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Velvet
Oct. 22, 2003, 02:50 PM
Tell me what made her so special. Was it her form? Consistency? What was it? Aren't there other horses just as good?

I'm serious. I'm looking for why this was a top horse in the hunter world. I have no clue. She looks pretty in her pictures. Tight knees folded to her chin, forward looking, pretty expression, stretching through her topline. What else was there to her that made her a top horse and why aren't there more?

I can only conclude that I'm paying off karma at a vastly accelerated rate.


[This message was edited by Velvet on Oct. 22, 2003 at 05:05 PM.]

Velvet
Oct. 22, 2003, 02:50 PM
Tell me what made her so special. Was it her form? Consistency? What was it? Aren't there other horses just as good?

I'm serious. I'm looking for why this was a top horse in the hunter world. I have no clue. She looks pretty in her pictures. Tight knees folded to her chin, forward looking, pretty expression, stretching through her topline. What else was there to her that made her a top horse and why aren't there more?

I can only conclude that I'm paying off karma at a vastly accelerated rate.


[This message was edited by Velvet on Oct. 22, 2003 at 05:05 PM.]

Ash
Oct. 22, 2003, 03:04 PM
Yes it was her spectacular form at every jump every time. It was also her consistancy and beautiful movement. She was also quite stunning to look at. I would have to say that the length of her winning career has a lot to do with it. This horse won everything for years. So many horses come into the ring as greenies and become the flavor of the week, so to speak. Asking why aren't there more like her is like asking why there aren't more horses like Secretariat http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif The combination of things that have to come together to make the kind of hunter Rox Dene was is nearly impossible.

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Sing Mia Song
Oct. 22, 2003, 03:22 PM
I think it was the way she snapped her knees right off the ground. She used her shoulder and neck (hell, her whole front end) in such an amazing way.

I had heard about her for years, but had never seen her go when I finally saw her at the first Capital Challenge in '94. As beautiful as she is in pictures, once you saw that trademark jump and how swifty and how far the front end came up, you realized exactly what she was so great.

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Nauset
Oct. 22, 2003, 03:31 PM
She is just plain amazing, I don't think there's anyone who could argue that!

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Velvet
Oct. 22, 2003, 03:41 PM
Okay, still just trying to understand and get it right, so why would she be considered the epitome of a hunter if no other horse can do what she did and she's actually sort of a "freak of nature" (in a nice way)? I mean, in racing it's all about speed and time and not form. This is about form. In dressage we have disagreements all the time on what is more correct. Why was this more correct if it's not possible for other horses to achieve it and it was an aberration?

Or are there other horses that come VERY close, but aren't able to take it that half-notch further? Some who can jump as well but are not dependable?

(What sort of classes was she in all the time? What was the height?)

I can only conclude that I'm paying off karma at a vastly accelerated rate.

Anne
Oct. 22, 2003, 03:55 PM
Velvet, she worked her way through the hunter divisions. She started at 3' in the pre-greens, did well as a first year horse in the 3'6, did the second years at 3'9, and was wildly successful as a regular horse at 4'. There are not many horses that can jump 4' in the quiet hunter canter.

To put it very very simply, she was the best we have seen in a looong time. I'm sorry I'm not quite understanding what part of this you don't understand. Yes hunters are subjective, but we all know what a good trip looks like. There's sort of a scale of fanciness. That horse your neighbor has in the backyard that is a trashy mover who hangs his legs and never leaves the yard? Not fancy. The local/B show horse? Eh, maybe getting warmer. The small A show children's/AA hunter who is safe and steady, and gets low ribbons? Probably in the same category. Then there are the horses who consistantly win at the largest of horse shows in the best of company in the professional divisions. Now we're talking fancy; conformation horses most of all.

Rox Dene was the best of her generation. Some people compare other horses to her. She is certainly not alone in that category of "the fanciest", but she won a ton all over, and was a pretty special horse. A Gifted, if you will. A superstar.

Black Market Radio
Oct. 22, 2003, 04:24 PM
I was reading this, and a thought occured to me. would I even WANT to compete in a class against Rox Dene? I wonder what people thought when they found out they were competeing against her! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

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RioTex
Oct. 22, 2003, 04:29 PM
I think of Michael Jordan. There are lots of professioanl basketball players and lots of guys on Championship teams, but if you ever SAW him play, you knew it was special.

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DMK
Oct. 22, 2003, 04:55 PM
Velvet, when it comes to matters of style in hunters you generally find two exceptional styles (ad a whole lot of lesser variations on the theme). Type A (my favorite) is excellent with the shoulder - raised above the vertical. However Type A frequently tends to be looser at the knee. Type B is not nearly as good at the shoulder (at the vertical) but is VERY tight at the knee and ankle. It's a given that both of these horses are round over the jump.

Most trips/pictures of Strapless are more of the Type B variety, whereas Oszcar looks more Type A.

Rox Dene managed to be Type A AND be tight below the knee - the best of both worlds.

Add to that a beautifully conformed horse who had a lovely way of going but had just the perfect amount of natural backup and the right degree of spook at the jump and you have something rare indeed.

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RodeoHunter
Oct. 22, 2003, 05:00 PM
Are there videos you can order that have Rox Dene trips on them? I would LOVE to see this mare go, after seeing countless numbers of perfect o/f pictures. She is so beautiful.

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AOHunter2002
Oct. 22, 2003, 05:07 PM
good question rodeo...i was wondering the same thing! i never got to see her go at a show and have always wanted to see one of her trips! C. Boylen...help us out on this one! do you know if there are any we can order?
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Claudius
Oct. 22, 2003, 05:11 PM
I feel I must point out that Rox Dene was FLAWLESSLY presented for the bulk of her career by Rodney Bross and Elizabeth Solter. And their efforts were supported by her owner Ms. Boylen. Elizabeth's ride was so smooth and deliberate...I never saw her miss on the spectacular Rox Dene. Listening to Rodney's training advice was an education in itself..they left NOTHING to chance...they knew how each fence should be executed..how much leg over the verticle, how many strides off the turns to the oxer, more leg there etc.etc. SO calculated. It was the combination of these four that made the final presentation so special IMHO. That's the challenge of the hunters...no one stands alone...it is a partnership all the way...and we've seen none better than that of Rox Dene,Rodney and Elizabeth and Ms. Boylen. Actually, I would like to thank them all for showing me how it is supposed to look!!! Setting the bar a little high...but something to shoot for nonetheless!!!

Dogs will come and dogs will go and I will love them all....but ROSIE is forever

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[This message was edited by Val on Oct. 22, 2003 at 09:35 PM.]

LuvTheDutch
Oct. 22, 2003, 05:20 PM
Val,
I've had the pleasure of working with Elizabeth and watching her work with my 3 yr old. Watching him go when she's riding him is truely amazing. He has a glow about him and a definate ora of confidence the minute she sits in his irons. Cannot wait till Spring when we return to training... Never seen RoxDene in person, but followed her extensively, loved the mare. The way Elizabeth talks about her to this day, you can tell the mare was special to everyone...

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Claudius
Oct. 22, 2003, 05:28 PM
How fortunate you are to have her riding your horse. During her "Roxdene" years, I watched her ride other horses as well and she gave them the same deliberate ride that gives a horse so much confidence. I remember I saved her interview in the PH for years and used it to remind myself of how it SHOULD be done...not sure I have EVER been able to do it though!

Dogs will come and dogs will go and I will love them all....but ROSIE is forever.

SweatySaddlepad
Oct. 22, 2003, 05:33 PM
Rox Dene is an incredible hunter, both for her form and consistency across the field as well as her presence. I also believe there are several hunters that are in her class that are never known due to finances. Let's face it it's expensive to show a hunter to limits that the top show hunters are shown. So many very talented hunters never get the "press" because their owners don't have the funds. I'm certainly not discarding anything that the top hunters have achieved I just know I have been blessed to ride and see many who will never make it to that status due to funds.

versatile
Oct. 22, 2003, 05:54 PM
has anyone heard of a horse that showed during rox dene's reign named cliche'?

SCHunter
Oct. 22, 2003, 05:58 PM
PICS PLEASE someone?!?!?

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Anne
Oct. 22, 2003, 06:32 PM
It is definitely two words.

And don't forget Bert Mutch, who was Rodney's rider at the beginning of her career.

C.Boylen has a good picture of Bert doing the pre-greens on the mare, I think... it is over white birch rails as I recall. If you do a search either here or on google I am sure you will find photos.

CBoylen
Oct. 22, 2003, 06:38 PM
Sorry guys, I don't know of any videos. We actually don't have a ton ourselves. Elizabeth's mother had the most tapes, and since she has passed on I'm not sure where those ended up http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
And, it's Rox Dene, with the space. The place she was named after in Bermuda is all one word, but due to the fact that we told Rodney how to register her over the phone, since we named her before we actually saw her, there was a slight bit of miscommunication that resulted not only in the split word, but also in her being entered in her first pre-green class as Fox Dene :P
Also, if I get to add my two cents, she is special because she could model, hack, and jump, and win in both the conformation and the working classes, and do so at all three heights. She also never saw the end of a lunge line, never took a lame step, and was a pet in the barn. That's the whole package that's so hard to find http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

CBoylen
Oct. 22, 2003, 06:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Anne:
It is definitely two words.

And don't forget Bert Mutch, who was Rodney's rider at the beginning of her career.

C.Boylen has a good picture of Bert doing the pre-greens on the mare, I think... it is over white birch rails as I recall. If you do a search either here or on google I am sure you will find photos.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Also, don't forget Laura Kent-Kraut, who started her over fences as a four year old for us, and showed her as a pre-green horse until Bert took over just before her first year. She put in a start that few other riders could, and deserves at least as much credit if not more than the riders that rode her as a made horse.

Claudius
Oct. 22, 2003, 07:43 PM
The correction of her name has been noted. ANd also, your pointing out that she was never lunged! What an amazing temperment! Do her offspring have her temperment? She was unique to be able to win in so many divisions over so many different heights. When my friends and I "discovered" her...by that time, she was with Rodney and Elizabeth...any way....she is wonderful and we all appreciated her so much.

Dogs will come and dogs will go and I will love them all....but ROSIE is forever.

EskimoRoll
Oct. 22, 2003, 07:45 PM
Ms. Boylen-
Do you have any pictures of her we could see? I would love to see them!

Jane
Oct. 22, 2003, 07:55 PM
I love DMK's type A & type B theory! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

And as Chanda said, the ability to win in the model, confo, and workings. However, Chanda left one thing out.....Rox Dene's photogenic-ness (I just love making up new words, lol)....that mare can not take a bad picture! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SCHunter, you may be able to find pics previously posted if you do a search.

[This message was edited by Jane on Oct. 22, 2003 at 10:13 PM.]

EskimoRoll
Oct. 22, 2003, 07:57 PM
Jane it's Rox Dene not Roxdene. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jane
Oct. 22, 2003, 08:15 PM
Oops, thanks for correcting me. I've written it both ways and can't remember which is the "correct" one...I just hope I don't type Fox Dene one day! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

findeight
Oct. 22, 2003, 08:17 PM
Not trying to play the spoiler here, she was a wonderful Hunter..but she wasn't always on.
The only time I saw her go was at a WEF show and she jogged third and fourth and did not jog at all in one class (can't remember, maybe a tight spot or a rub)...I thought her quite good and stylish but she was not the winner those days I was in the stands. Any jog down there is an achievement however.

She was probably the signature Hunter of the 90's and rightfully so.

But she didn't have it the day I saw her...so the moral is horses are horses and they will continue to defy us as we search for perfection in the Hunter ring........
But there are some great Hunters competing now.
I urge all Hunter fans to get out to the shows and support some of these current greats, go to the show, watch and learn to be better yourself.

Regardless, horses are just horses regardless of reputation or name....they can humble us all...or teach us. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Halfhalting
Oct. 23, 2003, 06:49 AM
What about Rox Dene's offspring? How many are there now, and what is their quality? How do you go about finding one of her babies to buy (I'm sure it would be WAYYYY out of my budget!) http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Also, have the owners ever thought of selling embryos? Or doing embryo transfer to get more babies from this awesome mare?

Velvet
Oct. 23, 2003, 09:22 AM
All those details are helpful, thanks! I'm just trying to get a handle on the hunter world.

I'm not getting the point with the horse never being lunged. Is this because many hunters are lunged into the ground (as are many dressage horses)?

I can only conclude that I'm paying off karma at a vastly accelerated rate.

Black Market Radio
Oct. 23, 2003, 09:33 AM
halfhalting, I think you would have to pry Rox Dene's babies out of Chanda's cold, dead hands http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif She posted about a week or two ago about how they are doing, try doing a search. I don't remember what she said about Rocky, but Roxy is getting ready to get started. Rox Dene lost a foal and she didn't take this year. Chanda also said that Rox Dene is 17 years old.

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Nickelodian
Oct. 23, 2003, 10:05 AM
Pictures I found for the old thread..

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Giddy-up
Oct. 23, 2003, 10:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by devildog87:
Chanda also said that Rox Dene is 17 years old.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

NO!??!?!? I must be getting old too then. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif It just doesn't seem that long ago. Well, maybe it has been 7 years since I saw her in FL. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

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Tiramit
Oct. 23, 2003, 10:18 AM
C.Boylen, what has happened to her brother, Rox Don? I think I remember reading an interview with your mother years ago where she said that you actually preferred riding Rox Don to his sister. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif I could feel your mother's laughter come off the page! Am I mistaken?

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Hexel
Oct. 23, 2003, 10:24 AM
Rox Dene had a canter to die for. It was so big yet quiet and consistent. She jumped and left the ground so easily with very little effort and wow those knees wrapped around her ears almost.

She won year after year. Against the best. Others were retired while she still had the tenacity like the (eveready bunny) to keep going and keep going and keep going and win and win and win. Yes she had a rub here and there that bumped her back in the ribbons but not as often as most in the big picture.

She had a dream team of riders trainers and owners. It all clicked.

What made her great in my mind and few can compare.Was her consistency and soundness for a long period of time,multiple championships year after year at diffrent venues.Her great canter jumping, style, and beauty. I think what made this all possible may have been the consistency of her Dream Team.

I've often wished for a video version of Rox Dene too. Something to aspire to breed, if that is possible.

Also would like to mention another great horse in the jumpers, who in my mind compares to Rox Dene but in the jumpers, is a horse named Idle Dice.

Anne
Oct. 23, 2003, 12:24 PM
Rox Don is owned by an ammie in the Pacific Northwest somewhere. The Boylens didn't own him; Rodney just helped with his training and Elizabeth rode him during that period. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I am fairly sure Chanda never rode Rox Dene at all; she didn't want the pressure of that!

There are two Rox Dene "kids"; Rocky Rules is the older one and then there is a filly called Roxy. They are both by Loyal Pal and on the last thread Chanda posted a photo of Rocky in the pre-greens.

Chanda I hope it is ok that I am answering - I love the mare and have a pretty good memory! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Feel free of course to add!

poltroon
Oct. 23, 2003, 01:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Velvet:
Okay, still just trying to understand and get it right, so why would she be considered the epitome of a hunter if no other horse can do what she did and she's actually sort of a "freak of nature" (in a nice way)? I mean, in racing it's all about speed and time and not form. This is about form. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Velvet, have you forgotten Rembrandt? This sort of thing happens in dressage all the time.

Velvet
Oct. 23, 2003, 01:13 PM
Actually, Rembrandt was consider "incorrect" in his movement a lot of the time. So he was not consider the epitome of a dressage horse by all involved. It seems Rox Dene was.

I can only conclude that I'm paying off karma at a vastly accelerated rate.

Sudley4me
Oct. 23, 2003, 01:17 PM
It is like dog showing. There is the textbook written form of what is perfection. Few and far between usually get really close, with some actually being "perfect". She was basically as close as anyhorse came to this perfection.

Does this help at all?

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CBoylen
Oct. 23, 2003, 02:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Anne:
Rox Don is owned by an ammie in the Pacific Northwest somewhere. The Boylens didn't own him; Rodney just helped with his training and Elizabeth rode him during that period. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I am fairly sure Chanda never rode Rox Dene at all; she didn't want the pressure of that!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, we did own Rox Don for about a year and a half. We bought him sight unseen as a four year old the year after we bought Rox Dene, and had him shipped to FL. Bert Mutch started him for us, and then Elizabeth showed him in the first years and the workings for us. He was so scopey as a first year horse that he did the four foot, so he actually did the workings before his older sister. We sold him to Peter Wetherill the following year. Elizabeth rode him for a short time for Peter, and Rodney continued to train him. Another poster has stated that Rox Don is now working in a handicapped riding program, which I think he would be wonderful at!
I never really 'rode' either one, I walked Rox Dene around bareback a few times when Rodney wasn't looking (which went much better than when her groom did the same thing and she came back to the barn without him, thus spoiling his secret ride http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ) I was however dying to have Rox Don as my junior hunter, and was very disappointed when Rodney decided that the 17 hand or so six year old was probably not the best first horse for a under 5 ft tall 11 year old kid http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Mardi
Oct. 23, 2003, 02:23 PM
I always had read that Rox Dene was quite a mare. And I like many others only saw still pictures of her. But after reading this thread, sounds like you all really felt her form and movement were spectacular. One thing else to bring up - I assume she stayed relatively sound during her career. I've worked in the show office of many h/j shows and I know how much those horses are shown over a weekend ! 8,9,10 or more over fences classes in 2 days is, unfortunately, not unusual. So add "Stayed Sound" (if applicable) to the list of Rox Dene's accomplishments !

Ketch
Oct. 23, 2003, 02:27 PM
Now, Velvet, is this all a little clearer? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

CBoylen
Oct. 23, 2003, 02:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> What about Rox Dene's offspring? How many are there now, and what is their quality? How do you go about finding one of her babies to buy (I'm sure it would be WAYYYY out of my budget!)
Also, have the owners ever thought of selling embryos? Or doing embryo transfer to get more babies from this awesome mare? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are only the two, and both currently belong to me. The four year old, Rocky, will be on the market in FL, since he is now made up and ready to go first year http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I am supposed to do the horses as something of a business, so I can't keep them all! The filly has just recently been backed, and we wouldn't consider selling her until she is similarly made up.
We did attempt embryo transfer when it was in its starting stages, and it wasn't sucessful. It's something to maybe consider for the next year or so, but we haven't made any definite plans, and will not move the mare, so we're waiting on the local vet clinic to initiate a program in the near future, and then we'll give it another look.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I'm not getting the point with the horse never being lunged. Is this because many hunters are lunged into the ground (as are many dressage horses)? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's just another part of that total package that's so hard to find. Many wonderful, fancy horses are extremely difficult to 'get to the ring' as we say. To find one that had all the other parts, and was easy to deal with, was extremely unusual.
As for the temperament of the babies, Rocky goes out to play on the line for about 5 minutes, and usually doesn't go out the second show day. Otherwise, I can't keep him cantering http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif The filly seems to be equally quiet so far.

BLBGP
Oct. 23, 2003, 02:34 PM
I, for one, would love to see that jumping shot of Rocky again, if you're willing to share! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

CBoylen
Oct. 23, 2003, 04:49 PM
Any photos I have posted in the past, that I have on this computer (which is relatively new, so all of the photos aren't there unfortunately) can be found at Photoisland (http://www.photoisland.com) and accessed with username: alliehunter guest password: reggie http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif that's a bit easier than me reposting everything. I wish I had more jumping pics to share, but the ones I have need to be rescanned, and are in the FL house. Rocky's pics are under his name in an album, and Rox Dene's are in the Misc. album.

mbp
Oct. 23, 2003, 05:27 PM
This thread has been a great tribute to a champ. It adds so much personality to the whole picture.

RugBug
Oct. 23, 2003, 06:07 PM
C. Boylen: not that this means much coming from a stranger, but I was shocked to see that you are so young. Your posts are always articulate, well-thought out, levelheaded and show maturity. Good for you!

And your horses are gorgeous! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

AOHunter2002
Oct. 23, 2003, 07:01 PM
sad...i tried to visit your site and i have to come back tomorrow because "this album has recieved the maximum amount of visitors for one day". http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

C. Boylen: so you never showed Rox Dene? I am one of those people who never got to see her go, so im extra curious!
Katie

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CBoylen
Oct. 23, 2003, 07:09 PM
Oops; I didn't even know it had a limit http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
No, I never showed her. I felt at though I had nothing to gain by it, and she certainly had nothing else to prove http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Rugbug, thank you http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

AOHunter2002
Oct. 23, 2003, 08:57 PM
check your PT's C boylen! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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AOHunter2002
Oct. 23, 2003, 09:01 PM
um just kidding i cant get PT's to work at the moment...ill try in a little while

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EskimoRoll
Oct. 24, 2003, 07:15 AM
Wow you have you really nice horse C.Boylen! Rocky is a really nice horse!

Nickelodian
Oct. 24, 2003, 08:12 AM
OK am I the only one who thinks that baby picture of Rox Dene is the cutest thing in the entire world???? Look at those ears!!

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Velvet
Oct. 24, 2003, 08:16 AM
See now THAT is interesting to me! I was under the impression that everyone thought this was the best horse ever. In dressage, most people who have been around tend to appreciate horses like Granat as much more of a "freak of nature" in dressage than Rembrandt. (Granat COULD literally bend in the middle.) But there are different schools of thought on whether or not everything was there to make any of these horses the best ever in the sport. The standards are always and forever changing. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

From the pictures Rox Dene looks pretty amazing. Then again, in pictures a lot of horses look pretty amazing. I wish there was video so I could see what everyone is talking about! (It's like looking at old video of top dressage horses--you learn something new and you also see that no horse is ever perfect all the time, which often makes us happier with our own horses. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )

I can only conclude that I'm paying off karma at a vastly accelerated rate.

Black Market Radio
Oct. 24, 2003, 08:25 AM
Oh my gosh Chanda, the newspaper clip of you as a 20 month old is SO cute!!!!

Here are the Devilpups!!
http://community.webshots.com/user/angelgregory87

I FART in your general direction TTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHBBBBBBB!!!!!

Giddy-up
Oct. 24, 2003, 09:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nickelodian:
OK am I the only one who thinks that baby picture of Rox Dene is the cutest thing in the entire world???? Look at those ears!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I saw that too!! I think having wee little halter fuzzies gave a glimpse into the future of how she was expecting to be treated! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif It made me giggle.

"...today is the day of reckoning..."---Martina McBride

Ketch
Oct. 24, 2003, 09:27 AM
Am I the only one who finds Jumpin'Fool's post a tad obnoxious? This horse set the standard in the 90's, and I attribute much of the popularity of the scopey, fat and big-boned http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, long-strided hunter type that is so highly-regarded today to be due in no small part to the influence of Rox Dene. It is extremely presumptuous to call her style of jumping "incorrect," especially since her owner posts on here regularly (as I know a comment about MY horse jumping incorrectly would certainly hurt my feelings). Luckily, C. Boylen appears to be very even-keeled and smart enough to ignore rude posts. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But I found this comment inappropriate, personally.

Velvet
Oct. 24, 2003, 09:36 AM
Betty,

I took that as not necessarily "incorrect" but that there are still differing opinions. I would love to see what made her considered the cream of the crop. I also like hearing what other people thought; whether it is sour grapes or not. It's interesting. It's all part of the educational process. Things change constantly, too. I know we're having a lot of discussions on what judges are rewarding lately in dressage here in the US. It's interesting to see people open up and discuss what is a fad and what is actually good for all horses to try and achieve.

I'm not saying Rox Dene was a fad--or not. I have no clue. But discussing what makes the horse the top at the moment and what makes it difficult for other horses to achieve is interesting. It's ALL interesting in my mind.

I don't think anyone was attempting to say she didn't deserve what she got.

I can only conclude that I'm paying off karma at a vastly accelerated rate.

DMK
Oct. 24, 2003, 10:43 AM
Betty, my impression of that post is that a) everyone is allowed to have an opinion and b) if Jumpinfool and I are ever looking at the "next" Rox Dene to purchase, I think we can safely assume he/she will pass and I will end up owning a splinter bellied 4 time AHSA winnin' horse who will somehow snooker thousands of qualified professionals into thinking it is a much better jumper than it actually is... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

What could possibly be wrong with that picture? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Call your village. Their idiot is missing...

Ketch
Oct. 24, 2003, 12:08 PM
Well, it still just irked me. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif Seems like it is so hard for people sometimes to accept that someone (besides them http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) may own a horse that truly is/was the cream of the crop . . .

To illustrate, I found findeight's post to be informative, reasoned and based on first-hand knowledge and impressions. On the other hand, I personally perceived JumpinFool's post to be based on the hearsay of some trainer and, to be perfectly blunt, a little bit of sour grapes. Hey, a legendary horse is a legendary horse, and I don't know any of them that got there by accident!

MellowM
Oct. 24, 2003, 01:42 PM
I love Rox Dene!! I was curious as to why she ventured into the juniors and who rode her in them? Why was it so disatrious?

CBoylen
Oct. 24, 2003, 01:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jumpin'Fool:
If she had been sold off to a junior, she would probably have been just another nice horse who in that situation probalby would have been hard to get to the ring. She was and remained a professional's ride and for far longer than most owners would be willing to foot the bills, even for a proven winner. She showed for what, six-ish years with only one brief rather disasterous venture into the jr./ao ranks.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I certainly don't mind people saying that she wasn't always perfect. Horses aren't robots, they aren't MEANT to be perfect all the time. If we wanted machines we would drive racecars or motorbikes for fun.

However, let's clarify the junior hunter comment. Things like this kill me, because that was the main reason why I didn't want to ride the horse. I'm sure if Megan had it to do over again she'd give it a bit more thought too http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif She showed her four times, (and I'll add that she wasn't prepared any differently for Megan, so I'm not sure why you think a rider change would change the mare's personality) was reserve champion twice, and champion once, and until the fourth show never came out of a class without a ribbon. At the fourth show Megan, as a YOUNGER junior at the time, made a mistake. Yet that is what everyone remembers!

NinaL aka Chrissy
Oct. 24, 2003, 02:16 PM
Okay, I have to chime in here. Mainly because I "loffed" watching Rox Dene perform.

She was, as has already pointed out, the total package. Was she perfect all the time? Nope. Was her rider perfect all the time? Heck, even the biggest of Big Names can make a mistake. We are, after all, human, although some of us are arguably more perfect than others (present poster excluded http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif).

When I think of Rox Dene I think of a flowing, smooth way of going with a stylish jump. She was also very consistent in her jumping style - every jump looked the same regardless of distance, type of jump, etc. One judge told me that one of the things he looked for was a horse that jumped every jump the same. He hated the ones who jumped differently over each jump.

I also think that she had a very large "wow" factor. As in, "Wow. Look at that". In a good way, of course http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. Osczar is another horse who had that "wow" factor. I remember a couple of years ago at MSG when he was going around an A/O course. He was having his patented Osczar round but it was not particularly brilliant. He cantered down to a white oxer, kind of took a second look and powered into one of the most breathtakingly beautiful jumps I have ever seen. I turned to my friend and said, "Ah. Now I see how he got a perfect score". It was one of those chills down your back moments. I considered Rox Dene the epitome of a hunter because she had many of those chills down your back moments.

Does anyone remember the chestnut mare Bavaria? She was another great one (gee, another warmblood mare - do I see a trend here?) - I never got tired of watching her when she made her East Coast swing.

Nina

Nickelodian
Oct. 24, 2003, 02:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Does anyone remember the chestnut mare Bavaria? She was another great one (gee, another warmblood mare - do I see a trend here?) - I never got tired of watching her when she made her East Coast swing.

Nina<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Except I'm pretty sure that Rox Dene was a JC TB mare....

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I survived!

AOHunter2002
Oct. 24, 2003, 02:25 PM
i still havent gotten to look at the photos http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif i guess i will check again tomorrow *sigh*
Katie

~*~"When your horse greets you with a nicker, nuzzles your chest, and regards you with a large and liquid eye, the question of where you want to be and what you want to do has been answered"~*~

harvestmoon
Oct. 24, 2003, 02:29 PM
I thought Rox Dene was a Warmblood/Thoroughbred cross? Ah, either way, a brilliant horse! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

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RioTex
Oct. 24, 2003, 02:31 PM
Pretty sure she is by Aristos B (Dutch WB) and o/o TB mare.

Trinity Hill Farm (http://www.trinityhillfarm.com)

CBoylen
Oct. 24, 2003, 02:33 PM
Dutch WB/ TB. You can find her full pedigree by entering her name HERE: allbreed pedigree database (http://www.pedigreequery.com/allbreed/)

NinaL aka Chrissy
Oct. 24, 2003, 02:42 PM
Yah, and Bavaria was by a warmblood stallion (IIRC, he was a Hannoverian) and out of a TB mare so that was what I was alluding to by the warmblood mare comment. A full brother did stand on the West Coast - can't recall his name but I think it there was a George in it somewhere.

Bavaria was the queen of both the working and the regular conf. divisions just like Rox Dene. But when she did those divisions the dark bay or brown TB gelding was still very much the status quo in those divisions so she was "bucking the trend" especially considering she was one of those dreaded chestnut mares.

Even when Rox Dene showed the dark bay or brown TB gelding was still the "king" of the reg. conf. division. I can definitely say the white, warmblood mare stood out especially in the model.

But, a warmblood is a warmblood is a warmblood even if mom is a TB. At least in my world http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

Nina

CBoylen
Oct. 24, 2003, 02:44 PM
Here you go a/ohunter, I've made a webshots album with the Rox Dene pics, and the pics of my current horses. I'll add the rest of my photos there too as soon as I get time. But they tell me there's no user limits here, so hopefully this will make it easier for you http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif WEBSHOTS (http://community.webshots.com/user/anallie)

HN73
Oct. 24, 2003, 02:53 PM
So, I have one minor itsy bitsy claim to fame.

I once went on a trail ride with Rox Dene's mom!

Rox Dene was a once in a lifetime horse. I'm certainly glad she was around during my lifetime!

**Before you can be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid.**

Nickelodian
Oct. 24, 2003, 02:59 PM
My mistake...I apologize http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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I survived!

hasahorse
Oct. 24, 2003, 03:13 PM
Wow - just looked at the photo album. How beautiful! Now, here is my stupid question of the day. Could someone give me the pronunciation of Rox Dene? I know, it's stupid, but I was not lucky enough to see her while she was actively showing and I would prefer not to sound like a moron if her name ever comes up in casual conversation.
Wow, that kind of rambled.
Thanks.

"I'm back in the saddle again" Gene Autry

Halfhalting
Oct. 24, 2003, 03:14 PM
C. Boylen,
Is Rox Dene's filly Allie? Who is the sire of Rocky? Can I say an honest opinion without being flamed??? I think Rocky is very very nice, but not like his mom. Have you tried another stallion with better success at improving mom (is that even possible? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) I hope I am not offending, just curious, maybe incorrect, but wanting to learn some of your breeding tactics. Thanks!

CBoylen
Oct. 24, 2003, 03:55 PM
Nope, Allie is my amateur hunter. Rox Dene's filly, Roxy, is just two years old, and I don't have any recent pics of her. I'm adding some foal pics of her tonight though http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Give Rocky a chance, he may not look like his mom yet, but keep in mind he is only four, and just started showing 3 ft in July! If you see him in person you can see a lot of resemblence to the mare.
Unfortunately, breeding horses is a gamble, not an exact science. We'd consider it a miracle if we produced something even close to Rox Dene, let alone reproduced or improved her. Rocky and Roxy are both by Loyal Pal, and we have tried other stallions but have not had the best of luck producing more foals.
Hasahorse- Thank you http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif and it's pronounced "rocks deen" Don't feel stupid, I can't tell you how many horse's names I've pronounced wrong http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Halfhalting
Oct. 24, 2003, 04:24 PM
Ohmygod, just think how stressful it is to think of breeding a normal mare, let alone picking a boyfriend for Rox Dene! We can dream though can't we?... Maybe AFR to keep her refinement, or a good Trakehner? Oh, this could be a whole different thread!

Anyway, I love Allie.. she's looks wonderful! And I know Rocky is already super nice! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif He has some BIGGG shoes to fill though! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm looking forward to seeing your 2yo filly!

CBoylen
Oct. 24, 2003, 04:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Halfhalting:
or a good Trakehner <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

AHHHHH bite your tongue!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Anyway, I love Allie.. she's looks wonderful! And I know Rocky is already super nice! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif He has some BIGGG shoes to fill though! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I'm looking forward to seeing your 2yo filly!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thank you very much http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif There are foal pics of the filly in Rox Dene's album on webshots now, but you'll have to wait for more recent photos until I can get over to see her with a camera.

harvestmoon
Oct. 24, 2003, 07:42 PM
C.Boylen - thank you for sharing your photos! I love that weanling picture of Rox Dene. Such a cutey! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

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Hexel
Oct. 25, 2003, 12:10 AM
If the Aristos B comes out in Rox Denes foals I may be wrong, but some of them seem to take longer to finish growing and have a few awkward stages to get through. But then they blossom. My mare by him really popped a wither and leveled up this yr. as a 7 yo. I really miss her. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

All points
Oct. 25, 2003, 08:09 AM
C.Boylen thank you for sharing your time and photos of Rox Dene, and her foals. I remember cutting school to go see her compete at Harrisburg. She is the Ultimate Hunter.

SaudiHunter
Oct. 25, 2003, 09:58 AM
Many thanks to all who've shared on this thread. I've really enjoyed reading it. Indeed she is an amazing mare! I also was lucky enough to live close to the Solters when they were in Upperco. I learned a lot from Elizabeth's sister, Kristin, and from their mom.

"And now my life is just as good as an Abba song"
-Muriel's Wedding

MellowM
Oct. 25, 2003, 11:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D@!$y:
C.Boylen thanks for your patients and answering all our questions. I have one more for you. I seem to remember a Rox Don(sp?)? Am I making that up? What was his future? Where is he now?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

See page 2

ClemsonGraduateRider
Oct. 25, 2003, 12:20 PM
Chanda - does Rox Dene still live in the field with Annie, the fuzz monster pony?? That was such a cute pair in the field, if you could get annie not to be mean!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I went to college with RodeoGirl (J.B) and visited the farm in SP with her, just so you don't think I'm a stalker http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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"We learn from history that we do not learn from history." ~ George Bernard Shaw

CBoylen
Oct. 25, 2003, 12:24 PM
Rox Dene goes out with Parminch's other broodmare, but doesn't actually live out. I think the pony was going out with Roxy while she was still there.

http://community.webshots.com/user/anallie

Silk
Oct. 25, 2003, 03:45 PM
So is Rox Don a full brother to Rox Dene? Are there other full siblings?

**&gt;&gt;It's not bragging if you can back it up!&lt;&lt;**

CBoylen
Oct. 25, 2003, 03:52 PM
Rox Don is a full brother. There was one more full sibling, a mare, whose name I can't remember. James Lala had her briefly. She was bay, and did not resemble the other two at all (who were often mistaken for one another early on), or show anywhere near as much talent as either one. Genetics are funny thing.

http://community.webshots.com/user/anallie

tuffenuff
Oct. 25, 2003, 07:19 PM
I must say that when she walked in the ring at say Washington her presence was what automatically caught you.As she stepped into the canter she stroked the ground ,not a daisy cutter by any means but a rhythmn to die for !When she jumped around the grounds were silent you could hear a pin drop!Yes she was great but like anything or anyone with greatness ,she did have off days but folks not many.If you never saw her go you really did miss something .

AHorseSomeDay
Oct. 25, 2003, 09:21 PM
What happened to Rox Don? Isn't that her half brother or something? I remember reading a few years ago, he was for sale? Does he still get shown?

MellowM
Oct. 25, 2003, 10:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SR27:
What happened to Rox Don? Isn't that her half brother or something? I remember reading a few years ago, he was for sale? Does he still get shown?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

See page 2

Velvet
Oct. 27, 2003, 09:04 AM
Was she a scopey mover? Meaning, did she have a really free shoulder and natural suspension like a dressage horse? Or was she the slightly flatter (by comparison) mover when on the flat?

I'm wondering if there is some sort of a connection that and good jumpers.

I can only conclude that I'm paying off karma at a vastly accelerated rate.

CBoylen
Oct. 27, 2003, 09:14 AM
She often won the hack, and was always in the top of it, so I think her movement is probably 'flater' than you, as a dressage expert, picture. However, her trot wasn't the exagerated daisy-cutting movement that you see on a lot of hack winning hunters; it was her canter that made her stand out. She has a rolling, long slow canter, with not much break at the knee, and not 'high' behind, that you don't see in too many horses.

http://community.webshots.com/user/anallie

Velvet
Oct. 27, 2003, 10:24 AM
I can't view a webshots site from work (I'll have to do it when I get home). Are there flat pictures of her out there too?

I can only conclude that I'm paying off karma at a vastly accelerated rate.

CBoylen
Oct. 27, 2003, 10:29 AM
Nope, I don't have, nor have I ever even seen any pics of her just flatting. You have a good point, that would be nice to have http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Parminch, get your camera out and go chase her around the paddock, she's still got the canter http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://community.webshots.com/user/anallie

MHM
Oct. 27, 2003, 10:36 AM
That reminds me of the time I saw Rox Dene lead the victory gallop after a big class (at WIHS, maybe?)- just seeing her canter around the ring, you knew why she was at the head of the pack. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I believe there was a girl singing "There's No Business Like Show Business" as they took their victory lap- that was so great!

Parminch
Oct. 27, 2003, 12:18 PM
C.Boylen do you want the bucking and rearing too or just the canter???? lol!
I will say that both of the babies got that beautiful, rhythmic canter from their mom. Even as babies when they cantered around and following the hay wagon out they would canter so slow and balanced and still sweeping along. It is amazing to watch.

~Pine Meadow Farm~

jackie
Oct. 27, 2003, 01:50 PM
I take it you don't like trakehners ... (try to keep an open mind... a lot of thoroughbred being mixed in that book with an added push to produce hunter and jumpers.)

Anyway--Good luck getting more great babies on the ground from your wonderful mare -if she turns out to be a superstar producer like she was a hunter --it wont matter much who the dad is!

Parminch
Oct. 27, 2003, 02:48 PM
Jackie, If I said anything that made you think I do not like Trakehners...I did not mean to. ... I was joking with C.Boylen about Rox Dene running around the other day like a three year old bucking and rearing (for rather long periods of time) the other day when I took my husband's grandchildren out for a ride on the little pony mare that Rox Dene feels very possessive of... that is all I was talking about.
The canter that Rox Dene has and the babies seem to have inherited is the BEST to watch...It is amazing to see how slow and rhythmic it is....And she may have gotten that from Aristos B!
I will say that in my breeding experiences (which are not huge)....We bought most of ours as weanlings....I do feel like the mare is the most important part if breeding. My husband has bought 8 out of the same mare, all by different stallions, and all of them have been very very nice show horses!
Did not mean to offend anyone with my offhanded humor...sorry if I did.

~Pine Meadow Farm~

CBoylen
Oct. 27, 2003, 03:01 PM
Don't worry Parker, it was me that made the Trakehner comment.
I don't have anything against them as horses; I just haven't seen any good Trakehner hunters other than Hollywood. My mother has a VERY strong opinion on Trakehners however, which is what led to my comment. If I suggested a Trakehner to her I might find myself out of a job http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
And thank you Jackie, for your comments http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://community.webshots.com/user/anallie

Parminch
Oct. 27, 2003, 03:20 PM
Well for Petes Sake do not do anything to get you out of a job!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who is going to ride these babies we are trying to produce if you do that????

~Pine Meadow Farm~

Halfhalting
Oct. 27, 2003, 04:54 PM
And hey C.B.! Everybody is entitled to their opinions.. but we don't all have to agree! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

But they are your mares, and you breed them to a stallion that you like! The rest of us are just talking fluff to make us smile! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif We can all dream, can't we?

(and by the way, I have never bred a TK either, I go for the Dutch, Hanoverians, and Oldenburgs myself! But I can appreciate a great TK as much as any other great horse! I owned a TK/QH mare once that was absolutely wonderful, and the ONLY horse my husband has ever been attached too! She was really cool! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

Galileo1998
Oct. 27, 2003, 05:45 PM
I don't want this to be a Trakehner thread, as I enjoy reading about Rox Dene as well, but the stallion Storyteller is also a Trakehner and I think he is #1 in North America in the Amateur Owner Hunter Division, so I think he's pretty good http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

CBoylen
Oct. 27, 2003, 05:47 PM
Ah, thank you for correcting me Galileo, Robin is a friend of mine, and I'm embarrassed to have forgotten her horse.

http://community.webshots.com/user/anallie

Galileo1998
Oct. 27, 2003, 06:01 PM
C. Boylen - no need to be embarrassed http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'm just very good at remembering details of the good ones that are born in Ontario http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DarkerHorse
Oct. 27, 2003, 07:22 PM
I feel like asking C.Boylen where do babies come from. She has all the answers :P LOL

CBoylen
Oct. 27, 2003, 07:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Darkerhorse:
I feel like asking C.Boylen where do babies come from. She has all the answers :P LOL<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unfortunately, not very often from Rox Dene http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif

http://community.webshots.com/user/anallie

JackieBlue
Oct. 27, 2003, 08:01 PM
Well, I can't help piping in just a bit since Rox Dene's daddy lives/stands at our farm and I love on him and a whole herd of his babies daily. Having ridden many of his kids and known many more on a daily basis I have to say that Aristos B is an incredible stallion and possibly a tad underappreciated. "That canter" is one of his trademarks, stamped onto many foals along with the gorgeous conformation, square-kneed jump and loving personality. He is truly "somethin' else" to see and to know in person. I've been tempted to put together an article about his life and his progeny. He's 21 this year and has produced an unGodly number of foals with a ridiculous number of those achieving top rankings in their disciplines. He's sired hunters, of course, but also eventers, dressage horses, jumpers...
Can you tell I'm a little sweet on him? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Anyway, I'm sure that if someone such as myself were to compile the statistics regarding Aristos' offspring and their show records the information would be staggering.
Rox Dene is definitely the golden apple, but a whole lot of great ones have fallen from that tree.

pwynnnorman
Oct. 28, 2003, 04:40 AM
I haven't read all the posts here yet, but I wanted to add (before going out to feed) that--even though I am critical of some things in hunterdom--there's just nothing like the beauty of a horse flawlessly going around a big, beautiful, challening course.

And, for the sake of the sport, it is such a damn SHAME that such things aren't recorded for posterity!

Hunter people: MAKE SOME VIDEOS of the greats, puleeeeeze!!!!! Oh, gosh, how they deserve it! How the sport deserves to have their greatness PRESERVED. How we who weren't able to see them in the flesh would cherish being able to see what others saw and UNDERSTAND, once and for all, the epitome of the sport.

I'm serious. It is really such a shame that the structure of the sport is such that, in the end and unlike other sports, no one thinks to "share" greatness by recording it so that everyone can experience it, even if only secondhand.

Sportponies Unlimited
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ladydoctor
Oct. 28, 2003, 08:07 AM
Too bad they don't televise hunter classes! I guess they have enough trouble finding audiences for the big Grand Prix classes judging by how few there are on TV nowadays. I used to really look forward to watching all the classes from Spruce Meadows. What happened to them??? I wrote OLN saying how much I missed them....

pwynnnorman
Oct. 28, 2003, 10:18 AM
Yeah, ladydoctor, but what I don't get is if folks think to market the heck out of that Buck B--whatisname/GM/Rodney Jenkins (er, uh, or whoever else it was who did that clinic up near Buffalo a few years ago), why doesn't someone come up with a video of the hunter greats...hunters are soooo popular, I'm SURE it would get good reception, if not better reception than that clinic tape.

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CBoylen
Oct. 28, 2003, 02:47 PM
Well; I'm going to try to put one of Rox Dene together, since this isn't the first time someone has asked. I think it's a big undertaking though, because as far as I can tell I'm going to have to get the permission of at least three different video companies, AND find one that will put together a decent tape, AND pick out the trips I want on it, not to mention finding them. So, I'm starting by locating the actual tapes from the video companies archives, since we don't have many (a well known hunter organization "borrowed" my mother's favorite and has yet to return it about six years later http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ), and I'll see about putting it together during FL. I'll keep you all updated as to the progress http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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ladydoctor
Oct. 28, 2003, 07:13 PM
Great idea, Chanda, and thanks for putting forth all the effort required!

I am going to try to visit the Great One when I am in Southern Pines for the holidays. I can't wait to see her in person. Maybe she can give some pointers to my gray mare http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Nickelodian
Oct. 28, 2003, 07:23 PM
I'd buy a tape of her if one was available, you might drum up enough business to make it worth the effort.

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libgrrl
Oct. 28, 2003, 08:05 PM
I've always wanted to see her "in motion." Count me in!

Plumcreek
Oct. 28, 2003, 11:05 PM
C. Boylen,
Being from the West, I never got to see Rox Dene. I would have loved to. I have a video of Gem Twist that was made by his owner, using lots of different footage from green hunters to Olympics. Would it be possible to do the same for Rox Dene? You mentioned that Elizabeth Solter's mother maybe has some video. I, for one, would be thrilled to be able to purchase a Rox Dene video.

Paris
Oct. 29, 2003, 08:57 AM
I have a tape of an old grand prix in florida that was on ESPN, and on it they show one hunter round by Rox Dene. I've saved that tape for years, just because of that round. I would definitely purchase a tape of her!

Nickelodian
Oct. 29, 2003, 09:02 AM
Camille -- I'll pay in tack cleaning or boot polishing...or something if you'll show it to me sometime!

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EStieg12
Oct. 29, 2003, 11:07 AM
C.B - Thanks for putting up with all of us hounding you all the time! Thanks for the pictures also!

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pwynnnorman
Oct. 29, 2003, 11:18 AM
Yes, sincerely, thank you, C.Boylen.

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Paris
Oct. 29, 2003, 11:33 AM
No problem Nick. I'll show it to you anytime. pretty incredible.

CBoylen
Oct. 29, 2003, 11:43 AM
Oh, you guys are quite welcome. I don't mind at all, and I appreciate everything everyone has to say. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Plumcreek, my problem is that all of the rounds I would be using would be professional video, and much of it by different companies. Mrs. Solter was good about purchasing such video, and I will check with her family to see who has inherited her tapes, as well as checking to see what kind of archives the companies have. I know one company has tapes well back into the 90's, so I'm going to start there and then try to locate what's missing. My problem is I have no idea of what kind of copyright the videographers have on their rounds, and I'm hoping I can get all of them to cooperate, so that the tape has rounds from plenty of different venues, and from different years. One of the tapes I do have has some footage of Rodney and Rox Dene fighting over possession of a crop during a line up, and that is definitely something I want to include http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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2Traks
Oct. 30, 2003, 12:21 AM
Another great Trakehner hunter stallion is Donaufurst. Not only has he done quite well for himself in the hunters, but his daughter (my mare) was a two time national pre-green hunter champ until she retired to dressage at 5 years old.

AOHunter2002
Oct. 30, 2003, 01:13 AM
id for sure buy a tape of Rox Dene as im sure a TON of people would! Could be a great way to make some cash if its not too much of a pain to put it together (and it sounds like it is going to be a little bit stressful...)

I too wanted to thank you for putting up with all our questions!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif you're awesome!
Katie

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EStieg12
Oct. 30, 2003, 09:42 AM
I would buy a tapy of Rox Dene also! It would be great to see! Thanks CB for answering all our questions! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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millie moo
Nov. 18, 2003, 06:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by C.Boylen:
Rox Don is a full brother. There was one more full sibling, a mare, whose name I can't remember. James Lala had her briefly. She was bay, and did not resemble the other two at all (who were often mistaken for one another early on), or show anywhere near as much talent as either one. Genetics are funny thing.
I think her name was Roxette. I remember an amateur (Libby???) showing her years ago.
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CBoylen
Nov. 18, 2003, 03:21 PM
Millie,
Libby actually emailed me after this thread, and reminded me that the mare's name was Gabrielle. She didn't feel comfortable joining the conversation however. I believe she showed her in the amateurs for a while, but I'm not certain where she finally ended up. She'd be fifteen now I believe.

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PaisleyRioux
Nov. 20, 2003, 01:01 PM
"The place she was named after in Bermuda is all one word..."


A-ha! C. Boylen, I drove by the house a few months ago and noticed the sign along the driveway. "Hmmmm," I thought. "I wonder whether..." And now you have satisfied my curiosity! Neat!

vxf111
Nov. 25, 2003, 11:40 AM
C.Boylen, not to resurrect an old thread but I have a question that has been nagging at me.

Obviously, once she was well into her career, Rox Dene's jumping style was VERY consistent. But early on, when she was first learning, was her form less perfect. Did she *learn* to jump that way and improve? When she was very green, was she less tight? Or was she always perfect like that?

I'm wondering whether she was that rare type that just ALWAYS had the inherent ability and showed it, or whether she had the talent and developed into the individual she was.

Thanks

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CBoylen
Nov. 25, 2003, 04:53 PM
vx, when Rodney first saw her, he said "Can I see her jump?". The people replied, "Sure, but she's jumped about twice in her life". Rodney set a little crossrail, and told them that he understood, but just to try it. She jumped it once, he told them to stop. They tried to argue with him, and do it again. He said "no, stop, I've seen enough, I'm buying the horse, don't you dare jump one more fence" http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif He walked from there to the phone to call us. I think that answers your question http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The only thing she really had to learn was her lead changes, which actually took most of her pregreen year. Other than that, she only made infrequent baby mistakes. Rodney always said the only hard thing about training her was making sure not to screw her up http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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BAB
Nov. 25, 2003, 05:28 PM
I have to comment about Rox Dene - having been around this business for almost 50 years and having been a real student of hunters, I have had the privilege of seeing some of the best hunters of all time - Waiting Home, Witchcraft, Cold Climate, Journey Proud, Naute Mia, Little Sailor, and most of the current great jumping hunters - In Disguise, Strapless to name a couple. BUT, in my most humble opinion, I have never seen a hunter that jumped as well as Rox Dene in her best years. She was so elegant when she walked in the ring, walked to the far end, looked around, ears pricked, picked up that wonderful canter and jumped out of her skin. I have seen Strapless jump many times and she always is on when she is in the ring, but as to elegance and style, none matches the great Rox Dene. Elizabeth Solter rode her to perfection; she knew her quirks and still they were almost always the perfect pair. None now or in the past can compare to what Rox Dene did. She is to be admired and respected - and for me, she will always be the best. To not to have seen her jump is such a loss.

ladydoctor
Nov. 25, 2003, 05:59 PM
I'm one of the ones who has only seen pictures of Rox Dene so I am willing to pay BIG BUCKs for that video Chanda is working on (hint, hint http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif).

Hands Down
Nov. 25, 2003, 07:26 PM
I remember Martha Sifton talking about her. How Martha would go against Rox Dene and Elizabeth. lol great memories! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif I just remember Martha telling me all about her and stuff!

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Jinx
Nov. 25, 2003, 07:34 PM
my barn uses pictures of her to demonstrate what a horse should look like over a fence...and to hear my trainer tell stories of trying to show against her is actually purdy funny...i wish i had been old enough to pay attention when she was showing...but i wasnt to big into horses at the time...to bad but i would also be first in line to see a video of her rounds...i rode a full sister to the horse Justified and watched his round of three perfect scores and that was also a treat...showed me what to shoot for...not only on the horse end but seeing a talented rider showing to the best of their ability...

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