't leave it at that?

mizzwade

Dusty
Aug. 25, 2003, 06:27 AM
Hunterman1, I believe that thread starters have the ability to lock their own threads. I agree that your initial post was wonderful and sadly has reached train wreck staus....time to put it out of its misery.

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Magnolia
Aug. 25, 2003, 06:28 AM
Ya know, maybe it was a typo?

But, it was a nice looking ad. And are they fancy looking horses! Could just anybody call and try them? I would think they wouldn't advertise those guys - just sell 'em through the grapevine!

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horseygurl182
Aug. 25, 2003, 06:39 AM
I would love to have either one of her horses, but since I'm more of a "hunter gal" http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I think I'd go for Skky. And a little off topic, what other well known jrs are aging out this year? If any.

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rileyt
Aug. 25, 2003, 06:43 AM
Boy oh boy. Can I take a quick poll? Of all of the people on this thread who are griping about how inappropriate it is for Sheila Johnson to be using the title "Dr."... how many of you ACTUALLY HAVE A DOCTORATE DEGREE??

I'm just curious. It seems like most of the people who have doctorates are not that upset (though, in 7 pages, I'm sure I've missed a few)

I have one, its a J.D. (and nickibaby, let me assure you I earned it). And I could give a rat's ass whether Sheila Johnson wants to call herself Doctor.

She's a great lady, and though she didn't do 4 years of "doctorate degree work", I think she's EARNED it nonetheless. This woman has not been sitting on the couch getting her nails done for the past 20 years. She's been WORKING on making the world a better place. Frankly, I think she's done a lot MORE work over a long period of time than I ever did in three years of law school.

Half of Riding is 30% mental ... no wonder there are so many bad riders http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Hunterman1
Aug. 25, 2003, 07:07 AM
http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gifOk.. GUYS this is ENOUGH.. NO More conversations about this TOPIC..
IT IS OVER .. MOVE ON.... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

OneonOne
Aug. 25, 2003, 07:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Quite a few jealous people, I see.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It's probably not worth the trouble, but I'm going to reiterate something that pacificsolo has been saying. None of us are doubting the merits of Mrs. Johnson. No one thinks she is a bad person. The discussion here is simply the proper acknowledgement of an Honarary Doctorate.

REPEAT - It has nothing to do with jealousy. It has nothing to do with Mrs. Johnson's merit as a person. It is simply a discussion of ETIQUETTE.

Not that anyone is going to listen this time, either... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

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BB
Aug. 25, 2003, 07:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Also, could their be a conflict of interest in the rider selection of Olympic/Pan Am since Mrs. Johnson is on the committee? How long is one on the committee? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know it's OT, but is Mrs. Johnson really on the committee? Does she ride? I'm just curious because I thought her involvement in horses stemmed from Page's riding.

Policy of Truth
Aug. 25, 2003, 07:36 AM
"Pacificsolo: now that we have heard your thoughts on this subject a few times now..."

And since you still don't get it, I will accept that some folks just don't care about social norms.

To answer another poster, no, I do not have my Doctorate. I have my Masters. I may choose to get my Doctorate. But whether or not I have even a BA, doesn't negate how I feel about the innapropriate use of the title. It's ok for you not to care, and it's ok for me and others TO care.

Glimmerglass
Aug. 25, 2003, 07:46 AM
I'm amazed this off-shoot discussion has brewed on for as long as it has. When I made the initial observation it was simply a statement of opinion which I still believe. I also said that the two page ad is lovely in its layout, choice of pictures and font selection. Extremely tasteful and about professional as it gets.

It's a paid for ad which has a purpose to promo the horse, the offer of sale, the stable, the rider and the owner. Nothing was included or left out by chance and you can be damn sure it was scrutinized and approved. Accordingly if you put something like that out there - insistence that is your correct title - then you are subject to opinion of others.

Sheila has done great things for this sport and will continue to do so. The forthcoming Salamander Inn, for example, looks to be a wonderful offering . Ms. Johnson by all accounts has done many things to enrich society by funding programs and preserving open space. Great, fantastic and kudos!

However, if that for some reason exempts anyone from being subject to the opinion of others with regards to etiquette then you're wrong. I'd warmly shake her hand and congratulate her according for all the positives, but you can be certain I would never address her as Dr. Johnson nor address mail to her as such either. Is that two faced or disrespectful or as some fool would suggest, "jealous"? No! Its simply means that I do adhere to proper etiquette which for me is the end of story.

Duffy
Aug. 25, 2003, 07:56 AM
I should let Glimmer's eloquent and accurate post finish this thread, but I just wanted to post that I agree with it wholeheartedly. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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AnnM
Aug. 25, 2003, 08:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rileyt:
Boy oh boy. Can I take a quick poll? Of all of the people on this thread who are griping about how inappropriate it is for Sheila Johnson to be using the title "Dr."... how many of you ACTUALLY HAVE A DOCTORATE DEGREE??

I'm just curious. It seems like most of the people who have doctorates are not that upset (though, in 7 pages, I'm sure I've missed a few)

I have one, its a J.D. (and nickibaby, let me assure you I earned it). And I could give a rat's ass whether Sheila Johnson wants to call herself Doctor.

She's a great lady, and though she didn't do 4 years of "doctorate degree work", I think she's EARNED it nonetheless. This woman has not been sitting on the couch getting her nails done for the past 20 years. She's been WORKING on making the world a better place. Frankly, I think she's done a lot MORE work over a long period of time than I ever did in three years of law school.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As a fellow JD, I'm totally with you, rileyt. Law school is hard, and it's no party, but just because I endured three years of pain to earn my degree doesn't mean I begrudge those who earn (yes, EARN - they don't hand out honorary degrees to any schmo on the street!) their degree in a different manner. And I would venture to say that many of M.D. friends (REAL doctors, if you will) would agree with me.

Maybe she's not following proper etiquette. I'm not Emily Post, and it's not my place to call her out on it. If anyone else (i.e, one of our own) breached the almighty etiquette rules here on the BB or in print in an ad in the COTH, I doubt people would get all riled up about it as they have here. EIGHT PAGES about two letters she stuck before her name in an ad??? Is it REALLY that important???

Erin
Aug. 25, 2003, 09:05 AM
At the request of the original poster, the thread is being closed.